Ambri: A Battery that Could Change the World
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Today Zac and Jesse speak to Donald Sadoway, the Co-Founder, Chief Scientific Advisor of Ambri.
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"if you want something dirt cheap, make it out of dirt. Preferably locally sourced" this is such an awesome quote
Soil aint cheap. Dirt is dirt meaning dirty. Soil is soil dust is dust. Where there is smoke there is smoke, the fire is where the fire is.
Fi real.
This is the Arc Reactor lol
I prefer politically stable in the US. 🤣
Let's talk about how many hundreds of pounds of magnesium catching fire. When magnesium catches fire, it burns at 3,100 c or 5,600 F. If one tries to drown it with water, it burns so hot that it liberates oxygen from the water. it will burn through concrete. Years ago, I had a mall spool of magnesium ribbon. I lit it on fire and got a bit spooked by it's energy so I dropped it with a pair of pliers into a beaker of water and it just sat there and burned and boiled the water until the beaker broke.
Not only do we need more educators like this Professor, but more human beings like him. To the young who inherit our future, listen to the wisdom and humility of Professor Sadoway, we can all benefit from him.
2 years have passed and it seems wisdom is not enough to do the trick. Here in europe no ones uses that.
This guy sounds like a REALLY cool professor. I've always loved the professors who are ""the smartest person in the room" but still able to deliver the content to the intro & layman listener.
That the sort person that's also an invitation to the room of the smartest people as well.
I have known a number of professors who were far from being the smartest person in the room.
@@anvilsvs ok, and? what does that have to do with my comment?
Such a rarity to listen to straightforward and clear answers to questions. Breathtaking interview.
It's not a real interview. They took some commentary and cut in questions to fit.
Doesnt this give hope for political rhetoric?! Bahahahaha
@@joshmoore7258 wut? Source please
The real players, player.
@@joshmoore7258 filled your diaper , now you're all happy and squishy !
Why do I like the man so much after this 32 min interview!!! So smart yet I sense a humbleness. I will work for you!
I find that with all the professors I've spoken to. Amazing people.
Agreed...such a likable guy. That was a great interview.
I thought the exact same thing. I also get the feeling its like I have heard him or seen him before... crazy
Einstein was correct: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Einstein again, if you know your topic "It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid." Hopefully, the barmaid wasn't a physics postdoc working to get some extra cash!
@@timothylarson4587 he reminds me of a astronaut
This is extremely encouraging and exciting to know; many people and companies have spent decades and millions in researching large capacity storage / batteries for solar and wind renewable energy systems, but there was always the astronomical cost of manufacturing and sustainability involved, but this Ambri liquid metal battery is a profound game changer! Congratulations Professor Sadoway!
As the Chinese leader famously said, "too soon to tell".
This professor is quite remarkable. I hope for him this AMBRI company will succeed !
@@mugin11223344 Depends on which metals are being used. Looks like Calcium and Antimony - Antimony is a few thousand per ton, Calcium is relatively free in comparison so at least the battery technology is realistic.
The question is renewable energy realistic?
The battery itself is 80-90% efficient, which is quite good - superior to hydroelectric energy storage.
@@mugin11223344 I'm no expert in batteries, but I understand the basics. For the reason ALONE that it's solid metal, over multiple charge and discharge cycles, the anode and cathode warp, and eventually end up touching one another making an internal short.
I know it SEEMS wasteful that these have to be heated, but it's not a big deal to thermally insulate them to the point that they would lose negligible heat over weeks, even months. It's not hard to build a block of 100x100 METERS buried in the ground or actually manufacture the batteries on site - they are actually quite simple.
These are INDUSTRIAL batteries as well, suitable for running a hospital or office buildings or supplying energy to a neighborhood. They won't be expected to be holding a charge for weeks or months - more like days.
These batteries also have higher energy density than Lithium Ion - but they CANNOT BE MOVED when in operation.
For Lithium Ion batteries, they ALSO need to be heated. I worked on electric vehicles and pointed this out to a technician who brought in a car to be tested. He said "no problem, just use the batteries to warm the batteries" - and they do this now.
Electric vehicles are NOT about reducing energy consumption. They true convenience is you never have to go to a gas station, and they are a lot less complicated to manufacture and build. Internal combustion engines are complicated and have to be constantly maintained.
What level of shaking an operating battery, would cause a critical event with the battery? 4.1 or 7.0 richter. Batteries could me mounted on anti-earthquake platform to negate the motion. Up and down motion too.
@@chrispicritters4710 Great question..
Would the earth moving be the least of your worries?
Why is "changing the world" always presented as a default "good?"
Dropping large nuclear weapons on NYC and San Francisco would "change the world" too.
85% of the world population dying would indeed, change the world too
Prof Don has mellowed over the years and he’s put a lot of time and commitment into his work. Wish him and his team all the best and may they prosper enormously.
Not a single detail and a softball interview where the interviewer didn't even bother to ask the efficiency rate of the battery or costs or maintenance or really anything.
Pravda
@@tarstarkusz all the details are our there in research papers there are also detailed lecatures on the net
@@alanrickett2537 This was nothing more than advertisement. That guy probably paid them for this interview.
@@tarstarkusz highly unlikely but if you don't like it don't watch it
Why this video works? 5:14, “You’re a Professor, so you’re good at explaining things”. He is the very picture of calm, cool, and collected, seasoned with confidence and a subtle inspiring enthusiasm. Expertise with ego in check. Very promising.
I have been following this guy and his RUclips lectures for many years now. It is so good to finally see how Ambri is now ready to scale up. Great timely interview! Thank you!
Me too 😊.
If the FUV stock price jump is any indication then they have sirius dollars watching them and ambri is doing a siris D fund rising
it's all vaporware until it's available tp the public
How do you know that Ambri is ready to scale up?
So far is only talk and talk is cheap.
" for many years " why did it take so long? I thought he said he was ready 5 y ago . Whats the problem?
@@CHMichael This is one big BS. That's what the problem is. Plenty of scam artists like that around. What he is looking for is another government grant.
I really hope to see Prof Sadoway featured on many forms of media many times in the next months. It seems Ambri is nearing reality. Thanks Disruptive Investing.
I'm an engineer and first saw this on the channel "just have a think" ruclips.net/video/VNCC8QGy_u0/видео.html
He's quite right Lithium ion is great for small portable. This is something else and quite possibly one of the most important new technologies in the world. At 18:00 he says batteries are critical for the uptake of renewables. That has already been proven in Germany.
There's a little known (and misunderstood) concept with renewables. From an investment standpoint their worst case isn't no sun or wind its too much. Simply if you own a wind turbine or solar farm there are only so many hours each year where you can generate power. ANY HOUR where you CAN GENERATE power and CAN'T SELL IT then your losing income. BUT IF YOU CAN STORE ANY EXCESS AND SELL IT WHEN DEMANDED then you are at least reducing those losses. This is one thing the Germans found out after spending €1.3 Trillion on renewables. At times they're overpowering the grid and had/have to pay people to consume excess power.
So technologies like this are incredibly important whether you are a house or an industrial scale generator.
Actually that means they're on a pr tour to raise money b/c for 10yrs they haven't managed to produce a product. This is an old pitch. About 10yrs old to be exact. It's all BS until they have cost numbers for actual products. I've heard 1000 pitches like this for 20yrs. Use the skeptical glasses. One of the 1in1000 pitches produced a product. First Solar. The rest are no longer in business, or slurping from the investor teat to stay alive - like Ambri.
@@fredsnit5699 Sorry but that's a fairly bullshit dismissal.
Your half right in that there are many people who have proclaimed the cure for mankind's ills. Just watch some of the stupidity on Dragons Den or if your in Australia Shark Tank.
What he's saying *NOW* is that he has gone past the research stage into early production. So he's NOT making the same pitch made in the past. He's won a big contract and you can't do that without something that actually works.
So I think your being a bit prissy with this.
Your not wrong on having some skepticism, but your wrong to be that dismissive. *AND* there is no doubt that other storage technologies are needed. Lithium is better for vehicles and portable devices and its already shown to be rather expensive for domestic use because the demand is out stripping supply.
@@tonywilson4713 All due respect, but when you've been a wall street analyst in this space for 20yrs, get back to me. I've seen literally every pitch in the battery/renewable space since '98. I was excited when I heard the first ambri pitch. I'm not excited about their progress or their current pitch. Neither are the first money investors as they'd have snapped up this round if they loved ambri. They didn't, and they don't. And they know 3 s. tons more than you ever will. That's why the current dog and pony show.
@@fredsnit5699 Ask an electrochemist, not an investment analyst. The beauty of LMB is that it is elegant enough that you can understand the way it works without any mumbo jumbo nano-coating film flam alloy transmutations or quantum flux field hurdy-gurdy synchronous energy bugbears. It will work because there is no physical law violated by its operation, and it's simple enough that the unforeseen problems can be reasonably solved without having to simulate them in a 42000 years deep thought algorithm. If it doesn't work it will be because somebody didn't do the work needed to produce it
Wow professor!
You are a fine example of thinking out of the box!
Brilliant perspective on building radical technology to improve the world.
You are smart and you foster some of the smartest minds in the planet.
What a lovely ecosystem you create.
Wish you the best
What a pleasure to hear Professor Sadoway speak, articulate, and understandable.
No stutter or deflection in his speaking without a script, incredible.
This is the first thing I took away from the video. The guy wasn't talking in circles and avoiding the hard questions. He could teach Elon a thing or two about public speaking.
He is definitely a high college professor that knows his subject inside and out, is passionate about the subject and potentials, and wants people to understand it's capabilities.
He also kept the conversation around a high school level so as not to lose the audience.
He gave enough information in the interview that whoever wants to find out more about this process. As a result, they'll have an easier time researching.
He obviously wants people to investigate and contribute to the project.
@Sir Raymond LuxuryYacht It wasn't a speech, it was not a prepared speech, it was a question session and as far I can remember you are allowed to think before answering a question.
Elon Musk is a genius innovator and leader in modern invention.
Professor Sadoway explained his technology was in a completely different application, than Mr. Musk's.
Context.
After listening to #DiaperDon butchering the English language for 5 years it's a treat to listen to someone intelligent and articulate.
No BS, just plain straight talking, no unreasonable expectations as to when this will become viable for economic usage.
I saw his TED talk years ago, and as time went on wondered "That was such an awesome concept - whatever happened to it?" It's so good that this far along, he and his team have stuck with it, and are doing the hard work of making it a reality.
He will have to fight the ruling battery kings and prevail, before his idea can manifest!!! It's like he is trying to take the food out of their mouths and they are NOT having it!!! A lot of great inventions in all areas of life get killed off for the same reason!!!
Aquino , his 1st company bankrupted. Look who bought it for 5 cents on the dollar.
Yt keeps erasing my comment. Company was sold to China for 9.2 million, while spending almost 200 million, much coming from green energy free cash from I-bama.
Damn, I want to work with this guy! THIS is the kind of thinking we need in Congress, Senate and the White House... logical, obviously understands the butterfly effect, and is ultimately pragmatic. As he said, this battery tech isn't the end-all, be-all for every application, but it absolutely deserves further development and a place on the grid.
He would do it better quicker if he relocated to China
They concentrate on development
A man who has taken technology, economics, scalability, supply chain, long term efficiencies into consideration = genius. Possibly the first clear discussions on possible renewable energy efficiencies. Mr. Sadoway also did not put a political spin on things = Intelligence. I would work for this man.
I keep catching updates from Professor Sadoway over the years and keep hoping to hear news of his work making it to commercial success. He has been at it a while and Ambri is still out there and making progress. His success will be the world's gain.
What a refreshingly cogent and brilliant interview! As a recently retired professor, I am in awe of Donald Sadoway's precision in making terse and practical comments during a prolonged interview. Wonderful. I, personally, would like to invest a portion of my retirement portfolio into this company. Well done!
this is the perfect battery
Wow this guy has his head on straight, he knows economic, development with cost effective materials , endless charge cycles long life batteries 20/30 plus years sounds all good.
why all these bullshit spam posts? Are they paid for or something?
@@joeking433 I'll go make my own as I agree with Steven :)
@@joeking433 Equally commentable- why be negative? PEople love all the ideas here and speak about it. What do you mean by 'spam'?
ARe they touting something totally unrelated and sending you to a name or website to buy stuff?
As a Canadian one of the things I like about the USA is that they have lots of geniuses and Donald Sadoway is one of them. Thanks to operation Warp Speed Canadians and Americans are receiving vaccines for Covid-19 several years before traditional vaccines are developed. So much talent in the USA. Thanks to Zac and Jesse for sharing this information about Ambri batteries.
Thanks for the compliment, but if you want to meet the friendliest, biggest hearted people in the world, go to Canada. Yup, group hug time. ;) Seriously, though, the nicest people I've ever met (and I'm 54) are Canadians. My first time in Canada, I was so taken aback by how friendly the people were, it was actually uncomfortable. Now, it's just refreshing.
The professor sounded as if he might be Canadian.
Prof Sadoway was born in Toronto, he's one of yours!
Ron Battiston before u wright get some knowledge (int is full of it) and make ur self look better!!!
@@god_damn9661 - Before you post what you write, use a dictionary.
Nice interview, I saw this professor before. It’s sad that at first he wasn’t gaining much headway. Seems like he’s getting the word out now. More power to him and more power to all of us.
It was kinda Sad-o-way
I was skeptical when he said they run at six hundred degrees, then I sat and listened to the man talk. This is amazing!!
That was 600 C you should have kept your skepticism.
Ok, it sounds like a good idea BUT these batteries depend on the assumption that renewables themselves deliver benefits. Do they? It seems that they don't :@t
Moreover, besides the research on how "green" is green energy when you factor in all production emissions and energy input for installation (huge roads are opened, hills flattened, etc), maintenance, and so on, I have yet to see a viable plan for tearing down and recycle the huge wind turbines and billions of solar panels.
@@C_R_O_M________ renewables can provide a TON of energy, but the issue is that they are intermittent, if we can easily store the energy en-masse, renewables would be really great.
This would even get better, if we use solar power satellites and focus the energy on a spot.
@@TCBYEAHCUZ everything can produce energy. The question is how much energy do you put into the contraptions that you want to produce energy from and wind and solar are at the bottom of that scale.
Energy returned on energy invested is terrible for solar and wind. Which means, if you factor in installation, maintenance and eventually recycling, that they are a horrendous mass scale solution.
I urge you to read the latest 26-page report/commentary by narural resource analysts Goehring & Rozencwajg (google them to find their site - can't post it here, YT doesn't allow it for some reason) titled: "Ignoring Energy Transition Realities".
In it you'll see that a mass scale push for renewables and they use iGermany as an example, that went from 2% to an enormous 40% penetration of renewables, actually achieved a smaller reduction in carbon footprint than the US (from 2% to 10% penetration) and France (same as the US). Germany reduced its carbon footprint by jut 11% whereas the US and France to 12% and 10% respectively. Natural gas is much greener than renewables.
Furthermore no one is talking about cost-efficient ways to recycle wind and solar. So far they just leave them to rot when their lifecycle ends! Talking about environmentalist hypocrisy!
@@C_R_O_M________ You're forgetting that fossil fuels aren't sustainable economically, sooner or later we will need to go fully nuclear or fully renewable with battery backup, and which do you think will an uninformed public go for? one that Elon; a new cult of personality is pushing hard for, or one that has been propagandized as pure evil for several decades?
Finally, a person who is really making sense.
+1
Call me. I can’t sort out your other problems as well.
Ok, it sounds like a good idea BUT these batteries depend on the assumption that renewables themselves deliver benefits. Do they? It seems that they don't :@t
Moreover, besides the research on how "green" is green energy when you factor in all production emissions and energy input for installation (huge roads are opened, hills flattened, etc), maintenance, and so on, I have yet to see a viable plan for tearing down and recycle the huge wind turbines and billions of solar panels.
@@C_R_O_M________ so why would a wind turbine need to be recycled ?
And what part of it couldn’t be re used or recycled ?
And solar panel recycling is comon place nowadays
@@spinnymathingy3149 their life cycle is LESS than 20 years (some don't even make it to a decade) and, as the professor said in this clip, composites don't recycle well. Wings are made from composites. Many big ones (the turbine base) are made from concrete and concrete is one of the most pollution-intensive materials we make. Not to mention the opening of roads and flattening of whole hills and/or mountaintops when you install them (that's the case here in Greece with a very mountainous terrain). It's not that straightforward you know.
That was a fantastic interview. The Professor was extremely charming and spoke with such fluidity that he was amazing to listen to. I'm betting that Ambry batteries will be storing and dispensing energy at every large renewable site in the world very soon.
Awesome technology. I wish them the best, we need more people like Donald Sadoway.
Same here - I'm an engineer and first saw this on the channel "just have a think" ruclips.net/video/VNCC8QGy_u0/видео.html
He's quite right Lithium ion is great for small portable. This is something else and quite possibly one of the most important new technologies in the world. At 18:00 he says batteries are critical for the uptake of renewables. That has already been proven in Germany.
There's a little known (and misunderstood) concept with renewables. From an investment standpoint their worst case isn't no sun or wind its too much. Simply if you own a wind turbine or solar farm there are only so many hours each year where you can generate power. ANY HOUR where you CAN GENERATE power and CAN'T SELL IT then your losing income. BUT IF YOU CAN STORE ANY EXCESS AND SELL IT WHEN DEMANDED then you are at least reducing those losses. This is one thing the Germans found out after spending €1.3 Trillion on renewables. At times they're overpowering the grid and had/have to pay people to consume excess power.
So technologies like this are incredibly important whether you are a house or an industrial scale generator.
@@tonywilson4713 generating too much? Surely they can simply open up the disconnect switch
@@andymack8178 Its not always that simple and they can also lock of wind turbines.
Neither eliminates the real problem. From a technical perspective its irrelevant but from an investment perspective its massive and it doesn't matter who's paying.
I don't know your background but in the past I developed automated production machinery and in manufacturing there's nothing worse than producing failed product. Its cost money for materials, labor, energy,....etc. and those costs are unrecoverable in failed product. Solar/Wind energy that can't be sold or used is similar. Every bit of sun or wind that is not converted and used or sold is money lost.
If your the home owner then you have to buy energy elsewhere.
If you're the commercial generator then you can't sell the full value of what your solar farm of wind turbine is capable of.
@@andymack8178 As for generating too much its easy to overpower a network with too much generation. The voltage goes up and if it goes to far its not good.
@@tonywilson4713 your comment above "easy to overpower a network with too much generation. The voltage goes up and if it goes too far it's not good" This is exactly what I just said, then simply turn it off.
I love the snowfall in the background behind the Prof when talking about energy storage.
He's a Canuck - takes it with him wherever he goes.
I noticed that to. I have lived in Las Vegas for 5 yrs.........but from NY, miss it!
I took 3.091 from Professor Sadoway my freshman year at MIT in 2002. It’s really exciting to see the practical application of some of the principles from that introductory course. I’ll be following to see where Ambri goes!
Buying to the company now!
His TED Talk from 2012 is still inspirational. I'm so glad to hear they're one last funding push away from market. If this company ever went public, jeez... that shit would skyrocket.
Inspiration doesn't count for jack. I hope it works, but it working or not has nothing to do with inspiration.
Because hobby traders think Elon Musk is a super genius. Ambri already went broke, now reinvested by Bill Gates. The problem is not the technology, the problem is state governments corruption with electric generation. There are many great ideas and technology losing out to lobbying and government corruption.
@@DragNetJoebuying Twitter was inspiration.
I've been following this project for several years and am very excited to see it finally getting to market! I was hoping they would sell to the public.
WOW, I'm floored by what you've all done. I believe this tech will change the world! Thank you Donald & Team for your contribution to humanity. Brilliant.
This guy is a Big Star Professor at MIT, he knows what he is talking about. The world needs professors like this around the globe. Congrats on the Invention success
This is the second time that I have seen this video and I am impressed to the point of bouncing up and down with joy because of the fact that he has invented created and is now producing an alternative form of electrical storage, which has tremendous advantages over the lithium iron types of battery. I've had some inventions and financing from outside sources, and I know firsthand, just how long it takes to produce a viable physical product to adequately demonstrate the theories that look fantastic on paper, to become fantastic in reality. I intend to invest in this company in the next seven days.
I like Don's humour, manner of speaking, ideals of empowering the newer, upcoming brilliant minds, which I subscribe to, in what I do for my living! In my opinion, his company deserves to succeed well.
Absolutely!
this guy is really likeable. He's not selling a battery. He's creating a sustainable future through realizing his dream. I like that he's super intelligent yet also willing to admit he needs more minds involved to accomplish the work.
The distinction is between selling an object and selling a dream that seems it should be a solution.
Good sales technique has people thinking past the sale and liking what they see in their mind. Once that is squared with the value being higher than the price, assuming they can pay that price, you likely have a sale.
Why is it no one else ever talks about what you do with it when its worn out? Look at the world, we are drowning in worn out products. These people have actually addressed this product from cradle to grave! What a concept! THIS IS HOW EVERYTHING SHOULD BE MADE FROM NOW ON!
Now Humans and turning Space into a junk yard! At least around Earth!
Because it's not profitable. No repeat customers if your product lasts a lifetime.
This is AMBRI's least problem to worry about. This thing last for years and years. It's not some fragile gadget, it's molten metal.
My grandfather was a fireman and then driver of steam locomotives from early to mid 20th century. I'm sure he would have been as excited as I am about this new fire in a box technology..
Well said, Boris. Well said.
What's wrong with fire in a box?
@@bmc9504 nothing.just saying it was doable 100 years ago and doable now at less than half the temperature. Could be ok for long haul Freight.
@@borisecneretz6414 Don't shake the salad dressing!
What I want to say to that professor: you're my icon already and I'm waiting to buy a share of your company
Professor Donald Sadoway is a breath of fresh air and his pragmatic approach should ensure that Ambri has the best chance of success.
I have seen his TED talk and several other videos on the liquid metal battery. It is amazing tech and his idea that it needed to be cheap as dirt shows he is practical as well as brilliant. This is really exciting technology and the idea that it can be long lived and doesn't care if it is cycled down to flat and then recharged is a huge advantage.
The fact that it can cool over 5k times is amazing too
People like this guy is why America is and always will be great
Really impressed. The clarity in rigorously scientific approaches always demands simplicity in approach and thought. Also, this is an invention that is sensitive to the environment and the available resources, and that is what is so impressive here.
Like most inventions, this is also a combining together of ideas from different experiences in life, here its the ideas combined from experiences in lithium-polymer and metallurgy. And the combination of ethical values into the mix is what makes this invention human. I wish all success to the AMBRI team!
Well said, Srikant. I second your motion. :-)
These kinds of true VIP interviews is leaving to replace the function that they had in mind/market for MSNBC. Bravo guys.
And honestly when the people conducting the interview actually know what they're asking about it flows way better than those talking heads asking whatever they've been told through the ear piece.
Ok, it sounds like a good idea BUT these batteries depend on the assumption that renewables themselves deliver benefits. Do they? It seems that they don't :@t
Moreover, besides the research on how "green" is green energy when you factor in all production emissions and energy input for installation (huge roads are opened, hills flattened, etc), maintenance, and so on, I have yet to see a viable plan for tearing down and recycle the huge wind turbines and billions of solar panels.
It was a pleasure to watch this, given the important questions asked by Zac and Jesse, followed by the clear concise and exciting answers given by Professor Sadoway - his students are very lucky indeed to have him as their teacher, guide and mentor.
idk - i am new to this channel - but the whole interview seems scripted front to back - It was kinda like watching a really long infomercial that ends in (surprise) a money collection..... I dont say he isnt legit - All i say is this show/format/interview feels weird ( too good to be true product premmises and no real downside and fitting questions and many cuts and his facial expression and... its just so much that comes together that in summary I hear distant alarm bells ringing! - I hope I am wrong and it is just kinda "not beeing used to this channel" situation
Such a pleasure listening to the professor talking... the examples and the analogies are so on point that makes things super easy to understand even if you are new to this subject. Hat off!
Couldn't agree more. You have a way with words too.
Definitely help us follow up with Ambri in the near future, they are so close to production and is so different than the other battery approaches
Man what an amazing guy. Im a dumb ass and I understood him perfectly. I can listen to him explain things all day.
well done interview. All participants. Good questions then Answer no interruption, perfect flow.
no scripting, intelligent. Did not have to use YT playback speed 75%!
Ambri battery tech is a better match for grid energy storage. Grid batteries might cycle multiple times times a day. The simplicity of the design makes it vary robust. Exactly what you need in grid storage. Ambri needs the investment to scale.
Go ahead and invest your money. This is a utopia project and perfect for people that live in a lulu land.
@@lesp315 you must light your house with kerosene lamps. Electrification of transportation is a reality so is creating grids powered by renewable energy. The US electrified in the 1930’s as part of to new deal. So perhaps you should look to join the rest of the US, and electrify as well.
Wrong. I have Tesla medium system (24 PVs and 2 PW).
I also know how to read people. Thirty years of running my own business has some benefits.
@@lesp315 Benifits? Like no one argues with 'The Owner'? The tech is on par with Li and costs less.. Argument made, expecting rebuttal... from... the owner.
@@mikedar8484 the negative to this is it needs antimony which we don’t have a lot of. Need to mine it. Don’t know if they can get the materials easily. China owns the market, stop trading it.
The most i learned all year was watching this superb interview. Donald Sadoway, what an elegant genius. And gentlemen.
Zac and Jesse, excellent interview. Wonderful to see you expanding out to new means of addressing climate change. Unfortunately, economics is the only way that is going to happen. But your channel can certainly be a vehicle to help expedite the process. Keep up the good work!!!
I partially agree, yet there are a boat load of good things that come with a market place functioning as common ground where ideas and investors can meet. And economics is also making sure ideas stay viable and scalable. It's when greed enters the system we need to worry, and currently greed seems to be the prevalent driver for far too many contributors. But if regulated to maximize outcome rather than output, they will do just fine!
Fortunately, economics is the way this technology will expand...
Keep us updated with Ambri... Now that's science for the environment... Brilliant Tech to keep the world going forward
Humanity needs this kind of people who's heart love to make the world safe... Salute to you professor.
Fascinating stuff I can't wait to see this technology progress.
OMG i've been following this company for years! I really hope they are able to pull this off! Affordable batteries for solar for decades.
You've been following them for years and nothing yet. Doesn't that tell you anything?
@@grasonicus it was a TED talk when they initially split from the University.. I plan for this to be my big upgrade since now I use 20KWH of forklift batteries that a local shop was about to toss them out
@@grasonicus no. Li ion batter needed 40 years from first talk to usage.
most ides need 10y+ to go from dream to product and that if thers no basic research needed
@@buzz86us2005 Use Lithium for that. Ambri needs to be on a stable foundation, you don't want molten metal sloshing around in a forklift.
@@AaronCoakley I use the forklift battery to store solar energy for my home, i plan to get this when it hits market to replace it.
thank you professor, happy to hear great humble man talking about technology and knowledge.
The one question that wasn't asked how much energy to heat the battery compared to discharge capacity.
Edit: It appears that once battery is initially molten and well insulated the charging and discharging process is enough to keep it molten even if the lose factor was 50% or more it could be viable storage if the renewable energy was cheap enough.
I suspect the most efficient way of using them would be to continually cycle them so they could be used to charge and discharge each other when no power was required for the grid. Volume may be a deciding factor.
The fact that a plant is planned for Texas gives a glimmer of hope that in may be viable.
Aw, darn! You ruined the movie for me. I was hanging on just to hear the answer to that.
@@LazerBee
🤣🤣🤣!!!
exactly what i was thinking ....grab your shovels cause it looks like we are going to have to dig a bit deeper. That being said though this is still an excellent product with loads of potential ..... first thought .... lava lol
Wait, they ramble for 30 minutes and manage to avoid the key points you need to evaluate if the thing is actually worth jack shit? Because i have been waiting for that for about 10 minutes (watching at 1.75 times speed):
What is the efficiency of that? How much energy do they need to operate?
So far they only addressed safety lifetime. 2 important things, yes. But considering they where already babbling on for over 10 minutes it's a poor result. That's why i was scrolling through the comments.
Is this generally that type of channel?
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Sorry they also mentioned charge and recharge speed but all those 3 things have one thing in common. They never give real life values not even from their lab. My confidence is low and shrinking.
I want to know man
What a great person Donald is and I'm looking forward to the success they will bring everyone! Also, Thank you Zac and Jesse for bringing to light what the future holds for us and our children!
I do not come from a science background ,rather from a design background ,and the thought process is pretty much the same as when I was at college in the seventies.Dont create something that's already there ,think of a new avenue ,and these people at Ambri deserve all the success they will get.A fantastic interview that covered all the bases.Thank you for this interview ,and not subjecting me to your musical taste ...cheers
I remember back in the 1960's they had developed a Sodium/Tin molten metal battery, also using a sodium chloride electrolyte. So this technology has been around for a while.
And it just never got commercialized en mass; because we never had a need for efficient grid scale energy storage.
Now that some key people are pushing hard for efficient portable energy storage, it may finally he the chance we need to see grid scale batteries a reality.
@@TCBYEAHCUZ The need has always been there, it's just that energy companies didn't see a financial incentive to do it. Well that has started to change now that some grid-level storage systems have been demonstrated and the power companies realized it is a money maker, and not just a nice to have for the stability of the grid
@@TCBYEAHCUZ Definitely would have helped Texas earlier in the year anyway.
@@ironassbrown Economics and need are synonymous with my comment.
@@Martyr217 maybe not...the temps got low so harder to maintain heat for battery plus how much energy wise does it cost to keep the battery up to temp. That would draw from the system as well. I'm sure it wouldve helped overall. What wouldve helped even more is if we had a totally revamped infrastructure. Not just energy but roads, bridges, underground water/sewage, etc. The entire country is slowly falling into disrepair infractrusturally speaking. The only reason this came to light in texas is because of the decision for the majority of the state to be on it's own grid
I hope AMBRI a big success on this journey! Congratulations for the beautiful solution!
Thanks for giving me a electromechanical lecture, technological run through and a sales presentation all at once, this will be the batteries that feed from the Sahara.. well done this person is the example of astute..
Wonderful idea Batteries can handle the greater ENERGY can get warm and not hurt the batteries..That is a Breakthrough...Well DONE....
16:50 "Electro refining" ~~~ Would be nice to hear more about this.
Great interview, clear and precise. This LM battery invention seems to address the Achilles heel of intermittent renewables, even with lower roundtrip efficiency. Hope these get funding support and are commercialized fast.
Not much lower efficiency than Li-Ion, but same or better than pumped hydro.
Such a humble personality.. I couldn't last 10 min of podcast but this man sir Donald was so humble I watched the whole video. A big Respect to him🙏
Indeed!! I did also
Good luck to the folks at Ambri and I hope to see them expand their business.
Rare Idea. Great Professor. Right Questions. Clear Answers. The Professor's philosophy is mind blowing-use dirt from your back yard, marry it with a rare idea, implement it with bright young minds who want to make a difference to the way we live, and leave it to them to take care of ethical business and continued development in technology. The day the Professor set foot in this path and the day he retires and leaves it to a bright and dedicated bunch of youngies and when he looks back he would be a satisfied human being and pleased with himself and for the world at large. The Professor brimming with a youthful charm and experienced wisdom is one of the rarities to find these days. I wish the Professor and his team great health and great progress and a fantastic result. Such minds are the need of the hour for a change in this greed driven world.
can't find enough words to express myself fully. Beautiful video and apt questions. regards ravi
I believe he has coordinated his tie, artwork, couch, and flowers. Well done.
hahahaha ... love your take away
I wish I was or had been disciplined enough to be smart enough to be part of technology like this. These people must absolutely look forward to going to work knowing their hard work will benefit mankind and the planet. I hope our youth can look beyond all the BS of the world today and focus on these sorts of careers and know the future is good if they just look for it. Mr. Sadoway you are an incredible human being
I wish I had had a professor like him in college or at some times in my life.
I didn't know about this channel, but I'm glad to see you guys feature this tech. I do believe it will play a key role in our renewable future.
Well Done! This was one of the most inspirational videos I have seen. Innovation only occurs when we leave the Status Quo behind. I like the way he picked his staff. Fresh faces and ideas on this huge adventure. Mr Sadoway has a gift of being able to take a multifaceted operation and explain it in common sense terms. This is the future. Amazingly the only thing you will need to replace is the containment...
Thank You!
Dr. Donald Sadoway sounds like a brilliant, practical and down to earth man. Enjoyed his interview and easy to understand explanations. Love the "tough tech" and "cheaper than dirt" analogies. Looking forward to seeing his company and this battery technology becoming more via and mainstream!
Nice interview...... I think you missed the 3 most important Questions... When and at what cost available to the mass consumer .... The total efficiency of the battery. (energy out / energy in),.... The length of time it can store and hold energy from 100% down to 90%...
I don't think this technology is for consumers per se, but the big elephant in grid electricity is storage and this could be that solution.
Round trip efficient ~80%
It's for grid storage only. It's liquid, it's not good to move it when working
@@giggsrayn5205 ^ what you said
The cost should be competitive if not somewhat cheaper than li-ion banks of a similar capacity, and much more scalable given that they are made from abundant materials....Round trip efficiency is claimed to be 80%... Not sure as the battery is designed to work switching as a load or a source of power on a fluctuating grid, it should be charging and discharging daily, as it is intended to do, rather than a long-term storage solution.
If you wanna make it dirt cheap make it out of dirt. Got me sold right there, love this video.
Dr. Donald Sadoway inspired me a lot. I wish him the best and hope to see this new technology being a huge impact into renewable energy for the next couple years.
Im happy with exploring all battery technologies. Glad to see these different companies revolutionizing the world
Well delivered and outstanding interview, brilliant idea... I'd love to see this product come to life in the market! Big thanks for the video and to the minds behind what could be a large ecological change.
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Well, to be energy efficient it could be worthwhile to design the building with a centrally located in-door structure for the battery.
IE, if you're running an Ambri battery in an Arctic research base or on Mars, put the battery dead-center in the building.
No matter what you do, eventually some heat will bleed out from the molten insides of your battery into the air around it.
So you might as well have that heat bleeding out into your living structure first, allowing the people inside to get just that much more efficiency out of their energy storage and heat generation.
It won't be much, maybe an extra half degree C worth of indoor heating, but every little bit of added efficiency helps, so you might as well put that heat loss to use.
Don't go to mars the native lifeforms are hostile
Very interesting and I do hope and trust, we all will benefit from this great research. Quite remarkable technology and down to earth!
This was one of the most interesting episodes I have seen in ages,as well as one of the most important for society if we are to break the hold of fossil in our lives. Well done!
You know that battery is just a energy storage device, not the energy. US burns a lot of fossils to charge these batteries no matter what.
@@Allin7days charged by wind and solar
@@Allin7days Generally paired with renewables, so, dead wrong direction of thinking.
@@Allin7days Yes,I am aware of batteries being energy storage devices. Without some way to store renewables (ie in batteries),fossil will still be around to power things when the wind calms and the sun goes down.
Break the hold of fossil fuels in our lives? LOLOLOLOL. Maybe 100 years from now. Maybe. Probably not tho. Because ENERGY DENSITY.
He directly answered each question with details. What a rare moment in our modern society that flocks around technobabble BS 'change the world' efforts.
This appears to be practical and useful.
I heard about a company in Mass , about 4 or 5 years ago , on a radio talk show that was making a battery that would allow you to charge your phone like once a month!! I guess this is what I've been waiting to see and hear for years now😁
This bloke has it all , the brain, the talk, the product ...this is going to go BIG man..good on yah!!!!
This is is the best presentation I have seen with you guys.Prof.Sadoway really knows his business.I wish AMBRI every success.
What an intelligent person! An amazing brilliant mind! True admirations from Sofia, Bulgaria, Sir!!! Many thanks!
I am very rarely impressed, this gentleman has impressed the heck out of me.
He mentioned that he gathered students without previous expertise in the matter so they do not fall into the same thinking pattern. That provided them the novel thinking they needed.
@@zoransimeonov yea he said that when he started yeeeeeeears ago
@4pharaoh I’m often impressed, and consider myself somewhat of an expert at being impressed, and this gentleman impressed the bejeezus out of me as well.
Thank gawd you took the time to let us know you were impressed.
Because I sure as shit wouldn't have been able to form an opinion with out yours
An academician combines his knowledge with the SKILL of an artisan and handwork of a mechanic!Ambri is promissing
Microgrids are definitely part of the future. We had an opportunity to test this out in Puerto Rico and if feasible utilize it here at a larger scale state side.
Yes, that is another fantastic application of energy storage technology, imagine the difference this could make for countries with intermittent electrical power. Try to run a business that requires power to operate machines, and the power is on only for hours at a time and these outages are only loosely scheduled if at all. There are billions of people living in energy insecurity, this could make a huge impact toward changing that.
@@ironassbrown definitely staying at my father's beach house in St. Lucia is a process. The utilities are on a national grid with intermittent use. Meanwhile the resorts get reliable power and water while the citizens are left without water and electricity for hours.
They claim the first MAN was created from dirt. Evolution gave us EVE.
I fully agree. Here in the Netherlands (Europe) we see that the amount of residential PV panels overload the lowest part of the grid so much that we either face a major investment in the grid, or go for residential storage... I already sent a mail to David Bradwell aboput a small system, but he stated that smaller systems were difficult due to the temperature management, and that Ambri currently is not even considering development of a smaller system. In my opinion this is a missed opportunity!
Brilliant interview and great questions of a genuinely smart man. Well done!
Very impressive. Great to listen to innovative tech people. Prof. Sadoway is a really good communicator.
wow this dude is holding the golden key to renewable recyclabe energy hands up may you and your coleages and students get that noble piece award for renewble
Right on! This is an idea I also thought about, not the liquid metal per say, but using materials safe for the environment and that can be recycled. I know it can be done. The draw back is size, but for a house with solar, you can have a bigger battery.
Maybe not a house but a neighborhood....
@@briandbeaudin9166 word
@@briandbeaudin9166 Neighborhood or (god forbid) an HOA would be an excellent idea, especially if you could get all residents together and on the same page.
If for some reason that wasnt feasible I would say it would be completely implementable in a single home system. Especially in conjunction with solar and/or wind, hydro, and thermoelectric cooler pelletier devices that could in turn not only provide or offset the energy in heating it but also provide on demand hot water, refrigeration, freezer, and heating/cooling air conditioning.
It would be a lot more appealing to homeowners to only have to buy one batter for their lives rather than eating the cost of replacing the batteries currently used in solar or "green" energy electrical systems every 5-10 years. And trust me, those things are not cheap... it would also be ideal for people living in extremely cold weather climates, off the grid systems, or "preper" SHTF scenarios. The applications and implementations are countless. I'd definitely buy into a system like that. Hopefully with some tax bonuses heaped on.
I'm ALSO going to say - Neighborhood, or small, remote village in say Africa, S.A, India, AK, USA....etc.
I don't think my house has enough power to heat anything to 600*C let alone change its phase at that temp.
This is one of the most refreshing presentations of Actual Innovative and Disrupting Technology that has a REAL Potential to change the world for better! BIG KUDOS to ALL involved! BRAVO!
A perfect and sweetest symphony in energy storage like Beethoven's. Unbelievably incredible!
My sincere salutations to this great man . . .
Great video. Mr. Donald Sadoway is to be resoundingly congratulated for a fab presentation. Very inspiring and thought provoking. Kudos all around.
I would like to see the physical unit that's supplying Power for that building. I'm surprised you guys didn't drill down further on that with regards to kilowatt-hours and energy densities.
I’ve seen some preliminary work long before this went commercial use and the power density was actually better than Lithia Minot I don’t remember the numbers but in the early experiments and I don’t know if it’s the same metals because they were experimenting with the number of combinations of metals to do this but the data is out there. I just think it’s so cool
"I'm surprised you guys didn't drill down further on that with regards to kilowatt-hours and energy densities."
There are plenty of articles which provide some insight into that. Energy density is not amazing, but it is better than lead acid. That's fine for stationary use / grid storage. Given the scale that will be needed for city-scale backkup, we will be talking large warehouses with enormous "thermal containers" to minimize the energy losses due to keeping the batteries hot.
@@rogerramjet6134 Thanks for your input and for putting it into perspective.
Good Golly Molly that's a lot of power if you think of it in terms of more energy dense than lead acid.
@@gregkelmis2435 I think it's hot ;-)
@@chasl3645 Lithium Ion is only about 3x better energy density per weight than lead acid, or about 6x better by volume - but again, for stationary neither is a major consideration once you start contemplating the scale of true grid storage. The big key is the number of life cycles. In 1960, you might only get 300 charge cycles out of lead acid. The best LiIon can get 10-15k life cycles, but are also lifetime capped (so if you don't use all those cycles in 20 years they may go bad anyway). This battery, in theory, may not even have a maximum life nor number of charge cycles.
SSD and Li-ion go for portable devices. Liquid metal battery is more efficient and longer life
Fascinating implications. Not quite a "fuzzy" presentation as Musk. Greatly appreciated. Best wishes Donald Sadoway, the Co-Founder of Ambri. Thank you.
I would like to know the smallest possible size liquid-metal battery for a single-family home, that would be able to retain its heat over a 24-hour cycle and function indefinitely. These batteries make perfect sense for large-scale applications, but how small can they go, practically speaking?
Their prototype was apparently the size of a coffee mug. I can't imagine they'd build a prototype unnecessarily large.
"Pizza sized" I heard years back when I first started watching Sadoway. These two are catching up.
Why would you want a personal home battery?
I mean, you don’t have a mini gasturbine/generator to generate your own electricity either
this question will not be answered, I'll bet!
These batteries are designed for very large scale and static operation.
The questions is similar to can I have my own nuclear power station.