Mountain Man vs. Comanche Warriors : The Killing of Jedediah Smith
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- A legendary mountain man comes out of retirement for one last trip, only to meet a terrifying end.
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Thank you for this ,makes a change to talk about real life and not the pathetic so called celebs that are rammed down our throats.Excellent .
Brave Men never die unless they are Forgotten! Thankyou for your efforts!
Simps conquer brave men!
Definitely one of, if not the best there is, when it comes to western history... amazing work!
Wow, thank you!
I live about ten minutes from the Smith River in Northern Cal. and about half an hour from Jedediah Smith State Park in the Redwoods. Jed Smith traveled by foot and horseback over some of the hardest ground on the planet for years. walking around in the woods here and blazing your own trails is absolutely ball busting hard work. it's sad that he survived so much just to be taken out at the end of his labors. bad luck to be caught in the open just before he was soon to cash in on the European and Eastern American lecture circuit. but he pissed off a whole lot of Indians in his travels and lifted a few scalps as well as inadvertently cost some of his companions to lose their hair too. hell of a story Hoss, many thanks.
Steve, this might be a bit off topic but the area where you live is beautiful beyond words. Out of all the places I traveled in the Navy your area takes the cake. The Grove of Titans in Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park is unbelievable. Just wanted to throw that out there. Best wishes.
@@corysmith8910 I'm pretty fortunate for the many years I have had here Cory. it is a paradise that I kinda take for granted sometimes. I have to remind myself of this once in awhile. we have a great week or so of sunshine coming!
@@steveelder5306 I understand that. Part of the human condition I suppose. Well that’s awesome! I hope you get out and enjoy it.
@@steveelder5306I understand about taking things for granted. A few years ago, I took my American girlfriend to a local cathedral (Lichfield) when she visited me in England. I'd seen it many times but only in passing when I was there on business, and mostly using it as a reference point to find where I needed to be. As soon as she saw it, she burst into tears. That made me look at it with fresh eyes, and I saw it in all it's more than 1000 year old magnificence. I hope to visit your part of America one day. It sounds truly amazing
Great story.
I've read everything about Jedidiah Smith since I was 12.
Well done, as always.
Thanks for the story of jedadiah smith, i knew of him by reputstion but never knew he came to such a sad end. An amazing man to have done a he did so young. Greetings from Kilkenny, R.O.I 🇮🇪
Greetings friend and thank you for watching!
This is probably the best and most accurate accounting I have seen on RUclips about the death of Jedidiah Smith. I have read and researched the history of the fur trade and the mountain men for my own interest in the subject as well as accuracy in my work (artist). One of my best friends and his wife live on the Shoshone/Arapaho reservation at Fort Washakie, Wyoming and my friend, a sculptor who's work can be seen at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center and Museum, The Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum and the U.S Congressional Hall of Statues. Richard Greeves was also a noted historian on the fur trade, mountain men and especially the Native Americans who were his main subject. I would stay with them on my trips during the summer while researching, painting on location and photographing most of the places where the fur trade did so much of their exploring and trapping. I was privileged to learn so much from Richard and his bringing all the books to life. For anyone interested, there are a few books I do recommend. "A Majority of Scoundrels" by Don Berry. This has a lot of the Ashley-Henry men and a lot of Jedediah Smith. The history book "Across The Wide Missouri" by Bernard DeVoto (Not the fictional book made into a movie many years ago). Osborne Russell Journal Of A Trapper . Osborne Russell gives a first hand account of the fur trade but he came west after Smith was dead, but there is some excellent accounts of other events that happened, as well as some interesting observances on some tribes the Fur trappers encountered. Russell was a fairly well educated man for his time period. "Bill Sublette Mountain Man" by John E. Sunder. And of course "Jedediah Smith No Ordinary Mountain Man" by Barton H. Barbour University of Oklahoma Press. These are only a small amount of excellent books on mountain men and the fur trade. Most can be found in different university press. I can't say which ones without going through my personal library which is quite extensive. Sorry, but maybe Amazon or www.abebooks.com or Thrift books. And two great books for background of this period of history are " Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" and "Black Elk Speaks" and if you really want to get into this period of American history of course is "The Journals Of Lewis and Clark" All of these are great reads and have real accounts better than anything Hollywood can come up with.
Great recommendations thanks
thank you
Taming the Wild West was on u-tube for a long time,,,,,,,it cost 70 to 90 dollars if you want to buy it,,,,thats too much. Its a Great movie about Jedadiah,,,i watched it alot when it was on u-tube
I work in ft Washakie (:
@@jakedavid8187 Did you know Richard Greeves? He was a wonderful sculptor.. He lived there most of his life. He passed away last year but I think his wife still lives there. I never remember the road he lived on but it was a store at one time and is just a short ways up from the post office and you can see parts of the old Ft Washakie.
A very sad & lonely end, but a tale **most eloquently** told… That was a genuine privilege to watch & listen to… THANK YOU VERY MUCH for researching it & sharing it. 🤝
A wolf does not pitty his end.....
@@robertfleming387 yeah, I thought it was a beautiful end. Whenever you get ganged up upon,
To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,…
He believed in adventure and lived it to the last. He killed the chief in a split second. it was bad medicine and was his best chance. The war party would have done well to question him before attacking. They lost their chief and didn’t even get to keep his pistols. But we all are limited by the tools in our toolbox
Well told and moving. That was excellent thank you.
Your channel is superb and this story is full of sought after details about Jedediah Smith, one of my all time great favorite characters. Thanks a million for your great coverage and details. I’m subscribed, thanks.
Thank you!!
Great video on the legendary Moutain Man. Truly he lived an incredible life in his short 32 yrs. To see what he saw with his own eyes. That would have been incredible. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Living in NW South Dakota, where the Sioux lived and hunted for centuries before I was born, this sort of true history is so very welcome. All around me the current "experts" on Indian life tell us that we must honor their past, and should be giving up our lands to return them to the surviving Sioux, your history answers NO! We fought hard for this land in the past, our ancestors knew the Indian for what they were, and fought them where necessary to tame this land and make it ours. All around the world, if you study History, you will find that the Strong push the weaker peoples from the land and take it as their own. This is the way of man, and must be remembered.
Not to mention the Sioux killed off a lot of the other tribes to take over the Black Hills. Maybe they should give their rez back to those tribes.
Two or three Centuries. At most.
Lakota. There is no Sioux Tribe.
So if they come kidnap you and take your shit then its all good?
Your narrative is amazing ! So eloquent !
Thank you for the fascinating stories.
Thank you!
Great story…!
Jeremiah Johnson & The Revenant ( Hugh Glass Reference)
2 of my favorite movies….
Well Done……Thank you !
Great documentary, well done! One inconstancy I find is the story says he left the Comancheros heading south for a few miles to Wagon Bed Springs. The Cimerron river runs East to West pretty much at that place. Looking west from the river it heads slightly Southwest. The point to all this is the Wagon bed Springs is only a quarter of a mile South at best from the river. Can't imagine the river had changed course over the years as it has been mostly dried up for years, and all the land around it is several hundred feet higher in elevation. I pass by this every week in my travels and is located about 7 miles South of present day Ulysses, KS. The state has put up a historical maker next to the highway commemorating the event. Always when I drive by I always look towards the West and think of him...
Thank you for this. Merry Christmas Sir and family. Best Wishes ~
Thank you for telling his story.
Another good video bro. Keep them coming bro.
Thank you for watching! New videos out this week!
Man o man!!! Another amazing documentary. Thank you for your hard work. God bless
We love ya Charlie!
@@historyattheokcorral thank you 👍
These videos are great 👍🏻 so happy I just found this channel.
Absolutely awesome video, I always enjoy and feel inspired by your stories of the mountain men . Smiths story is such a fantastic tale of adventure and courage that I feel it should be told to all young men around the world. What a true example of what a man should be . It's difficult to imagine a man like that living and dieing any other way . Thank you for your great work , God bless you brother.
Thank you and God bless you!!
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I agree that Jedidiah Smith lived a man &, when push came to shove, he sold his life dearly. He was ambushed & shot in the back, and took one of his attackers with him.
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has it under voluntary control." - Jordan Peterson
these great series deserved a major channel on TV..but since this is not a 'reality' show that will not happen..but i extend my gratitude and likes to your research and efforts..
We are the new TV.
Another entertaining episode H.OK.C. Inspiring too. In so far as I've added American Western History to my book collection.
And I must say, I am amazed, at the quantity/quality available. I stick primarily to Primary Source material, as I've found modern history books are too much hard work.
For every nugget of information, I had to sift through about 2 metres (whatever that is in your feets and incheses) of undiluted 'sludge'.
Relatively inexpensive books too. Although don't get me started on postage costs. Any'ow, again, well done to all.
Thats how most history works though unfortunately. And thatd be roughly 6 feet or so, so thats a lot!
@@historyattheokcorral Very true H.O.K.C. I've yet to read any History book (mine go back to the 18th century) that I didn't detect
some degree of prejudice and differing degrees of academic rigour. To which, I can only imagine the processes involved in putting an H.O.K.C. Episode together.
But the 'sludge' I referred to was Hysteria. This being directly proportionate to the lack of evidence.
To which, George Orwell's quote: Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past, control the future. Again, I appreciate your work.
The Comanche couldn't afford to share their limited water, probably a dry time but also traders are followed by zealot missionaries,are followed by soldiers. Traders a and missionaries are followed by invasion
The heartless cruelty of the Comanches is horrible. I'm amazed at how nonchalantly we listen to stories of their atrocities and aren't moved to grieve the victims and don't feel outrage at the senselessness of it. I don't think any group should get a pass on systemic cruelty to others.
Is there anything more fascinating than History?
Is there any History more fascinating than the American West?
Greetings from the Land Downunder! 🇦🇺❤️🇺🇸.
Greetings and thank you for watching!
Very thorough and interesting research....TY
Just found your channel!
Real joy....... More please
Such a fantastic channel 👏👏👏
Thank you so much 😀
" Half alligator, half preacher!" A quote from a mountain man that knew him....
Another great story to tell !
We hope to half the channel you are!
Look forward to your drops, always perfect.
Thanks for tuning in!
A legendary end for a legendary person. If only everyone could be so fortunate.
Thanks for the video!
Any relation? 🧐
@@historyattheokcorral What Smith wouldn't want to be able to make that claim? 🤣
So I say, If not by blood then maybe by spirit.
Wouldn't we all like to have some of that bravery and adventurous daring that Jedediah Smith had.
Great video.
This would probably be the best channel on RUclips even without the music. But the soundtrack is so good, it makes it undisputed. Been listening since November and it already feels nostalgic. Keep it up plz!
Thank you very much!!
Great story love the American wild west stories Australia has its own stories as well probably not as colorful as the wild west but it was just as hash for the explorers love your work
One important element of Comanche and Kiowa violence was the fact that in 1800, a mission paid them a ransom to return captured individuals. This created a culture of capture and ransom that continued until the U.S. ended its side of it in 1866. This led to more violent captures and the resultant Indian Wars throughout the West. Not that violent captures had not occurred previously. They had. The Cynthia Parker case is famous but there were many that were bad or worse. Cynthia Parker saw her family raped and butcher b before her eyes before being carried off as a child. A very good record of Indian Capture history is "A Fate Worse than Death," by Gregory and Susan Michno.
As Always, Fascinating and Illuminating!!!!
Well done , perfect narration 🤠👍
Well-written. Along with Joseph Walker, William Henry Ashley, Wm. Sublette, David Jackson, Jim Beckwourth, Jim Bridger, Hugh Glass and probably another dozen others whose names are lost to posterity, Jedediah Smith’s name and story remains etched into the annals of Rocky Mountain, Far West and SW US History. Even as a traveler among legendary trappers and explorers, Smith stood Head & Shoulders above his peers. A Life Wild and Perilous by Robert Utley is a very good history of these people and their exploits.
Jerimiah Johnson
Another great interesting historical story, much appreciated from an Aussie fan ❤
We've got some Aussie stories comin... 👍🏻
@@historyattheokcorral Awesome!!
Wagon bed springs is about 10 miles south of my hometown of Ulysses, KS. It is on the Cimmarron river. Not really much there. We used to go camping out there when we were kids. I think he (Jed Smith) was actually killed 2-3 miles east and south of there.
Nicely narrated.👍
Great History / Story telling ..... Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you!!
Excellent vidya!!
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Very well done! Liked and subscriberd for more episodes.
Best History teacher!
Another great video. Thank you.
Crazy how Jedidiah Smith didn't follow the Humboldt River across Nevada yet still made it...
This entire channel gives Blood Meridian vibes!
Many people dont realize how the Comanche tribe was formed. It started as a Band of Eastern Shoshone, that migrated to the Southern Plains from Wyoming. They were not a tribe originally from the Southern Plains.
Wow. Are you family.
@@kennongoff82 Nope. I am Mescalero.
Very true, it was land of the Apache until the Spanish brought horses. They were tired of the Apache raiding and killing them since the plains were so called land of the “higher class” due to the Buffalo herds. Once the Comanche obtained strayed horses, they mastered horse back and vowed to demolish the Apache off the plains. Leading to the last band of the Apache so called the Lipan Apache being pushed out of south texas.
@@justinclassified6224 They also absorbed many bands of Kiowa/plains Apache. This increased their number rapidly.
Colorado Springs has a Jedidiah Smith Street in a nice subdivision
Great documentary. I often drive down to Santa Fe from MN and try to imagine what it was like just 15 decades ago. The biggest trials I have are where to get coffee, where to pee, or where to find a nice motel that will let my corgi stay overnight with me.
Every generation has their challenges. 🙏🏻
Brilliant, thank you!
The Jedidiah Smith statue is in San Dimas CA.
"There has never been a more expansive or interesting american life", "like one star among billions in the night sky" yup
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I wonder if we have people like this anymore.
As I sit here and listen, I think we still have them.
They are just in places where we don't notice.
Should things go bad for America, they will come to the fore.
Fantastic video
What's the song you play in your vids?
Jeddidiah Smith is an icon
Great story cheers .
Beautiful commentary.
Man i love these videos
Thank you! We love making them.
Thank you for keeping this country connected to it’s past when it seems the current powers that be seek to sever us from any sense of National identity
Just finished his book , fantastic read !
Great video. You’re an awesome storyteller.
Thank you for watching!
You tell a great story.
Another well presented an exciting story of the American western frontier
Thank you friend! We're a fan of yours and always look forward to your comments. Glad this met your approval!!
Well, perhaps a little late, but your upload is appreciated
I first heard of Jedediah Smith from “into the west” mini series.
The Comanche ran one of the largest trade networks on the plains. Horses and slaves were traded all over the plains and Mexico.
More coming on this.
@@historyattheokcorral
Be sure to specify the names of the slaves The Numunu had.
-COMANCHE NATION
@13:13 Is this the same Fitzpatrick that left Hugh Glass alone to die?
My early American hero has always been Jim Bowie, very interesting and exciting life.
I would love to know more about the man mentioned named Jackson. He could be the man that the creek through my grandfathers ranch is named after that flows south into the Beaver River. The Grove across the river is named Hollands Grove and the story told to me at 2 men were killed by Comanche and that is how the creek and grove got there names!!
Jackson Hole in Wyoming is named for Davy Jackson.
Not everything is about you
@@MrShanester117well it sure is not about you. What kind of jerk makes a comment like that?
Well done. 👍
A Warrior's death is its own reward. Smith lived a man and died a man. Which is the best any soldier can hope for. "One glorious crowded hour of glory is worth an age without a name." Lt.Col. William Barrett Travis, Alamo Commanding Officer.
A fascinating story. An equally entertaining true tale written a few years later was Life in the Far West, by George Frederick Ruxton. The best ever in my opinion and true too.
Where did you find all the artwork for the slideshow? Who are the artists and photographers? Every image is eye-catching
And at least he took out the highest value target he could on the way out.
‘I’m not sayin’ I can’t be had…..
……but I’m expensive.’
He did not go gentle into the light.
Thr Numunu did not have one Chief lol
We had 9.
That's why we are still alive and well
-COMANCHE NATION
Ho, the best one I saw about Jed Smith on RUclips. 😮 I know he was killed with spears or lances .There was a old television series in Germany translated hell journeys and they named the Kiowa as killers .Tom Fitzpatrick the broken hand ? Hope you survived Munnich .Best Regards Ludwig .
Hey Ludwig! We're looking into Fitzpatrick as Bad Hand thing. We've never heard of the Kiowa as killers narrative, but its certainly possible they were part of the group or even the maJority. Do you know any good books/leads on Fitzpatrick?? God bless from TX!
@@historyattheokcorral The Berrybender Narratives by McMurtry.
@@historyattheokcorral Fitzpatrick and Bridger left Glass behind after the bear attack as far as I know.
5:34 First known picture of Keith Richards.
The lower Umpqua Indians only attacked one time, that was Smith and his party. They played it off as if the tribe just went crazy because they wanted everything the party had. I believe the tribe attacked because someone crossed a line. Possibly raped a girl? The lower Umpqua and Siuslaw people did not take slaves and did not force marriages. These peoples believed in personal rights. And the only time these tribes were engaged in war was against a Chinook slave raiding party where the confederated tribes killed almost every Chinook raider who came that day. Years later the Chinook wanted peace and the Siuslaw refused as they were now mortal enemies because the Chinook had attempted to steal their loved ones. So I imagine someone in Smiths party crossed a line and the entire party was nearly killed.
All the tribes believed in manifest destiny. They exercised it on each other all the time. That's how the Sioux ended up in the Dakotas. They were pushed out NW, and eastern Mn into them. They in turn conquered their way west much to the displeasure of the Crow and other tribes that were already there. Americans were just another tribe in the contest albeit and far more technilogicly advanced one.
P.S. To avoid confusion, there exists a SMITH RIVER in Northern California, AND another SMITH RIVER near Reedsport, OREGON.
Good point. Thanks for adding that!
what great story, my thoughts and prayers for his family, someone needs to write a book about the adventures he went through during a bygone time when the law of the land led people into the new era
A Life Wild and Perilous by Robert Utley is that book. A very good read.
What an adventure his life has been
When the Comancheros say you will not be able to avoid them.
What do you do?
He had the presence of mind at least to take out their leader.
"Corroborated with their own eyewitness accounts."
Complex dynamic that the comancheros could trail him, being allowed to do so by the Comanche. They knew he would not survive, and if he did, they wanted to see it.
We are not called Comancheros.
And we didn't have one leader
-COMANCHE NATION
Not to be confused with the rocking chair-ious...
@@thechiefwildhorse4651yes the comancheros are called comancheros
and the Comanche are called Comanche
and the hunting party did have a leader.
you do know how to erupt,
but do you comprehend the terms of a video when you observe it?
That southern plains photo in the beginning looked like western Colorado.
He lived an epic life. Prayers to him and his family.
It seems like, the Comancheros offered him no water and only pointed him to a spring a few miles away.
Perceptive.
@@historyattheokcorral lol
What happened to the guy he left to dig the mud hole...
The force is strong with this one
GREAT NARRATION
I would like to see his Memoirs and Maps Published..
Smith was always wanted his men to travel in groups when they went away from the main party in order to be safe in case of attacks by Indians. Never made sense why he broke his own rule especially in territory controlled by the Comanche.
True legend
If only he returned after the warning from the Comancheros. What a life lived regardless!
Love your work! Thank you!
I have a question that I'd like to get to the bottom of. I read Crow killer when I was a kid and it told the story of Jeremiah Johnson. It claimed he died in Redlodge Montana in 1904 but another book, Mountain Men, told a story of Sam something and claimed that the story of liver eating Johnson was partially based on Sam and that he was the real Crow killer. The story of Sam is one hell of a story. Jedediah Smith is also a great story.
I have read Johnson was a civil war veteran- he died at/near UCLA in Los Angeles. He was buried in the VA Cemetery right next to the campus of UCLA. I tried to find his grave but was told he was moved to Cody, Wyoming where he now rests in the tourist attraction of old cabins and historic antiques. His first name wasn't Jedediah- (that was the movie with Robert Redford).
Sam Minard was a work of fiction based on fact. Vardis Fisher should be added to anyone's reading List who loves this era of our Life!
@@IntheBlood67 Oh, see, I didn't know that. Minard was the last name. So what of Jeremiah Johnson? Who was the Crow killer?
@@argonaught5666 John(liver eating) Johnson. His partner was Del Gue who featured in the movie with Jeramiah Johnson/a fictional movie character based on fact.
@@IntheBlood67 I realize that but who was the real liver eater?
We live near the mouth of the Umpqua River, near Reedsport, Oregon. on the Umpqua River. Deported as an illegal alien from Los Angeles, California, Jedediah Smith's traveling group was massacred there by the UMPQUA tribe. He escaped, as i learned, because he was reconnoitering up the Smith River by canoe as the killing and looting took place. Somehow he managed to canoe eastward, upriver, then portage overland to the Row River, then float it north to the Willamette River and continue, northward, to float all the way to the Columbia River and the Hudson Bay Company fort at Vancouver, Washington (directly across the river from present day Portland, Oregon)! Jedidiah Smith's exploits are well worth researching and sadly end on the trail to Santa Fe.
I'm not sure.But he killed a chief, and they killed him quickly.
They're notorious for being cruel but killed him quickly, I wonder if he gained any respect for killing their chief. that made them not kill him in the most sadistic manner
It ain't forgotten anymore mate. I'm in tassie on the other side of the world, and I've learnt heaps more about smith's, glass an bridges type hombres from these type of podcasts. Even the youngin's love it once ya get 'em interested. Gotta tell 'em bout the bears an "Indians" first, get em excited.
Jebediah Smith,
an adventuring man with yondering his being..
I learn something new from this video. And for that I thank you. Jedadiah Smith was a brave man, so were the Indians. Thanks again for the great video. Much appreciated Sir
Were they thought? 15 people attacking 1 speaks of fear, not bravery :) If they were brave, they would have offered 1 on 1 combat and if he wins - he can leave.
@@cl1cka so chivalrous, as John Steinbeck said if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck....fair fights are never fair, so always stack the deck against death......
@@robertfleming387 Sure. But then don't call people who go in 15 vs 1 "brave".
Smart - yes.
Brave - no.
You local "gangsters" fight the same way :)
@@cl1cka who said they were Brave? Buuuut, it takes courage to face a weapon...I have seen several men that are tough until they have to face someone with a weapon...or even without...🤔
@@robertfleming387 The comment I was replaying to, said they were brave......