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While “oversized weapon user” is certainly precise in its description, it’s a little wordy. A more brief and apt descriptor would simply be, “UNI character.” For example, “Whoa, that’s a big halberd. I’m getting some serious UNI character vibes.” Hope this helps!
ABA has been one of my fav fighting game characters ever since Accent Core. Few things are more satisfying than activate her install (Either Moroha or Jealous mode) and then becoming the main reason of your opponent’s nightmares❤
@typhoonbh you totally should have That said unironically it could be super cool and have maybe some Villager or Azrael shenanigans where you can return things to sender
@@yugijaka psychic with a massive spoon weapon, utilizing a stance mechanic where they bend the spoon into three forms - Spoon Polearm (Range and Defense) - Spoon Scythe (Pressure) - Spoon Buckler-Sword (Hyper Offense)
Wouldn't consider Umbrella as a big weapon small character I mean she is small but hungern is the same size as her if I could probably put her in an archetype it'll be : The Talking weapon archetype
@@Kader6310 I didn’t ask! And she’s not the same size, hunger literally adds an extra head of height to her character sheets, in a game where they draw every frame it’s really easy to check the early art and see that! Cool opinion but I think she fits! good for you tho! Also hungern is sentient and makes noises but doesn’t talk, so I have no idea what you’re on.
@@ImR3DACT3D she literally rides it, her main move is called “Swordcar” the sword is literally bigger than her, standing taller than her in all of her renders, thanks for your opinion but I don’t care! I think she fits!
If you disagree with the characters I mentioned and have no reason other than “i think the big weapon isn’t arbitrarily big enough to fit my standard of big” I don’t care, leave your own comments! Archetypes are not strictly defined and I’m here for fun discussion not to be told I’m wrong coz you disagree with me lol!
KI’s tusk is one of the more interesting examples of the big weapon character, he has the same weaknesses of other big weapon characters but he also has a mechanic that counters sloppy punishes, When he swings his sword he will flash white for a split second and if the opponent attempts to hit tusk during the flash they will be opened up, it forces the opponent to respect the sword and also forces them to punish tusk at the end of a block string the same way everyone else is normally punished, it also doesn’t make it impossible to hit him on start up but it adds risk to it
Riot Games has an hilarious accronym for this. They have this item in the shop called "B.F. Sword" and it stands for "Big F*cking sword". They have this petite woman with a huge cannon and they refer to that gun as a "BFG". Maybe "BFW" should be the name for this achetype 😂
i love ur vids and love how u talk personally about a lot of fighting games, but my fave parts are always when u talk about brawlhalla. Never played the game and know NOTHING about it but I love learning new things and concepts from people who willing to share their know how with others.
Immidiatly thought of kagura from bb when you explained the archetype and was excited when he showed up at the end. Having to quickly slide into a stance then into a huge sword swing perfectly emulated the weight, momentum, and finesse of a normal sized person with a huge weapon.
Pshhh May isn’t an archetype. She’s just rushdown lol. Her frame data doesn’t even reflect such a huge wep. Now ABA she’s a refreshing archetype. Non-big character…BUT hampered movement & needs to install to unlock its true power. More like character traits or characteristics…not archetype. And both of them have great back dashes…
All these giant weapons and yet no mention of Gordeau from Uni. Sure, he's not exactly a small guy, but there's nothing quite like hitting from 3/4 of the screen away with your giant scythe.
@@SuuBrainrot Uni has some of the biggest hitboxes that have ever hitboxed, but there's actually not many characters that use oversized weapons. Carmine uses blood, Hilda summons shadow-things, Merkava uses his own appendages, etc. A lot of characters like Hyde or Linne have great hitboxes by most other fighting games' standards, but I wouldn't count their relatively smaller weapons as "oversized." Of the characters that use actual weapons, the biggest has to be either Gordeau's or Yuzuriha's.
Of this archetype, Fiona from Arcana Heart is most memorable to me. This is a little girl with a big HEAVY sword. But the emphasis is no longer on size, but on weight of the sword. The consequence of this is that the moves are slow and with great inertia, and after some attacks Fiona falls to the ground with the sword. But all this is offset by the fact that most of the moves have hyperarmor, and this is visually explained not by the fact that Fiona is strong and withstands attacks, but by the fact that the sword is awesome heavy, and if you swing it, it will fall by inertia, even if Fiona has received damage.
Not quite the same archetype, but swordies in smash bros poisoned my liking of weapon chars cuz they have barely more whiff recovery (aka endlag), still have stupid good frame data, good mobility, sometimes good recovery, only weakness is throws usually But these chars can be kinda funny
i love colossus in yomi hustle, the guy with a sword 3x his size that's so strong he can launch the opponent into space with one swing and create earthquakes just by dropping it
Weird pick but i love amane nishiki for this, like who expects getting drilled to death with a piece of cloth that expands into a size of a car, while also being a whip that drags you in
I don't think this really counts as an "archetype," by FGC terms, anyway. It's more just a character design. That being said, yeah, it's the best. The main character in the fighting game I'm making has a bigass sword. I wanted to make an easy-to-learn character who is balanced between zoning and rushdown capabilities without being just another shoto
I don’t think there’s necessarily a character in this specific archetype there, but I’d love to see discussion of Idol Showdown; outside the Hololive love, the roguelike single player mode is especially engaging, and a great variety of fighters
I was about to get fully on board with the idea of the video, but almost immediately I feel like you're confusing character design with character archetype. Yes, when a zoner like ramlethal swings her swords slowly and controls the mid range with her long reach, the size of the weapon is very prominent. But she's a zoner at her core. She was designed with the big swings, setting traps and using her swords as projectiles as part of her toolkit as a zoner. That's her archetype. Cliff is a much different type of character. Visually, his design also emphasizes on his big sword just like ramlethal, but despite his design sharing one similarity of using a few big lumbering powerful swings, he was designed to rush you down and be good at mid range. In exchange for having better range than most rushdown characters, he gets a shitty health bar. But his archetype is rushdown. There are many characters who have large weapons that incorporate that visual trait into a unique trademark for their playstyles, but in the end I feel like all of those characters already fit into another fighting game character archetype instead of comparing and pooling together characters who work with different functions and can have wildly varied game feels into one category based on a common visual attribute. I don't mean to make this comment like I'm trying to debunk your whole video or anything, I just feel like the concept you pitched feels a little redundant. It was cool seeing you talk about characters with big weapons tho, so you have my like. :)
This is my favorite kind of chericture I play Mako/Arcadia in brawl ABA/May in guilty gear also the only chericture I play in blaze blue is Es so self explanatory. And I know its not a fighting game but in Hades II I use the axe. We need more characters like this. also a new great sword legond in brawlhalla I dont care what wepon they have as long as they have great sword. Also great video :)
because it's such a broad grouping of characters, I would say they all plainly fit under the "swordie" archetype because of their disjointed hitboxes. individually, they fall somewhere between bully and physical zoner
I think Amaterasu in MVC3 could be considered as a part of the oversized weapon characters, even if calling her stance character makes more sense. The fact she has the option to choose from a shield, the big sword, and the chain of beads is really cool imo.
what i dont like about typhoons vids is he brings up Brawlhalla in the traditional fighting games when discussing things in his videos but then he barely if ever brings up Smash bros if Brawlhalla counts for these vids smash should too right? but then if smash doesn't count for these videos then Brawlhalla shouldn't count either ( TLDR: I want typhoonbh to also talk about super smash bros)
I do talk bring up smash sometimes, I just have more familiarity with brawlhalla (a large part of my original audience) so it's easier for me to make connections when writing. It's something I do subconsciously and not on purpose, but I do include smash sometimes.
@@typhoonbh Oh I didnt know that, I played Smash before guilty gear and I thought Smash would make a good game to show as a example for more of your videos that's all (and keep up the good vids :)
Funnily enough cloud from smash should fill this archetype but actually doesn't because the buster sword is relatively medium sized compared to other fighters in smash
I might be nitpicking but I wish they made Ruby's scythe bigger since her trailer made an emphasis on how massive it is compared to her. (Even though that would make her even more crazy op.) At least Es' body to weapon ratio would be fine. Although on second thought, that may be because she swings and moves too fast. Her scythe looks pretty big when you look at her sprites.
Garland in the FF Dissidia Games uses and oversize all-in-one-Axehammer-dule-converted-grate sowrds, that can be swong with a chian. In Dissidia NT he starts off slow but the more he lands his attacks the stronger and faster he becomes. That and the Character Snow in Dissidia NT. Has a super coruption arm that has a pretty fast start up on some of his normals, That and "Impact drive" Is a fast devestating super to use.
My friend recently got me into Guilty Gear Strive. He's a fighting game player, and along with a few others-- I was getting my ass handed to me all the time, as I just don't play a lot of fighting games. I was also testing characters and trying to find something I could both understand and use well. Then I picked May. I may have still been getting curb-stomped still, but I finally started learning how inputs worked and started getting a few wins and close matches. Since then I've been a hard-core May player, and picked up some nasty combinations that had my friends very confused. Except for one guy. Shout out to Vigs-- Bro reads us all like books. Knows my move before I even think it. Literally predicts our move choices before we begin inputs. Bro was helping me in a call and was calling out moves and plays with something I can only describe as precognition.
AKA every single character in UNIB. Big Weapon Character Starter Kit: Big range, extended hitbox on a lot of moves but really pathetic stumpy range on others in key areas to create highs and lows in neutral. Meaty, nasty punish moves that cover half of the screen but have huge penalties on block or whiff. Humongord crazy damage on even basic strings, but low HP and vulnerable to blockstrings and being rushed down themselves. Anti-Air has some whacky and very precise unreliable hitbox even though they could probably just swing their weapon in an arc, but they won't. Guard breaks/unblockables out the ass. Move that looks like it should have hyper armor/guard frames but it doesn't. Move that looks like it shouldn't have hyper armor/guard frames but it does. Your walk speed and backdash is really bad but your sprint/forward dash is good. Tiny, stubby little low kick that's somehow the most important move in their entire kit. Surprise command grab that comes out of nowhere and does more work than most grapplers. Charge inputs/charged inputs. Self-damage gimmicks.
I hear Ape Escape, I like. Good video! I love Sephiroth's design in SSBU (minus the wing mechanic). They translated his comically large katana into the "glass-cannon swordie" of the game, capable of both walling and destroying you but struggling in defense and dying early.
MAAAAN this dude would mald so hard if he ever played Soul Calibur, with the basic long-range characters like Astaroth, Sieg and nightmare being exactly what he hates the most, but imagine he going against characters that are faster and with plenty of Long range moves like Ivy jesus.
As a faithful practitioner of brawlers (Slayer across all Guilty Gears, Enkidu, Soriz, etc) characters like Kliff are often my worst matchups lmao I did play a lot of Ramlethal in Strive, love my girl, but it's hard to dash punch in on characters with such big, active moves. Kliff is the bane of my +R existence right now. Love to hate and hate to love that little oji-san.
i usually call these types of characters "mid range brawlers/bruisers" though it includes any character with these qualities, regardless of big weapon or not. we COULD call them "heavy slash" characters in honor of guilty gear while nodding to big big weapon.
One game that maaaybe you could try talking about in these videos is a mobile game called Shadow Fight: Arena? Has a roster of different characters all wielding different weapons and movesets and one of the has indeed a greatsword that matches what you said here, wide but slow high damaging attacks. Believe me it may be a mobile game but I think it's very good.
i feel it would probably be better to more broadly define the archetype. Its not essential to the mechanical design of a character if they have a big weapon. For example, a character with a kit centered around large, powerful disjoints would fit the mechanical essence of the archetype. To be honest, maybe they just ought to be called "heavy swordfighters"? i'm aware that a lot of these weapons aren't swords but a hitbox is a hitbox
I love the characters that are tiny with massive weapons or the opposite (massive person tiny weapons) One of the main reasons I really like May and A.B.A
now we need the opposite archetype, big character with a puny dagger. high defense and attack speed would be CRAZY but at the cost of low speed and/or attack
I haven't actually played MVCI but I'm assuming the Monster Hunter fits into this because the whole video I was thinking about monster hunter (the game)
Ram... She's an adorable smol autistic child. Very innocent and wholesome. But every time I fight one of her players it's a toss up if I actually have fun or not.
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Itsh not an archetype technically speaking itsh just a trope or an aesthetic. 💀💀💀
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Where is the small guy holding big sword in that game
personal fave name for this archetype is lil fella big tool
perfect
Lfbt? To offer an acronym?
sounds like a phub category
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I personally call this archetype "the ones with the big fuck off sword"
that works
Sephiroth
no call it the Launch the big fuck stabber
While “oversized weapon user” is certainly precise in its description, it’s a little wordy. A more brief and apt descriptor would simply be, “UNI character.” For example, “Whoa, that’s a big halberd. I’m getting some serious UNI character vibes.” Hope this helps!
definitely rolls of the tongue better
then what does UNI stand for? is it an acronym?
@@JacobTheStrong Oh, it’s just a joke. The Under Night (UNI) series is known for having pretty large normals.
@@foxof42 yeah but then it only makes sense if you know UNI. I just call them "Big fuckoff weapon"
@@illford BFW, like the Magnum Research BFR “Big Frame Revolver”
Ostensibly “Big Frame Weapon”, but we all know what the F actually stands for.
ABA has been one of my fav fighting game characters ever since Accent Core. Few things are more satisfying than activate her install (Either Moroha or Jealous mode) and then becoming the main reason of your opponent’s nightmares❤
think of a super feral Goth Toddler trying to claw your throat during a tantrum
I can concur
Partly so we can one day have a character who just wields a comically large spoon for obvious reasons
I contemplated putting the spoonful meme in this video
@typhoonbh you totally should have
That said unironically it could be super cool and have maybe some Villager or Azrael shenanigans where you can return things to sender
Pokémon Adventures has Mewtwo.
@@yugijaka psychic with a massive spoon weapon, utilizing a stance mechanic where they bend the spoon into three forms
- Spoon Polearm (Range and Defense)
- Spoon Scythe (Pressure)
- Spoon Buckler-Sword (Hyper Offense)
@@hambor12 That actually sounds like an Alakazam fighter
And very cool
I like Es. She's so smol and snuggly but also has a giant anime sword
Emphasis on snuggly
Understandable
Nobody likes Es. She is like AIDS incarnate
@@a_creatorsstuff17 Yeah she'd give some of the best cuddles out of the Blazblue cast I think
I love Es, she's one of my favorite Blazblue characters.
My friend calls these types of characters "how a 4'9 person looks holding a kitchen knife" and i find it funny as shit
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Umbrella, Cham Cham, and Nanase are some of my favs that didn't get mentioned!
Wouldn't consider Umbrella as a big weapon small character I mean she is small but hungern is the same size as her if I could probably put her in an archetype it'll be : The Talking weapon archetype
Nanase's sword is not that big
@@Kader6310 I didn’t ask! And she’s not the same size, hunger literally adds an extra head of height to her character sheets, in a game where they draw every frame it’s really easy to check the early art and see that! Cool opinion but I think she fits! good for you tho! Also hungern is sentient and makes noises but doesn’t talk, so I have no idea what you’re on.
@@ImR3DACT3D she literally rides it, her main move is called “Swordcar” the sword is literally bigger than her, standing taller than her in all of her renders, thanks for your opinion but I don’t care! I think she fits!
If you disagree with the characters I mentioned and have no reason other than “i think the big weapon isn’t arbitrarily big enough to fit my standard of big” I don’t care, leave your own comments! Archetypes are not strictly defined and I’m here for fun discussion not to be told I’m wrong coz you disagree with me lol!
KI’s tusk is one of the more interesting examples of the big weapon character, he has the same weaknesses of other big weapon characters but he also has a mechanic that counters sloppy punishes,
When he swings his sword he will flash white for a split second and if the opponent attempts to hit tusk during the flash they will be opened up, it forces the opponent to respect the sword and also forces them to punish tusk at the end of a block string the same way everyone else is normally punished, it also doesn’t make it impossible to hit him on start up but it adds risk to it
Riot Games has an hilarious accronym for this.
They have this item in the shop called "B.F. Sword" and it stands for "Big F*cking sword".
They have this petite woman with a huge cannon and they refer to that gun as a "BFG".
Maybe "BFW" should be the name for this achetype 😂
"I like disjoints"
0:27 And may is not annoying?
she is: ruclips.net/video/QyTjwwDUuBU/видео.html
@@typhoonbh yeah she is the mu for ram is not bad for me I should have thought about the bigger picture
i love ur vids and love how u talk personally about a lot of fighting games, but my fave parts are always when u talk about brawlhalla. Never played the game and know NOTHING about it but I love learning new things and concepts from people who willing to share their know how with others.
So, does anyone need Kliff?
Bring back Kliff by some timey-fuckery.
During the whole 5 minutes I was like "I should comment and ask typhoon to look at Nightmare in SC6" and then you show Nightmare lol
haha
I think Ruby from BBTAG could also fit in here, although she's maybe a bit too fast to be considered one depending on how cranky you feel.
@@morthozst-n-rusalye she doesn't count gorduea would work better
@@DripHakumen oh damn you right as hell bro is huge
Immidiatly thought of kagura from bb when you explained the archetype and was excited when he showed up at the end. Having to quickly slide into a stance then into a huge sword swing perfectly emulated the weight, momentum, and finesse of a normal sized person with a huge weapon.
Agreed
Pshhh May isn’t an archetype. She’s just rushdown lol. Her frame data doesn’t even reflect such a huge wep. Now ABA she’s a refreshing archetype. Non-big character…BUT hampered movement & needs to install to unlock its true power. More like character traits or characteristics…not archetype. And both of them have great back dashes…
All these giant weapons and yet no mention of Gordeau from Uni. Sure, he's not exactly a small guy, but there's nothing quite like hitting from 3/4 of the screen away with your giant scythe.
true
mika also has big ass gaunlets for a tiny girl
why single out gordeau when 90% of the uni cast has oversized weapons
@@SuuBrainrot Uni has some of the biggest hitboxes that have ever hitboxed, but there's actually not many characters that use oversized weapons. Carmine uses blood, Hilda summons shadow-things, Merkava uses his own appendages, etc. A lot of characters like Hyde or Linne have great hitboxes by most other fighting games' standards, but I wouldn't count their relatively smaller weapons as "oversized." Of the characters that use actual weapons, the biggest has to be either Gordeau's or Yuzuriha's.
Of this archetype, Fiona from Arcana Heart is most memorable to me. This is a little girl with a big HEAVY sword. But the emphasis is no longer on size, but on weight of the sword. The consequence of this is that the moves are slow and with great inertia, and after some attacks Fiona falls to the ground with the sword. But all this is offset by the fact that most of the moves have hyperarmor, and this is visually explained not by the fact that Fiona is strong and withstands attacks, but by the fact that the sword is awesome heavy, and if you swing it, it will fall by inertia, even if Fiona has received damage.
Why complicate the name? The Great Weapon (Wielder) (greatsword, greataxe, greathammer, etc...)
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How can you talk about this archetype and not mention Leo from red earth, bros legendary sword goes half screen
I love playing JoJo All Star Battle with people and seeing their reaction when the paraplegic pulls up riding a horse for the first time
I woude call them "Guts" Characters.
has a nice ring to it
Not quite the same archetype, but swordies in smash bros poisoned my liking of weapon chars cuz they have barely more whiff recovery (aka endlag), still have stupid good frame data, good mobility, sometimes good recovery, only weakness is throws usually
But these chars can be kinda funny
i love colossus in yomi hustle, the guy with a sword 3x his size that's so strong he can launch the opponent into space with one swing and create earthquakes just by dropping it
aww man I haven't checked yomi hustle in a bit, def would have included him in the vid
You sir, have excellent taste in video games
is that a mod???
@@The.12D yes
I wanna say Darli Dagger, especially the way she makes weapons in the middle of strings. Also I think this Archetype can be called “Greatsword”
Why not just call it the 'Kliff' archetype? "Yeah I like Nightmare, he's a strong Kliff in the game"
This vid literally reminded me of the dinoblade game/animation dats currently being developed
Oh yeahh
Weird pick but i love amane nishiki for this, like who expects getting drilled to death with a piece of cloth that expands into a size of a car, while also being a whip that drags you in
I don't think this really counts as an "archetype," by FGC terms, anyway. It's more just a character design. That being said, yeah, it's the best. The main character in the fighting game I'm making has a bigass sword. I wanted to make an easy-to-learn character who is balanced between zoning and rushdown capabilities without being just another shoto
It’s probably more of a sub archetype that could fit into others, like glass cannons
1:50 Hey Typhon how did you made this effect
Or what the name of this effect plz
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@@typhoonbh Much appreciated man!
Editing is on level here
I appreciate it
I don’t think there’s necessarily a character in this specific archetype there, but I’d love to see discussion of Idol Showdown; outside the Hololive love, the roguelike single player mode is especially engaging, and a great variety of fighters
Killer Instinct also has a fun version in Tusk with parry frames on his moves he can just power through the enemy its great
This video was really cool to watch, I feel like the visuals are top notch!
May I ask how you achieved the "drawn/crayon" effect at 1:48 and onwards?
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@@typhoonbh Thank you!
I was about to get fully on board with the idea of the video, but almost immediately I feel like you're confusing character design with character archetype. Yes, when a zoner like ramlethal swings her swords slowly and controls the mid range with her long reach, the size of the weapon is very prominent. But she's a zoner at her core. She was designed with the big swings, setting traps and using her swords as projectiles as part of her toolkit as a zoner. That's her archetype.
Cliff is a much different type of character. Visually, his design also emphasizes on his big sword just like ramlethal, but despite his design sharing one similarity of using a few big lumbering powerful swings, he was designed to rush you down and be good at mid range. In exchange for having better range than most rushdown characters, he gets a shitty health bar. But his archetype is rushdown.
There are many characters who have large weapons that incorporate that visual trait into a unique trademark for their playstyles, but in the end I feel like all of those characters already fit into another fighting game character archetype instead of comparing and pooling together characters who work with different functions and can have wildly varied game feels into one category based on a common visual attribute.
I don't mean to make this comment like I'm trying to debunk your whole video or anything, I just feel like the concept you pitched feels a little redundant. It was cool seeing you talk about characters with big weapons tho, so you have my like. :)
This is my favorite kind of chericture I play Mako/Arcadia in brawl ABA/May in guilty gear also the only chericture I play in blaze blue is Es so self explanatory. And I know its not a fighting game but in Hades II I use the axe. We need more characters like this. also a new great sword legond in brawlhalla I dont care what wepon they have as long as they have great sword.
Also great video :)
I appreciate it
I like speed grapplers like
Makoto sf3
Bullet blazblue
Angel kof
Its a niche archetype you don't see alot of
A bit sad that you didn’t talk about Magyar at all considering he was in the thumbnail.
It was mostly about the weapon than the character but yeah Jaeyun didn’t look as good in the thumbnail
@@typhoonbh but Magyars stats embodied the same characteristics as the weapon even if Jaeyun is considered the best of the three.
Minimum size custom character using astaroth's style in soulcalibur also fits here
because it's such a broad grouping of characters, I would say they all plainly fit under the "swordie" archetype because of their disjointed hitboxes. individually, they fall somewhere between bully and physical zoner
Practically all of my mains fit this archetype because i just love big weapons. my favorite being labrys from p4au
im a simple man, i see magyar and i click
real
I think Amaterasu in MVC3 could be considered as a part of the oversized weapon characters, even if calling her stance character makes more sense. The fact she has the option to choose from a shield, the big sword, and the chain of beads is really cool imo.
I love the small character big weapon characters too
Big weapons are typical of
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ooo I like that one
Idk wats the state of greatsword currently but it was definitely fast with those strings even tho it's a heavy looking weapon
For sure
what i dont like about typhoons vids is he brings up Brawlhalla in the traditional fighting games when discussing things in his videos but then he barely if ever brings up Smash bros if Brawlhalla counts for these vids smash should too right? but then if smash doesn't count for these videos then Brawlhalla shouldn't count either ( TLDR: I want typhoonbh to also talk about super smash bros)
I do talk bring up smash sometimes, I just have more familiarity with brawlhalla (a large part of my original audience) so it's easier for me to make connections when writing. It's something I do subconsciously and not on purpose, but I do include smash sometimes.
@@typhoonbh Oh I didnt know that, I played Smash before guilty gear and I thought Smash would make a good game to show as a example for more of your videos that's all (and keep up the good vids :)
Funnily enough cloud from smash should fill this archetype but actually doesn't because the buster sword is relatively medium sized compared to other fighters in smash
Tokudai can be the name for this archetype, as it is the japanese term for "oversized"
I see jaeyun and I click
I might be nitpicking but I wish they made Ruby's scythe bigger since her trailer made an emphasis on how massive it is compared to her.
(Even though that would make her even more crazy op.)
At least Es' body to weapon ratio would be fine.
Although on second thought, that may be because she swings and moves too fast. Her scythe looks pretty big when you look at her sprites.
And this is why Monster Hunter is such a fun series. That game is full to the brim with oversized weapons
Garland in the FF Dissidia Games uses and oversize all-in-one-Axehammer-dule-converted-grate sowrds, that can be swong with a chian. In Dissidia NT he starts off slow but the more he lands his attacks the stronger and faster he becomes.
That and the Character Snow in Dissidia NT. Has a super coruption arm that has a pretty fast start up on some of his normals, That and "Impact drive" Is a fast devestating super to use.
The ape escape soundtrack really takes me back lol 😅
Nice informative vid!
My friend recently got me into Guilty Gear Strive. He's a fighting game player, and along with a few others-- I was getting my ass handed to me all the time, as I just don't play a lot of fighting games.
I was also testing characters and trying to find something I could both understand and use well. Then I picked May.
I may have still been getting curb-stomped still, but I finally started learning how inputs worked and started getting a few wins and close matches.
Since then I've been a hard-core May player, and picked up some nasty combinations that had my friends very confused.
Except for one guy. Shout out to Vigs-- Bro reads us all like books. Knows my move before I even think it. Literally predicts our move choices before we begin inputs. Bro was helping me in a call and was calling out moves and plays with something I can only describe as precognition.
AKA every single character in UNIB.
Big Weapon Character Starter Kit:
Big range, extended hitbox on a lot of moves but really pathetic stumpy range on others in key areas to create highs and lows in neutral.
Meaty, nasty punish moves that cover half of the screen but have huge penalties on block or whiff.
Humongord crazy damage on even basic strings, but low HP and vulnerable to blockstrings and being rushed down themselves.
Anti-Air has some whacky and very precise unreliable hitbox even though they could probably just swing their weapon in an arc, but they won't.
Guard breaks/unblockables out the ass.
Move that looks like it should have hyper armor/guard frames but it doesn't.
Move that looks like it shouldn't have hyper armor/guard frames but it does.
Your walk speed and backdash is really bad but your sprint/forward dash is good.
Tiny, stubby little low kick that's somehow the most important move in their entire kit.
Surprise command grab that comes out of nowhere and does more work than most grapplers.
Charge inputs/charged inputs.
Self-damage gimmicks.
I hear Ape Escape, I like. Good video!
I love Sephiroth's design in SSBU (minus the wing mechanic). They translated his comically large katana into the "glass-cannon swordie" of the game, capable of both walling and destroying you but struggling in defense and dying early.
MAAAAN this dude would mald so hard if he ever played Soul Calibur, with the basic long-range characters like Astaroth, Sieg and nightmare being exactly what he hates the most, but imagine he going against characters that are faster and with plenty of Long range moves like Ivy jesus.
As a faithful practitioner of brawlers (Slayer across all Guilty Gears, Enkidu, Soriz, etc) characters like Kliff are often my worst matchups lmao I did play a lot of Ramlethal in Strive, love my girl, but it's hard to dash punch in on characters with such big, active moves. Kliff is the bane of my +R existence right now. Love to hate and hate to love that little oji-san.
i usually call these types of characters "mid range brawlers/bruisers" though it includes any character with these qualities, regardless of big weapon or not. we COULD call them "heavy slash" characters in honor of guilty gear while nodding to big big weapon.
One game that maaaybe you could try talking about in these videos is a mobile game called Shadow Fight: Arena? Has a roster of different characters all wielding different weapons and movesets and one of the has indeed a greatsword that matches what you said here, wide but slow high damaging attacks. Believe me it may be a mobile game but I think it's very good.
i feel it would probably be better to more broadly define the archetype. Its not essential to the mechanical design of a character if they have a big weapon. For example, a character with a kit centered around large, powerful disjoints would fit the mechanical essence of the archetype. To be honest, maybe they just ought to be called "heavy swordfighters"? i'm aware that a lot of these weapons aren't swords but a hitbox is a hitbox
I love the characters that are tiny with massive weapons or the opposite (massive person tiny weapons)
One of the main reasons I really like May and A.B.A
I've been gradually recognizing just how much I like oversized weapon users. They just scratch the right itches.
now we need the opposite archetype, big character with a puny dagger.
high defense and attack speed would be CRAZY but at the cost of low speed and/or attack
I haven't actually played MVCI but I'm assuming the Monster Hunter fits into this because the whole video I was thinking about monster hunter (the game)
Kagura is my fav, hell actually my fav fighter in the whole fightingame genre so i always look for charachters that plays like him
Tried guilty gear and couldn’t get into it, but as an avid brawlhalla and tekken 7 player, gotta say brawlhalla lance should be mentioned too
Ramlethal May A.B.A for the bill of small characters big weapons in Strive😂 sucks that I don't play fgs like that though
Hey, I’m in this! Thanks for using some of my, albeit old, Kliff play. He’s a great character!
My fav is Siegfried and Nightmare from Soul Calibur along with Siegfried from Grandblue VS!
Sephiroth in SSBU is fun to play, some of his attacks have him swing his sword in a big arc that just feels powerful
Calling Bam lethal annoying while I’m over here still reeling from “TOTSUGEKI”
Mika from UNIB. I don't like her design whatsoever but I think she's a very fun character
I didnt realize that pretty much all of the characters I like in different games fit the archetype. I love ABA tho.
this archetype could be called BFW (Big fuckoff Weapon) as a little reference to doom
Have you heard of God Eater? If you like oversized weapons, maybe that anime is for you haha.
What about a really big dude (ex: Potemkin) who fights with something like a butter knife?
Look up Yunli from Honkai star rail. The game itself isn't a fighting game but her design is sick
bro put A.B.A and Jaeyun in a thumbnail and expected me NOT to click 💀
For the new league fighting game Riven could be the girl with oversized sword angle, or gwen with some big ah scissors
i thought u were gonna talk abt aba SO MUCH i was so surpised when the outro played lol wth
eyy they got sponsored!!!! cg!!!
more money to spend on brawlhalla >:))
Why not call them "Giant Weapon Users"? It's catchy and rolls off the tongue better than "Oversized Weapon Users".
Or Oversized Weapon Wielders (aka OWWs) cuz every time they hit the opponent with their huge weapon the victim goes, “OWW!!!”
The only reason why i chosed magyar in brawlhalla it's because he is slow, tanky and had gs and gammer
I literally main every character that holds a big weapon in games. Its just so cool😆
Ram... She's an adorable smol autistic child. Very innocent and wholesome. But every time I fight one of her players it's a toss up if I actually have fun or not.
Since when was she autistic?
bro changed the thumbnail
Bro did
The coolest archetype is defo puppet characters (coming from a puppet character glazer)
Brawlhalla mentioned???? I didn't know there was more than 3 of us
Love seeing Brawlhalla content from fgc 🔥
I just call them a Cloud Strife or a Final Fantasy rep and it gets the point across
in consolation have game should guts character. weapon twice the size of them.
If only people thought like you... i wouldn't be bullied for playing lance.
Kliff gaming
real
This archetype should be called BFW (Big F**king Weapon)
this is'nt a fighting game archetype just a design choice.. misleading...