I dislike Suarez as a person, but he was undeniably incredible. Had it not been for Ronaldo, Messi and his character then Suarez would have multiple Balon d’ors
Ronaldo’s greatest ever season was in 2015. He made 84 g/a that year. Suarez had 83…… in his prime, 2013-17, he averaged 56 goal contributions per season. The only other plays in the history of the sport to match those numbers is Messi, Lewa, and G. Muller. Luis Suarez is indeed, one of the greatest strikers, footballers, the game has ever known. The eye proves it and so does the numbers.
@@Conker66 Not really comparable to Ronaldo and Messi due to longevity though. Suarez Peak is almost Ronaldo level, Messi a tier above, but overall career Ronaldo and Messi blows him out of the water
@@oblitorix21 How about you actually address the argument presented instead of coming with some nilly willy statement that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@@fr0ntend I would say Lewa, Ibra & Suarez are in their own bracket just below. Considering how great cr7 and Messi have been that's by no means unimpressive. They all deserve a balloon d'or but yeah. It went to Messi and Ronaldo even in years they probably didn't deserve it
@@ashconbeats8414 terry is a better tackler and raw defender than vvd, but vvd is for sure better at passing. There’s a difference between thinking vvd is overrated and completely ignoring all his world class attributes
I can't argue that it is Drogba, based on accomplishments in the Premier League. But i will crack a laugh if anyone says as a footballer, Drogba was better. Suarez did incredible things in an absolutely dreadful Liverpool team, then got his name in the MSN, which will be the golden standard for decades to come. Like come on. Drogba wouldn't even carry Messi's waterbottle.
Suarez carrying a rubbish Liverpool side in comparison to the juggernaut team that Chelsea was, it makes up for the difference in years. Suarez > Drogba in any metric
Most goals in the league since the start of 2017/18 season: 1.salah-137 2.kane-135 Most assists in the league since the start of 2017/18 season: 1.de bruyne-85 2.salah-72 But hey he’s just a g/a merchant who’s won every single trophy in club football that you can win with a team and has 55 goals and 19 assists against the big 6 in 95 games. People act like these numbers are normal and any bum at any club could get them. How many wingers in European football has more than 1 season of scoring 30+ goals in the 21st century? Just 1. Neymar twice and salah has done it 4 times. Btw I’m not including Messi or Ronaldo.
Even in Salahs best season with all those goals and assists Hazard still got more motm awards comfortably and has had 5 other seasons with more than Salahs BEST. Being the best player on the pitch is more important and impressive than getting crazy numbers in crazy attacking systems.
@@RealNoble6 trust me the MOTM mean nothing because in any one game, every single sports media publication will have a different MOTM for that exact game. Plus I’ve seen player get a g/a and do nothing but get the MOTM or do one brilliant move and everyone will remember that brilliant moment and forget that he was stinking out the gaff for 85 minutes of the game.
Yes you're right, Salah will do nothing and then score a penalty or finally convert and get motm and all the hype because of the g/a. If you think that Hazard got them for "one good move" look at his heatmaps and progressive carries, progressive passes etc. Far more influential in a game than Salah will ever be.
obviously cole is the best LB in prem history and he was always gonna make the combined 11, but its not as bad a shout as you think... Robertson is a top class fullback and doesnt always get the recognition he deserves because of what trent is doing on the opposite side yet hes right up there for highest assisting defenders right behind trent ... but cole is still the best no doubt
Give it 20 years until it becomes cool to be nostalgic and this will be a conversation people are at least willing to have. It's very hard to get into a combined 11 in the Prem because those spots are reserved by players from an era where English football was moderately successful. If they were as great as people want to remember, why didn't England win anything? Scotland have as many international titles as England does. So therefore, Che Adams is an all-time great.
We are talking about individually here, don't go to another topic. Ronaldo said A.Cole was his toughest opponent. And some do consider Ronaldo the Goat. So yeah no matter what era, Ashley is the best lb in the prem@@imRehnzy
@@dcfootball1 You're not an individual in football though. You're part of a team. You know I have a point. The bias towards players of that era is very very favorabl. And with time I think the conversation will become a lot closer. The sport is a lot more competitive now. Everyone is just better, fitter. I think Kyle walker and Gary Neville will be a much closer discussion as well. I didn't say Robertson will be considered better. But when he too becomes this mythical player from a past time. I think he will get his credit in comparations. Just a shame he's not English
I love when people bring up consistency about hazard...hazard was carrying teams to doubles since he was 18. Where was Salah at 18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25???? The one thing I'll say about Salah is that Salah could possibly make a All Time Prem XI, Hazard couldn't
Spot on mate anyone who knows football knows hazard is by far the most talented player and rated so much higher as a youngster. What salahs done at Liverpool incredible but it’s just bizarre how he’s rated Higher than hazard all time (which he should be) because on a technical level there is no comparison
@@Rob07544He's better on the ball, but no manager in football would take prime Hazard over Salah. You would not ignore those goal contributions. His numbers are ridiculous. Also lets not make out like Salah has no technical ability himself.
Can’t deny Cech was great in that season, but you also have to look at the playstyles, Chelsea often played very defensively while Liverpool plYed an extremely high line very offensive way of football, which naturally leaves more space for the opponent to play into on a counter
But then by that logic you could say that Hazard shouldn’t even be compared to Salah - In Hazard’s best season he only scored 16 prem goals compared to Salah’s 32. People will use stats when it suits them but then ignore them when it doesn’t
Team picks itself: Alisson Trent Terry Virg Cole Gerrard Kante Lampard Salah Suarez Hazard Close calls: Cech, Ivanovic, Mane I cant really see an argument for anyone else
Cech is better but wouldn’t fight Alison and for the strikers, Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
My only gripe with this series of videos is that they generally only involve supporters of the big 6 clubs in England with the supporters from each team debating over the same players each and and every time. There are 20 clubs in the Premier League and I genuinely believe supporters of the other clubs could have a genuinely interesting and engaging debate over the players of each of the other clubs- a debate between supporters of Aston Villa and Brighton for example over who has the stronger squad per position would be refreshing to hear for once.
@@Klad714 I think Henderson is a better example. But yeah no way Henderson makes it to the team. So I get why Azpilicueta is not that big a call. But Trent isn't really a good RB though.
Cech is a must. I hear Suarez but in the time that they spent in the premier league I think Drogba was better in the premier league but I understand the argument if it weren't for Messi and CR7 suarez would have had a balloon dor. I would also go Azpi over TAA because Azpi did it for longer and he won multiple premier leagues and Capt it off with a UCL and captaining the club but TAA is good as well.
Not in the premier league. Same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah 🧢 😂 Ronaldo was good in prem but he never sustained the Level Salah has in the prem. his prem legacy isn’t like Salah’s purely cos of how long Salah did it for, no one is questioning Ronaldo’s ability but don’t disrespect Salah please as far as prem goes
The only reason fans don't rate Terry is because of his controversial past. But proessional players and pundits alike all say that he's one of if not the best English defender in history. Think that he was the cog in defense in Chelsea's entire trophy history, including that season were they set the record of 15 goals conceded. Van Dijk only had maybe 1-2 seasons of him being the best EPL defender. Terry had 7-8.
Hazard was compared to messi. Salah is compared to Hazard. Hazard was playing every game for Lille when he was 16. That's why his career ended earlier. Hazard>>>>>>Salah. Also G/a isn't everything. Otherwise Liverpool fans have to put Lampard ahead of Gerrard.
Stop it Salah is the greatest #7 in football history. Hazard is better dribbler that’s all. Is there a #7 that scores 30 goals every season in football history?????
Wrong french team, It's Lille not Lyon. Don't waffle the petty defense of Hazard when against Salah. They both wingers and one has the mentality to go through opponents and consistently contribute for 7+ years. Hazard was always said to be lazym even by his own teammates. And it shows that he has no year in which he performed higher than Salah. And when he went a team that could win the CL he ended up winning as a passenger
Alisson and Cech both sensational Alisson Azpi-Terry-VVD-Cole Kante Gerrard-Lampard Salah Hazard Drogba Players who came very close were Cech, Ivanoviv, T.Silva, Carvalho, Robertson, makelele, Mane and suarez.
That’s not what he’s saying and he didn’t even argue against Salah at all. They both put forward their teams best player’s in that position and they debate who gets in the team. If you watch other episodes that’s how it works.
You are right. Salah deserves more respect in my opinion. I remember he started that game in April 2014 and even got booked. His celebrations after Demba Ba goal were joyful and sincere. What a talent he was back then. Big up to Chelsea legend Chicken Tikka Mosalah! 😆
All that means is that Sarah played in the CL more times than Hazard loool. What point are you trying to make??? Salah is better than Hazard but you made a poor point
As a Liverpool fan, of course I’ll have Trent, but Ivanovicin his prime was an absolute tank who was equally good going forward. Man was so dangerous and impossible to get past. Definitely top 5 RB’s in PL history.
Yup. I'd pick Terry over VVD because Terry really made Cech look greater. VVD Is brilliant but Alisson is very often left on his own to avert disasters. I know tactical system comes into play there too. But Terry was always exactly where he needed to be, and i truly believe Alisson would've done as good or better in that Chelsea team
@@Iamwhatyousayiam It doesn't reflect a goalkeepers ability. It depends on the team around them and the tactic. You need save percentages and xga to see it for what it is. Haaland will score twice as many goals if he has De Bruyne providing for him. That doesn't make Haaland better or worse. Other things impact a number like that. That's why xg was introduced.
JT has more trophies. You also need to compare the quality of strikers that Terry defended against vs VVD. I bet atleast 2 of the top 3 strikers in the premier league on most people's list were from JT's era and those 2 would say JT was a nightmare to play against. Add to all this, his goalscoring ability and his leadership. His leadership alone won Chelsea so many trophies.
What a team that is. 😍 I’m a Chelsea fan and I love Didier probably more than my dad but I’d have Suarez up there in front of him. A forward line of Salah, Suarez, and Hazard
Where would you play palmer in our current 11,I dont think he get in our front 3 and I don't think he suits our midfield play I think he is chelsea best player this season but just don't see how he would fit
John Terry was two footed and would constantly switch play, again, WITH BOTH FEET, effortlessly. Those who think VVD could pass better either have just barely started watching football or are delus*onal. The ONLY thing VVD has over Terry is his pace. THAT’S IT. I’ll say this, John Terry is the greatest center back the English League has ever had, bar Bobby Moore. Dude a top 5-7 all time CB.
Pace, Strength, Long Ball passing and 1 on 1 defending is what he’s better than Terry in lmfao VVD does 6 left foot switches A GAME let alone every couple games :/ Terry is undeniably one of the greater CBs we’ve seen in recent times but top 5-7 of all time is a ridiculous shout man. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Beckenbaugher, Baresi, Thuram, Desailly and Ramos are all better than Terry hell id even throw in Stam and Costacurta over Terry too
@@thatonebirtyd5058 let’s talk about it. John Terry was a shot stopper who could ball play. Nesta, Cannavaro, Thuram, Stam, Vidic, and Desailly were all defensively astute. Better at defending yes, but marginally. I’m talking increments. That said, NONE could ball play like Terry. NONE had his vision and rage of passing. Terry was the best of both worlds, a unicorn in the game. Finding a center-back who’s a hybrid of BOTH defensive styles is beyond rare. John Terry was that and more. We’re talking VVD though right? Terry was better at marking, intercepting, tackling, sliding, and was stronger. Dude would throw his ENTIRE body at the ball, face first. Terry had a better right and left foot than VVD. Terry was SIGNIFICANTLY a better leader and captain. VVD isn’t half the man Terry was and that’s a fact. Ask Van Basten what he thinks of VVD, youtube it. The quality of competition Terry faced was also far, FAR, superior. I support both Chelsea AND Milan. I’m picking Terry over Nesta, Costacurta, Tassotti, and Desailly.
@@Conker66 you supporting two clubs is all I needed to see let alone pointing out what someone else said about VVD lmfao 1 person saying bad things about him doesn’t make him any less the player he clearly is and does a true captain cheat his teammates behind there back with spouses? Again not football related but wow some great captain material there… when you mention great captains in the premier league no one’s first thought is Terry nor VVDs so bringing up he’s a better captain despite VVD literally not being captain his entire career is a silly argument. Okay so he can throw his face at the ball (quite literally) but VVD has mastered the art of standing on his feet and actually keeping players away instead of flying in and getting past over like a salmon in a bucket with no water… so because the names are bigger we should just forget anything before and after the 2000s since different Eras mean nothing outside of that time period? Once again we’ve been over this VVD had more attempted and successful long ball passes in his career than Terry does
2:00-2:45-Can't agree more with the Chelsea fan.To my mind, there is no room for comparison between the two.If you want insane numbers on the score sheet and consistency, you are going to take Salah but if you want elegant, classy and flashy ball-progressing moves, playmaking, passing, crossing, skills, you are going to take Hazard.Each of them on the top of his game in his own field.
Why did we spend so long on Salah vs Hazard when they are both on opposite sides & clearly both going in... Drogba literally did have a season on par with Suarez' 13/14, goals per minute was almost identical in 09/10 & Drogba's goals were against meaningful opposition instead of most of them coming against religated teams
People need to realise Cech played for Mourinho - a manager well known for bus parking. Allison played for Klopp - a manager well known for all out attack. Of course one will concede less than the other. Allison is simply the better keeper overall.
Huh??? How did Trent get into the team? Everyone knows his defending isn't anywhere near his attacking display. For a defender who knows how to defend. You can easily put in Azpi/Ivanovic.
@@SupaKrupa yeah it was a different time. And for that time people put the narrative that Chelsea parked the bus when it wasn’t true at all. If we use ur logic then every team back then was parking the bus
🧢 Allison never had big game performance like Cech in Munich 2012. Allison is better with his legs but Cech is the superior shot stopper and overall goal keeper
@TP-pq9xxKDB hasn't scored more than Lampard bro. Till this day you can't show me another central midfielder who's scored 10+ prem goals for 9 seasons straight.
@@teeqx7361 yk what? I agree. But it's such a commonly talked about topic. If Hazard was a more diligent athlete I'd prefer him easily. But it was Salah that worked hard and achieved a peak even if later than others
Its difficult to compare cuz they didnt really play the same position .... gerrard was better allrounded kinda player because he could practically play any position but then again what rooney could do offensively was better than stevie G so i guess it comes down to what criteria you use to judge the best english player but either of them wouldn't be a wrong answer
@@AirPierre I’d love to agree, but Rooney has it all… Uniteds top scorer Was England’s until harry kane took over Assists galore Titles and trophies doesn’t go unnoticed Heavily regarded by all as a premier league great, one of the best in the league… Yeah gerrard has similar qualities but Wayne Rooney was different gravy
@@ChubsEdits yeah i dont disagree with that cuz i do think rooney is england's best ever talent , Id just say Stevie G is better balanced allround defensively and offensively but not saying hes englands best ever player cuz since rooney was 16 years old, he was already levels above the rest
4:28 - disgrace, didn’t even mention Mane. Arguably our best player in our title winning season - was influential and clutch, nobody wanted to win the PL more than him.
Cech was great but he wouldn't be able to sweep as well or make nearly as many 1v1 saves as Alisson has done with Liverpool's high line and more attacking playstyle. Alisson's save stats are insane and far above other goalkeepers and I don't think Cech's would be as high. Not to mention that Alisson is much more comfortable with his feet.
You said "I don't think", don't think, but look it up. I would still argue Cech. 4 premier leagues plus 4 fa cups plus champions leagues says enough about it
@@djcrazy941026 How can I "look up" how well Cech would perform in a team that play modern football like Liverpool? Actually, the closest thing would probably be his time at Arsenal which wasn't exactly amazing. Also the trophy argument is so boring because 1) Alisson hasn't finished his career yet 2) Trophies are won by teams, not just goalkeepers and 3) Cech wasn't up against a Pep Guardiola nation state-backed oil team. Actually, he was part of a different kind of oil team himself.
@Simnuvo you said Allison save stats. You can look up Cech save stats. We don't have what if scenarios, we have actual stats and facts. It's not a boring argument. Watch the champions league final, watch how Cech saved 3 penalties, and he went in the right direction in all 6 during the game. I'm just giving facts, not what if scenarios.
@@djcrazy941026 The point is that I think Cech's stats would be lower if he was in a less defensive team that play with more attacking risk as his time at Arsenal suggested even though he was getting on a bit in age. It's a discussion that needs to be spoken about in a hypothetical sense because we'll never know how Cech would perform in this Liverpool team compared to Alisson but you seem incapable of that kind of nuanced thought haha. So you think save stats are the same regardless of the team you play in yeah? And yeah Cech done well on the penalties on that occasion (his penalty saving record at Arsenal was abysmal though), but you said "champions leagues" earlier as if he won more than one. Once Alisson has retired and also has the benefit of the same kind of nostalgia, I think he'll gain even more respect. I don't remember Cech being universally considered the best gk itw at the time the same way Alisson is atm. Cech's got more respect as time has went on.
I really don’t understand these debates. What’s this obsession with ‘PL legacy’? Suarez is obviously the ST. He’s arguably the best number 9 of the 21st Century. I just…don’t understand these debates….
They take longevity into account and its a premier league XI, if you were creating a team to send out on the pitch today, he would be your striker. However drogba had much more longevity and won ALOT more as a chelsea player.
@@Jordidwaard Yes but…why are they doing that? Surely just an all time XI based on quality is the more interesting debate? I enjoy discussing which players are superior. Not “He had 2 seasons in this league blah blah”.
@@Jordidwaardyes exactly it’s a premier league XI it should take into account what they achieved in the league as individuals and Suarez done more in a season
@@jonathan6730only he never though did he.. drogba one more than suarez and was a big game player he’s the reason Chelsea won trophies .. Suarez couldn’t help Liverpool do that
suarez was twice the player drogba was ,in the pl suarez scored 69 in 110 games drogba scored 100 in almost 230 while playing for a team way better than that liverpool side. If you compare suarez whole career its not close
No one can know for sure who’s better because of the era and different systems. I don’t think any Liverpool fan would want JT over VVD and I don’t think any Chelsea fan would want VVD over JT.
@@Klad714 no. no. no.. JT is our country’s best ever defender and for his club he was revolutionary with Makelélé and co. José Mourinho really came to England and changed the game. He made the game modern 10-15-20 years before our eyes.
@@MummerxEl ya he is Englands best CB and Chelsea’s that’s not a debate. But Liverpool fans watch VVD and he has made about 3 mistakes in 6 years he’s been almost perfect and nearly won a ballon dor. It’s a pointless debate because neither side will back down on it
There’s no debate about the goalkeeper. It has to be cech. Why are stats so important for salah but cech having the most clean sheets in PL history and least goals conceded in a season doesn’t seem to matter? NOT ONLY THAT but in premier league history, only 23 goalkeepers have had a save percentage of 80% or higher across the entire season (data as of 2020). Cech not only has done that 5 times in his career (joint with van Der sar), but he also has the #1 highest save percentage ever in premier league history of 91.3% in 2006/07 and he’s also #2. Alisson’s highest ever save percentage across a season was 77.6% in his first season for Liverpool. DO NOT DISRESPECT CECH EVER AGAIN HE IS THE 🐐
@@teeqx7361 Nope. Mane has more UCL knockou goals, semi final goals, final goals, PL Goals, and was just as creative (assist wise). Mane clears. not even close.
Would deffo go suarez but what I find hilarious about the red fans is they moan about haaland stat padding. Bit of research look at suarez goals in that year who they were against. If haaland stat pads I’m afraid you’d have to look at suarez 😬😬😬
Actually its very close you england never had a player like messi cristiano maradona pele Cruyff to say " oh its him its not even close" you have like 5-10 players that can be in the conversation
Actual best combined XI Alisson Trent Terry Van Dijk Cole Kante Lampard / Ballack Gerrard Salah Suarez Hazard Could argue KDB somewhere in midfield but didn’t quite play enough for Chelsea for me to include. Robben also a strong mention.
@@codproof4687 For me, Alisson is one of the greatest we’ve ever seen and the stats reflect that. Cech was obviously unreal though so can fully understand that.
Drogba over Suarez is wild uno. Otherwise I probably agree with every other pick, even if I'd take Alisson over Cech personally. Still, better than most of these farcical combined XIs.
If Salah is so good apparently why didn't he start for Chelsea a head of the others??? Huh he is no where at the level of Eden hazard sorry it shouldn't even be a debate 😒... hazard is compared with the likes of Neymar and Messi not with a player that play like a robot. If u think Salah is better than Eden hazard I just can't associate with you it's crazy how football turned into numbers...
Wow what a dogshit take. I assume you also think De Bruyne is crap and overrated as he couldnt get into the team at the time. Anyone that compared Hazard to Neymar and Messi are either deluded Chelsea fans or complete morons.
He didn't start because he was young and Jose was in charge. Even de bryune couldn't start under Jose. Look at them now. After leaving Chelsea and Jose... no disrespect to Jose , love that man but he is like a dictator .
what a bs argument, with that debate oscar and mata are better than kdb because they stopped him from getting in that chelsea squad. chelsea’s inability to see a good player when they have one and sell their best talent to other clubs has no relevance on the level mo salah has reached.
It's so refreshing to see a non biased team selection. Both lads were fair. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would have been a joke. The only one I disagree with is Drogba over Suarez.
Not in the premier league. Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
All the points you could make for John Terry in an argument against van Dijk and you pick passing, the 1 unquestionable thing van Dijk is sooooo much better at😂
Gerrard is the most overrated midfielder of all time, but he does make this combined 11. as a neutral that don`t support any PL club GK-Cech LB-Cole CB-Terry CB-VVD RB-Trent DM-Fabinho CM-Gerrard AM-Lampard LW-Hazard(although i think Mane does have a fair shout to be above Hazard) S-Drogba(I think Suarez is the better striker, but Drogba does have far more longevity in the PL then Suarez) RW-Salah
@@dozz87 He is, overrated doesn`t mean bad. Gerrard is obviously a legend of the game, so he was very good. But on the all time midfielders list he is low on the list, and Liverpool fans treat him like he is comparable to the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Modric, Zidane, Gullit, Lampard, Scholes, and he simply isn`t.
@@calm123 Kante is the better overrall player then Fabinho, but he wasn`t a true DM. i think Fabinho is better then Makelele, but it`s close. Kante is better, but not a DM.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam ability wise , Alisson edges it cuz he offers more as a GK ... ppl keeping bringing up Honours and although they are important , theyre not the only factor to be considered... Stevie G never won a Prem yet hes better than every chelsea midefielder in their history... All I'm saying is theres a debate to be had there with the goalies whereas the rest of the 11 practically picks itself
Is Doyle right or do you back Zac?
Who's better: Terry or Van Dijk?👇
JT
Terry
Van Dijk
Terry easily
terry
Correct answer:
Cech
Trent Terry Virgil Cole
Lamps kante gerrard
Salah Suarez hazard
U know ball mate! Perfect combined 11
Yeah. You pretty much just saved us all about 25 min
No one cares about your opinion
@@DAVID-kl6iiokay David btw haha
agree
I dislike Suarez as a person, but he was undeniably incredible. Had it not been for Ronaldo, Messi and his character then Suarez would have multiple Balon d’ors
Ronaldo’s greatest ever season was in 2015. He made 84 g/a that year.
Suarez had 83…… in his prime, 2013-17, he averaged 56 goal contributions per season. The only other plays in the history of the sport to match those numbers is Messi, Lewa, and G. Muller.
Luis Suarez is indeed, one of the greatest strikers, footballers, the game has ever known. The eye proves it and so does the numbers.
@@Conker66 Not really comparable to Ronaldo and Messi due to longevity though. Suarez Peak is almost Ronaldo level, Messi a tier above, but overall career Ronaldo and Messi blows him out of the water
@@fr0ntend That's coz Messi was the main focus jus like Benzema sacrificed for cr7.
Context is a beautiful thing. Use it.
@@oblitorix21 How about you actually address the argument presented instead of coming with some nilly willy statement that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@@fr0ntend I would say Lewa, Ibra & Suarez are in their own bracket just below. Considering how great cr7 and Messi have been that's by no means unimpressive. They all deserve a balloon d'or but yeah. It went to Messi and Ronaldo even in years they probably didn't deserve it
Ivanovich gets no respect from Chelsea fans. Not even a shout
Neither does Carvalho, criminally underrated
Ivanovic was far better than Azpilicueta
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@@LoyalFan9383 Yes he scored crucial goals in the 2012 champions league campaign and in the 2013 Europa league Final
"I think Alisson is still playing" - epic ball knowledge on show today!
"Terry was a better passer than Van Dijk" is a delusional statement 😂
You clearly don’t know ball hahahahaha
Loool how is that delusional he was clearly a better passer.
@@ashconbeats8414 terry is a better tackler and raw defender than vvd, but vvd is for sure better at passing. There’s a difference between thinking vvd is overrated and completely ignoring all his world class attributes
@@ashconbeats8414Terry was objectively a better passer than Van Dijk
@@Jordidwaardwhat have I just heard please stop talking 🤣 mans talking about assists hahahahhaha, npcs man
The funny thing is if Suarez and Drogba took penalties they would both have a better PL goal scoring season than Haaland’s record breaking one.
This Liverpool fan should have fought for Suarez more, he just was the better striker
No. It's a premier league 11. Drogba had way more good seasons in the Prem than Suarez. Overall it would be Suarez but for the Prem it's Drogba 100%
Súarez only being at Liverpool for 2 and a half seasons hurts his case unfortunately. If he was there for 4 or 5 seasons it wouldn’t be a debate.
I can't argue that it is Drogba, based on accomplishments in the Premier League. But i will crack a laugh if anyone says as a footballer, Drogba was better. Suarez did incredible things in an absolutely dreadful Liverpool team, then got his name in the MSN, which will be the golden standard for decades to come. Like come on. Drogba wouldn't even carry Messi's waterbottle.
Suarez carrying a rubbish Liverpool side in comparison to the juggernaut team that Chelsea was, it makes up for the difference in years. Suarez > Drogba in any metric
Don't be dumb. Drogba had a better prem legacy. It's not that complicated. Suarez liked biting opponents tho. @@eldiego68
Most goals in the league since the start of 2017/18 season:
1.salah-137
2.kane-135
Most assists in the league since the start of 2017/18 season:
1.de bruyne-85
2.salah-72
But hey he’s just a g/a merchant who’s won every single trophy in club football that you can win with a team and has 55 goals and 19 assists against the big 6 in 95 games.
People act like these numbers are normal and any bum at any club could get them.
How many wingers in European football has more than 1 season of scoring 30+ goals in the 21st century? Just 1. Neymar twice and salah has done it 4 times. Btw I’m not including Messi or Ronaldo.
Even in Salahs best season with all those goals and assists Hazard still got more motm awards comfortably and has had 5 other seasons with more than Salahs BEST. Being the best player on the pitch is more important and impressive than getting crazy numbers in crazy attacking systems.
So you admit Lampard is far better than Gerrard since no other midfielder is close to his goal scoring return.
@@murraycooper9273not the same is it but hazard is better than Salah
@@RealNoble6 trust me the MOTM mean nothing because in any one game, every single sports media publication will have a different MOTM for that exact game. Plus I’ve seen player get a g/a and do nothing but get the MOTM or do one brilliant move and everyone will remember that brilliant moment and forget that he was stinking out the gaff for 85 minutes of the game.
Yes you're right, Salah will do nothing and then score a penalty or finally convert and get motm and all the hype because of the g/a. If you think that Hazard got them for "one good move" look at his heatmaps and progressive carries, progressive passes etc. Far more influential in a game than Salah will ever be.
tbf andy robertson was the top assister as a defender in Premier League history, trent just recently overtook him. its hard to pick him over cole...
“The things Suarez went on to do at Real Madrid”.. You what? 😂
☠️☠️😭😭😭
@@Helmutlang120 I think he meant Courtois. He didn't properly reference Courtois after mentioning Suarez
Robertson over Ashley Cole is one of the worst shouts I have ever heard
obviously cole is the best LB in prem history and he was always gonna make the combined 11, but its not as bad a shout as you think... Robertson is a top class fullback and doesnt always get the recognition he deserves because of what trent is doing on the opposite side yet hes right up there for highest assisting defenders right behind trent ... but cole is still the best no doubt
Give it 20 years until it becomes cool to be nostalgic and this will be a conversation people are at least willing to have. It's very hard to get into a combined 11 in the Prem because those spots are reserved by players from an era where English football was moderately successful. If they were as great as people want to remember, why didn't England win anything?
Scotland have as many international titles as England does. So therefore, Che Adams is an all-time great.
We are talking about individually here, don't go to another topic. Ronaldo said A.Cole was his toughest opponent. And some do consider Ronaldo the Goat. So yeah no matter what era, Ashley is the best lb in the prem@@imRehnzy
@@dcfootball1 You're not an individual in football though. You're part of a team. You know I have a point. The bias towards players of that era is very very favorabl. And with time I think the conversation will become a lot closer. The sport is a lot more competitive now. Everyone is just better, fitter. I think Kyle walker and Gary Neville will be a much closer discussion as well. I didn't say Robertson will be considered better. But when he too becomes this mythical player from a past time. I think he will get his credit in comparations. Just a shame he's not English
It’s closer than you think
I’ve listen to Zac on a few occasions now and I’m starting to doubt that he’s actually a Chelsea fan
I think it's his personality. One of those that forgets to bring something important into the argument.
Then has shower thoughts 😂😂
yep. Got azpi from Spain apparently, didn’t realise marseille was in Spain actually
He's a box ticker for the chelsea pr team, people slate Rory jennings but at least he's proper chelsea unlike this bloke.
Leaving out Suarez is crazy
“Drogba never had a season as good as Suarez” 09/10 37 goals in 44 games , does our fan know what he’s talking about?
I'd love see Drogba win a European golden shoe during the prime Messi and Ronaldo era😂😂🤷
True his 2010 PL season was similar to Suarez 2014, he didn't take no penalties and played 32 games only
Suarez was the 3rd best player of his generation behind only Messi and CR7. Drogba couldn’t lace his boots
Yeah but didn't he score five goals against Wigan in a 9-0 win on final day for a far better Chelsea side than any Liverpool team Suarez played in.
Drogbas prem legacy is bigger simple as. @@entmeister-general415
Alisson
Cole
Terry
VVD
Trent
Kante
Gerrard
Lampard
Salah
Hazard
Suarez
Cech. Otherwise yes
@@justaguyyyTrent doesn’t get in over Ivanovic
Huge respect for the Azpi shout 😏
Suarez and drogba have same amount of seasons with 15+ league goals.
Lol how about 20+ how about outscoring messi and ronaldo
Huh
@@jayzretrogaminz17was that in the prem?
Suárez has more 20+ goal seasons in the prem despite playing there 5 less years. Now what?
@@ElSeñorLump starting to think that drogba might be a little overrated.
I love when people bring up consistency about hazard...hazard was carrying teams to doubles since he was 18. Where was Salah at 18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25????
The one thing I'll say about Salah is that Salah could possibly make a All Time Prem XI, Hazard couldn't
Spot on mate anyone who knows football knows hazard is by far the most talented player and rated so much higher as a youngster. What salahs done at Liverpool incredible but it’s just bizarre how he’s rated Higher than hazard all time (which he should be) because on a technical level there is no comparison
@@Rob07544He's better on the ball, but no manager in football would take prime Hazard over Salah. You would not ignore those goal contributions. His numbers are ridiculous. Also lets not make out like Salah has no technical ability himself.
Loved the fact that they both could agree on each other's strengths and willed to give points
You people debating allison over cech dont know ball 😂 15 goals conceded in a season with pen saves included. It's not close...
Can’t deny Cech was great in that season, but you also have to look at the playstyles, Chelsea often played very defensively while Liverpool plYed an extremely high line very offensive way of football, which naturally leaves more space for the opponent to play into on a counter
don’t act like if Alisson was in that incredible defensive Chelsea he would have conceded more than 15.
He conceded 13 considering he didn’t play last two games of the season… I don’t even see the point of that convo
But then by that logic you could say that Hazard shouldn’t even be compared to Salah - In Hazard’s best season he only scored 16 prem goals compared to Salah’s 32.
People will use stats when it suits them but then ignore them when it doesn’t
@@97YNWA97 that’s a hypothetical
Team picks itself:
Alisson
Trent Terry Virg Cole
Gerrard Kante Lampard
Salah Suarez Hazard
Close calls: Cech, Ivanovic, Mane
I cant really see an argument for anyone else
Cech has to be in for allison
I’d put Azpi over trent me
Cech is better but wouldn’t fight Alison and for the strikers, Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
@@BeBear02😂😂😂
@@TaxEvader22LMAOOOOOOO
My only gripe with this series of videos is that they generally only involve supporters of the big 6 clubs in England with the supporters from each team debating over the same players each and and every time. There are 20 clubs in the Premier League and I genuinely believe supporters of the other clubs could have a genuinely interesting and engaging debate over the players of each of the other clubs- a debate between supporters of Aston Villa and Brighton for example over who has the stronger squad per position would be refreshing to hear for once.
"If I have 11 Azpilicueta I'll win the league."
- Mourinho
Achievements and consistency wise, no way Trent over Azpi.
That would be like saying Milner over kdb
Aight so you agree Conor Bradley > Azpi
@@LoyalFan9383 who is that
@@Klad714 I think Henderson is a better example. But yeah no way Henderson makes it to the team. So I get why Azpilicueta is not that big a call. But Trent isn't really a good RB though.
@@neorenjie Someone who clears your entire club
Cech only conceded 15 goals
And then the next season only lost one game. What we really doing here?
Those 2 things happened in the same season...
So
@@Kitumi578so
Cech also won 4 premier league, 4 fa cups, 1 champions league.
@@djcrazy941026 so
Ali
Taa Terry Van dijk Cole
Kante
Gerrard Lampard
Salah Suarez Hazard
Only difference I had was Drogba for Suarez. Think goal keeper, Kante or Makelele and Drogba or Suarez are the only debates
Cech is a must. I hear Suarez but in the time that they spent in the premier league I think Drogba was better in the premier league but I understand the argument if it weren't for Messi and CR7 suarez would have had a balloon dor. I would also go Azpi over TAA because Azpi did it for longer and he won multiple premier leagues and Capt it off with a UCL and captaining the club but TAA is good as well.
@@SuperKinlo😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@AITCH47lmaooooo
If this was all time 11 none of the Chelsea players even get a whif into this team.
Drogna over Suarez is crazy
Not in the premier league. Same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position
@@itiswhatitis2767but Ronaldo > Salah
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah clearly Ronaldo is better but not when you’re talking about premier league legacy
@@itiswhatitis2767 Tbf even for the prem he’s better
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah 🧢 😂 Ronaldo was good in prem but he never sustained the Level Salah has in the prem. his prem legacy isn’t like Salah’s purely cos of how long Salah did it for, no one is questioning Ronaldo’s ability but don’t disrespect Salah please as far as prem goes
Gerrard is the best player for LFC, all time
The only reason fans don't rate Terry is because of his controversial past. But proessional players and pundits alike all say that he's one of if not the best English defender in history. Think that he was the cog in defense in Chelsea's entire trophy history, including that season were they set the record of 15 goals conceded. Van Dijk only had maybe 1-2 seasons of him being the best EPL defender. Terry had 7-8.
Hazard was compared to messi. Salah is compared to Hazard. Hazard was playing every game for Lille when he was 16. That's why his career ended earlier.
Hazard>>>>>>Salah.
Also G/a isn't everything. Otherwise Liverpool fans have to put Lampard ahead of Gerrard.
Stop it Salah is the greatest #7 in football history. Hazard is better dribbler that’s all. Is there a #7 that scores 30 goals every season in football history?????
@@Baasta CR7 exists.
Wrong french team, It's Lille not Lyon. Don't waffle the petty defense of Hazard when against Salah. They both wingers and one has the mentality to go through opponents and consistently contribute for 7+ years. Hazard was always said to be lazym even by his own teammates. And it shows that he has no year in which he performed higher than Salah. And when he went a team that could win the CL he ended up winning as a passenger
Hazard says Salah is “way better” than himself
Stopped reading when you said Hazard played for Lyon. That statement tells me all I need to know about anything you say afterwards
Cech
Azpilicueta/Ivanovic
Van Dijk/Carvalho
Terry
Cole
Lampard
Kante/Makelele
Gerrard
Salah
Drogba
Hazard
Drogba over suarez is crazy 😂😂😂
Alisson and Cech both sensational
Alisson
Azpi-Terry-VVD-Cole
Kante
Gerrard-Lampard
Salah Hazard
Drogba
Players who came very close were
Cech, Ivanoviv, T.Silva, Carvalho, Robertson, makelele, Mane and suarez.
Allison is porbably one of the best ever. A keeper that can do everything man, everything
My opinion is:
Ali
TAA, Terry, Virgil, Cole
Gerrard, Kante, Lampard
Salah, Suarez, Mane
Dt: Klopp
Suarez over Drogba is questionable. Mane over Hazard is delusion
@@YBrandinho80Suarez > drogba is not questionable
You know what, I think this is a pretty damn good result! What a team btw!
Wait, Joe Cole over Salah? That clueless man deserves a lifetime ban.
That’s not what he’s saying and he didn’t even argue against Salah at all. They both put forward their teams best player’s in that position and they debate who gets in the team. If you watch other episodes that’s how it works.
Typical loserpool fan didn't watch the video properly but wanted to comment so badly for likes
You are right. Salah deserves more respect in my opinion. I remember he started that game in April 2014 and even got booked. His celebrations after Demba Ba goal were joyful and sincere. What a talent he was back then. Big up to Chelsea legend Chicken Tikka Mosalah! 😆
What happened to Liverpool fans? Can see a common stupidity in most of them.
@@throne77fghgh86 Awh someone’s having a rough day
good one lads! no emotional biasness 🙌
JT is the best CB England & the PL ever had
Salah has more g/a in the champions league than hazard has appearances, nuff said
Salah has more than r9 enough said
John O'Shea has 5 PL winning medals, Gerrard has none, ''nuff said''
All that means is that Sarah played in the CL more times than Hazard loool. What point are you trying to make???
Salah is better than Hazard but you made a poor point
@@qwertyvypez Dats the whole point..the more u play at the highest level the greater the player
@@Sakib97Chelsea have 0 trophies without Roman, ‘nuff said’ 😂😂😂😂😂
As a Liverpool fan, of course I’ll have Trent, but Ivanovicin his prime was an absolute tank who was equally good going forward. Man was so dangerous and impossible to get past. Definitely top 5 RB’s in PL history.
Allison is amongst the greatest goalkeepers of all time already. His level is just at a stage very few have ever hit if any.
Yup. I'd pick Terry over VVD because Terry really made Cech look greater. VVD Is brilliant but Alisson is very often left on his own to avert disasters. I know tactical system comes into play there too. But Terry was always exactly where he needed to be, and i truly believe Alisson would've done as good or better in that Chelsea team
Who's got the most clean sheets in prem history? Case closed.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam It doesn't reflect a goalkeepers ability. It depends on the team around them and the tactic. You need save percentages and xga to see it for what it is. Haaland will score twice as many goals if he has De Bruyne providing for him. That doesn't make Haaland better or worse. Other things impact a number like that. That's why xg was introduced.
@@imRehnzyyeah and without terry cech clutched up in the ucl final. Saved 3 pens and dived the right way for all.
@@imRehnzyvan dijk could do anything Terry could do but Terry couldn’t do what van dijk can do. That’s the difference
JT has more trophies. You also need to compare the quality of strikers that Terry defended against vs VVD. I bet atleast 2 of the top 3 strikers in the premier league on most people's list were from JT's era and those 2 would say JT was a nightmare to play against. Add to all this, his goalscoring ability and his leadership. His leadership alone won Chelsea so many trophies.
Only correct answer from a United fan, so no bias:
Allison
TAA, Virg, JT, Coke
Kante, Frank, Stevie
Salah, Suarez, Eden
sorry but alisson is not better than Cech
Cech>> Alisson
@@TheOGTriumphI agree alisson is much better
@@calm123at what 😂😂😂😂
@LoyalFan938327 clean sheets in a season and only 15 goals conceded???
What a team that is. 😍
I’m a Chelsea fan and I love Didier probably more than my dad but I’d have Suarez up there in front of him.
A forward line of Salah, Suarez, and Hazard
The best footballer he’s ever seen play for Liverpool…is a Chelsea reject. Funny that.
Chelshit is small pub club
Your club was only successful because of a KGB agent's blood money. Literally a nothing club.
then they begged for him to come
Yeah it is funny. Let’s all laugh at Chelsea 😂
Since when did Gerrard play for Chelsea?
Love how they did all time XI for this one since even they knew only Palmer would make the current combined XI 🤣
Where would you play palmer in our current 11,I dont think he get in our front 3 and I don't think he suits our midfield play
I think he is chelsea best player this season but just don't see how he would fit
@@matthewlynch5124any coach worth their salt would find a way to fit Palmer in, especially in that Right Half Space.
@@matthewlynch5124 As much as I rate Szobo, he has let us down a few times, and that's the position where Palmer shines best in the CAM spot
@@dapukisgoingon you may have a point regarding dom, maybe he could do with adding goals in that department
John Terry was two footed and would constantly switch play, again, WITH BOTH FEET, effortlessly.
Those who think VVD could pass better either have just barely started watching football or are delus*onal.
The ONLY thing VVD has over Terry is his pace. THAT’S IT.
I’ll say this, John Terry is the greatest center back the English League has ever had, bar Bobby Moore.
Dude a top 5-7 all time CB.
Pace, Strength, Long Ball passing and 1 on 1 defending is what he’s better than Terry in lmfao VVD does 6 left foot switches A GAME let alone every couple games :/ Terry is undeniably one of the greater CBs we’ve seen in recent times but top 5-7 of all time is a ridiculous shout man. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Beckenbaugher, Baresi, Thuram, Desailly and Ramos are all better than Terry hell id even throw in Stam and Costacurta over Terry too
VVD have everything.. Terry doesnt.
@@thatonebirtyd5058 let’s talk about it.
John Terry was a shot stopper who could ball play. Nesta, Cannavaro, Thuram, Stam, Vidic, and Desailly were all defensively astute. Better at defending yes, but marginally. I’m talking increments. That said, NONE could ball play like Terry. NONE had his vision and rage of passing. Terry was the best of both worlds, a unicorn in the game. Finding a center-back who’s a hybrid of BOTH defensive styles is beyond rare. John Terry was that and more.
We’re talking VVD though right? Terry was better at marking, intercepting, tackling, sliding, and was stronger. Dude would throw his ENTIRE body at the ball, face first.
Terry had a better right and left foot than VVD. Terry was SIGNIFICANTLY a better leader and captain. VVD isn’t half the man Terry was and that’s a fact. Ask Van Basten what he thinks of VVD, youtube it. The quality of competition Terry faced was also far, FAR, superior.
I support both Chelsea AND Milan. I’m picking Terry over Nesta, Costacurta, Tassotti, and Desailly.
@@2muchblackcoffee sir, that statement alone verifies you have never seen Terry play.
Other than pace, what did VVD have that Terry didn’t.
@@Conker66 you supporting two clubs is all I needed to see let alone pointing out what someone else said about VVD lmfao 1 person saying bad things about him doesn’t make him any less the player he clearly is and does a true captain cheat his teammates behind there back with spouses? Again not football related but wow some great captain material there… when you mention great captains in the premier league no one’s first thought is Terry nor VVDs so bringing up he’s a better captain despite VVD literally not being captain his entire career is a silly argument. Okay so he can throw his face at the ball (quite literally) but VVD has mastered the art of standing on his feet and actually keeping players away instead of flying in and getting past over like a salmon in a bucket with no water… so because the names are bigger we should just forget anything before and after the 2000s since different Eras mean nothing outside of that time period? Once again we’ve been over this VVD had more attempted and successful long ball passes in his career than Terry does
Drogba is king. What is this nonesense.
Not that close to Suarez’s level
@Do27gg lol put the crack pipe down.
Great fun this! Looking forward to the game on Sunday! 💙
My team - 4-3-3
Allison
TAA, Van Djik, Terry, Cole
Gerrard, Kante, Lampard
Salah, Drogba, Hazard
spot on except suarez for drogba
@@kenzieclark3714 I prefer Drogba over suarez
@@kenzieclark3714 only positions where I think there is debate is the Kepler, Kante or Makelele and Suarez or Drogba.
Taa over azpilicueta ????
@@gulamshabir9162 it was TAA or Ivanovic for me. Think the passing and crossing from TAA for that front 3 would be lethal
There is no one that can argue about kante in that position.....that man was a machine
2:00-2:45-Can't agree more with the Chelsea fan.To my mind, there is no room for comparison between the two.If you want insane numbers on the score sheet and consistency, you are going to take Salah but if you want elegant, classy and flashy ball-progressing moves, playmaking, passing, crossing, skills, you are going to take Hazard.Each of them on the top of his game in his own field.
Why did we spend so long on Salah vs Hazard when they are both on opposite sides & clearly both going in...
Drogba literally did have a season on par with Suarez' 13/14, goals per minute was almost identical in 09/10 & Drogba's goals were against meaningful opposition instead of most of them coming against religated teams
People need to realise Cech played for Mourinho - a manager well known for bus parking. Allison played for Klopp - a manager well known for all out attack. Of course one will concede less than the other. Allison is simply the better keeper overall.
Huh??? How did Trent get into the team? Everyone knows his defending isn't anywhere near his attacking display.
For a defender who knows how to defend. You can easily put in Azpi/Ivanovic.
Yeah Chelsea that scored the 2nd most goals in the league in 04/05 parked the bus.
@@teeqx7361 72 goals. For reference, last season 7 teams outscored that Chelsea team. Football is far more attacking now.
@@SupaKrupa yeah it was a different time. And for that time people put the narrative that Chelsea parked the bus when it wasn’t true at all. If we use ur logic then every team back then was parking the bus
🧢 Allison never had big game performance like Cech in Munich 2012. Allison is better with his legs but Cech is the superior shot stopper and overall goal keeper
Saying Cech isn’t the best because he had JT, but proceed to say Allison is better even though he has Virgil ?💀
Cant use the consistancy/stats for the salah shout then say gerrard is better than lampard when the stats don't back him up
Depends on which stats don't it? Midfielders are so diverse in roles compared to wingers
@TP-pq9xxKDB hasn't scored more than Lampard bro.
Till this day you can't show me another central midfielder who's scored 10+ prem goals for 9 seasons straight.
@@ucbrowser2447salah and hazard aren’t even the same type of players. Just because they both played winger doesn’t mean they had the same role
Completely different positions and you don’t just use stats lol
@@teeqx7361 yk what? I agree. But it's such a commonly talked about topic. If Hazard was a more diligent athlete I'd prefer him easily. But it was Salah that worked hard and achieved a peak even if later than others
This whole thing was null in void when Mane was compared to Hazard.
Mane was twice the player Hazard was.
The stats don't lie.
“Tell me who’s better than gerrard” Wayne Rooney is the best English player of all time… imo
Bobby Charlton exists as well mate!
Its difficult to compare cuz they didnt really play the same position .... gerrard was better allrounded kinda player because he could practically play any position but then again what rooney could do offensively was better than stevie G so i guess it comes down to what criteria you use to judge the best english player but either of them wouldn't be a wrong answer
@@AirPierre I’d love to agree, but Rooney has it all…
Uniteds top scorer
Was England’s until harry kane took over
Assists galore
Titles and trophies doesn’t go unnoticed
Heavily regarded by all as a premier league great, one of the best in the league…
Yeah gerrard has similar qualities but Wayne Rooney was different gravy
@@AirPierreyea i think gerrard is STILL better all-rounder 😅
@@ChubsEdits yeah i dont disagree with that cuz i do think rooney is england's best ever talent , Id just say Stevie G is better balanced allround defensively and offensively but not saying hes englands best ever player cuz since rooney was 16 years old, he was already levels above the rest
4:28 - disgrace, didn’t even mention Mane. Arguably our best player in our title winning season - was influential and clutch, nobody wanted to win the PL more than him.
Gerrard wishes he was half of what Lamps was
holy moly, someone call the delulu doctor
Gerrard is the best english footballer of all time
Wish?
Well thankfully that's only in your head 😂
It's always stats to win salah vs hazard then lamps is better than Gerrard.. double standards lol
cech- Ivanovic Terry vvd cole- gerrard kante- salah mata hazard- Suarez
Cech was great but he wouldn't be able to sweep as well or make nearly as many 1v1 saves as Alisson has done with Liverpool's high line and more attacking playstyle. Alisson's save stats are insane and far above other goalkeepers and I don't think Cech's would be as high. Not to mention that Alisson is much more comfortable with his feet.
You said "I don't think", don't think, but look it up. I would still argue Cech. 4 premier leagues plus 4 fa cups plus champions leagues says enough about it
@@djcrazy941026 How can I "look up" how well Cech would perform in a team that play modern football like Liverpool? Actually, the closest thing would probably be his time at Arsenal which wasn't exactly amazing. Also the trophy argument is so boring because 1) Alisson hasn't finished his career yet 2) Trophies are won by teams, not just goalkeepers and 3) Cech wasn't up against a Pep Guardiola nation state-backed oil team. Actually, he was part of a different kind of oil team himself.
@Simnuvo you said Allison save stats. You can look up Cech save stats. We don't have what if scenarios, we have actual stats and facts. It's not a boring argument. Watch the champions league final, watch how Cech saved 3 penalties, and he went in the right direction in all 6 during the game. I'm just giving facts, not what if scenarios.
@@djcrazy941026 The point is that I think Cech's stats would be lower if he was in a less defensive team that play with more attacking risk as his time at Arsenal suggested even though he was getting on a bit in age. It's a discussion that needs to be spoken about in a hypothetical sense because we'll never know how Cech would perform in this Liverpool team compared to Alisson but you seem incapable of that kind of nuanced thought haha. So you think save stats are the same regardless of the team you play in yeah? And yeah Cech done well on the penalties on that occasion (his penalty saving record at Arsenal was abysmal though), but you said "champions leagues" earlier as if he won more than one. Once Alisson has retired and also has the benefit of the same kind of nostalgia, I think he'll gain even more respect. I don't remember Cech being universally considered the best gk itw at the time the same way Alisson is atm. Cech's got more respect as time has went on.
@Simnuvo you keep bringing up Arsenal, you mean after his prime days were over? Maybe you can't comprehend that nuanced of age.
Saying no one knows who Drogba was, I watched him against liverpool at marseille and was hoping we would sign him
Only Gerrard and Salah enters that combined 11 from Liverpool.
Lmao, that's the funniest thing I've hear all month.
Suarez, Trent, and Virgil walk in.
Chelsea are nothing without that KGB agents blood money
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭@@MGall_Channel
Oh that’s nice now warra 3rd UCL
Mane didn't even get a shout... outrageous....
When Hazard is there no mate
This is nonsense, the Liverpool fan who allowed Hazard instead of Mane. He also forgot Firmino embarrassing.
😭😭😭 lets be serious here
@@saidmahad6056common knowledge mane was levels above hazard
@@redsky209 hazard is better than both your wingers
@@saidmahad6056so
A combined XI would only have Palmer in the 10 as a Chelsea player surrounded by 10 Liverpool players lol
I really don’t understand these debates. What’s this obsession with ‘PL legacy’?
Suarez is obviously the ST. He’s arguably the best number 9 of the 21st Century.
I just…don’t understand these debates….
lmao. womp womp
They take longevity into account and its a premier league XI, if you were creating a team to send out on the pitch today, he would be your striker. However drogba had much more longevity and won ALOT more as a chelsea player.
@@Jordidwaard Yes but…why are they doing that? Surely just an all time XI based on quality is the more interesting debate?
I enjoy discussing which players are superior. Not “He had 2 seasons in this league blah blah”.
@@Jordidwaardyes exactly it’s a premier league XI it should take into account what they achieved in the league as individuals and Suarez done more in a season
@@jonathan6730only he never though did he.. drogba one more than suarez and was a big game player he’s the reason Chelsea won trophies .. Suarez couldn’t help Liverpool do that
I'am surprised Coutinho wasn't mentioned.
Robbo is highly underrated. Numbers don’t lie. As good as Cole was his numbers weren’t Robbo’s level
suarez was twice the player drogba was ,in the pl suarez scored 69 in 110 games drogba scored 100 in almost 230 while playing for a team way better than that liverpool side. If you compare suarez whole career its not close
Drogba was also responsible for defending set pieces.. and he didn’t take penalties.
@@azgardian32odinson Suarez didn't take any either at Liverpool. They still had Gerrard
@@azgardian32odinsonzo
Well Suarez played in very attacking team while Drogba didnt. Also Chelsea had Lampard, Anelka to share goal loads.
@@frankreynolds9930 huh
Our Chelsea fan doesn’t even know that we got Azpilicueta from Marseille…
That VVD rant was horror to watch.. even as a neutral you know JT is the best defender ever in the PL
No one can know for sure who’s better because of the era and different systems. I don’t think any Liverpool fan would want JT over VVD and I don’t think any Chelsea fan would want VVD over JT.
@@Klad714 no. no. no.. JT is our country’s best ever defender and for his club he was revolutionary with Makelélé and co.
José Mourinho really came to England and changed the game. He made the game modern 10-15-20 years before our eyes.
@@MummerxEl ya he is Englands best CB and Chelsea’s that’s not a debate. But Liverpool fans watch VVD and he has made about 3 mistakes in 6 years he’s been almost perfect and nearly won a ballon dor. It’s a pointless debate because neither side will back down on it
@@MummerxEllmaoooo
These Gen Z kids don’t know a thing, good some people have common sense #JT26
Suárez is the best 9 to ever play in the Prem. by far. Only second over the last 25 years to R9 as a 9 in world football.
. Cech
Azpi | VVD | Terry | Cole
Makelele
Lampard | Gerrard
Salah | Drogba | Hazard
Lmfao.
21:58 The Chelsea man isn't doing Cech any favours. How many long passes assists Cech also had. Zac just couldn't open his bloody mouth
got the worst possible chelsea fan on there
Yeah, hes got no backbone. The guys probably scared of his own shadow. The Liverpool fan was bullying him.
I think he was unbiased and really good. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would be a biased Chelsea mess.
@@MGall_ChannelRory is not a Chelsea fan bro
I’m sorry Joe Cole over mo Salah, I closed the video
The guy representing Chelsea doesn't sound like a Chelsea fan
Because they don’t actually exist
@@thatonebirtyd5058of course we don’t you 🤡
There’s no debate about the goalkeeper. It has to be cech. Why are stats so important for salah but cech having the most clean sheets in PL history and least goals conceded in a season doesn’t seem to matter? NOT ONLY THAT but in premier league history, only 23 goalkeepers have had a save percentage of 80% or higher across the entire season (data as of 2020). Cech not only has done that 5 times in his career (joint with van Der sar), but he also has the #1 highest save percentage ever in premier league history of 91.3% in 2006/07 and he’s also #2. Alisson’s highest ever save percentage across a season was 77.6% in his first season for Liverpool. DO NOT DISRESPECT CECH EVER AGAIN HE IS THE 🐐
Cause salah is good
@@loner45779 and Cech is the premier league Goat goalkeeper
Correct answer:
Alisson
Trent Terry Virgil Cole
Lamps kante gerrard
Salah Suarez Mane
😂😂😂😂
Hazard over Mane everyday
@@SuperKinlo nah, money has almost 2x as many goals as mane, and mane never took a penalty kick in the PL in his entire career... Mane owns hazard
@@mart1n10601ur not a football fan 😂. Ur da a robot bro like if we use that argument let’s just say sterling > bergkamp 😂😂😂
@@teeqx7361 Nope. Mane has more UCL knockou goals, semi final goals, final goals, PL Goals, and was just as creative (assist wise). Mane clears. not even close.
4 of the 5 players for Liverpool are in the current team. 7 out of 7 players for Chelsea haven’t played in the last 10 years. Nuff said.
What's your point ?
Drogba 2009/10 is better than Suarez 2013/14
Drogba had 42ga Suarez had 43ga but Drogba won the double (scored in the fa cup final) Suarez won nothing
@@Blues-zn4ndif you actually believe that you should get into badminton mate. 😂
@@Blues-zn4nd Drogba had a better team, Suarez carried that Liverpool team. And Suarez missed games due to suspension
@@Blues-zn4ndhuh
Would deffo go suarez but what I find hilarious about the red fans is they moan about haaland stat padding. Bit of research look at suarez goals in that year who they were against. If haaland stat pads I’m afraid you’d have to look at suarez 😬😬😬
Tottenham fan here hate to admit it
But john terry is the best defender and captain in the pl history
Rooney is the best English player we've ever had and tbh it's not really that close
Actually its very close you england never had a player like messi cristiano maradona pele Cruyff to say " oh its him its not even close" you have like 5-10 players that can be in the conversation
it is really close
Bellingham…
I’d argue the best English player ever was Sir Bobby Charlton. Rooney joint with him and then Beckham.
@@ntinoskap4413goerge best says hi
I have been waiting for this debate
Actual best combined XI
Alisson
Trent
Terry
Van Dijk
Cole
Kante
Lampard / Ballack
Gerrard
Salah
Suarez
Hazard
Could argue KDB somewhere in midfield but didn’t quite play enough for Chelsea for me to include.
Robben also a strong mention.
Maybe Deco too actually
Cech better than Allison lmao
@@codproof4687 For me, Alisson is one of the greatest we’ve ever seen and the stats reflect that.
Cech was obviously unreal though so can fully understand that.
@@codproof4687nice joke
@@LoyalFan9383 meme
Drogba over Suarez is wild uno. Otherwise I probably agree with every other pick, even if I'd take Alisson over Cech personally. Still, better than most of these farcical combined XIs.
Man said Azpilicueta won Prem 'SEVERAL" Times... When did Two become SEVERAL......??????
More than 1 means several
Considering Liverpool won 1 in 30years😢
Never seen anyone have a better individual season than Suarez/Haaland/Salah.
See Ronaldo 2008 laaaaaaaa , PL, CL, Ballon d'or, hope this helps laaaddd
Van Dijk is levels above Terry it's not close
Surely Van Dijk and Terry can both go in. Who is a third CB better than those two in the history of both clubs combined?
They’re both in the prem all time XI
Van dijk is 100% better than Terry. Not even a debate.
But it is a debate:) and terry is better
Dean Saunders is somewhere having an aneurysm at the Liverpool fan saying XI instead of 11, trying to sound different
If Salah is so good apparently why didn't he start for Chelsea a head of the others??? Huh he is no where at the level of Eden hazard sorry it shouldn't even be a debate 😒... hazard is compared with the likes of Neymar and Messi not with a player that play like a robot. If u think Salah is better than Eden hazard I just can't associate with you it's crazy how football turned into numbers...
Wow what a dogshit take. I assume you also think De Bruyne is crap and overrated as he couldnt get into the team at the time. Anyone that compared Hazard to Neymar and Messi are either deluded Chelsea fans or complete morons.
He didn't start because he was young and Jose was in charge. Even de bryune couldn't start under Jose. Look at them now. After leaving Chelsea and Jose... no disrespect to Jose , love that man but he is like a dictator .
salahs worst season is better than hazards best... Numbers do matter bud, hazard ONLY win in the eye test, its pathetic
what a bs argument, with that debate oscar and mata are better than kdb because they stopped him from getting in that chelsea squad. chelsea’s inability to see a good player when they have one and sell their best talent to other clubs has no relevance on the level mo salah has reached.
It's so refreshing to see a non biased team selection. Both lads were fair. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would have been a joke.
The only one I disagree with is Drogba over Suarez.
Not in the premier league. Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
No shout for Firmino? Cmon mate
Mate he doesn’t even compare to Suarez never mind you still have Drogba aswell.
@@jackmarshall-vc3rolol suraez is better than drogba what are we doing here
@@jackmarshall-vc3rodrogba 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂😂
All the points you could make for John Terry in an argument against van Dijk and you pick passing, the 1 unquestionable thing van Dijk is sooooo much better at😂
Gerrard is the most overrated midfielder of all time, but he does make this combined 11.
as a neutral that don`t support any PL club
GK-Cech
LB-Cole
CB-Terry
CB-VVD
RB-Trent
DM-Fabinho
CM-Gerrard
AM-Lampard
LW-Hazard(although i think Mane does have a fair shout to be above Hazard)
S-Drogba(I think Suarez is the better striker, but Drogba does have far more longevity in the PL then Suarez)
RW-Salah
@@dozz87 He is, overrated doesn`t mean bad.
Gerrard is obviously a legend of the game, so he was very good. But on the all time midfielders list he is low on the list, and Liverpool fans treat him like he is comparable to the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Kroos, Modric, Zidane, Gullit, Lampard, Scholes, and he simply isn`t.
Kante over Fabinho come on man
Fabinho over Kante or Makelele is beyond a joke wtf
@@alekhorsman6972 Kante wasn`t a true DM, Kante was a box to box midfielder.
@@calm123 Kante is the better overrall player then Fabinho, but he wasn`t a true DM.
i think Fabinho is better then Makelele, but it`s close. Kante is better, but not a DM.
10 outfielders basically pick themselves, the only true debate is whether you'd prefer Alisson or Cech
Cech got the most clean sheets in prem history. Winning 4 prems to Alisons 1.
Don't let the recency bias hit you.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam ability wise , Alisson edges it cuz he offers more as a GK ... ppl keeping bringing up Honours and although they are important , theyre not the only factor to be considered... Stevie G never won a Prem yet hes better than every chelsea midefielder in their history... All I'm saying is theres a debate to be had there with the goalies whereas the rest of the 11 practically picks itself