2020 SHIMANO Twin Power Review and comparison with 2019 Vanquish
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There is a lot of things that got deleted from the video to make it under 20 minutes. I compared it to 2020 Luvias (TP is better in absolutely every category, including resistance and inetria), the old Stradic CI4+ 2016 and some of the other reels. But the video was just way too long and people will not click on a video that is 35 minutes long. But if u have comparison questions between any two reels you saw in this video - let me know and i will reply to all questions
Would the TP be a better comparison to the Certate since both are aluminum frames. That would be a good comparison video.
@@Henry-xh8ec Yes and no, its hard to compare because the Twinpower still has some finesse about it and still comes in finesse sizes, where as the Certate does not. Certate is essentially an aluminium Exist in bigger sizes only, but in those size categories it is absolutely better than the new TP of which I have both in 3 different comparable sizes, its very obvious fishing both size by side that the Certate is the higher quality more refined reel with better tolerances and a feeling almost like air under retrieve, honestly the Certate feels more like a "heavy duty" vanquish than the new Twinpower does. In hand the Twin power is very nice but the in fishing performance can be improved, though for a slightly stronger UL reel is is still a really good option as you cant get a Certate in that sort of size (2500 and up only).
Twin power vs stradic fl and vanford would be nice
I never bought the FL because of the chrome body. I agree that would be a proper comparison but since i dont have that reel and dont plan on buying it, inwont be able tondo that comparison. Vanford however is coming
@@ifishcatfish Vanford should be a good reel and review, many exact parts shared with Vanquish and the other high end shimanos which is a first, though of course not put together with the same precision as Vanquish, will be a good comparison for sure.
Love your work, and the effort you put into your video reviews.
Ordered a TP2500SHG yesterday after watching this video and quit looking at Daiwa Airity, because of the orher one. Thank you for the insights and your detailed analysis. Keep up the good job and keep ‘em coming bro!;-)
thanks for the review cant wait for the vanford review thanks for sharing as always love the comments on using it as a bass reel thanks. like the way you tried a larger handle on the reel also.
yeah, if i ever get into salt, i will get a bigger size of this. No need for Vanquish... this is actually better for that. Same holds for bass fishing. And i don't know why, but my reels happens to be more quiet than vanquish anyway
Took your advice and picked up this reel. Thanks Victor!
great piece of tackle, even for ultralight fishing. Better than Vanford, even for ultralight fishing, although it shouldnt be
bought each of these bad boy. loving them both
Great video.Nice comparison.Conclusion:bought a Stella🤣🤣🤣.Smoothness and power in one.
Good review ! I need a couple of fresh water reels and one for saltwater ( summer flounder ) and the twin power sounds good .
I will be waiting for the Vanford review also for fresh and salt water .
Thnx for the video as always excellent !
its expensive, but man does it feel good. What it delivers is pleasure , not more fish...
Finally i baught the 5000 size , it looks solid enough n yet light for light to first medium scenario games , blue fish/trevallies upto 4 kg , btw nice review as always.
thanks man
Great job. I am first viewer of this video. I got vanquish 2500s i got few Stellas FJ and got Old twin Power c3000 and 4000 pg. I have to Say i love them all but even Old twin Powers amaze me more than Stellas.
you should get the new one too. Its unbelievable. Even with the little extra weight ... it has a super solid feel and is almost completely silent. My most silent reel today.
Great video and super great break down. Really appreciate all the knowledge and time you put into all your videos. Honestly great knowledge I'm trying to order a Daiwa pressor for my pressor rod.
perhaps wait for the new one... this one is already too old..
What website do you use to order your reels and jigs from Japan 🇯🇵? Please advise and thanks in advance
plat.com, digitaka.com , japantackle.com and even ebay
@@ifishcatfish thanks so much your the best. I was able to find 2 pack of bluegill assassin in the .5 gram
I truly appreciate all your insight thanks so much for all your information
these things are amazing. And they are not even expensive, if u could buy them here in Cabelas. Its the shipping that kills ya, and thats why i always add them to other items
I-fish, you and Troutmagnetman were ones of few finesse anglers here I watched and based on for my purchase of this Shimano TP c2000s reel. The low inertia part does not bother me because i bought it for a JDM rod (Major Craft crosstage) for pier and ocean jetty ultralight fishing and the alluminum body and rotor hopefully will withstand some salt sprays. Thanks for posting!
how is your reel? Any imperfections?
@@ifishcatfish I've been out couple of times only for the drive from Las Vegas to southern California is not something to be taken likely and caught i'd say about 20 or so fishes (off season) up to 2lb "guitar" shark and small 7 inches salema( feisty fighters) the TP c2000s was smooth as butter and still is after another 30 or so green sunfish, bluegills, and small carps at local ponds! I'm fishing it along side my trusty 13 Certate 1003 and it's more enjoyable and quiet to use. Not that the Certate is a bad reel, but man the drag sound (you're right)!!
My Twin Power FD 5000 is my go too reel, it shines on the inshore scene. The twin power SW is more of a surf reel. But my FD is soo smooth, an the drag? An absolute work of art. I was going to get a vanquish.. but I might just go Stella Fk which I hope is a very close to the vanquish if not better. I have stradic fk, saltist mq, twinpower sw an twin power FD, stradic SW, and vanford 5000. An by leaps an bounds my TP FD wins every time.
Your command of the English language is superb...and I assume that English is not your first/primary language, however you apply and command it extremely well!
Wow! That's definitely not a compliment i've gotten before.. I'm not even gona comment about it, I'll just take it.. : )
Great video....I'm on the fence between twin power or vanford for freshwater, will wait for vanford review......FYI shimano japan list rotor material as MG (magnum lite, I'm assuming some kind of composite/carbon) for C2000 twin power , all other reel sizes have AL rotor
good catch. I always swap these, did the same thing in the Vanquish video. I gota be more careful. I dont need to change anything in my opinion though. This reel will be better for any fishing where occasional extreme force can occur. Also i wonder if the aluminum body plays a reason why it feels so damn smooth and silent..
what size are u looking for? Vanford will lose another 2 bearings and will have carbon body. For size 2000 Vanford will be better, but for larger sizes I think the TP will be much better and more durable
Great video man. 😊👍
I found the video very good and most particularly the change of handles near the end. When I get this new Shimano Exsense BB 2020( C-3000MHG) I'm going to consider putting on a different handle. What handle would you suggest?
The exsense comes with excellent handle, in my opinion. At least for my taste.
Good Review !! Many Thanks !!!
thanks for dropping a comment bud
My 2013 TP is still same as day I took it out of the box. It takes very little inertia to get it started. I'm surprised Shimano has not reduced the weight of the TP....the model I have....C2000SHG...weighs same as the 2020 model. Good video....
you know... if i didn't have the 2019 Vanquish, i wouldn't talk about inertia or resistance in this video. It is MUCH better than the 2020 Luvias in both aspects, despite being a heavier reel. If u ever decide to get a reel with more muscle - this is it. No need for vanquish. It is actually more silent. I have a lot heavier rods than you, and i will be using it a lot, since it balances well with my rods..
There is almost an ounce difference in weight between your model and the comparable 2020 model. 7 ounces (200 grams) vs 6.3 ounces (180 grams). For a real that small and going to a full metal rotor that is heavier apposed to graphite on older models, that is a substantial weight saving.
Randy, only time will time how long this 20 TP will withstand the moderate use I have in store for it in coming years of panfish and light salt specie chasing, however ball bearings count aside I do believe this reel can be dubbed as "poor man's Stella" just base on materials used and smoothness compared to 14 Stella (a friend's). But the name "poor man's Stella" was dispelled when a thorough review was written by a big game enthusiast, Alan Hawk, on the older model (size 8k and above.) Since then I read Shimano has upgraded a bit with internal gearing.
@@ifishcatfish I also feel the weight difference doesn't spell out to be much because it's almost always being aboard my lightest rod, the Tict rockin' finesse or the MC crosstage 6'9" and those two are not exactly feather-weight so it balances quite well.
They eventually added an aluminum rotor to the Twin Power, for the 2020 version. Site says previously it was carbon.
Whath is the best between this reel?.
Very good review. A few potentially useful corrections: Vanquish body is made of magnesium alloy, TP - aluminum alloy; bail is made of titanium alloy in both reels; TP rotor (main component) is actually made of magnesium alloy in the C2000 series, aluminum alloy is used for models 2500 and up.
Only the last piece is a correction, and you have to get in line if you want to make it. Ten other comments below pointed it out
@@ifishcatfish no need, was trying to do some good, don't really care, enjoy your posse of followers
derogatory comment about my subscribers. Go watch something else. I am not going to delete your correction comment but will be deleting everything else from you.
@@ifishcatfish fwiw, "posse" isn't derogatory and wasn't intended that way. in the heat of a morning, mistook your comment for rude remarks, but did mean well.
This Russian is a soft liberal lol
I picked up a second hand 2500HGS JDM edition Vanquish that had done little work a little while ago and picked up a 2500 Twin Power yesterday. The Twin Power is far quieter but I'm also thinking the head bearing may need replacing in the Vanquish.
Both reels feel fantastic regardless 👌
what is a head bearing?
@@ifishcatfish one of the bearings inside the main housing, it's on the spool shaft. Could just be different terminology that we use in Australia
Just discovered your channel. Excellent. Do you have the diameter of the spool lip between the Shimano and the Daiwa 1003? My impression is that the Daiwa has slightly larger diameter and width in the line lay. Is that correct? Thanks. By the way, I am still using Daiwa year 2007 Luvias and Presso 1003. They have beautiful bright pinging drag sound. I have a lot of fisherman ask what I am using the the drag runs. I wonder how the Presso LT and the Twinpower 2020 sound in comparison. Also, do you know if the Vanford spool is actually longer stroke than the Vanquish?
Daiwa doesn't always have bigger spool, only the ABS spools are wider. U have to check the specs on each reel to see if they have ABS spool. Presso , Presso LTD and Theory have ABS spool. A lot of old daiwas have the ABS spool, but i have not seen any new daiwas with that spool. All LT reels have the small spool, including the new Luvias and all Daiwa Tatula versions.
I will have the vanford reel tomorrow
2 great reels good video friend 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Thank you 👍
I purchased the Vanquish 2000 and the Twinpower 2000 at the same time and sent the Twinpower back in a heartbeat! The Twinpower is heavy and the inertia is way higher than the Vanquish. Don't get me wrong, the Twinpower is a nice reel but feels like a small saltwater reel. I'll stick to my Vanquish and Vanford 2000's for Trout, Panfish and small bass.
I even prefer my 19' Stradic 1000 over the Twinpower for half the price. Just my unbiased opinion.
Do you drop sho if you do what reel size you use I was wondering if you can use a Lavias Airity LT FC 2500 or is the 3000 be perfect for drop shot
i drop shot all the time, but for perch and crappie. I use 1000 size, but 2500 is fine too
Just found your channel yesterday. SUBSCRIBED. Excellent coverage. I would LOVE to see you do a comparison between the Vanquish and the Vanford in the same size. I know that the Vanquish is slightly lighter but Vanford is about 1/2 the cost. I'd also like to know if there's a Japanese version of the Vanford with shallow spool. Thanks.
the Vanford I got is the 2500 size. I got it because this was the only size available. I will get the other size later
@@ifishcatfish Thank you! Looking at the photos, 2500 size and up does have the longer stroke spool. However, at least on the Japanese website, the size 2000 and below does not look like a long stroke. I hope I am wrong because I think that the long stroke is a real advancement in casting distance. Thanks for taking time to reply. Excellent site.
Long stroke is not a big deal. And in ultralight reels casting distance is not important. Weight however IS.
@@ifishcatfish I appreciate hearing your thoughts and I definitely don't feel like I am debating you. With that, I note that for me, both weight AND casting distance is important. I build sub 1.2 oz UL rods (proprietary techniques and will be working on a sub 0.9 oz rod in a month or so that performs like a 6' rod.) and there are times when casting distance means catch or not catching a fish. So I want both but I don't want to pay $400 for a reel or I would have picked up the vanquish...:) I am intrigued by the 500 Vanford that comes in at 4.9 oz. That could beg ideal for ultralight braided lines which is less sensitive to spool size for casting distance.
that's fair. Actually casting distance can be important. I think for these saltwater anglers it is.. The way we fish around here is just lob it 30 feet out.. The long spool is something of a marketing gimmick though. In theory it improves the outgoing angle with the spool lip, but then shimano puts bigger spool lip than daiwa to keep the line and the advantage is all but gone. They put some number for improvement of long spool vs non long spool.. and perhaps if the spool has the same lip it will have that small improvement.. but i doubt it will have it compared to Daiwa. Daiwa just moved the lip further away, instead of increasing the stroke. Anyway, i don't think in a blind test a human can tell the difference between long stroke and regular spool. I should make one video just for that..
I_ fish is it just me or is the twin power spool much much shorter than the vanquish? I thought the twinpower came with the long spool. Are both these reels the same size? The twinpower spool looks tiny compared to vanquish.
They are not the same spools but they are the same size. The 2000 vanford spool is small too
I am confused by the combination of two factors: the MGL carbon rotor which is asymetric and aluminium rotor which is symetrical.
I read that asymetric rotor gives an extra "30% stability". As far as I understand this is the main difference between Twin Power XD and FD.
When the target fish is pike, which of these to rotors is an advantage?
you don't have a choice of rotors. The 1000 size comes with MGL, the biggers sizes come with aluminum. Aluminum will always be stronger, regardless of design
Thank you , the rotor on 2000 is magnesium
Buona sera ho la Evergreen salty vide receiver 73...se mi po aiutare?quale mulinello scegliere?per la pesca marina.. Grazie vanquish?twin pover fd 2000s?
I don't know the rod, but if u cast lures up to 3 gram, buy vanquish. If u cast lures 4 gram or more buy twinpower
I wonder how this stack against the Daiwa Certate? If you where to chose ? Which one do you think is better?
They are both great and its different to pick one. I personally prefer the feel of this one a little more, and i like the line lay better, but the Certate looks nicer. I would get whichever I find a good deal on.
How do you like the shallow spool on the TP? Can it hold a good amount of line for good casting distance?
Any spool, shallow or not, will hold much more line than u can cast. The only reason people buy shallow spools is so they dont fill the bottom of the spool with line.
Can you explain me the meaning of " roughness ", " inertia ", " rigid " and " resistance " in fishing reel? I'm a newbie, thank you
I am using all of these words in their most common and popular meaning. Just look them up in some dictionary if english is a second language.
Hi Victor, I couldn't find a video about Spheros SW in your video list. I was wondering how it feels and comparison between Stradic CI4 or twinpower and maybe vanquish :) what would your opinion on that reel when it comes to cranking power, noise, smoothness, and feels. I love your comparison videos and comments on the reels. to me total unbiased and detailed. Thanks so much.
I have never owned or even tried one of these and i can't tell u much. From what i have seen on videos it is a cheaper stradic, but on the new one some of the drivetrain bearings were missing (main shaft i believe). The new stradic FL is so good that if i want a strong reel for saltwater i would probably go Stradic FL. Nasci is a great reel too and has all the right bearings. I would probably pick Nasci if budget is issue, and if i can afford the Stradic FL will get the FL, but thats just because i would be leaning on my own experience vs unknown : )
@@ifishcatfish Thanks so much for the quick reply, I had owned Nasci. It has no worm gear and the line lay was terrible like an hourglass. I am asking Spheros because it has the worm gear and way cheaper than the FL. and I don't want to buy a chrome colour reel :) the biggest problem there is no place to try before buy here :)
I hear u about the chrome. That would stop me too actually. But the line lay on my nascis is pretty damn good, and i have 5 of them. U dont have a shimming issue, do u?
@@ifishcatfish nope, it is not shimming problem since it warps more on the bottom and the top at the same time, you cannot fix that problem by adding or removing shims. it was a pretty common issue, maybe it is a manufactured series issue. they may fixed it after addressing the issue. I searched a lot, the best thing is warping the belly section manually :) but it is so stupid :) It is shimano, please. :)
I gots tell u, nasci and sahara is my favorite reel under 150. Same gears same smoothness as aluminum stadik fk
How would you compare the TP with the Stella FJ? Some people say the feel is no different.
the feel is different but very small difference that most people cannot even detect. Stella is worth the price only if u make 200K a year
Nice video, what is the rod you use? I have buy a st croix legend elite 76mlxf2. I m think compare a vanquish c2500s or 2500s..
What is the best do you think?
Thank you
is there a Vanquish C2500S? If so - i would recommend it. C stands for compact, but in reality they use the body of a smaller size reel, with spool and rotor of bigger size reel. But since for panfish u don't need power, and the bigger spool really helps with casting and keeps your line less curly... I like it. 2500S can be a little big for panfishing.. even though it is very light, but just looks big and awkward
The rod in this video is St Croix Panfish Elite. I LOVE that thing. Feels AMERICAN
@peter what did you got in the end? Need a new reel too for the same rod.
Might be a silly question but here in Australia the closes model they sell to this is a 2500 and it doesn’t have a c or s in the name like c2000s do you think there would be much difference between the two, it has a 9kg drag rating and 5.3.1 gear ratio
there is a different rotor, aluminum instead of magnesium. Drag may be a little different. But body, gears and the rest of the drivetrain will be the same
@@ifishcatfish thanks for that do you think that the 2500 would still be better then a luvias?
Really appreciate it.
Hello there. Thanks for your video. I've got one question, could you please assist me with the choice. Will be any diferences if i buy Vanquish instead of Twin Power or not. The vanquish much expensive, and it's very light, i mean it looks & feels like toy. I heard there is no diferences between them except price. Sorry for my english. Thanks once more from Kazakhstan.
There is a big difference between them. Vanquish is finesse, good for small fish. Twinpower is strong, good for fish over 1 kilogram.
Nice review! Up to what weights is it recommended to use on both reels?
Good question. In all honesty i have never used any of them with more than 5 grams. I think a few more grams will be fine, but if I hit 10 grams, i would use a 2500 size reel. Not that these reels cant reel it, but for longevity of gears i prefer not to overload them
@@ifishcatfish and your thoughts on the Vanquish C2000S possibilities?
The same. They have the same gears.. TP has aluminum body which holds the gears in place under pressure.. so for saltwater ultralight fishing i recommend TP usually, just because u constantly hooks jacks and other stuff that can really run when u fish saltwater. But for freshwater i prefer the light vanquish.
But back to your questions, you are asking about weight of lure, not fish, and lure is retrieved only with the gears, which are the same in both reels. Even then... if you want to go fish with 10 gram lure only for a weekend on some new lake - there will be no problem. But if you want a designated setup for 10g lure i would go with 2500 reel and ML power rod
First,I will say I love your reel reviews,you are right up there with Tackle Advisors for my favorites but neither of you mention the affect the main gear shims have on the gear lash/interface. Nobody mentions the difference in these shims in /within a production run of reels. I don't know why one Stradic will have one shim and another two (for example).
In my experience Penn over shims the main gear. Shimano ,some times.
Just sayin,do you measure the shims?
sorry, bud, i do not open expensive ultralight reels. I have opened all of my big baitcasters, even though they cost 500-600$ MSRP, but the ultralight reels... maybe i am doing something wrong, but after i open them they don't feel the same. The new reel feel is gone - like a new car smell - never to come back.
The reel will have ever-so-tiny free play - exactly as much as in the Vanquish. In my opinion shimming that last free play will increase the resistance. It is like taking the free play on the spool on a baitcaster. If u have absolutely no free play - u have too much resistance. I know TA opens all his reels, but he has more experience than me, A LOT MORE, and he probably knows how much torque to put on the screws when he closes them. For me - the UL reels don't feel the same after opening them, and i don't mess with them until time for maintenance comes. If u hang around for 2 year, i will have to open this reel to grease it, and i will show u more
I did not mean to criticize your review in any way,I love them!
I was just asking if you had any opinion on the shimming.
I guess the answer is.no???
I do, but can't comment on this reel. But on UL reels with super low resistance... it is difficult to remove free play completely without increasing resistance. On bass reels or anything else - shim it if u can
some reels have more shims due to tolerances not always being perfect. there is three main parts to a reel when it comes to drive gear tolerance the stem body, the sideplate, and the drive gear. even CNC machined parts will never have the exact same dimensions unless extremely advanced machines are used. because of this some reels will need more shims than others to achieve the wanted tolerances.
Great, honest review 👍🏻, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Very helpful many thanks , tightlines 🎣
thanks for dropping a comment!
You're welcome, however I have a dilemma,please advise.......should I buy a TP20 3000 or a Diawa Certate 19 3000 for my ML set up?Your advice would be greatly appreciated 👍 tightlines 🎣
@@devonbassangling TP20. My recommendation without any doubt. My TP 2020 is the best reel i have ever touched. People say on paper Certate is just as good. I agree on paper it is. But the ones i have personally touched... TP felt better than old stellas. I am not willing to argue about this though. If u dont agree just buy certate.
@@ifishcatfish Thank you,honest answers appreciated and your experience respected!So you have helped me to decide👍my decision is to buy the TP,this is based on your videos and it is easier to service yourself when this time might arrive,they are both similarly capable but I also just prefer the look of the TP.I'm a Bass angler👍🎣many thanks and I look forward to your next review👍perhaps your fav' medium light rod ,stay safe🎣
PS , Berbetov was the best ever skillful player for Man Utd 👍⚽🎣⚽
I bought the c2000s. It was fantastic
Before or after my review
@@ifishcatfish Was about to buy the stradic FL after watching your video I ended up with the TwinPower.
Good review, watched it all. How would you rate Nasci,TP, and Stradic CI4 (3000) for inshore and jetty as well as fresh water bass fishing. I currently have a barely used double handle Nasci. Thank you.
Nasci is really really good. It is crazy value at 100 usd. TP is a little better than nasci in everything - smoothness, free play, quietness.. but it is all marginal improvements. Nothing is night and day. I think Nasci is just as good as CI4+ stradic, because they use exact same gears. Nasci is obviously heavier, because it is thick graphite instead of carbon body, but for Salt... i would rather use Nasci. Nasci is a great reel. I like it much more than Daiwa BG.
@@ifishcatfish thanks for the response, I am into value. I paired it with a Fenwick HMX. So unless I find a super deal on one of the others, I think I will stay with the Nasci for now. 😎
What size Vanquish uses carbon drag washers instead of felt?
4000 for sure use carbon, 2500 use felt, but im not sure about 3000. I think the japanese website says that.
i like it TP 2020 my dream reel budz
if u do a lil bass fishing or a little salt - as u seem to do - this is better than Vanquish
@@ifishcatfish yes i'm doing salt water fishing
What is your recommendation for the best lake trout reel paired with an ultralight/light & fast rod?
The best? Vanquish is the best reel. For sure. But u don't really need that. Also I don't know what the best rod is. Too many good rods - can't try them all. Watch my daiwa presso reviews - rod and reel. Those are great. Nobody needs the best... even i don't always use the best. I love all of my tackle. I buy all of these because i want to make reviews, but a daiwa legalis reel and daiwa presso rod is good enough for me
Great review Victor.
Like you, I buy extra handles for my reels. I dont understand why both daiwa and shimano put such short handles on their low gear ratio reels. Come on, who wants such a short handle. You get no torque when turning that short handle. The minimum should be 45mm long. I do not like these 35mm or 40mm handles. That seems to be a trend with JDM reels.
So now I have to spend extra money to get a decent handle for my already expensive reel.
I felt the same way, but when u get to use them.. u get used to it. I still can't make my mind on this one. If it was a Vanquish, i would probably go with the short handle, but it is not, and the long handle makes all resistance just MAGICALLY GO AWAY, and i think i will settle on the long one. Hey - these short handles sell for A LOT OF MONEY on ebay - i dont think i will lose any money replacing the handle..
I’d love to hear your opinion on the TP v Certate LT.
I had both in the larger sizes and sold the TP mainly because I’ve become a Daiwa fanboy!! I would be interested to see what you think of the smallest size certate LT v TP.
Cheers
I have played with Certate LT, but don't own one. It is very close, but this reel is better in my opinion. But it is also more expensive. I am surprised u sold it. This thing feels absolutely amazing. I can't believe someone who tries my reel will ever sell it. OK, for ultralight fishing.... there is a little bit of resistance... but for everything else... i think this is the king, so long as u dont talk about Exist or Stella
For the type of fishing I bought both of these reels for the Certate just felt a little bit more powerful.
I’m from Northern Australia and bought both in a 5000 size for light off shore chasing medium sized pelagics and reef fish.
In my opinion the Certate lt 5000 is a slightly heavier duty reel compared to the TP 5000. Perhaps it’s the oversized main gear that achieves this. I have no experience in comparing between the smallest sizes for light tackle as you have. Perhaps the TP is more of a finesse reel compared to the Certate?!
Also thank you for the response, I’m enjoying your content. Yourself and Tackle Advisors are my favourite channels for tackle reviews. Keep up the great content 👍🏼
When did u manage to buy TP and already sell it? It just came out! Are you talking about the old one?
Definitely the 2020 model (Twin Power FD)
It’s been available from Japan since about May/June and it’s been in Australia since then too I believe.
I ordered a 5000 size in July from Japan, had 3 sessions with it and sold it recently as I’m happier with my Certate LT. I found the Certate easier under load with big fish. (Same gear ratio for the 2 reels)
To be honest though I prefer the sound of the TP drag clicker, but otherwise in a 5000 size I prefer Certate.
What line do you have on the TP 2000S? How much braid can fit in it?
Ie. Can you fit 6lb braid 150m?
I have 2 lb Polyester line. Varivas. I have many a video on my channel talking about this line.
I dont know how much braid it will fit - just check the specs. Capacity is not important to me as i only use about 50 meters..
@@ifishcatfish ok thanks.
So even though this TP has metal rotor the turning inertia requires less effort than a Luvias?
TP has a metal rotor in all sizes but the one i have. My reel has the carbon rotor. A little confusing but true. But the answer to your question is yes, definitely less resistance than the new Luvias
@@ifishcatfish thanks.
So are you saying the C2000S had a carbon rotor?? Hmmm interesting
correct. The C2000S has the carbon rotor (Shimano calls is MGL). Every other model has the Aluminum rotor.
HI, thanks for sharing your thoughts. But these reels are of a different size, it's difficult to compare this way, isn't it?
By the way, Twin has magnesium rotor in the 1000 size category. This info is on their official website.
I agree, they've don amazing job with Twin. Now I am considering option for light spinning rod (up to 15 gram) and wasn't thinking of Twin, but when I tried 2500 size I was amazed how close it gets to Vanquish. Yes, the difference is there bun not so much as it was in 15 Twin model. Haven't yet decided but the fact I am considering Twin for light fishing is fairly amazing already.
it is difficult yes, especially if you don't have enough reels of both sizes. I do. Today my opinion is just the same, this twinpower is just as good, if not for the resistance and inertia. But 15 grams is a pretty big weight, so it makes no sense to even talk about resistance and inertia in your case. You would get 0 benefit from from Vanquish. Vanquish makes sense only for pairing with exotic Japanese Super Ultralight rods that weigh like 47 grams and demand the best.
@@ifishcatfish thanks for advice! Actually I have a Japanese rod, Yamaga Blu Current TZ/Nano 72 model with casting rage from 1,5 through 15 grams. The rod weighs 70 grams. They wee too optimistic about 1,5 grams being an acceptable lure weight, but it’s comfortable to use this rod from 5 grams of all lures: metal, soft or plugs. I don’t have Twin yet, but I’m worried about it being able to feel these lighter lures(5-10g.), especially in HG specification(I prefer gas reels, for rivers even more so). Difference in reel weight is considerable as well - 165 and 210 grams in 2500 size that I’m considering.
On the other hand Twin can as well be used on some heavier rods with lures up to 25 grams easily.
i dont even see the point of making 2500 Vanquish. For big and heavy tasks u can use Twinpower if u want power and durability, and Vanford if u need light weight. Vanquish is only worth the money for the purpose i described above
@@ifishcatfish well, you have some point here. But Japanese use bigger sizes for sea bass and even light jigging.
Being honest, what makes Vanquish a weak reel? Nothing. It still has metal foot and reliable gear. It’s more powerful than fully carbon Vanford. So, when one likes the lightest setup - Vanquish is the way to go. But I am with you, in 4000 size I’d go with Twin instead.
Weak?? Who said its weak? Its still the best. If you want to cough up $500 - can't beat it. I was saying that twinpower costs much less and feels just as good, except for weight and resistance
For perch fishing do you think vanford is just as good if price dosent matter wich would you pick in 2000s size
*swedish perch fishing
depends on the rod, if price doesn't matter. I have exotic rods that don't feel good with heavy reel. I have cheaper rods that feel good with heavier reels. Actually even my Soare XR feels good with heavier reels. Depends on the balance. I want my combo to feel good. Perch doesn't have special requirements
@@ifishcatfish im gonna put the reel on a shimano expride 4 to 12 gr
@@smoe5584 then twinpower will feel better
Meet me at lk st clair this spring will go out on my boat and practice some ultra violent hook sets on some giant smallies 🤣
well thats too far from me but thanks!
So hard to decide... I ordered the Vanford right now, but I read some meh stuff.. I am a Dutch bass fisher. All carolina rig 1/2 a ounce at max. What should I do?
First of all, Vanford is not 'meh' - its a great reel. The only way not to be happy with the Vanford is to have the Twinpower or the Vanquish. Normally i would say Vanford is good enough, but because you fish heavy stuff (half an ounce is pretty heavy), i would stay if you really want the best, go Twinpower. You will need the extra strength it has compared to the Vanquish, and will enjoy the perfectly silent operation. But if you go with Vanford - have no fear - still a great reel.
@@ifishcatfish Thanks for answering, and I shouldn`t say meh indeed. It`s just that there`s something better. That`s why I went with the Vanquish 2500s. Hopefully that`ll be a good decision. half a ounce is kinda max what I fish. Most of the times it`s 1/4th of a ounce 5g bullet + 2g bait. I`ll pair it with the Poison Adrena 276m-2 :)
That will be amazing rig. I have the exact same model. That thing is the best
@@RedGalaxyFishbone for that long a rod and bass fishing.. the twin power would have been my first choice. Aluminum rotor is better for bass hooksets. Also that a long rod that will balance better with a heavier reel.
@@ifishcatfish Yea I do prefer a bit smaller reel really :) Before this I had a 7ft Westin W6 with a Caldia 2000s. And I liked it really :) I tried my brothers Certate which was 215 grams as well, since the Caldia is really light as well. I noticed the weight improvement from the Certate. Thats why I went for the Vanquish really :) It`ll be mostly Carolina rig anyway. But I do like the Twin power alot!! I might get it next year. If the rod is really unbalanced I can still return the Vanquish tho :) I love the chat really! Thanks for answering!
Brother Victor! I need help! After seeing your video, I made the jump and bought a c2000s. Then after watching your soare video and trying out my brother’s, I went ahead and ordered the Soare x tune 76ult. I’m xcited to get it, but want to upgrade my c2000s handle~ Do you know if the handles on the bigger 4000 and 5000 twin powers fit on our c2000s? Do you know of other model handles that will fit the c2000s? Also, you mentioned you have a ton of handles, where do you order your handles from? eBay has the 16 vanquish for 120, which really hurts…
Oh also, scanned over 100 comments but only saw comments praising the handle switch. Didn’t see anyone with the same questions. Sorry if I missed the comment if it was in there already.
whats wrong with the handle?? Why do u want to replace it? Keep the handle, don't be silly. The handle is fine and that reel is perfect for that rod. Don't mess with it
I thought the original smaller handle gives the reel more resistance to the reel? I was hoping to have a reel with no resistance or inertia. This will be my first high priced reel~
@@iwill1704 I got used to tiny handles now. They fit ultralight reels better. I would swap my handle for yours, but that would hurt you. Trust me, keep your handle and enjoy it. You have a great combo!
Sounds good brother. Will trust your advise and fish with it first to see how it feels~ Will report back after a few months of fishing~
Daiwa the beast reel,long rezistence,and shimano pay brand
ok
Why no link to your Amazon store to buy it? 😉
well here u go: amzn.to/2Fd98Qu
but if u buy on digitaka u save $30, even after shipping
I will add in description though.. things change
Is Vanquish 4000 good for big bait fishing ?
i dont know what that is, but its good for everything
Good night!
Which do you think is best? Twin Power or Soare ci4???
Twinpower of course. Soare is build on the Stradic platform, which is cheaper
@@ifishcatfish thanks!
@@ifishcatfish in your opinion, Shimano Soare ci4 is a good option to buy at the moment?
No.
I would think that long term, the Twin Power would out last the Vanquish no?
probably a safe bet... where the two reels are different, the twin power is actually stronger
i_fish I’ve been saving up for the Vanquish but looks like I might switch gears and pick up a 2500SHG Twin Power instead haha!
if u double duty the reel for bass as well - I RECOMMEND the TP! Longer lasting, and I kid you not - my TP is more silent than my Vanquish! I recommend low gear ratio models only though : )
about the only turnoff with the TP is the weight… 30 extra grams is a lot when you are casting all day…
i would agree with that assessment 100%. That's why at the end I sold mine. As perfect as it was, i knew i wasn't gona use it when i have much lighter reels. But my god, was it perfect!
Where are you from mate?
Nice review
Bulgaristan
@@ifishcatfish I was pretty sure because of the accent! Only we Bulgarians have this type of accent! I am also from Bulgaria 😂😂! Keep up with these good reviews!
100% AGREE FELT IS BETTER
Big ups
How would one remove grease from the guts of a reel? Complete tear down with brake cleaner, qtips. What grease from shimano are you speaking of? The drag grease sold on Amazon? (There was only one fishing reel grease I found on Amazon). Have you tried the daiwa reel lube grease (blue), which I did use in my daiwa bg after dunking it in saltwater. People, it’s not the salt that gets you, it’s the sand!!!
Brake cleaner works very well, but it is toxic. Also, some parts have rubber rings on them that server as a dampener (on the line lay bottom and top point) - those parts should not be touched with brake cleaner. I also use Qtips, but u have to be careful about leaving hairs on the gears.
As for grease, i have Daiwa, Shimano, and Cal's grease, and have not settled on one. They are all great, but not sure if they are the best for UL fishing. Seems like all of them are too strong. I think only Oil is used on felt, and i actually ordered some felt oil, but i haven't tried it yet..
The salt... it is definitely the salt. THe sand is too large to make it into the reel. The salt becomes acid dust inside your reel
i_fish I have no idea why I said brake cleaner, along those lines. Because I am in IT, typically I will use electronics cleaners and usually 99 percent alcohol with microfiber towels. Instead of qtips, I sourced these for my team, when we need to clean the thermal grease off processors. Leaves nothing behind: especially important when a Xeon gold processsor can be 4000-6000 dollars.
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The small cone shape ones are very good for holes and crevices.
I believe the one weak point for sand is the bail mechanism, which makes sense since it is exposed. I still have to learn about sealed line roller mechanics and who does what, and when.
i use brake cleaner if the part is purely metal and has no coating. These particular gears have coating though
I just wanted to add. If anyone wants isopropyl alcohol, buy from mouser.com and buy mg chemicals. It’s priced at msrp and it is not denatured alcohol which leaves behind elements from the denatured process. Keep in mind 99 percent is very flammable!
You just have too much knowledge! And know about the small details.
Man, everytime i want to buy a reel, watch your reviews it makes me think twice. 😂
Twinpower 2500shg? Vanquish 2500shg or daiwa luvias airity 2500xh? Or a vanford 2500?
for 2500 size all reels feel good. Only the 2000 sizes have issues. Buy whichever u find a good deal on, or whichever looks good with your rod. They are all worth the money
@@ifishcatfish standard prices, 200 euro for vanford, 360 euro for twinpower, 380 euro for vanquish and 520 euro for luvias airity through import from Japan.
I want something durable, light yet strong. Drag smooth ofcourse. Will be used for perch, zander and sometimes pike as they cannot be avoided.
I will be using it for finesse fishing like carolina rig and hard baits up to max 10g
Based on your experience, what comes in your mind?
U dont need anything more than Vanford for that. If you use long rods as everyone in europe does, you dont even need the Vanford as long rods dont feel good with light reels. U can get the Ultegra and be fine.
@@ifishcatfish rod is a step croix legend xtreme. Length 228cm. Wouldn't say long..
@@ifishcatfish will you doa review on abu garcia Zenon spinning reels? It's i think the lightest out there and specs look really good. Price is very nice too.
Do you even know about Quick response and Core solid series differece..they are different type reels. And silence doesnt matter at all when you acatually fish outside.. and quick response series has more noise because they have lighter gear
no, i did not know any of that. I think you have great knowledge.
I am ready for the van Ford review. Looking to spend money.
From Shimano's own review, i think they realized the importance of low resistance in ultralight reels, and i am 99% sure that reel will be better than TP for UL fishing. But for bass fishing and salt - i think this is the new king. No need to go Vanquish
Twinpower or certate?
whichever is on sale. I slightly prefer TP, but both are nice
Don’t know why all bails are made of titanium? Quantum started that years ago best idea the twin power has the rigid shaft support system also
that bails are made of titanium? thats expensive, very few reels would have that
Well,i like that you are direct with your ideas,but sometimes it backlashes.The sanded cork knob is the ugliest knob in the world.Just to think that it belongs to trout people is a offense.A domain legacy must not be destroyed in this regard,even for learning new things from others ultralight world.I fish many species, but a perfection in a domain,must not be disturbed,take a rod for that application. I make changes myself,sometimes it matches,but most of the times not.And from my experience you can love also trout specific rod and reels because,it is stellar.I understand that you transmit what you want in bluegill fishing,maybe the same finesse and a little bit differently look,but for god’s sake,let the purist in trout fishing be safe.Thanks and i love your videos 🎉
i want to know how on earth did u end up posting such comment in this video.. I am trying to figure how that happened but i got nothing..
@@ifishcatfish I watching your Cardiff video, somehow RUclips had automatically another video started
@@tavi4400 yeah, this video is 3 yr old and the reel has no cork. But i didn't understand what u were saying there. What is offensive? Shimano says this is their premium trout reel! Please visit shimano japan, they have big page with this reel with lots of lovely trout scenery. This is marketed as a trout reel. Also it has ALWAYS had that cork knob, many models ago. Seems some kind of tradition. No need to get offended, i noted in several places in the video that this is a personal preference. Did i say it is defect or something? I just said i hate it. I understand if u have this reel u don't like that, but i don't feel i have mislead anyone or done anything wrong by sharing my personal preferences. U said my sanded knob is ugly. Well that's ur opinion and doesn't bother me at all, and i DEFINITELY don't feel offended!
If you fish for minnows any one of those 2 will be ok. But if you need a good, strong reel, for bass, pike, bonefish
you will need a 3000 size, 8.1 ounces, medium size reel. Then, if you order TP you will have a huge surprise.
They come only in power handle, round knob, horrible for any finesse fishing. For a Carolina rig,
or pulling a shrimp over sand for bonefish, when you need to feel every ridge on the bottom, that winch,
will not do it and you will scratch you head where to find a I shaped knob. Speaking from experience.
I agree on those big nasty round knobs, but this is only the 4000 size models. Check all models here: fishing.shimano.co.jp/product/reel/5913
The 2020 TP is a good reel for the coin, I 100% agree it doesnt actually feel anything like the Vanquish certainly not in UL applications, but even then it is not the best in class, not better than the Certate LT, and its not even close. Certate LT is one of the best reels ever made not just in my opinion but the opinion of all those in the know including both Tackle advisors and the infamous Alan hawk, both of which even consider it a higher level of reel than the Stella FJ. I personally have 3 comparable sizes of the TP FD and Certate and I just find the Certate is FAR smoother under load, immensely more powerful, better tolerances, a much higher level of quality, and smoother drag (better sounding than the other Daiwa "LT" reels as well but the TP has the better sounding drag of the 2 for sure). Of course these 2 are meant to be more "heavy duty" light tackle reels and not stickily for finesse, so It would be hard for you to test the Certate, but if you ever find yourself after a higher end larger reel, the 5000 size Certate LT is spectacular, a smoother lower resistance reel does not exist in this size. Good review nether the less, the TP FD is of course the much cheaper reel so it make sense that it isnt quite there with the Certate but that is absolutely fine, its good to have options and it is a beautiful reel also, though there is definite improvements that can be made in the next light tackle series of Twinpower. Cheers for the review man🎣
Thats a lot of mambo jumbo. Tackle advisors had never touched the TP when he said how much he likes the Certate. I don't even want to argue with you one your other points, you are obviously out of your mind.
@@ifishcatfish What? Damn man, don't even know what I said you could disagree with? Did you misinterpret what I said or something? I have both reels, I've used them extensively in every comparable body size, I said I like the TP a lot but specifically in the larger sizes (5000) the Certate is a much better tool almost like it was built to be that size, the TP has much nicer sounding drag and a more ergonomic bail trip, everywhere else the Certate is a step above it, especially in inertia and power in the 5000 size. If you want to compare the 2500 vs 2500, Certate has less inertial more power and is more durable, but the TP is slightly smoother with better tolerances, much more equal in this size. Not mumbo jumbo at all? Please go handle a 5000 Certate, not the smaller ones, just the 5000, and tell me you've ever felt a reel with less inertia? I have a Vanquish, they have far less than the Certate in smaller sizes, but the Certate 5000 the way its made has zero inertia or resistance, less than a 2500 Vanquish does(not a fair comparison but you get what im saying). Anyway I hope you understand now, nothing mumbo jumbo here, the TP is a good reel but it needs to be improved in a few areas, the inertia is extremely high, the main gear lacks durability (have already gone though 2 gear sets in my 5000xg) and in the 5000 size its not as smooth as it should be compared to the smaller models. Thats all, I hope you read this! Cheers man.
Listen man, good for u, buy certate then, just dont try to convince me. Also keep these posts shorter. Think like in Twitter.
@@ifishcatfish Gez man, well I hope you read my second comment, should have cleared it all up, not opinion but facts, not trying to convince you of anything, was sharing some information, If you want to bluntly pass it off even though you have no reason too then fine, have a good one.
I have both and the TP is far better than the Certate.
Twin power fd has titanium bail
sorry, it may shock u, but dont know which one is FD
@@ifishcatfish
U know more than that bro, he meant the latest tp fd 2020 series , it has got titanium spool lip , but no idea about the bail wire material for sure. It could be aluminium.one.
Twin power so sweet... 2x double strike 😂
Yeah I can't get over that cheap feeling that Shimano started to pursue with their line of reels. I can settle for the twin power or the Stella because they don't have that cheap plastic feel
Or Vanquish
Tlf truck voice
really? Which of them?
$400 is to rich for my blood, I will stick with cheaper Shimano bait casters @$150
Sahara is just as smooth but a little heavier. Best value for bass fishing under 200$
@@ifishcatfish Thanks, most of my fishing is salt water from the beach😎 but I am looking for a ultralight rig, I think I would buy the Daiwa Presso but they are hard to find! I tried to find the Prodigy today at Bass Pro with no luck.
Then get Nasci. Check my Nasci vs Sahara video. Number 1 video on my channel.
@@ifishcatfish Okay I will, I am learning a lot about rods and reels on your channel, I have 9 Chocolate sticks and 5 of them I have never fish with. I would be surprised if you have heard of them. They quit making them 25 years ago when the building burned down in California.
you are right - never heard of them