Man Facing Execution Pens Chilling Letter Full Of Truths You Can't Deny
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- "A death row inmate scheduled to be put to death later this month compared prison sentences to slavery in a stinging indictment of the US judicial system.
Ray Jasper, a Texas inmate, submitted his letter to media blog Gawker. Jasper was convicted for participating in the 1998 robbery and murder of recording studio owner David Alejandro and sentenced to death as a teen.
Gawker initially reached out to all death row inmates with scheduled executions this year back in December 2013. In January it published a letter Jasper wrote in response, detailing his experience on death row."* The Young Turks hosts Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break it down.
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Even if he didn't write a letter I can tell you right now that he doesn't deserve the death penalty. He didn't kill anyone, it's as simple as that. He probably deserves prison time (which he already served), not the death penalty. We have a man who didn't kill anyone who is going to die, then we have Zimmerman who we know for a fact murdered a teenage boy and he got off AND got his guns back. This country's justice system is FUCKED UP.
Shooting someone and murdering someone are 2 vastly different things.
SJGibbons1000 Oh im sorry, I must have missed the part where they proved there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll.
SJGibbons1000 He shot and killed Trayvon Martin, this is an indisputable fact.
and than we have cops shooting people 100+ times when they have no weapon, and than the cops will get paid vacation while there buddies "investigate" them... don't forget about the teenage boy, who was driving drunk, STOLE from a store, and crashed while drunk, killing 4 people and badly harming 2 more... and he just got 10 years probation... then theres this guy kills no one and gets death penalty while the person who actually killed the guy gets life from the same case... lol
SJGibbons1000 yes we do, there are no doubts about it, he followed and stalked a teenage boy, then he tried to intimidate the kid. the kid tried to defend himself with his fists and the coward shot him. he is not in jail only because of some fucked up law was used as an excuse. here in Texas he would have been rightfully executed
Bingo, America's private prison system is a business, not justice.
No doubt about it!
Multi billion dollar business
🙌🏽 THAT PART!
13th amendment .
Its punishment for people that do crime . They do crime cause they don't want to work so they force them to work lazy bumbs
We need to abolish private prisons. His words were 100% spot on
I would like to do more than abolish it. Get rid of a lot of laws.
Preach
Why are you talking about private prisons, I work at the prison where all texas death row inmates are held. I can assure you they are not in a private prison. I am a state employee.
i think so too
Definitely, private prisons are a set-up and they are doing whatever it takes to make sure to keep them filled which puts more money in their pockets. Disgusting!
When someone tells you they aren't the same person they were 20 years ago, they're telling you the truth in every way that counts. For that matter, you aren't the same person you were 20 minutes ago. We are the sum of our experiences and decisions. When they killed Ray Jasper, they weren't killing the man who committed that crime.
If you want vengeance, then call it that. But don't call it justice. That has been a very rare commodity for some time now.
The Black Johnny Gat Perhaps. It would have been more humane. But when I read comments like yours, I realize that what separates you and him isn't virtue. It's fear of getting caught. Many harbor a secret fantasy that it will somehow be socially acceptable one day to shoot someone for stealing your parking space at the mall. The same bloodlust is responsible for most murder, whether it's done by an individual, or by the State.
Michael Powers Maybe but so what? A fantasy doesn't hurt anyone unless you are really comparing daydreams to murder, which has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read on RUclips in a long time
The Black Johnny Gat You missed my point so thoroughly and completely that I wonder whether you're being obtuse, or you're really that stupid.
Michael Powers No your point is stupid and wrong. I wouldnt do what he did regardless as I value human life an abhor violence, but even if it was fear of being caught it is still irrelevant. You are somehow trying to lesing the impact of what he has done by atacking me
The Black Johnny Gat Go back and look at your first comment. You don't abhor violence. You just don't like getting your hands dirty.
What a bizarre system of justice where the killer can negotiate a life sentence but an accomplice is killed.
Barbaric systems of justice always yield bizarre results.
Government approved killings.... SICK world....
Killing people is wrong. Period. Killing people in the name of Justice? That is SICK.
It's because once one person confesses, there is no incentive for the government to negotiate with the other parties.
This is another case that clearly illustrates why the death penalty should be abolished. The actual killer plea-deals for a life sentence while the accomplice--who didn't kill anyone--is to be killed for the killing the other man did. The death penalty in this country, and Texas, in particular, is unevenly applied, and in some cases--like this one--it's insane. Fewer whites receive death than do people of color. And, worst of all, many people over the years, up to the present, have been hung, shot, electrocuted, gassed, or poisoned to death for crimes they did not commit, who were innocent of any wrongdoing.
The Innocence Project has succeeded in having the convictions of dozens of death row inmates overturned through the use of DNA and other recent advances in forensic science. If not for them, those people would've been killed by the state as well.
When you kill someone, somehow saying "Oops! Silly us, we made a mistake" is damned little comfort to that person's surviving family and loved ones, and of no use at all to the one you put in the ground.
Donate to the Innocence Project. I do yearly. They are the real deal.
I'm a retired prison administrator from California, and the guy nails it. Prisons are in fact modern day slavery. In CA the average inmate wage is 20 USD per month and that's for a 40 dollar work week. The courts system is systemically racist. The jury system is severely flawed and racist. Solitary confinement can and often does make people crazy and far more dysfunctional than they ever were or could be minus that type of confinement. Isolation is sometimes necessary, however how that isolation takes place and is managed is very important. There surely should be no private prisons and there should be no profits associated with the system of incarceration.
It's called the Legal system because it Damm sure ain't Justice...
Shawn Martin wow!!!
It may be a tough concept to get your mind across, but the key towards lowering crime is to...listen to criminologists. Shocking, eh? As a former criminology student, I can comfortably say that just about 90% of criminologists do not advocate for "tough on crime" as an effective means of deterrence. Most criminologists will advocate for more 1) prison education programs--trades, college, etc and 2) more community outreach programs. If kids love their community, they won't want to do harm to it.
But unfortunately, neither of those programs are particularly popular campaign slogans.
Mareșalul Alexandru Averescu.
Let me address your points one by one. There's a lot here I disagree with.
1) So let everyone go loose
- You've committed a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy. It's not "lock everyone up" or "let everyone go". There is a lot of grey in the middle between super hardcore tough-on-crime and never locking anyone up ever...
2) The life you take without justification has a price, your own.
- Here is a list (in order of highest) of State mandated executions per capita.
1. Iran
2. Iraq
3. Saudi Arabia
*4. USA*
5. Yemen
6. Sudan
7. Afghanistan
8. Gambia
Notice a trend? Basically, all the countries you don't want to live in. Canada, Australia, and Western Europe has abolished the death penalty quite some time ago. Time for the US to join us.
3) As for community outreach, its there
- I don't think you understand humans...you can't just offer a program and expect people to jump on board. We have to spend a lot of money on education and spreading awareness. By the way, still *much cheaper* than prisons and courts.
4)prison education programs are accessible from any major U.S prison, but I don't see that in itself curbing violent crime
- Poverty is a contributing cause to crime, primarily, property crime, but all crimes really. If you don't acknowledge that then there's no use in explaining anything else.
andy le Thank you for these comments. We need more people in YT (and society in general) that have a constructive, intelligent, progressive, and well-articulated view and solutions for society's problems.
andy le In other words, criminologists endorse the 'Hug a Thug' policy as a means of deterrence?
Alex Korova Sarcastic tough guy.
Tommy Kelly Lol.....is that all you've got, Irish whiner? You must be one of those clueless Hug-a-Thug dolts.
"The only reason for solitary confinement is if they're a threat to other prisoners"
Except that it's been proven that solitary only makes people more violent.
+SpadaccinoLuciano NOPE IT IS A PUNISHMENT. BEING AWAY FROM SOCIAL STIMULI AFFECTS THE MIND. tHATS WHY LONELY PEOPLE ARE USUALLY DEPRESSED
+The Black Johnny Gat No shit.
The Black Johnny Gat
It's obviously a punishment, but the goal of prisons should be to reform and rehabilitate, not just punish.
SpadaccinoLuciano But who says they arent doing that? This thread was purely about solitary confinement, what really can you do when you are already in the place someone has been sent to for punishment and they break the rules? I doubt there really are many humane methods that would be an adequate detterent or punishment to the criminals already there.
Also your first comment wasnt even worded in a way that suggested you accepted or was aware of the other uses of solitray confinement hence why i messaged, only for your sarcastic response.
the fault lies with the wording of your first comment not me
+The Black Johnny Gat So you think literally mentally TORTURING someone is okay? A Prison should confine people who are a threat so society and rehabilitate them.
Not torture them until they go utterly insane.
America, supposedly the most "civilised" country in the world, still has the death sentence... WTF?!?
Nic Stroud Ha I also live in Europe- I said "supposedly". If you can't detect the sarcasm then more fool you
Yeah... Lived there (UK) for 25 years ... You call America uncivilized? Then you are going through life with your eyes shut mate! I left the UK because of the uncivilized thuggish behaviour displayed in almost every walk of life there. The schools in particular which are turning some wonderful specimens out onto the streets, The "Justice" system that gives a slap on the wrist for GBH, Burglary, Rape etc, and turns the perpetrators back out into the streets and onto the decent humans trying to live there. I could go on and on, there are a myriad of examples that the UK and other European countries are far from civilized. So get off your high horse and quit fooling yourself!!
The death penalty is wrong
On every level
MeaniJeani Beani no,you want to know what is wrong?Giving dirtbags free room and board on the tax payers dime.
Johnny Killing for justice is'nt justice
Jayson Kerr I like the way you think. The system is broken either way.
MeaniJeani Beani What's worse is life imprisonment. With a life sentence, you're a dead man walking for decades at tax payer expense. Existing in degradation within a feral environment with no hope. I'd rather be executed.
Death isn't justice for death it's only vengeance and rehabilitation is bullshit.
don't call prison that prison is prison you don't go in hoping to change
There is no reason for the death penalty beyond revenge. Our laws should not be based on revenge
Then how about basing them on not wanting shitty people in our society
BradTheAmerican You can do that without having the state kill people.
BradTheAmerican Explain to me who your "shitty" people are? I'd assume you are referring to Murderers?
Pedophiles, rapists, why do none of these people ever get the Death penalty? I'd find it hard for any American to make a case whey those people should be in our society or why they only serve a max of 5 years or at most 2 for their crimes.
Why do Bankers and wallstreet big shots who bankrupted or country pushing hundreds to suicide why have they not been punished? HELL Bank of Ameirca fought an ELDERLY VET in court to forclose on his home when they DIDN'T OWN HIS MORGAGE. Who owned it? THE ELDERLY MAN. He literally died in court from a stress related heart attack. NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON CHARGED OR REMOVED FROM SOCIETY.
So I say again, who are the "shitty" people to you and why the hell do you only get to chose who lives or dies?
I disagree, I am an officer and I agree with almost everything here. But there are definitely people who do not wish to be rehabilitated. They are a constant danger to other human beings. Sexual predators and some killers. But those should be a small group.
Chad Critser I didn't choose. I didn't realize that I made the rules regarding sentencing of pedophiles, rapists, and wall street bankers. I guess we really do learn new things every day.
the usa is actually quite a 3rd world country in most respects.
I live in a 3rd world country..believe me, my third world country is better than the US in many aspects
I'm from a third world country, Jamaica, we don't have death penalty.
@@mysmallspace6068 well Jamaica could use it to empty out a few cells of those degenerates, sucking tax money.
One ideology that needs to be addressed is the ability of any employer in the U.S.A. to discriminate against any person who has already served his/her time. This is one of the only permissible forms of discrimination allowed in the U.S.A.
we should make businesses hire convicts....
B Wiser I wouldn't say businesses should be forced to hire "convicts" . I'm saying that they should even know that you are a convict in the first place. I know my opinion sounds absurd, but the system in it's current state is flawed, and costly.
***** i believe there are some systems and programs giving extra bonuses to companies that hire ex-cons
***** Your opinion is not absurd at all. A convict has served his time and has been deemed worthy of reintegrating into society. Allowing business to discriminate against ex cons.. is an added punishment.
Well said
Talking about the slaves being put in a physical hole.... In the prison system what do they call solitary confinement ?!?! THE HOLE!
Great connection
If the actual murderer avoids the death penalty and gets life instead, then the guy who stood next to him should too.
First, he didn't just "stand next to him". He CUT THE VICTIM'S THROAT FROM EAR TO EAR. Second, he WAS also offered life just like the other guy, but he opted for a trial, which is why he got death. Third, there was no gunshot like this moron Cenk described. It was a much more horrific murder done by knife. You should read the facts instead of listening to two idiots praising this pig's letter that never once mentions an apology for his crime and just complains about his punishment and the hardships of being black.
Paul stevenson It's in the police report, numbnuts, look it up before you're enchanted by this sociopathfuck's letter.
If the State kills a person, you are killing that person. If the State is using slave labor then you are enjoying the results of slave labor. If the police trample civil rights then YOU are trampling your own civil rights by allowing these things to occur. How simple does it have to be before people understand? That's how it works. Honest People are key.
gas hegone
PostModernPrick So the "masses" listen to you comrade?
PostModernPrick Same here, I'll try to keep my temper in check. THX
It's funny how TYT didn't mention that Ray Jasper slit this guys throat, and the accomplice finished him off with a gun shot. I hope the family sleeps better in a couple of weeks knowing Mr. Jasper no longer breathes the same air they do.
But a rich white boy can kill 4 people and permanently paralyze another? Fuck outta here!
B Sams What does that have to do with this?
I think whether or not Ray Jasper should be executed for his crime wasn't really the point that they tried to make. The point was the letter that he wrote that touched on fundamental problems in US justice system.
The jury is selected to get the verdict the judge wants.
The real question is which Judges hold stock in those corporations that run prisons!
The Government: lets teach people that killing is wrong by killing them
You think people like this should run free do you ? nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Martin_(zaak-Dutroux)
what does being free have to do with killing people, it is possible to keep criminals away from society without killing them.
Firstmate101 Typos happen, you stupid fuck.
Laitharex
The irony.
YOu guys are pathetic making excuses for murderers if this guy murdered you wouldnt be making such stupid comments lol
Death sentence seems a bit excessive in this case... Some fucking kid can kill 4 people while drunk driving, but he's sent to a holiday resort for "rehabilitation", because he has affluenza, while this guy gets death penalty for this. *sigh*
***** TYT misrepresented the situation. While this dude didn't kill the victim. he DID slash the victim's throat and held him while his henchman stabbed the victim 25 times (because he wasn't dying quickly enough). He was also the mastermind of the robbery.
Watch TYT's follow up video. They're backpedalling all the way in that one. They probably did this story based on a liberal source penned by a Spike Lee fan who glossed over the fact that Jasper was the leader and cut the victim's throat. I'm about as liberal as they come, but I also believe in researching the facts. Lately, I've noticed TYT moving deeper and deeper into the liberal echo chamber. Not a good thing.
The1980Philip Yeah, well, I don't remember them saying he's innocent or anything like that. I don't see how this info you are giving changes anything though.
Audrius Kliukas
Uhhh, not including what exactly he did is just as bad as them saying he's innocent. He could be just another black man that got there based on corruption and racism otherwise, huh?
But no. He's a straight up cold blooded killer.
Audrius Kliukas "Yeah, well, I don't remember them saying he's innocent or anything like that."
They didn't, but in this video TYT clearly had no idea what had really happened. Cenk was talking about 'shooting', whereas the means of execution was stabbing. TYT obviously didn't even TRY to trace the case file. They just blindly believed their source, which implied that Jasper was just a bystander. Mind you, Texas DOES give harsher punishments to African Americans, and Texas DOES convict plenty of innocent African Americans. This guy isn't innocent, nor is his punishment excessive.
I DO agree that the afluenza incident is horrible, and yes, a poor African American teenager might have ended up on death row for doing something like that. But all of that doesn't change that TYT fucked up by no fact checking before they ran this story.
The1980Philip Well, if you have taken away from the video that he was just innocent bystander, then it's your problem. I certainly haven't.
Also having read what "actually happened", I still think the punishment is too excessive and I'm in favor of death penalty for the most part.
It's the Usual Suspects doing the same thing. The Government/Corporate Penitentiary Industrial Complex is the criminal culprit behind why the "New Centurion" Police are trained ALWAYS to ESCALATE the traffic stop "Investigation" to penalize or incarcerate their target. If the citizen bristles against the immediately physical bullying of he cop, the cop then has the grounds to arrest because of "resisting arrest," assaulting a Police Officer, or "Furtive Movement" which allows the cop to fire upon and kill the citizen. The Public is woefully ignorant that they now live in a total Police State run by an unsympathetic government that is in financial collusion with vested corporate interests.
Dyingtodeath you said it all. Just wait until it comes to there neighborhood and start jumping all over them and their kids. Bully them and start shooting their love ones. I believe what goes around comes around. And it will come right at your doorstep
John Hood It's coming.
s roberts actually, you're right.
***** They are trained to "escalate" the common encounter as a fishing expedition to penalize, fine, confiscate, or arrest. Cops are NOT here to serve and protect us but to dominate, harass, incarcerate and rob.
***** What you wrote is unimpeachable and impressively eloquent.
The US sadly, as a whole, does not believe in rehabilitation after imprisonment. That's why we have private prisons. That is why prisoners loose their voting rights, have to list a felony on their job applications, have a monumental time getting a place to live, credit or a car. And we really wonder why the recidivism rate is so high? We see these people as defective, and therefor they don't 'deserve' another chance at life. It still blows me away how a person who steals a TV can get more jail time than a man who steals millions from people's bank accounts.
Can't do the time? Don't do the crime.
Denys Lightbow That's monumentally simplistic. And thank you for proving my point.
Denys Lightbow Oh so you never got in a fight with anyone,drank under age,where on private property,have been intoxicated in public,have done NO illegal drugs including prescriptions? the list goes on and on...so plz stfu and gtfo with your ridiculous quote..the real world is a sick place,come join us !!
Jordan Rodrigues
Please don't try to equate those minor infractions with felony crimes douchebag. It is better to be thought of as stupid instead of writing moronic shit like that and removing all doubt.
This is why unlike that we don't have death row in Denmark.. We don't kill our inmates and we don't imprison small felony criminals..
like the wussy depraved liberals you don't do the killing, you leave that to murderers to do the killing of innocents and then you pamper the criminal. Your collective brain does not begin to understand the concept of justice for the victim.
genie0390 Denmark's murder rate is not even in the same decimal as that in America you idiot.
it says in the bible people should forgive but yet after so many years you still gonna kill the man very devilish
Two million people in prison
Keep the government payed
Stuck in a 6x8 cell
Alive in the grave
Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution
A chilling story but I noticed that over 600 people? have given the revelation a thumbs down. How cold blooded they must be not to be moved by this situation.
and there you have the appointed jury of YOUR peers! smh..
Voting this thumbs down has more to do with what tyt says than what the content of the story is.
John Collings ....because these people that gave the thumbs down are the people who are part of the problem...they have no empathy because they are just evil themselves plain evil
Cold blooded to not feel sorry for a scumbag who thief who contributed to murder? Someone disagreeing with you does not make them cold blooded, snowflake.
Jon Collings
You just can NOT expect better, from white People.
You can be a king
or you can be a street sweeper
but we all gotta dance
with the grim reaper.
The letter was powerful. Such an intellectual man. So many great points.
Mrs. Robertson the bigger reason why now they really want him dead 😢😤
I wish they'd call it what it really is, state sanctioned cold blooded, premeditated murder. They rehearse it and don't get emotional about it. Cold blooded premeditated MURDER.
Even if you happen to be a supporter of capital punishment, don't you think there's something wrong with executing someone who didn't directly murder anyone even if he was an accomplice to the murder? I'm all for life sentences, but not capital punishment unless you directly murder someone and even that's questionable IMO.
.....and the US thinks it can point the finger to other countries about human rights.
Indeed, this is why Russia is pissing itself laughing.
***** I dunno what Id pick if I had to choose between Russia and US. Is like choosing between electric chair and gas chamber.
WOW, Texas and FL laws are FLAWED BIG TIME!
A missed opportunity to bring up Kamala Harris and her pro prison slave labor stance.
On point. I picked 100 lb sacks of cotton in prison fields for 3 years, and went to solitary confinement (14 days each time) twice for "Not picking a reasonable amount of cotton" all because the field officer was getting his "write up quota" and the other officer lost a six pack bet on which work squad would finish fastest.
They're worse than inmates.
Law enforcement and health care and corrections should never be for profit. I don't mind high taxes to have the right social programs and reduced couruption.
I know it's frustrating...YOUNG TURKS.....But please don't stop...putting out this amazing knowledgeable content....WE NEED YOU GUYS SOOOO MUCH
Amen!
Yes
Judges and lawyers are able to owned and buy stocks in private prison companies. That's why some judges are giving long term sentences. Real talk!!
WTF is wrong with texas ??
Ray Jasper's knife dragged across David Mendoza Alejandro's throat was too dull so Jasper doesn't consider himself a murderer. The majority of Americans are against the death penalty, yet I assure Jasper, the murderer, that the majority of those same Americans are more than willing to make an exception just for him.
Alot of people who go to prison start reading books .....
and the books are approved by ____________
Racism is the ability to impose your viewpoint as normative and the power to reinforce those viewpoints if necessary and exclusively.
+Billy Gibbs Racism is deeply embedded into our culture and political system.
That's more than just racism
This is why they shouldn't prolong death sentences!
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If you're gonna kill a prisoner (trial them) then give them instant death!
This happened in 1998, so it does allow room for sympathy/empathy
(especially after analyzing his letter). I don't know the details of his
case, BUT he does seem rehabilitated, enough (at least) to give him
a life sentence instead of death. Texas is HEARTLESS!
There is red tape to make sure there are room for appeals so you don't kill a wrong person for mistrial
So kill them as soon as possible so they can't become better people? How about we just don't kill people?
Texas is, notoriously, stupid. It's Texas. What can we really suspect?
Do you have any idea how many innocent people are put on death row and then taken off because they made a mistake? A LOT!
SistaWith RealHair If he's rehabilitated he should be set free.
About Jasper... I agree with his letter for the most part...
... but about his punishment...
He was robbing a guy with his friend. Jasper slit the throat of the guy they were robbing. His partner stabbed the guy 25 times. The coroner stated that the throat slit was not the cause of death, and that he may have survived it. The 25 stab wounds killed him, but the fact remains...
... Jasper slit a mans throat with the intent to kill him. Why else would you cut someone's throat?
I don't know. It's issue is not black and white. It never is.
Rick Perry lacks the empathy and the intelligence to commute this man's sentence. I sometimes wonder how he got elected. Sadly this will end a man's life, who imo doesn't deserve to be put to death. But no one can convince Rick Perry of that. That isn't much better than a murderer in an elective office.
It is incredibly sad that this obviously intelligent man will be taken out of this world. He could be commuted, and he could even spend the rest of his life in prison, teaching those who messed up but can be rehabilitated. He will be a loss to the community, too, because of the example he set as an inmate. He has clearly chosen to turn his life around, to seek forgiveness. A good judicial system should allow for those who worked so hard to rehabilitate to be commuted. It should be a judicial criteria and not subject to a single person to decide who dies and who doesn't. I can plea for this man's life but I fear that it would fall on the deaf ears of Rick Perry. He doesn't care about whether a prisoner is innocent, he's way to heavy handed on the death penalty. So I pray for the soul of Jasper, that the Lord Jesus takes his hand and guides him to the joyous place of heaven, his sins forgiven, and take his place in heaven where he belongs. He made a mistake. A horrible, horrible mistake, but it doesn't define his life. He's done many things that are good but overlooked by Perry. This is not right. So may Jasper enjoy heaven and the peace that comes with it. How does Rick Perry sleep at night? I hold out hope that a miracle happens and his sentence is commuted to 25 to life with the possibility of parole, I pray to Jesus that he is not executed, but commuted to teach other inmates about what got them there and how things should really be. Bless him, his new home will be heaven, a place where there is no judgement or pain.
jannisares I'm frankly against the death penalty because we make too many mistakes with it.
Maybe in some hypothetical situation, the death penalty would be okay... but this sucks.
ParrhesiaJoe yes I agree with you. Just the idea used to scare people to not commit crimes was great. However, that has scenario is long past. Now it's being used for Un-lawful slaughter and in-justice. Rather help people as if it's you who's in that situation.
Which is a big part of why I'm against capital punishment, there are too many mistakes. Commute the sentence to life without parole. At least innocent people won't be put to death.
jannisares It's one of those things that sounds good in theory =)
Aside from the abhorring acts this guy did, you've got to admit, prisons profiting off other's short/long-term retention is pure evil. Sure, they screwed up, but how is this any different from torturing? If the inmates have to be in prison longer because the owner just hasn't used up his dollar yet, are you not torturing them by tantalizing their freedom?
Take the money out of private prisons. Work on rehabilitation and dtop the revolving door.
The psychological damage and slave labor is wrong!!! The ones running and controling prisons should be forced to live for a month as a prisoner under an assummed name before running a prison or being a guard.
Slave labor? How about paying for your crime, paying for your incarceration?
Better yet, don't do a crime then you won't be in prison.
That's a silly argument.
Hypothetically:
If there are no jobs for somebody, no benefit programs they can sign up for, and they live in a city, how can they eat without either playing the begging lottery or stealing?
Some people steal for luxury and excitement, others steal because they see no alternative.
Give them a huge debt after they get out of prison, still in the same situation, how do you think they'll ever pay it off?
More crime maybe?
I'm a atheist, but the Bible did get it right on this issue. An eye for an eye is the epitome of equality. The for profit prison system is a separate issue that NEEDS to be dealt with.
an*
Murderer isn't getting the death penalty... The guy who did not kill is getting it. That is not eye for an eye.
Grammatical error and I missed a major detail in the story..... sorry y'all I'm baked
don't mean to pick nits but the bible said "eye...eye" but it isn't the first rule book to use that term. Bible stole it from Hammerabi.
mmafyasco I disagree, literally and metaphorically
It makes one innocent person and one person who deserved it half blind
Rehabilitated? In his letter he doesn't talk about the man he stabbed, or the nature of his crime, is that the real reason he is on the death row. And worst, he tries to play the victim, he uses the race card, the religion card (you cannot execute me, you are christian), the moralism card (criminals cannot work, you taxpayers need to feed me).
He doesn't murder anymore, but he uses intellectual dishonesty to blame the system for some problems (whom really exists), when the worst act someone can commit was made by him, and he uses the anti death penalty morality (or left wing moralism) to get away with his responsibility.
Thank you Rick Perry for not giving clemency to this left wing and intellectual dishonesty murder.
R.I.P Ray Jasper
***** Why?
***** Oh wait nevermind I looked at your profile and I know why you're just racist
+John R
Wow. You are so smart. You should become a public speaker. I'm certain many people will give you money to speak;
***** Idk, I love em. They make some damn good blues music, write some good rhymes, whip up some delicious soul food, talk cool, the best at sports, funny as hell, and can slap a bass guitar funkier than Bootsy Collins. I personally love black people. Your thoughts?
***** Your smart
Only 2 million? I wonder what percentage of them are in prison for non-violent or victimless drug offenses? Prison is a huge "for profit" business. What did we really expect?
I often wish I was the most powerful being in the universe, galaxy, and solar system,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would fix this mess!!!!
would you have the patience to let the guilty show their true selves?
@@transporterIII Yes I do have the patience because some people may change their ways should they get moment of clarity but I've been seeing and watching bullsh*t all of my life and people have no respect for anyone and no regard for life and with my judgement there would only be one outcome!!!!
You don't have to be in that man's situation to find yourself in that man's situation being incarcerated and on death row..
Very true very true
Death penalty shouldn't exist and
SlimickBrosXP E-fun-gah
Yeah, let's spend 50k per year keeping subhuman murderers, rapists and child molesters alive. We don't have much more productive things to spend taxpayer funds on.
texas is america at its worst
I think Arizona is trying to take that reign.
kdeezo326 Are we forgetting about Florida, guys?
Florida is just ruthless. Shoot first then ask questions later.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
Point of clarity: he DID do the killing. He planned the murder a week in advance, he got two accomplices with him and he *initiated* the brutal murder by slitting the victim's throat. It was only after that that his accomplices proceeded to stab the victim. Jasper's attorney tried to push the technicality that it was the stab wounds that were immediately fatal, and so Jasper's attack wasn't the one that *technically* killed the victim - although it would have been fatal on its own. At no point did Jasper deny these facts, but also at no point did Jasper own up to what he had done: because of this *technicality*, Jasper maintained until his death that he didn't do the killing - although he drew first blood by slitting the guy's throat.
At no point was he repentant: all he could do was lament how black people are given a raw deal in the justice system - which may well be true, but he was not the best person to speak about it. I am myself against the death penalty, but really: it couldn't have happened to a better candidate.
Blah b Ray Jasper planned a murder a week in advance and carried it out, the motive being money. George Zimmerman was acquitted on the charge of manslaughter - personally I think he should have been found guilty because of the stupid decisions he made - the motive being he wanted to be a hero. While Zimmerman's actions - which were against the advice of the officers he were speaking with on the phone - are certainly blameworthy, there is no comparison at all to Jasper's crime.
Gilmaris I really don't think the point here is about the writer of the letter. The letter itself is chillingly accurate. I know people who've been to prison, as well as some who have worked at prisons. They say it's exactly like what the letter said. So regardless of whether Jasper was guilty, his letter still holds true. You also have to bear in mind that the other man involved admitted to the killing for a plea bargain. This is another flaw in the system. If you're charged with murder, especially if you're a minority, the only way you're getting out of a life sentence (or in this case, death row) is to plead guilty to murder, regardless of whether you actually did it. It's a very broken system.
Colin H I think this nation has quite a way to go before it has the right to feel any pride of any sort.
You can not say murder is wrong if you murder people, it directly states that killing is acceptable under certain circumstances by definition. You can not claim to be a civilised country if you have a death sentence.
From my understanding, prison was supposed to be a place for rehabilitation... but it's since moved far from that... shame really.
In fact, prison apparently was supposed to be something similar to the penal system in Star Trek, where inmates go, aren't executed anymore for certain crimes, etc. and they work.
In the mid-23rd century, the penal systems of the United Federation of Planets shifted focus from incarceration and punishment to humane rehabilitation, made possible by new technologies and drug therapies.
In general, yes, our system offers no real "rehabilitation" and it's a shame. Bit this guy didn't offer his victim any chance for rehabilitation...He walked up behind him and slit his throat to rob him...There is no "rehabilitating" people like him, we should keep them locked up or execute them because these type of nut jobs will always be a potential danger to society..
totally wrong! Prison was supposed to be a place to deliver justice for the victim and act to deter others. Little by little depraved liberals have pushed the argument that prison is for rehabilitation which is total BS.
Deez Nuts Ummm, from what I heard in this video, he didn't actually do the killing... the other guy confessed and took a plea deal or whatever...
Well, I'm against capital punishment, it's state sanctioned murder in my opinion.
genie0390 There are several approaches to what prison should be, one of which is rehabilitation aka personal reform, the others are (general deterrence, punishment and retribution)... but throwing someone in a hole and treating them like shit, is barbaric.
Whatever they stand accused of, etc. they're still a human being.
Of course, blame the liberals, naturally.
***** being able and willing to butcher someone without any consideration for that person's life renders them something less than human.
blaming liberals is correct because it is their depraved thinking that makes a mockery of the justice system. I bet you are pro-choice too. How come you consider murderers human but not an unborn child?
25 years is a life sentence here in Canada and i assure you the having spent time in jail myself 25 years is a fucking lifetime and surely more than enough time to contemplate the error of your ways
You can't excuse Murder. The guy should have been executed right after he was proven guilty
he did not kill anyone so ya deaths a bit harsh for him but i agree with you in most cases but not all if someone rapes or kills your wife or child you should be able to kill them without recourse and they shouldn`t be left lingering costing tax dollars for years it should be quick and clean a bullet to the head
devin patterson Oh lol I didn't see full video but agree with your post, prison systems are very costly indeed
TheGiantKiller8: "The guy should have been executed right after he was proven guilty"
And how many of the people who've been "proven guilty" of murder only to later be shown to have been completely innocent should've been executed as well?
In a system that is imperfect, that will make mistakes, the death penalty is inexcusable, regardless of the crime of which the person was accused and convicted. You can't undo a death sentence, and state-sanctioned murder is no less murder.
Alaric Holmes thats different topic of system being imperfect My point is putting millions in jails and burning millions of dollars instead of executing violent criminals and sexual predators is a massive waste of money.
TYT acts as if this man was a get away driver who got charged with felony murder because his partner did a vicious killing. The man SLIT THE VICTIM'S THROAT and his parter delivered the killing blow via repeated stabs. I care little what this animal has to say or do. He speaks of empathy, but the people who deserve our empathy are the victims of this animal. I cannot put myself in the shoes of a killer because I am not and never will be a killer.
It doesn't matter what he did what matters is the content of the letter and everything he has to say is true and correct.
He does not deserve death, he deserves life in prison.
***** Why does it not matter what he did? The man murdered someone, are we suppose to take his ideas about "justice" seriously? That is like listen to a war criminal speak about upholding human rights and international law. It is silly and illogical.
***** No not a crime, I am taking about the worse crimes, murder and rape. There is no coming back from either of those crimes. They change you forever.
***** My comment is not about the death penalty. My comment concerns TYT's lack of journalistic integrity. Tell the whole story TYT, not only the parts that support your biased view. This man lacks any credibility to speak on the issue of criminal justice, he is a criminal himself.
***** When the man who had little regard for human decency is being subjected to a complete lack of it from within the prison system, yes. We are to listen to what he has to say. It doesn't matter if this came from stalin or mother Teresa, the content of the letter was worth hearing and speaks truths.
If the content was exactly the same and it was by someone who stole a pair of shoes, would you give it more credence? Why does his actions somehow invalidate his experience after committing those actions? What he had to say had nothing to do with his life outside of prison.
Stay dumb, I guess.
This is a perfect example of the difference between being a racist ( a system of people to oppress another group of people based on race) and prejudice ( an individual's thought ). But when you have prejudice + power is what racism really Is. So to call a minority a racist is just pure WILLFUL ignorance. A minority can be prejudice but never a racist. I believe if you do a crime you must be held accountable, but this particular system is born out of pure evil.
minoritys can't be racists?? that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
+fck20112012 yes minorities can't be racist read understand what racism means
In August 1969 ,Charles Manson was not even present at the stabbing murders in the home of Sharon Tate.The following night he simply tied up the La Biancas and never did actual harm to them. Mr Jasper deserved the death penalty because like Manson he alone planned the murder and robbery, enlisting the others to join and assist him.The Young Turks apparently refuse to grasp this. Manson followers have repeatedly insisted that they are changed people now, but parole is always denied.And were it not for a very brief death penalty law reversal after their sentencing they all would have been dead long before they could write their whats wrong with the system statements.
martinishot One more interesting thing about the Manson murders. Director Roman Polanski was opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances, (Just like TYT) until his woman Sharon Tate and their unborn child were murdered. He was very much in favor of the death penalty for the Manson family.
The point you are trying to make is people should not be slaves to the system. What you fail to understand is we are ALL slaves to the system. Some are locked away behind bars; others are chained to credit cards, home mortgages, insurances, taxes, and medical expenses. The only free people in this world are the very rich; they have no fear of the law and own the government. Even there kids walk away free when they get drunk and kill people by driving over them. Then there was the DuPont heir that raped his own 2 year old daughter but received no jail time because the judge felt "he would not fare well in prison." I hate to say this; but take a good hard look at your life and the people around you. We are all just prisoners here. (Raven)
The key to freedom is education.
Sadly they take away the keys and leave you hopelessly fighting the chains.
gas hegone sounds like you're in debt.... lol...just judging you because you judge others so quickly. have fun with your carbon copies (children) and livin that dream! :)
Ian Luman
Ha...guess you told him. The American dream my butt.
I'm so fucking mad that I don't know what to say about USA justice system.
How are you going to kill this guy while George Zimmerman is out on the streets acting like his is a celebrity?
america's justice system is corrupt to the core
Well because George Zimmerman was innocent
unstoppableExodia
How so?
Denys Lightbow /watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc
Denys Lightbow did you not watch the video?
This is by far one of the most informative videos I have watched so far on this channel and I am thankful that I was able to find this channel. I usually don't watch the news because I feel at this point that most news mediums cause more harm than good but the Young Turks certainly has opened my eyes to the world on a larger scale.
death has a way giving the mind amazing clarity...
Kanye West addressed the issue in his song "New slaves", before that I was unaware of the injustice of the system.
While I totally agree that the US prison system is fucked, I'd think twice about giving Jasper much credit. He _slit the throat_ of the person they were robbing, and the only reason he denies he's a murderer is because the M.E. in the case said it was "probably" not the throat-slitting that killed the victim, but the 25 stab wounds Jasper's accomplice inflicted. Because of the nature of the wounds, it wasn't 100% possible to know which injury was the fatal one. It's probably pretty safe to say Jasper had every intention of killing the man though, as do most people who slit the throats of their victims.
Gawker also just published a letter from the victim's brother, which contains more trial details that shed light on Jasper's nature (and plenty of facts that Jasper conveniently left out of his letter):
steven-alejandro.kinja.com/a-discussion-of-the-ray-jasper-death-row-issue-from-a-f-1536676452/1536918396/+hamilton_nolan
Yes, the US prison system needs serious reform. But I have zero sympathy for Jasper, and people really need to look into his case and trial before they start giving him moral high-five's.
The plot thickens...
Classic sociopath.
This is unacceptable!
This goes back to "congress members" need term limits; Why is this topic constantly not brought up?
Cry me a friggin river. This is an excerpt from the criminal court of appeals...."The facts of this crime were brutal and demonstrated calculated deliberation. Jasper planned well in advance the stabbing murder of someone he would later describe as "one of the nicest people [he] ever met in [his] life." He allowed Alejandro to assist him with recording for two hours, knowing he was about to kill him. As Alejandro sat unaware at the soundboard mixing a track for Jasper, Jasper pulled his head back and, taking a kitchen knife from his jacket, slit his throat from ear to ear. When that wound did not kill him, one of Jasper's accomplices joined the attack until Alejandro was dead."
So, example number 835,651 where Cenk tries to mislead his viewers. He should be put to death.
Damn, Texas man! Damn!
Jasper slit the victims throat:
www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Rapper-s-death-sentence-stands-4105926.php
Mustang424 Cutting something is not the same as slitting something. When you slit someones throat your cutting through the windpipe so it can choke on its own blood...its a way hunters insure that a recently shot deer doesn't kill you in its death throws from a hoof kick. I have cut myself shaving but from your implication hundreds of americans slit there throats every morning.
stormweaver82 Oh shut the fuck up.
stormweaver82
Yes, he only gave a little paper cut while trying to shave his beard.
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It doesn't matter. He was apart of the crime that ended a mans life, so he gets punishment. His mistake most likely robbed a loving family of a parent, so the children are now growing up with the looming fact that their parent was murdered. He should be given a break because he 'feels bad'? Feeling bad doesn't bring children's parent back. Think about that.
But he didn't kill anyone.
makezmuzic What do you think he intended to do by slitting his throat? Get a clue.
baller84milw Slitting the man's throat is not mentioned any where on this video. But after researching his case I finally found a detailed account of the incident. One that included his grabbing the producer by his hair and slitting his neck. It's not about clues, it's about getting all the information. I stand corrected about his intent to kill the man.
The prison system has been an extension of slavery for decades. Cops in rural farm towns have done "vagrancy sweeps" since the civil war, up in to the 60's. They would pick up Black, Red and Brown people that were on the streets during harvest season and arrest them for "vagrancy". Then they'd force them to pick the crops for local farmers for free. It's legal, on the books. Once you are arrested, you are a slave. Just like once you are in the service, the army owns your butt. It's just that they are doing it in higher numbers now, and they are doing it to poor whites now.
Killing him doesn't bring the children's parent back either. The point of prisons is rehabilitating people, making them fit for society again. It's disgusting to me how so many people try to justify killing people whether it be the capitol punishment or "self-defense". Murder is wrong so we are going to kill someone for killing someone
99% of the people busted will not ever see a jury, the public defender wil sale you out in the first stages of the Court proceedings 99% of the people will accept a deal because a public defender convince them this is the best opportunity they have. If you're seeing a jury trial you probably committed a murder or accused of it.
Let's talk about what he did. He slashed a man's throat. I don't care if he wrote the world's greatest poem and shit a perfect diamond on his last day.
Docktor Jim how bout you actually read the story. He didn't kill anyone he was just an accomplice
Heisenburg M He made cuts, but it was determined that the other guy's cuts were the fatal ones. He caused a metal object to enter the body of another human being. If a cop had been standing right there, he would have been justified in shooting.
touche
No his friend slashed a man's throat and he was convicted on "guilt by association". They mention this at the beginning of the video.
Paul Pena I read other articles. He inflicted wounds.
Yesterday he was executed. R.I.P. Ray Jasper
God Bless him...He is in a lot better place than this now.....Love to all and Bless God.... It's not about crime and punishment...It's about power and profit......that's all anything is about anymore...."The LOVE of money/power is the root of all evil" has not ever shown it's ugly head as it does these days....I just pray that all get right with God before it's to late...Love to all and God Bless
Sal G Nope, not in his case. In his case, it was about the crime of murder in cold blood; the crime he denied commiting till the end. I say may God have mercy on his soul.
vutube379 He never actually murdered the guy, though he isn't as culpable as it seems. He apparently did slice the guys throat during the robbery. His friend stabbed the guy 25 times, and that is actually what killed him (in a postmortem autopsy). Like many things in life, there are shades of grey. I still respect this man because what he says was truth, regardless of the mistakes he made.
I pray for you..Have a great weekend..Love to you and God Bless. :)
corieg1 How fucking absurd! The lack of accountability in him and you is revolting. He slit his throat and that alone would have killed him because that was the killer's intent. Don't pass the buck like he tried to do. Disgusting.
Here is a thought: Don't commit crimes. Solves the problem.
Yes, housing, clothing, feeding, and giving medical care is "free" labor, rofl.
These clowns wouldn't know the real world if it bit them in the ass.
Yeah, cause getting raped and shanked in the courtyard are just normal workplace hazzards
***** Yeah, and there is always some sucker that takes the bate huh? There are reasons for permits for fishing, hunting, and trapping. People are greedy, stupid, and irresponsible especially when it comes to dealing with wildlife. Follow the rules and fish, hunt, and trap when it's legal to do so. It isn't that difficult to follow.
HAHA, thats exactly what I was going to WRITE..
Like that song says " Dont do the crime , if you cant do the time" . Still holds true today.. I dont like speeding tickets, cause I know it also Raises my Insurance costs, so you know how I keep from getting them,, I DONT SPEED... DUHHH.... You do a bank Robbery, and you want us to feel SORRY for you ?? cause the guy who robbed the bank with you Killed a guy , but you didnt pull the trigger ? Go to hell, But Rot in JAIL first.. Zero Sympathy for these LOSERS..
*****
brother I agree with you,... But , as it pertains to this case, a man was MURDERED.. thats a lot different than the laws you are speaking of..
if you are an ACCESSORY to MURDER, especially one that was PLANNED out ,, you FRY.. period.. dont care who pulled the trigger..
As I understand it, Texas has the most LENIENT laws for example pertaining to HOME DEFENSE.. that is NOT murder.. Its simple... Dont commit the crime.. dont hang with People who are criminals... The Carjacking we had here in NJ,, Cold Blooded MURDER,.. every single one of the dudes (like 4 of them) should DIE.. but we dont have a death penalty any more cause of the LIBS.. not that we ever executed anyone. but those guys killed than man, KNOWING they will only face jail time.. you would not agree with that ?
The american government has commited crime almost everywhere in the world. Where is the Death penalty for them ?
I served 15 & 1/2 years of a 20 year sentence in Texas prisons for virtually a crime I didn’t commit. I was a 18 year old visiting Texas from California. Being locked up out of state I was fearful and felt I needed to plead guilty to the crime so I could get out. I was then released and upon returning to California I was violated by Texas for a mistake on their part. Everything Jasper says is True. I saw it first hand, and even experienced some of the worst conditions. I picked cotton in 100 degree weather being overseen by a man on a horse with a gun, dug potatoes out of the hard ground bare handed, and was always told to go faster. I’ve been wrongfully placed in solitary at the whims of crooked correctional officers. But through it all I rehabilitated myself. I got my GED, two associates degrees and was working on my bachelors degree when released. I have helped countless men attempt rehabilitation and redemption and still have many friends there serving sentences of which they have been incarcerated for over 15-20 years. Many whom were not the actual perpetrators in the crimes for which they were convicted. Texas system is as corrupt and corporate as they come. Thanks for shining this light. Please look into this system as there have been several attempts in recent years at hunger strikes statewide for basic human rights. Texas prisoners do Not get paid to work at all, unlike other systems where some jobs pay a few cents a hour. I held many jobs in TDCJ and never was I once paid for any one of them. Thank you TYT for having some Empathy.
Great letter. Shame the murdered guy can't read it.
it is sad that he is no longer alive. Its also sad the man who killed him received a life sentence while he, who was there but didn't physically kill him, is sentenced to death.
sirisaacnewton Try again. He slit the victim's throat and when the victim didn't die immediately then he had his groupie stab him a few more times. This sick bastard planned the brutal murder out ahead of time. He got what he deserved.
Free prisoners in jail for drug crimes, not murderers!
pro-tip: there are very, very few inmates in jail purely for possession of drugs for personal use.
yarrrthekraken , what's your relationship to the criminal defense system? Because where I practiced law, the amount of drugs that was held to be beyond that needed for "personal use" was really fluid and seemed connected to your race.
Leah Prewitt I plead for total legislation of all controlled substances, if you take drugs the risk is on you.
Drug dealers are put in prison because they ruin other peoples life's , they can also indirectly kill somebody by supplying them with drugs
kareem kizzy Then it is still the drug users responsibility. You also dont blame big tobacco for all deaths related to smoking. Its the smokers responsibility.
Wow. America...land of the free...
It's not like murder and robbery were constitutional rights that have taken away. Americans have never had the right to murder and rob. The court system is more lenient now then it ever has been. We used to execute people for stealing horses for crying out loud. It's not like this guy got caught with a dime bag, he committed an armed robbery in which someone was murdered.
its not even this guy's case i'm stressing about. its the amount of innocent people being thrown into jail or those serving sentences for petty crimes. recently someone was given 14 years for pointing a laser at a police chopper. and some guy got out of jail after 30years after he was wrongly convicted of murder he didnt commit. they're lots of cases like this and it a fkin joke. -_-
***** Alot of kid these days dont understand the full implications of that. with that said yes, a penalty for that is understandable. But 14 years!!!??
k2datrack Ignorance is not an excuse. Ever.
"I didn't know the speed limit was 65!" Well, if you were going 12, you're going to lose your license regardless.
Time some fuckheads learned there are consequences to their actions.
jreed136 You're analogy is asinine. There's a difference between common sense and the optical perception of a pilot. It was a childish joke by someone that deserves to go punished, but its disproportionate to the intent
This man should be freed and there should be a prison system reform. Corruption injustice and greed has gone on long enough
If someone kills me or someone I love, I would want them to spend every day of their life around 3 walls and bars. Waking up every morning knowing why they're there. To be, death is too easy and the easy way out.
What if that someone you love was a very very bad person?
FreeDog70
But he wasn't the killer and the killer didn't even get death penalty.
You haven't been paying attention. This guy didnt kill but he will die after his reformation. Meanwhile the guy who did kill did a deal and will walk. That is really stupid.Why is your idea of justice mean prison and why does it sound like revenge? Why dont you just say: I want to kill him myself? That seems more reasonable (instead of using all of our money to carry out your silly revenge).
Marvin Julien
Not sure if you're responding to me or not, but I understand this story. I'm talking in general.
People are really emotional on this one. This story is not about the crime it's about problems within the prison-industrial complex yet we focus on his actions. Yes TYT didn't present the facts of his case in proper context but I think it was to avoid these knee jerk reactions and dismissive attitudes. People treat those incarceration as if their are automatically guilty and lump them in the same group when instead it should be on and individual basis. All I'm reading proves the lack of empathy argument because people can't see past their own rage/anger and see his truth. People disregard the words of "bad" people even though they can be just as true. Typical babies and bath water.
Best young turks I have ever seen ...you guys are amazing for reporting on this . I say that because main stream media would never ever care about what a prisoner would have to say regardless of his intellect . His is a very sad case of injustice and I loved the analogy towards the end of a white being tried by an all black court it is unfair and cruel
"the only time you get to put someone in isolation is if they are a threat to other prisoners"
There is also protective custody~
He did kill the victim, that much is clear. Also, he was not an accomplice; it was his idea and he had planned on killing the victim. Technically, he didn't die from the first injury, which Jasper inflicted (he slit his throat). He died of the 25 stab wounds his accomplice delivered. I think it's common sense that they are at least equally responsible, nonetheless.
That doesn't mean he deserves the death penalty, and it says nothing about whether or not he has genuinely reformed. Nor does it make his statements about the prison system untrue; I think there's definite merit in them, although he's hardly the first person to say them. But it's more than sensible to call him a murderer. He insisted, because the victim died of his subsequent injuries before bleeding out as he certainly would have from Jasper's injury alone, that he isn't a murderer; it's an easy out to take, and I suppose it spares him some guilt, somehow. But it's very insensitive to the victim's family to just take for granted that he's innocent from his own words alone.
Another thing with prison is the lack of rights they have.
The prison was norfolk medium security prison
I went to a prison the other day. Medium security on a street law field trip (street law is a class at my school) and they have a program there where a group of prisoners (the top prisoners. The ones who acknowledge that they fucked up, and are really trying to better themselves. These prisoners aren't weak crime guys. The guy who actually runs the program and over watches it is sitting on like 3 life sentences for multiple armed bank robberies, and killing a couple cops in a prison riot, the guy had some issues in the past, but 40 years later he's actually a nice guy
So essentially we were allowed to ask them questions, naturally a few questions went out about their food, what rape is like in prison, etc, but another kid asked about their rights.
They all said that have no rights, and if they want something to happen, they can't just talk to a prison guard to help, they do hunger strikes (which, if you couldn't guess, is when they don't eat)
Essentially they starve themselves for days until they get sent to the hospital, thats when other people get involved and they start bringing things up with the warden.
prisoners are reduced to STARVING themselves to get things they want, or for some of them, need. Prison is a fucked up place in America, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone.
This is a situation where being a little bit sociopaths is needed. Something like the conditions you described is something that I would wish only upon my worst enemies.
What I don't understand is the fact that he himself participated in the murder though. He actually slit the studio owner's throat but his accomplice finished the job. The death penalty should be reserved for only the worst like child molesters, pedophiles, serial killers, rapists, and other criminals who actually are not able to be rehabilitated. Those who do murder but change should get life in solitary confinement.
When I was younger, I had to do solitary confinement for 6 weeks after a prison fight which I tried to break up. Solitary is worse than death. I believe in life ending by the whim of God and that man has no right over who dies no matter what the cause. Give Solitary to the molesters, killers, rapists, but I know many can be rehabilitated.
kris amit Solitary Confinement for life is a good idea actually. In the dark for your whole life with only a pooping hole and food.
grandue23
To take a person and stuff them in a dark hole is simply emotional torture. I'd know i would lose my mind if i couldn't look out my windows and see the stars at night. Or watch the rain fall from my porch. Humans are animals highly evolved without a doubt. However we still do unbelievable things to one another. Imprisonment is a barbaric tool. However if we can use it to rehabilitate instead of create hardened criminals. Well it would be a most useful tool.
Child molesters, pedophiles and rapist should not be executed. They may be disgusting individuals to some but they do not warrant the death penalty just for sexual misconduct.
B Sams To some? Taking sexual advantage of a child by force and steal their innocence is beyond sexual misconduct. It's a sick crime to the point that if other prisoners discover you did it while you're imprisoned, they rape and murder you. If you let them out, they'll go out and do it again.
It's so sick that it deserves torture. It's on the list of some of the worst crimes imaginable. Never mind, executing these kind of people would be too merciful. Torture and then solitary confinement would be an appropriate response but since that's impossible in the U.S. death penalty is fine for me. I don't know if you have kids or not, but you should understand this point of view if you do. If not, well then, those are your personal opinions.
Mental health is big business as well. So if the isolated prisoners were to go insane, they will automatically qualify for mental health services which means, more 💰. Capital.
I feel bad for him.. but he learned the errors of his ways too little too late. that person who died didn't get to have a second chance and wont ever have a second chance, so he shouldn't neither.. I hope he make good use of the few years he have left.
except that he didn't kill the guy.
true, he wasn't innocent either, but the death of the store owner was not his fault.
Eh... From what I'm seeing on other comments, he intended to.
Slit the guy's throat, but his companion finished the job.
Regardless, I stay true to the philosophy that killing only leads to more killing. Revenge does not teach people the ways of peace, it either makes them scared or angry.
I'm sure you didn't see any profanity in the comment I just posted, I gave my opinion like I'm entitled to! if you're going to behave like an uncivilized Neanderthal I wont have a conversation with you. Just so you know, just because he didn't do the actual killing doesn't mean he's not as guilty as the person who did it! He made a conscious decision to commit a crime the night of the incident.. so he should reap whatever consequences that comes with his actions.
sirdeadlock Its not about "revenge" its about serving justice, I'm not gonna sit here and say this man isn't rehabilitated, but am I willing to let him out and see if he has truly changed? I don't think so. how many people have to die before we declare someone not fit to be apart of society? I'm sorry, I feel bad that he's going to die and he didn't do the actual killing, but he got what was coming to him. Who know's maybe I'm evil for not sympathizing with him but that's something I'm willing to live with, I'll save my sympathy for the man that died and my empathy for the deceased family members.
sirdeadlock
i didn't realize that, but I agree with your philosophy (hence why I'm against the death penalty, despite there being an occasional person that might deserve it)
vagas99 just ignore the people who can't comment without insulting, imo they're not worth the time of day i disagree that it is to little to late, but I do value your opinion (despite disagreeing with it :p)
His "rehabilitation" doesn't bring the dead back even more than his death would. At least he'll be dead for the sake of the family. Ask the family what they want that is how it should be decided.
He didn't kill anyone. His accomplice did.
It is Texas, he was involved. This is an overreach of the death penalty in my opinion. I personally think it should be life in prison if you are involved in a crime that took a life, but not directly involved with the killing. But as long as it is on the books in TX, then it should be up to the family to decide.
"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."
Mahatma Gandhi
If you let them take both your eyes then you will be blind while they can see, better to be on equal footing. Gandhi was wise, but had his head up his ass on that one. Pacifism enables aggressors.
DeviantDespot
"Thou shalt not kill" The Bible
He deserves punishment for his crime and should be in prison but the death penalty is morally wrong.
The justice system isn't broken... It is doing and operating EXACTLY like it is supposed to... Corporations are America...
SiaFulani Thank you.😊 from Virginia
SiaFulani
Tina Robinson yesssss????
Amen.
SiaFulani facts👍👍
I got put in isolation for refusing to work on the Sabbath in jail in Charlotte. I had cleaned my cell the day before, this is what you’re trained to do if you follow the Law. Do all your work in 6 days. While in there the lights in my cell would constantly flicker and some times the guards wouldn’t give my meals. I believe they were trying to break me. The cherry on top I was supposed to get released from jail 7/3 but they kept me in until after 7/4.
I'm sorry but I do agree with the death penalty, but only by public hanging and only for certain judges, cops, politicians and lawyers. 🤣🤣
I hate bringing up anything about race, because were all human beings, but he is right about black people only having white jurors. If I were on trial and I had a jury full of black people then I would feel awkward.
That said, this guy chose to commit the crime he committed. I have no sympathy for actual criminals.
But he dosent deserve death penalty
dav3fk he was there, he may not have pulled the trigger, but that does not matter. He decided to commit a crime and someone died. The crime may not even have gone forth if he had decided not to do it.
As far as being in texeas, that has no bearing on the case.
human151 he did commit a crime, but he does not deserve death for it.
dav3fk He went to rob someone with a gun with someone else who also had a gun and the person they robbed ended up getting shot.
Does it really matter who pulled the trigger? No, they both killed him. If he wasn't there in the first place none of it would have ever happened.
He deserves much worse than what he's actually getting.
human151
Being there when someone else makes a bad decision does not make you culpable for their bad decision, even if you should be convicted on other bad decisions that you personally might have made.
Texas has every bearing on the case, because texas treats accomplices like triggermen. He didn't do it, accessory to murder would be fine, but he did not commit murder, and should not be executed - he shouldn't even still be in prison, there are plenty of real murderers who serve less time (and, sometimes rightly).
This cat slashed someone's throat in cold blood. Sounds like a standup guy
Couldn't even watch to 0:51?
Clearly he's a idiot.
5aruken
TYT had the details sooo wrong. Jasper slashed Alejandro's throat open. He has admitted so multiple times. But the fatal wounds were caused by a guy he hired, who stabbed him 25 times. Idk why they keep talking like he was shot. Think whatever you want about the death penalty and prison affairs, but Jasper is guilty as hell.
And you couldn't post a link to verify this?....okay
*****
You can't look something up for yourself? -_-
But here: www.cjr.org/the_audit/a_letter_from_death_row_backfi_1.php?page=all
here: steven-alejandro.kinja.com/a-discussion-of-the-ray-jasper-death-row-issue-from-a-f-1536676452
and here: www.kens5.com/news/hold-for-Wednesday-after-executionRay-Jasper-execution-story--250899551.html
I am anti - death penalty, and he didn’t deserve to die for just a robbery. He should not have to die for his friend's action.