Ask Dave: Dave Dunipace Q&A April 2020
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Dave Dunipace is co-founder and president of Innova Disc Golf. He designed the first beveled-edge, high tech disc specifically for disc golf in 1983 and every Innova disc since. He’s been instrumental to the growth of the sport as both a player and innovator.
In this April 2020 edition of "Ask Dave" he answers questions from fans including:
Getting distance w/forehand but struggling with backhand. Suggestions?
Tips for forehand-dominant player?
Tips for putting outside the circle?
How to stop throwing right on RHBH?
How can I get my throw to go straight?
Why are putters the best disc for beginners?
How do different plastic types affect disc flight?
What are good driving putters?
How do I keep the nose down?
Upshot distance control?
What are good mid-range grips and tips?
Why are putters the best for beginners?
What are good driving putters?
What are good mid-range throwing grips and tips?
As a beginner, what should I focus on most?
I can flick a fairway driver but can't do a mid-range at all. Any tips?
How do I decide what weight discs to buy?
How do I determine disc stability in the same mold given PLH, dome, wing, etc?
Disc selection in different wind conditions?
Review an underrated disc.
The best way to progress disc selections from beginner to intermediate?
How do I throw more accurate drives off the tee?
What's the best putter for a beginner?
I can flick a driver but not a mid-range. Any tips?
As a beginner, what should I focus on most?
Talk about disc selection for different wind conditions.
What's an underrated disc?
What's the best way to progress disc selections from beginner to intermediate?
How do I throw accurate drives?
What's the best putter for a beginner? 
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How about an In The Bag with Dave??? Such a class act.
This guy seems pretty knowledgeable he should start his own disc golf company i would buy his discs
A National Treasure right there, folks.
International treasure :)
We NEED more Dave. Like once or twice a month. Weekly would break my heart ❤️
johnnydarter stay tuned😉
@@InnovaDiscGolf we are waiting
@@InnovaDiscGolf yeah, still waiting on the pivot point forehand video. Dave seems like a man of his word.
We need a Dave Dunipace WITB.
A Godfather of Disc Golf, A True Legend of the Game. Thanks Dave for all you did for Disc Golf.
+1 for the Viking. When I started playing, the Valkyrie was my main driver. But then I started to throw harder, and the Valkyrie was too understable. I got a Viking, and problem solved.
Viking was my go to FH for my entire first year of playing. It's a great mold.
Dave you are a guy I would love to play disc golf with. I know my game would improve so much. Thank you for your wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge put to good use backed with experience!
Great perspective and advice from one of the legends of the sport!
Q: Describe your relationship with Jussi and Discmania after they decided to work with other disc manufacturers.
Respect to this great man! Fantastic breakdown in opening segment about forehand vs backhand.
Thx Dave! Looking forward to the pivot video.... I watch your technique videos over and over and over.
OUTSTANDING!
KEEP IT COMING!
CAN'T GET ENOUGH!
Thanks Dave and everyone at Innova!!
Very informative. Thank you, for answering our questions.
Great video! Would love to see more!
Thanks Dave. Very helpful.
Always great Dave.
Can't wait for the lower body episodes.
Until then, Ultimate Baseball Training: hitter and pitcher footwork- coil, load, stride, and unload.
One step power.
This is great! XT Colt has always been one of my favorites. Never tried driving a whale. The disc feels great in your hand maybe I should try that :-)
Thanks Dave great info!
Hey Dave! Love these videos! In these crazy times, I feel it may be necessary to ask a truly life or death question: What must one do to see a champion glow or even glow metal flake run of the polecat? The lid lover community would be over the moon for it, but beyond the nostalgia, this disc is a big part of my game! I max out at 530 with a driver and overthrowing shorter holes and approaches was often a problem before I found this disc in champion plastic. I use this as a driving putter and approaches from 350 in. Beyond the straightness, late turn, and antigravity, what I really love about it is that I can throw 70-100% which usually makes my throws more accurate. This is great for tunnel shots or holes with small landing zones. More than anything, this is just a fun disc to throw, and I wish I could buy more, especially in glow (or glow metal flake for a little more stability and glow rounds!) Again, life or death here! -- From the bottom of my heart: Thank you, for everything you do!
Really wish I watched this when I first started really good info here.
Can not believe I just found this.... But glad I did!
Best disc Q&A in many a moon :o)
The OG!!
in a distance driver mold i.e. the destroyer, can you speak to the variance in the amount of curve from the disc edge to the rim. it seems to be highly variable even within the same run of disc, definitely affecting stability more than most factors as I have experienced.
We need a Star Viking!!! Like yesterday, super underrated disc that just really needs a boost to get back on the radar
this is great
Thanks Dave. Do you have any suggestions on backhand drive hip movement and how to train it and what to pay attention to?
Love it! ©D
More Dave!
I’d like to know your picks for advanced players (I’m a 915 rated player)- especially fairway and distance (high speed) drivers! Thanks Dave, enjoy all your videos!
Thanks Dave! My Q is what was your first thought when you originally designed a disc other than no one made a golf disc and "it's for everyone "?
I'm really interested in the Champion Star blends. They're desired by pro's and amateurs alike. I have 2005 Special Blend Roc and 2006 Special Blend Orc that I want to know more about. The TeeRex X was a disc I liked but I believe never went into retail production. History on the Spider would be cool. The Hammer was one of my fave discs that got shelved a long time ago. The XD as well. Maybe a Q&A about fan favorite discs that are no longer in production. You can take a poll and do a countdown and talk about each disc.
Thanks Dave!! What is your suggestion for players on developing their mental game?
I started in 1970. We had Wham-os and tires sunk in the ground. I was hooked. 50 years this summer for me. I still play but love to spot for tourneys now. What was your first exposure?
Here in Eastern Iowa people are talking Polecats.....everybody is wanting a Star Polecat. I know Dave loves Polecats too!
I bag two Vikings. Superb disc.
I bag a 166 Dx Viking, at that weight if I throw it hard it turns easily... I like to throw hyzer flips with it for when I’m trying to get more distance and really mash on it. If I get enough hyzer on the release it flips up and rides a long way, at least long for me.
Talk about the Savant compared to other fairways in the past. Is it based off the Viking or is it supposed to be a Thunderbird-L?
I want to know if the Gibson guitar models had any influence on the names of the firebird and thunderbird? Thank's Dave.
How should we pick disks for high-altitude play? (Denver CO, 5000ft and up)
Question: What does Dave carry in his bag? Also, any advice for building a complete bag? There have always been too many discs for me to try them all. Many seem to overlap, and some don't do what I expected. I recently searched for a long anhyzer disc (RHBH), so bought a Krait and Tern to try instead of the Orc and Wraith I used with mixed results. I discovered my best long anhyzer disc (little to no flex) is a star Destroyer or Teebird. The Tern and Krait were fails. Then the Krait redeemed itself when I figured out I can make it change directions in flight...and fly a good distance in that new direction. But the catalog says it is a straight long distance driver...in my experience I can make them all fly straight...I can make an Ape fly straight....
fredy gump Dave did an in the bag a few years ago I think, or maybe it was just a round he played where he talked about what discs he was using on each shot. Can’t recall.
This is LOOONG but you asked a lot of questions so buckle up.
I think a “straight” disc refers to a disc that, when thrown flat (or hyzer flip to slight annie), produces a net straight flight. This means a huge S-shaped curve. So if the ape goes net straight for you when thrown anhyzer (goes and then fades back left to finish straight), what I would say is, well, duh. The ape, being overstable, will fight out of just about any anhyzer you put it on. Understable discs tend to turn right and stay there when thrown flat (and at appropriately high speeds for distance drivers).
If youre throwing the ape super flat and it turns over a little bit and then finishes straight, can I have your autograph, along with a video of the shot? Also, how far are you talking with that ape? Also, idk how far (or how much anhyzer angle) you are throwing a teebird or destroyer, but that sounds a little off unless youre pushing the borders of a roller with them.
To use the krait or tern to get huge distance, you’ll need to do a “hyzer flip” throw them hard, with a slight hyzer, and they should turn over to the right, and hold that angle for a while before finally fading back to the right. Also, give them a little height so they have space to fill out the flight pattern.
I’d sort out the above points before moving on to this point
On building a bag: basically, think of what shots you need in a round.
Putts, so you need your trusty putter (two of these if you play a lot so they dont wear in too quickly/have the money to burn)
Approaches, so you need mids. Pick one that goes relatively straight when thrown flat, and add a disc that’s more overstable and one that’s more understable. (That way you can throw all kinds of different shots.
Fairway drivers: same as mids, one you throw net straight, one more overstable, one more understable. Also, if you feel a need, you can add a fourth, super understable disc to be used as a roller.
Distance drivers: this is very varied for some people. I’d say take your favorite, net-straight-when-thrown-flat driver, and go one barely more overstable, one very overstable, one more understable, and one much more understable that you will throw rollers with. Also, consider adding a second level of drivers that meet the criteria (one straight, one understable, one overstable) at a lower speed if you feel you arent getting the distance control you need.
Utility discs: these are your rollers (my absurdly beat in wraith and my brother’s mamba that I borrow), your crazy overstable discs (mine is my champion ape) , your discs for overhead shots (although sometimes your usual discs can be thrown overhead well, mine is that ape again) anything that you can throw with hyzer and expect to finish with anhyzer for emergency crazy shots (I use my wombat3 and wraith) stuff like that.
Also, if you have a course requiring short drives, try and pick up an overstable “throwing putter” like an aviarx3 or a rhyno.
Also, Paul McBeth used a nova as his throwing putter for understable putter drives, so there’s that. I like it for push-putts.
My bag:
XT nova
Star Wombat3 (this needs to be max weight), understabel/straight
Champion Roc3, straight/overstable
Very very beat in GStar wraith (throws like a mamba or roadrunner or other understable disc, just fades like a wraith)
GStar Boss (this is my straight driver, beat in a little bit)
Champion Ape (crazy overstable, great for flex shots, getting out of trouble, overhead shots, etc.
Notably absent: any kind of fairway driver. I had a Champion TeeBird, l loved it to death until I lost it. I can power down on the wraith or boss, or power up my midranges to get the shots I need on my extremely wooded home course (I can drive every hole with a midrange if I wanted to.)
What's the mold difference between a Classic Aviar and an Aviar P&A?
I am an old ball golfer who switched to disc golf four years ago. I am getting it but still a little confused about a few things. I noticed in your Tip of the Whip video that you were curling your wrist a lot when you were demonstrating the reach back. I have two questions, both having to do with spin: how much should I curl my wrist around the disc on the reach back; and how much emphasis should I place on generating spin? I'm over 60 and can throw it backhand between 350 and 400 (max), so not terrible but always looking for more. As a ball golfer you tend to want to avoid pressure in your index finger when you swing and hold on with the others, but that doesn't really work in disc golf and I think I'm strangling my disc on backhands.
Can you please tell the story about champion edition plastic and why its in such high demand
What discgolf/frisbee event over the years was your favorite and why?
I've been playing for a few months now, and I definitely struggle with putting. I have the starter kit 150ish Aviar, and I really don't like how it feels. It's so light and vague on the release, so I think I need to move to something else but there's so many options. I think I like a bead, but mostly I just want recommendations for heavier, consistent putters that would be good for an early intermediate player. Thoughts?
The Viking is my favorite disc why can't we get it in Star plastic
Ody B The demand isn’t there. Ask the Factory Store, ya never know 😉
Understood.... Start campaigning for more vikings to be thrown!!😂😂😂
Love the Viking! Thankful they have current champ runs, they’re money!!
best way to imporve your sidearm?
Hi Dave, Can you speak to the importance of consistancy versus distance when driving?
Consistency is more important unless your distance is accurate.
Or your fairway is a wide open field.
How should your hips, shoulders, arm, and wrist work together to get the best snap and distance?
Jacob Huey the man who figures this out will have the greatest forehand ever. Ask Eagle McMahon?
My question is this, is the Shark 3 getting replaced by the new Lion? If so, I know what to get for my next midrange, when my Champion Shark 3 both die eventually as Champion is a very tough material.
I never liked the Shark mold true midrange purposes due to the putter like glide. I could if had to use the Shark mold and the Shark 3 was gone and a Lion was gone too. I use the Shark mold more for putt throws from 30-40 feet to approach throws distance of ~55-75 feet, then for short midrange out to max of ~105-110 feet , windy day putter, and driving putter slot. I use a .last run of Pro at ~175 grams from early 2014 worn to fly more micro OS but straight more for wind putts and straight approach to short midrange and then Star ~175 (with 2 backups at same weight) for mega windy putts, more OS approach to short midrange and driving putter slot.
In my mind since 2014 when I started using the Shark mold more, I am convinced that if person were to use one mold and only one mold the standard Shark in a few plastics a DX for putting and Star/G-Star for everything else would be that mold, it can do everything. It is a semi-underrated mold often written off as a beginner only mold or for those who can't use beaded midrange but want a ROC like disc or those who can't use such an OS disc like the ROC for midrange as if these mostly Innova throwers think the ROC is the only beaded midrange that You Dave Dunipace make for the Innova lineup. I just can't use a ROC due to the bead on the that wing shape, where it is place, makes for a disc that is uncomfortable in the hands.
The Lion is a really good mid-range
@@InnovaDiscGolf thanks, I will be using my Shark 3 still until they wear out in 7-10 years, as that is nearly the same flight disc from what I have seen. then I get a Star, as that is the flaw of the Shark 3, not made currently or when I got my Champion in Star. I like more grip to my midrange discs to have some better control that those larger diameter midrange lack.
With the seeming rise in demand for champion edition plastic, could you there being a run for new champion edition discs sometime in the future?
lol
Dave says don’t sling the disc, snap it. So keep snapping those discs.
TedTube Making Friends lol, @Brodie Smith I see you
Follow the disc release from your thumb to the target? Hmmm
I happen to think that the Leopard is the greatest mold ever produced. Can you talk about the development of that mold, and how/why it came into existence?
I have a leopard3 and it's super useful in the woods and for standstill fareway shots where you may have footing issues for a run up. Probably will always be in my bag.
any chance of bringing back the Monster into the official arsenal? plz
gold
What advice do you have for “older intermediate” players looking for more distance. Topped out at 320’ about 5 years ago at 50 years old. Now can rarely throw more than 280’ at 55. Had a goal of 350’ but feels like a battle with time (age) now...
Most people will definitely decline with age, there is not much you can do to fight that, except stay active with disc golf and maybe hit the gym to keep yourself fit. A good stretching routine will help keep your ligaments a bit more fresh for the course. What do you use for drivers?
I'd say watch some driving technique videos. It is all about technique, more than strength. I'm coming back to the game myself after a bunch of years off, and I'm re-learning everything. I'm focusing on rotating my shoulders through the shot and into the follow through...it's all about that "snap" as Dave says. I believe Dave throws ~375, and he probably isn't too far from your age.
Johne Mccray is around 50 and throws 550 plus.
Check out Danny Lindahl’s videos on the “Power Pocket”. The way I describe it is lead with your elbow, and keep your hand outside the disc. This winds you up to get that snap dave is talking about.
What do you think about the current state of disc golf and the disc golf community
Play catch with an ultimate disc throwing only forehands. Half an hour later you'll be able to flick any putter smooth and flutter free.
Hey Dave, why did y'all stop making the Gremlin? Bought a bundle of used discs few months back on facebook and came across it. One of my top midranges but wish I had a few others for backup.
Interest waned.
Discmania still makes them. It's often called GM
F2s are available at the innova factory store right now.
2:20 shoulder in front of point of body rotation is another common error
I’m a college baseball pitcher who just picked up the sport about 6 months ago. Because of my background I can throw forehand shots around 350ft with a Firebird and 375ft with my Boss on average. What absolute max distance forehand driver would you recommend getting that can get me consistently in the 400ft+ range?
Brett Huff Pro Boss
Dave: Boss is a good choice for max distance. Check out Alex Russell's form throwing the forehand Boss.
You could try something very slightly more understable, like a shryke, or something faster (cant recall the names of the 14 speed drivers, firestorm?)
I have a hard time using a Roc3 for my forehand/sidearm shots, they tend to flip over too much (even when thrown smoothly). Does this mean I am trying to do too much with a midrange and should just club up to a TeeBird, or should I try a beadless midrange?
Also, I sometimes find it hard to get a clean release with my midranges (wombat3 and roc3) and I think it might be that I’m not yet used to the bead. This only exacerbates my problem with turning the disc over. I have no issues with my wraith or boss on forehand throws.
Now on to the positives:
I absolutely love my Wombat3 for backhand shots, I can do so much shot shaping with it (soft for straight, hard for flippy flight patterns). Super glad I picked one up!
I’m also still loving my Wraith and Boss that I have been throwing for a while now. The Wraith (GStar) is so beat in it flies like my brother’s Star Mamba 😂 but I still love it for what it does.
A Roc3 is plenty stable for forehand shots, but you're right, the bead can make it difficult to get a clean release. I carry a DD Fuzion Verdict and a Star Caiman which are both excellent beadless midranges for forehand shots.
It sounds counterintuitive, but you might also try throwing slightly nose-up. I am not a great forehand player but this seems to help me make a much cleaner release. While it doesn't yield the same distance, I get a much more consistent hyzer finish that way, which is what I'm looking for. Not too many people have the skill to comfortably hyzer flip midranges on a forehand shot.
You need a more stable midrange, try a gator or caiman they won’t flip over.
Dave: Work on improving your form, consider a RocX3 for more off-axis torque resistance. Work on a cleaner, quicker hit with your forehand.
I started loving my forehand last year and still loving it this year. I can agree with Dave on you have to accelerate and give it that snap. And also, convince yourself you don't need to throw it as hard as you think. Doing those thing really helped me finally develop a forehand.
RocX3 is definitely a good one for it, but you do have to get used to the bead
Caiman is stable to 70 m for me and easy to shape. RocX3 is stable and flies straight, but it needs some hyzer after certain release velosity. I like going to fairway drivers after 70 m.
I throw 300 ft consistently and don’t throw any disc above speed 9 because I am still new to the sport. I see people throwing S shaped flight patterns for max distance. How do I throw an S shape and what disc would you recommend me getting?
Beefy Roadrunner FTW
G Star Leopard. 150-165 gram discs help with getting a flex shot too.
Roadrunner/sidewinder are both great discs, I have a buddy that throws about 300’ as well that loves both of his.
I personally have a super worn in GStar wraith (great overstable disc, becomes very flippy after about a year of tree-sniping) that I can throw about 350 on a huge S-curve without much effort. You could pick one up now, and use it as your “go-left” disc for getting around corners and out of trouble, and as it wears in you will grow as a player enough to really enjoy it. When youre new to the game, try and get discs slightly above your skill level so that as they wear in and you improve, you’ll come to love them (wear them in rather than wear them out, if you get a disc thats easy to throw now as soon as you hit a few trees it is almost worthless)
Please bring back the DX Spider. I miss that disc.
It's currently on the innova website, presumably you could find them on the factory store or online somewhere.
Dave, if you could pick a dream card (4) of current pros (inside the top 50). Who would they be?
Dave: Paige Pierce, Catrina Allen, Eveliina Salonen and Henna Blomroos.
Can you talk more about getting spin on a disc? I've always thought that spin is just as important for getting distance as arm speed. Also, every time I throw a shot with lots of spin the outcome seems much more consistent, meaning it does what I wanted it to do. Just how important is spin?
Spin is vital! If you check out danny Lindhal (spelling?) on youtube, he talks a lot about the “power pocket”. In summary, leading with your elbow and keeping the disc between your hand and your body will allow you to get tons of wrist snap and spin naturally (you wont need to throw hard for this). Forehands inherently generate less spin than backhands, so you can turn discs over more easily, but less consistency in the throw.
Think about a gyroscope (google it) one that is spinning is very stable. One that is not isn't at all.
Snap!
Y’all are all giving good reasons for why spin is important, but now we gotta tell the guy how t get there (thats what I tried to do with my comment)
@@jacksonpalmer8955 Thanks Jackson. Any more input on how to put this into a practice routine would be awesome. I get much better spin on my forehand than backhand. I wonder if this has to do with the fact that I use a 2 finger grip on my backhand. It feels a lot more comfortable than a full power grip, but I feel like it may be robbing me of spin as well as angle control. I use a 3 finger grip on my shortish midrange drives, seems to give me more control.
How about a current "in the bag"
Can you get on an interview with Joe Rogan???
Has he tried DMT?
2:27 if you're throwing around your body instead of in a straight line then the release point gets much less predictable. could be another reason.
5:02 have you looked into the wing the way that one guy looked into like 25 ricky star destroyers? In my experience, a domey disc has more glide but dome/flatness doesn't determine stability, whether the wing is concave, straight or convex does.
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Create great media, compete frequently with Innova gear.
Are disc shapes patented?
Q: Climo vs McBeth both in their primes. Who take it?
ask dave
What is your favorite Innova disc ?
Q: How do you feel about Paul McBeth leaving Innova, do you regret letting him go?
Dave: We didn't let him go. He chose to leave. I wasn't happy about that.
Innova Discs was it a disipute, or was he just looking to try something new/y’all wanting to go a different way than he did? (If youre willing and able to discuss)
Dave has so much knowledge and is dishing out some nice info here, but these questions..... they are horrid. Luckily Dave was able to make his answers interesting to those dull questions.
Been too long
My question for Dave: What’s it like to be part tortoise?
THROWING TIPS? What.. Lets hear those stories about discs from disc manufacturer, not form and technique. Totally lost opportunity.
It’s a shame this guy is the leader of innova. Guys for normal tips that you can use without being 60 check out dynamic disc tutorial videos they are amazing. I remember one video I saw this guy say something about not having to reach back on the tee off 😂