Back in '93, people in the Twin Cities aren't happy about the North Stars moving to Dallas to become a successor team, the Dallas Stars. Flash forward to 2000, when the Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets debuted and hockey fans in the Twin Cities and Columbus, OH were surprised and happy about new hockey teams.
attendance was so low because they jacked the ticket prices through the roof. my dad paid 150 bucks to sit lower bowl for him and his brother to sit lower bowl, and that was I think 1986.
B.S., Kim, you are wrong. Green was looking to sell the team after a rash of s.e.x.u.a.l. h.a.r.a.s.s.m.e.n.t. complaints. His wife, Kelly Green, wanted out. Norm Green was one arrogant SOB.
These fans clearly don't study the history of hockey all that much. Hockey has been in Dallas and Houston for that matter long before the North Stars relocated. Both Dallas and Houston have big league hockey in the NHL and AHL, both have half a dozen or more rinks, both have high school hockey leagues, and I could go on and on but you get the picture.
"The whole idea of a hockey team in Texas is ludicrous." Because hockey NEVER exsited in Texas before the Stars, right? *points at the Houston Aeros.* You know, that WHA team...Gordie Howe played for them at one time...btw, his is the only number retired by the Aeros. Of course, the incarnation now...ironicly...is the Wild's AHL affiliate.
I know this is kinda late but there was a hockey team in Dallas called the Dallas Texans in 1946...but the league cancelled because of the world war ll.
In my personal opinion this is the day golden age hockey died. After this season all the sun belt teams started to pop up and a lot of classic teams would relocate.
And now the NHL doesn't want to admit failure in some of these markets. Minnesota did eventually get a team back. Winnipeg got a team back after Atlanta failed for a second time. But QC deserves a team. And the NHL is willing to let the Coyotes play in a college arena that seats 5,000 in the hopes of a new arena deal, while Quebec City has an NHL-ready arena in the Videotron Centre.
@@EveryoneIsAnIdiotExceptForMe the 90’s was an overall great decade for the growth of the game, such as southern expansion. But at the end of the 92-93 season, the true golden age of hockey died with the division realignment and other things such as Minnesota moving.
Lazy fair weather fans were the real problem. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because attendance stunk. By the late 80s, the Grund brothers were ready to move the team to San Jose because attendance stunk, as the video showed. By the start of the last season, attendance was a problem again. Norm and the NHL had enough.
Watch the video again. Lots of empty seats at the Met. Attendance problems. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because of crappy attendance. Same problem in the mid late 80s as the video showed. Same problem again at the start of the last season in Minnesota. As one person said in the Sports Illustrated article on the North Stars moving to Texas "Why pay $20 to watch the North Stars lose, when you can pay $10 to watch the Gophers win?" Norm Green wasn't the problem. It was the fair weather fans of the Twin Cities who only showed up when teams were either play well or new. Blame also goes to the Metropolitan Sports Commission who swindled ownership of the Met from the original North Stars owners, who built it. They never lifted a finger to help the Gund Bros with renovations in the 80s. The Gunds went ahead and put a few suites in. They wouldn't help Norm Green with renovations. Norm spent $20 million of his own money renovating the Met. He tried making it work there.
I’m from Minnesota I never saw the North Stars play if I was on that North Stars team since I have a passion for Minnesota I would’ve requested to be traded
Norm was originally going to come back in Summer 1993 or 1994 for a vacation. It never came to fruition, he may not have made it back to Dallas or for that matter, even alive if he did that.
1. Attendance was down the last few years, yes, but it has not always been that way. During that time the stars didn't have an owner and were just getting by. It's hard to make the playoffs when you are scrapping the bottom of the salary cap. Speaking of which the Stars haven't made the playoffs in 4 years, we all know that if the team isn't playing well, not as many people will come out (you even said that about Minnesota).
@pomerlain8924 There was no local group willing to buy the team. At the end of the 89-90 season when it looked like the Gund Bros were going to move the team to San Jose, a poll was taken by the Star Tribune and Channel 5 News. 60% said they didn't care if the team left. Who would want to invest millions of dollars on a team that the majority said didn't care if the team left town? The Northstars were on life support as far as staying in Minnesota when Norm Green took over ownership in 1990. The NHL had to merge the North Stars and the Cleveland Barons because both teams were in danger of folding back in the late 70s. That's right the original local owners were planning on folding the team in the late 70s because attendance at games stunk. After the merger the Barons owners took over ownership of the North Stars. Thanks to the merger, Lou Nanne, an awful GM, was able to keep the best players from both teams and sell off the rest and the team was good for a few seasons, but he made things worse with bad drafts (choosing Brian Lawton instead of Steve Yzerman), bad trades (getting rid of Bobby Smith & Dino Ciccarelli), endless bad coaches being hired and fired, and the team began playing bad. With that attendance plummeted again and with no help from the Metropolitan Sports Commission on renovating the Met and no way off negotiating with different sponsors that what the T-Wolves had at the Target Center, the Gund brothers planned to move the team to San Jose. The NHL stepped in and basically de-merged the North Stars from the Gund Bros, giving them the San Jose market and keeping the North Stars in Minnesota. After Norm Green took over, attendance was still a problem at the Met. 4,000-6,000 attendance for most of the season. The team tried lots of promotion ideas to boost attendance. Most failed, but one that worked in the last half of the season was buy 2 season tickets for the remainder of that season and the next season and the team would give you 1 more free. Well the team got hot the 2nd half of the season and made it to the finals. The next season they fell flat on the face, barley making the playoffs and knocked out in the first round. Now at the start of their last season with that buy 2 season tickets get 1 free promo ended and the team not playing great, many of those fans either dropped the free ticket of dropped them all. With all that, the NHL and Norm had enough. The league let him move the team because of horrible attendance problems that plagued that team for decades.
@Pattycakeslikespie1 Problem with your comment is the following. The Houston Aeros were awarded to the city of Houston as an expansion team by the IHL in 1994 and began play in 95...that's 7 full seasons before we became Minnesota's " Farm Team ". WE averged over 12,000 a game at home in our first season in Houston. THen in our next 6 IHL seasons we got between 7,500 and 10,000 a game and that was IHL hockey. Texas is football country but there are many hockey fans here to!!!
Difference is that Minnesota still fills the arena. We sold out every home game in the first 10 years. And now even though they have been rebuilding for a couple years and missing the playoffs we still have a 98-99% attendance rate.
Seth Jones 3rd overall pick in the NHL draft is from Plano TX a suburb of Dallas if you just give hockey down here a chance you will see alot of people actually care alot about hockey but we get alot of hate because everyone just assumes we all hate hockey you need to give other people a chance to adapt to this great sport :)
So, in short, you are making a fallacy (hasty generalization) saying that the poor attendance of late is proof that attendance has always been low. 2. That's ridiculous, we haven't heard of college or highschool hockey? I played 4 years of highschool hockey, and I am going to play college in the fall. We have 44 teams in the highschool system, I know that's not close to Minnesota's numbers but for a metroplex that's only had hockey for 20 years it's incredible.
The bottom line is that we are in the early years of hockey in the DFW area, but we are growing and we love and support the game just as much as you do.
first L.A. takes our Lakers, then Dallas takes our Stars and now it seems like L.A. will once again take a team: the Vikings. I'm not a Vikings fan though so I can live without the Vikes and I'm sure all of Minnesota are over the Stars hangover but its still sad
Hobey* and yes he certainly was. But he didn't go to college in texas to play hockey did he? And guess who won the Hobey? Jack Connolly. From Duluth, MN. UMD and U. of Minnesota have 9 hobey's alone. One guy who got to the top 3 from a subpar college league does not mean texas is a hockey state now. I think they game needs to grow in southern states but not at the expense of other cities. And this argument is more about proving that texas as a whole has a long way to go in terms of hockey.
Yeah, where they ended up losing EIGHT TO NOTHING! You call that pretty close? At least in Dallas they knew how to win a game 6 in the Finals, along with a Stanley Cup!
@Texan2525 Ok. What about Green and Mcguire? I think Bettman would be #1 Because he's anti-american for expanding teams in the Sun Belt of the US where the Thrashers moved, Phoenix filed for bankruptcy in 2009, other struggling franchises. He moved Winnipeg and Quebec City down south, cancelled the whole 04-05 NHL Season. And the #1 Reason: He came from the NBA. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
She thinks it was ludicrous? Yet the stars still have 1 more cup. Guess it doesn't really matter because most players come from outside the United States so who cares if no schools play the sport consistantly in the Lone Star State. Probably because our lakes and ponds never freeze over.
Pre-lockout, Dallas was top 5 in attendance. In the last 15 years, the Oilers attendance has been higher twice. Last season, Dallas had higher attendance than 9 other teams including EDM and WPG. If Hicks hadn't destroyed the team after the WCF run in 08, they would have stayed competitive. Just like in Chicago, when mgmt made it clear that they were not going to spend a penny above cap floor to ice a team, fans quit giving their money to Hicks. Don't let the facts get in the way though.
That "ludicrous idea" resulted in the franchise's first Stanley Cup, something the North Stars never got close to achieving even when they made it to the Finals. Stars > North Stars.
Too bad he's right. Dallas has the second worst attendance in the league and I don't think and texans ever heard of high school or college hockey. The stars were moved there (against the leagues will) because norm greed wanted to be in a big market. Yeah attendance was down but that's because the stars were a shit team. And it wasn't like the attendance was so bad that they couldn't survive in Minnesota. norm just wanted out so his wife wouldn't leave him. Funny he sold the team after the move
You obviously didn't watch the video. The video even talks about the horrible attendance in the late 80s being a problem. That was before Norm bought the team. The video didn't mention that attendance was so bad in the late 70s that the original owners were planning on folding the North Stars. Twin Cities fans were fair weather fans. You lost the Lakers, you lost the North Stars, you almost lost the T-Wolves to New Orleans after only 5-6 seasons, & your Twins almost got contracted because a little independent team in St. Paul was drawing more fans.
Austin Smith was a finalist for the Hobbey Baker this year from Colgate, you know where he's from? Dallas. Stefan Noesen went 21st overal in the first round last year to Ottawa, you know where he's from? Plano. Please do some research before accusing someone. I really don't understand why you guys feel the need to belittle newer teams, don't you want our great game to grow? Don't you want to create better competition for the future? I do.
Yea, and the club continues to Bleed money, the only club that is doing worse from the business end is Phoenix. Still you could have at least had the common decency to change the team name so that when we did get a team back we wouldn't have to settle for perhaps the worst team name in all of professional sports "The Wild". The people who decided that name should be tarred, feathered and run out of the state... Minnesota nice be damned.
The early years? The Stars have been there for almost 20 years and the people of texas still know nothing about hockey. And that second comment literally made me laugh. When you get hundreds of thousands of people showing up for high school hockey games down there like we have had up here for decades, then I'll listen to you claim that you "love and support" the game of hockey. The love for the game in texas is nowhere near what it is in Minny nor will it ever be.
MyCrosbyfan, dont forget about john spano at # 4, jakey56569 texans dont give 2 shits about hockey, it was a sin that norm green pissed and moaned about a new arena and it is a sin that the stanley cup even went to Dallas, and Lucas Denault be thankful we still have the twins (even though they finished in last for the THIRD year in a row)
Also if you want to talk attendance, check out Minnesota's numbers before they moved. Less than 8000 per game the year that they lost the Finals. They were dead last by a long shot. Even Phoenix does better than that.
I love how those people said hockey in Texas is ludicrous we have become champions and with several division championships, a president trophy so so much more and many high schools down here in Dallas are blossoming with talent we have a guy who is from flower mound playing for The University of Michigan and myself im going to be playing at bemidji state this fall if you think hockey isn't successful down here then come down here and choke on it
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At one point Texas had more pro hockey teams than Canada.
A sad day in hockey history indeed ...
October 11 , 2000 the 7 year wait for a new team was over
@@michaelleroy9281 huh? Dallas Stars won the Cup in 1999. . . It was before 2000
@@jamedlock83 between 1993 when the North Stars left for Dallas and 2000 when the Wild began 7 years
Back in '93, people in the Twin Cities aren't happy about the North Stars moving to Dallas to become a successor team, the Dallas Stars. Flash forward to 2000, when the Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets debuted and hockey fans in the Twin Cities and Columbus, OH were surprised and happy about new hockey teams.
attendance was so low because they jacked the ticket prices through the roof. my dad paid 150 bucks to sit lower bowl for him and his brother to sit lower bowl, and that was I think 1986.
B.S., Kim, you are wrong. Green was looking to sell the team after a rash of s.e.x.u.a.l. h.a.r.a.s.s.m.e.n.t. complaints. His wife, Kelly Green, wanted out. Norm Green was one arrogant SOB.
You wrote "to sit lower bowl" twice.
These fans clearly don't study the history of hockey all that much. Hockey has been in Dallas and Houston for that matter long before the North Stars relocated. Both Dallas and Houston have big league hockey in the NHL and AHL, both have half a dozen or more rinks, both have high school hockey leagues, and I could go on and on but you get the picture.
Never understood how of all places Minnesota managed to lose their only professional hockey team.
It makes no sense to me.
"The whole idea of a hockey team in Texas is ludicrous." Because hockey NEVER exsited in Texas before the Stars, right? *points at the Houston Aeros.* You know, that WHA team...Gordie Howe played for them at one time...btw, his is the only number retired by the Aeros.
Of course, the incarnation now...ironicly...is the Wild's AHL affiliate.
After 27 years the Stars have done well in Dallas 1 Stanley Cup and 2 finals appearances and some division titles
Ironically, the Houston Aeros moved from Texas to Iowa to become the Iowa Wild in 2013.
I know this is kinda late but there was a hockey team in Dallas called the Dallas Texans in 1946...but the league cancelled because of the world war ll.
In my personal opinion this is the day golden age hockey died. After this season all the sun belt teams started to pop up and a lot of classic teams would relocate.
And now the NHL doesn't want to admit failure in some of these markets. Minnesota did eventually get a team back. Winnipeg got a team back after Atlanta failed for a second time. But QC deserves a team. And the NHL is willing to let the Coyotes play in a college arena that seats 5,000 in the hopes of a new arena deal, while Quebec City has an NHL-ready arena in the Videotron Centre.
IMO the 90s was the worst decade for hockey
@@EveryoneIsAnIdiotExceptForMe the 90’s was an overall great decade for the growth of the game, such as southern expansion. But at the end of the 92-93 season, the true golden age of hockey died with the division realignment and other things such as Minnesota moving.
'98 NHL Championship Belongs to Minnesota
That was 1999
On March 10 , 2023 it will be 30 years Normie announced they were moving to Dallas, Norm still sucks
Did the North Stars make the postseason in 1993?
@@ericlehman6841 No, missed the playoffs by one point , as Maxwell Smart used to say " missed it by that much!"
Lazy fair weather fans were the real problem. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because attendance stunk. By the late 80s, the Grund brothers were ready to move the team to San Jose because attendance stunk, as the video showed. By the start of the last season, attendance was a problem again. Norm and the NHL had enough.
You want to talk about passion and dedication, and you don't even know how to spell Modano? You can keep Clutterbuck.
Damn, 27 years ago now , Norm still sucks ???? Still Norm Greed ?????
Watch the video again. Lots of empty seats at the Met. Attendance problems. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because of crappy attendance. Same problem in the mid late 80s as the video showed. Same problem again at the start of the last season in Minnesota. As one person said in the Sports Illustrated article on the North Stars moving to Texas "Why pay $20 to watch the North Stars lose, when you can pay $10 to watch the Gophers win?"
Norm Green wasn't the problem. It was the fair weather fans of the Twin Cities who only showed up when teams were either play well or new.
Blame also goes to the Metropolitan Sports Commission who swindled ownership of the Met from the original North Stars owners, who built it. They never lifted a finger to help the Gund Bros with renovations in the 80s. The Gunds went ahead and put a few suites in. They wouldn't help Norm Green with renovations. Norm spent $20 million of his own money renovating the Met. He tried making it work there.
1999 Should've been a Minnesota Stanley Cup
I’m from Minnesota I never saw the North Stars play if I was on that North Stars team since I have a passion for Minnesota I would’ve requested to be traded
Norm was originally going to come back in Summer 1993 or 1994 for a vacation. It never came to fruition, he may not have made it back to Dallas or for that matter, even alive if he did that.
This is a TSN Video right?
1. Attendance was down the last few years, yes, but it has not always been that way. During that time the stars didn't have an owner and were just getting by. It's hard to make the playoffs when you are scrapping the bottom of the salary cap. Speaking of which the Stars haven't made the playoffs in 4 years, we all know that if the team isn't playing well, not as many people will come out (you even said that about Minnesota).
For example, the 1971- 72 and 1972-73 seasons there was hardly an empty seat in the building I guess times can change
I thought everything was bigger in texas? It's not that impressive considering the population of that state is exponentially higher than Minnesota's.
Didn't Norm Green sell the team after the first year in Dallas? Motivated guy wasn't he?
He sold the team in 1995- 96 season , which was really a slap in the face to Minn fans , take the money and run, and got out of hockey
@@michaelleroy9281 He should have been forced to sell in 93 to ownership that were committed to keeping the team in Minnesota.
It was actually three years. I think that there could've been a better arena built for him. I blame the counties that Minneapolis and St. Paul are in.
@pomerlain8924 There was no local group willing to buy the team. At the end of the 89-90 season when it looked like the Gund Bros were going to move the team to San Jose, a poll was taken by the Star Tribune and Channel 5 News. 60% said they didn't care if the team left. Who would want to invest millions of dollars on a team that the majority said didn't care if the team left town?
The Northstars were on life support as far as staying in Minnesota when Norm Green took over ownership in 1990.
The NHL had to merge the North Stars and the Cleveland Barons because both teams were in danger of folding back in the late 70s. That's right the original local owners were planning on folding the team in the late 70s because attendance at games stunk.
After the merger the Barons owners took over ownership of the North Stars. Thanks to the merger, Lou Nanne, an awful GM, was able to keep the best players from both teams and sell off the rest and the team was good for a few seasons, but he made things worse with bad drafts (choosing Brian Lawton instead of Steve Yzerman), bad trades (getting rid of Bobby Smith & Dino Ciccarelli), endless bad coaches being hired and fired, and the team began playing bad. With that attendance plummeted again and with no help from the Metropolitan Sports Commission on renovating the Met and no way off negotiating with different sponsors that what the T-Wolves had at the Target Center, the Gund brothers planned to move the team to San Jose.
The NHL stepped in and basically de-merged the North Stars from the Gund Bros, giving them the San Jose market and keeping the North Stars in Minnesota.
After Norm Green took over, attendance was still a problem at the Met. 4,000-6,000 attendance for most of the season. The team tried lots of promotion ideas to boost attendance. Most failed, but one that worked in the last half of the season was buy 2 season tickets for the remainder of that season and the next season and the team would give you 1 more free. Well the team got hot the 2nd half of the season and made it to the finals. The next season they fell flat on the face, barley making the playoffs and knocked out in the first round. Now at the start of their last season with that buy 2 season tickets get 1 free promo ended and the team not playing great, many of those fans either dropped the free ticket of dropped them all.
With all that, the NHL and Norm had enough. The league let him move the team because of horrible attendance problems that plagued that team for decades.
@Pattycakeslikespie1 Problem with your comment is the following. The Houston Aeros were awarded to the city of Houston as an expansion team by the IHL in 1994 and began play in 95...that's 7 full seasons before we became Minnesota's " Farm Team ". WE averged over 12,000 a game at home in our first season in Houston. THen in our next 6 IHL seasons we got between 7,500 and 10,000 a game and that was IHL hockey. Texas is football country but there are many hockey fans here to!!!
Difference is that Minnesota still fills the arena. We sold out every home game in the first 10 years. And now even though they have been rebuilding for a couple years and missing the playoffs we still have a 98-99% attendance rate.
I guess times changed from ( for example) the 1971- 72 season , you couldn't find a seat in the building, I was there
Seth Jones 3rd overall pick in the NHL draft is from Plano TX a suburb of Dallas if you just give hockey down here a chance you will see alot of people actually care alot about hockey but we get alot of hate because everyone just assumes we all hate hockey you need to give other people a chance to adapt to this great sport :)
And funny I didn't see any Texas natives on the Bemidji recruits page
Actually Dallas' attendance was above average this year.
So, in short, you are making a fallacy (hasty generalization) saying that the poor attendance of late is proof that attendance has always been low. 2. That's ridiculous, we haven't heard of college or highschool hockey? I played 4 years of highschool hockey, and I am going to play college in the fall. We have 44 teams in the highschool system, I know that's not close to Minnesota's numbers but for a metroplex that's only had hockey for 20 years it's incredible.
Pocklington and Wirtz say hi! Also, Tom Hicks screwed the Stars, Texas Rangers, and FC Liverpool.
The three most hated people in the Game of Hockey:
1. Norm Green
2. Gary Bettman
3. Pierre Mcguire
Before those 3 there were Harold Ballard and Clarence Campbell
The bottom line is that we are in the early years of hockey in the DFW area, but we are growing and we love and support the game just as much as you do.
@NorthBamaFan well I'll be their in 8 months
first L.A. takes our Lakers, then Dallas takes our Stars and now it seems like L.A. will once again take a team: the Vikings. I'm not a Vikings fan though so I can live without the Vikes and I'm sure all of Minnesota are over the Stars hangover but its still sad
LA did not get the Vikings , it never even came close to that
The Wild is the worst name in the history of pro sports , but a team came back
@@michaelleroy9281 Los Angeles got the Rams back from St. Louis. You still have the Vikings man.
Hey icecreamman93... It was kicked in. Should have been no goal.
And now they moved North, and Dallas ticket sale continues to be 2nd worst in the NHL, Phoenix is the only team that has more trouble selling tickets
In 2024 they are mostly going to move to Salt Lake City
Hobey* and yes he certainly was. But he didn't go to college in texas to play hockey did he? And guess who won the Hobey? Jack Connolly. From Duluth, MN. UMD and U. of Minnesota have 9 hobey's alone. One guy who got to the top 3 from a subpar college league does not mean texas is a hockey state now. I think they game needs to grow in southern states but not at the expense of other cities. And this argument is more about proving that texas as a whole has a long way to go in terms of hockey.
Young Landsberg lol
@MyCrosbyfan87 um bettman should be Number 1 on tha list
Yeah, where they ended up losing EIGHT TO NOTHING! You call that pretty close? At least in Dallas they knew how to win a game 6 in the Finals, along with a Stanley Cup!
And now they're moving to Iowa...
no they aren't
@@jamedlock83 the Houston Areos moved years ago, they became the Iowa wild
@Texan2525 Ok. What about Green and Mcguire? I think Bettman would be #1 Because he's anti-american for expanding teams in the Sun Belt of the US where the Thrashers moved, Phoenix filed for bankruptcy in 2009, other struggling franchises. He moved Winnipeg and Quebec City down south, cancelled the whole 04-05 NHL Season. And the #1 Reason: He came from the NBA. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
2011 the Jets came back
That was the 90' s 4 teams moved within 6 years , Minn, Que, Winn, Hart
This comment made zero sense and was completely irrelevant. How NJ gets dragged into this I'll never know.
@Texan2525
worst attendance in the NHL lmao
She thinks it was ludicrous? Yet the stars still have 1 more cup. Guess it doesn't really matter because most players come from outside the United States so who cares if no schools play the sport consistantly in the Lone Star State. Probably because our lakes and ponds never freeze over.
Forgive her, she probably knows nothing about hockey
Hell never freezes over either LOL
Maybe she should have gone to more games in Minnesota
Pre-lockout, Dallas was top 5 in attendance. In the last 15 years, the Oilers attendance has been higher twice. Last season, Dallas had higher attendance than 9 other teams including EDM and WPG. If Hicks hadn't destroyed the team after the WCF run in 08, they would have stayed competitive. Just like in Chicago, when mgmt made it clear that they were not going to spend a penny above cap floor to ice a team, fans quit giving their money to Hicks. Don't let the facts get in the way though.
That "ludicrous idea" resulted in the franchise's first Stanley Cup, something the North Stars never got close to achieving even when they made it to the Finals. Stars > North Stars.
Matt Peterson yea they won it with the team Minnesota built. Get off your high horse bud.
Gabe Maddern not even close to true😂
Gabe Maddern not even close Minnesota dickweed
Too bad he's right. Dallas has the second worst attendance in the league and I don't think and texans ever heard of high school or college hockey. The stars were moved there (against the leagues will) because norm greed wanted to be in a big market. Yeah attendance was down but that's because the stars were a shit team. And it wasn't like the attendance was so bad that they couldn't survive in Minnesota. norm just wanted out so his wife wouldn't leave him. Funny he sold the team after the move
You obviously didn't watch the video. The video even talks about the horrible attendance in the late 80s being a problem. That was before Norm bought the team.
The video didn't mention that attendance was so bad in the late 70s that the original owners were planning on folding the North Stars.
Twin Cities fans were fair weather fans. You lost the Lakers, you lost the North Stars, you almost lost the T-Wolves to New Orleans after only 5-6 seasons, & your Twins almost got contracted because a little independent team in St. Paul was drawing more fans.
Austin Smith was a finalist for the Hobbey Baker this year from Colgate, you know where he's from? Dallas. Stefan Noesen went 21st overal in the first round last year to Ottawa, you know where he's from? Plano. Please do some research before accusing someone. I really don't understand why you guys feel the need to belittle newer teams, don't you want our great game to grow? Don't you want to create better competition for the future? I do.
Yea, and the club continues to Bleed money, the only club that is doing worse from the business end is Phoenix. Still you could have at least had the common decency to change the team name so that when we did get a team back we wouldn't have to settle for perhaps the worst team name in all of professional sports "The Wild". The people who decided that name should be tarred, feathered and run out of the state... Minnesota nice be damned.
The Wild have the best logo and uniforms in the game though.
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The early years? The Stars have been there for almost 20 years and the people of texas still know nothing about hockey. And that second comment literally made me laugh. When you get hundreds of thousands of people showing up for high school hockey games down there like we have had up here for decades, then I'll listen to you claim that you "love and support" the game of hockey. The love for the game in texas is nowhere near what it is in Minny nor will it ever be.
Dallas still has a Cup and Minny doesn't. Keep on supporting the Mild though, they need it.
The Devils got blown up & have 3 rings. The North Stars got blown up (twice) & won ZERO rings. The Stars got blown up in 2000, but still have a ring.
MyCrosbyfan, dont forget about john spano at # 4, jakey56569 texans dont give 2 shits about hockey, it was a sin that norm green pissed and moaned about a new arena and it is a sin that the stanley cup even went to Dallas, and Lucas Denault be thankful we still have the twins (even though they finished in last for the THIRD year in a row)
The Stanley Cup never made it Minnesota, eh? I as a Dallas Stars fan do give a shit about hockey and am grateful that they came to Dallas.
haha atleast we still have the glory of Stanley cup immortality
Yes sir , 1999 whether Brett Hull was in the crease on that goal or not
why does everyone hate Pierre? i like him. LETS GO DEVILS!!!!! LETS GO DEVILS!!!!! LETS GO DEVILS!!!!!
Also if you want to talk attendance, check out Minnesota's numbers before they moved. Less than 8000 per game the year that they lost the Finals. They were dead last by a long shot. Even Phoenix does better than that.
Not in a 4500 seat arena which they are most likely going to vacate in the summer of 2024
I love how those people said hockey in Texas is ludicrous we have become champions and with several division championships, a president trophy so so much more and many high schools down here in Dallas are blossoming with talent we have a guy who is from flower mound playing for The University of Michigan and myself im going to be playing at bemidji state this fall if you think hockey isn't successful down here then come down here and choke on it
John F people up here were just upset that the team was leaving, give em a break dude. I remember people crying when the news came out
It was like the Giants and Dodgers leaving New York and Brooklyn after being there almost forever
Yeah you guys suck at hockey. The Dallas “Stars” need to go