Let me preface by saying I’m a fan of your videos and appreciate your great content!! Just a little clarification from a commercial helicopter pilot… low rotor rpm occurs when you over-pitch the rotor blades, but isn’t always associated with vortex ring state. (Not “vertical ring state”) You cannot get into vortex ring state as long as you have airspeed. Vortex ring state only occurs when you have zero or near zero airspeed and have a descent rate greater than about 300 feet per minute. To be clear, it CAN happen at normal operating rotor rpm as well. Low rotor rpm coupled with vortex ring state usually occurs when a pilot fails to perform the proper corrective action. For example, the pilot is performing a vertical descent, and the helicopter starts descending faster than desired. He incorrectly increases collective pitch to arrest the descent, but the descent rate actually increases and rotor rpm becomes critically low as the blades approach stalling angle of attack. The correct reaction to low rotor rpm which can even happen in forward flight is to simply lower the collective and increase the throttle if you can. When in a vertical descent exceeding roughly 300 ft./min., you can start to get into the vortex ring state, the correct action is to lower the collective pitch and simultaneously gain air speed (in any lateral direction) flying out of the vortex ring. It can also occur if you are in a low ground speed descent with a tail wind. Essentially you are moving forward over the ground, descending, but the air is moving with you so you can still settle into your vortices. One other time that vortex ring state can occur while NOT in a descent, is when in a hover in close proximity to buildings or obstacles. For example hovering a helicopter next to a tall building, cliff, or hanger. The rotor wash does not go down and away from the helicopter but is actually deflected back at the helicopter and can cause vortex ring state to occur even in a stable hover. This is especially dangerous, because it can cause recirculating rotor wash only on the side of the rotor disk closest to the building, that causes a decrease in lift on that side, causing the helicopter to tilt in that direction, and can effectively cause the helicopter to fly itself into the building you are hovering next to!
Thank you very much for the correction and information!! I have no problem being wrong and I really appreciate your experience and knowledge!!! Thanks!!
@@OverkillSimulations Please don’t think it was my intent to “correct” you, so much as to offer you a deeper knowledge of the aerodynamic principles you were describing, so that you and other enthusiasts could enjoy flying with a greater understanding on what forces and effects were at play. You already have a great grasp! I’m definitely not trying to criticize, just enlighten you on some of the finer points!
@@AV8R_1 no no!! I meant every word. I really have no problem being wrong corrected adjusted etc.. I truly love the information and I'm grateful for your input!!!
Hi Mike, I came across this last night & spent 2hrs. trying to get it off the ground. I thought the detail & quality is outstanding. So watching you hoover her like that was very impressive indeed. You made it look easy, man. Great video. Keep it in the blue.
You are not wrong with the taxi practice, I seriously improved my helicopter skills by constant hover taxiing. Love the DCS choppers, nabbed the MSFS Bell 47 the other day, wasn't expecting much this early in development with no official Helicopter support from Asobo but was quite impressed by how good Bell 47 is already. Will probably grab the H145 now and am keeping a close eye on the R44 development.
Asobo needs to touch up Florida in general. Especially the Tampa Bay area like the riverwalk area,Bayshore Blvd, downtown etc. Hopefully a mod creator will take it up. It's a beautiful area.
Vortex ring state actually occurred here with the Osprey. I know of two incidences that it occurred I actually responded to the one in NC. .I am not a pilot but and interested in it, Rotor Wing did an article on vortex ring state and they stated that the airspeed should not drop below 60 knots. I am not a expert nor expect you readers think i am, Just a helicopter fanatic Great video and love them all..
Yep.Loved the H135.Everything AWESOME and FREE!!..RotorSim R44 is a little beast.A lot harder and tricky to fly but that's part of the challenge and FREE also..I sat on the fence for a week or so for the H145..$60 AUD for me in Australia.I have a limit I want to spend.I won't get the DC-6 from PMDG cause that's way above my limit.I bit the bullet on this finally and I'm loving the 145.Pretty much use it for any and all slow flights and to explore!!
Great aircraft 👍😀 looking forward to seeing what's new myself 😊 Ps.the courtesy screen raising and lowering was always there , i used it to crawl through to get at the whisky bottle in the back 😂👍
I'm really enjoying the H145 and was quick to place an order after the work put in to the H135, the FREE, yes some may not know, but the H135 is free. If you already knew, no need to tell me below ;) Any who, the H145 is worth it. A lot of care and attention has gone in to this.
11:05 "vertical ring state" - I think you mean vortex ring state, and it can happen at any altitude. It's also more than just "falling faster than the lift generated by the main rotor": it's a dangerous piece of aerodynamics. When powered on, there's always a set of rotor tip vortexes. But when descending too fast without forward movement, the air coming from below reduces rotor blade efficiency and creates a second set of vortexes at the rotor center. This reduces lift even further, speeding up descend, and reinforces itself. So if you enter VRS you have to act quickly or it becomes unrecoverable. Here's a good video that explains what's going on: ruclips.net/video/P30SyNldEy4/видео.html
I find the ground effect in the 145 to be not as strong as in the 135, and I think in the prior version there may not have been any. I don't know if this is something that has to be programmed into the model or what. I'm kind of curious as to what Asobo needs to add to make the sim "Helicopter" ready in 2022? 🤔
Kind of rough paint line across the top of the white region on the top of the right side door....? You should have invited Rotor SIm Pilot's buddy, "Ben" along for the ride as he knows these Airbuses inside and out, lol.
VRS is for VORTEX ring state, and has nothing to do with rotor RPM. It happens even at full RPM when you allow the helicopter to descend too fast vertically without forward motion (typically below ETL speed) . The aircraft settles into its own recirculating rotor wash “vortex” and will fall faster and faster the more collective pitch you pull. The remedy is to quickly sidestep left or right out of the ring. It’s called the Vuichard Maneuver. You weren’t falling because of VRS, you were falling because you reduced torque, which is what’s keeping you at a hover. And ground effect is not what makes a running take off. That’s ETL. Also, NEVER leave the ground without the FADEC switch guards closed. 😉 I love you bro but you’re not much on helicopters 😂
I was nervous about helicopters and then I read about VRS...yikes, and then to put the cherry on top, that Tail Rotor thing...forgot its name but that was enough to make me stick only to flight sim helicopters, forever...even saw a professional pilot with the Sheriffs office almost lose a chopper with people on board...
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Let me preface by saying I’m a fan of your videos and appreciate your great content!! Just a little clarification from a commercial helicopter pilot… low rotor rpm occurs when you over-pitch the rotor blades, but isn’t always associated with vortex ring state. (Not “vertical ring state”) You cannot get into vortex ring state as long as you have airspeed. Vortex ring state only occurs when you have zero or near zero airspeed and have a descent rate greater than about 300 feet per minute. To be clear, it CAN happen at normal operating rotor rpm as well. Low rotor rpm coupled with vortex ring state usually occurs when a pilot fails to perform the proper corrective action. For example, the pilot is performing a vertical descent, and the helicopter starts descending faster than desired. He incorrectly increases collective pitch to arrest the descent, but the descent rate actually increases and rotor rpm becomes critically low as the blades approach stalling angle of attack. The correct reaction to low rotor rpm which can even happen in forward flight is to simply lower the collective and increase the throttle if you can. When in a vertical descent exceeding roughly 300 ft./min., you can start to get into the vortex ring state, the correct action is to lower the collective pitch and simultaneously gain air speed (in any lateral direction) flying out of the vortex ring. It can also occur if you are in a low ground speed descent with a tail wind. Essentially you are moving forward over the ground, descending, but the air is moving with you so you can still settle into your vortices. One other time that vortex ring state can occur while NOT in a descent, is when in a hover in close proximity to buildings or obstacles. For example hovering a helicopter next to a tall building, cliff, or hanger. The rotor wash does not go down and away from the helicopter but is actually deflected back at the helicopter and can cause vortex ring state to occur even in a stable hover. This is especially dangerous, because it can cause recirculating rotor wash only on the side of the rotor disk closest to the building, that causes a decrease in lift on that side, causing the helicopter to tilt in that direction, and can effectively cause the helicopter to fly itself into the building you are hovering next to!
Wow ..indepth reply and interesting info ..thanks
Thank you very much for the correction and information!! I have no problem being wrong and I really appreciate your experience and knowledge!!! Thanks!!
@@OverkillSimulations Please don’t think it was my intent to “correct” you, so much as to offer you a deeper knowledge of the aerodynamic principles you were describing, so that you and other enthusiasts could enjoy flying with a greater understanding on what forces and effects were at play. You already have a great grasp! I’m definitely not trying to criticize, just enlighten you on some of the finer points!
@@AV8R_1 no no!! I meant every word. I really have no problem being wrong corrected adjusted etc.. I truly love the information and I'm grateful for your input!!!
Hi Mike, I came across this last night & spent 2hrs. trying to get it off the ground. I thought the detail & quality is outstanding. So watching you hoover her like that was very impressive indeed. You made it look easy, man. Great video. Keep it in the blue.
I love this helicopter! I purchased it after your first review, and I've has an absolute blast with it. Best money I've spent on an aircraft yet.
Agreed and same with you 👍🏻😉
nice video. your low rpm warning is high rpm and vice versa. continuous beep tone indicates high rpm and intermitted tone indicates low rpm
You are not wrong with the taxi practice, I seriously improved my helicopter skills by constant hover taxiing. Love the DCS choppers, nabbed the MSFS Bell 47 the other day, wasn't expecting much this early in development with no official Helicopter support from Asobo but was quite impressed by how good Bell 47 is already. Will probably grab the H145 now and am keeping a close eye on the R44 development.
Asobo needs to touch up Florida in general. Especially the Tampa Bay area like the riverwalk area,Bayshore Blvd, downtown etc. Hopefully a mod creator will take it up. It's a beautiful area.
Vortex ring state actually occurred here with the Osprey. I know of two incidences that it occurred I actually responded to the one in NC. .I am not a pilot but and interested in it, Rotor Wing did an article on vortex ring state and they stated that the airspeed should not drop below 60 knots. I am not a expert nor expect you readers think i am, Just a helicopter fanatic Great video and love them all..
Yep.Loved the H135.Everything AWESOME and FREE!!..RotorSim R44 is a little beast.A lot harder and tricky to fly but that's part of the challenge and FREE also..I sat on the fence for a week or so for the H145..$60 AUD for me in Australia.I have a limit I want to spend.I won't get the DC-6 from PMDG cause that's way above my limit.I bit the bullet on this finally and I'm loving the 145.Pretty much use it for any and all slow flights and to explore!!
We use to call ring state settling with power 30 years ago.
I’ve had it happen at about 20ft doing a quick stop and made it out.
Tailwind?
Yep, I love this kit
The update just fine tunes it, it's perfectly done.
Great aircraft 👍😀 looking forward to seeing what's new myself 😊
Ps.the courtesy screen raising and lowering was always there , i used it to crawl through to get at the whisky bottle in the back 😂👍
Lmao!! I love it!
Trees are like that in Florida for some reason in the SIM. I thought the last Americas update would of fixed that.
I'm really enjoying the H145 and was quick to place an order after the work put in to the H135, the FREE, yes some may not know, but the H135 is free. If you already knew, no need to tell me below ;)
Any who, the H145 is worth it. A lot of care and attention has gone in to this.
11:05 "vertical ring state" - I think you mean vortex ring state, and it can happen at any altitude. It's also more than just "falling faster than the lift generated by the main rotor": it's a dangerous piece of aerodynamics. When powered on, there's always a set of rotor tip vortexes. But when descending too fast without forward movement, the air coming from below reduces rotor blade efficiency and creates a second set of vortexes at the rotor center. This reduces lift even further, speeding up descend, and reinforces itself. So if you enter VRS you have to act quickly or it becomes unrecoverable. Here's a good video that explains what's going on: ruclips.net/video/P30SyNldEy4/видео.html
I find the ground effect in the 145 to be not as strong as in the 135, and I think in the prior version there may not have been any. I don't know if this is something that has to be programmed into the model or what.
I'm kind of curious as to what Asobo needs to add to make the sim "Helicopter" ready in 2022? 🤔
Kind of rough paint line across the top of the white region on the top of the right side door....? You should have invited Rotor SIm Pilot's buddy, "Ben" along for the ride as he knows these Airbuses inside and out, lol.
Wait where is FLI… I don’t recognize these MFDs compared to the PFDs and NDs
What do you use for your head tracking? Or are you using VR?
Excellent luxurious powerful machine king of the sky H 145
10:15 - Actually, rotor RPM was too *_low._* Collective was pulled too aggressively, resulting in a too high torque and too low rotor RPM.
how's the flight experience compare to the 135?
VRS is for VORTEX ring state, and has nothing to do with rotor RPM. It happens even at full RPM when you allow the helicopter to descend too fast vertically without forward motion (typically below ETL speed) . The aircraft settles into its own recirculating rotor wash “vortex” and will fall faster and faster the more collective pitch you pull. The remedy is to quickly sidestep left or right out of the ring. It’s called the Vuichard Maneuver. You weren’t falling because of VRS, you were falling because you reduced torque, which is what’s keeping you at a hover. And ground effect is not what makes a running take off. That’s ETL. Also, NEVER leave the ground without the FADEC switch guards closed. 😉 I love you bro but you’re not much on helicopters 😂
Well.. shoot! When I'm wrong I'm wrong lol. Lesson learned! :)
I was nervous about helicopters and then I read about VRS...yikes, and then to put the cherry on top, that Tail Rotor thing...forgot its name but that was enough to make me stick only to flight sim helicopters, forever...even saw a professional pilot with the Sheriffs office almost lose a chopper with people on board...
I'm surprised to see the rotor animation spool up so quickly. It's very out of sync with the turbine srtaup sound.
Fantastico
P.S.... MSFS better bring something REAL special when they get around to Heli's to compete with H/P and Rotor Pilot!!
And I hope by special they know it has to be the one and only ...."Huey500" Eh?
LAVCS = vibration control system
Ouchie $42 to much nope.
ahhh what a whining... lets hear the sounds of the heli to, not only the ble bla bla bla!
£60 for both, lol..