You can also count them as: one a mama an a mama two a mama an a mama three a mama an a mama four a mama an a mama For more info: http;//davidoromaner.com davidolessons.com
Wow, thanks for showing how to count thirty-second notes. I thought it looked puzzling when I first saw them, because I only learned how to read up to sixteenth notes. It's not something they teach us in school. I wanted to look this up out of curiousity, because it's in our etude for All-State band. It seems rather difficult because I'm a wind player though.
+Ilostmypetrock D: +Ilostmypetrock D: Your welcome! If your playing them in a piece you will most likely need to count them as sixteenth notes (like I mentioned at the end of the video). The very slow tempo that I used to demonstrate is usually too slow for most performance pieces. So just think two notes for each sixteenth note. Good luck!
I'm not a drummer but I'm learning piano. In Mozart Sonata 16 first movement, there are 32nd notes and I've been struggling with this measure. Thanks for the help!
Cool video! Why not just count it as 1e&a 1e&a, 2e&a2e&a, 3e&a3e&a, 4e&a4e&a at a slower tempo as it seems like less mouth movement and all musicians know 1e&a anyway and then just switch to counting 1e&a at faster tempos? I guess it seems like personal preference...
That’s an excellent idea and the 1e&a vernacular already well known is an excellent point! I’m hoping to make a follow up with adding everyone’s idea. It would make for a fun video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Can you play a 32nd note without using a fiddle technique? Also how is playing it as a diddle technique differ from when you have a fiddle on 16th notes?? Please answer!
Hey Jeffrey, you can play 32nd notes any way you like. I used the diddles (I call them double stroke rolls in this video) because it’s easy to demonstrate the counting simply by just doubling up each stroke. Understanding the relationships between all note values is the key to understanding notation. 32nd notes last half as long as 16th notes and 16th notes last half as long as 8th notes. I’m planning on doing a video soon that explains and demonstrates some useful exercises regarding your question. Thanks for your thoughtful question!
quarter notes are like counting 1, stop, 2, stop, 3, stop. eighth notes are 1, 2, 3, 4 16th notes are twice as fast 32nd notes are next. edit, there are 2 eighth notes in a second approx
Hey Christian, let me know if you figured something out that works for you, but if you haven't I would count the thirty-second notes in your example as sixteenth notes and just double them up. Let me know if that info is helpful or not I can do a short video to demonstrate.
Not necesarily you can play 32nd notes as single strokes as well. The reason why I used double strokes was that I think it makes it easier to see that two 32nd notes equal one sixteenth note. Essentially note values are all about relationships not tempos. In this case comparing 16th notes to 32nd notes is a 2:1 relationship. 32nd notes can actually be played in many different sticking patterns just as 16th notes.Hopefully that helps.
You're welcome my friend! Yeah I did take some time off but I'm gearing up to do more videos so please check back or subscribe that would help me! Peace, DO
David, The explanation was correct. However in the first two demonstrations on the drums, you played 8th notes and 16th note (instead of 16th notes and 32nd notes).
+Pulse992 In the first two demonstrations I did play them at 8th and 16th note tempos respectively but I counted them as 16th notes and 32nd notes so I could demonstrate conceptually counting the 32nd notes out loud. Thanks for pointing that out b/c in practice we would never play 32nd notes that slow.
Wow yeah You don't hear that too often but I would guess that it's the same way you play 8th note or 16th note half time feels. Meaning weather you're playing 32 note, 16th note or 8th note high hat grooves--where backbeat is 2 and 4 switching the backbeat (snare drum) to count 3 makes the half time groove regardless of your subdivision. At least that's the way I think of it. Let me know if that makes sense!
David O Lessons thanks David! That makes sense. Here is a better question....I’ve been told that if I cannot play the 30 second note fill, just break it down and play it as a 16th note fill. My question is, after I break it down, how will I learn it so that it’s a 30 second fill?? I guess I’m saying, should I break it down but keep the speed the same? Or should I break it down and then also cut the speed in half. I’m trying to get to the most practical way of learning 30 second fills and phrasing.
Stuart, Jr Barrett I think what people might be saying is that you can’t count 32nd notes at tempos they are supposed to be played at. You play a 32nd note fill and count (or feel) them as 16th notes. In short the easiest way to play a fill that has 32nd notes is to simply double up each 16th note (like in this video but faster) so you’re going from a single to a double stroke. My advice is to work on your hands so you can play fast doubles and then work on your time tables up to 32nd notes on a drum pad. That will give you a good foundation as well as ideas on how to get that going on a drum set. I can do a lesson on here since some of my students are working on just that.
Dude just count triplets in 4 counts 1-tr-ipl-eet 2-tr-ipl-eet 3tr-ipl-eet 4tr-ipl-eet Those Are supposed to be triplet doubles so that would be 8x8x8x8=32 you just have to count it relaxed.. I learned this at "Musicians Institute" In Hollwood California..
I don’t get it, how does counting triplets work? Aren’t Triplets 12 notes per bar? So 3 would be 36? Not saying it’s wrong, I’m just trying to understand it.
It’s more about the relationship - there are two 32nd notes to every 16th note. I used a double stroke roll as an example but you can pretty much play any rudiment as 32nd notes. The point I was trying to make in the video is that 32nd notes are usually performed at tempos where you can’t comfortably count them, therefore you count 16th notes but double up each note.
Also do you have any good tips for improving my double stroke rolls. I get up to about a 120 and try to do it with my fingers instead of my wrist and then I end up slowing down
@@njkdrums6241 If you're using a wrist double bounce stroke (as opposed to an open/close finger technique) that will make it easier to play doubles faster. Once you get the fingers involved IMO there is much more complexity and technique involved to make that work. Advanced players add in the fingers to their doubles for various reasons but I usually tell my students to work on the double bounce wrist stroke with the housing of the stick in a pretty stable position before adding in the fingers.
Ok that's cool. I just uploaded a video counting for all the basic subdivisons. You might like one for reference too! ruclips.net/video/fElkVSX7tuY/видео.html
Hi Scott, The reason I used doubles was to make the relationship between 16ths and 32nd notes easy to understand. Ie. Doubling each 16th note gives us 32nds. Is there a specific reason why you think playing singles would have been more useful? Thanks!
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thank you so much it was simple but really helpful sir
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THANK YOU SO MUCH! I saw this on my marching band music for bass drum and I had no idea what it was!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Wow, thanks for showing how to count thirty-second notes. I thought it looked puzzling when I first saw them, because I only learned how to read up to sixteenth notes. It's not something they teach us in school. I wanted to look this up out of curiousity, because it's in our etude for All-State band. It seems rather difficult because I'm a wind player though.
+Ilostmypetrock D: +Ilostmypetrock D: Your welcome! If your playing them in a piece you will most likely need to count them as sixteenth notes (like I mentioned at the end of the video). The very slow tempo that I used to demonstrate is usually too slow for most performance pieces. So just think two notes for each sixteenth note. Good luck!
How about relating the 32nds to the basic 8th note count as:
1-amama An-amama 2-amama An-amama 3-amama An-amama 4-amama An-amama ?
+John Hedger Excellent idea, I can demonstrate that in a future video. Thanks for pointing that out!
Something that's going to stick forever for me. Thanks
John Jackson Great! Don’t forget to try counting One a mamma an a mamma as well!
I don’t have that many mamas
Thank you.
You’re welcome
Thank you!!!! I have been trying to figure this out for the LONGEST time!
Your welcome! Glad it helped!!!
I'm a guitar player working on a piece with 32nd note trills. This helped a lot!
Thanks for letting me know! Glad it helped!
thank u so much david! :)
You're welcome Jia-Yee!
I'm not a drummer but I'm learning piano. In Mozart Sonata 16 first movement, there are 32nd notes and I've been struggling with this measure. Thanks for the help!
You're welcome Andrew! Glad it helped!
Thank you this is really helpful
Thank you so much for this video! It was really informal and helpful.
You're welcome! I'm so glad it helped you.
Help me with this hand exercises. 16 to 32 notes
Thank you. I have a better understanding of 32nd notes than I did before.
You're welcome!
You’re welcome! Don’t forget to also try counting them as 1-amama-an-a-mama 2-amama-an-mama 3-amama-an-amama 4-amama-an-a-mama
how do you count 128th notes....
Does this mean I can make a time signature with 32 as it's denominator? Such examples would be 17/32, 41/32, 63/32, 39/32, 55/32, and 21/32.
Those would be fun
@@DavidOLessons They sure would, especially 17/32 and 63/32!
Great lesson
Thanks!
Thank you!
You're welcome Dave!
Great explanation
Thanks!
Cool video! Why not just count it as 1e&a 1e&a, 2e&a2e&a, 3e&a3e&a, 4e&a4e&a at a slower tempo as it seems like less mouth movement and all musicians know 1e&a anyway and then just switch to counting 1e&a at faster tempos? I guess it seems like personal preference...
That’s an excellent idea and the 1e&a vernacular already well known is an excellent point! I’m hoping to make a follow up with adding everyone’s idea. It would make for a fun video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Can you play a 32nd note without using a fiddle technique? Also how is playing it as a diddle technique differ from when you have a fiddle on 16th notes?? Please answer!
Hey Jeffrey, you can play 32nd notes any way you like. I used the diddles (I call them double stroke rolls in this video) because it’s easy to demonstrate the counting simply by just doubling up each stroke. Understanding the relationships between all note values is the key to understanding notation. 32nd notes last half as long as 16th notes and 16th notes last half as long as 8th notes. I’m planning on doing a video soon that explains and demonstrates some useful exercises regarding your question. Thanks for your thoughtful question!
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Great! glad it helped!
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I got a question... from Sullivan east high school.
Sure what's your question?
How would you count 109/32?
Tom Parker the top number (109) means there are 109 beats in a measure. the bottom note (32) suggests that the 32nd note gets the beat
I count them like this (4/4):
o o e e n n a a
t t e e n n a a
t t e e n n a a
f f e e n n a a
It gets kinda confusing in fast tempos
quarter notes are like counting 1, stop, 2, stop, 3, stop.
eighth notes are 1, 2, 3, 4
16th notes are twice as fast
32nd notes are next.
edit, there are 2 eighth notes in a second approx
how do I count dotted eighth/thirty-second note combination
Hey Christian, let me know if you figured something out that works for you, but if you haven't I would count the thirty-second notes in your example as sixteenth notes and just double them up. Let me know if that info is helpful or not I can do a short video to demonstrate.
Thanks I finally know how to count 32nd notes
Thanks! Make sure to count it this way too! one a mama and a mama two a mama and a mama three a mama and a mama four a mama and a mama
so 32nd notes are usually played as double strokes not single strokes?
Not necesarily you can play 32nd notes as single strokes as well. The reason why I used double strokes was that I think it makes it easier to see that two 32nd notes equal one sixteenth note. Essentially note values are all about relationships not tempos. In this case comparing 16th notes to 32nd notes is a 2:1 relationship. 32nd notes can actually be played in many different sticking patterns just as 16th notes.Hopefully that helps.
David O Lessons Okay makes sense. Thanks for the reply on this rather old video haha!
You're welcome my friend! Yeah I did take some time off but I'm gearing up to do more videos so please check back or subscribe that would help me! Peace, DO
so you pretty much hit it twice on the 1 then twice on the E and so on?
+Tweek Bros Exactly , which is why at faster tempos it's easier to count them as sixteenth notes and hit twice for each count.
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it becomes a lot of mamas in there
What about 64th notes and 128th notes?
Maybe I'll do another video with that since it's a popular question! Thanks for your input!
David, The explanation was correct. However in the first two demonstrations on the drums, you played 8th notes and 16th note (instead of 16th notes and 32nd notes).
+Pulse992 In the first two demonstrations I did play them at 8th and 16th note tempos respectively but I counted them as 16th notes and 32nd notes so I could demonstrate conceptually counting the 32nd notes out loud. Thanks for pointing that out b/c in practice we would never play 32nd notes that slow.
How to count 32nd triplets?
I'm planning on making a video on counting 16th note triplets but maybe I'll add that in there. How do you count them?
I prefee didle didle for single 32nd notes but for double stroke in each hand I got didle daddle diddle daddle
Cool Joshua! Thanks for sharing that!
Nice :)
Thanks!
How would I play 30 seconds as a half time feel?
Wow yeah You don't hear that too often but I would guess that it's the same way you play 8th note or 16th note half time feels. Meaning weather you're playing 32 note, 16th note or 8th note high hat grooves--where backbeat is 2 and 4 switching the backbeat (snare drum) to count 3 makes the half time groove regardless of your subdivision. At least that's the way I think of it. Let me know if that makes sense!
David O Lessons thanks David! That makes sense. Here is a better question....I’ve been told that if I cannot play the 30 second note fill, just break it down and play it as a 16th note fill. My question is, after I break it down, how will I learn it so that it’s a 30 second fill?? I guess I’m saying, should I break it down but keep the speed the same? Or should I break it down and then also cut the speed in half. I’m trying to get to the most practical way of learning 30 second fills and phrasing.
Stuart, Jr Barrett I think what people might be saying is that you can’t count 32nd notes at tempos they are supposed to be played at. You play a 32nd note fill and count (or feel) them as 16th notes. In short the easiest way to play a fill that has 32nd notes is to simply double up each 16th note (like in this video but faster) so you’re going from a single to a double stroke. My advice is to work on your hands so you can play fast doubles and then work on your time tables up to 32nd notes on a drum pad. That will give you a good foundation as well as ideas on how to get that going on a drum set. I can do a lesson on here since some of my students are working on just that.
Also here is a video I made last week for a student to work on that goes from 16th to 32nd notes ruclips.net/video/7X2aEhsVj3c/видео.html
David O Lessons Thank You! I think that new video will help plenty. When you say, “times table”, do you mean, “subdivisions”?!?!
Dude just count triplets in 4 counts 1-tr-ipl-eet 2-tr-ipl-eet 3tr-ipl-eet 4tr-ipl-eet Those Are supposed to be triplet doubles so that would be 8x8x8x8=32 you just have to count it relaxed.. I learned this at "Musicians Institute" In Hollwood California..
That sounds interesting. Thanks for the suggestion
I don’t get it, how does counting triplets work? Aren’t Triplets 12 notes per bar? So 3 would be 36? Not saying it’s wrong, I’m just trying to understand it.
@@larrytate1657 not sure I understand it either.
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a 5 e & a 6 e & a 7 e & a 8 e & a.
Whatchu say about my mama?
So basically it’s just a double stroke roll?
It’s more about the relationship - there are two 32nd notes to every 16th note. I used a double stroke roll as an example but you can pretty much play any rudiment as 32nd notes. The point I was trying to make in the video is that 32nd notes are usually performed at tempos where you can’t comfortably count them, therefore you count 16th notes but double up each note.
David O. Students ok thank you for replying. I was just wondering cause I saw someone playing them with what I thought looked like single strokes
Also do you have any good tips for improving my double stroke rolls. I get up to about a 120 and try to do it with my fingers instead of my wrist and then I end up slowing down
@@njkdrums6241 You're welcome!
@@njkdrums6241 If you're using a wrist double bounce stroke (as opposed to an open/close finger technique) that will make it easier to play doubles faster. Once you get the fingers involved IMO there is much more complexity and technique involved to make that work. Advanced players add in the fingers to their doubles for various reasons but I usually tell my students to work on the double bounce wrist stroke with the housing of the stick in a pretty stable position before adding in the fingers.
I don't count, I play by ear, but still a nice reference; though of course I still keep time
Ok that's cool. I just uploaded a video counting for all the basic subdivisons. You might like one for reference too! ruclips.net/video/fElkVSX7tuY/видео.html
You should have played them using singles
Hi Scott, The reason I used doubles was to make the relationship between 16ths and 32nd notes easy to understand. Ie. Doubling each 16th note gives us 32nds. Is there a specific reason why you think playing singles would have been more useful? Thanks!
@@DavidOLessonspersonally ? I think it takes more skill and you could have pushed your followers to practice more
@@scottgarvey669 yeah I can see that! Thanks for the feedback