The advantage of the magazine isn't that it lets you put more darts down range faster, it's that it lets you put one magazine load of darts down range faster!
Exactly, pepper box pistols and cap and ball revolvers weren't really faster over a large number of shots than Era muzzle loading pistols, but could fire 6+ times in a go with out reloading. Same even goes for the Nerf revolvers vs the Nerf Muzzle Loading pistols now that I think about it.
@@derrickbiedermann9802 I thought about it and the nerf revolver would out do the nerf muzzle loader anyday. But then again all it takes is 1, ide be glad to be tagged out if all I had was one and not none.
@@Tarrandus Now pull out your sidearm. Remember - switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading. Using your knife is even faster than switching to your pistol.
And also with the mags being removable you could have some sort of spring mechanism to push the darts in to the barrel, so you wouldn’t have to tilt it back every time you need another dart in the barrel! :] Like a spring to push them towards the barrel, and then some sort of flap that opens when you cock it so only 1 dart inters the barrel at a time!! :D But that’s just my idea and I don’t actually know if it would work or not, or if it would even be worth it in the end so… yah! XP lol
Crazy he would act surprised that it took about the same time to shoot the magazine one when he didn't even bother to make some kind of actual clip or speed loader
@@deskmat9874 IKR, I mean it’s almost not fair to say “they’re about the same” without even testing the mag’s greatest strength!! :D well, the greatest strength in my opinion at least! :P
There is no time in static objects, so we can assume 4d either makes an object in 4 spacial dimensions or the object changes in a linear fashion. I assume the former because the latter confuses me more.
@@matt_yuan thanks for the reply! :D ive been watching since your first video i believe, and you've got a long way to go with as creative and inventive as you are. You're bound to be big one day, keep it up man
‘We’ used to call those hopper fed :-) You’ve created a reverse hopper. I like it. Regardless… the suction feeding back into her breech is what exited me most… That’s what makes this thing crazy simple and perfectly sealed! Well done.
The problem is you’re taking the time to refill the magazine. If you print out 3 magazines and pre-fill each with 5 darts, then you’ll save time from the control by swapping magazines instead of reloading 5 darts at a time. Also, it might be possible to put the magazine below the barrel and ready the next dart when you pull back. Pulling back would push the next dart to the tip of the barrel, pushing it forward would suck the dart back inside the barrel ready to be fired. This way the profile of the gun is smaller with the magazine attachment instead of sticking out even farther. Plus you could make the dart storage part of the magazine removable to make reloading faster by just clipping another tube full of darts into place
Even just grabbing 5 darts from his pocket to load the full magazine at once would shorten his load time by 5-10 seconds. Making a tube clip to load into the magazine would bring his 15 second reloads down to 2-3 seconds.
I think it may be different from a tube magazine like a shotgun would have because that is derectly. Into the action this slides. Down the barrel to go to the action ye catchin my drift
The advantage of magazines isn't so much that you "fire faster" it is that you can either fire faster in blocks of shooting followed by reloading that one magazine, or quickly swapping pre-loaded magazines.
It's essentially the difference between having a breech-loading single-barreled shotgun and a pump-action shotgun. A pump-action takes longer to reload, but you can fire off a bunch of rounds in succession.
He can also shave some time off by improving his reload method. Instead of grabbing each dart individually, grabbing several at a time would speed it up by simplifying things. That's just a matter of drilling himself, otherwise the magazine mechanism works great
The two total time measurements were definitely within the range of noise as well. With some improvements in technique and eliminating the bottlenecks, such as keeping the darts somewhere controlled instead of loose in his pockets, and the magazine has an enormous potential to outperform.
I think if you place the magazine above the barrel then it would load automatically without having to tilt the whole blaster. You could also make the magazine point in the opposite direction of the barrel to make it shorter and more maneuverable.
making the mag point the opposite direction of the barrel would make it impossible for the darts to load tho. the tip of the dart would hit the barrel and it would just get stuck.
@@onlinepanic2036On the initial motion of priming, toggle a 2 door airlock mechanism that simultaneously blocks all the darts from falling and allows one to fall into the barrel. You know real guns with the mag above the barrel exist already. 😂
I'd suggest either multiple magazines or a quick feed tube that let's you just pop the cap off and dump five more rounds. And to feed straight muzzle loading quicker, you could have an ammo holder clipped to the side of the gun so you don't have to fish rounds out.
I feel like there’s some way to use a more normal style of magazine with this but it would definitely make it overly complicated. It’s a really cool and unique blaster. I quite like it
He's already got a pump action element, so he could probably implement a backwards trapdoor magazine. The only real oddity of this magazine is where it's placed though. Gravity-fed magazines were fairly common in their day.
Great video. Not surprised by the test results but as some people have mentioned only having one magazine only gives you a rate of fire advantage until you have to reload. Anyway I can’t wait to see what you do next great work! :)
Perhaps you could put "shooting them all at once" to your advantage, such as a burst-fire version. Maybe a second top tube lined up properly could make a two-round burst weapon? Also, what about changing the mag design so that you could make speedloading stripper clips!
Agreed. Though, with its current design, I would think simply flipping it upside down would not entirely remove the need to tilt. It might work if the front part of the magazine was angled so that gravity alone would move the darts. It would also be able to have a crosshair/scope attached to it.
If you're saying like flipping the tube over, that'd still be required. Old school guys used gravity fed hoppers at a Y joint before the barrel and they still had to shake or tilt the blaster quite often to get it to feed properly.
So happy to see you up at 35k, been here since your first video and I commented on how you were the next big DIY/engineering RUclipsr. Turns out I was right, congratulations!
In both examples, better dart storage would lead to better times. Mag wise, having 3 of them would probably lead to 15-20 secs per 5 darts depending on urgency and practice. Single loading them would benefit more from, let say, having a box prepped in advance that holds darts in a preferred orientation, or a blaster mounted shell-style holder, or even just having darts in hand already as you're firing(Loading 1 and have 2 on standby doing salvos of 3) likely cutting from a dart every 6 seconds to a dart every 3-4 seconds. While you *_could_* probably be quicker loading, it looks like you're already good at it. The only thing slowing you down is just trying to get the darts ready to be loaded.
As far as a box prepped in advance there's belt pouches. Anything designed to hold full size rifle ammunition will also hold full size nerf darts. I use the leather pouches from the Mossin-Nagant since they're dirt cheap but there's plenty of options out there.
Yeah, the whole tilting the gun backwards so the darts feed is taking a lot of time Making the magazine spring-loaded would do it wonders, but then there's the problem with the barrel being lodged with darts. Maybe connecting a trapdoor mechanism to the pump would work? But thats too much I guess.
@@NikyCROW Honestly, the tilt isn't that bad given that it was 23s vs 15s for the first 5 darts(single vs mag respectively) Times could be made faster if the priming and loading action could be done as one instead of two. Given the current setup, and Starlights input, it'd really benefit best from just having a dart box more than anything as even his reloading of the mag takes more time than it should. Past that, it looks like he'd have to rebuild it completely to implement a alternative loading method. While typing this I also realized he could just as easily use good old fashioned nerf dart magazines as storage. Keeps them in the same direction and from getting squished in the pocket
You should make a flower magazine that is made up of four or five tubes that shut off after firing the certain amount inside, and then gets ready for the next tube 👍
Kinda cool, is there a way you could have it reversed in the opposite direction to be more compact? An idea I initially had was on the pullback the tube would move with the barrel and encounter a fixed wedge, forcing the darts up on the pullback, keeping tension with a light spring, and reloading using the Henry tab method, then sealing the feed hole in the barrel with a small tube that fit around it it and was fixed to the stock I’m not sure I can articulate it perfectly with simply words, but good luck with the design
you should make it so that you dont have to tilt your gun back to chamber another round because if you aim upwards a bullet will be in the way of the chambered round and it would be much faster than the hand loaded way
The benefit of having a system that doesnt involve reloading after each shot (magizines, internal/nondetatchable mags, belts) is that you can put more rounds down range in a short window, because (even manualy moving) the action will always be faster than reloading a round, and then moving the action. The benefit of a magizine specifically, is that it is the quickest way to replenish anywhere from 15 to 50 bullets within a firearm, in roughly the time it would take you to reload 1 or 2.
Control 5 shots: 23 seconds Test 5 Shots 15 seconds Your overall rate of fire would be faster if you had made 3 magazines. Obviously, this video is more "fun" than pure scientific.
This is so cool! Reloading the magazine takes a while, but there are probably ways to fix that - some people suggested replaceable magazines, or maybe it might be possible to make it curve around so the opening faces towards you (not sure how wide the bend would have to be for the darts to move freely though, and it'd probably look a bit silly) I wonder if there's a way to create a one-way valve at the end of the barrel that wouldn't slow down or interfere with the dart? Cause then you could pair it with a second valve on the end of the magazine, facing the opposite direction, so you wouldn't need to tip the darts back into the barrel before sucking them in. Though that might make it hard to ensure that only one dart gets loaded at a time.
You could have the mag attached much closer to the start of the barrel, with two sections of barrels, one before and one after the mag. This would allow for a much higher mag capacity without increasing the length of the blaster.
this is so awesome, if you find a way to give the mag a spring/interchangeable mags this thing would be so awesomer, it can almost be like a pump action shotgun
Pretty cool! Having a side saddle ammo carrier will speed up both reloads styles. Also, maybe you can mimic a pump action shotgun technique. People will switch to single reload shooting when the tub mag is empty so it's the best of both worlds.
-Pulling the rack only BACK as you load in the first dart (in the same way you would start reloading an empty shotgun; half rack, insert, rack back) would not only give you a +1 but also remove a redundant action -if you could find a mechanism to seal the firing barrel while you are working the action, you could use air pressure from the non-sealed mag tube to load instead of gravity. The only problem is the action would need to be pretty intricate to know when to use air from the firing barrel again so the suction doesn't just inhale all the rounds into the barrel. I think taking some inspiration from the AK47 gas blowback system to make a sort of blowforwards system might be a good source of inspiration? I think that system would need to be installed inside the magazine itself, if I had to guess, probably somewhere between the length of the first and second dart. But ultimately having the darts be in a predictable location (such as through springs) would probably be the best way to ensure reliability. Interesting concept though all things considered
Make a toggle lock that only lets a dart through when you pull back the pump and only lets one through at a time so you can spring load the tube and make multiple replaceable tubes. Sounds complicated but would be fairly simple. It would eliminate the possibility of a dart hitting the next round in the chamber on its way out, and you having to rock the whole gun backward each shot. Try a version before stated above version where the tube isn't straight down but 15 degrees down so you can just tilt it.
Reminds me of some of those gravity-fed parlor guns I read about once. Quite funny that you've more or less translated an existing gun gimmick to Nerf so seamlessly.
I like your experiment guidelines at 4:00. Several mags to factor in reload time. With more practice you could get really quick with it. I guarantee the mag is faster because of less movement once the routine is ironed out.
Few improvements you maybe could consider, spring loading the magazine & making a button or wind up to cycle new rounds (it would make the gun awkward since the mechanism would need to span the length of the barrel so maybe electronic button?), and making the reload consist changing mags, rather than manually reloading individual bullets. Though some of these ideas go without knowledge of any limitations you've set on yourself. Amazing video regardless.
I would move the magazine closer to the cylinder and make it longer + spring loaded (faster + easier to load a new round) It may need some prototyping but awesome idea, I really liked it!
I could see just strapping darts to it being more viable with either set up. The main thing slowing stuff down is reaching in to your pocket. If the darts were on the blaster you can see then reach
The Y-Tho Bow from Artificial Armory has a similar magazine design. It's easily my favorite blaster since you literally use it like a full-sized bow that shoots darts instead of arrows
i think the whole intentionality of a magazine is to have more than one of them in your person, had you had 3 magazines and been operating at full speed i truthfully believe the discrepancy between times would be astronomical, the design is amazing down to the extra run length for longevity of darts
i feel if you just had multiple magazines you could just take off and put the next one on it'd obviously be better then self reloading the mag every time, that being said this is a cool creation and gives me musket vibes :3
fun to see stuff that happens to real guns in a video like this! your test actually pretty much perfectly replicates trials that happened at the end of the 1800s which resulted in the tube magazines that you would normally see on lever actions and early bolt action repeaters being replaced by the box magazines we see today (easier to make speedloaders and detachable mags). The problem is that most tube magazines have to be loaded one at a time which means that really youre just staging a bunch of single loads, so it gives you a quick burst of fire but a long reload time in between. if you made a speedloader of some sort for this you would definitely see an improvement. anyways, neat design!
You're reducing firing time by not having a feed spring in the magazine, I would recommend covering the loading hole with a cap that a has a spring to assist with ammo feeding. To be able to reload the magazine I would recommend changing the feed hole so that you can load darts into the magazine from there, like most conventional mags. You would likely need to also put a catch at the top of the mag so that no rounds get pushed into the barrel while it's loaded, probably opening from the movement of the pump going backwards and closing shut from the pump moving forwards. You also heavily skewed the firing/reloading times by only using the magazine like an integral mag and reloading it after it goes empty, instead of using it like an independent mag that is removed and replaced with another fully loaded mag. To make the mag as practical as possible I would recommend using it more like an independent mag, replacing the mag after it runs out.
What about a version with a spring in the tube? Reduces the need to tilt it up as it will prime the next dart? Maybe put a pressurized door that remains closed when primed?
One potentially big point to improve on is that the tube still seems to basically have to do the single reload motion every shot. So you’re actually doing that motion 20% more in the tube mag version than in the single shot version. Maybe if you had valves at the end of both of the Y branches, and the pump action closed one valve and opened the other cyclically, you could fully chamber a round from the pump without tilting the gun up.
There's the obvious "3 prefilled magazines would be faster, and if the main benefit of magazines to begin with" thing, which is pretty obvious, but I feel like a lot of time is being lost tipping the gun up. Like about as much time as reaching up and putting the dart in manually. The next step would be to make it so the magazine feeds without any movement. The two goals you'd have to achieve would be to get suction though the magazine, and to only load one dart at a time. I imagine you could do the first part with some kind of one way valve on the tip of the barrel, which would stop air coming in, but let the dart out. Maybe something simple like a flap of latex from a glove or balloon draped over the barrel along with some ridged frame to keep if from getting sucked all the way in, to make a light little cap to flips depending on the suck or blow. Second goal would probably be more annoying, but some kind of rocking movement to let a single dart move up, but once it's sucked in, block the second one until the chamber is cleared. You might be able to do something like attach a rod or string to the charging handle and make that interact with the rocker in the mag. I donno, I've only given this about 5 minutes of thought, but it seems possible, and could be a pretty neat next step on the project. Or absolute hell to build. Never know until you try 😀
There is a lot of very easy techniques you could implement that would improve your time with the mag, pumping the blaster while raising the barrel, counting your shots...
I like that you have to load each dart with the mag by moving up the gun, it adds feel to it... but maybe adding a spring mechanism that push the darts in, when you pump the gun after shooting, so it doesnt interfer withthe barrel, would be much faster, less fun... but faster. Love the quick video though.
A couple new benefitial changes would be: Spring loaded firing mechanism. You can probs do it with a slide that exposes the mag to the barrel and letting the spring extend a bit more when priming the firing mechanism, it closes when you pull the plunger forwards again and suck a dart. A magazine quick swap mechanism. Either with a speed loader or a new cylinder. I recommend speed loaders since they are fast, easy and take less filament to produce a lot of.
I have an idea for a more conventional magazine type that may be more efficient. It would be integrated into the frame of the gun. I noticed the pump action foregrip is attached to the barrel, and the outer frame of the gun holds the compression part of the gun. You could design a part that attaches to the front part of the frame, that isn't attached to the barrel but that is pretty close to the barrel, pretty much touching. It would allow for a conventional straight magazine with a spring. Then have a small cut out on the bottom of the barrel towards the front of the barrel. So when you pull the barrel back the hole would align with the magazine. One round would be pushed in by the spring and when you push the barrel forward again it would suck back the one bullet and the other bullets would stay in the magazine until you pump reload the gun again. I could draw it out for you if you're having a hard time visualizing this. You could also do a gravity fed magazine similarly if you don't want a spring loaded one and just have the same thing but on the top of the gun instead of underneath.
Heres an idea,you can make it so that the pinkk part of the end of the bayonet have tiny sights so that you can you aim down through them if you put the bayonet mag upside down
to make the test more accurate, you should have started with the gun being empty, as well as done 20 shots but only taken the loading speed of the last 15 darts (since as can be seen in the first firing test you were loading rather slowly as you were trying to find the bullets in your pocket). Also you should have given the information for the loading time/firing time of the second version of the gun, since the mag did let you shoot faster but had you reload slower. In a lot of cases having more bullets in a mag is better since you can spend the entire time reloading while undercover, and having 5 shots where you don't need to dip back behind cover means that they'll be more accurate.
You just need to make a kind of stripper clip to feed 5 darts in one movement! Also if there was some sort of escapement mechanism (perhaps connected to the pump action) and a spring in the magazine it probably should be able to feed without having to tilt it back as much further increasing the speed. (Though I guess an escapement mechanism would probably be even more abrasive to the foam darts than the barrel entry was) But it could still be advantageous even without a better magazine and including reloads, because you could fire those 5 in the magazine much faster, _and_ since you don't need to reach the muzzle with your hand to feed each dart, you could make the barrel even longer and possibly increase the range somewhat (assuming there is enough air pressure left to continue accelerating in an even longer barrel.) Anyway; theres something very beautiful about that design, how the backwards motion primes the spring and the forward motion sucks in the dart. Brilliant engineering!
I have to think both times would be a lot better if you used almost anything other than a jacket pocket for ammo. Dump pouches with some rigidity help immensely, and dart bandoliers, while a bit silly looking, are surprisingly effective even in my limited use of them. And that's to say nothing of stripper-tubes, with a preload of darts that just have to be slipped into the magazine. Also, the magazine could potentially be mounted closer to the body of the blaster. If you seal the end (and the whole thing, since 3D prints aren't usually air tight), or have a flap that closes over the tube after the dart is passed, you could maintain your barrel pressure. But, that would make this whole blaster way more complicated.
Instead of having to tip it each time a spring loaded end might greatly help. Some kind of airlock / sectioning system would have to be integrated but with the forward backward movement of pump. While not easy it would be really interesting to see
Some kind of spring/string mechanism that advances the darts by one spot would help you shoot faster, as it would get rid of the convoluted song and dance you do to get one dart into the barrel. A sliding piston connected to a latch that catches every inch or so for each dart. You'd cut a slot in the magazine so the piston can be controlled with an incrementing mechanism. Maybe a cartridge with these stops would be better still. the next bullet or piston can be used to help seal off the barrel. Press a button and a spring/latch pushes up the piston by one dart/ or 1/4th an inch.
So cool! I saw you randomly recommended on my front page and I am loving this! Would having it top fed not work and let gravity do some of the work? Or have part of it come off so you can treat it like a real magazine and quick reload it that way?
i think having a spring or something to push the bullets out of the mag slightly so u dont have to tip it might have made it faster, also maybe having the "mag" be detatchable so u can just hold multiple of them that are already full and just pop it on the end
So from a design sense, I'd like to see a few changes for better ergonomics. Like the foregrip should be moved as far as possible so that when it's forward, it's about where it is right now when it's pulled back. You shouldn't have your arm stretched out that far when you're aiming. And also I'd like to see the magazine integrated into the barrel all the way back to the tube when the grip is pulled back. That way your magazine isn't stick out past the barrel but running next to it, and maybe even longer for more rounds. Hopefully that explanation made sense.
Surely, you could find a way to use the Venturi effect or, on a larger scale, some other application of Bernoulli's principle to make it so you don't have to tilt the blaster up to load from the magazine tube.
Just like real life, packet loading is necessary to have a magazine loader be an improvement for rate of fire after it's first magazine is expended. Useful for short bursts of rate of fire, but not for any sustained benefits. Usually, armies viewed the increased cost, complexity, and thus reliability decrease, to not be worth it. However, a middle position existed before packet loading: The magazine cutoff. It worked as a single loader except with a switch to magazine loading for a few seconds of rapid fire: used usually to try to break a charge. Your system has 2 main flaws that made the magazine loader perform worse: 1) Gravity based staging: Any benefit of the rapid reloading of the chamber was lost by having to break point of aim, tilt up, then load, and re-aim. 2) inability to load multiple shells into the magazine at once. Considering making some kind of "charger" system to load all, or at least several shells at once. Possibly adding a tiny version of your suction tube under the barrel, that could be actuated to stage the next shell reliably without changing point of aim might work as well.
I’m not surprised by the results. When you take a look at the first repeating firearms, such as the first revolvers, you see that the advantage of a repeating weapon is that it lets you have a bunch of rounds ready to go, letting you shoot that number faster than 1-1 loading. When we advance to actual clips/magazines you’ll notice that shooters don’t empty a mag, load the mag, and then start shooting. They have additional mags. This is the purpose of magazines in the modern sense, deferring the work of single-round loading to downtime before shooting.
ok now what about adding a flow reverser to the existing muzzle (think muzzle break or tesla vavle) that feeds directly into the magazine. Depending on your plunger to barrel volume ratio there could be enough high pressure air left to partially feed another dart in line with the barrel. Allowing you to skip the jiggeling motion. If leftover air volume is insufficient just shorten the barrel. You could make this as complicated as you'd like (magazine inline below/behind muzzle and feeding air back with a hose/channel; utilize the air of the backstroke; or add a second piston that works of the backstroke independently). I greatly enjoy your evolutionary video style so maybe keep it simple and do it step by step? would make for a cool mini series
Main issue was the reloading technique, single feeding the tube slowed the whole process down. You have 4 fingers and a thumb, that means you can pinch 4 darts between each other. Maybe add a weak spring to push the darts back and help the reloads?
the concept is there, but a few flaws like tilting the gun up to get the bullet in which can be fixed by using either gravity or a spring to feed faster, and the fact you didn't just detatch the magazine to reload
You could always attempt to turn the forward grip into a magazine, and have a hole allow passage for the darts in the receded position. The only problem is ensuring the dart feed well and don't get caught when you slide forwards.
what you should do is, 3d print 2 more of those magazines and have 3 filled up and ready to go, then do the test again and see how fast you can put 15 darts downrange. it would also help if you turn the magazine upside down to help the flow of the darts
You could add a couple rings around the barrel that hold multiple darts each and increase the reload speed over pocket-loading. Similar to the ring that would hold darts around the tube of a blowgun.
The point of a mag/clip system for ammunition is that they’re easily replaced, not reloaded. You don’t manually fill an M134 each time you’re about to fire it for 12 seconds, that’s what the Armoury is for. Also you can 100% load the mag faster than you did in the test. If you’re loading 5 pull a handful out and load them in and store the extra, pulling them out individually to reload is the same as just musket firing each time when the guys who used single shots in the US Civil War lost to the guys who had guns that could repeatedly send shot down range.
I made a similar device for a HAMP many years ago, with some small variations that might be of interest. I never got 100% reliability, maybe 90%, but I also didn't have to tilt to load. The key difference was that I had a paper flap over the barrel, acting as a check valve. On the inhale, the flap plugs the barrel tip, and forces air to be inhaled through the magazine system (which had a more conventional check valve at the tip). When firing, the paper flap valve would blow out of the way before the dart exited the barrel. I also had my wye facing up instead of down, but I'm not convinced that part made a big difference. This was all with plumbing parts, in the before-times, I'm sure it could be done (and understood!) better with 3d printed and transparent parts. You might be able to take your existing system and just add a paper flap over the barrel and not need to tilt anymore. Of course, it might just try to inhale all the darts at once, but for whatever reason I didn't have that problem.
Aaaand now I'm also realizing that my system connected at the barrel start, and yours connects at the barrel end, which probably changes some things regarding the separation of a single dart from the magazine vs. getting them all at once.
@@matt_yuan I'm always happy and surprised to see these sorts of things survive the link rot, I'm glad you stumbled into them. I'm also glad someone out there is still working on novel nerf feed mechanisms. I'd love to see this grow into a practical and automatic (fully pump operated, no tilting) feed mechanism, but what you have is already cool and applicable to many blasters.
The advantage of the magazine isn't that it lets you put more darts down range faster, it's that it lets you put one magazine load of darts down range faster!
Also, removing a mag and putting in a fresh fully loaded mag. Loading a mag is slower than loading a barrel, but you do the work ahead of time.
Also it creates that threat of being tagged out and sometimes that’s all you need
Exactly, pepper box pistols and cap and ball revolvers weren't really faster over a large number of shots than Era muzzle loading pistols, but could fire 6+ times in a go with out reloading.
Same even goes for the Nerf revolvers vs the Nerf Muzzle Loading pistols now that I think about it.
@@derrickbiedermann9802 I thought about it and the nerf revolver would out do the nerf muzzle loader anyday.
But then again all it takes is 1, ide be glad to be tagged out if all I had was one and not none.
@@Tarrandus Now pull out your sidearm. Remember - switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading. Using your knife is even faster than switching to your pistol.
could make it so the mags are interchangeable, so you can have preloaded mags ready to go
And also with the mags being removable you could have some sort of spring mechanism to push the darts in to the barrel, so you wouldn’t have to tilt it back every time you need another dart in the barrel! :]
Like a spring to push them towards the barrel, and then some sort of flap that opens when you cock it so only 1 dart inters the barrel at a time!! :D
But that’s just my idea and I don’t actually know if it would work or not, or if it would even be worth it in the end so… yah! XP lol
@@gamerdragon4721I mean this is how real mags work
Crazy he would act surprised that it took about the same time to shoot the magazine one when he didn't even bother to make some kind of actual clip or speed loader
@@deskmat9874 IKR, I mean it’s almost not fair to say “they’re about the same” without even testing the mag’s greatest strength!! :D
well, the greatest strength in my opinion at least! :P
@@katunu6030 exactly! :D
But even still I’m not sure how well/easy it would be to implement in this case, so… yah IDK!! :P
The "3d printer" bit was hillarious, love little things like this in videos
Wanna see it go 4d
@@kentity5272you will, in the past.
There is no time in static objects, so we can assume 4d either makes an object in 4 spacial dimensions or the object changes in a linear fashion.
I assume the former because the latter confuses me more.
I'ma show this to my parents and say why the printer inks are expensive 😂
4d printing is soooo next Tuesday, you should get one of the new M printers, they can print in 11 dimensions
so cool how the darts just go *zhoop* to the back when it's primed
z h o o p
@@matt_yuan thanks for the reply! :D ive been watching since your first video i believe, and you've got a long way to go with as creative and inventive as you are. You're bound to be big one day, keep it up man
New word added to the urban dictionary
@@explosioncatsandknives7747 lol bet
‘We’ used to call those hopper fed :-) You’ve created a reverse hopper. I like it. Regardless… the suction feeding back into her breech is what exited me most… That’s what makes this thing crazy simple and perfectly sealed! Well done.
indeed, this is based off of aeromech’s nerfhaven post about the “reverse wye”
oh shit it's the snipercore dude!
Now make this lethal
The problem is you’re taking the time to refill the magazine. If you print out 3 magazines and pre-fill each with 5 darts, then you’ll save time from the control by swapping magazines instead of reloading 5 darts at a time.
Also, it might be possible to put the magazine below the barrel and ready the next dart when you pull back. Pulling back would push the next dart to the tip of the barrel, pushing it forward would suck the dart back inside the barrel ready to be fired. This way the profile of the gun is smaller with the magazine attachment instead of sticking out even farther. Plus you could make the dart storage part of the magazine removable to make reloading faster by just clipping another tube full of darts into place
Even just grabbing 5 darts from his pocket to load the full magazine at once would shorten his load time by 5-10 seconds. Making a tube clip to load into the magazine would bring his 15 second reloads down to 2-3 seconds.
Also, it might help to have the magazine gravity fed instead of having to do such a long and unnatural motion each time he reloads
Do you just putting the loader the other way in and making the exit clip holder an "iron sight"
Or he can learn how to speed load and load more than one dart at a time.
"reverse bulpup" have to be the best way i ever saw someone describing a tube magazine
I think it may be different from a tube magazine like a shotgun would have because that is derectly. Into the action this slides. Down the barrel to go to the action ye catchin my drift
Can you make your next nerf gun in 4d?
i would but you’d need a 3D screen to watch the video
@@matt_yuan just get a hologram, easy!
i got a vr headset
@@matt_yuan can you make a 1D gun then?
@@Neuro_nActivation He can just cut his 3D gun into 3 pieces, I am sure that is the way it works.
The advantage of magazines isn't so much that you "fire faster" it is that you can either fire faster in blocks of shooting followed by reloading that one magazine, or quickly swapping pre-loaded magazines.
It's essentially the difference between having a breech-loading single-barreled shotgun and a pump-action shotgun.
A pump-action takes longer to reload, but you can fire off a bunch of rounds in succession.
The first five (5) shorts are much quicker with the mag, so it is still worth using - very cool!
He can also shave some time off by improving his reload method. Instead of grabbing each dart individually, grabbing several at a time would speed it up by simplifying things. That's just a matter of drilling himself, otherwise the magazine mechanism works great
He could theoretically make a speedloader for the mag.
he could just make more copies of this and have extra mags
The two total time measurements were definitely within the range of noise as well. With some improvements in technique and eliminating the bottlenecks, such as keeping the darts somewhere controlled instead of loose in his pockets, and the magazine has an enormous potential to outperform.
youre weird for making this. im subbing
yea same lol
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600th like lol and yes
I think if you place the magazine above the barrel then it would load automatically without having to tilt the whole blaster. You could also make the magazine point in the opposite direction of the barrel to make it shorter and more maneuverable.
How would you prevent the entire magazine from dumping into the tube though.
making the mag point the opposite direction of the barrel would make it impossible for the darts to load tho. the tip of the dart would hit the barrel and it would just get stuck.
@@austinsparks4561 That's not what they meant.
@@onlinepanic2036On the initial motion of priming, toggle a 2 door airlock mechanism that simultaneously blocks all the darts from falling and allows one to fall into the barrel. You know real guns with the mag above the barrel exist already. 😂
That would be the oldschool Hopper fed rainbow pumps. You'd still have to jiggle them a bit since gravity feed is finnicky on the best of days.
I'd suggest either multiple magazines or a quick feed tube that let's you just pop the cap off and dump five more rounds. And to feed straight muzzle loading quicker, you could have an ammo holder clipped to the side of the gun so you don't have to fish rounds out.
I feel like there’s some way to use a more normal style of magazine with this but it would definitely make it overly complicated. It’s a really cool and unique blaster. I quite like it
He's already got a pump action element, so he could probably implement a backwards trapdoor magazine. The only real oddity of this magazine is where it's placed though. Gravity-fed magazines were fairly common in their day.
This idea is very cool, maybe try placing the bayonet at a different angle so gravity won’t affect the dart’s ability to enter the chamber
where'd you get your printer?!!!?!?!? id love to print in multiple dimensions!
HOW IS THIS 5 DAYS AGO WHEN THE VIDEO IS 2?
members get to watch early heh
It’s a 3-D printer?
Do you know technically your average paper household printer, Princeton, two dimensions
simple fix: add a slider that changes the Ds of the printer!
Good old Y hoppers. Interesting variation.
The concept reminds me alot of those experimental weapons done in WW1
Swappable magazines
Great video. Not surprised by the test results but as some people have mentioned only having one magazine only gives you a rate of fire advantage until you have to reload. Anyway I can’t wait to see what you do next great work! :)
out of curiosity - what does the 4 setting on your printer do?
oh you dont wanna know
@@matt_yuan
It sets it to 4, i assume?
bingo
Inter-dimensional nerf blasters (shoot people through dimensions)
@@captcade2913
They did something like that in an episode of _Deep Space Nine._
Perhaps you could put "shooting them all at once" to your advantage, such as a burst-fire version. Maybe a second top tube lined up properly could make a two-round burst weapon? Also, what about changing the mag design so that you could make speedloading stripper clips!
to increase the speed a bit, you could possibly put the magazine on TOP of the barrel so you don't have to tilt the gun up to reload every time?
Agreed. Though, with its current design, I would think simply flipping it upside down would not entirely remove the need to tilt. It might work if the front part of the magazine was angled so that gravity alone would move the darts. It would also be able to have a crosshair/scope attached to it.
A problem i see with that is it would need a way to only load 1 dart at a time. Otherwise they would all slide down and jam
If you're saying like flipping the tube over, that'd still be required. Old school guys used gravity fed hoppers at a Y joint before the barrel and they still had to shake or tilt the blaster quite often to get it to feed properly.
Subbed for the hilarious chaotic overlapping voiceovers!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So happy to see you up at 35k, been here since your first video and I commented on how you were the next big DIY/engineering RUclipsr. Turns out I was right, congratulations!
thanks!
In both examples, better dart storage would lead to better times.
Mag wise, having 3 of them would probably lead to 15-20 secs per 5 darts depending on urgency and practice.
Single loading them would benefit more from, let say, having a box prepped in advance that holds darts in a preferred orientation, or a blaster mounted shell-style holder, or even just having darts in hand already as you're firing(Loading 1 and have 2 on standby doing salvos of 3) likely cutting from a dart every 6 seconds to a dart every 3-4 seconds.
While you *_could_* probably be quicker loading, it looks like you're already good at it. The only thing slowing you down is just trying to get the darts ready to be loaded.
As far as a box prepped in advance there's belt pouches. Anything designed to hold full size rifle ammunition will also hold full size nerf darts. I use the leather pouches from the Mossin-Nagant since they're dirt cheap but there's plenty of options out there.
Yeah, the whole tilting the gun backwards so the darts feed is taking a lot of time
Making the magazine spring-loaded would do it wonders, but then there's the problem with the barrel being lodged with darts.
Maybe connecting a trapdoor mechanism to the pump would work? But thats too much I guess.
@@NikyCROW Honestly, the tilt isn't that bad given that it was 23s vs 15s for the first 5 darts(single vs mag respectively) Times could be made faster if the priming and loading action could be done as one instead of two.
Given the current setup, and Starlights input, it'd really benefit best from just having a dart box more than anything as even his reloading of the mag takes more time than it should.
Past that, it looks like he'd have to rebuild it completely to implement a alternative loading method.
While typing this I also realized he could just as easily use good old fashioned nerf dart magazines as storage. Keeps them in the same direction and from getting squished in the pocket
You could make a stripperclip like thing to reload the mag faster and just keep a bunch of those stripperclips on you!
You should make a flower magazine that is made up of four or five tubes that shut off after firing the certain amount inside, and then gets ready for the next tube 👍
best part is that it actually sounds like a gun
Great video! You really have something here. I think there's a lot more content, and versions, to be made of this Kirby blaster. Keep it up!
Kinda cool, is there a way you could have it reversed in the opposite direction to be more compact? An idea I initially had was on the pullback the tube would move with the barrel and encounter a fixed wedge, forcing the darts up on the pullback, keeping tension with a light spring, and reloading using the Henry tab method, then sealing the feed hole in the barrel with a small tube that fit around it it and was fixed to the stock
I’m not sure I can articulate it perfectly with simply words, but good luck with the design
you should make it so that you dont have to tilt your gun back to chamber another round because if you aim upwards a bullet will be in the way of the chambered round and it would be much faster than the hand loaded way
Best nerf RUclips alive rn
The benefit of having a system that doesnt involve reloading after each shot (magizines, internal/nondetatchable mags, belts) is that you can put more rounds down range in a short window, because (even manualy moving) the action will always be faster than reloading a round, and then moving the action.
The benefit of a magizine specifically, is that it is the quickest way to replenish anywhere from 15 to 50 bullets within a firearm, in roughly the time it would take you to reload 1 or 2.
Im sure you already know this but that intro was hard as hell. The M and Y swipe was satisfying as hell
Control 5 shots: 23 seconds
Test 5 Shots 15 seconds
Your overall rate of fire would be faster if you had made 3 magazines. Obviously, this video is more "fun" than pure scientific.
Now put a BCAR on it.
This is so cool! Reloading the magazine takes a while, but there are probably ways to fix that - some people suggested replaceable magazines, or maybe it might be possible to make it curve around so the opening faces towards you (not sure how wide the bend would have to be for the darts to move freely though, and it'd probably look a bit silly)
I wonder if there's a way to create a one-way valve at the end of the barrel that wouldn't slow down or interfere with the dart? Cause then you could pair it with a second valve on the end of the magazine, facing the opposite direction, so you wouldn't need to tip the darts back into the barrel before sucking them in. Though that might make it hard to ensure that only one dart gets loaded at a time.
You could have the mag attached much closer to the start of the barrel, with two sections of barrels, one before and one after the mag.
This would allow for a much higher mag capacity without increasing the length of the blaster.
The quality of the videos has just gone up and up. i have been watching ever since your first video.
this is so awesome, if you find a way to give the mag a spring/interchangeable mags this thing would be so awesomer, it can almost be like a pump action shotgun
Pretty cool! Having a side saddle ammo carrier will speed up both reloads styles. Also, maybe you can mimic a pump action shotgun technique. People will switch to single reload shooting when the tub mag is empty so it's the best of both worlds.
-Pulling the rack only BACK as you load in the first dart (in the same way you would start reloading an empty shotgun; half rack, insert, rack back) would not only give you a +1 but also remove a redundant action
-if you could find a mechanism to seal the firing barrel while you are working the action, you could use air pressure from the non-sealed mag tube to load instead of gravity. The only problem is the action would need to be pretty intricate to know when to use air from the firing barrel again so the suction doesn't just inhale all the rounds into the barrel. I think taking some inspiration from the AK47 gas blowback system to make a sort of blowforwards system might be a good source of inspiration? I think that system would need to be installed inside the magazine itself, if I had to guess, probably somewhere between the length of the first and second dart. But ultimately having the darts be in a predictable location (such as through springs) would probably be the best way to ensure reliability. Interesting concept though all things considered
Bro got that RUclipsr starter pack 💀
I hope to see him at a Range Day with the Unsub guys soon!
So it's just a hopper mag like the NIC has been doing for years? Usually you angle it back towards you on the top.
The only reason why It was slower was Cause the reload
Make a toggle lock that only lets a dart through when you pull back the pump and only lets one through at a time so you can spring load the tube and make multiple replaceable tubes. Sounds complicated but would be fairly simple. It would eliminate the possibility of a dart hitting the next round in the chamber on its way out, and you having to rock the whole gun backward each shot. Try a version before stated above version where the tube isn't straight down but 15 degrees down so you can just tilt it.
I love this blaster so much! It keeps getting better!
Reminds me of some of those gravity-fed parlor guns I read about once. Quite funny that you've more or less translated an existing gun gimmick to Nerf so seamlessly.
Remember. switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading
Was looking for this
I like your experiment guidelines at 4:00. Several mags to factor in reload time. With more practice you could get really quick with it. I guarantee the mag is faster because of less movement once the routine is ironed out.
I'm not sure how I got here, but I'm glad I did.
Few improvements you maybe could consider, spring loading the magazine & making a button or wind up to cycle new rounds (it would make the gun awkward since the mechanism would need to span the length of the barrel so maybe electronic button?), and making the reload consist changing mags, rather than manually reloading individual bullets. Though some of these ideas go without knowledge of any limitations you've set on yourself. Amazing video regardless.
I would move the magazine closer to the cylinder and make it longer + spring loaded (faster + easier to load a new round) It may need some prototyping but awesome idea, I really liked it!
I could see just strapping darts to it being more viable with either set up. The main thing slowing stuff down is reaching in to your pocket. If the darts were on the blaster you can see then reach
The Y-Tho Bow from Artificial Armory has a similar magazine design. It's easily my favorite blaster since you literally use it like a full-sized bow that shoots darts instead of arrows
i think the whole intentionality of a magazine is to have more than one of them in your person, had you had 3 magazines and been operating at full speed i truthfully believe the discrepancy between times would be astronomical, the design is amazing down to the extra run length for longevity of darts
i feel if you just had multiple magazines you could just take off and put the next one on it'd obviously be better then self reloading the mag every time, that being said this is a cool creation and gives me musket vibes :3
fun to see stuff that happens to real guns in a video like this! your test actually pretty much perfectly replicates trials that happened at the end of the 1800s which resulted in the tube magazines that you would normally see on lever actions and early bolt action repeaters being replaced by the box magazines we see today (easier to make speedloaders and detachable mags). The problem is that most tube magazines have to be loaded one at a time which means that really youre just staging a bunch of single loads, so it gives you a quick burst of fire but a long reload time in between. if you made a speedloader of some sort for this you would definitely see an improvement. anyways, neat design!
You're reducing firing time by not having a feed spring in the magazine, I would recommend covering the loading hole with a cap that a has a spring to assist with ammo feeding. To be able to reload the magazine I would recommend changing the feed hole so that you can load darts into the magazine from there, like most conventional mags. You would likely need to also put a catch at the top of the mag so that no rounds get pushed into the barrel while it's loaded, probably opening from the movement of the pump going backwards and closing shut from the pump moving forwards. You also heavily skewed the firing/reloading times by only using the magazine like an integral mag and reloading it after it goes empty, instead of using it like an independent mag that is removed and replaced with another fully loaded mag. To make the mag as practical as possible I would recommend using it more like an independent mag, replacing the mag after it runs out.
What about a version with a spring in the tube? Reduces the need to tilt it up as it will prime the next dart? Maybe put a pressurized door that remains closed when primed?
One potentially big point to improve on is that the tube still seems to basically have to do the single reload motion every shot. So you’re actually doing that motion 20% more in the tube mag version than in the single shot version.
Maybe if you had valves at the end of both of the Y branches, and the pump action closed one valve and opened the other cyclically, you could fully chamber a round from the pump without tilting the gun up.
There's the obvious "3 prefilled magazines would be faster, and if the main benefit of magazines to begin with" thing, which is pretty obvious, but I feel like a lot of time is being lost tipping the gun up. Like about as much time as reaching up and putting the dart in manually. The next step would be to make it so the magazine feeds without any movement.
The two goals you'd have to achieve would be to get suction though the magazine, and to only load one dart at a time. I imagine you could do the first part with some kind of one way valve on the tip of the barrel, which would stop air coming in, but let the dart out. Maybe something simple like a flap of latex from a glove or balloon draped over the barrel along with some ridged frame to keep if from getting sucked all the way in, to make a light little cap to flips depending on the suck or blow.
Second goal would probably be more annoying, but some kind of rocking movement to let a single dart move up, but once it's sucked in, block the second one until the chamber is cleared. You might be able to do something like attach a rod or string to the charging handle and make that interact with the rocker in the mag. I donno, I've only given this about 5 minutes of thought, but it seems possible, and could be a pretty neat next step on the project. Or absolute hell to build. Never know until you try 😀
There is a lot of very easy techniques you could implement that would improve your time with the mag, pumping the blaster while raising the barrel, counting your shots...
Add a functioning non-decorative scope
I like that you have to load each dart with the mag by moving up the gun, it adds feel to it... but maybe adding a spring mechanism that push the darts in, when you pump the gun after shooting, so it doesnt interfer withthe barrel, would be much faster, less fun... but faster. Love the quick video though.
you should make a dart holder for quicker loading, i like the muzzle load design over the mag design
A follower could be useful.
Alternatively some sort of a one-way valve on barrel, so that during suction phase it would pull air via the magazine.
A couple new benefitial changes would be:
Spring loaded firing mechanism. You can probs do it with a slide that exposes the mag to the barrel and letting the spring extend a bit more when priming the firing mechanism, it closes when you pull the plunger forwards again and suck a dart.
A magazine quick swap mechanism. Either with a speed loader or a new cylinder. I recommend speed loaders since they are fast, easy and take less filament to produce a lot of.
I have an idea for a more conventional magazine type that may be more efficient. It would be integrated into the frame of the gun. I noticed the pump action foregrip is attached to the barrel, and the outer frame of the gun holds the compression part of the gun. You could design a part that attaches to the front part of the frame, that isn't attached to the barrel but that is pretty close to the barrel, pretty much touching. It would allow for a conventional straight magazine with a spring. Then have a small cut out on the bottom of the barrel towards the front of the barrel. So when you pull the barrel back the hole would align with the magazine. One round would be pushed in by the spring and when you push the barrel forward again it would suck back the one bullet and the other bullets would stay in the magazine until you pump reload the gun again. I could draw it out for you if you're having a hard time visualizing this. You could also do a gravity fed magazine similarly if you don't want a spring loaded one and just have the same thing but on the top of the gun instead of underneath.
Heres an idea,you can make it so that the pinkk part of the end of the bayonet have tiny sights so that you can you aim down through them if you put the bayonet mag upside down
print multiple magazines and pre-fill them with darts. you’ll be unstoppable.
to make the test more accurate, you should have started with the gun being empty, as well as done 20 shots but only taken the loading speed of the last 15 darts (since as can be seen in the first firing test you were loading rather slowly as you were trying to find the bullets in your pocket). Also you should have given the information for the loading time/firing time of the second version of the gun, since the mag did let you shoot faster but had you reload slower. In a lot of cases having more bullets in a mag is better since you can spend the entire time reloading while undercover, and having 5 shots where you don't need to dip back behind cover means that they'll be more accurate.
Subbed. Love this sort of stuff. Love your direct approach to talking about the project.
You just need to make a kind of stripper clip to feed 5 darts in one movement! Also if there was some sort of escapement mechanism (perhaps connected to the pump action) and a spring in the magazine it probably should be able to feed without having to tilt it back as much further increasing the speed. (Though I guess an escapement mechanism would probably be even more abrasive to the foam darts than the barrel entry was)
But it could still be advantageous even without a better magazine and including reloads, because you could fire those 5 in the magazine much faster, _and_ since you don't need to reach the muzzle with your hand to feed each dart, you could make the barrel even longer and possibly increase the range somewhat (assuming there is enough air pressure left to continue accelerating in an even longer barrel.)
Anyway; theres something very beautiful about that design, how the backwards motion primes the spring and the forward motion sucks in the dart. Brilliant engineering!
put the printer on 4d so the magazines holds more rounds
I have to think both times would be a lot better if you used almost anything other than a jacket pocket for ammo. Dump pouches with some rigidity help immensely, and dart bandoliers, while a bit silly looking, are surprisingly effective even in my limited use of them. And that's to say nothing of stripper-tubes, with a preload of darts that just have to be slipped into the magazine.
Also, the magazine could potentially be mounted closer to the body of the blaster. If you seal the end (and the whole thing, since 3D prints aren't usually air tight), or have a flap that closes over the tube after the dart is passed, you could maintain your barrel pressure. But, that would make this whole blaster way more complicated.
You could knock a lot of time off by making the movements to rack the weapon smoother, and could save time by printing three "magazines" as well.
Instead of having to tip it each time a spring loaded end might greatly help. Some kind of airlock / sectioning system would have to be integrated but with the forward backward movement of pump. While not easy it would be really interesting to see
the idea of magazines is to have multiple pre-loaded, instead of re-packing it when it empties.
Now make it semi-auto
Some kind of spring/string mechanism that advances the darts by one spot would help you shoot faster, as it would get rid of the convoluted song and dance you do to get one dart into the barrel. A sliding piston connected to a latch that catches every inch or so for each dart. You'd cut a slot in the magazine so the piston can be controlled with an incrementing mechanism.
Maybe a cartridge with these stops would be better still. the next bullet or piston can be used to help seal off the barrel. Press a button and a spring/latch pushes up the piston by one dart/ or 1/4th an inch.
So cool! I saw you randomly recommended on my front page and I am loving this! Would having it top fed not work and let gravity do some of the work? Or have part of it come off so you can treat it like a real magazine and quick reload it that way?
i suggest making it interchangable and add a spring to it, so the ammunition gets put in the line of the barrel increase firing rate, and accuracy
i think having a spring or something to push the bullets out of the mag slightly so u dont have to tip it might have made it faster, also maybe having the "mag" be detatchable so u can just hold multiple of them that are already full and just pop it on the end
So from a design sense, I'd like to see a few changes for better ergonomics. Like the foregrip should be moved as far as possible so that when it's forward, it's about where it is right now when it's pulled back. You shouldn't have your arm stretched out that far when you're aiming. And also I'd like to see the magazine integrated into the barrel all the way back to the tube when the grip is pulled back. That way your magazine isn't stick out past the barrel but running next to it, and maybe even longer for more rounds. Hopefully that explanation made sense.
Surely, you could find a way to use the Venturi effect or, on a larger scale, some other application of Bernoulli's principle to make it so you don't have to tilt the blaster up to load from the magazine tube.
Just like real life, packet loading is necessary to have a magazine loader be an improvement for rate of fire after it's first magazine is expended. Useful for short bursts of rate of fire, but not for any sustained benefits. Usually, armies viewed the increased cost, complexity, and thus reliability decrease, to not be worth it. However, a middle position existed before packet loading: The magazine cutoff. It worked as a single loader except with a switch to magazine loading for a few seconds of rapid fire: used usually to try to break a charge. Your system has 2 main flaws that made the magazine loader perform worse: 1) Gravity based staging: Any benefit of the rapid reloading of the chamber was lost by having to break point of aim, tilt up, then load, and re-aim. 2) inability to load multiple shells into the magazine at once. Considering making some kind of "charger" system to load all, or at least several shells at once. Possibly adding a tiny version of your suction tube under the barrel, that could be actuated to stage the next shell reliably without changing point of aim might work as well.
I’m not surprised by the results. When you take a look at the first repeating firearms, such as the first revolvers, you see that the advantage of a repeating weapon is that it lets you have a bunch of rounds ready to go, letting you shoot that number faster than 1-1 loading.
When we advance to actual clips/magazines you’ll notice that shooters don’t empty a mag, load the mag, and then start shooting. They have additional mags. This is the purpose of magazines in the modern sense, deferring the work of single-round loading to downtime before shooting.
ok now what about adding a flow reverser to the existing muzzle (think muzzle break or tesla vavle) that feeds directly into the magazine. Depending on your plunger to barrel volume ratio there could be enough high pressure air left to partially feed another dart in line with the barrel. Allowing you to skip the jiggeling motion. If leftover air volume is insufficient just shorten the barrel. You could make this as complicated as you'd like (magazine inline below/behind muzzle and feeding air back with a hose/channel; utilize the air of the backstroke; or add a second piston that works of the backstroke independently). I greatly enjoy your evolutionary video style so maybe keep it simple and do it step by step? would make for a cool mini series
You gotta do the “I own a musket for home defense” with this, it’d be so funny
Just need to make a nerf grapeshot cannon first.
@@ohshi5402 yeah
Main issue was the reloading technique, single feeding the tube slowed the whole process down.
You have 4 fingers and a thumb, that means you can pinch 4 darts between each other.
Maybe add a weak spring to push the darts back and help the reloads?
the concept is there, but a few flaws like tilting the gun up to get the bullet in which can be fixed by using either gravity or a spring to feed faster, and the fact you didn't just detatch the magazine to reload
I can definitely think of several improvements to this design. very neat idea though
You could always attempt to turn the forward grip into a magazine, and have a hole allow passage for the darts in the receded position. The only problem is ensuring the dart feed well and don't get caught when you slide forwards.
what you should do is, 3d print 2 more of those magazines and have 3 filled up and ready to go, then do the test again and see how fast you can put 15 darts downrange. it would also help if you turn the magazine upside down to help the flow of the darts
You could add a couple rings around the barrel that hold multiple darts each and increase the reload speed over pocket-loading. Similar to the ring that would hold darts around the tube of a blowgun.
The point of a mag/clip system for ammunition is that they’re easily replaced, not reloaded. You don’t manually fill an M134 each time you’re about to fire it for 12 seconds, that’s what the Armoury is for. Also you can 100% load the mag faster than you did in the test. If you’re loading 5 pull a handful out and load them in and store the extra, pulling them out individually to reload is the same as just musket firing each time when the guys who used single shots in the US Civil War lost to the guys who had guns that could repeatedly send shot down range.
I made a similar device for a HAMP many years ago, with some small variations that might be of interest. I never got 100% reliability, maybe 90%, but I also didn't have to tilt to load. The key difference was that I had a paper flap over the barrel, acting as a check valve. On the inhale, the flap plugs the barrel tip, and forces air to be inhaled through the magazine system (which had a more conventional check valve at the tip). When firing, the paper flap valve would blow out of the way before the dart exited the barrel. I also had my wye facing up instead of down, but I'm not convinced that part made a big difference. This was all with plumbing parts, in the before-times, I'm sure it could be done (and understood!) better with 3d printed and transparent parts. You might be able to take your existing system and just add a paper flap over the barrel and not need to tilt anymore. Of course, it might just try to inhale all the darts at once, but for whatever reason I didn't have that problem.
Aaaand now I'm also realizing that my system connected at the barrel start, and yours connects at the barrel end, which probably changes some things regarding the separation of a single dart from the magazine vs. getting them all at once.
i read some of your nerfhaven posts about this! they were a big inspiration
@@matt_yuan I'm always happy and surprised to see these sorts of things survive the link rot, I'm glad you stumbled into them. I'm also glad someone out there is still working on novel nerf feed mechanisms. I'd love to see this grow into a practical and automatic (fully pump operated, no tilting) feed mechanism, but what you have is already cool and applicable to many blasters.
Technique with the mag could use some improvement.