Poor Anna, I feel so bad for her. Talk about getting the short end of the stick. Torture-reprogrammed for years and then thrown back at Earth with a mission. And she was so lovely too.
She wasn't reprogrammed at all. She talked the angelic guards into freeing her so she could kill Sam. She always had a strong sense of self preservation and selfishness, even as a human. Her own desires and needs, not selflessness. She didn't understand what it meant to be human after all. Just losing a human sense of emotional empathy doesn't make you outright change as a person, you just lose insight.
Iluthra actually that is what a angel suppose to be. They holy warriors of God but their ultimate is to protect humans. Granted I never seen an angel or talked to one but I don't like how they are portrayed in supernatural.
Thats the thing with angels in this series, most see themselves as higher that them, when in fact they arent, a human's soul is stronger than an angel itself in this series.
@@TravellerTinker If you think about it, Anna was right. Think from an Angel's perspective. Sam will go to Heaven eventually anyway, whether he stops Lucifer or not. She was thinking of the larger picture.
i just loved the fact that dean told castiel about his talk with anna and the fact that he trusted him more than her . >>> i so adore cass in this scene , he is such a good friend
You know, I don't understand why some people are giving Cas so much hate for Anna's capture. I mean, sure he did turn her in, but no one seems to remember the fact that Castiel was literally ripped out of his vessel and tortured as well when he was going to help Dean in the Rapture, which is why he betrayed Sam, Dean, and even Anna in season 4, because he was hurt and afraid of his superiors. Castiel even says that no one gets out of Heaven's prison with out getting let out. How does he know that? Personal experience, because he was captured too. I mean, he was dragged back to Bible Camp as Dean says and then came back and said: "I learned my lesson while I was away..." that implies torture. And yet some people seem to forget that and only sympathize with Anna even though Heaven hurt Cas too.
+dannie lawman Sorry, but I don't agree with you. One thing I don't understand is how Anna was ever Castiel's superior. I know they mention it on the show, but from everything I have seen about the strength of the characters, Castiel is far stronger than Anna ever was. Plus, they never even MENTION her after her death as if she really had no influence on him at all. The idea of Anna knowing more tricks doesn't make any sense considering how much Castiel knows about his kind as is shown in other episodes in later seasons. Plus he has apparently replaced her, so even if there was a slim possibility she knew more, don't you think that since he was assuming command, they would have taught it all to him so he could be the best leader he could be? Personally, I believe Anna dug her own grave and Castiel can't be blamed for it. She chose to Fall, to abandon her family and hide rather than ACTUALLY doing something to stop what was going on. She took the coward's way out for her own selfish desires. It wasn't even like what Gabriel did where he couldn't stand the idea of watching his family kill each other. She Fell because she wanted to be free of her responsibilities. Also when have the angels managed to escape? Look at Gadreel; he was in jail for how long? And they can't use banishing sigils in Heaven, because the banishing sigils send them back to HEAVEN. And on top of it if she was acting on her own rather than under orders, that only makes me detest her in this episode even more. And she never really contributed to helping stop the apocalypse until she tried to kill Mary and John in this episode. All she did was try to influence Castiel into stopping in. She didn't want to get her hands dirty, so she manipulated her brother. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Cas went over to Sam and Dean's side, but the way Anna did it was wrong. She used him, knowing that he could easily have gotten dragged back to Heaven as he did for going against Heaven. It's karma that she was taken back too. She made a selfish decision to rip out her grace on purpose, it's not like it was stolen from her or anything, and she paid for it. Plus, another reason Castiel might have given her over could have been more than fear, but maybe even a bit of mind control that he wasn't aware of, like the mind control he underwent all throughout season eight, and according to Naomi, most of his life whenever he was given orders. I don't care what you say to me in Anna's defense, but I can't sympathize with her. I found her annoying in her first few episodes, starting thinking she was sort of cool after she became and angel again, and then hated her because of this episode.
Here is my two cents on this: -From a Season 8 perspective, the theory is Naomi (or if you don't see Season 8 as being canon any more, an anonymous force in Heaven) wanted to stop the Apocalypse but Michael didn't know it. -Thanks to the effect of torture both Castiel and probably Anna should be said to be acting under so much psychological duress they can't be blamed for their actions. -If the angels determined superiority based on fighting power, they never would have been willing to demote Castiel. Anna presumably had other skills Castiel didn't. Maybe Castiel has caught up in leadership skills too, but we can't know that because we never saw how Anna led. -We've seen Anna's perspective on this. Given the sort of things Heaven has actually done in the Supernatural series, I don't think they can be called just or right in any way. Her motives might have been selfish, but it is doubtful she can be said to have true moral responsibilities to such a group. -Selfish or not, Anna was right in what she said to Castiel to try and persuade him.
I think a lot of people forget how much of a jerk Cas was when he first got back from "Bible Camp." Whatever torture the angels use on each other seems to be a great motivator in the the "Don't care about anyone, anymore" department.
They explained it in season 8. It's straight up brain surgery. Here, the angel just talks to us. Upstairs, they're being poked at and being told what to say.
Tbh, both Anna and Cas wanted to save humanity, but Cas wanted to save everyone, including his friends, Anna didn't care that she'd still be ending someones life. They were both right in a way, but I obviously like Cas' way better... Hahahahaha
I Love Castiel. He is the real pwnage.. the last part, damn: Castiel: 'The answer's still no, beause Sam is my friend.' Anna: 'You've changed.' Castiel: 'Maybe to late, but I have.' Castiel: 'Anna, we've been through much together, but you come near Sam Winchester and I'll kill you.'
I love Castiel he is my favourite character as he is amazing he cares for the Winchester's and this is definitly one of the proofs that shows that as he said "the answer is still no sam is my freind" and "if you come near Sam Winchester ill kill you" and theres just so many reasons I could go on for ages but I wont
Well you know what they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I wouldn't say Anna is evil, she was just misguided. All she could see was stopping the end of the world, the little things didn't matter anymore in the big picture.
Every angel always threatens to scatter someone's cells across the universe, but no one hasn't done that yet. They gotta do it once during the final season.
cas: anna we've been through much 2gether. But u come near sam winchester and i'll kill u love tht line gets me everytime and cas showing his blade of course
Hmm, I think the ones to blame are the "superior angels" who exercise these punishments on disobedient members. They tried to drag both Anna and Castiel to their side, and the reason Anna died was because she felt too attached to Heaven's belief while Castiel had Dean or something to keep him from going against humanity. This is really just an opinion.
Actually Anna didn´t try to kill Sam bacause of heaven she did it because she wanted to save humanity, she loved the humanity and where more human than Castiel could ever be!
Even if Sam was taken out of picture, there still would have been a final showdown between Lucifer and Michael. I can understand Anna's plan and desperation but in the end it was short-sighted. It wouldn't have ended anything. Just prolonged the final showdown. The only real way it could end was if Michael and Lucifer were taken out of the picture.
This is funny because actually Sam is not the only vessel of Lucifer (I mean except the actual vessel Lucifer chooses and has for most of the show) and that Anna actually has another possible vessel of Lucifer in front of her eyes.
That was so stupid how they killed off Anna in this episode. Her going total bitchanator on the boys just didn't even fit with her characterization up to that point. One she, outside Cas, was one of the only angels that cared about them. Two ok I get the whole "desperate times" concept but if the writers were gonna go that route the least they could've done is have Anna's actress show more regret in her character's decision not acting like a friggin Terminator.
@ktoytolos she was never evil...she tried to help Sam and Dean to the best of her abilities in season 4 and in this episode it seemed like her plan or the angels plan were the only possible solutions. And she went with the plan that would have saved half the planet...How does that make her evil?
everyone in here just talk about Anna's plan!no one doesn't talk about how stupid her plan was?not to mention her perfect timeline!she wanted to kill Mary just when she was pregnant with Dean!(poor Dean!even inside his mother's stomach,he faced violence such as glass) in the end of the episode Mary talked with baby Dean and told him"angels are watching over you" Anna wanted to kill the guy who actually in the future saved her?she wanted to die in Castiel's hands?
Castiel was only able to find and attack her after she drew attention to herself by talking about hearing the apocalypse news over "angel radio", which wasn't active until Dean broke the first seal. If Dean were never to be born, she should have been able to live out her normal human life. Also her human family probably wouldn't have been attacked by demons, so that's a nice bonus.
@@ChristmasPterodactyl oh shut it! Angels already knew someone named her, existed. she had visions and angelic superhuman powers even before Dean came into her life and even if it wasn't apocalypse thing, she would've been recognized by angels one way or another
People that hate on Anna for going bad need to remember she was on Sam and Dean's side till she was tortured in Heaven. Also it was Castiel that tricked her and got her capture in the first place. Have to say season 5 Castiel is my favorite, back when he was bad ass and funny but not made to look stupid (s9 doesn't know how to brush his teeth >.>)
Does this make any sense? He doesn't want Anna to kill Sam because he's his friend, but he wanted Sam to throw himself into the pit to stop the apocalypse? What's better for Sam, dying and probably going to heaven or throwing himself in the pit and going to hell?
“No-one escapes.”??? I’m sorry, Cas, but after this you seem to spend your days being captured or killed by other angels and you always manage to escape at some point. So...???
i cant believe she turn bad after what they done for her!!! and what about castiel what happen to him??? he seem different right now after the 4th season sam is hid friend??? since when is he like that?!!! i miss the old cas from season 4
@KillaD15 Anna knew how close Sam and Dean were and how Dean would feel if Sam died and it was pretty obvious in a few episodes from S4 that she had feelings for Dean so that should've at least caused some kind of emotional reaction from either of them. Yet there was none. Her whole write off was unbelievably stupid and poorly written in my opinion. If they were gonna kill her off they should've made her more heroic like her dying while trying to save them or something.
I don't get it, was Anna acting independently of heaven or not? Because heaven clearly wanted the apocalypse to happen, and yet she "escaped" and most likely underwent Naomi's reprogramming.
Castiel sure knows how to make an entrance.
Poor Anna, I feel so bad for her. Talk about getting the short end of the stick. Torture-reprogrammed for years and then thrown back at Earth with a mission. And she was so lovely too.
That's female characters on Supernatural for you.
@@mhuh except for Jody
She wasn't reprogrammed at all. She talked the angelic guards into freeing her so she could kill Sam. She always had a strong sense of self preservation and selfishness, even as a human. Her own desires and needs, not selflessness. She didn't understand what it meant to be human after all. Just losing a human sense of emotional empathy doesn't make you outright change as a person, you just lose insight.
Cass: ''Sorry Anna..but my blade is bigger than yours.''
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Love how Cas, when having to choose between his own sister and Sam Winchester, who is his friend, he chose the lowly human.
Iluthra actually that is what a angel suppose to be. They holy warriors of God but their ultimate is to protect humans. Granted I never seen an angel or talked to one but I don't like how they are portrayed in supernatural.
lol I love how they are portrayed to be assholes
Thats the thing with angels in this series, most see themselves as higher that them, when in fact they arent, a human's soul is stronger than an angel itself in this series.
@@TravellerTinker If you think about it, Anna was right. Think from an Angel's perspective. Sam will go to Heaven eventually anyway, whether he stops Lucifer or not. She was thinking of the larger picture.
i just loved the fact that dean told castiel about his talk with anna and the fact that he trusted him more than her . >>> i so adore cass in this scene , he is such a good friend
You know, I don't understand why some people are giving Cas so much hate for Anna's capture. I mean, sure he did turn her in, but no one seems to remember the fact that Castiel was literally ripped out of his vessel and tortured as well when he was going to help Dean in the Rapture, which is why he betrayed Sam, Dean, and even Anna in season 4, because he was hurt and afraid of his superiors. Castiel even says that no one gets out of Heaven's prison with out getting let out. How does he know that? Personal experience, because he was captured too. I mean, he was dragged back to Bible Camp as Dean says and then came back and said: "I learned my lesson while I was away..." that implies torture. And yet some people seem to forget that and only sympathize with Anna even though Heaven hurt Cas too.
+dannie lawman Sorry, but I don't agree with you. One thing I don't understand is how Anna was ever Castiel's superior. I know they mention it on the show, but from everything I have seen about the strength of the characters, Castiel is far stronger than Anna ever was. Plus, they never even MENTION her after her death as if she really had no influence on him at all. The idea of Anna knowing more tricks doesn't make any sense considering how much Castiel knows about his kind as is shown in other episodes in later seasons. Plus he has apparently replaced her, so even if there was a slim possibility she knew more, don't you think that since he was assuming command, they would have taught it all to him so he could be the best leader he could be? Personally, I believe Anna dug her own grave and Castiel can't be blamed for it. She chose to Fall, to abandon her family and hide rather than ACTUALLY doing something to stop what was going on. She took the coward's way out for her own selfish desires. It wasn't even like what Gabriel did where he couldn't stand the idea of watching his family kill each other. She Fell because she wanted to be free of her responsibilities. Also when have the angels managed to escape? Look at Gadreel; he was in jail for how long? And they can't use banishing sigils in Heaven, because the banishing sigils send them back to HEAVEN. And on top of it if she was acting on her own rather than under orders, that only makes me detest her in this episode even more. And she never really contributed to helping stop the apocalypse until she tried to kill Mary and John in this episode. All she did was try to influence Castiel into stopping in. She didn't want to get her hands dirty, so she manipulated her brother. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Cas went over to Sam and Dean's side, but the way Anna did it was wrong. She used him, knowing that he could easily have gotten dragged back to Heaven as he did for going against Heaven. It's karma that she was taken back too. She made a selfish decision to rip out her grace on purpose, it's not like it was stolen from her or anything, and she paid for it. Plus, another reason Castiel might have given her over could have been more than fear, but maybe even a bit of mind control that he wasn't aware of, like the mind control he underwent all throughout season eight, and according to Naomi, most of his life whenever he was given orders. I don't care what you say to me in Anna's defense, but I can't sympathize with her. I found her annoying in her first few episodes, starting thinking she was sort of cool after she became and angel again, and then hated her because of this episode.
Here is my two cents on this:
-From a Season 8 perspective, the theory is Naomi (or if you don't see Season 8 as being canon any more, an anonymous force in Heaven) wanted to stop the Apocalypse but Michael didn't know it.
-Thanks to the effect of torture both Castiel and probably Anna should be said to be acting under so much psychological duress they can't be blamed for their actions.
-If the angels determined superiority based on fighting power, they never would have been willing to demote Castiel. Anna presumably had other skills Castiel didn't. Maybe Castiel has caught up in leadership skills too, but we can't know that because we never saw how Anna led.
-We've seen Anna's perspective on this. Given the sort of things Heaven has actually done in the Supernatural series, I don't think they can be called just or right in any way. Her motives might have been selfish, but it is doubtful she can be said to have true moral responsibilities to such a group.
-Selfish or not, Anna was right in what she said to Castiel to try and persuade him.
I think a lot of people forget how much of a jerk Cas was when he first got back from "Bible Camp." Whatever torture the angels use on each other seems to be a great motivator in the the "Don't care about anyone, anymore" department.
Maybe it’s literal mind wiping. I mean they are angels, I’m sure they can do pretty much anything.
They explained it in season 8. It's straight up brain surgery. Here, the angel just talks to us. Upstairs, they're being poked at and being told what to say.
I agree! Cas is basically the only angel following the protect and serve humanity rule.
Tbh, both Anna and Cas wanted to save humanity, but Cas wanted to save everyone, including his friends, Anna didn't care that she'd still be ending someones life. They were both right in a way, but I obviously like Cas' way better... Hahahahaha
@@Dazzlefae wdym? So many more people died because Castiel wanted Dean and Sam to live.
I Love Castiel.
He is the real pwnage.. the last part, damn:
Castiel: 'The answer's still no, beause Sam is my friend.'
Anna: 'You've changed.'
Castiel: 'Maybe to late, but I have.'
Castiel: 'Anna, we've been through much together, but you come near Sam Winchester and I'll kill you.'
Julie McNiven who portrayed Anna Milton was so fine in this series.
hell yeah
Only in this series?
I miss this Cas, good thing he's apparently comming back
I love Castiel he is my favourite character as he is amazing he cares for the Winchester's and this is definitly one of the proofs that shows that as he said "the answer is still no sam is my freind" and "if you come near Sam Winchester ill kill you" and theres just so many reasons I could go on for ages but I wont
Well you know what they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I wouldn't say Anna is evil, she was just misguided. All she could see was stopping the end of the world, the little things didn't matter anymore in the big picture.
Every angel always threatens to scatter someone's cells across the universe, but no one hasn't done that yet. They gotta do it once during the final season.
The Black Kakashi Billie might do that to Sam and Dean so she can like finally relax. 😂
cas: anna we've been through much 2gether. But u come near sam winchester and i'll kill u
love tht line gets me everytime and cas showing his blade of course
Hmm, I think the ones to blame are the "superior angels" who exercise these punishments on disobedient members. They tried to drag both Anna and Castiel to their side, and the reason Anna died was because she felt too attached to Heaven's belief while Castiel had Dean or something to keep him from going against humanity. This is really just an opinion.
It's a good opinion
Actually Anna didn´t try to kill Sam bacause of heaven she did it because she wanted to save humanity, she loved the humanity and where more human than Castiel could ever be!
Personally I always wondered if Anna got her head screwed by Naomi in heaven and she was just used as a pawn so Dean and Michael could finally talk.
Shes the reason i have a thing for redheads
Even if Sam was taken out of picture, there still would have been a final showdown between Lucifer and Michael. I can understand Anna's plan and desperation but in the end it was short-sighted. It wouldn't have ended anything. Just prolonged the final showdown. The only real way it could end was if Michael and Lucifer were taken out of the picture.
@TheBurningWolf She wasn't evil, she was just trying to save the world in a more logical way, but not the nicest one.
Cas sure does love exploding lamps
Cause he's a badass!
Same here! I have, like, three different AU plots for how Anna never turned evil, busted out of Heaven, and is currently fighting the good fight.
i know anna tried to kill sam, and john and mary but i think people forget that she only did that because she thought it would save the world.
and being brainwashed and tortured would mess with the way she thinks. She deserved better than what the show gave her
"Because Sam is my friend"🥺
Castiel is an Archangel and a good guy xxxx love him and he's badass
seraphim actually
She really looks like Jessica Chastain.
After watching this ep I feel sorry for Anna, she only want evil/bad because she was tortured in heaven.
Because were friends. And if you come near Sam Winchester... Ill KILL YOU!
damn epic af dialog.
So, as we learned from Apocalypse world, Sam is not only vessel, who matters
Yes he still is
Eh anything after season 5 is non-canon.
This is funny because actually Sam is not the only vessel of Lucifer (I mean except the actual vessel Lucifer chooses and has for most of the show) and that Anna actually has another possible vessel of Lucifer in front of her eyes.
That was so stupid how they killed off Anna in this episode. Her going total bitchanator on the boys just didn't even fit with her characterization up to that point. One she, outside Cas, was one of the only angels that cared about them. Two ok I get the whole "desperate times" concept but if the writers were gonna go that route the least they could've done is have Anna's actress show more regret in her character's decision not acting like a friggin Terminator.
I still don't agree, anyway Anna is still the best female angel...
@ktoytolos
she was never evil...she tried to help Sam and Dean to the best of her abilities in season 4 and in this episode it seemed like her plan or the angels plan were the only possible solutions. And she went with the plan that would have saved half the planet...How does that make her evil?
“Sam is the only vessel that matters”
Yet Nick became his permanent vessel all the way to the last episode. Weird lol
everyone in here just talk about Anna's plan!no one doesn't talk about how stupid her plan was?not to mention her perfect timeline!she wanted to kill Mary just when she was pregnant with Dean!(poor Dean!even inside his mother's stomach,he faced violence such as glass) in the end of the episode Mary talked with baby Dean and told him"angels are watching over you" Anna wanted to kill the guy who actually in the future saved her?she wanted to die in Castiel's hands?
Castiel was only able to find and attack her after she drew attention to herself by talking about hearing the apocalypse news over "angel radio", which wasn't active until Dean broke the first seal. If Dean were never to be born, she should have been able to live out her normal human life. Also her human family probably wouldn't have been attacked by demons, so that's a nice bonus.
@@ChristmasPterodactyl oh shut it! Angels already knew someone named her, existed. she had visions and angelic superhuman powers even before Dean came into her life and even if it wasn't apocalypse thing, she would've been recognized by angels one way or another
People that hate on Anna for going bad need to remember she was on Sam and Dean's side till she was tortured in Heaven. Also it was Castiel that tricked her and got her capture in the first place.
Have to say season 5 Castiel is my favorite, back when he was bad ass and funny but not made to look stupid (s9 doesn't know how to brush his teeth >.>)
+Bill Russel and being tortured in hell is probably much worse
+MrYrualive he probably do that in heaven, but he wouldn't betray his brother in the real world
The Angels are cowards and selfish bastards, they wanna do what they want whether it is right or wrong.
wow, when did cas feel so strongly about sam?
I literally forgot Cas cared about Sam until this scene
@TheBurningWolf Anna wasn't evil she believed that what she was doing would stop the armaggedon.
lol first time i realized they made a mistake. they said sam would bring sam back to life
They said Satan...
@@Dazzlefae Correct
It made me sad that Anna was all evil and stuff. But Castiel whipin out his blade was awesome
I love Castiel and I trusted him and I'm so glad he did what was right and the fact he cares for Sam Is so clear in this scene and i hate her
Does this make any sense? He doesn't want Anna to kill Sam because he's his friend, but he wanted Sam to throw himself into the pit to stop the apocalypse? What's better for Sam, dying and probably going to heaven or throwing himself in the pit and going to hell?
The Burger King pwns the beatch!
Back in these seasons regular angels could bring people back from the dead but they eventually changed it to only archangels. Does anyone know why?
@TheBurningWolf anna wasn't evil its not like she wanted to kill sam she just wanted to stop lucifer's rage
shes HOT
Injustiçados, queria ter visto mais dessa relação deles ela parecia uma irmã mais velha, o povo odeia ela por causa de ship ;-;
“No-one escapes.”??? I’m sorry, Cas, but after this you seem to spend your days being captured or killed by other angels and you always manage to escape at some point. So...???
i cant believe she turn bad after what they done for her!!! and what about castiel what happen to him??? he seem different right now after the 4th season sam is hid friend??? since when is he like that?!!! i miss the old cas from season 4
@KillaD15 Anna knew how close Sam and Dean were and how Dean would feel if Sam died and it was pretty obvious in a few episodes from S4 that she had feelings for Dean so that should've at least caused some kind of emotional reaction from either of them. Yet there was none. Her whole write off was unbelievably stupid and poorly written in my opinion. If they were gonna kill her off they should've made her more heroic like her dying while trying to save them or something.
@jjs1300000 He's not an Archangel! He's just an angel!
The sexual tension these two had was amazing
And the fact they ruined it to queer bait the destiel psychos is pathetic
I don't get it, was Anna acting independently of heaven or not? Because heaven clearly wanted the apocalypse to happen, and yet she "escaped" and most likely underwent Naomi's reprogramming.
Apple Chip i honestly think that this was some ploy of Michael to get Dean to say yes to him. But Anna didn’t know.
@eleanor7 always has
i don't like the evil anna i like the nice anna.
Uugghh Anna annoyed the ever living hell out of me.
sono io Anna
what episode was it that Cas let them take her back to heaven?
@mikey68680 he does
@iloveladygaga4ev Michael incinerated her
Castiel and lucifer are the same?
No are not the same person, why you you think that?lol