Exploding Turbo Charger: NS Locomotive Failure With a Smoke Show Near Toledo, Ohio.
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This was a great departure scene of an NS mixed freight departing from a red block untill some jack wagon goes around the gates and blocks my shot and after that....... The Un-Expected happens............
NS mixed freight: C40-9 # 8862, EX- CR SD70 #2573(ol' Smokey), SD70M-2 #2737, and C40-9W # ?
The smoke was caused by a blown turbocharger gasket and the locomotive is burning it's own lube oil. it's a huge deal and the loco diesel engine can be saved but it needs to be shut down asap also It got all over me, the camera, and my grandpa's truck, but it was an awsome experience!!!
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Apparently, the horns on NS's Dash 9s are now equipped with a "make the turbo on the EMD behind you blow up" function!
Awesome timing !! The turbo went at the EXACT moment he initiated the air horn.
One hell of a railfanning experience I'd say.It's quite interesting as to how they look when they are puffing smoke like that.It looks just like a steam engine.Awesome video and it was really cool how you got that kind of thing on film.Amazing video!!
White smoke from a diesel engine indicates more fuel than compression and oxygen in the cylinder, most commonly caused by a fuel injector "Washing Out" (mechanically failing, allowing a flood of diesel into that cylinder. Black smoke, conversely, usually indicates a blown turbocharger. Great video of the hole going out!
Most turbo failures I have seen result in flames and black smoke. This looks like a cylinder liner failure where coolant is entering the cylinder and being flashed into steam. The steam would be oily too. I got a shot of an ALCO 630 doing the same thing and it was a cracked cylinder liner. White steam tinged with blue from the oil.
Actually oil out the exhaust side of the turbo does come out mostly white, worked on a car with the same problem and I had the same mis-thought as you at first. The smell gave it away. Also water steam dissipates quite quickly, the smoke in the video stuck around for a good while.
* I think I can, I think I can*, ( cough, cough,cough) ah the hell with it, I;m done the other 2 can do it.......
cool video
@AmtrakCSXRailfan to add to your reply...oil isnt burning in the "turbos crank case" the turbo seal goes bad and lets oil into the exhaust side of the turbo letting it flash off. same as dumping oil into the tail pipe on your car. turbo is still boosting but its pouring oil into the exhaust
Nothing quite like a large diesel in a potential runaway situation to RAISE YOUR PULSE.
These engines can burn the crankcase oil as fuel. Since airflow is usually un-restricted, a turbo gasket like this can cause the engine to very quickly over-rev and send very heavy cast iron pistons on a lively trip. I'm glad to hear no-one was hurt and the engine could be repaired. Thanks for the video!
Great capture, being at the right place at the right time with video camera running.
I think that the lead loco isn't a C40-8W, but a C40-8 spartan cab ;)
Great moment captured on camera, thanks for sharing :)
Love the smell of Napalm in the morning!
Diesel smells good!
Downwind at Rochelle IL railfan spot does the same effect..
Me thinks that was a steam locomotive in a previous life.
Great video. A return to the age of steam locos.
I see a lot of train traffic in the summer, as my boat is harbored next to a rail yard. I like seeing the trains go by. The shunters not so much, as they tend to hog the crossing. Badly designed yard. The gates close when they're doing regular work. Never seen a breakdown though.
After the start the boost pressure maxed blowing the turbocharger . Wide open with a heavy load does this.
It is a dash-9 because the radiators are thicker... Thanks for the comment!! and your welcome!
What I really like, is at 1:26 where you can see they cut power from the blown loco and it loaded up the others! Note the black smoke from the lead engine. They others all probably loaded up as well to compensate, but you can't tell because of the huge cloud of oil smoke... I agree, it is pretty blue as it passes, and it sounds like you know it did ; }-~
Just a couple of questions. One, do you know if this loco was shut down before any serious damage was done and two, did that loco sound any different to the other three (whehn it passed) or did the horn drown it out? It's just that, being a diesel mechanic myself, it looks like the whole turbo went bang, not just the oil seal.
Please understand I'm not trying to doubt what you know, but I'm just curious.
The funny part is that it was a EMD, not a GE!
Holy crap! That was a great catch, usually don't see that in videos too much!
Maybe a dumb question, but is an operator required in each engine, or are the electronics all chained together to be driven from the cab in the front?
@Railroader007 Agreed, this happened on a ship I was stationed on, we were running 700rpm on both mains (twin Alco v16's) for about 4 hours and rapidly loss pressure in the turbo. The head fractured, most likely from too much stress and the fact that both mains are extremely old..
@watchingcrazycrashes black smoke is actually unburnt fuel and white/ blue smoke is burnt oil, it was caused by the oil burning in the turbo's crank case causing the white smoke with a blue tint in the video. this would be referred to as a blown turbo. Also, it was a very warm day not a cool one. Thanks for the comment though
Nice catch, that maintainer in his truck probably called them on it too.
They can isolate that engine and use the remaining power to move them along.
That is, as long as they don't have steep grades to contend with, or more cars to pick up.
that train wanted some attention so decided to give a nice big smoke show. That smoke must have smelt nice! :P
This is engine oil, not fuel.. most likely a cracked cylinder liner feeding oil into the combustion chamber and not being fully burnt.
@fabzcardon Turbochargers only last so long and eventually the bearings go out, causing it to stop turning suddenly. And the white smoke was probably caused from the oil which is used to lubricate the turbo bearings leaking into the hot exhaust.
It is excessive fuel, the rack may not be set correctly or it is just a "smoker" or (this is taking it a little far) the governor is shot. The one GP-40 we run smokes all the time, we replaced the governor (when it went) and checked the rack.
woah...i never thought a train can break down like a car.
till i saw the movie planes, trains and automobiles LOL!
Awesome Video Man dont think ya could get a Better Smoke show than that theres alot of people that know everything aint there
A foggy day in old London town!
I guess the engineer couldn't have stopped without blocking the crossing?
WOW!!! Plume of Oil Vapor!!! You record enough, and odds are you eventually get some really cool stuff!!!
Im also a big railfan and was suprised to see the amount of smke comming out of that unit. 4 unit average length freight, you'd think it wouldnt be struggling so much as to blow the turbo like that. Lol. Great video
looks like the oring on the intake side of the turbo broke making the motor run on its own oil. they call it (running away) . at that point the motor will hit maxrevs untill it blows up runs out of oil or you starve the motor of air
I love how it went off right as the horn was sounded, like a steam whistle. It didn't blow a turbocharger, it was undercover as a steam locomotive!
@Batojiri1 Where do you come up with every time? I think the fact that I spent 2 years in Heavy duty diesel Mechanics school carry a state license and railroad for a living I think gives me a pretty good idea... Just saying, when was the last time you worked on an sd70?
So do these stick wide open when that happens? Seems to me it's burning on it's own oil and can't be shut down hence the acceleration as soon as the smoke started...
should have seen the show we put on today, had two gp-9's spitting fire out the stacks, sparked a couple grass fires but thats just details
@ddd3240 Thank you very much sir, I am glad to hear that you and your grandkids enjoy trains and the excitement that comes with them. And you are welcome! Have a Merry Christmas!
BLAH!!!! That white smoke STINKS!!!!
@megs905 The Engineer probbaly had a button titled "railfan surprise" lol and it smelled great....
HAHA!! RIGHT ON CAMERA as soon as he blew the horn :) NICE!!
At 1:30, it would be a good time to push the red button on that locomotive that says "EFCO" or (Emergency Fuel Cut Off) to at least shut that engine down. They have enough motive power on there to chug on. The only question is, will that EMD SD70M-2 have the same misfortune? Lol.
@ps3dethman1 its white in the video because the oils turning to oil vapor on the hot turbo / exhaust manifold, its not burning at all,
@basspiq i belive they have air dams in front of the turbo just incase this were to happen, they cut off the air supply so the engine can not run. also it will only run away if oil it aslo going into the intake side, and there would be ALOT of black smoke.
@juliachan1987 did he stop and check it out, and was he just trying to get the train out away from populated area?
is this same as blowby or it's differant ?? thank for the vedio
@AmtrakCSXRailfan Black smoke is partially burnt, blue is burnt oil and white smoke is unburnt fuel.
Wow, that's crazy. Ex-CR SD70 2573.
@AmtrakCSXRailfan Wrong In a diesel white smoke is low combustion temperature. Blue is oil and black is fuel. More likely is is a blown head gasket. If the turbo had gone it would be pitch black smoke most likely with flames as the fuel is still burning as it leave the engine (state licensed heavy duty diesel mechanic and class I railroader ;)
@justinmoss101 Usually heavy black smoke when a turbo goes. It is black because there is too much diesel and not enough air in the combustion chambers. This can lead to high EGT under a load and cause engine failure.
By any chance, would this be an old CONRAIL engine in NS paint? About 10-years ago I saw a CONRAIL unit coming out of the Big Four Yards in Avon, IN that did the same exact thing. It was like someone laid down an instant fog screen in the area and it lasted for about 1 to 2 minutes. Neat capture on your part - I didn't have a camera when I saw it.
Not saying the Turbo gasket didn't fail, just typically when that happens, the oil burns and produces a much "bluer" smoke.
What's wrong with a second unit like the NS SD70 loco? Sounds like a fuel problem. In the beginning, it was perfectly fine until 1:15 that it started smoking at the exact honk of the horn of the first unit (Dash 9). I guess the SD70 is not in the mood in much of a horn show lol
I have had the same thing happen to me on a semi-truck before. It left just as much smoke behind too!
@ipodsrdabest a run away can also burn black cuz it burns very rich and VERY hot, if the burn was cooler, like in a gas engine it would burn blueish, whit smoke come from a turbo seal cuz the oil contacts the hot turbo housing and evaporated..
@AmtrakCSXRailfan Diesel fuel IS oil, and when it isn't fully burned you get blue smoke. Black smoke is when the engine is running rich.
That's a LOT of oil!
@RailRKO57 in Manchester isn't the rail width smaller? I think I read something about that.. The US standard is exactly 4 feet what is it where you are RailRKO57
Big loco wished to be like he's old man - A Steam Train.
He's doing a bloody good job of it, total white out.
I know how diesel-electric trains work, but I didn't know they had turbochargers... cool! and lucky shot
sure it wasn't just a cold engine? If a turbo blows and in the process of going bad or even if they last the engine due to neg. crankcase pressure, there's a whole lot of noise going on. But there wasn't any bang or whurl or popping going on, just a whole lot of smoke coming when the engineer is notching up the throttle.
What's wrong with the 2nd unit like the NS SD60. Sounds like fuel problem. But in the beginning, It was perfectly OK but 1:15, white smokes came at the exact honk of the horn from the black NS Dash 9. Sounds like SD60 is not in the mood for the much of a horn show
Why didn't they isolate the unit, shut it down? or did they, and we just were not shown the particular moment ? Wow what a fog out !!
I know of some folks that let the low oil detector trip and dump the oil from the governor so that the low oil detector on the governor trips and kills the engine before the engine can run its crankcase dry.
@NYCTAFreak500 yea the SD was probbally mad because a GE was leading the show lol, but any way the turbocharger blew a head gasket which was causing it to burn on it's own lube oil, a very serious situation.
And thanks for the comment!!!!
those engines would make one heck of a bong
This is the case with a turbo, only takes a blown gasket/ seal to allow oil to seep into the induction box of the engine and become part of what is being burnt.
@4G63PWR Where did I say the turbo exploded? A turbo does not have to explode to have a runaway, like you said, a simple failure could cause it. I was just asking for clarification. That was a very strange way to answer my question.
Those crossing bells sort of sound like the only down here around Manassas :)
I wonder if they can shut down that number 3 loco from the front unit or do they need to stop to do it?
1:46 That musta stunk!
@TankCrusher210 Thats because there is tons more of them. I've seen many manufactures have problmes before including Alco,EMD,GE, Whitcomb & more. It usually depends on how well maintence is kept up on them
@shadowknight227 Not only the doors, but note the different style trucks...
is it normal on NS that sounding the horn on the lead unit blows up the turbo in a trailing unit?
@OneHalfEmo They are built different years & have different specs like Horsepower & traction effort
@AmtrakCSXRailfan
You're right, white smoke almost always = turbo oil seal blown.
Looks like fog rolled in.Spectacular smoke
@AmtrakCSXRailfan we had a yardmaster we didn't like, we would put on the engine brake under the tower and open the throttle wide open and cover the tower in white smoke like in the video. Old trainman.
With this type of failure, the diesel will 'run away' and self destruct, burning it's own crankcase oil. Shutting it down becomes a major challenge before that happens.
@AmtrakCSXRailfan unburnt diesel fuel is NOT black. it is a light color similar to that of oil smoke.
At first it looked like a head gasket blew and let coolant get in. The 'smoke' colour is right, but someone said it was an oil leak (which would look similar but stink worse). In either case it would be a big tear down job to repair; not something one can do in the field. Best to get home and do it there. It's an engine house job. Notice how the other engines had to struggle more as the 2nd one slacked off?
wow but it pulls and pulls and pulls damn that power is crazy *.*
Neat video, I haven't had it happen on one of my trains yet, wouldn't want it to lol but, I have had to move some oiled up double-stacks from a mainline set-out, to a house fuel rack to get steam cleaned, due to an engine/turbo malfunction. If I was in your position, I'd of been so pissed lol.
shows the airflow around the train pretty well.
Yowza! That is some serious smoke! Bet is smelled nasty! Great video BTW.
Gives new meaning to "The fog rolled in". :)
@ps3dethman1 I would expect to find some sort of shut down mechanism on just about every diesel, but there are a couple of videos where it either failed to operate as intended, or was non-present.
Usually, partially burnt oil produces copious amounts of grey smoke, which is consistent with what I saw in this video.
I figured it would be the exconrail engine that would smoke a turbo. They were notorious for smoking them
they have to walk back but there are walkways on the locomotives so they can do it while moving
I wonder if it was running away (the prime mover, not the locomotive) ?
how do you say 100% blown turbocharger gasket ??
Q: can you close down the individual blown unit from the lead loco in a multi-unit consist like this?
Damn thats pretty sweet! Great video!
Didn´t knew that steam engines got refurbished to look like a diesel!
yea, thats SD-70 needed some work done on her
@iRECKONER You took the words right out of my mouth!
One thing is for sure; there were no mosquitos around after that!
awesome! my uncle worked for the railroad,he got a kick out of this!
The diesel mechanic will be working overtime on that one...