SaltEMike Reacts to Quin impressed by the new Squadron 42 Gameplay
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2023
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Mike on his own: I HELD THE LINE WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mike watching this vid: I held the line yeah pretty cringe
To be fair, I think we all get that feeling. When you watched it with all the hype around citizencon and seeing so much progress after years of really slow progress, it really swept you up in the emotion, but when you watch it on its own without all that context it is a bit cringe lol.
Similar thing with his joke about not giving a release date. In the community it's funny, as it plays off the fact he kept giving release dates for things which would make all the devs pull their hair out as they couldn't meet them, so he's clearly learned his lesson. But to people outside the community, it just looks like he's being facetious.
Them talking about the F8 isnt "selling the ship", its two pilots geeking out over the shiny new plane.
Two people in a cutscene talking about maneuvering thrusters isnt gonna sell a ship lmao.
Yeah, I look at it more as some narrative in the game to get you interested in eventually flying the F8 yourself.
Indeed, yes. Pilot chinwags at their best, great writing.
But that's butthurt salty mike to you. Don't be surprised.
I read a lot of sci-fi books and all the female officers are addressed as Sir. I think it's something to do with addressing the rank and not the person although I have been known to be wrong from time to time.
Yeah it is very typical for sci-fi female officers to be adressed as Sir. After you get used to it, you don't even notice. Not until you watch something with like an army guy and they get confused.
You're correct.
I think people complaining about the weighty FPS combat come from much faster, unrealistic shooters like CoD, Apex, etc.
You're not a super human in SC, you're a person, and as someone who comes from those games, it feels like controlling an actual, weighty person.
i'm assuming it's also affected by using your same character model for first and third person. They can't fudge the animations for first or third without affecting the look for both.
Reminds me of Crysis, for good reasons.
Yup, player models and worldview models are same just like Arma/DayZ; I love that. I hate the fake player-view models in games like COD. While well done, they aren't actually in the game and that takes me out of the game.
The people playing are also generally not great at FPS, just like how most pilot gameplay doesn't feature ace pilots.
Maybe. The only problem with games that try to make controlling a human being feel 'real' is the fact that I'm still controlling them with a mouse and keyboard. Humans in real life have options. We can scramble and tumble and dash and do whatever it takes to get us through a bad situation. I think it's okay to make a character move a little more arcade-y to compensate for that.
As someone who doesn't play any twitch FPS games, and the only real FPS game I've played recently is Stalker Gamma, which it is best for the player if they try and slow down their gameplay as much as possible, and be as slow and deliberate as possible - Honestly SQ42 FPs gameplay looks too fast. It's much faster than I'd expect more sim-like combat to be. But maybe that can be attributed to the full-body heavy armor in SQ42/SC, which supposedly at least partially blocks threats. In Stalker, if you're not full blown end-game armor 200+ hours into a playthrough, you're going to die very very fast to a lot of things in the zone if you don't approach fights with caution.
these double reacts 10/10, sir.
He called her sir? Does not compute! Does not compute! Can't figure it out! Too complicated for my brain!!!@!@;;
We need to go deeper and have a triple react with 3 different twitch chats
two streamers and two full chats its like a full congregation of a watch party its a nice vibe
I can barely see what they’re reacting to
Couple Points about Wing Commander 5 and Freelancer: 1. Wing Commander 5 was made after CR left Origin, so he had no hand in it's crappiness. 2. Microsoft bought CR's company during the development of Freelancer and literally Fired CR cuz it was taking him too long and finished the game. They finished without him, so of course it wasn't up to his vision.
I think it's been a long time since we've seen a True CR vision from start to finish... so I'm actually getting kinda pumped to see how it turns out
It's the same vision he's always had. Privateer was Star Citizen 0 but the tech was woefully limited. Freelancer the same, plus the issues you mentioned. This is the first time he really has free rein to go wild. I think he's only ever wanted to make one game his whole life (counting squadron + SC as one). Even Strike Commander was basically just mercenary life with atmospheric flight.
That's OK all that matters is wing commander iii.
I guess something I really appreciate about S42 is the fact that I've watched everything CIG has ever put out about it and I have zero clue what the story is about. Nice feeling compared to most other games and entertainment where I mostly know what it's about before I ever watch or play.
I have a rough idea, but yeah, it's not given away too much, and I don't have a clue where the bit's I've worked out fit in overall.
I would love to see their reaction to some of Tarada's hard flying or the ultimate battle show video. after those I'm ready to go dive into the game. lol
I still think that CIG miss a opportunity by not showing a ship fly from space into the atmosphere and landing on the planet. It like one of the biggest selling points of this game and you leave it out like its nothing important. Plus ship and fps fighting should have been a decent player controlling it, so it would be more immersive for the watcher.
Right like the only thing in the game that consistently works and no footage of it
I was also surprised they didn't show Arc Corp during the star engine showcase.
Yes and no, this wasn't about showing the game off to new people as much as it was for the backers that have held the line for so long. Those of us that know, know. Those who don't can easily look up hundreds of videos of people doing exactly that, flying down and up from a planet or moon
You forget space to atmosphere to ground was 2016… asking cig to showcase something from 7 years ago.
When you get to the planet it’s empty. We want the selling point to be the game not screenshot moments.
@@Eagle6Airsoft but that is a big sale point for new comers to the game because other games can’t fly from space to the planet ground and manually walk out of your ship
24:08 1000% agree. Trailers have ZERROOOOO FUCKING MYSTERY LEFT. Leaves nothing for the viewer to wonder, now of days a trailer is the whole thing condensed into a mini movie
Best part of the video. When Quin paused the video to talk and Mike's chat started with the no pause comments. Mike didn't pause (that time). 😂
Derek Smart and Todd Howard left the chat... with a loading screen!
And a 30k during the loading screen.
A SC player knows what I mean by this.
This video is great, watched it a few days ago. Love watching all these reaction videos.
@5:30 - Clarification: Actual, factual, US Naval Sailor here. That's a UK Navy thing calling female Officers, Sir. Most other Navies actually distinguish between genders (i.e. Ma'am), but the UK had to be different and posh about it. Hence, the "oddness" when us Americans hear it.
Gamers when they don't use deductive reasoning and jump to their idiotic, prejudiced, pre-conceived notions: room temperature IQ.
Gamers who take literally one second to think about it: oh it's probably a customs and courtesy thing.
Love it when Mike calls out chat
I've heard bagpipes are so annoyingly loud that you can even hear them in space. The scottish spacemusic though, it's freaking amazing in that part.
Other companies failed hard at what Star Citizen is achieving and then made out like their end goal was the product you got.
what is SC "achieving" exactly? Flying? Cuz there's no game yet. Its an alpha. Server meshing and all the other sandoworms aren't out yet. What did they achieved? Selling $800 ships maybe?
@@123nicanor
What have they achieved? Let see...
-A brand new engine built from the ground up
-A studio of only a few dozen in beginning to over 1200 in 10+ years
-A type of game that no one has built before, with no load screens and persistent online universe
-New tech that would revolutionize the gaming industry, server meshing. Not "new" but never tried and done the way CIG has developed it.
-No overlords breathing down their neck. Everything is crowdfunded. If it wasn't for us the people none of this would be possible
These are a few and there are plenty more but when people said this was all a scam, they have proved people wrong. Without big publishers' game development is a lengthy process. The vision of Chris and what he wanted to create was bigger then what we even thought was possible. Not saying this couldn't blow back in people's faces but this Citcon they have really given people something tangible to look forward to in the next year or so
@@jingleman31 all these and no one is really looking at star citizen, just another mid video game
Star Citizen is literally creating a wonder of the world.
@@jingleman31 I think some items on your list don't reflect the actual reality of the game's history. Sure the studios were build from the ground up but the engine, while _very_ heavily modified, did start from a preexisting engine so we can't tell how much of the code from that engine remains. No loading screens wasn't part of the original pitch, the original pitch included instances and battle zones and so persistence wasn't going to be anywhere near the extent they are trying for now. Everything is crowdfunded except, like Mike mentioned, the influx of "marketing" cash from some investors years ago and we don't know the details of the deal to know how much sway those investors might have on the project. So far it appears that they are just interested in letting Chris achieve his dream but it could have been far worse.
Chris' vision expanded as the crowdfunding grew. The game pitched in 2012 was majorly changed when seamless ground to space and planetary tech was decided to be added behind the scenes and it set the project back by years in order for them to determine how to achieve that with some semblance of the original pitch intact.
Yes, the game that is being created _now_ is bigger than most people thought possible but there definitely were plenty of issues and delays due to changes that were poorly communicated to the backers who fund the project. I don't think that should be forgotten, because it has caused a lot of negative press (much of it deserved) over the years. Whether they could have had similar success if they were more open about their changing focus and the possible delays it would cause we will never know. It's possible the game wouldn't have reached this point.
The music in the begining always mâke me happy
Its not just Mike Pausing.. now we have 2 people pausing the video.. :D
I mean, we already have key binds for ship power, unlocking/locking doors, engines, everything else. You can interact with the cockpit IF YOU WANT, or you can use key binds.
It’s true, I’ve watched this video a few times + like 15 reacts and double reacts 😂
Survivors seeing vanduul the first time " oh look they sent a rescue team"
I'm betting there's gonna be a free-roam mode where you're picking up volunteer missions and stuff. I'm guessing on those we'll have a lot, if not full free freedom in those cases.
Though, I'm sure if we're in a scripted story/mission, that there will be "Hey, where are you going, come back" lines, and or flashing red screens that say "return to mission area' or "AWOL, Mission Failed".
Given that Chris states that Squadron 42 is going to be this generation's Wing Commander, I don't think volunteer missions are going to be a thing. When the Wing Commander games were focused on military life, so unlike Privateer, they had a pretty linear sequence of missions. At least some of the Wing Commander military focused games made it feel less linear by having different paths through the game depending on how successful you were at completing the missions, but I think those were at the start of the series before Chris really got invested in narrative storytelling.
@Tsudico yeah, I can see it going either way. I'd be happy for minimal, or no 'side quests' cause I'll do em all and take forever to get through the story. I could definitely see the missions being pretty sequential in order to facilitate narrative pace over giving people a bunch of side activities to do. Especially when SC is basically a giant side-quest. Lol
Mike looks so wholesome, waiting for Quin's opinion
Salty mike: "you can control the ship with your eyes BROOOO" BEST COMENT EVER!!!!!
Shows like deep space 9 and babylon 5 prove their points. Lesser known actors that gave it their all combined with some of the most badass stories I've ever watched in Sci fi.
600 mil should be able to hire a hollywood writer
Bring Back Earth and Beyond, and I will cry with Happiness.
"play the video..." lol
he has a pair of like modded Sennheiser headphones
i don't think it will be bullet spongey beyond heavy armor which has always been somewhat spongey, and I think in this demo the dev playing had god mode on, because he gets shot forever and his health hits 1hp and he gets shot more and doesn't die.
20:13 I don't think I've seen Mike laugh harder before lmao
"We have animations"
Let the REACTCEPTION Continue! Do Doc reacting to Asmon next!
Double reacts trumps single reacts 😍
04:24
I feel called out, lol
Gotta say, a highlight of Mikes Video's for me is always watching him slowly lose it with his own chat.
Mike, how would YOU make money for cig ?
Lol, the audio is so manipulated to get goosebump reaction. Don't know what frequency but it is certainly in there. I watched this several times and its on que.
The "hard" enemies in SC currently are a little tanky, but they do have armor. Does need to be tweaked though.
I don't know the manual start might feel good. Car guys i.e. never get tired of turning that key.
Just depends on how they make it feel.
SCOTTISH SPACE PIPES
As a Marine who worked with Navy I've never heard a woman officer go by Sir
Oh fair enough. That’s what I heard, never served. Thank you for your service!
Quin : Just don't be a povo
IT IS MA'AM
No matter how much we want a polished game play experience, that impossible to do in the middle of development. I don't get how this is an ask at this point.
Cosplayers will hate the leg shape of the vanduul
twerk17 watches quin69. what a time to be alive :)
The story will be greatly told, it wont be a unique story, probably similar to mass effect a bit or any millitary vs alien movies in space.
the difference is that i think the script have been written with emotion scenes in it, With lost of important characters probably along the way.
And great cinematic shots delivered by awsome actors... i think the writting, the visuals, the cinematic shots and the actor performance can make this game one of the best sotry driven game ever putting us in a very immersive epic story at epic scale.
I keep having that strange feeling after release, PU will be eventually subscription based.
Why everyone looks the IGN video of SQ42? It is laggy as hell compared to the original one...
it's like Star wars but in reverse
they start with a GAME and then make a culture around it TV and MOVIES i would assume next. CIG could compete with Disney and maybe even make Unique worlds for console vr gamers so they use PU players as transport to get from one game world to the next and they get a whole FPS adventure like Cyberpunk or Witcher or MEtalgear solid
or elden ring
it could become it's own Metaverse
In the Airforce we say Ma'am
Gotcha thank you for your service.
Mike simping for real here lol.
Quinn: breathing is kinda cringe
Mike: you know what? hes kinda right
*dies*
Mike during his normal videos: Relentlessly shits on the game for being unplayable
Quinn: i dont wrorry about performance because like, you just get a better PC and it works
Mike: Trueee king
Lol
I like Mike’s reaction videos because he typically keeps the perspective grounded, but yeah some of these videos hes had some straight up garbage takes.
Yeeaaa, not gunna lie, couldn't stomach the whole video over the sound of Mike choking on Quins balls and tapped out about a third the way through, did it get any better?
I honestly believe that SQ 42 will the game of the decade.
It's so funny to see "Normies" players reacting to these videos.
The thing is, like it happened to me aswell, it takes time for players to REALLY understand the scope of this game and what it wants to accomplish.
Took 25 years for Bethesda to create Starfield... loading screen simulator... think about that.
25 years? Where did you read that? What you probably read instead is that Starfield is Bethesda’s first new IP in 25 years. It actually took 8 years to develop the game, with an updated game engine that they’ve been using for even longer than that. CIG, on the other hand, had to create an engine from scratch for SQ42 and Star Citizen. So yeah, I agree with you except for the 25 year thing.
@@Lexyboogieis a cry engine modified fork
@@Lexyboogiehe's not completely wrong, bethesda have been making games for 25 years, have experience and already a big experienced and veteran dev team. And the engine they used for starfield has been with them for more then 20 years and have been developing and updating all that time, so they already had the tech ready and didn't need to create it. They aren't like Cig who started with 20 devs and created such an amazing engine and even game although not complete in ten years. So technically starfield wasn't created in 8 years
@@royalecrafts6252 HEAVILY modified. You might as well just say it’s brand new at this point with the way it’s been implemented.
@@yous2244 I’m just saying that as far as a single completed game is concerned, they didn’t spend 25 years working on the engine for just one game. I’m not even sure it’s possible for a major studio to do what CIG is doing without financial and dev support from a passionate community of backers. This is highly experimental and forward looking tech we’re talking about here. I don’t even look at this as a criticism of Bethesda. No major studio has the cojones for this kind of risk, nor should they. It’s basically corporate suicide. The fact that CIG has gotten even this far is nothing short of a miracle in my opinion.
I do think they should have brought in someone like shroud to quality test and help them with fps design
Dude at 10 minutes when you mention the use of vjoy with mouse...
One thing that absolutely BLOWS MY MIND is that the bind for Toggle Relative/Vjoy is not assigned by default. It is the single beast thing to happen to aerial/space flight sims, or any type of game, in decades, AND IT'S NOT EVEN BOUND BY DEFAULT! I'd guess 99% of players don't even know about this!
Under Flight - Movement is a bind called sometime like "toggle relative/vjoy mouse control." You can tap it to toggle, or what makes it really good, you can hold it to temporarily switch between whatever is active and the other mode until you let it go. I use this shit CONSTANTLY, and it's the first thing I tell literally every new player to bind before they do anything.
I use a thumb most button for it.
It makes combat with kb/m SO much better then default controls. When I hop in my ship, the first thing I do is tap it to toggle to Relative Mode. This is like traditional FPS controls. You're ship won't turn or pitch unless you move the mouse. This makes take off/landing 1000 times easier. It also makes precision aiming in combat much easier.
Aiming at your target and he flies past you? Just hold that button to temporarily switch to Vjoy (aka Virtual Joystick, which is On by default), then you can drag the mouse and quickly, easily turn without having to lift and reposition your mouse several times to do a 180. Then just let it go, and you're back to Relative Mode, so you just aim like you would in any other FPS game.
It's seriously a crime that they don't have this bound by default. I can't even play other flight games with mouse they don't have this option available.
Of course, some form of joystick is the best!
Im not here for Star Citizen 😂 im here to watch mike yell at his chat 😅
It might be a navy thing too but most importantly its a Star Trek thing.
Where is the reaction videos to this reaction to the reaction?
And I think I already got my money's worth of 45$ only exploring the whole Stanton. I had a blast.
Hello Mike, good video as always. Just one thing you are wrong about, Chris Robert didn't work on Wing Commander 5 but it's true that they used a game engine he was working on and was not released.
I have a reaction to your reaction of this guys reaction.. and that reaction is.. a reaction
5:45
8 year US Navy vet here. Never have I nor anyone I've met referred to a female officer as "sir." It's ma'am.
Yep. Definitely recommending a react to Asmongold's reactions to both SQ42 and the tech demo... And in that order. Because he'd watched the SQ42 trailer first and that then spurred his interest to watch the demo later.
The weird thing about the focus targeting section is that they literally say it's for focusing on hardpoints on larger ships, yet they display it against a fast moving single seater, which it wasn't made for. This is why it looks so shit, it's because it is.
that soundtrack will never not slap.
We're going full meta - watching reaction to a reaction to a demo.
Someone please make a reaction to this reaction.
Over??? 600K bucks yesterday, I will give almost an arm to be that "over"
Is Mark Abent on SQ42? He's probably responsible for the Half Life physics puzzles.
No he is on a bit of everything I think, he was last seen helping with AC shit.
@@saltemikereacts Gotcha, I know he worked on Black Mesa, but I'm sure other devs grew up on Half Life.
"when you poor you eat fast" not when your eating good food bro, I was poor the whole time I was growing up and it sucked but every time we could eat a takeout burger or a slice of Pizza we savored that shit.
"do you remember freelancer?" bro i played freelancer for 10 years: online servers with epic stories
Waiting for Quin to get into the game, get immediately bodied by the first dude he meets in an Arrow or something and then he's gonna bitch and moan... Would be on brand for him...
The player can more than likely be controlled by the fact the player is a military pilot. You can't fly anywhere yourself. And the UEE gives you a mission where the only or a few safe paths are give to you. Because they are the only safe past, or you get 100 missile fired at you.
Still they can do a fade out and sent back to your ship.. or you died screen. But I hope they give us 'real' restrictions. Like if you go away from mission you get marked as going rogue and will eventually be hunt down.
"in the game they realize its empty", yes. But the hype bro, the HYPE!!! I bet CIG will get another 100 Quattrilian Dollars after that CitCon...
bruh im getting 120 fps with a 4070 12gb
I hear you about needing convincing that this is going to be a good game. That being said he has been responsible for what is considered good games of the past. I think Quin is right on here. The reason I get annoyed with all the hate is because we still don't know what the future holds, but the one thing I can say is that they haven't stopped delivering like other games. They didn't just put out garbage and were forced to live with it. They are working on something special. Or at least what I choose to believe is going to be something special. I could be wrong. More importantly I could be right. Game publishers put out garbage everyday. I need to hold out hope that someone is actually going to have a dream for a great game and make that dream come true. It's a golden opportunity for greatness and until I see them fail I choose to believe that it's going to happen.
It will be interesting if SC releases and ship sales just stop. I do wonder what the backlash on that would be.
Talking on bugs and the quality of Wing Commander and those older games, also remember that there were no updates. The games were shipped and they were done. Any bugs or glitches were there to stay once the game shipped
Agree, they should have improved the ship combat footage with better flight controls and used a "pro" pilot for it.
I'm semi-optimistically "holding the line". CIG is at a drastic point turning since its inception, they have surpassed the infant/new corporation status, and are now at the "make it or break it reality". They have survived the 3, five and 10 year mark. If they are able to deliver at least half of what was stated during citcon in the next 12 months, they may actually make it. If not, there are too many case studies to name that prove the break. My hope is, that the testing metrix employed for the overall development of the company will prove viable. My fingers are crossed they actually pull this off. If not another person/company/corporation will pick up where they left off in an almost seamless fashion. Raise a glass for what they have achieved, but take a shot for what the future holds..
Just because we were brought on the journey of actual development people think its a scam. Do people not realize how long it takes time to produce something? I for one am glad I'm here to witness what may be possible since I first saw the ZX80 (yea, that old).
Indeed, Chris is known for pushing the envelop. The Wing Commander series provided so much new tech and experiences. Some of my best gaming memories growing up.
You don't fully seem to appreciate the value of player-created content. Players are content. When I think back to my Wow days, some of the best content I played was player-created. Just the events that are planned or emerge when you have a group of players interacting.
The game looks pretty bullet spongy to me.
I can say I have 2 family members in the military and they say mam to the women
i am 90% sure all the sqadron42 gameplay is just crysis reskinned over nomad's nano suit lol
NMS is a coloring book, Starfield is a cartoon loading screen show, Ed is a microsoft spreadsheet, EVE was the espouse of Adam, then, is just one game STAR CITIZEN!!
"writers are more important than actors" is very much consequential way of thinking. A piece of work only is as good as its' worst part, so is the team is only as good as its' worst player. A good movie can have mid script but fantastic performance, but if SQ42 aim to be the "BEST", it needs everything perfect.
And it is not RTX ON.
CIG: Shoots a guy three times before he dies
Quin: They look bullet spongy
Me: Why do like watching this idiot again?
I like how mike completely misinterpreted the refund redditor laughing at comparing SC to Elden ring as supporting SC and not tearing it down. The message would still be the same either way but its still funny.
Alot of ppls problem with the gunplay seen is its slow. Least that's what alot of fps enthusiast
I love how its funded, I don't give a shit that some people have hundreds of ships at release, not like they will be able to use them all alone anyways.
I want diversity and choice among the ships available and making a ship takes hundreds if not thousands of work hours, those hours need to be paid and the people buying concept ships are not only funding the game overall but my choice diversity of ships so I fucking love them.
54:00 Mike no one gives a fuck about them selling ships, everyone prefers it to shareholders. I swear sometimes it feels more like hes a level headed skeptik and sounds like just a hater, like when he goes ''they cannibalised EVERYTHING'' or ''theres literally NOTHING to do in the game'' like come on bro, you know your clips get taken out of context by youtubers to shit on the game right?
34:00 this is the worst take. Using keybinds to turn systems on and off is one of the things that makes SC feel immersive. Some SC players are using HOSAS + Gameglass + keyboard or button boxes to add more fidelity to pushing buttons. We as a community love good buttons.
42:35 100%. I love the community but a vocal portion of it is filled with the most dense and closed minded folks who will defend their SC Waifu at all costs leaving no room for constructive criticism. After this recent CitizenCon it seems like their ego's got even more inflated again.
I appreciate passion for something but some of them are borderline mental disorders.
It's insane to me that so many people firmly believe the game is actually a scam. Then I smile while I'm having entertaining fun flying and most fun of all, racing, with my VKB's and tobii.
WHAT IS THIS?!?!! I'M HAVING FUN?!? I'M NOT STRESSED AND RAGING OVER THE GAME?!?!?! THIS MUST BE A SCAM!!!😂
Wrong, we never used Sir for Women. -AC1 (AW/SW), USN, 94-10.
Yea sorry just heard it was normal
@@saltemikereacts no worries brother.
I mean if you played the early access of BG3 3 years ago it was also trash almost up untell the day of full reliese
wont lie the guy you are reacting is just dissing the game without playing it. If he plays it, then he can diss it.
They should have hired an actual PVP’er to demo S42 rather than the dev aim demo lol
After watching his react video in the first place, i have to say i am baffled by how many people in his stream are just screaming scam, low fps, shit story. I do wonder what the average age on his viewers is. Granted, SQ42 and SC are not for everyone, it is a niche and in which also age may play a role! Wy bash something if you do not know what you are talking about? It seemed to me that many of them might have been reading titles off the internet and formed an opinion just based on that. What a tunneled vision some people have is just sad, truly sad. The herd spirit i saw in his chat is just sad. I would ask you guys, content creators to put out some polls to check the average age of the SC backer, it might be surprising to many. Other than that, keep it up Mike, i love your take on the project, a realistic approach which not many streamers adhere to.