The ending could potentially have been foreshadowed from as early as the S1 finale when the boys completed their D&D game....with Will's fireball the killer blow to the Thesselhydra as the 4 boys defeat the final villain together. That final battle scene could be the same visual portrayed in Will's painting. In the S4 finale when Will told Mike "WE WILL, WE WILL!!!"....another hint!!! Thing with this is that it excludes Eleven meaning that she could be the big death in the finale....as she's being more & more portrayed as the Jesus figure who will sacrifice herself to save everyone! In S2, the Brenner-vision Kali gave Eleven had him saying that "It will eventually KILL YOU"....another hint!
One of the main reasons I don't want Will to die is because of all the people that hate Noah and I feel like people will say crazy things like "I'm glad Will died" and stuff and I feel like that would be heartbreaking for Noah to hear
I think it'll just come down to good vs evil, and it'll probably be a bittersweet ending, they end vecna, seal the upside down, but probably lose a few friends and sacrifices along the journey. I think there's going to be big twists involving will, like the mindflayer wanted him for a reason. Maybe he's the true ruler of the upside down.
I have a few predictions of my own : 1. Will dies sacrificing himself to save the group. 2. Dustin gets badly wounded trying to protect Steve. 3. Steve dies saving the kids and uses his last breath to say something along the lines of the kids not needing a babysitter. 4. Vecna is revealed to be Eleven’s father. 5. Eight returns to help Eleven. 6. Vecna takes the form of a hydra-style dragon, resembling the one Will painted. 7. Eddie, Billy, Bob, and Barb will return temporarily, but in ghost form. 8. The group gets stuck in the Upside Down and the final battle will take place there. 9. Eleven stays behind to close the last gate from inside The Upside Down once everyone else gets out back to the real world, or as I’m gonna call it, The Rightside Up. She’ll eventually, somehow, find a way back so her and Mike can have a happy ending. 10. Joyce and Hopper get married.
My S5 theory would be that Will would be exercised by El at some point but the end would be great, like how she did Billy in the finale of S3 by possibly going back into his memories and reminding him of a amazing time (maybe their S1 opening scene) in a time where Will can’t feel like he can control himself because let’s not forget he’s still a lil possessed. So it could be like they think final fight is over, everyone start letting their guard down after everyone seeing 001 being beheaded by El then boom the back of Will’s neck hairs stand up, his eyes turn black and the black veins all over his body appears (Looking like a flayed from S3) & he gets real close to stabbing El but she’s quicker, freezes him and exercises him right there & it be dramatic asf & start looking like the shadow monster coming outta him and they show flashbacks to S2 when the shadow monster entered him. & El right there talking him through it and reassuring him til he’s finally himself again. It’s not really a ending theory but I really hope this happens or something like this happens at one point because I don’t like how 30% of that long clawed dehydrated anchovy is still in Will like get him out asapppp.
I see a more likely scenario that it’s Mike who gets Vecna’d. Mike tries to kill Eleven but she uses her powers to save herself from him. He then turns to go after Will, but then Mike himself stops this from happening. In attempting to get Mike to kill Will, Vecna pushed Mike past his control. Mike loves Will, and this will be what makes him overpower Vecna’s hold. Eleven will realize that Will was going to kill her, but his love for Will wouldn’t allow him to kill Will no matter what.
Good predictions. Last one best. I think Nancy will die, Murray, Steve will get hurt ... if the kill Steve Dustin will not be same period. Kali yes will come help defeat Vecna and Max well she will help from inside and she will be the sacrifice.
I’ll be very disappointed if they don’t pick up something to do with 8’s story. She was mentioned last season. So I would just like to know what happened with Kali. Such as how did she escape in the first place? Did Henry help with that? So on and so forth. Things that I need to have a for sure answer about: - what’s going on with Kali - who’s truly in control: Henry or Mindflayer? - why Will drew the Red Dragon, just based of DND mythos. - anyone who dies, needs to have an actual reason for them to die (no random kills).
I think Kali definitely has help from Vecna. At least on how to develop her skills. Because if you watch her episode again and then watch season 4, she is teaching El to use her powers exactly like Henry taught El. I think she escaped by using her powers. Like she made a hallucination of Brenner telling everyone to let her out or something.
I would love the it's the final count down song playing and the whole party is battling Henry and his monsters. I love it's the final count down song. The party is victorious and loses 2 members in the fight or something. I really feel the show is hinting at multiple main characters giving the final blow to Henry at once. Like rolling the black dice in season 4 during D&D, 11 wasn't a high enough number. More that just 2 also. Not just El and Hopper or El and Will. El needs her friends and her friends need her. Maybe 4 or 5 mains deliver the last blow overwhelming Henry completely. I feel that would be so powerful and satisfying. A Joyce and Hopper wedding sounds great to put the show. I would love to see something like that in the season not just at the end. I would hate a Henry wins and all the Hawkins and the party is dead. He better not win.
I really hope they will bring back 8 (otherwise i‘ll be really disappointed) And i hope they bring her back in really good way, like for example: Vecna is about to kill 11 and 8 returns without us the audience seeing it, and she will make vecna see something that we will think actually happens, but at the end it was just a imagination that 8 put in his head to save 11
l think Vecna will sacrifice himself okayy l know it sounds crazy but listen. Now from Stranger things Vr and from The first shadow we know that Mind flayer controls him and manipulates him(he wants to get revenge from Eleven Mind flayer manipulates him with it) and Mind flayer presents himself as Dr.Brenner/Shadow Brenner to Vecna. So all we know is that Vecna is not a fan of being controlled. So, I think in season 5, he will start to realize that he is not the one who controls everything, so I think he will start to fight with the Mind Flayer.And I think they will give him an ending like Darth Vader's ending. Because interviews from Kate Trefry (one of the st writers) have said that they inspired Henry's origin from Darth Vader. They really did like younglings killing for empire and both wanting to rule the world. I think at some point it makes sense that he is Eleven's father.(Because if he is not then they have a really weird relationship like let her go dude?? What hell of thinking give you the fact that you are similar?? ) So with all of this information and after Eleven's being his daughter maybe not a sacrifice but l think there will be a definitely a redemption. Because in The First Shadow they really made him like a broken hero. After the first shadow, it's necessary to give him redemption because otherwise it'll bother me. Why would you portray him as a broken hero and still threaten him like a devil? And I think Mind Flayer being a big boss is much cooler than Vecna's being.
Exactly! I am so glad that someone also feels this way cuz the way The First Shadow, *a canon prequel* , portrayed Henry's origins and how the show has depicted his story so far are so polarized, the dilemma is real. It's really hard to show support for Henry's redemption (which feels inevitable considering everything) in this fandom while theorizing for S5, because majority of it aren't aware with the complete flip flopped status of main antagonists(Brenner and Mind flayer being the real big bad) which TFS has to offer and the worst part is we can't even blame rest of the fans because the Duffer Brothers made a duffer decision regarding the availability of this play lol. Like you would almost feel crazy explaining this plot twist to those whose last updated knowledge is of s4 vol 2 context. And the lack of TFS promotions these days is just setting it back from mainstream hence mainframe of discussions, even further. Most didn't care exploring Vecna VR game either all in the name of the silly criticism of "they are giving us anything but season 5 at this point" despite its entire gameplay, full of interesting lore, being present on youtube. Like if only they pay attention, they would see how the makers are cooking it by giving us all the dots to connect which would make the finale so much worth it. So, this is why I am _ecstatic_ to *finally* see someone being on the same page as me and few others :) Thank you for sharing your views. Hopefully, they haven't got our hopes up for no reason, just out of a major mood swing/ prank xD As even the fandom wiki went through an unexpected update and removed Vecna from Pure Evil Wiki and added Henry Creel into Hero Wiki, now this has to mean something as major as what the spin off is trying to build up, right? haha. Besides Kate Trefry who wrote the screenplay of The First Shadow and also majority of S2, described Henry to be an unreliable narrator after his contact with the source of his power. So the evil monologue with subtle elements of discrepancy, he presented to El in S4 E7 can't even be vouched to be coming out of his volition. ( As come on a/c to him, he passed out of overexertion, inadvertently sparing his father but also a/c to him his father gets framed for the murders *just like he planned*, always had the signs.) So yep, Vecna's Redemption Arc seems highly likely as they even have perfect explanations to defend the retcon kind of changes in the play compared to the show. My only fear is them having him sacrifice himself to seal his atonement/ redemption deal just like they did with Billy, because man...he has suffered more than any character in this show. The least which can be done is try to give him his happy ending too after all the hell he went through and was made to unleash on Hawkins against his will. But again, if the makers didn't hesitate from traumatizing him the most till now, what will stop them from doing it till even his last breath lol? Besides, it perfectly seems to fit the pattern of every character who redeemed themselves epically in this show, from Billy to Eddie and perhaps it's too late to undo the physical vecnafication of Henry Creel even if they do manage to exorcise Mindflayer out of his mental system. But again, I feel like maybe they, mostly El, can just manipulate the past with the help of Henry's journal which Patty has and which can be deciphered using Captain Midnight's clock (since time travel has been often teased) preventing things from spiraling into this crisis, as none of us know what those coded solutions in his diary really are, but that's just my wishful thinking lol.
Lastly, I think they explained in the play that all the subjects are born from the blood transfusion with Henry's blood which has been genetically altered ever since his contact with the Mind Flayer. This is why all of the kids were so prone to violence, and could be easily triggered (remember El's bullying scene in the Lab and how there was an eldritch thrumming when they toyed her around, _moments like these show that they really planned it all out_ ), as they had Mindflayer(who worsened their negative emotions like anger, fear, jealousy) in their blood, but in a reduced state compared to the pioneer(001), hence they weren't flayed or possessed like Henry yet were susceptible to angry outbursts, this is why El sometimes struggles controlling herself; the rollerskate smash to Angela in s4, tripping Max from her skateboard in s2 for which she apologized to her in the VR game's final chapter while Vecna reminded El how they belonged to each other *because no one can understand the anger/ rage they feel* (because it's literally otherworldly) So, in a way he is a father figure to all the kids including Eleven yet he isn't. Cuz it's his adulterated gene/ bloodtype but not in the way a regular child contains, because he wasn't sexually responsible for their conceiving. Jamie Campbell Bower, who plays Henry, since the beginning often described his relation with El as more sibling like rather than a father daughter one. I feel his special interest in her stems from the similarities which transcend genetic connection, they both had a hard time fitting in, are kind and empathetic, while we have seen how most of the other subjects behaviorally really were. We have also had found a lot of other similarities between their interactions with other common characters, like let's take Brenner for eg. Moreover, Henry has a thing for going all "kindred spirits yayy!" upon finding someone with a handful of parallel moments (mostly trauma bonding), even all his main victims, he resonated with each one of them in some ways. From Billy (mommy issues) to Chrissy (also had a brother besides her parents with a toxic mother, just like Henry’s own family) to Patrick (physical abuse which Henry was also subjected to during his time in HNL) to Max (intrusive thoughts) to Fred (guilt over killing someone/ self-hatred) to Will (oof the parallels are insane with this one) now, none of them are his children, yet he relates with them in a way he can’t help but pick them out of so many others to join him, his hellish mindscape, of course with El, it’s drastically different and more emotional because unlike the others, she is his match in all the ways, power(which the Mindflayer inside him probably wants) and nature wise (which the actual Henry yearns for). Now maybe she is as powerful as him or actually stronger than him because either it was a lucky draw/ mutation lottery or she really turns out to be his daughter somehow. So yep, the door to such possibility is still open, but given what they showed in the prequel, Karen Wheeler being Vecna’s sister and Vecna being El’s father theories seemed to be ruled out.
@@aisharana5019 Thank you for your comment:) I am also happy to see someone who has knowledge about VR and stage play. As you said, it's really impossible in this fandom theorizing for season 5 because barely of them even know about the existence of play. And most of them are not happy for Vecna's redemption. Playi is not accessible to everyone, which is a significant issue because it leads people to believe that Duffers has 'justified' his actions. But how about VR :( I don't understand why people are not considering it as a canon. It is a really cool game. With VR and stage play, you can really understand the character and impact of it. But I think we will be satisfied because Jamie seems to be happy😂And what did lead me to think that Henry's Eleven's father is actually because they never revealed him. Like they never mention him, if he is not her father, who is? It will be important if Henry is her father, but if he is some guy, it is too late to reveal him, like in Middle of the War. Why would it be important? And about the Mind Flayer's influence, I think the kids were natural bullies because they were fighting for Papa's attention. Even Henry said that Papa treated them like game pieces. There is an influence of Mind Flayer on Henry, but he can fight with it at some point. However, he gave up after realizing that there is no point in fighting. He thought why the mind Flayer's side would be bad if the other side is also bad. And Eleven being violent is, I think, a realistic part of the series, considering what she has been through, so I don't think it is Mind Flayer's influence. Because she was always fighting with bad guys violently, and in the lab, they taught her to be violent. And also do you have a Instagram account? It would be cool to have a Stranger Things fan friend:)))
@@usya698 haha I can resonate the relief of running into a Stranger Things of your caliber as I totally get what you mean when you recounted most people being disappointed over Vecna's redemption potential, they think the makers are retconning his origin by giving him a sob-story to _'justify his misdeeds'_ when anyone who understood the play, would see beyond those bunch of inconsistencies and realize how it was really all meticulously planned out. I will come back to those reasons later. Secondly, the Vecna VR game is indeed very cool as it gave us a lot of information about how The Mindflayer communicates with Henry, by mostly manipulating and grooming him under the alias of Dr Brenner, deluding him to think he is in control. It also showed us how Mindflayer made Vecna operate every kind of attack each season all while acting as his puppet. How it punished Henry by replaying his worst memory of El's rejection and banishing him, after he failed to get into the mind of any of the boys during season 2 despite multiple attempts. It was very similar to how Vecna stalked and haunted his prey in season 4, hinting at a cycle of abuse, which I found very interesting. *_Now this game was supposed to be released prior to The First Shadow, this is why despite showing a symbiotically manipulative relation between Henry and Mindflayer, indicating that Mindflayer is the main master of puppet just like what the play revealed, it was still centered on Vecna's one-dimensional ruthlessness, very akin to his season 4 depiction which doesn’t do justice to his full truth, unlike his humanization which TFS canonically explored._* So, there are some parts of it _which are more adhering to the _*_S4 Vecna’s_*_ integration into the earlier seasons_ , which is not necessarily what must have happened now that we know that Vecna was also behind everything but behind him, it was actually Mindflayer again. Like in the game, apart from discovering the symbiosis between Henry and Mindflayer where the dominant role and Henry’s original reluctance + inherent goodness are not as clear as the play made them out to be, it’s striving to insert Vecna behind the driving wheels of every major diabolical event in the show because that’s what S4 wanted us to think ( that “it was you, always you”) And since the game was initially scheduled to be out before the play, the VR game was supposed to fit in like a complete/ perfect canon. TFS is what creates the rift between it being entirely canon. Even from interviews and other media sources, we know that the game developers received early drafts of S4 script. No consideration of the canon play/ prequel while making this game at all. This is why it refocused on giving us skewed details about Henry’s time in Hawkins Lab. Sketching a psychopathic picture of him just like his brainwashed-self narrated to 011 in his monologue. *How easy it was for him to mutilate animals for experiments like he was always evil when from TFS, we know that he cried so much when Brenner made him do that for the first time.* Now only one of them can be 100% canon where the prequel has been already loudly declared to be as The Duffer Brothers had a direct involvement in it meanwhile VR game could have been as long as TFS didn’t enter the chat xD This is the main reason why it’s not considered canon despite being so dope. It’s more *_a canon-adjacent game than true canon_* , thanks to those parts humoring s4 version of Henry, when we now know his true story goes deeper and more humanly for real. You may also wonder how can they do a justified job at extending Vecna’s pov only a/c to s4 but also got some other things right like him and Mindflayer constantly bickering and switching positions of power which is impossible to be deduced without an insightful consultation, transcending and predating s4 context, by the ST team. For that, the credit goes to Paul Dichter, who's a writer on the show since Season 1 and is a creative consultant for other ST-related media. Paul is also responsible for supervising spin off comic and novels based on ST and although most of those books aren’t canon but some mythology elements might be accurate or at least slightly similar to what is canon. For instance: in the Suspicious Minds book (ST spin off book, exploring Terry Ives’s participation in MKUltra) the name “Project Indigo” is introduced (something never mentioned in the show), which is the actual name of Brenner's program and was the proposed name of the show. Even though the book isn't canon, this information which was given by Paul (and was only known to the show’s writers and producers) is accurate to the Duffers’ vision. I expect something similar to happen with elements from the game. But yeah, it doesn’t mean the game should not be taken seriously, after all it does cover so many intriguing themes without being inaccurate. I hope this answers some of the frustrating mysteries, this is why I explained it in so much detail :) Yep Jamie is happy with these later additions, I bet majority of the euphoria is drawn from TFS as since the beginning, he has been pining for the day when he could cite the source behind his passionate defense for Henry. Back in those days, hearing him take a stand for him made me so curious but also had me occasionally thinking maybe this guy is delelu lmao until TFS came as his alibi and the ultimate gamechanger. And now fans like us must be giving such impression to those who choose to turn a blind eye towards the existence of this play while we drop reliable spoilers. So hey at least we were attentive to the references he wanted us to dive into to understand his compassion for Henry, once it was finally available on net.
Brace yourself as I am about to drop some jaw dropping trivia which may not age well by the end of my reply haha. Eleven's biological father has been said to be a man named Andrew Rich, who was Terry Ives's boyfriend in the 2019 novel called Suspicious Mind. Yep, one of those novels Paul Dichter supervised. Although it hasn't been considered canon entirely just like the VR game, but that's all info we have on Eleven's father. Like there is a point where her father is finally mentioned, but again, such spin off materials not being canon causes the issue, however until it is proven otherwise, many prefer to go with it. Just like until TFS came and complicated VR game's credibility, VR Game following Season 4 was perfectly canon. So let's see if they do have the "I am your father, Eleven" card under Vecna's vines/ sleeves xD [but again as you said, why would he do that? Especially in middle of a war? To make an epic battle more epic with dramatic elements? To make El’s determination to avenge Max wobble? To stall some time or just let her know the truth before one of them dies because he owes this much to her? The window is still open to that, pal :)] You can look up this book, canon or not, it's worth a ride just like the VR game. What happened to Andrew is also explained on wiki fandom site, if this piqued your interest :) Lastly, I wholeheartedly agree with you that El's history as being trained as a bioweapon and being deprived of warmth a child needs, for her *nearly* entire childhood has shaped her violent tendencies significantly, then the fact that she is forced to channel that violent spirit to stand her ground and protect her friends and family against supernatural as well as anthropogenic threat, just adds to it. Just like some of the other subjects had internalized jealousy, sadism and insecurity which they projected at her with bullying. They all own their dark side. It makes it more realistic and deep but I don't think Mindflayer's influence completely takes away the spotlight or invalidates the individual characteristics (like the other subjects were indeed being bullies, no doubt in that) and emotional traumatic baggage( like El suffering from PTSD of her time in Hawkins Lab, no doubt in that either), *_it just adds another layer of insight to the challenges_* which comes with navigating these inner voices, demons & haunting past. I apologize for not expressing myself as clearly as I could have the first time, since *Mindflayer is not* making them feel those negative emotions. *It's just aggravating or deteriorating them* , you can say like adding fuel to the fire.
The only things I feel really sure about are that Will is going to be the key to defeating Vecna, since he's had a connection with him all this time. Idk if he'll sacrifice himself, but he's going to play a major part in taking him down. Two: Robin will die. I believe this because the Duffers are known for listening to their actors and crafting their storylines around their personalities. And Maya Hawke has stated that she really wants her character to die in a very epic, heroic way. So i think they'll give that to her.
Since the Duffers obviously love their homages and movie influences.. I think they will take inspiration from other 'finales ' of film franchises such as Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, lotr- The Return of the King, the Hobbit- battle of the Five Armies, HP- the Deathly Hallows, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the Hunger Games- Mockingjay, Twilight- breaking Dawn, Back to the Future part 3, the Dark knight Rises, the Matrix Revolutions and Avengers Endgame, etc.. I could see the ending being similar to IT too.. the gang maybe goes their separate ways n u see what they have been up to. Maybe the 4 boys play one last game of D&D too
My theory for stranger things will end: 8 will return(in a badass way, she’ll be more different then she was in s2) A few characters will move out of Hawkins for good. One of the wheelers will die(I feel like Karen will , not to sure about holly and Mike) Murray will die, Steve will die, Karen will die, will is going die, max might die, I truly don’t believe 11 will die. I think she’ll survive My biggest theory is, I feel like there will be a ground breaking plot twist that nobody will expect. I don’t know why. But I do think this is my main’s theory
Your ground breaking plot twist will be Veccna realizes he has gone to far in unleashing the whole upside into real world when he can't control the dragons. Him,8 and 11 have to work to together to close the portal. The clue is in dungeon and dragons have to get at least a 20 to win. 1+8+11=20
I have no idea what the ending is going to be, but here are my predictions: Karen Wheeler is becca‘s sister, and she’s been in hiding all of this time. Put a stretch, but it would be insane if this is true. I really like the theory about 11 being the one that sacrifices herself and closes the upside down with her in it, but rather than just cutting the black and not knowing what happens I think that’s where Linda Hamilton will come to play. Linda Hamilton will be 11 in a spin off series. Dustin will die, and it will snap Eddie (If they go the Cass route) out of the servant/zombie state he currently is, and he will kill Vecina or at least brutally attack him
I think Will ends up sacrificing himself in some way. The last scene or even post credit scene will be Mike and eleven having a child that they name Will
Prediction: Eleven takes over the Mind Flayer. The same way Vecna uses his telekinesis/telepathy to control the Mind Flayer. The final plot to defeat Vecna and banish the forces of the upside down will involve Eleven setaling the Mind Flayer from Vecna.
I think the ending which you told at the end of the video will happen but with a slight editing like Max will return instead of Eight , she will be in comma until the last episode where the final fight will occur and she will also have powers and then they will start playing Kate Bush's song "Running Up the Hill". Please like my comment if you like this ending 👇 Edit: They might even show Eleven's mom coming up at the last as a hero too !
The best end is for her to sacrifice herself, but it won't happen since they already said they are making a spinoff that L will work for the government as an adult.
What happens if 11 create a whole entire different universe and then she put her upside down universe into that that but then that uses all her powers and then she dies sacrificing herself
Not to burst your bubble but I feel like the ending you came up with is way too Marvel-esque. This is Stranger Things, I would prefer if the final fight was more grounded instead of just a generic Endgame like battle. I do agree tho that Steve will probably bite the bullet
Nah, the final countdown is too mainstream! The duffmen are too indie...hence the popular songs in every season are by the likes of the clash, joy division, Duran Duran, the cramps, souxie and the banshees, Kate Bush, Metallica, etc.
I’m just gonna say now it would be way too obvious if 11 died and there’s no way they’re gonna do something that obvious so I say Mike or Steve is going to die
I don't want either of them to die but as for the Byler confession I don't think it will happen but I can see Will coming out to Mike but Mike tells him that their relationship won't go beyond friendship because he loves El but he will totally accept Will for who he is and their friendship will be intact
So picture this...and think about what theyve said, the ending hits hard and is very emotional.....ending goes like this..the party defeats vecna but the upside down keeps coming through to Hawkins. The party figures out they have to go through this time bridge from 1984 and the present. They send 11 back through with her mind and doesn't send Henry. But it comes with a catch,they don't remember anything. Not even 11. 11 does remember tho. Then the last scene,11 goes to school,sees the gang but is timid and Mike asks her to join...
Still can’t get over stranger things day this year though 😢😢
It was so underwhelming lol but we move on
@@RelayTSat least we got episode 7 and 8 titles
CONFIRMED BIGGEST LEAK .... JANE ELEVENS MOM IS VECNA'S SISTER 💀
@@editinglife97also a confirmation of the series finale in 2025
I know in it that means stranger things isn’t coming out until November 6th 2025 I can’t wait that long
The ending could potentially have been foreshadowed from as early as the S1 finale when the boys completed their D&D game....with Will's fireball the killer blow to the Thesselhydra as the 4 boys defeat the final villain together.
That final battle scene could be the same visual portrayed in Will's painting. In the S4 finale when Will told Mike "WE WILL, WE WILL!!!"....another hint!!!
Thing with this is that it excludes Eleven meaning that she could be the big death in the finale....as she's being more & more portrayed as the Jesus figure who will sacrifice herself to save everyone! In S2, the Brenner-vision Kali gave Eleven had him saying that "It will eventually KILL YOU"....another hint!
This! I think it makes the most sense.
私もそう思う！D&Dが鍵になります！きっと4人で倒す、素晴らしい👍
One of the main reasons I don't want Will to die is because of all the people that hate Noah and I feel like people will say crazy things like "I'm glad Will died" and stuff and I feel like that would be heartbreaking for Noah to hear
i hope dustin's little kitty lives (rip mews)
I think it'll just come down to good vs evil, and it'll probably be a bittersweet ending, they end vecna, seal the upside down, but probably lose a few friends and sacrifices along the journey. I think there's going to be big twists involving will, like the mindflayer wanted him for a reason. Maybe he's the true ruler of the upside down.
I have a few predictions of my own :
1. Will dies sacrificing himself to save the group.
2. Dustin gets badly wounded trying to protect Steve.
3. Steve dies saving the kids and uses his last breath to say something along the lines of the kids not needing a babysitter.
4. Vecna is revealed to be Eleven’s father.
5. Eight returns to help Eleven.
6. Vecna takes the form of a hydra-style dragon, resembling the one Will painted.
7. Eddie, Billy, Bob, and Barb will return temporarily, but in ghost form.
8. The group gets stuck in the Upside Down and the final battle will take place there.
9. Eleven stays behind to close the last gate from inside The Upside Down once everyone else gets out back to the real world, or as I’m gonna call it, The Rightside Up. She’ll eventually, somehow, find a way back so her and Mike can have a happy ending.
10. Joyce and Hopper get married.
すごい、ほとんど私の予想と同じです😊😊😊
4は少し意見が違く、私は彼はeleの異母兄弟かと思う。新しい登場人物が、oneの母親。
I hade the exact same thing for el being stuck 😂😂
My S5 theory would be that Will would be exercised by El at some point but the end would be great, like how she did Billy in the finale of S3 by possibly going back into his memories and reminding him of a amazing time (maybe their S1 opening scene) in a time where Will can’t feel like he can control himself because let’s not forget he’s still a lil possessed. So it could be like they think final fight is over, everyone start letting their guard down after everyone seeing 001 being beheaded by El then boom the back of Will’s neck hairs stand up, his eyes turn black and the black veins all over his body appears (Looking like a flayed from S3) & he gets real close to stabbing El but she’s quicker, freezes him and exercises him right there & it be dramatic asf & start looking like the shadow monster coming outta him and they show flashbacks to S2 when the shadow monster entered him. & El right there talking him through it and reassuring him til he’s finally himself again. It’s not really a ending theory but I really hope this happens or something like this happens at one point because I don’t like how 30% of that long clawed dehydrated anchovy is still in Will like get him out asapppp.
CONFIRMED BIGGEST LEAK .... JANE ELEVENS MOM IS VECNA'S SISTER 💀
I see a more likely scenario that it’s Mike who gets Vecna’d. Mike tries to kill Eleven but she uses her powers to save herself from him. He then turns to go after Will, but then Mike himself stops this from happening. In attempting to get Mike to kill Will, Vecna pushed Mike past his control. Mike loves Will, and this will be what makes him overpower Vecna’s hold. Eleven will realize that Will was going to kill her, but his love for Will wouldn’t allow him to kill Will no matter what.
Good predictions. Last one best. I think Nancy will die, Murray, Steve will get hurt ... if the kill Steve Dustin will not be same period. Kali yes will come help defeat Vecna and Max well she will help from inside and she will be the sacrifice.
I’ll be very disappointed if they don’t pick up something to do with 8’s story. She was mentioned last season. So I would just like to know what happened with Kali. Such as how did she escape in the first place? Did Henry help with that? So on and so forth.
Things that I need to have a for sure answer about:
- what’s going on with Kali
- who’s truly in control: Henry or Mindflayer?
- why Will drew the Red Dragon, just based of DND mythos.
- anyone who dies, needs to have an actual reason for them to die (no random kills).
I think Kali definitely has help from Vecna. At least on how to develop her skills. Because if you watch her episode again and then watch season 4, she is teaching El to use her powers exactly like Henry taught El. I think she escaped by using her powers. Like she made a hallucination of Brenner telling everyone to let her out or something.
I would love the it's the final count down song playing and the whole party is battling Henry and his monsters. I love it's the final count down song. The party is victorious and loses 2 members in the fight or something. I really feel the show is hinting at multiple main characters giving the final blow to Henry at once. Like rolling the black dice in season 4 during D&D, 11 wasn't a high enough number. More that just 2 also. Not just El and Hopper or El and Will. El needs her friends and her friends need her. Maybe 4 or 5 mains deliver the last blow overwhelming Henry completely. I feel that would be so powerful and satisfying. A Joyce and Hopper wedding sounds great to put the show. I would love to see something like that in the season not just at the end. I would hate a Henry wins and all the Hawkins and the party is dead. He better not win.
I really hope they will bring back 8 (otherwise i‘ll be really disappointed)
And i hope they bring her back in really good way, like for example: Vecna is about to kill 11 and 8 returns without us the audience seeing it, and she will make vecna see something that we will think actually happens, but at the end it was just a imagination that 8 put in his head to save 11
l think Vecna will sacrifice himself okayy l know it sounds crazy but listen. Now from Stranger things Vr and from The first shadow we know that Mind flayer controls him and manipulates him(he wants to get revenge from Eleven Mind flayer manipulates him with it) and Mind flayer presents himself as Dr.Brenner/Shadow Brenner to Vecna. So all we know is that Vecna is not a fan of being controlled. So, I think in season 5, he will start to realize that he is not the one who controls everything, so I think he will start to fight with the Mind Flayer.And I think they will give him an ending like Darth Vader's ending. Because interviews from Kate Trefry (one of the st writers) have said that they inspired Henry's origin from Darth Vader. They really did like younglings killing for empire and both wanting to rule the world. I think at some point it makes sense that he is Eleven's father.(Because if he is not then they have a really weird relationship like let her go dude?? What hell of thinking give you the fact that you are similar?? ) So with all of this information and after Eleven's being his daughter maybe not a sacrifice but l think there will be a definitely a redemption. Because in The First Shadow they really made him like a broken hero. After the first shadow, it's necessary to give him redemption because otherwise it'll bother me. Why would you portray him as a broken hero and still threaten him like a devil? And I think Mind Flayer being a big boss is much cooler than Vecna's being.
Exactly! I am so glad that someone also feels this way cuz the way The First Shadow, *a canon prequel* , portrayed Henry's origins and how the show has depicted his story so far are so polarized, the dilemma is real. It's really hard to show support for Henry's redemption (which feels inevitable considering everything) in this fandom while theorizing for S5, because majority of it aren't aware with the complete flip flopped status of main antagonists(Brenner and Mind flayer being the real big bad) which TFS has to offer and the worst part is we can't even blame rest of the fans because the Duffer Brothers made a duffer decision regarding the availability of this play lol. Like you would almost feel crazy explaining this plot twist to those whose last updated knowledge is of s4 vol 2 context. And the lack of TFS promotions these days is just setting it back from mainstream hence mainframe of discussions, even further. Most didn't care exploring Vecna VR game either all in the name of the silly criticism of "they are giving us anything but season 5 at this point" despite its entire gameplay, full of interesting lore, being present on youtube. Like if only they pay attention, they would see how the makers are cooking it by giving us all the dots to connect which would make the finale so much worth it. So, this is why I am _ecstatic_ to *finally* see someone being on the same page as me and few others :)
Thank you for sharing your views. Hopefully, they haven't got our hopes up for no reason, just out of a major mood swing/ prank xD
As even the fandom wiki went through an unexpected update and removed Vecna from Pure Evil Wiki and added Henry Creel into Hero Wiki, now this has to mean something as major as what the spin off is trying to build up, right? haha. Besides Kate Trefry who wrote the screenplay of The First Shadow and also majority of S2, described Henry to be an unreliable narrator after his contact with the source of his power. So the evil monologue with subtle elements of discrepancy, he presented to El in S4 E7 can't even be vouched to be coming out of his volition. ( As come on a/c to him, he passed out of overexertion, inadvertently sparing his father but also a/c to him his father gets framed for the murders *just like he planned*, always had the signs.)
So yep, Vecna's Redemption Arc seems highly likely as they even have perfect explanations to defend the retcon kind of changes in the play compared to the show. My only fear is them having him sacrifice himself to seal his atonement/ redemption deal just like they did with Billy, because man...he has suffered more than any character in this show. The least which can be done is try to give him his happy ending too after all the hell he went through and was made to unleash on Hawkins against his will. But again, if the makers didn't hesitate from traumatizing him the most till now, what will stop them from doing it till even his last breath lol? Besides, it perfectly seems to fit the pattern of every character who redeemed themselves epically in this show, from Billy to Eddie and perhaps it's too late to undo the physical vecnafication of Henry Creel even if they do manage to exorcise Mindflayer out of his mental system. But again, I feel like maybe they, mostly El, can just manipulate the past with the help of Henry's journal which Patty has and which can be deciphered using Captain Midnight's clock (since time travel has been often teased) preventing things from spiraling into this crisis, as none of us know what those coded solutions in his diary really are, but that's just my wishful thinking lol.
Lastly, I think they explained in the play that all the subjects are born from the blood transfusion with Henry's blood which has been genetically altered ever since his contact with the Mind Flayer. This is why all of the kids were so prone to violence, and could be easily triggered (remember El's bullying scene in the Lab and how there was an eldritch thrumming when they toyed her around, _moments like these show that they really planned it all out_ ), as they had Mindflayer(who worsened their negative emotions like anger, fear, jealousy) in their blood, but in a reduced state compared to the pioneer(001), hence they weren't flayed or possessed like Henry yet were susceptible to angry outbursts, this is why El sometimes struggles controlling herself; the rollerskate smash to Angela in s4, tripping Max from her skateboard in s2 for which she apologized to her in the VR game's final chapter while Vecna reminded El how they belonged to each other *because no one can understand the anger/ rage they feel* (because it's literally otherworldly) So, in a way he is a father figure to all the kids including Eleven yet he isn't. Cuz it's his adulterated gene/ bloodtype but not in the way a regular child contains, because he wasn't sexually responsible for their conceiving. Jamie Campbell Bower, who plays Henry, since the beginning often described his relation with El as more sibling like rather than a father daughter one. I feel his special interest in her stems from the similarities which transcend genetic connection, they both had a hard time fitting in, are kind and empathetic, while we have seen how most of the other subjects behaviorally really were. We have also had found a lot of other similarities between their interactions with other common characters, like let's take Brenner for eg. Moreover, Henry has a thing for going all "kindred spirits yayy!" upon finding someone with a handful of parallel moments (mostly trauma bonding), even all his main victims, he resonated with each one of them in some ways. From Billy (mommy issues) to Chrissy (also had a brother besides her parents with a toxic mother, just like Henry’s own family) to Patrick (physical abuse which Henry was also subjected to during his time in HNL) to Max (intrusive thoughts) to Fred (guilt over killing someone/ self-hatred) to Will (oof the parallels are insane with this one) now, none of them are his children, yet he relates with them in a way he can’t help but pick them out of so many others to join him, his hellish mindscape, of course with El, it’s drastically different and more emotional because unlike the others, she is his match in all the ways, power(which the Mindflayer inside him probably wants) and nature wise (which the actual Henry yearns for). Now maybe she is as powerful as him or actually stronger than him because either it was a lucky draw/ mutation lottery or she really turns out to be his daughter somehow. So yep, the door to such possibility is still open, but given what they showed in the prequel, Karen Wheeler being Vecna’s sister and Vecna being El’s father theories seemed to be ruled out.
@@aisharana5019 Thank you for your comment:) I am also happy to see someone who has knowledge about VR and stage play. As you said, it's really impossible in this fandom theorizing for season 5 because barely of them even know about the existence of play. And most of them are not happy for Vecna's redemption. Playi is not accessible to everyone, which is a significant issue because it leads people to believe that Duffers has 'justified' his actions. But how about VR :( I don't understand why people are not considering it as a canon. It is a really cool game. With VR and stage play, you can really understand the character and impact of it. But I think we will be satisfied because Jamie seems to be happy😂And what did lead me to think that Henry's Eleven's father is actually because they never revealed him. Like they never mention him, if he is not her father, who is? It will be important if Henry is her father, but if he is some guy, it is too late to reveal him, like in Middle of the War. Why would it be important? And about the Mind Flayer's influence, I think the kids were natural bullies because they were fighting for Papa's attention. Even Henry said that Papa treated them like game pieces. There is an influence of Mind Flayer on Henry, but he can fight with it at some point. However, he gave up after realizing that there is no point in fighting. He thought why the mind Flayer's side would be bad if the other side is also bad. And Eleven being violent is, I think, a realistic part of the series, considering what she has been through, so I don't think it is Mind Flayer's influence. Because she was always fighting with bad guys violently, and in the lab, they taught her to be violent. And also do you have a Instagram account? It would be cool to have a Stranger Things fan friend:)))
@@usya698 haha I can resonate the relief of running into a Stranger Things of your caliber as I totally get what you mean when you recounted most people being disappointed over Vecna's redemption potential, they think the makers are retconning his origin by giving him a sob-story to _'justify his misdeeds'_ when anyone who understood the play, would see beyond those bunch of inconsistencies and realize how it was really all meticulously planned out. I will come back to those reasons later.
Secondly, the Vecna VR game is indeed very cool as it gave us a lot of information about how The Mindflayer communicates with Henry, by mostly manipulating and grooming him under the alias of Dr Brenner, deluding him to think he is in control. It also showed us how Mindflayer made Vecna operate every kind of attack each season all while acting as his puppet. How it punished Henry by replaying his worst memory of El's rejection and banishing him, after he failed to get into the mind of any of the boys during season 2 despite multiple attempts. It was very similar to how Vecna stalked and haunted his prey in season 4, hinting at a cycle of abuse, which I found very interesting.
*_Now this game was supposed to be released prior to The First Shadow, this is why despite showing a symbiotically manipulative relation between Henry and Mindflayer, indicating that Mindflayer is the main master of puppet just like what the play revealed, it was still centered on Vecna's one-dimensional ruthlessness, very akin to his season 4 depiction which doesn’t do justice to his full truth, unlike his humanization which TFS canonically explored._*
So, there are some parts of it _which are more adhering to the _*_S4 Vecna’s_*_ integration into the earlier seasons_ , which is not necessarily what must have happened now that we know that Vecna was also behind everything but behind him, it was actually Mindflayer again. Like in the game, apart from discovering the symbiosis between Henry and Mindflayer where the dominant role and Henry’s original reluctance + inherent goodness are not as clear as the play made them out to be, it’s striving to insert Vecna behind the driving wheels of every major diabolical event in the show because that’s what S4 wanted us to think ( that “it was you, always you”) And since the game was initially scheduled to be out before the play, the VR game was supposed to fit in like a complete/ perfect canon. TFS is what creates the rift between it being entirely canon. Even from interviews and other media sources, we know that the game developers received early drafts of S4 script. No consideration of the canon play/ prequel while making this game at all. This is why it refocused on giving us skewed details about Henry’s time in Hawkins Lab. Sketching a psychopathic picture of him just like his brainwashed-self narrated to 011 in his monologue. *How easy it was for him to mutilate animals for experiments like he was always evil when from TFS, we know that he cried so much when Brenner made him do that for the first time.* Now only one of them can be 100% canon where the prequel has been already loudly declared to be as The Duffer Brothers had a direct involvement in it meanwhile VR game could have been as long as TFS didn’t enter the chat xD This is the main reason why it’s not considered canon despite being so dope. It’s more *_a canon-adjacent game than true canon_* , thanks to those parts humoring s4 version of Henry, when we now know his true story goes deeper and more humanly for real.
You may also wonder how can they do a justified job at extending Vecna’s pov only a/c to s4 but also got some other things right like him and Mindflayer constantly bickering and switching positions of power which is impossible to be deduced without an insightful consultation, transcending and predating s4 context, by the ST team. For that, the credit goes to Paul Dichter, who's a writer on the show since Season 1 and is a creative consultant for other ST-related media. Paul is also responsible for supervising spin off comic and novels based on ST and although most of those books aren’t canon but some mythology elements might be accurate or at least slightly similar to what is canon.
For instance: in the Suspicious Minds book (ST spin off book, exploring Terry Ives’s participation in MKUltra) the name “Project Indigo” is introduced (something never mentioned in the show), which is the actual name of Brenner's program and was the proposed name of the show. Even though the book isn't canon, this information which was given by Paul (and was only known to the show’s writers and producers) is accurate to the Duffers’ vision. I expect something similar to happen with elements from the game. But yeah, it doesn’t mean the game should not be taken seriously, after all it does cover so many intriguing themes without being inaccurate.
I hope this answers some of the frustrating mysteries, this is why I explained it in so much detail :)
Yep Jamie is happy with these later additions, I bet majority of the euphoria is drawn from TFS as since the beginning, he has been pining for the day when he could cite the source behind his passionate defense for Henry. Back in those days, hearing him take a stand for him made me so curious but also had me occasionally thinking maybe this guy is delelu lmao until TFS came as his alibi and the ultimate gamechanger. And now fans like us must be giving such impression to those who choose to turn a blind eye towards the existence of this play while we drop reliable spoilers. So hey at least we were attentive to the references he wanted us to dive into to understand his compassion for Henry, once it was finally available on net.
Brace yourself as I am about to drop some jaw dropping trivia which may not age well by the end of my reply haha. Eleven's biological father has been said to be a man named Andrew Rich, who was Terry Ives's boyfriend in the 2019 novel called Suspicious Mind. Yep, one of those novels Paul Dichter supervised. Although it hasn't been considered canon entirely just like the VR game, but that's all info we have on Eleven's father. Like there is a point where her father is finally mentioned, but again, such spin off materials not being canon causes the issue, however until it is proven otherwise, many prefer to go with it. Just like until TFS came and complicated VR game's credibility, VR Game following Season 4 was perfectly canon. So let's see if they do have the "I am your father, Eleven" card under Vecna's vines/ sleeves xD [but again as you said, why would he do that? Especially in middle of a war? To make an epic battle more epic with dramatic elements? To make El’s determination to avenge Max wobble? To stall some time or just let her know the truth before one of them dies because he owes this much to her? The window is still open to that, pal :)]
You can look up this book, canon or not, it's worth a ride just like the VR game. What happened to Andrew is also explained on wiki fandom site, if this piqued your interest :)
Lastly, I wholeheartedly agree with you that El's history as being trained as a bioweapon and being deprived of warmth a child needs, for her *nearly* entire childhood has shaped her violent tendencies significantly, then the fact that she is forced to channel that violent spirit to stand her ground and protect her friends and family against supernatural as well as anthropogenic threat, just adds to it. Just like some of the other subjects had internalized jealousy, sadism and insecurity which they projected at her with bullying. They all own their dark side.
It makes it more realistic and deep but I don't think Mindflayer's influence completely takes away the spotlight or invalidates the individual characteristics (like the other subjects were indeed being bullies, no doubt in that) and emotional traumatic baggage( like El suffering from PTSD of her time in Hawkins Lab, no doubt in that either), *_it just adds another layer of insight to the challenges_* which comes with navigating these inner voices, demons & haunting past. I apologize for not expressing myself as clearly as I could have the first time, since *Mindflayer is not* making them feel those negative emotions. *It's just aggravating or deteriorating them* , you can say like adding fuel to the fire.
The only things I feel really sure about are that Will is going to be the key to defeating Vecna, since he's had a connection with him all this time. Idk if he'll sacrifice himself, but he's going to play a major part in taking him down. Two: Robin will die. I believe this because the Duffers are known for listening to their actors and crafting their storylines around their personalities. And Maya Hawke has stated that she really wants her character to die in a very epic, heroic way. So i think they'll give that to her.
Since the Duffers obviously love their homages and movie influences.. I think they will take inspiration from other 'finales ' of film franchises such as Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, lotr- The Return of the King, the Hobbit- battle of the Five Armies, HP- the Deathly Hallows, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the Hunger Games- Mockingjay, Twilight- breaking Dawn, Back to the Future part 3, the Dark knight Rises, the Matrix Revolutions and Avengers Endgame, etc.. I could see the ending being similar to IT too.. the gang maybe goes their separate ways n u see what they have been up to. Maybe the 4 boys play one last game of D&D too
My theory for stranger things will end:
8 will return(in a badass way, she’ll be more different then she was in s2)
A few characters will move out of Hawkins for good.
One of the wheelers will die(I feel like Karen will , not to sure about holly and Mike)
Murray will die, Steve will die, Karen will die, will is going die, max might die, I truly don’t believe 11 will die. I think she’ll survive
My biggest theory is, I feel like there will be a ground breaking plot twist that nobody will expect. I don’t know why.
But I do think this is my main’s theory
Your ground breaking plot twist will be Veccna realizes he has gone to far in unleashing the whole upside into real world when he can't control the dragons. Him,8 and 11 have to work to together to close the portal. The clue is in dungeon and dragons have to get at least a 20 to win. 1+8+11=20
Well i think Eleven won't die but she'll lose her powers and Also i think Will will also have powers coz of the episode named Sorcerer ❤
@@stevepage4504that is a solid theory
@@akshdevsingh8385 good one
@@stevepage4504 ouuu okay
OMG YOUR ENDING IS INCREDIBLE I SO WANT THAT
I have no idea what the ending is going to be, but here are my predictions:
Karen Wheeler is becca‘s sister, and she’s been in hiding all of this time. Put a stretch, but it would be insane if this is true.
I really like the theory about 11 being the one that sacrifices herself and closes the upside down with her in it, but rather than just cutting the black and not knowing what happens I think that’s where Linda Hamilton will come to play. Linda Hamilton will be 11 in a spin off series.
Dustin will die, and it will snap Eddie (If they go the Cass route) out of the servant/zombie state he currently is, and he will kill Vecina or at least brutally attack him
I think Will ends up sacrificing himself in some way. The last scene or even post credit scene will be Mike and eleven having a child that they name Will
Prediction: Eleven takes over the Mind Flayer. The same way Vecna uses his telekinesis/telepathy to control the Mind Flayer. The final plot to defeat Vecna and banish the forces of the upside down will involve Eleven setaling the Mind Flayer from Vecna.
Damn…
I think there will be three deaths, like eleven or Will (one or the other, not both though), possibly Steve, and maybe Murray.
wtf we have the exact same deaths. I just have Mike up there too
K so I would no shame cry over Murray.
@camiiiiii- me too
@@mcvcalvi like CRY
I think the ending which you told at the end of the video will happen but with a slight editing like Max will return instead of Eight , she will be in comma until the last episode where the final fight will occur and she will also have powers and then they will start playing Kate Bush's song "Running Up the Hill". Please like my comment if you like this ending 👇
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They might even show Eleven's mom coming up at the last as a hero too !
Will is going to sacrifice himself for the group
I’ve been saying that since season 4
I believe Mr. Clark’s tightrope walker theory ( from season 1.
I’m fine with 008 coming back but if she just randomly shows up in the last episode… that would suck
Max is definitely dying and then the director will play what was written in the letters in background which Max wrote for all.
If they do a time jump to them as adults I want Bill Hader to play Mike just to call back Ritchie from IT
Death predictions: Steve is about to die and Robin sacrifices herself (ep. 6 or 8), and Jonathan sacrifices himself for Will in ep 8
The best end is for her to sacrifice herself, but it won't happen since they already said they are making a spinoff that L will work for the government as an adult.
I will be devastated if Dustin dies!! The 2nd worst death or me would be Steve.
What happens if 11 create a whole entire different universe and then she put her upside down universe into that that but then that uses all her powers and then she dies sacrificing herself
Hopefully it ends better than the Blacklist, Peaky Blinders, and Ozark.
Not to burst your bubble but I feel like the ending you came up with is way too Marvel-esque. This is Stranger Things, I would prefer if the final fight was more grounded instead of just a generic Endgame like battle. I do agree tho that Steve will probably bite the bullet
feel like it is more interesting for jonathan to save steve
They’ve gotta give Steve the perfect ending plssss
Love the theory that 11 had to kill will because will tried to Mike and she ended up having to sacrifice herself, favorite one so far
Nah, the final countdown is too mainstream! The duffmen are too indie...hence the popular songs in every season are by the likes of the clash, joy division, Duran Duran, the cramps, souxie and the banshees, Kate Bush, Metallica, etc.
I think they kill Mike. Will and El snap out and go Super Sayain.
I’m just gonna say now it would be way too obvious if 11 died and there’s no way they’re gonna do something that obvious so I say Mike or Steve is going to die
Am I the only person who feels Noah is as boring in real life, as will is on the show.
if mike or will die i need my byler confession scene or i will not die happy. 😭😭!!!
I don't want either of them to die but as for the Byler confession I don't think it will happen but I can see Will coming out to Mike but Mike tells him that their relationship won't go beyond friendship because he loves El but he will totally accept Will for who he is and their friendship will be intact
Bro, that’s not leaving
I think, Jonathan Nancy and Steve are going to die
So picture this...and think about what theyve said, the ending hits hard and is very emotional.....ending goes like this..the party defeats vecna but the upside down keeps coming through to Hawkins. The party figures out they have to go through this time bridge from 1984 and the present. They send 11 back through with her mind and doesn't send Henry. But it comes with a catch,they don't remember anything. Not even 11. 11 does remember tho. Then the last scene,11 goes to school,sees the gang but is timid and Mike asks her to join...
I think Mike is going to die.
CONFIRMED BIGGEST LEAK .... JANE ELEVENS MOM IS VECNA'S SISTER 💀