This is an impressive sonata with a gorgeous 'andante' and a moving finale, and it's so free of the bombast of his symphonies. Rather than pretentious, the Sonata seems to find the composer more sure of himself and in his element. I feel privileged to have heard it; I'm just sorry it's not better known. It would certainly be a highlight of any recital, provided the pianist was up to the formidable task!
I'd say this is very Lyapunov-esque. And by that I mean, stop indirectly attributing this music to Chopin and Liszt and respect the genius for that which he is!
Listening through his Transcendentals, for sure gives you the best idea of his "sound", and while I wouldn't take offense if someone uses another reference to make sense of my sound, I will not speak for Lyapunov! He, for a certainty, is not derivative of the other composers he appears to take influence from though, which is something I respect in his music.
Gran bella sonata e consapevolmente personale. Andiamo...non si può sempre citare Liszt,Chopin, Schumann a pretesto.Io per esempio ci trovo molto di Anton Rubinstein.Scusate se è poco.Ottima l'esecuzione. Bell'inserimento,complimenti.
I've been enjoying your channel very much, and thank you for your contributions towards exposing many great composers (Quite a few of which I haven't heard!). I noticed one thing though with Lyapunov, which mostly everyone seems to get wrong; and that is the picture of him. The image you have is actually of his brother and mathematician Aleksandr Lyapunov, and not of Sergei. Again, thank you though!
I was wondering whether or not his picture was correct or not. I ended up banking on his brother having an incorrect picture! Do you know where I can find an actual picture of him?
Hi there. I hope all is well. I was looking a bit into it further, and it is a bit tricky to discern, actually. It's possible that you might have Sergei in the image, it seems. But the thing is, is that since they were brothers, they look a bit alike. However, here some photos of each that are definitively and without a doubt them, and you can see what I mean. Here are two images of Sergei, though he is a bit more older in the two: img.discogs.com/6KnS4Pc4NmO_QPeRkVXQ9Hi6OtY=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/A-901401-1213914029.jpeg.jpg Here is an image with Sergei (Second from the left), with fellow contemporaries (Sorry for the small size, it's all I could find): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Winderstein-Liapunov-Vines-Zimmermann.jpg/220px-Winderstein-Liapunov-Vines-Zimmermann.jpg Here is an image of his brother Aleksandr (where I think the resemblance is quite strong to what you have): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Alexander_Ljapunow_jung.jpg/220px-Alexander_Ljapunow_jung.jpg Now, what confuses me slightly is in the eyes. As eyes don't change much due to age unless it is brought upon by some ailment. The eyes in the photo you have resemble quite a bit the images of Sergei I posted. But also, it looks very much like the photo which I know is absolutely Aleksandr, haha. I suppose it doesn't help that both photos have their marvelous beards. I apologize of this brings upon a bit more confusion than answers. I guess there is a bit of detective work to be done. But I have seen the photo you used to be attributed to Sergei on several sites, so I'm not so sure now. Hmm...
I used to love the other performance... This one is a little bit machine-like. Was the other one made by Anthony Goldstone? Or was it from the Husum Festival 1999 CD?
+f1f1s No clue if I'm completely honest. This one isn't perfect, but I'd say it's far better than some of the other recordings out there. I would like to find what the old video used for the recording.
Those chromatic resolutions are so Liszt-like (Playing the note one half step above the root before playing the root). The only people I see do that is Liszt, and people emulating Liszt. Just lovely!
" Many Liszt pupils felt obliged to inflict sonatas on posterity, partly because of the composers' difficulties in coming to terms with the discipline of their structural requirements, but also owing to the lbrm's expressive potential having been exhausted in the hamonic idiom of the late 19th century." I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
I believe what the author is trying to saying is that - composers of the time felt like it was their composerly duty to have to write sonatas because that was a valid measure (at the time) of their skillz. They also did it to vicariously help out their homeboy Liszt reconcile the form. In other words, Liszt was like "eh, I don't care for all of this Expo/develop/recap business, so I'ma just do my own thang" (which was awesome, because the B minor sonata is GOD). But then other composers like Lyapunov tried their own hand at advancing the formal structures by pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable in sonata-allegro form. I think "Ibrm's" is a typo and the word is "form's"...it's the closest thing I can think of that makes sense. If true, then the sonata form has "said" all that it has to say, harmonically-speaking, by the end of the 1800's.
It. Sounds. Good. Period. This is not “programme” music, it’s not a tribute to the great crusader of oyster’s rights blahhh blahhh. The Sounds are good and they’re original. Isn’t that enough?
The first 3 minutes sounds very Chopin-esque before he takes a turn for the Lisztian and carries it beautifully to the end. A shame this isn't more popular.
I felt the same listening this. My guess is Mendelssohns 'Warum toben die Heiden': ruclips.net/video/87yKXfhJz6E/видео.html Go to 4:16 it definitely sounds very similar.
Since this performer plays better than I do, I am not going to criticize the performance. We should simply say thank you and move on. I hear Moritz Moszkowski influence in this piece - hints of Etincelles and Islamey pop up in the mode changes, rhythmic patterns, and thematic development. I like!
Yes, if we have to associate others with Lyapunov I'd say he's definitely in between Moszkowski and Scriabin. I don't know how people are hearing Chopin and Liszt so confidently, maybe with a few motifs but it's definitely far from those two composers.
Too fast. Cantabile expressivo molto As in, what's the fucking hurry? Please. Now, listen to your self... play this phrase... play it again and the next. Now... listen to the absence of sound. Remember, you set not only the volume but the pace. Listen again to the silence in the room. Then listen to the empty room. Echos of silence. Then listen while the recording is going on. Listen. You are A creator... on many levels. YOU are a creator of not only sound, timbre, tempo, volume, and rhythm but of silence. Not many can create silence or know how to contol it. You are one of these. Are you not?
This is an impressive sonata with a gorgeous 'andante' and a moving finale, and it's so free of the bombast of his symphonies. Rather than pretentious, the Sonata seems to find the composer more sure of himself and in his element. I feel privileged to have heard it; I'm just sorry it's not better known. It would certainly be a highlight of any recital, provided the pianist was up to the formidable task!
One of the most gorgeous Andante movements I ever heard.
How in the world have I never heard of him... Man I learned piano for ages but this sonata is one fine masterpiece. So sad I didnt find it earlier
Nádherna a bravurne provedena
skladba. Přechody z Dur do moll
tonin, kadence úžasné, trilky.
Bravo!!! 👍❤️👌
I hear some of his transcendental studies. This is really Lyapunov
A brilliant work, masterfully played. Thank you for posting.
I'd say this is very Lyapunov-esque. And by that I mean, stop indirectly attributing this music to Chopin and Liszt and respect the genius for that which he is!
for that which he was*
Listening through his Transcendentals, for sure gives you the best idea of his "sound", and while I wouldn't take offense if someone uses another reference to make sense of my sound, I will not speak for Lyapunov! He, for a certainty, is not derivative of the other composers he appears to take influence from though, which is something I respect in his music.
which he is
It really takes a certain type of sad to go round youtube picking up on minor mistakes in people's comments!
@@baileyrob hi i'm the music
Very nice composer. Greetings from CDMX. Saludos.
Gran bella sonata e consapevolmente personale.
Andiamo...non si può sempre citare Liszt,Chopin, Schumann a pretesto.Io per esempio ci trovo molto di Anton Rubinstein.Scusate se è poco.Ottima l'esecuzione.
Bell'inserimento,complimenti.
Wonderful! Thank you for sharing.
I like Nicholas Walker's performance. ❤
Thank you for posting !
Very interesting - I've never heard this sonata before - I only knew Lyapunov's etudes.
I can here his etude no 6 at around 2:30, brings up bad memories of hurt fingers
Magnificent!
Very impressive..
I've been enjoying your channel very much, and thank you for your contributions towards exposing many great composers (Quite a few of which I haven't heard!). I noticed one thing though with Lyapunov, which mostly everyone seems to get wrong; and that is the picture of him. The image you have is actually of his brother and mathematician Aleksandr Lyapunov, and not of Sergei. Again, thank you though!
I was wondering whether or not his picture was correct or not. I ended up banking on his brother having an incorrect picture! Do you know where I can find an actual picture of him?
Hi there. I hope all is well. I was looking a bit into it further, and it is a bit tricky to discern, actually. It's possible that you might have Sergei in the image, it seems. But the thing is, is that since they were brothers, they look a bit alike. However, here some photos of each that are definitively and without a doubt them, and you can see what I mean.
Here are two images of Sergei, though he is a bit more older in the two:
img.discogs.com/6KnS4Pc4NmO_QPeRkVXQ9Hi6OtY=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/A-901401-1213914029.jpeg.jpg
Here is an image with Sergei (Second from the left), with fellow contemporaries (Sorry for the small size, it's all I could find):
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Winderstein-Liapunov-Vines-Zimmermann.jpg/220px-Winderstein-Liapunov-Vines-Zimmermann.jpg
Here is an image of his brother Aleksandr (where I think the resemblance is quite strong to what you have):
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Alexander_Ljapunow_jung.jpg/220px-Alexander_Ljapunow_jung.jpg
Now, what confuses me slightly is in the eyes. As eyes don't change much due to age unless it is brought upon by some ailment. The eyes in the photo you have resemble quite a bit the images of Sergei I posted. But also, it looks very much like the photo which I know is absolutely Aleksandr, haha. I suppose it doesn't help that both photos have their marvelous beards. I apologize of this brings upon a bit more confusion than answers. I guess there is a bit of detective work to be done. But I have seen the photo you used to be attributed to Sergei on several sites, so I'm not so sure now. Hmm...
His harmonic language is perfect.
Reminds me of henselt's concerto in few parts
I used to love the other performance... This one is a little bit machine-like. Was the other one made by Anthony Goldstone? Or was it from the Husum Festival 1999 CD?
+f1f1s No clue if I'm completely honest. This one isn't perfect, but I'd say it's far better than some of the other recordings out there. I would like to find what the old video used for the recording.
I would like to listen to it! I liked the piece, but not the performance.
15:17 Prokofiev sonata 6 mvt 3
Those chromatic resolutions are so Liszt-like (Playing the note one half step above the root before playing the root). The only people I see do that is Liszt, and people emulating Liszt. Just lovely!
Good point, didnt notice
I would like to disagree.
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Many Liszt pupils felt obliged to inflict sonatas on posterity, partly because of the composers' difficulties in coming to terms with the discipline of their structural requirements, but also owing to the lbrm's expressive potential having been exhausted in the hamonic idiom of the late 19th century." I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
I believe what the author is trying to saying is that - composers of the time felt like it was their composerly duty to have to write sonatas because that was a valid measure (at the time) of their skillz. They also did it to vicariously help out their homeboy Liszt reconcile the form. In other words, Liszt was like "eh, I don't care for all of this Expo/develop/recap business, so I'ma just do my own thang" (which was awesome, because the B minor sonata is GOD). But then other composers like Lyapunov tried their own hand at advancing the formal structures by pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable in sonata-allegro form. I think "Ibrm's" is a typo and the word is "form's"...it's the closest thing I can think of that makes sense. If true, then the sonata form has "said" all that it has to say, harmonically-speaking, by the end of the 1800's.
It. Sounds. Good. Period. This is not “programme” music, it’s not a tribute to the great crusader of oyster’s rights blahhh blahhh. The Sounds are good and they’re original. Isn’t that enough?
Очень хорошая ,но мало известная музыка ,а потому не набившая оскомину,как Шопен или Лист!
The first 3 minutes sounds very Chopin-esque before he takes a turn for the Lisztian and carries it beautifully to the end. A shame this isn't more popular.
More like Schumannesque with Chopin elements a bit.
Are the dotted eighth-sixteenths supposed to be played in triplet time?
sonata para piano en fa menor opus 27
ok
Where have I heard this theme before... it's so familiar
I felt the same listening this. My guess is Mendelssohns 'Warum toben die Heiden':
ruclips.net/video/87yKXfhJz6E/видео.html
Go to 4:16 it definitely sounds very similar.
Chopin concerto?
yo asocio está sonata con la tercera de Chopin...
Adan Ayup Chopin le copio a Czerny y a Beethoven
Since this performer plays better than I do, I am not going to criticize the performance. We should simply say thank you and move on. I hear Moritz Moszkowski influence in this piece - hints of Etincelles and Islamey pop up in the mode changes, rhythmic patterns, and thematic development. I like!
Dave Luttinen щ
Yes, if we have to associate others with Lyapunov I'd say he's definitely in between Moszkowski and Scriabin. I don't know how people are hearing Chopin and Liszt so confidently, maybe with a few motifs but it's definitely far from those two composers.
if i had to name something i dislike about lyapunov, i'd say his beamings. they are pretty weird
Liaponuv è bravo compositore che ha preso le mosse da Chopin e listz ,ma non li ha migliorato ne portati avanti sotto il profilo tecnico
Too fast. Cantabile expressivo molto As in, what's the fucking hurry? Please. Now, listen to your self... play this phrase... play it again and the next. Now... listen to the absence of sound. Remember, you set not only the volume but the pace. Listen again to the silence in the room. Then listen to the empty room. Echos of silence. Then listen while the recording is going on. Listen. You are A creator... on many levels. YOU are a creator of not only sound, timbre, tempo, volume, and rhythm but of silence. Not many can create silence or know how to contol it. You are one of these. Are you not?
I have to admit I’m not particularly excited by this. It’s very much just another generic late romantic sonata that is not particularly memorable.
Perhaps you would like some of his other works, which are easier to identify and often quite catchy (Op. 11 No. 6 is a fantastic example)
@@composerjalen thanks. I’ll go listen now!
@@composerjalen you were right. That is really lovely. I will have to scour his output for other gems like that.
@@mateusquasetuga His Op. 11 no 10, and his Op. 18
I dont like it
Ok
Ok
I like Lyapunov, but this piece is a dud.