The Drinker Recommends... Spider-Man: No Way Home
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2021
- Did Spider-Man: No Way Home live up to everyone's expectations? Yes. Yes, it did. In fact, it puts every other superhero movie this year to shame. Join me for my (mostly) spoiler free review.
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Sorry Drinker but I've been making it a habit to watch what you recommend before finishing your reviews, so I'll have to come back to this one.
Is it truly good...or did ya sale out.....I would say it has to be good...drinker, could not , would not...but maybe
The Drinker rides again! Love it every time you upload!
A vanilla ice cream without a flake is a crime.
I'd love to see you review AMC's the Terror
when Dafoe said " you know, i'm something of a scientist myself" i couldn't believe that a studio could be so thoughtful about the fans.
My whole theatre cheered
Haha yeah and in the lab, having all the Peters pointing to each other was like the meme, only without the costumes 😂
Yeah....they sprinkled liberal fan service all throughout the flick without letting it overpower the story arc.
@@cutletofcthulhu8079 liberal fan service 🤨
@@cristiangalvan1219 maybe he means liberal as in using it liberally
Tobey Maguire agreed to be in the movie as long as they don't change or add to his past stories. In other words, he probably didn't want to be given the Luke Skywalker treatment.
He also only signed on if raimi was apart of it
damn him, we could've finally get rid of Bully Maguire!!
(joking; I'm glad he did that. An actor should care for his character)
@@Yarblocosifilitico bro
Wow, what a solid guy
@@Yarblocosifilitico Bully was the best part of all three of his movies for me.
Hearing Tobey’s Peter mention that him and Mary Jane are still together, likely married, is like learning about an old friend you’ve lost touched with for years is not only doing good, but better than when you last saw them.
Indeed. It also made me feel really old.
Completely agree.
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
@@michaeljava8736 you cannot have a smart movie that makes 100% sense when you have a multiverse bending wizard and overpowered characters like the ones from Spiderman comics...
There is a reason the most realistic you can get is characters from Batman . Because their abilities aint crazy
Ngl warmed my heart to hear it!
When Andrew Garfield said “ I always wanted brothers” that hit hard and is a amazing dynamic to see the other Spider-Man not just as an alternate version of you but as family and they learn from each other. It was simply amazing.
Also when he says I love u guys always gets a smile out of me even more so when I found out it was added in by Andrew himself
Also when he calls himself lame compared to Tobey and Tom it's a direct nod at people under-appreciating his movies
@@MariOmor1 In all fairness, Andrew's films were very rushed and Sony still hadn't controlled their ego of controlling how much they could shove in from Spiderman 3 from 2007
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Andrew did great in them. As far as his script allowed him to.
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
Well, round of applause to Marvel. They got Drinker to actually like a movie.
And round of applause to Drinker. He found something he actually liked.
I am actually surprised he did not bring up Sandman's breaking bad all of a sudden towards the end.
He also liked arcane recently.
🤣🤣🤣
Since my time finding his channel, I often think of him like a (forgive me for the nerdy comparison) PH indicator in science. Most of the time he has something to say or dislikes a film or show, and your own opinion can vary greatly if yours matches with his, but if he likes a movie, you KNOW it’s gonna he good.
A Christmas miracle! 😭
Finally the Drinker gives a *mostly positive phase 4 movie review*
Just following the algorithm to make some money
A collaboration film between Sony and Marvel Studios, which might I add was a masterpiece
@@anirude5971 The algorithm doesn't know whether his reviews are positive or negative though. He'd probably have gotten more "engagement" from a negative review too, if that's all he cared about.
And did anyone else notice he delivered the whole review SOBER? Wow.
I saw it aswell. It's the best superhero movie thats been made since logan, and guardians of the galaxy before that. Its back downhill from here, next films will be full of wokeness once they have their fill of babies crying on twatter that no way home wasnt woke enough.
The scene where Garfield catches MJ is absolute magic.
They even directed the camera work of him landing with her in his arms the same way they did when Gwen's head hit the pavement and it's so freaking well done.
and the sound design of the metal clanging around them is exactly the same as in Gwen's death scene
His reaction when he landed after saving her hit me hard as fuck - beautiful scene.
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
The Tom Holland 'Spidy Sense' scene in the apartment should be a masterclass in directing. The tension, the suspense. You really feel like your in Tom's head as he's trying to figure out who the threat is.
Yeaah that scene was special. Just remembering it gives that good smile when I see a good tense screenwriting
Yes, by far the best sequence. Especially Defoe's line
A little too long for my taste, but a good scene nonetheless.
Dock Ock : Norman?
Goblin : Norman is on sabbatical, honey
Electro : The hell?
0 tension you just know it's goblin coming back you just knew it when Octavius was talking to him right before the Spidey sense scene. Really no surprise predictable and overrated movie.
Tobey brought his wisdom of balance with being Spider-Man, Andrew achieved his long sought redemption after failing to save the woman he loved and Tom finally rejected the mantle of Iron-Boy.Jr and embraced being Spider-Man; it was a long road to get us here but the end result was worth the wait.
"Imparted". ;)
Nailed it.
Tobey let GG go and got someone killed and since Holland signed off on it (not pushing the button), he arc is dragged down as well. I am not sure how Holland can be happy at the end given how things went. The last spell erased most of what they did after all.
You could honestly completely skip Far From Home. With a little rewrite the Vulture could reveal Spider-Mans secret identity at the end of Homecoming, and nothing would be different
I always felt that was where Tom's Spider-Man was leading. I knew he would eventually break away from the tech and become the Spider-Man we all know after the high school years but man I did not realize everyone forget was going to forget who he is in the process of that like thats so sad. I really loved a major theme in the film which was getting a second chance through sacrifice and it really seems like Peter grew up in this film while the other two Spider-Men helped him out with the growing pains. This new era of Spider-Man has me really excited as we now enter the college years.
This movie did 2 things I never expected:
1. It made me feel happy that I'd seen The Amazing Spiderman
2. It showed Willem Dafoe powerbomb Tom Holland through a building
That fight scene was pretty brutal for a Spider Man movie, and I loved it. My dude Peter got freaking obliterated by an elderly psychopath.
My fave fight of the movie.
@@rafaellago172 tbf, he got some good hits in
@@fenris5932 Trouble is Pete was still holding back which is why Goblin took every one of those hits with a smile on his face.
@@rafaellago172 the fight scene the spidey sense moment before and after when peter is listening to JJJ on the billboard is a top 3 spidey moment ever
Willem Dafoe was just a treat to watch as The Green Goblin. Him creepily smiling when spider-man is throwing his hardest punches at him. Or when he just smiles and says "Norman is on a sabbatical Honey" is perfection. Why can't we have him as the joker
He would play a really good joker
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
That's a fucking brilliant idea. I'm genuinely surprised no one has thought of that before.
Wtf why have I never thought of Dafoe as Joker? That would be amazing.
He's going to be in the fnaf movie(my theory is that he'll play purple guy). Video game movies have a reputation of being terrible, but hearing that makes it something I actually want to see.
Personally, I'd like to mention the moment that Alfred Molina's 'Doc Ock' meets the Spiderman (Toby Maguire) from his own universe. The tenderness in the voice of this villain at once again seeing the Peter Parker that he had emotionally adopted as his protege, really touched me. I almost cried. Such a beautiful scene. Thank you, Mr. Molina. For my money, that scene made you the heart of this movie to me.
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
Plus the beautiful score by Danny Elfman from Spider Man 2.
Dafoe even got to meme himself with "im something of a scientist myself"
this film is pure gold from start to finish.
Tobey did too with the "ow my back" line too! Then Garfield helped fix it lol
And Spider-Men pointing at each other in the lab
@@joeydeeramone3618 The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand...
@@maqui1814 It was subtle and I missed it until a friend pointed it out, but it got me too :)
Doctor Strange stuff is bad.
Dafoe is 66 years old and one of the conditions he made when coming back was that he wanted to do the action scenes… talk about an absolute LEGEND
The guy absolutely loves acting
He is the man...
He’s also in amazing shape for his age.
When the first one came out he talked about considering that to just be part of the role. This is maybe even better use of him than the first movie since he gets to switch back and forth, lie and manipulate, and get into some true all out brawls. I just wish they'd used him more.
He played Jesus - you'd expect miracles from him.
Knowing what we know from when Superior Spider-Man knocked Scorpion's Jaw clean off, Andrew Garfield's line about how he "stopped holding back" was chilling. It wasn't just 3 of the same guy, and it wasn't just generic evil version, you could fully imagine Amazing Spider-Man 3 having him start putting people in the hospital, or worse, and becoming brutal and cold after loosing Gwen.
That was some amazing acting, and hinted at a story I truly wish we could of seen, but also feel like it wouldn't of worked any other way but this.
Absolutely -- kinda like "I met this guy Frank Castle on a rooftop one night and we got to talking..." OH boy. :D
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
Some things work better because they were implied, not shown. Sometimes, the things movies motivate you to think are more powerful than what they show.
I was one of those guys who was going to die on the hill that Andrew was the best Spiderman with the worst script. I love just how much this movie let him prove just how damn good he was as the character.
Let’s take a moment to appreciate willem dafoe green goblin , I gotta say I didn’t expect a villain like that on the mcu, a truly psychopath willing to anything , like you said he steal the show
It's honestly really awesome how he became both Tobey's and Tom's big villain, which on paper sounds like it shouldn't work, but they made it work really well. As far as Goblin himself he was horrifying. In the original he was a comic book villain adaptation done really well, but here he's a cold-blooded murderer and it's awesome
This combined with the canonization of Donofrios kingpin from daredevil gives me hope for more truly menacing fleshed out villains in the MCU to come
JJJ was also great, as always.
My one and only gripe is that they didn't go a step further and make Norman more morally grey. In Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, Norman is eventually asking the Goblin for guidance. He isn't just a victim with no control. But either way, he was awesome
I just love when Dafoe says to Tom: Strong enough to have anything, too weak to take it! Just chills.
the movie that made all spider man fans realize, or maybe just me, that "hey, maybe we don't have to compare who the best spider man is between Tobey, Andrew and Tom, maybe we can just enjoy watching all three together and realize hey, they all did a pretty good job as Spider-Man after all"
Exactly. Even the whole debacle around MJ became minor in a way. This movie also showed Andrew was robbed of being better. Unfortunately, his Spidey came out following the Nolan's dark and gritty formula (as well as the DCEU) and it suffered for it. This movie redeemed it too.
Amen bro
im gonna put some dirt in your eye
Like Tobey and Andrew, not really a fan of Tom holland
Honestly yeah, i think more of those debates just end up being sidetracked by who was in the better movie and not who fit the character better, but after seeing nwh its clear to me as well that they all have unique strengths that make them stand out from one another
*spoiler alert* the 30 second scene with Mr Murdoch giving Peter Parker legal advice was the best episode of She Hulk in the entire series.
Can't imagine why William Defoe has never been casted as the joker ever, he will probably give us a heath ledger level performance for sure, dude is born to play the villain, and we love him 🔥
Green Goblin is now officially the greatest MCU villain as far as I'm concerned.
He didn't just live up to the original, he completely outdid himself. What a performance! What a film!
Yup
He had the most menacing presence, you knew when he showed up the stakes were high
Its crazy how 1) William Dafoe got Norman Osbournes personality spot on having not played him for 20 years 2) the digital de-aging effects. Looked like Dafoe literally walked off Spiderman 1 set
@@Charzhino indeed everyone involved absolutely gave it their all. You can tell this project meant a lot to people.
"STRONG ENOUGH to have it ALL...
Too WEAK to TAKE IT!!!"
Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin can now sit Next to Thanos,Killmonger, and Loki as one the best MCU villians and one of the best Comic Book Villians ever portrayed in Film.
This man stepped back into a Role he hadn't done in 17 years and gave a Performance with the level of dedication and class that hasn't been equaled since the likes of Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Patrick Stewart from the X-men film Franchise.
"I'm lame compared to you guys. I fought a Russian guy in a rhinoceros machine."
Garfield was so much better in this than his own movies!
He was always a great actor, the writing in the TASM movies just never worked in his favor.
Oh please, he was always a great Spider-Man, the argument scene he had with Uncle Ben, his romantic scenes with Gwen, and his interactions with pre-goblin Harry and Aunt May were all top-notch.
@@vishaansingh1019 agreed. He was incredible in Hacksaw Ridge
And it wasn't even in the movie lmao I was SO pissed at TASM2 for hyping up the Rhino as one of the main villains - even teasing the Sinister Six - just to have the only part we saw in the trailers be the last seconds of the film. Rhino was on every poster, and I was hyped to see a cool version. Instead, he was a cartoony bad guy and his cool suit was in all of two minutes of the film.
But, TASM1 was almost perfect.
I loved that they kinda joked that he was the 3rd Spider-Man
Thankfully the movie wasn't just a huge nostalgia trip. Honestly, apart from the 10-15 first minutes where there is a bit of useless babbling, it was excellent. McGuire, Garfield (who I actually liked very much as Spiderman) and Holland had amazing chemistry. Heck, now I want to see them again doing stuff, sharing their experiences, giving each other a bit of a nudge to keep going, to regain hope.
Most importantly they did what the MCU Spiderman needed. They gave him the loss that turns him into the hero he is supposed to become. For a moment I thought they wouldn't be brave enough, but they were and they actually subverted my expectations positively.
The build up to NWH is what I love most about Tom's Peter. unlike Toby and Andrew's versions we really see the character being a kid. His loss of innocence is much slower and more realistic. In homecoming we don't see bens death cause Peter still looks at that loss mostly through the lens of a child. Tony's death chips away at that naivety a bit more so by the time May dies and he's faced with the utter loneliness awaiting him (his friends might as well be dead too once their memories are wiped) it's gut wrenching. That's what I love about Tom's spidey. We know tragedy is coming for him but we've come to adore his innocence and want to protect him from the coming heartbreak.
@@Casualobserver3656I agree. Tom feels (well felt, I guess) like a kid to me.
yeah i was surprised about the good writing, but i think the fact sony helped is what made the difference, if it was only disney it would have sucked
I'm partial to the idea of letting story arcs completely run their course. The flip side is studios want a money grab so they continue the storylines until they've destroyed every single character. There's a saying: Leave well enough alone.
Spidey sacrificing his happiness to help others was handled perfectly in this. Even though it would have been easier to just effectively kill these villains, him making the choice to try to *help* them instead felt so appropriate and earned.
Hearing Willem Defoe say "You know,I am something of a scientist myself" was worth the price of admission alone.
that was amazing
The best part was that it fit perfectly in-universe on top of being a meme reference.
I lol'ed
That. And when he powerbombed Holland's Spider-Man through the floor.
It could just be my lack of knowledge of canon, but I was surprised Osbourne was able to go toe to toe with Spiderman. For some reason, I thought his superpower was military hardware/tactical thinking, and insanity. I suppose that concoction he made increased his strength and reflexes?
I just want to point out that Willem Dafoe actually did his own stunts in this movie, and that’s actually him throwing down with Spider-Man. At age 66, he still managed to bring probably the most grounded and real fights ever in the MCU. I think it just says something about how if the people making the movie are willing to sacrifice their bodies, the audience will realize and appreciate it.
Dafoe is one of my favorite actors, beyond Spiderman I loved him in Platoon, John Wick, Boondock Saints, guy always brings 110%.
I read that he insisted upon doing as much as possible and being in the suit for real. Love it.
Not surprised at all.
He's always stayed in great shape, if he's as healthy as he looks (no steroids nor HGH, unlike say Stallone), I can totally buy that!
Seriously? There was a moment where they were fighting and Spider-man jumps over him and flips him over his head, and it was pretty obvious that they used wires for the stunt, and my thought at that moment was, "There's no way Dafoe did that stunt..."
If he actually did, much respect to him.
I have as much respect for actors that do their own stunts, suffer the risk of, and actual pain and injuries when things don't go right - Tom Cruise broken leg for example. as I do with actors, white or black, male or female that can give a true, strong performance in a TV series/Movie, WITHOUT also being pretentious or behaving/speaking in public life in ways of the current 'Fad' to keep their popularity...... THEY, to me, are the ones that truly deserve awards...
Probably my favourite moment in this movie was when Peter was furiously fighting against Dafoe and about to kill him with his glider before Tobey steps in and stops him, making him realize that revenge is not the way and that it would make him no better than the man he's trying to kill. Absolute 10/10 for that scene, no super flashy action was needed yet it was tense, had so much emotional weight as I could completely empathize with Peter at that moment, and best of all taught a good moral lesson for once. Now THAT is now you do a proper climax, I hope we get more MCU movies like this in the near future.
The fact that the plot was entirely built upon the wisest, most powerful and forward-thinking superhero fucking up a spell 6 times because he didn't think to sit down and check the exact terms of a teenagers flagrant wish, makes this entire movie ridiculous. There were some good moments but "not getting into college" is an insane foundation for a hero movie, especially considering the amount of tragedy. It's like they listed every spiderman trope they could possibly use to nosh off the fans before tacking it together with a baseless plot.
It wasn't about him not getting into college which set the story in motion. It was him realising that the people that are closest to him aren't gonna live a normal life because they know who he is. The memory erasing was what he thought was required to let them live their lives normally. The only reason Stange messed it up so many times is because Peter kept adding new elements to the spell and the reason why Stange didn't stop it is because it would have been dangerous to stop it mid casting and he lost control of it due to the amount of changes there were
One thing I really liked about Tobey and Andrew in this movie is that you can tell some time has passed. They haven't just been teleported in from the end of their series: they've actually had adventures offscreen.
I REALLY would like to see more of their adventures now. A seasoned Spidey with Tobey would be great, and Garfield could finally fight an alien with Tom Hardy.
What I noticed was the villains all get pulled from the exact moment they find out who spider-man is really. But the peters all get pulled together at the current moment in their lives, suggesting they’re the nexus between all the multiverse. It’s a brilliant way to get so many characters who died and others who just didn’t show up again all in the same room. The spell had rules after all
And their conversation about the different spiderwebs was priceless
@@halonostalgiatheater7440 About that, if you go back and watch Amazing Spider Man 2 Electro never actually discovered Spider Man's identity
Damn right, and Charlie Cox, folks!!!!
Spoilers ahead: To me the movie broke the celing near the end with one single shot: the one with the suit and de sewing machine. That frame says a lot more than you might think. It says "no more tech suit, no more iron man jr, no more millenial bullshit" the spiderman we know is back: poor, struggling to study, to pay rent, to carry on with his life and yet still going on. This movie brought back the reason we love spiderman so much. We love him because he is us. Us trying to be better.
Tom Holland's Spider-man until that point was basically just a teen version of the Spiderman with the Iron Man style suit from that major multi-Spider-man event from the end of that 90s animated series. He was a guy who never had any major losses or setbacks, everything always went his way. He also was kinda insufferable and his lack of dealing with *true* adversity was a liability for the group.
It was great to see Tom's Spider-man grow out of that "easy power" stuff, something he'd twice had the opportunity to do, but for some reason didn't. It's honestly weird that he didn't just become an Avenger other than "so Sony and Marvel wouldn't have to strike up a bigger deal for that"
Bro, the youngest millennials are fucking 26. Come off it. "Millennial" is not just shorthand for "the youngest generation." There's a whole fucking generation after us now.
@@CyanMedic Yeah, but just like how most of the "boomers" being bitched about are actually GenX, we've gotta suffer being lumped in with Gen-whatever-the-fuck-they're-called despite many of us being in our damn 30s.
He was never iron boy Jr. But okay
@@lessalazar9068 he did get pretty heavy into using the iron man tech over his own abilities and skills to the point where he was arguably more than suit than Spiderman a lot of the time.
The remote controlled doom drones didn't help discourage such appearances.
So basically everything you like about the movie is nostalgia and the fact it has nothing to do with THE MESSAGE?? Okay.
Yeah fr. I'm looking for movies that I have to watch and Drinker usually recommends GOAT but dude seriously recommends poorly written nostalgia bait jaja. Rare Drinker L
It was great being in a packed theater with a loud and energetic crowd again.
It sure is. I haven't been to the movies in more than 5 years. I'm so excited to get back, this and Sonic 2 got me feeling happy to be in the movie theater again!!!
Idk where this idea came from that people need to cheer in the theatre. Legitimately almost ruins the whole experience.
@@CHIEF__ my mom grew up in the 70s, the birth of the blockbuster, and cheering was much more common then and in the 80s. it showed how relatable and gripping movies like the original Star Wars, Indy, Jaws, Aliens, etc were and honestly if a blockbuster doesn’t get this reaction I know it won’t be a touchstone one that’s talked about for years. you’re dead wrong but everyone got their own opinion
Yeah, my audience was screaming like 60 times during the movie and credit scenes. It was an absolute blast! I loved it so much I am gonna go watch it again with my husband!
@@connorqr nah its a cultural thing. Where im from people dont cheer or clap at the movies. Its just not customary. But i understand in the US is a thing. And thats cool
One thing I appreciated about this movie was that they didn’t just bring back the old characters for 5 minute cameos. Compare that to some other nostalgia bait movies.
Fan service done right is almost weird in 2021.
That really surprised me for i was kinda expecting the opposite. All in all a great movie.
@A Honest Opinion hell yes
True. even the latest Ghostbusters movie failed to do that.
I thought they would appear as cameos after Holland fought the villains. Thank goodness that's not true. I've seen the movie three times and that moment where they jump off the statue in unison gives me chills every time!
The one thing I don't get is why a really safe person like Dr. Strange would risk doing that spell. The possibility of it going "tits up" and bringing chaos seems like it'd be more important to him than Peter's problem.
agreed, and how the spell fucked up felt a little cheap in my opinion.
I thought the same thing. It would've totally fit the Dr. Strange from the 1st movie, but not after all he's endured. It's bad setup (with great payoff though).
Sure -- I get that, I really do. BUT bear in mind that this is the same guy that literally destroyed other universes/timelines just by making some different choices. What's his other self's line in the new trailer "Things just got a little out of hand." 😆
Another thing we have to remember during that specific scene Strange was requested to change detail after detail and when the spell neared completed (due to him possibly having experience casting it) Peter kept talking and broke Strange's concentration causing the spell to explode outward.
@@ProfessorFaceless Thats the problem. it could easily be avoided if they talked about it first, it's like the most obvious thing to do before casting a spell that can literally fuck up everything, wouldn't strange stop casting for a sec and talk to peter first, explain everything more clearly?
another thing is at the beginning of the movie strange didn't seem to care whether or not people would completely forget about peter, but at the climax of the show he now get's emotional about it.
but the pay-off was awesome regardless.
I loved this movie so much! When Tobey and Andrew appeared I almost cried with happiness! It was a PERFECT Spider-Man movie! I hope they give Andrew another chance. He redeemed his character and then some! The interaction between all three was a dream come true for me. And the villains... An absolute joyfull thing this movie!
I'm glad they actually let Tobey look his age. That scene where Doc Ock says, "you're all grown up" hit me in the feels. He grew up along with the fans that watched him when they were kids. He and Andrew got to be mentors to Tom, but can still relate to his struggles like they're the same age. This is a one of a kind movie and it was beautiful.
What the fuck are you talking about rtard? The writing of the film sucks ass. They didn't press the button. ARE YOU FUCKNIG KIDDING ME? I would expect the critical thinker to say "fuck off film",. They shouldn't have cured the villains. They were already dead in another universe. Why are you changing other universes? Should we go one by one and cure every single villain in every single universe?
MJ: do one wrong move and i will press the fuckin g button./
Villains: we killed aunt may, are you gonna press the button?
MJ: no.
FUCK OFF FILM!
For me personally, I loved how Tobey, Andrew, and Holland all played off each other. It really felt like there were three Peter Parker’s with their own history, but similar morals and ideals all talking together. Both heartwarming and hilarious.
Agree. It made me think about how much care I would have for myself from another reality. It was an odd thing to think about, but the way the Peters all understood what the others had gone through, was very touching, and unique. This movie was amazing. It is right up there with Iron Man as my favorite MCU movie.
I like how supportive they were of each other. The easy or lazy way to do things would be to have them try to outshine each other and be competitive against each other for cheap laughs and easy conflict. But the wholesome and uplifting interactions felt so satisfying.
"You're amazing"
"I love you guys"
"You are so cool"
They all liked and respected each other, never punching down. Was great to see.
@@jonbaxter2254 Well of course he's amazing. He's the Amazing Spider-Man.
@@ckmoore101 Andrew Garfield's line in that bit hit hardest: "Man, I wish I'd had brothers." That was it. That was the subtext. Any man who didn't have male siblings understood that line and what the characters were feeling. And they really did play up the whole brothers thing: Maguire as the eldest, most measured brother; Garfield as the 'forgotten' middle child; and Holland as the youngest brother who gets to do whatever the hell he wants :D
9:45 I think the drinker reconsiders this after Morbius
Garfield is my favorite Spider-man, McGuire is my favorite Peter, Holland is my favorite combo of both. I think Garfield got shafted by bad direction/writing/producing and ultimately deserved his redemption in this film and I’m so happy he got it. Just look back in that Comic-Con video where he was announced to be Spider-Man and you’ll see how badly he wanted to do the role justice and how excited he was only to get shat on in the end. He always deserved better and I’m glad he got it with this film.
Garfield was the worst spider man and the worst Peter Parker… his rendition was a bully as well as arrogant and conceited and vengeful and self absorbed with his wants being more important than anything else and all of that is the complete opposite of either Peter Parker or Spider-Man in the comics
This movie shows us that Andrew Garfield deserves at least one more movie. He proved that the failure of the second movie really wasn’t his fault at all. Please give him one more swing.
pretty sure Garfield's Spiderman is in the full Sony universe. so.. Venom and Morbius. it could happen lol.
I don't think people were really blaming Garfield.
No this movie proved that if AG had a script that had him aged mid 20’s it would be good. If you disagree then give me a good story with a sophomore aged AG Spider-Man
@@absenth2007 I was wondering if the Venom movies were set in the Garfield Spiderman universe. I guess it makes sense, but it seems like Venom is not familiar with Spiderman, so I don't know.
@@smithgdwg He is. Check after-credits in Venom 2
"I'm something of a scientist myself" and Toby repeating to Andrew that he is "Amazing" had me rolling!!! absolute treat this was!
I honestly didn't even catch that
That and "The power of the Sun in the palm of my hand" were definitely the most cringeworthy parts of the film, IMO
@@ParkoMollo More than a good reason why studios shouldnt try too hard to include memes into films cause itll date the film's quality at points. Though I'm never understand why that line from Defoe from 2002 became a joke as it doesnt really stick out as being that humourous.
I do hear that this film is worth the pandemic trek in spite of a few cringy lines such as these
bruh you guys are so whiners.
@@cringefairy2687 Nahh, the "power of the sun" one made sense. It's a line the character probably recited over and over to give his presentation, and then when he sees the much more stable solution, literally in his hand, he reminisces.
I didn't think marvel would be able to get me to feel butterflies after endgame but God damn I wasn't prepared for this one.
A teenager walks to the leader of a group of wizards and asks: "Could you erase the memory of everyone so my life can be cool again?", and he replies after a minimal consideration: "Yep, let's do it". And the worst part is that in middle of the spell the teenager just screw all up and we have a plot for a movie. Award winning script right there.
Ah yes let's just make everyone forget about me so I can go to the collage I want to
AAAAAND Wong... The actual Sorcerer Supreme, the one in charge, who warned them about how dangerous that spell can be... He just immediately folded, said "ugh I don't wanna have an argument" and walked through the portal and out of the whole-ass movie.
It's... It's literally his job.
I wasn’t expecting Willem Dafoe to be my favourite part of the movie… but his acting was next level.
When Tom fights him in the hallway, and he just cackles manically as he gets punched again and again… that actually unnerved me. Massive props to how Goblin was written and portrayed in this.
Best one since Thanos and probably for the foreseeable few MCU installments in the future
That Condo fight is one of the best fights I’ve seen in the MCU since Infinity War.
Ock was equally as good. Hell they even had some decent lines for Electro, and Lizard.
Right? As the movie progressed I was more and more on board, despite my caution. Yet when the goblin took over, that whole part of the movie I thought "Oh shit. Theyre actually taking this seriously." It was all a wonderful surprise, and I'm glad I spent my money on something Marvel for the first time since Infinity War.
Then he just craters Peter down the levels of the building, reminded me of the final battle in the Rami movie when he brutally beats down Spider-Man. Green Goblins always been a tank
Ironically, the end of this movie to me felt like the beginning of spiderman
It was a great reset. Spidey is done with intergalactic adventures and is just your friendly neighborhood spiderman again.
I think we might get to see him move into Disney + universe to allow for actual neighbourhood spiderman style stories and will allow daredevil crossover and others hopefully
@@TimStamper89 Imo, that should be Andrew Garfield. Venom and Morbius seem to be in the Andrewverse so there's a rich roster of small villains, but I doubt Disney will like that
@@frordondanksey1822 except that wouldn't be on disney plus as he's all Sony apart from this one time thing. Daredevil and the Disney plus series would be steerage from garfields universe and Sony can do with that whatever they like. Already rumours of venom and he fighting it out, morbius too and spidergwen
Yes! Dude I said the same thing, i said “and now, he’s Spider-Man” it was actually a pretty awesome ending, it felt like it was him going from sidekick to superhero
The scene where Garfield saved Holland's MJ and seeing the sheer emotion, joy, and relief of his face when he succeeds this time was so powerful; it had me on the verge of tears.
I just saw the film to do my boyfriend a favour, because I'm just done with Marvel. But this one is absolutely amazing. To add to this review: I really love how they took the time to have the three Spider-Men meet. And not just meet, they had an emotional, heart to heart talk. It showed that being Spider-Man is not all fun and games, but that's it's primarily a sacrifice.
They could have opted to just rush through it. Have a two minute meeting, a few funny quips and move on. But they didn't. They shared their love and their grief. You know, like human beings.
What a great movie. I am amazed at a Marvel movie being this good.
William Defeo can practically rescue any movie just by being in it. He is one of the great actors...can play evil, hero, leading man, humor.
Exactly my thoughts. The movie itself is very good, but Willem Dafoe is just another level. Great actor!
Yes great actor. Whether in Antichrist or Mr Beans Holiday. Steals every scene.
He is something of a great actor of himself
seriously, what actor can put on a better psychopath/evil face than him? he really is amazing.
Funny thing is he never wanted to be an actor, director walked up to him one day and said you want to be in a movie and he said sure fuck it
I LOVED the scene where the three Spider-Men were just waiting for the bad guys to show up and just...talked about their individual experiences in fighting bad guys. It was a nice, fun little bit that broke the tension, let them compliment and joke with each other, and was a perfect little microcosm of how I describe No Way Home: a love letter to the previous Spider-Man movies. Because it openly respects what came before. Heck, I thought the Andrew Garfield movies were "Meh" at best, but even I appreciated that this movie treated it respectfully and LIKED that his version of Spider-Man was given CLOSURE.
This was great. I loved how they poked fun at the old movies too. Garfield said he was the lamest one and fought lame villains. And the hole thing with the webshooters was funny too. It always bugged me that Toby had webs in his wrist, now they kinda retroactively fixed that criticism.
He was the best Spider-man though. Tom Holland is by far the worst.
I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but I kind of want to see a third Amazing Spider-Mano movie set after No Way Home now! I was hyped to see Tobey again, but Andrew stole the show!
@@easygrin1127 I say it again and again: Andrew Garfield was the best Spider-Man. Tobey Maguire was the best Peter Parker, and Tom Holland is an actor who on several occasions played a character named Spider-Man/Peter Parker.
I was in the movie theater when they mentioned the part about where else tobys we shooters come out from and everyone was laughing so hard but honestly the scene was so good because we got a break for a couple of minutes from the action and the emotional trains that kept hitting us and it was a scene of three of the same person talking about their differences and curious about each other’s lives which is a natural thing to do when you have another version of yourself come from a different universe
Agree with you completely here Drinker! Also, a good example of how to do the multi-verse thing right. Well done and satisfying all around.
This whole movie must've been such a nerdy dream come true for everyone involved. The three Spidermen getting to meet either the ones who carried the torch after them or the ones who did it before and they probably grew up watching. Some of them getting to fight and share the screen with their old villains again and in Tom Holland's case, getting to fight the same villains that he grew up with. And the same goes for the villains themselves, getting to come back to the roles they enjoyed playing and sharing the screen with each other and their old Spidermen. All the while with the rest of the crew sitting back and watching (some of who also probably grew up with Tobey's movies) and wondering just as much as we did if this was actually happening or if it was all just one giant shared fever dream.
Andrew's redemption had a lot of us choking up and others crying. Absolutely beautiful.
I never watched the Garfield movies but was still moved from what I got of his arc in this film
I wished he would have saved Gwen and dropped fake MJ
@@patawesome8951 Fake MJ? The original MJ didn't really care about Peter like the new MJ does
I almost cried not gonna lie and I don't cry for any movies
@@estheay3611 La Goblina
Andrews redemption scene was one of my fav parts of the entire movie and I've never watched any of his films, just seen the clips
I'm not a big fan of his movies, (though he himself was good in them) but that part where he saves MJ and is obviously emotional given how close it hits home for him, yeah they executed that well. Made me get a little emotional myself.
Dude. They aren't that bad. Not to mention, the Gwen death was pretty well done in the 2nd one. If you didn't see what he went through in that scene, then you can't really connect to what saving MJ meant to him in this one.
That scene almost got me crying
Me too. If his Spidey had been the Spidey we saw here instead of "Dark depressed Spidey because Nolan's Batman success" things could have been different. He kind reminded me of Thor in Infinity War because that movie gave justice to the character.
I tear up just thinking about it. Andrew does grief like a seasoned vet.
Dude your reviews are so on point. You literally hit on everything I love about the movie and some of the things I didn’t even realize that I loved. You are an incredible review guy. If I were a director I would be consulting you on storyboarding before shooting.
This movie felt like a love letter/tribute to the prior spiderman series and their fans. If only more of other movies were done this way.
When Tobey and Andrew showed up on screen the entire audience in my theatre cheered at the top of their lungs. And the fact that Daredevil is finally in the MCU makes me so fucking happy. And I think this movie shows that Andrew really can act with the right material.
Andrew Garfield was never the problem, the shit writing and direction was. And seeing Tobey & Matt Murdock was a true highlight of the film.
Same here, it almost made me tear up. The world needed this movie
@@LunaticFringeReviews IKR his emotional scenes are some of the best acting i've ever seen tbh
I recommend you to watch Hawkeye. First episodes arent that great, but the last one is interesting for Daredevil fans!
Mine too
I hope Garfield gets a third movie after his performance in this, with a proper script. He really did absolutely crush it.
That can be interpreted in two ways
I agree. A properly done ASM 3 would be fire because Andrew was a fire spider man.
I hope he doesn't. Dude literally told Sony that he wanted to make spidey a bi -sexual...
@@thedislikeman3575 so?
@@IxD3m0n1kxI - He may be bisexual, but Spidey himself isn't. To be fair, that may just be Garfield's publicity stunt to make the Twitterati happy at the time.
I liked that at the end they made him assume the consequences of his actions and basically made him part ways with his friends and those close to him as a way to protect them knowing he is not ready for a normal life instead of making him just gloss over all the events like it was nothing.
wait, Drinker. hold the fornicate on a minute now.
during Avengers: Endgame, Dr. Strange was unable to do anything but WATCH the 14.000.605 possibilities. now because an annoying Gen Zer is in trouble, he somehow LEARNS TO BEND REALITY?
and what about Chubby Third Wheel, the Gary Stu who StEaLs sTrAnGe'S bLiNg and is now able to open portals just by WAVING HIS HAND AND WISHING, and then suddenly FORGETS HOW TO CLOSE THEM just when the script needed the extra drama?!
yer going soft.
EDIT: did I say "portals"? I meant "plot holes".
What is great about this film is that Holland's Spiderman tries to do the right thing and it fails. He loses Aunt May and he gets beaten by the Goblin. He has to move on and continue to fight for what is right. Then, he is tempted to kill Goblin in an act of revenge but is stopped. Even at the end of the film when you think he has learned is lesson, he still fails. That's a real character. Then at the end of the film he choses a true self sacrifice and gives up his own happiness to benefits others. That is the mark of a true hero and something in 2021 to admire.
I like that they also basicly reset Holland for new movies. No more super tech, no friends, no family, no baggage from the prior movies. It's just Spiderman in crappy apartment. They are free to go anywhere now.
In some ways, his act of goodness did still help him, with Ock helping later.
So aunt may and mj die
@@TwoDollarGararge MJ lived
@@ngultrum1 Thanks to Andrew.
Whoever made this happen, deserves their paycheck. The scene with Andrew Spider and MJ was only a few seconds, but I choked, god damn. The look in his eyes, when he realized he found his redemption, the chills man, the chills.
Bro I didn’t choke. I straight up generated tears faster than any woman on their wedding day.
@@backspaceninja9860 sameeeeee
I cried, I fuckin cried. Cause I remember how dark it was when he couldn’t save Gwen, so when he redeemed himself with MJ and realized he actually did it, I couldn’t stop the tears 😭😭😭
This.
The crazy thing is, the people who made this happen are the same people who made all previous Spider-Man films happen. But they outdid themselves, big time!
Rented the movie on Amazon after reading your review. What a waste of time and money! Just a bunch of men moping for half the movie and action scenes files with cheesy punchlines.
Great videos Drinker, I legitimately have a ‘The Drinker Recommended’ playlist on my media player so this is going on once I get the Blu ray !
When andrews Spider-Man was finally able to do what he needed, I can’t even describe the joy I felt. And he fucking NAILED IT. I felt it all man. What a movie.
And Garfield nailed it with one look- just an awesome moment
that might be the hardest hitting moment imn the movie for me
I cried like a new born pup for its mama
Me too. I only wish it was shot in the exact same way as it was on ASM2 and with slo mo & emotional music at the background
I cried
Love the whole dialogue about Toby's web slinger coming out from his wrists and how creeped out Holland and Garfield are about it lol
Everyone did their part remarkably well, especially Norman Osborn, he was intimidating in his philosophy and groundbreaking dialogues, I loved doc ock interacting with tobey
Instead of been a silly joke , it came out really funny and natural...
@@sethottoman2588 everyone was phenomenal! I never watched Shang Chi or Eternals as I lost hope in Marvel but Spidey sparked my interest again. There's hope
@@adanpez2107 Seemed so natural it almost had an unscripted feeling.
I mean I don’t think they were creeped out they seemed more jealous and amazed by it
I feel like the first 10-20 minutes of this film is so perfectly anxiety inducing and fast paced. I loved the whole film. Finally, a good marvel film again.
Me too! I think that really added to the urgency and made it feel more relatable. A pretty underrated part of the film, for sure! I love the Talking Heads song they used, that added to the anxiety very well :)
Even after watching a couple of positive reviews I can't get why people like this movie so much. It exists only for nostalgia purposes, has a pretty dumb plot (even dumber then in other marvel movies) and for finally separating Peter from Tony Stark which then makes this Peter lacking any interesting bit in his story. It's like returning to starting point of other Spidermen and everything from before just feels useless, adding nothing to the story. And what new thing can Tom Holland add to the character? so far - nothing.
So on the point of the movie not bowing to "the message" there was actually a scene that is more deconstructive of "the message" that really made me happy to be honest. When electro says to Andrew Garfield "I thought you'd be black" and Garfield responds with sorry, I started to roll my eyes and tell myself "oh boy here comes the sermon." But I was genuinely shocked when he said don't be sorry.
and I know it was just a nice little nod to Miles Morales but that simple message of don't be sorry for who you are, instead of the normal be sorry because you are white and white is evil really hammered home the point of this not being in the same vein as most current era superhero movies.
Another reason that scene was fine is because Jamie Foxx is cool af
Jamie Foxx can make any film better
@@peterparker9954 Except the last Spiderman movie he was in.
Oh, I totally missed that remark from Foxx in that scene. I was facepalming at the time. Glad to hear it was not as stupid as my reaction perceived it to be.
You’re easy to please.
They take a dump on you every chance they get, and the one time they spare you, you melt.
You’re killing me, Smalls.
[*Spoilers*] While this movie had many scenes that were just...perfect, I have to admit Toby giving Andrew the pep-talk and remarking how he's "Amazing" really hit me in the feels. The three of them have such chemistry that I often wonder how much of their banter was scripted and how much was the actors giving each other props for their awesome jobs while in-character.
I love the moment where Garfield's spider man gets his Gwen-redemption by saving MJ. From the moment I saw MJ falling in the trailer, I thought "they better give Garfield this one" and dammit was I happy when they did!
This review was so bad I'm convinced you're fearful of being critical.
I can't believe we disagree on this movie...
Holy shit, can I just say how terrifying the apartment fight scene between Spider-Man and Goblin was? Watching Spider-Man desperately throw brutal downward punches complete with a choking leg lock around his neck as Goblins grin just grows wider and wider, building up to that horrifying cackle we all remember before proceeding to beat the ever-loving shit out of Spider-Man.
One of my fave scenes because of that monstrous cackle.
The last fight at the end between Tom’s Spider-Man and Goblin felt particular Brutal as well and I Fucking Loved It! Seeing him pick up the Glider with the knife after throwing a few good punches and then trying to kill Goblin and then all of a sudden Tobey’s Spidey stops him gave me Goosebumps. I Loved every minute of this movie and I think It’s actually THE Best Spider-Man movie now and probably might actually be in my top 5 Favourite MCU movies.
I loved that scene as it really showed how truly terrifying the green goblin can be with his super human strength. I feel like we didn't get a lot of that before. seems like in the Toby movies his power was more reliant on his tech even though we know he is strong because of the super serum he took.
I got chills reading that my dude!
Yeah I also loved the scenes where the goblin just power slams peter through several floors or his condescending line about peters morality chocking him while he actually chokes him saying “can you feel it?”
100% agree. I love that Andrew and Toby Spider-Man’s are aged and bring maturity and wisdom that the Tom Spider-Man needed to see. I think Stan Lee would have been very proud to see his legacy character come to this peak.
@@bonsai-zone probably the same way there's a spider person from 200 years in the future in spider-verse
@@bonsai-zone I think because he was the first spiderman out of the 3 universes. Remember Toms timeline is set in about 2030 now and tobey got to be spiderman long before that.
@@duncanohoge stan lee wrote him, steve and jack kirby drew him
Is this movie what classifies as good now? The fact that it doesn’t suck? I went into this very excited. Besides the quick trip down memory lane and nostalgia, it’s just your typical “more villains and superhero’s the better” children’s marvel style movie with something for late 80s and 90s kids. Cheesy jokes. The bad guys turn good for a true family friendly movie. The only difference with this movie is it’s not overly “woke”. I don’t get it…
The most disappointing thing is that the best Phase 4 movie is a nostalgia cash-out rather than a movie building to anything significant and does nothing to build my excitement towards future Marvel products.
Getting rid of Tony Stark and having Spiderman go back to operating out of his Queens apartment again was pretty effing cool and loved that aspect.
I just hope they switch out the "Peter got money by wrestling" to "Peter got money by fighting in unsanctioned MMA cards"
Da fuck are you on about, he was in his apartment for one scene then he was in a stark save house using stark tech the rest of the way.
@@crazydestroyer4283 He's talking about the end of the movie.
With Tom Holland taking a break potentially maybe a few years it legit might actually be perfect if he comes back. His character is old now and no longer the naive Spiderman we have seen prior to no way home.
when the two older peters were sharing their grief with tom's peter parker I damn near shed tears, especially when tobey's spidey was talking. I remember watching uncle ben's death when I was like 5, brings back those childhood emotions
I agree that three Peters sharing their saddest moments on the rooftop and encouraging Tom's Peter to continue fighting was amazingly beatyfull. And to tie up three different multiverse Spidies that way... genius.
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer I actually started to tear up at that scene. And what I especially love about it was that the movie didn't try to make immediately make you feel better afterwards.
I loved the way they handled humor in this movie, it felt so natural and genuinely funny, but it didn't break the pacing and the tension the way it often does. I think MCU in general has this unfortunate habit of injecting humor into tense scenes. Which works for some of the characters, sure, and I love a good laugh as much as anyone, but at the same time kinda takes away a bit of the emotional impact. And Spiderman was one of the more light-hearted heroes in MCU, so seeing him in such a dark movie was a big surprise.
Despite the brilliant humor, the nostalgia, the well-handled fan service and the positive message about giving second chances - this movie was DARK. Aunt May's death, Osborne's cold-blooded villainy, Peter losing his friends and family... And I really respect that they allowed us to feel the sadness and the shock of those scenes without immediately diffusing the situation with some witty one-liner. They just let it play out and then it takes at least few scenes before we get to the humor again, so by that time, the humor doesn't seem distracting but rather you actually appreciate it. I do like MCU as a whole, but this is one of my long-running problems with it, so I'm eternally happy that they avoided it in this movie. Mad respect for that.
Gewn's death was even sadder for me.
@@Eris_Norregard "I think MCU in general has this unfortunate habit of injecting humor into tense scenes. "
that was the big issue I had with Thor Ragnarök and GotG2
@@heliopyre I'm conflicted about those two, after all, GotG were meant as a comedy from the start so I think the humor wasn't such a big problem in that. But it definitely was distracting in Thor. Like, dude, your homeworld is about to be destroyed and your people slaughtered, stop with those smartass remarks.
As Spider-Man has always been my favorite superhero since I discovered comics at age seven, I had high expectations for this movie....and they were exceeded times ten!! I absolutely LOVE this movie, for all the reasons you outlined, and I will never get tired of re-watching it. When Tobey's Spider-Man and Doc Ock finally meet again, on the Statue of Liberty, I almost start bawling every single time. And the music in this movie is SO underrated, with some great callbacks to the previous movies at just the right time.
Fantastic analysis, Drinker. Now please review some more pile of yak dung movies so we can enjoy your snark.
I actually really enjoyed seeing toby and andrew come back and fit right back into their characters, especially the development for andrew!
When MJ fell and Holland jumped after her, I got a chill. Then he was picked off by goblin, and Garfield went after her, my whole body got goose bumps. What a perfect and redeeming moment. I was happy and sad at the same time. Damn
Definitely got a little misty eyed
I was genuinely crying
As soon as she was about to fall it was obvious Garfield was going to save her, though. To me it was impossible to feel anything from Holland going after her, since it was clearly a Red Herring, but the actual payoff moment was indeed dope.
@@princeimrahil6557 I too, cried.
genuine chills at that scene
I love that they didn't disrespect any Spider-Man and they all got a moment. Like you, Tobey was who I was super excited to see, but seeing Andrew getting the justice he deserves was awesome
1:07 every time I see this scene I think of metal gear solids "don't fuck with this senator" and kicking him In the face.
I remember watching your video about how modern movies were digging up and destroying heroes from my childhood and the generation before. That was shortly after watching this film, and the video made me appreciate No Way Home more than I already did, because of how it treated the older Spider Men and have them be the ones to influence the new guy when he needs it, while still getting some redemption of their own. I didn't really care for Amazing Spiderman, but giving him the chance to save MJ was a really great moment.
Speaking of MJ, I think she actually improved the most out of any character, even if it's because she had the furthest to go. In Far From Home, she was the one thing I didn't like about the film and her relationship with Peter felt incredibly forced. Here, she actually feels like a caring girlfriend.
Ned is still great and part of what gives MCU Spidey his unique identity. Am I the only one who thinks Strange is more interesting as a guest character than in his own movie?
I’m kind of surprised that no one is really talking about Charlie Cox being back as Matt Murdock aka Daredevil. Andrew is still definitely the highlight for me, but I had the biggest shit-eating grin when I saw Charlie.
I know right ! And the thing is....Daredevil appearing in a story where spiderman is in legal trouble...is *totally canon* the movie is just ...so much good fanservice....its amazing !
that was the highlight of the movie for me.
I had a grin from ear to ear when I saw the red tinted shades and the cane, ooooo boy. and when he caught the brick?!
I hoped that the rumors were true and that's what I went to see. It was icing on the cake, it turns out.
I've got mixed feelings about this. Daredevil Season 1 is absolutely one of my favorite things in the MCU, especially Vincent D'onofrio's Wilson Fisk. But after seeing Ep.6 of Hawkeye and what they did to Kingpin I'm worried, it was so bad I have no words...
When Andrew saved Mj and then broke down crying… damn man. That really hit hard.
I was not a fan of Andrew Garfield as Spidernan….but they fleshed him out and he played it great, was very likable, bravo
Yeah, I actually thought he stole the show in the third act.
Same here. And I was buzzing hard at the movie theater 🍺😂
@@thomasharrison8092 In my opinion he was best suited to be Spider-Man.
It's just that his movies were not as good as others.
Spiderman no way home was a good movie?!
Are you drunk mate?
Oh..
Phase four mostly sucks. But No Way Home is a huge exception.
I made a vow not to watch any movies post endgame, but spiderman is the exception
Part of what makes all the fights so good, is all of them except for one has "secondary objectives". Fighting Ock, he's trying to save the admissions lady. Fighting Electro, he's trying to figure out how to depower him. Fighting Strange, he's trying to keep the box away and just not get absolutely bamboozled by magic fuckery. His first "fight" with Goblin is him getting his shit rocked, it's not his fight, it's Goblins, and Goblin's secondary objective is to break Peter's spirit. The big rumble at the end has the obvious "secondary objective" of getting all the cures to the villains. The final confrontation of Peter and Goblin has no secondary objective. His goal is to kill him. It's to rock his shit, and kill the bastard. All the fights in the MCU are pretty much "defeat that guy", and this entire movie all fights have more objectives than just that. Except for the final confrontation, which is meant to be simple and powerful. These two characters, super similar powers, most of their armor gone, their tech disabled, just punching the hell out of each other (also the impacts in this fight are absolutely brutal). In a series of increasingly overly flashy CGI Gran rumbles, two dudes standing in front of each other is a welcome change because it's so personal.
"just getting acquainted with the rules"
"rule 1 spidey must splat"
"rule 2 ignore rule 1, rule 3 make gobby look goofy"
"oh i got the thing on the thing, what do i win"
"YOU"
"i win me that makes no sense"
"come down here and fight like a man"
"don't suppose i could convince you to come up here and fight like a spider"
spidey's always been a multitasker it's why he's got some of the best banter in any comics or TV series ever
That last fight between Holland and Dafoe was absolutely perfect. You really got to see Spider-Man being brutal with an enemy at a similar power level and Holland couldn't have sold it any better. The emotion was wonderful and you couldn't tell if you were rooting for him to beat the goblin to death or to have exactly what happened occur. It's the first movie in a long time I cannot wait to go back and see again.
Your apt description of the movie is brilliant
Great observation!
@@PrimerCinePodcast That’s like most action scenes though.
I’m totally glad Andrew got to redeem his Spider-Man in this movie. I have never fully believed it was his fault before.
He was just in two badly written, conceived and executed movies.
Agreed his whole character arc was rushed in first 2 movies compared to the first spider-man trilogy, there should have been a 3rd movie for a good closure, regardless he did his best to make those movies worth the while. But this movie remarkably demonstrates how befitting he could've been for the amazing spider man trilogy if given the right material to work with.
One of them was written by Orci and Kurtzman. Kurtzman is the guy that makes ST:D.
Garfield felt great in the role as Spider-Man. It was a shame how terrible the writing was in both films.
I've never blamed an actor or the characters they play. In the end it's the 'creative' decisions of the storytellers who decide whether a work sucks or not. I totally agree and I hope Hollywood learns from this.
@@dragonknightleader1 It's no coincidence the initials ST:D are the same as a certain disease...
I'm sorry, this movie was tripe. A haphazard story line, full of insignificant teen troubles about not getting in to Uni, a ton of convieniant twists even for a super hero movie, a convoluted and forced story line, horrible dialogue, unnecessary details, the worst editing since The Hunger Games. This movie was so intensely bad, from the very first scene to the last. Spider Man randomly decides to ask Dr Strange for help, screws up some sort of procedure Strange doesn't seem interested in himself in the most bizar way and presto! This is your movie plot. Ridiculous, tedious, bad writing and cringe scenes, editing flow of someone with ADHD. Fits right in with all the other super hero movie tripe and isn't an exception by any stretch of the imagination.
This film was truly incredible! I finally got to watch it when it came out on digital, and I was hooked in every scene. From the very start of the movie, I could tell there was a change in tone from the past films. The first time I watched Homecoming, I felt like I was watching a teen dramatic comedy that just so happened to feature Spider-Man. It was a shame because I could tell the cast would've done really well if it had a better and weightier script. Far From Home was a little better, but still felt a little off. No Way Home was perfection. It was meaningful. From an acting and VFX standpoint, everyone did fantastic! Tom became one of my favorite live-action Spider-Mans, Zendaya was really likable (It was really nice to see a female character being loving and supportive to a male lead), and all of the villains actors were incredible! And from a story perspective it was fantastic. It showed that sometimes trouble can come even when you do the right thing. It showed that true heroes will sacrifice everything if it is what's best. it showed the struggle between light and dark in all the characters. It showed love and loss in a beautiful way. I also really loved the maturity of it not having a necessarily happy ending. It made everything that Peter went through up to this point hit much harder. This film and Logan are now my two favorite Marvel movies. I hope to see many more pieces of cinema like No Way Home!
Anyways, I'm done ranting about how much I love this movie... go away now!
Not bad. Glad you enjoyed it.
I was kind of done with X-men after Apocalypse but I figured I better watch Logan because the name of the movie was literally my name, and I really enjoyed it.
After the stupid appearance in Apocalypse, I didn’t think the movie would respect Wolverine but it really captured what was good about the Old Man Logan comics and gave a nice send off to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine as well as being a good movie in its own right.
I love the ending where he realizes the sacrifice that has to be made. He can't have everything like his friends, to keep them safe or get into the school of his dreams. Now he's alone in the world with no help, to start a new path as a self made Spiderman.
Broke Photographer Peter (in the end of movie) >>>>>> Future Tony Stark Peter
A true spiderman
He's no longer iron boy jr.
@@aegyo9272 Yeah, the ending completely redeemed Tom's spidey for me. He's finally the hero he's supposed to be, not just Tony's sidekick.
@@AbeTheRock Yes, because Heaven Forbid Peter ever try to develop beyond the same old "Penniless Peter" he always reverts to in the comics.
@@ShadowSonic2 That's not the point I'm trying to make. I just think that Peter being held by his hand didn't add to his character development. I'm fine with writers taking a different direction that actually builds him. Regardless his character in the comics was meant to be relatable with everyday problems.
Never would have thought I'd say that, but after seeing this movie, I'd really love for another Spiderman movie with Andrew Garfield (maybe in the Sony Venomverse?). Dude absolutely stole every scene he was in.
He perfectly splits the middle between Toby's classic portrayal that always seems serious (when he's not dancing) and Holland's lightweight portrayal where they kid-ify everything he's done up to now. Garfield is great at being bitter and disillusioned, but he still got that spark of arrogance and humor to the character. It was genuinely moving and reminded me how much I miss the chemistry between him and Emma Stone.
Well the stinger at the end perfectly set that exact thing up, so who knows.
@@SDesWriter Yup just like 3 brothers would interact. I like Holland's Kid-Spidey portrayal but Garfield was KING at being the bridge between the 3 Parkers.
If they do a movie with him they probably need to hint out a future event for another crossover.
@@Underworlddream They kinda already did. Since Venom got blinked into, then out of the Holland Spideyverse, and we only saw villains from the McGuire and Garfield verse, it stands to reason that he came from one of those two verses. So it's basically already set up, it's just a matter of whether Sony/Marvel want to use it or not.
I loved in the first 10 minutes you had Matt Murdoch/Daredevil as his Lawyer showing his skill when a brick comes through the window leaves it open to crossing TV shows in movies which nobody has done before successfully.
While I absolutely love this channel and generally agree with everything The Drinker says in his other videos, I would like to provide three arguments for why I still believe the MCU Spider-Man remains the inferior version of the three, and why this movie cements that opinion.
(1)There are enough moments in the movie that show how the writers didn’t pay attention to the source material for Spider-Man (comics) or either of his two cinematic predecessors in order to keep the continuity accurate with everything we’ve seen thus far. (2)The movie also fails to address anything greater than a baseline summary of how to solve the problem caused by both Doctor Strange and Holland’s Spider-Man, and makes the ending seem as an inspiring moment of growth for Holland’s character, rather than realizing how his predicament could have been avoided in the first place. (3)The movie also attempts to subtly mock the guest heroes and villains of previous lore in an attempt to make Holland’s Spider-Man seem smarter, more prepared for battle, or a better leader than anyone else.
(1) In Spider-Man 3 (2007), Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man teamed up with James Franco’s Goblin, and in seconds were annihilating Venom/Sandman with effective and fast attacks that made sense given their powers and abilities. However, during the final battle in No Way Home, Maguire agrees with Garfield as to a lack of experience in working as part of a team, which serves as an opportunity to prop up Holland’s experience with the Avengers. Similarly, during the final battle of Spider-Man 3 (2007), Harry Osborn sacrifices himself to save Maguire’s Spider-Man, yet in No Way Home, during a brief exchange between Maguire and Ned, Maguire states that Osborn died in his arms after trying to kill him. Both of these moments take no longer than a single sentence, yet they completely undermine and ruin entire character arcs that were set up over an entire trilogy, both Maguire’s adaptability and versatility, and Franco’s hatred and resentment resolving to loyalty and willingness to fight for and by his friend.
(2) By this point in the MCU, Dr. Strange absolutely should have taken better precautions when casting the spell, especially if something as simple as a small distraction from Holland’s character could mean the difference between success and distruction of the multiverse. Let us not also forget that Holland’s Spider-Man was in this situation in the first place because he constantly took his mask off during missions and showed off his powers with absolutely no cover. Hollands Spider-Man gave away EDITH to a man he only met the day before, immediately revealed his identity to Dr. Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy, and was found out by Iron Man, Ned, MJ, Aunt May, and Toomes. As careless as he is, it was only a matter of time before his identity was exposed, of no fault other than his own. Inviting the multiverse villains in his home and revealing his identity to all of them is when ends up getting his Aunt killed as well. Maguire’s mask consistently got ripped/torn off his face mid-battle, and Garfield only ever took his mask off strategically or when grieving the death of Gwen. In comics, Spider-Man’s most important quality was arguably his independence and protection of his identity, with the MCU, that quality is gone and thus strips one of the most defining qualities of one of its most popular characters, leaving him as a careless and cocky child. The end of the movie is meant to seem as a heroic sacrifice on Holland’s part, yet never forced him to confront his own recklessness and vanity as what put him in this situation in the first place, and teaches him that his problems can be undone with a magical spell instead of facing real-time consequences.
(3)Finally, I’d like to address the subtle degrading of previously established characters. Right off the bat, after a brief fight between Holland’s Spider-Man and Doc Ock, Spider-Man’s nanosuit tech consumes Doc Ock’s arms and puts him under the control of Spider-Man, leaving Octavius in a pathetic embrace of his own weapon. What was once an intimidating and fleshed out villain is reduced to a cheap joke to show how overpowered Holland’s character is. I believe the writers had the battle end this way because deep down, they new in a fight based purely on power and cunning, Hollands Spider-Man doesn’t stand a chance against Octavius. Other instances include Holland explaining to Osborn about why Octavius is under control of the arms, despite having no knowledge of the technology himself and undermining Osborn’s background in corporate tech companies. The cures that each of the Spidermen come up with for the appropriate villain are never well explained, basically making them the “cure for evil” as opposed to solving what each villain’s affliction was. Each one of the cures are 100% effective on the first try with no explanation for how they work and why the antagonists’ personalities take a complete 180 in mere seconds.
While I’m sure these arguments could be organized a little better as I have only seen the movie once, and on the very rare possibility The Drinker actually sees this, I hope none of these thoughts come across as too pretentious, as I was actually excited to disagree about a movie with someone as well spoken, observant, and morally consistent as The Drinker himself.
Cheers
Okay, Millennial-completely-obsessed-with-their-childhood.
No Way Home gave people what they didn't even know they wanted while also creating exciting possibilities for the future of the franchise. Good show.
i have a feeling the followups to this will be darker and more mature. as it should be
@@pad9x one of my problems with the movie was its pg 13 rating I would've love it to strech its legs more with a 15s rating
There’s nothing like absolutely loving a movie and then getting the drinkers praise to validate you’re feelings 🙌🏼
Amen.
I was going to unsubscribe if he didn't. The movie was amazing.
Was just thinking that. Well put! 💪😎💪
YES
He didn’t mention 2 important things so I think he’s shilling a bit
still processing it, but overall- really liked it...had none of the "politics" that every movie has to have now, they honored the characters, great acting, solid action scenes, lots of very touching moments, and a treat for fans of everything that came before (the fact that they got all these actors to reprise their roles was unbelievable...)...also blown-away by how seamlessly they made 3 Spidermans and several villains all work in one film...this is how it's done, people...
It’s not good, It’s horrible the only thing that people like about it is the NOSTALGIA, there’s so much scenes that doesn’t make sense like how Ned can make a portal while DR Strange had to study for years, Spider-Man is overrated