The Github repositories for That Editor and That Terminal can be found at: github.com/bisqwit?tab=repositories Topi’s RUclips channel (seems abandoned) is here: ruclips.net/user/topimaurola Nowadays he works as a technical lead at SoC department in Nokia.
He sounds _very similar_ to Dr Sbaitso, a digital therapist that came with Sound Blaster Pro sound cards in the early 90s. Compare & you'll hear the resemblance.
That webcam footage of you from the year 2000 is awesome! Somehow feels like an old school nostalgia for me, back when I started using computers when I was a kid
11:56 "The only remaining choice for me was to create my own editor."........ of course. of course.. why would you have any other option you freaking master of programming? ^^
I was a constant user of qedit for C and assembler programming in the 90s. When I made the switch to Linux, I also gravitated toward joe initially, but eventually learned to get really good at vim. I spent a bit of time experimenting with emacs and lisp and scheme but now I'm back to good ol' vim. I can't even remember how to use qedit nowadays.
I still use CTRL+Insert, Shift+Insert and Shift+Delete in Windows 10 because they are easier to type than the regular cut-copy-paste commands when you use the Dvorak layout.
Yes! I found out the same thing. My biggest complaint about Dvorak is that I can't copy/paste with one hand (and that f is in a bad spot for my short fingers). For some reason though when copying from a spreadsheet preview in Outlook ctrl-insert doesn't work to copy.
Having just implemented support for"legacy" Ctrl-Insert etc in an application, I've realized that the main difference is that Ctrl_X scheme is designed for the left hand, while Ctrl-Insert scheme is designed for the right hand.
Ah the days of the Borland Turbo C++ Editor.. before Vi/Vim, that was my editor of choice. After I installed Slackware Linux, I did try emacs up until I found Vim and I've used Vim ever since. Never liked Joe or any of the other editors. Can't say I really tried them once I found my spirit-editor in Vim :P
Horrors of VI. I’d rather use Joe, but that is probably because it is closer to any other editor I used. I somehow never remembered to go into edit mode in Vi. The worst I used was edlin. (But now we are talking Microsoft.)
@@roygalaasen I can definitely see using something because it's familiar. It was the unnecessarily complex and obtuse nature of Vim that was immediately familiar to me as I could see myself in it ;) Then I also learned to use ed on purpose which I'm sure most people who don't have to, never would.
@@redemptusrenatus5336 some users so want that. Emacs doesn't want anything. Emacs user since 2000, never replaced my terminal or email for me, it's up to you to go that path. The beauty is, you can.
that IDE chronology story is same as my story, except own editor :D (I had one own "editor", built with turbo pascal vision, and I never used it in the wild) mutta sä oot kova mies!
I have a project for you. write a shell in asm using templates so as all arguments and returns are not typed. you will have too write your own oop subsystem in asm to acheive this but the end result is the beginning of an undetectable root kit. keep up the great work and thanx for the php paper. I truly hated the idea of learning such a scripty language. your paper has made it so much easier.
“in asm - using templates - not typed” I think you may have a misunderstanding or two somewhere. Thanks for the feedback. (I also received your e-mails.) Your other comment was deleted by RUclips for some reason. See ruclips.net/video/PVlobDyTqeY/видео.html
I use a plethora of IDEs and tools, and I'm always hitting the wrong shortcut key for the wrong editor at some point...It's usually the build/run/debug/step shortcuts.
Very interesting. Speaking of editing and typing, do you have any keyboard preferences? Such as those ergonomically shaped ones? Any favourite mechanical keyboard switch? I wanted to upgrade my $20 membrane keyboard recently and my research has brought me deep into the world of mechanical keyboards...
It seems we both have nearly the same programming language history. Learned BASIC under MSDOS at the beginning of the 90ties. Then switched to TurboPascal, later BorlandPascal and from there to Turbo C++ 2.0 and from there to Borland C++ 3.1...What a journey. XD
I use Code blocks with a personalized theme, my friends say I live in the past xD And that I should use VS code or VS studio. But I still prefer CB ^^ Take it fast, direct and simple.
I wish IDEs/editors today had the ability to select from a great choice of bitmap fonts with all kinds of sizes... it's even difficult to find ones that just support bitmap fonts at all :( anti-aliased fonts look blurry to me so I prefer bitmap fonts (or fonts that look great aliased)
do you know about this? int10h.org/ you can get ttf versions of old text mode fonts in 256 character set (Px437), and extended set (PxPlus) i have the same issue that i find antialiased fonts blurry, and prefer aliased bitmap text. here's a screenshot of my sublime using PxPlus TandyNew TV size 6: i.imgur.com/JOHOJZU.png and here's the fonts i settled with after trying them all: i.imgur.com/UzzplU0.png one for small, medium and large size
I use the rolling “testing” branch of Debian, with some pulls from unstable/experimental if needed. For learning a programming language it depends how similar or dissimilar it is to languages I already know. A reference manual is usually the most important thing, followed by example code.
Instead of writing 8700 lines of configuration files I have written 8700 lines of C++ code to form my editor. Named exactly that, my editor2 (first iteration was not good), i.e., me2. My muscle memory is emacs key bindings. Quite nice to have one binary, no configuration files, and it just works as expected out of the box. Every time. On every computer.
Hi Joel Yliluoma ( Bisqwit) . How many programming languages do you know and use ? Have you tried Rust programming language? Please share your thoughts. I am a huge fan of your programming videos and your programing skills.
Maybe I'm seeing things because I want to see them, but Visual Studio Code uses Ctrl+K by default as a modifier key (?) that waits for another press afterwards. Kind of like Emacs's default Ctrl+X.
Very cool, thanks! I’m writing my own text editor, with an eye on VIM and a design similar to 4coder. What for? Because we are programmers and must make tools with which we have to work for ourselves. If you want to do something well - do it yourself! (: PS: Привіт з України!
1:23 I can only imagine how jarring 80s screen/BASIC editors are to modern viewers. It's completely unlike how any modern editor works. I remember in the very early 90s seeing kids in high school typing out their papers as a huge basic file with tons of PRINT statements (which were redirected to the printer). That's the only text editor a really basic 80s computer had, out of the box! (Yeah, and no word wrap, so type it right the first time! ;)
Hej, we started out similarly :) GWBasic, QBasic, Turbo Pascal, Borland Pascal, ..... I've spent a few years with OS/2 before switching to Linux, though.
@@Bisqwit Yeah I was 6 and I was using a really chintzy little Windows XP laptop. I don't really know how I found QBasic, but I found a textbook for it online and just used it.
9:50 Graphics cards and computers were plenty fast, and if they weren't fast enough plenty of companies sold accelerators to speed up graphics operations, mainly for CAD. Computers weren't slow, X Window and the Linux kernal were just beyond inefficient and rendered machines they were on to be completely useless well into the Pentium III era.
Just curious, why don't you use other text editors like VSCode?. I can understand why a lightweight editor can be beneficial when you are working on raspberry pi, arm processors. But VSCode has tons of extensions that just make your life so much easier.
Also I am learning c++ and I would like a tutorial from you and tips from you . Only know the basics and I love the language very much and you are one of my best channel even if I discovered it a few weeks ago I want to know all the standard Library files in c and c++ My school only teaches us iostream
Thanks! However, the RUclips algorithm likes more interactions (likes, comments and the like), and it results in more views. So it’s better if I don’t outright answer all anticipated questions.
@@Bisqwit books ? the name of the books you learned from ? i know it take years to do this but i really tried to find where i can learn this kinda of stuff
If I answered and told you (hypothetically) that I learned from a book called "Ohjelmoinnin perusteet", do you suppose that answer would be helpful to you?
Would it help you if I told you it was written by Petteri Järvinen and published by Pagina? And oh, it was in Finnish language? Do you see the problem now with your question and why I answered like I did?
The Github repositories for That Editor and That Terminal can be found at: github.com/bisqwit?tab=repositories
Topi’s RUclips channel (seems abandoned) is here: ruclips.net/user/topimaurola Nowadays he works as a technical lead at SoC department in Nokia.
I am looking forward to the release of That Shell and That Programming language :D
@@wilfridtaylor And also That Linux with ThatDE
@@BichaelStevens
That, would be awesome.
+ what editor are you using?
- THAT EDITOR!
+ nevermind, what terminal are you using?
- THAT TERMINAL!
@Pavel Sudakov quickly, trademark BND ( Bisqwit Not Dos ) before he does!
# GNU reference
And That Browser!
That Shell
When trying to find suitable editor:
- Me: google, read reviews, install and try.
- Bisqwit: writes his own editor.
He tried before. If I haven't found one (which is vscode), I would maybe have done the same.
i am the Guy that changes ides all Time
Sometimes sublime sometimes vscode sometimes vim idk i use everything
If I ever become an evil overlord with a secret base, I will get Bisqwit to be the voice of the computer that controls the building.
and danooct1 for the second one
He sounds _very similar_ to Dr Sbaitso, a digital therapist that came with Sound Blaster Pro sound cards in the early 90s. Compare & you'll hear the resemblance.
That webcam footage of you from the year 2000 is awesome! Somehow feels like an old school nostalgia for me, back when I started using computers when I was a kid
"That" Editor and "That" Terminal are the best names for software. Nearly died laughing!
The "Creating a terminal" series was/is one of the best things on your channel. More coding livestreams please!
Who stops the video just to see the complexity of Bisqwit codes?
Merry Christmas
Bisqwit!!
11:56 "The only remaining choice for me was to create my own editor."........ of course. of course.. why would you have any other option you freaking master of programming? ^^
Today I learned that EDIT, a general purpose text editor in MS-DOS, is just a stripped down QBasic editor. :O
*Merry Christmas, Bisqwit!*
I was a constant user of qedit for C and assembler programming in the 90s. When I made the switch to Linux, I also gravitated toward joe initially, but eventually learned to get really good at vim. I spent a bit of time experimenting with emacs and lisp and scheme but now I'm back to good ol' vim. I can't even remember how to use qedit nowadays.
I came here for the main anwser, but the story was so interesting I couldn't skip it!
Oh man QBasic is my childhood. And great video!
Man, you are definitely a legend for me. I enjoyed this video so much.
I still use CTRL+Insert, Shift+Insert and Shift+Delete in Windows 10 because they are easier to type than the regular cut-copy-paste commands when you use the Dvorak layout.
No problem using ctr+x/c/v with Colemak. Vim's default direction keys on the other hand...
Yes! I found out the same thing. My biggest complaint about Dvorak is that I can't copy/paste with one hand (and that f is in a bad spot for my short fingers). For some reason though when copying from a spreadsheet preview in Outlook ctrl-insert doesn't work to copy.
Having just implemented support for"legacy" Ctrl-Insert etc in an application, I've realized that the main difference is that Ctrl_X scheme is designed for the left hand, while Ctrl-Insert scheme is designed for the right hand.
Ah the days of the Borland Turbo C++ Editor.. before Vi/Vim, that was my editor of choice. After I installed Slackware Linux, I did try emacs up until I found Vim and I've used Vim ever since. Never liked Joe or any of the other editors. Can't say I really tried them once I found my spirit-editor in Vim :P
Horrors of VI. I’d rather use Joe, but that is probably because it is closer to any other editor I used. I somehow never remembered to go into edit mode in Vi. The worst I used was edlin. (But now we are talking Microsoft.)
@@roygalaasen I can definitely see using something because it's familiar. It was the unnecessarily complex and obtuse nature of Vim that was immediately familiar to me as I could see myself in it ;) Then I also learned to use ed on purpose which I'm sure most people who don't have to, never would.
The reason you still use vim is that you never worked out how to exit
@@TheBodgybrothers Cute, but no. Vim doesn't try to be everything unlike Emacs which wants to be everything, including your default shell.
@@redemptusrenatus5336 some users so want that. Emacs doesn't want anything.
Emacs user since 2000, never replaced my terminal or email for me, it's up to you to go that path. The beauty is, you can.
0:10 Hey that's me lol
also thanks for answering
I'd love to live in those years when BASIC was popular...
Wow, that answered a lot of questions. Including why it looks like your programming is so perfect. :)
When he said "That Editor" and "That Terminal"
I felt that
Thank you Google
A big shout out to FRONT END developers - write THAT BROWSER!
This is lovely
Thank you so much for this content, we dont see much of this on youtube any more
I love *that editor*
as a 12 years old kid and a backend dev i watch this video so many times to understand. This channel is so cool. God bless you, Mr. Bisqwit
QBasic and Turbo Pascal. I miss those days.
that IDE chronology story is same as my story, except own editor :D (I had one own "editor", built with turbo pascal vision, and I never used it in the wild) mutta sä oot kova mies!
I have a project for you.
write a shell in asm using templates so as all arguments and returns are not typed.
you will have too write your own oop subsystem in asm to acheive this but the end result
is the beginning of an undetectable root kit.
keep up the great work and thanx for the php paper.
I truly hated the idea of learning such a scripty language.
your paper has made it so much easier.
“in asm - using templates - not typed”
I think you may have a misunderstanding or two somewhere.
Thanks for the feedback. (I also received your e-mails.)
Your other comment was deleted by RUclips for some reason. See ruclips.net/video/PVlobDyTqeY/видео.html
I use a plethora of IDEs and tools, and I'm always hitting the wrong shortcut key for the wrong editor at some point...It's usually the build/run/debug/step shortcuts.
Wow you finally put it for everyone to be clear
Every time you announce "that editor" it trips me out and I think somebody's about to run up my stairs LOL
holy sh** I had exactly that same creepy impression. every time I paused the vid cause it distracted me so hard xD
Kids: use Sublime Text
Men: use VS Code
Legends: use Notepad
GigaChads: make their own code editor.
THAT EDITOR!
It's funny that this video was being made since 2017 :D
Yeah. So is the case (long production time with long delays) for nearly every video I make.
Very interesting.
Speaking of editing and typing, do you have any keyboard preferences? Such as those ergonomically shaped ones?
Any favourite mechanical keyboard switch? I wanted to upgrade my $20 membrane keyboard recently and my research has brought me deep into the world of mechanical keyboards...
I pretty much just use whichever keyboard is in front of me, as long as the keyboard _layout_ is not insane.
Borland Pascal was my first introduction to programming. Big shout out to my brother!
It seems we both have nearly the same programming language history. Learned BASIC under MSDOS at the beginning of the 90ties. Then switched to TurboPascal, later BorlandPascal and from there to Turbo C++ 2.0 and from there to Borland C++ 3.1...What a journey. XD
I use Code blocks with a personalized theme, my friends say I live in the past xD
And that I should use VS code or VS studio. But I still prefer CB ^^
Take it fast, direct and simple.
I wish IDEs/editors today had the ability to select from a great choice of bitmap fonts with all kinds of sizes... it's even difficult to find ones that just support bitmap fonts at all :( anti-aliased fonts look blurry to me so I prefer bitmap fonts (or fonts that look great aliased)
do you know about this? int10h.org/
you can get ttf versions of old text mode fonts in 256 character set (Px437), and extended set (PxPlus)
i have the same issue that i find antialiased fonts blurry, and prefer aliased bitmap text. here's a screenshot of my sublime using PxPlus TandyNew TV size 6: i.imgur.com/JOHOJZU.png
and here's the fonts i settled with after trying them all: i.imgur.com/UzzplU0.png
one for small, medium and large size
@@birdbrid9391 it's great that u replied with ur input. it's nice to see ppl doing nice peaceful discussions in the comment section of this video (:
Merry Christmas Bisquit and comment section!
We need to transform THAT EDITOR into THE EDITOR
THAT VIDEO! is really cool :)
Lovely video thank you
I started on a zx spectrum, then Borland, then Linux etc
Qbasic for the win
Bisqwit, which version Debian you use?
And also you, as an experienced programmer, what you need to learn before any programming language?
I use the rolling “testing” branch of Debian, with some pulls from unstable/experimental if needed.
For learning a programming language it depends how similar or dissimilar it is to languages I already know. A reference manual is usually the most important thing, followed by example code.
@@Bisqwit thanks for answering
That
Kiitos videoista ja rauhallista joulunaikaa!
Instead of writing 8700 lines of configuration files I have written 8700 lines of C++ code to form my editor. Named exactly that, my editor2 (first iteration was not good), i.e., me2. My muscle memory is emacs key bindings. Quite nice to have one binary, no configuration files, and it just works as expected out of the box. Every time. On every computer.
Hyvää huomenta.
This guy must be Phineas and Ferb's Dr. Doofenshmirtz(The Evil Scientist)
What a story that was, beatiful
Hi Joel Yliluoma ( Bisqwit) . How many programming languages do you know and use ? Have you tried Rust programming language? Please share your thoughts.
I am a huge fan of your programming videos and your programing skills.
You’re awesome bisqwit! I love your content and you have an awesome accent when speaking English.
Maybe I'm seeing things because I want to see them, but Visual Studio Code uses Ctrl+K by default as a modifier key (?) that waits for another press afterwards. Kind of like Emacs's default Ctrl+X.
How did you record the DOS sections of the video? It's too sharp to be a recording of an actual CRT but I've never seen a CRT shader look that good.
I wrote my own CRT filter for this video.
@@Bisqwit that's awesome it looks great!
Thank you! I have now published the source code of the filter. github.com/bisqwit/crt-filter
Very cool, thanks!
I’m writing my own text editor, with an eye on VIM and a design similar to 4coder. What for? Because we are programmers and must make tools with which we have to work for ourselves. If you want to do something well - do it yourself! (:
PS: Привіт з України!
nobody cares where you are from
Using a text editor to make a text editor.
Seems redundant , but the feeling of using something you made for yourself is awesome!
1:23 I can only imagine how jarring 80s screen/BASIC editors are to modern viewers. It's completely unlike how any modern editor works.
I remember in the very early 90s seeing kids in high school typing out their papers as a huge basic file with tons of PRINT statements (which were redirected to the printer). That's the only text editor a really basic 80s computer had, out of the box!
(Yeah, and no word wrap, so type it right the first time! ;)
You are awesome man 👍
I loved the work THAT EDitOR
I used turboc 3 years ago and it was fricking good. Srsly and also the debug is so simple and effective :D
Merry Christmas to Bisqwit !!!
You had me at xcom
Why, what was your reaction?
Hej, we started out similarly :)
GWBasic, QBasic, Turbo Pascal, Borland Pascal, ..... I've spent a few years with OS/2 before switching to Linux, though.
QBasic was my first programming language in like 2008.
Pretty late, considering that DOS had not been a thing for several years then!
Thanks for sharing.
@@Bisqwit Yeah I was 6 and I was using a really chintzy little Windows XP laptop. I don't really know how I found QBasic, but I found a textbook for it online and just used it.
9:50 Graphics cards and computers were plenty fast, and if they weren't fast enough plenty of companies sold accelerators to speed up graphics operations, mainly for CAD.
Computers weren't slow, X Window and the Linux kernal were just beyond inefficient and rendered machines they were on to be completely useless well into the Pentium III era.
have they become efficient today?
GWBASIC is the best editor/interpreter, you convinced me, thank you! :D
the guy live in 90 years. he don't know about modern IDE. But He is truly a Programmer ;)))
I have tried many editors, including emacs and Jed. But in the end, I always somehow end up coming back to Joe.
Just curious, why don't you use other text editors like VSCode?. I can understand why a lightweight editor can be beneficial when you are working on raspberry pi, arm processors. But VSCode has tons of extensions that just make your life so much easier.
The excuse I gave in the video was “you just can’t compete with 15 years of muscle memory”.
Joe was my editor of choice in high school.
Nice vid. Fun with some background.
Bisqwit your'e awesome!
Basic was my 1st programming language. A Basic tutorial would be welcome. 😁
Thanks soo much
So... In % how much of your time using vim was spent on trying to exit it without killing the process?
Pretty much zero, because the correct key sequence was one of the first things I heard about it.
That was that Editor.
Quick access: 13:48 THAT EDITOR / 13:50 THAT TERMINAL
What about debugging? Do you only use print to debug?
Maybe I should make a video about that too!
@@Bisqwit that would be great!
what editor do you use for your code?
huh
Music used in this video? I love MIDI ports.
The hard part compiling without clver tools like gcc.
Really interesting video... and liked the Background voice
did you create a script for capturing all those screenshots at the beggining of the video?
I captured each of the screenshots manually, but I created a script that creates an animation out of them.
I found that the Borland C editor is not as snappy and responsive as TP7.
atk-tunnit ja paskallin vääntäminen amigalla yläasteella oli
Also I am learning c++ and I would like a tutorial from you and tips from you . Only know the basics and I love the language very much and you are one of my best channel even if I discovered it a few weeks ago
I want to know all the standard Library files in c and c++
My school only teaches us iostream
May I suggest this website? en.cppreference.com/w/cpp
You should have playlist just for "What editor I use"
*_THAT EDITOR_*
You remind me of Terry Davis
You're a legend
"Hyvää huomenta", 16:36.
And just today, at 6:00 (morning), I listened to radio news that began with “Hyvää myöhäisiltaa” (good very late evening).
@@Bisqwit Merkillistä..(mä osaan kylla kin suomea :D. Ja tykkään sun videoista!)
Kiitos!
I have a tip for you: When uploading a video, make sure to tell what text editor you use, so people will know! :D
Thanks! However, the RUclips algorithm likes more interactions (likes, comments and the like), and it results in more views. So it’s better if I don’t outright answer all anticipated questions.
Happy Holidays, Bisqwit :)
What's the color scheme he's using?
From where did you learn to program?
You are so impressive
The right question is not “where”, but “when”. The answer is: 25 years.
@@Bisqwit books ? the name of the books you learned from ? i know it take years to do this but i really tried to find where i can learn this kinda of stuff
If I answered and told you (hypothetically) that I learned from a book called "Ohjelmoinnin perusteet", do you suppose that answer would be helpful to you?
Bisqwit the name of the book is programming basics? That wasn’t helpful at all😕
Would it help you if I told you it was written by Petteri Järvinen and published by Pagina? And oh, it was in Finnish language?
Do you see the problem now with your question and why I answered like I did?
Lovely!
Interesting 👍🏼😮
I wish you nice and happy Christmas days 🎄🎁☕🎊 ;)
Cool video, btw which editor do you use?
Answered in ruclips.net/video/ZMBQmhO8KqI/видео.html
a alternative to joe is fte or efte for run in linux, mingw or cygwin.
How do you animate the walking Mario in the top bar?
What keyboard do you currently use?
Whatever is in front of me. On my desktop it happens to be a Fujitsu KBPC-SX.