Why the Ukraine No-Fly Zone Won't Ever Happen
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@@markqqq_ yes
This reminds me of the time when a US congressman asked a general why they can't just take full control of Syria's air space, and the general had to embarrassingly explain that simply taking over Syrian air space like that requires them to go to war with Syria and Russia.
It's also a reason why Hillary Clinton lost. Part of her platform was to create a no-fly zone over Syria. Trump responded with something to the effect of, "You have to enforce it. That leads to war, and the people here don't want war."
The Russians moved on Ukraine because Ukraine has no military alliance and will never be admitted into the EU or NATO as long as it's an active conflict zone. There is very little to gain here for the Europeans while the Americans run their mouths on the other side of the ocean. Enforcing a no fly zone is guaranteed to unleash WO3 which will result in nuclear war. This is a no win situation for everyone involved.
fyi US is still in Syria- LMAO.. Russia cant do shit... and Europe just sits on the side line like a goodboy and waits for the US to tell it what to do--
Name of that congressman, General? I need that Video
Good thing the US has generals like that to make those big decisions and not the idiotic congressmen.
Here's the thing, some of those polls also asked the question in ways that explained the implications. When people were asked if they supported the no-fly-zone even if that meant directly going to war with Russia the numbers drop off dramatically. Same question asked by/of the same people at the same time received drastically different results when asked with different wordings.
That's true, but it only reinforces the point - people are unaware of the implications and need to be told how the world works.
Totally agree most people don’t look at the aftermath. They hear something sounds good and get behind it without research. If majority of the people know that a no fly zone would cause ww3 they would not get behind it.
Yes, it is completely true, the fact is that many people do not know what the terminology "no fly zone" really means, and a large number actually think that the point is to pass a law that the other side will automatically have to respect. But that is far from the truth. I personally think that this would inevitably lead from local war, in Europe, to WWIII overnight.
@Russian Waifu Russia should give up and become a civilised nation.
exactly
Even though we're so far away, we're still only one country away from Ukraine....
cherish friendly ties with neighboring nations, comrades, because you'll never know when it's gonna end and turn for the worst
Wise words, thank you Mr Un
@@toocrowdedatthebottom1209 Mr Kim. East Asian names have the surname first and the forename second.
Thank you mr. Simon, I didn’t know that!
A lot of ppl are ignorant of what a no fly zone actually is and I’m glad this is informative.
Pretty sure if someone is supporting a no fly zone over Ukraine, they know the stakes. Even today, as horrible images of the Russian massacre in Bucha comes out and reports of chemical weapons being used and children refugees being kidnapped and raped by Russian soldiers, I think it’s time we step in and end this. No matter the costs. We can’t leave Ukraine out like this. We are complicit in our inaction and cowardice for what’s happening too. What does it mean when the powerful America just stays by and does nothing in the face of evil? Our founding fathers and American ancestors are rolling in their graves. They would never accept what’s happening now, seeing a European dictator murderous regime steamroll a fledgling Europeans democracy.
"poll after poll across countries western Europe has consistently shown very low support in the general western European public for a no-fly zone over Ukraine. However, the same can not be said of the American public"
Thankfully it would appear the Americans did become more and more informed over time, and luckily we have a far more rational US government in power presently.
The answer is simple. US & NATO fears with Russia. They can just do it in middle east but not Russia.
@@Brevard1986 😬😬😬 "people more informed"?? and "we have a rational governement" are you out of your mind? our news here in America is 100% propaganda! we are supporting Azov neo-Nazis in Ukraine and almost no one here is aware of it! This news is just lies here! Washington d.c. has send billions of dollars of weapons to these Neo-nazis to prolong this war as much as possible so we can weaken Russia. Washington doesn't care about Ukraine, only weakening Russia. We destroyed Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libyia, and so many other countries in the past 20 years and killed over 11 million civilians in these countires and the news is all on "Russian genocide". Washington d.c. is not represented by the people and I would not doubt a civil war coming here soon. I am tired of my taxes dollars being spent like this.
@@Brevard1986 I do wonder whether Trump has spoken his own views regarding the No-fly zone.
It was not enforced in Syria out of fear of confrontation. Enforcing it in Ukraine would mean a direct fight between Russia and the other countries enforcing it without doubt.
We should do it. What's Russia going to do about it?
@@levyroth World War 3
@@levyroth Respond with nukes
@@levyroth have a guess
Russia is also a nuclear armed country, while Syria is not.
Threat assessment has to be considered here.
Most Americans sadly think a NO FLY ZONE means we can just pick up the phone and tell Putin to stop. The lack of basic historical & political education in my country always bothers me.
Well there's lots of sheeple in the United States now. It's becoming bigger and bigger problem now because they're letting people take away their rights
That's why they vote for Republicans. Because they're ignorant.
The answer is simple. US & NATO fears with Russia. They can just do it in middle east but not Russia.
Yeah, Americans don’t really understand geopolitics unless they specifically study it directly or through history, because they are surrounded by fish and don’t have the need to understand maps outside of the US sadly. When a country like Armenia, Yemen or Ukraine makes a mistake on the world stage the repercussions are huge and immediate when the US makes a mistake they can make like ten more and not get immediately punished on their home soil, you know barring nuclear war.
@Ahhh yes EXACTLY! People are too emotional to think clearly. No wonder that democracy is the worst form of government to rule by
Poll: 60% of Americans want a confrontation with Russia
Also Poll: 60% of Americans think chocolate milk comes from brown cows
really not sure what people arguing for the no fly zone are thinking. Putin would not want to look like a pushover after acting as the aggressor, so there's no doubt he would ignore it, in which case you have two options, either A, NATO fight to defend it and make the war worse, or B it doesn't get enforced, in which case it's back to square one but everyone is slightly more pissed than before.
I like how you have a typo saying worst instead of worse. Because: yeah it wouldn’t just be worse but the worst war ever seen probably
When Putin invaded Georgia he pulled out when Bush ordered Navy and Army assets close to the region. In Syria Putin did many terrible things and finally Trump hit a Syrian airbase with a cruise missile strike and then had special forces help the Kurds kill over 600 russian mercenaries - and then Putin stopped committing war crimes in Syria. Any time someone stands up to Putin he like any other bully backs off.
As a Ukrainian, I always felt like asking for no fly zone was part of negotiation strategy of "asking for impossible and getting the maximum" out of sympathetic countries.
Those who support no fly zone are thinking that WWIII is at this point inevitable (or that it has already started). Russia generally prepares their public in advance for things like that. Last year Putin published his essay stating that Ukraine is not a country and Ukrainians are no distinct people. Before Crimea takeover there were public discussions about, well, taking Crimea. Currently Russian propaganda states that all Ukrainians are Nazis and must be punished (intention for genocide which is supported by monstrous Russian actions in occupied Ukrainian territories) and, more interestingly, that the "real Nazis" are the West, that Russia is building "new world order" and their goal is an "open Europe from Vladivostok to Lisbon." Combine that to their initial demands of NATO returning to its 1997 borders - basically, abandoning Central and Eastern Europe to Russia - and the final picture seems grim indeed. Ukraine is not the goal of Putin. It seems it is just the first step.
If NATO - Russian conflict is inevitable (which may as well be if one of the sides, Russia, is willing to gamble on it), doing everything to stop Russia in Ukraine is logical, even at the incredibly high cost. I'm not saying that WWIII is inevitable. I'm just saying there might be logic behind advocating for no fly zone even knowing the risks.
If it escalates as a result, that would be Putins fault for ignoring the no fly zone.
In short: the no-fly zone wont happen because that means ww3
I'm thinking Russia is trying to goad the Americans into it ! that's why they started killing civilians
Yup
Zelensky: Give me WW3!
thank you Hero for the TL;DR
Yeah that's why my dad and I said if we established a no fly zone that means WW3. So we are against doing that.
Long answer: This video
Short answer: Nobody wants a world war 3
Except Russia
@@SpiritofNature Russian would get the worse out of it, why would they want ww3?
@@maximilianodelrio everyone willl lose
Except Zelenskyy it seems ( I understand why he wants no fly zone, I'm not Russian bot)
@@SpiritofNature Why'd they want a war just to weaken themselves? If they wanted a world war, They wouldn't care if NATO kept expanding, and they would've likely taken the baltic states already. Wanting to secure your position by invading another country is far different from wanting to start a larger war.
This looks incredible! Thank you for taking us along with you!
Once poll-takers get the explanation of what a no-fly zone is and what it would lead to, they swith their answer to "no".
Im not so sure. I get the reason we can't have one over all of Ukraine but it feels like we should be able to establish it in some area of Ukraine without having to attack Russian air defenses.
@@hadeees Did you just miss the video? You can't establish a no-fly zone without enforcing it, and that means nuclear war, does not matter if it is whole Ukraine, or part of it. How dumb are u
@@hadeees Why would we do that? Militarily entering Ukraine in anyway just opens up the potential for an incident that leads to war with Russia. Keep supplying Ukraine with weapons and strategic advice, but this is their fight not ours. If we (NATO) wanted it to be our fight, we would have admitted them into the defensive alliance.
@@hadeees Like the wars in the Middle East and North Africa , only we, Europe, will feel the crisis. Nope, don't start that, giving Ukraine javelins is enough.
Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago there was a poll where Americans were asked if they would support a US military campaign against Agrabah and a majority was in favor of that campaign - the thing is: Agrabah is the fictional state from Aladdin.
The US really shouldn't base their foreign policy on public opinion because a large part of the public are idiots.
Why on Earth are we polling the public for a No Fly Zone?!?! That is absolutely the kind of drastic decision I do not want to be decided by the general public but for military experts who know what that would mean. Taking that to a public poll is utter insanity.
Look at Brexit!
The experts said the housing market was fine.. just before it crashed.
Polls are done on everything, and have nothing to do with policy lol. Thermonuclear war is typically not decided via polls 😂
It was just a social experiment. The US would never enforce a no-fly zone just because the public wanted it.
And here lies the problem with democracy.
R.I.P To all who have died and Hope all civilians stay strong in these though times
Hope Ukraine is able to hold out
@@USSAnimeNCC- in my opinion surrendering then fighting guerrilla will cause less damage to infrastructure, civilians and will be easier cus guerilla is most effective and Russia would not be able to hold out... I know its much complex than just this but no problem in guessing
R.I.P To all who have died because of Usa invasions and war(killed millions)
Usa do war in order to maintain peace😂
Sell most weapons for peace
Civilians: yeah its the ukrainian army
They load their weapons
Civilians: ohhh noooo its the ukrainian army
I am reffuring to bucha and kramatorsk which if you actualy look into all the clues they dont point towards russia
@@homingmissile5459 but that would give Russia full control over the Ukrainian government. It would eliminate the democratically elected government and replace it with a Russia-friendly government. The Ukrainian army also could not protect the civilians anymore so Russia would probably execute lots of civilians after every guerrilla attack.
This channel is one of the most objective American channels on the entirety of this platform, much support ❤️
This is the best, literally the best, evidence as to why populism or “poll-based policy making” is such a terrible idea.
Democracy is a stupid idea in general when the majority are morons. Works fine at the county and state levels when that's not usually the case, not so much for national or international levels when it often is.
Exactly ! I am sorry, but the average Joe or Jane is most likely either ignorant or cannot grasp the nuances of various problems. Be happy our elected governments have qualified people to deal with these issues for us. “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” - Winston Churchill, Former PM of the UK
That's why democracies around the world are representative and not direct.
@@Astuar Even then, representatives are far too often painfully ignorant for the role they are expected to perform. The best kind of elected representative know what they know and what they don't and seeks the guidance of subject matter experts.
still prefer a mixture of both, where the politicians are tasked to inform the public what the said policies/proposals mean, with more of these direct democracy stuff used on domestic issues, rather than international issues
Just a slight correction. Turkey is not a “NATO ally.” It is a NATO member-state. Otherwise, very insightful video.
Well, as long as you hate Soviet Communism, you are a NATO ally
I wrote a book where Turkey is kicked out of NATO.
@@westerncentristrants525 America really doesn’t want to be in nato
@@cooldudecs You mean the Tea Party doesn't...
@@westerncentristrants525, you realize how uncontrollable Turkey would become if kicked out of NATO? If it already behaves like this, being a full-fledged member...
RLL. Thank you for your time and effort in making this video possible.
@Russian Waifu How much land did the US annex in Libya?
@Russian Waifu What foreign terrorist organizations does Ukraine fund and support?
@@Straystar1235 How do you annex land not next to your own? and Ukraines Azov are a bundle of n.a.z.oi groups, even the BBC will tell you that.
I said this from day one and was called a Russian supporter by my liberal friends and my Facebook posted was censored. All for saying we shouldn’t risk nuclear war to support a country which 4 years ago we said was the most corrupt in Europe and was killing its own people in a civil war.
This just shows how good the world has had it with with Pax Americana, the period where the US has been the most powerful nation in the world. Imagine if China or Russia had been the most powerful nation in the world. Things would be a lot worse
Big respect to you and save the children man!
Thank you RealLifeLore for letting the people know the implications of the no-fly-zone. The conflict in Ukraine sucks but WW3 sucks harder.
Communism killed 100 million 😠
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What’s that coat of arms there?
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@@indiasuperclean6969 Isn't that a bit mean? Ukraine should be treated as a free and sovereign nation!
@@zeknight4352 The government definitely does not have enough money. We're trillions of dollars in debt and spending like crazy. but yea they could.
You can see the progression of people in the U.S. learning what a no-fly zone actually is, and what enforcing one would actually mean.
The poll kept going down and down and down. I'd like to see numbers now.
I'm tired of hearing about all this help the poor little Ukrainians nonsense. Collecting billions of dollars for them . What about helping the need and the homeless in your own countries your own people and citizens . Bunch of hypocrites.
Yeah. They don't have the stomach for it. Direct confrontation with Russia means the nuke scene in T2 will be a reality.
@@jessyhuno5087 so, you have no problem with genocide?
@@jessyhuno5087 the world is like the blm house analogy except everything's burning
Zelensky knows he's never going to get a no-fly zone. He calls for it as a negotiation tactic, so he can get more aid in other things. It's quite smart really.
I disagree, I think he genuinely thinks he can trick some western countries into doing a no-fly zone. Zelensky is a smart man and knows what a no-fly zone would entail, but doesn't seem to care that Moscow and NY city could end up getting nuked in the process. I like everything Zelensky has said and done, but his request for a no-fly zone makes him look bad. He would be more productive if he spent more time asking NATO to send him Jets, so that Ukraine could defend their own sky. No-fly zone means nuclear war.
Not really smart. Zelensky know they are losing and still sending soldiers to their death and putting civilians at risk, restricting men from leaving the country, forcing untrained people to fight so they are killed for publicity advantages and the such. He's as shitty a leader as he is an actor and this whole thing by him is just a role like in that tv show where he played a president. Not to mention he's a puppet for a billionaire financer with personal agendas and his regime is evil that actually does commit atrocities to ethnic Russians.it's not all just "Russian propraganda"...
Zelensky is a western puppet imo. If he had any power or smarts, this war would have been negotiated out of existence.
USA needs his rhetoric to justify proxy war for public here at home. But it's Ukraine, his country, that would be bleeding. :(
Idk zelensky giving me weird vibes
The man is the highest paid actor, with over a billion dollar worth of net worth and has a 38 or something million dollar mansion in NY
I love the way u tell about what's happening around the world 🌎 cuz u show us the MAP and u show us Clips 🇺🇸 of what ur talking about thts why to me ur channel will always be number 1 to me.
I'm in ireland and I have a Ukrainian child in my easter camp. It was nice of the school to help him recover from the war
🙂
I’m sure you have syrian and iraqi children as well and is as suportive. Love to you.
@@URCO70 and Afghan
@@URCO70 No they don't go to Ireland because it is a poor country. 😔
@@opinanlosjovenesrd3477 Ireland is a rich country and yes we have refugees from all over the world, including Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas.
The polls in the US just show how the world of many US Americans ends at their borders. Europeans who had war time and time again for centuries are a lot more aware of the relationships to other countries and how devastating a declaration of war could be to Europe.
Your right, But Europe has been the center of global conflicts before America was a thought in England's mind
I wish the US would stay in their borders. The world would be a much better place.
@@paddyodoors2757 ok boomer
Exactly they don’t know almost everything
If Ukraine loses, then Europe and NATO will fall. China, Arabs and India are watching. Arabs already refusing to follow America's requests to increase oil output
Thank you for explaining this clearly. I'm super sus about those polls in the States but I think because we've been fighting countries that can't fight back for so long it's given those who think we are invincible a big head and think we can just pick fights wherever we want and whenever we want. And to top it off, it's disrespectful to our armed forces to treat their lives as if were some plaything.
it’s more just a general lack of understanding of what these things entail. most people associate a no fly zone with civilian planes hence the polling.
Super easy to murder cave dwelling opponents.
Funny how the ideals of freedom melt in the face of an actual dicatator.
@@assaqwwq super easy ay? is that why they held out their influence in the mountains while operating out of caves? delusional.
God damn, I appreciate that sentiment. I don’t want to overshare, but I just got off the USS Truman, an Aircraft Carrier which is still operating in the Mediterranean as we had been since December. All I can really say is, I’m glad we didn’t initiate a no fly zone.
Look no farther than the Cold War to see the lengths the US and USSR went to avoid a direct confrontation with another nuclear power. Proxy wars have been fought for a long time(Vietnam, Korea, Soviet-Afghan, ect. now Ukraine) but that is still very different than a direct conflict. It is in everyone's, including Ukraine's, best interest to not escalate this into a direct conflict with multiple nuclear powers.
Tell that to the Moron Zelenskij who is encouraging this or other steps directly leading to WW3.
Don't make me laugh.
Putin just showed to the whole world that he (and China by extent) can do whatever they want and US will do sh*t.
Wonder how effective sanctions against cruise missiles? Ask any resident of Ukraine.
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I'm a lifelong U.S. citizen and resident, but I must say that most U.S. residents have no idea what they are talking about regarding foreign policy.
I'd love to see poll results if the pollsters required respondents to identify Ukraine on a map and (within a 5 year margin) identify when was the last time Ukraine was invaded.
It's easy to have strong opinions on subjects one has zero knowledge of and which you don't think will actually affect you.
Bet they'll bitch about gasoline prices, though.
Ignorance is bliss
It's easy to have strong opinions when evidence of war crimes and civilian casualties are plastered across social media. Or when nearly 8 million children are in danger. I don't want to see how far Russia will take this.
Lmao
Must support the current thing 🗿
Lol, dead on.
I just noticed this channel today and I've binged watched it all day. Fantastic stuff
scary how so many people don't understand what a no-fly zone is considering its self explanatory to anyone who knew where Ukraine was before March
I'm surprised this needs to be explained.
I understand why a no fly zone will be WW3. And sure hell don't want that to happen.
Corporate media and my Twitter tl are full of people begging for one.
some people are too emotional about it ( im not saying you shouldnt be, there are inocent people that die, but lets continue to use our brains and take the route that would kill less, even tho it might be cruel for ukrainians to be left alone)
It’s probably because the US has been very happy to declare a no fly zone over poor countries that they where they are busy “spreading freedom,” and saw no consequences. Americans back home have only seen a sanitised version of the war on the news, so they don’t see the real savagery and death that comes with war.
Im Twitter there are so many morons that want a no-fly zone so yeah it still has to be explained sadly
Yup, a poll showed that yeah, around 60% of people in the U.S. want a no fly zone. But when asked if they would want boots on the ground, which is what a no fly zone would inevitably lead to, it's almost flipped and around 60% of people don't want the U.S. to get involved. This was one poll by the way but I think it's very telling.
That poll is pretty flawed though and asked a very charged question with many false premises. The majority of the American public would support a limited intervention. One of the largest and main reasons Biden’s approval rating is in the gutter is because he cowardly retreated from Afghanistan and second, he’s letting Putin blow up Ukrainian civilians and gas them with banned chemical weapons. The American people want more to be done it shows, if they’re supporting a no fly zone in a supermajority. America is so divided right now, and no domestic issue gets more than 50% support. But helping Ukraine and defeating Putin’s war machine is something we could unite from the left to the right wing because the broader public agrees that more should be done.
Out of 400m people in USA how many voted in the poll? £2k? 20k?. That's not the whole American population ?
Probably no boots on the ground. Just them launching on us, us launching on them, and USA, UK, France, China and Russia destroyed.
@@yaqob3275 Yes Musa, that is how statistics work.
The answer is simple. US & NATO fears with Russia. They can just do it in middle east but not Russia.
Another consideration is that so far no fly zones worked when they were protecting citizens against *their own* government that tried to massacre them. Meaning somewhat equalizing the power between civilians vs. the military and not to help one military vs. another.
If you are talking about Libya? If you are then I'm not sure why you would post something you aren't educated about. That "no fly zone. Libya had hardly any planes and they were destroyed very fast resulting in complete air superiority. But it became clear this was a full on regime change operation. We supplied weapons and bombed cities to nothing. And now Libya is in a horrible state. It's ran by warlords and they have a huge slave trade now.
13:56 Was suprised to see my city Izmir so suddenly on the screen :)
You mean Smyrna ;)
@@Έκπληξηρυσός Whatever makes you sleep better LOL
No fly zone in Bosnia was relatively easy to broke due to mountain terrain and pilots being locals. I remember pilots flying litteraly over the roofs (in full meaning of those words) evading AWACS.
With waste plains of Ukraine no fly zone wouldn't be possible with current technology.
and then there's putins response to worry about
Love the videos great content keep it up! 👍
In america those researches are done wrong. there was one in which the researchers explained to the public what was a NFZ and only 30% approved.
I have a small criticism with the bit about Poland and its Migs at 13:04 - the plane you showed stock footage of is from the 1950s. The planes that Poland was offering Ukraine were Mig-29s, much more modern craft than what you showed. And part of the reason the US didn't agree to the trade was that the F-16s in question were already earmarked for Taiwan.
They going to send them to Taiwan because the year or two from now there's going to be a lot of problems in Taiwan besides Russia's winning the war regardless what the news media is trying to tell people.
Umm that's called a correction not a criticism
@@isukdik he didn’t explicitly state that the plane on screen was the plane he was talking about, so it’s an implication at most. So I’d still consider it a criticism.
THANK YOU for that video. You cannot believe how many discussions i had, especially online with people who shame all european governments for not enforcing a no fly zone.... They do not get all the discussed points or just say: "We should just risk the confrontation"....
We should just risk the confrontation. You don't get to pretend to be the world police for 30 years then decide to back off when its an enemy that can punch back.
@@JJAB91 we police weaker powers. We never policed Russia. You don't police other nuclear powers. You just stand shoulder to shoulder, each holding a gun to your own head, promising to shoot yourself and the other person by extension if you believe they will do something crazy.
We cause a nuclear war with Russia, it harms the entire species. I imagine the people in would prefer we not change the weather setting to nuclear winter over Ukraine.
@@JJAB91 Its hard to be the world police though when the world gets turned into a wasteland.
@UAE Emirates Yes. Exactly. We only police little baby nations. We don't risk a nuclear conflict with an actual power to protect those baby nations.
If you are not terrified of a nuclear exchange, then MAD as a concept needs to be revitalized
@UAE Emirates Nukes? Ever heard about that stuff?
A no fly zone over Ukraine is a stupid name because it would turn into a nuke fly zone.
Nukes thrown here and there, who is to blame, WAIT.
LETS BLAME GERMANY WHO HAD NO CONTRIBUTION.
@@laxmandutt1109 what the fuck is your problem?
Thanks for the information on the charity
I work at a crisis shelter for ukrainian refugees in the netherlands, even though quite far from ukraine. The stories and images these poor people sketch are horrible. Teenage kids who travel alone, because dad is fighting and mom is dead, most of their other family is dead or missing too. This is not even a rarity.
My deepest respect for ukraine and their people, may this needless suffering end asap!
Edit: since everybody is aggressively wondering why not “insert nationality”?
I work in crisis management and the crisis here is more the sudden amount of people coming here, rather then the tragic stories that come with them. Thats just something that you take home.
I assume every other conflict in any part of the world is just as horrible as this. Which makes this whole story even sadder.
Please be civilized when commenting, this is not a pissing competition of who has it worse.
why ukraine and not palestine? iraq? iran? afghanistan? all the african civi wars
@@Hakimgrr_ all human suffering deserves to end, wherever it is taking place. No one is saying 'only Ukraine'
Why do the optics of Ukrainian men staying behind to fight look leagues ahead of the Syrian men that came to Europe during that crisis. Is it the media or is it true?
We shud also think of the people killed by nato and USA in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen... Still ongoing.
Condemn them too and support them with ur time and money. Seems like only when the victims look like Europeans does Europe and Americans cry.
Think about the thousands killed in the donbas since 2014 by Ukraine Nazi AZOV battalion (who are now getting a severe beating by Russia in Mariupol)
Have u helped them? Or do you only cry and mourn who the west don't destroy.
Dear god...
They should think about making a no-mosquito zone
Especially now that it's getting warmer,
This one, should be universal and agreed by nato, russia, china. Everyone
@@Nafets-C Sparrows and frogs have entered the chat
RealLifeLore makes documentaries on random topics so interesting. Appreciate the hard work. 👍
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Thank you for providing the much needed context! I'm happy I found your channel a few weeks back. All the information was clear and concise. Thank you also for the charity efforts!
my name is Denys, im from Ukraine! i have subscription on nebula and watching your fantastic "modern conflict series"
thank you for the content and all efforts!
Keep up the good work!
I thought based on this explanation start that I don't know what a "no fly zone" is, than I listened and understood I understand basic English, basic logic and know history.
These videos are very informative! I know that you are unlikely to hear this, but my deepest thanks are with you for your work to provide entertaining and important information. Keep up the work, and our prayers are with Ukraine!
Reallifelore, you are a source of reliable information, and I thank you for this. You make all my days better :)
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Not only would a no fly zone would mean world war 3. It would also mean a nuclear war as well.
Good.
It's generally implicit that WW3 will be nuclear. For it to qualify for the title World War 3, a conflict would have to involve at least several world powers (and therefore NATO), both sides would have to be powerful enough to put up a good fight, and it would have to be total war until one side was completely defeated and occupied. It's hard to see how that could happen without involving nukes.
i doubt those people who voted “yes” knew the meaning of “no fly zone”
Right. It’s not as simple as “Russia no fly here uwu go home 🥺” and people don’t seem to get that. There are major consequences for implementing a no fly zone. I’m not fully-versed in war (not by a long shot) and even I have had to convince older family members why implementing a no-fly zone is a bad idea because they just didn’t get it. It’s almost embarrassing how wrong people are some times.
I really applaud you for the work that you're doing, sir. You give us unbiased facts, which are harder and harder to find these days, and when you see a chance to do good, you take it. May God Almighty bless you and your family. I just got a browser extension.
Unbiased? Calling this intervention an invasion is bias.
Browser extension lol
@@TheRatlord74 Intervention? What the heck are you even talking about. By all means, explain yourself.
@@JKM395 they intervened on behalf of the independent states of the DPR and the LPR due to the ongoing aggression that has been perpetrated on them for the last 8 years by the US sponsored coup government of Ukraine. Those are the unbiased facts you were looking for regardless of who agrees with them or not and unless you are will to die to change those facts then that is what they are.
@@TheRatlord74 HA! I assume you're Russian. If not, you sure have bought into their propaganda. The only thing Putin is doing is wrecking his country and Ukraine. Have fun with that.
Very informative video , many people nowadays just could not imagine the massive implications of actually going to war, it's saddening buts it's an necessary measure to protect the lives of many many more
So a no-fly zone is basically "you can't fly but we can fly"
You can't enforce a no-fly-zone without flying yourself so yes.
That is unfair
@@JessePinkmanv its war... its already not fair lmao
@@JessePinkmanv The only way to win a war is to make it unfair
No-fly zone means "If you fly your planes here, we'll shoot 'em down!"
The problem is, Putin won't just say: "Ok blyat, we don't fly over Ukraine anymore", so to _actually_ enforce the No-fly zone, NATO would have to shoot Russian planes down and *that* would be an act of war!
Since NATO doesn't want to be at war, they could only impose no-fly zones against countries that don't have enough military and diplomatic power to dare ignoring them & risking a NATO attack. But Russia isn't such a country.
this channel is absolute gold. Thanks for doing what you do
Best content on RUclips by far keep up the good work mate
As an ukrainian i really appreciate your message about helping kids from my country, God bless you and all people who donated and are helping our people in need!
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Very Good video Superb animation and well explained !
These people need to understand "No Fly Zone". They don't want war but the want a No Fly Zone, not realize it's actually an act of war.
I'm still onboard
@@CaptainMisery86 you'd die tho
@@CaptainMisery86 I take it you and all your family live in the arse-end of nowhere?
It's supposed to be an act of war. And I'm for that. Enough with the bullshit, let's get evil.
I dont care let WW3 start since the world is already doomed. Its a matter of time where Russia stabs NATO
That browser extension is a pretty smart idea
An alternative could be what Egypt did in Sinai in 1973. With the Egyptian Air Force destroyed in the 1967 war, the Egyptian army used surface to air missiles or SAMs to negate the Israeli Air Force in the first part of the war. Massive shipments of SAMs to Ukraine can do the same.
The US is sending patriot missiles, which essentially do just that. The same thing they did in Afghanistan decades ago to help shoot down Russian Hind helicopters. EDIT -- Ok I might be wrong...the US might be sending it to backfill another system that is being sent to Ukraine for surface to air support.
Nope. Russia would blow them up with hypersonic missiles that can't be shot down
@@Conundrum191 US won't send those patriot missiles to ukraine, they sold to taiwan. Yoou got your facts mixed
@@Conundrum191 which is good, and I think the Slovakians and other former Warsaw Pact countries are sending in S-300s. It’ll allow at least a measure of protection in heavily populated centers.
RIP Gaddafi
Yea, RIP indeed. May he rest in peace! Was a great man, who did great things for his country and was about to do a lot more for whole Africa.
Gaddafi was actually good.
Thank you for making this video! I'm so sick and frankly a bit frightened by the continued flippant discussion of a "no fly zone" as if were some UN resolution. I fear our collective peaceful bliss has tempered a puerile understanding of conflict that only grows ever-present in American society. But the peaceful hegemony we know cannot be taken for granted, it's an entirely manufactured state of affairs, as fragile as it is circumstantial. Lest we believe it to be immutable.
You can definitely tell a lot of Americans are so used to being free from any consequences of military action in foreign nations that they view this as practically the same as bombing insurgents in some fledgling state.
This just shows how good the world has had it with with Pax Americana, the period where the US has been the most powerful nation in the world. Imagine if China or Russia had been the most powerful nation in the world. Things would be a lot worse
@@AW-zk5qb
>Implying American Imperialism is a good thing
Just remember, support the petroldollar or you'll be overthrown, beheaded and your nation bombed into the stone age
But we're the good guys!
@@AW-zk5qb you mean how good Americans have it, right?
@@Scorch052 Your comment really tugged at me. I'm American & this is so damn true.
0:59 "The Russian Air Force possessions as many as 11 times as many fighters."
1:02 Procedes to show 9 aircraft.
Love that you're uploading so frequently on current issues lately, thanks RealLifeLore! ( Please consider holding Cardano - ADA )
I'm always suspicious of polls. I'm 66 years old and have never had anyone poll me. I don't live in the middle of the Alaska wilderness. I've lived in large and small cities. East coast, midwest and the south. Every television poll I've seen have always taken place in large cities. I believe pollsters are sampling only a small, consistent group and therefore do not represent the majority of the population.
Nah, polls are generally pretty accurate.
I'm polled about three times a year. I don't even participate in all calls. It's by phone and cell phone.
@@gviehmann im surprised people still pick up their phones on a number they don't recognize. I did the US census thing because I got an actual letter in the mail for it and was told they would do it again after like 6 months and I think I got another letter at that time as well.
@@gviehmann This is kind of what I see. Very few of the people I have known have been polled or have been polled once or twice in their life. Yet you and others have been polled many times. Whether the reason is geographical, political, educational, or professional in their choice - pollsters seem to pick a group of subjects and stick with them.
@@Spacemongerr Maybe they are or maybe they are not. It's just hard to see their reliability when they appear to be based on a small fixed group of society.
I don't know about y'all, but I'd like Fallout to remain a video game.
Air and sea launched cruise missiles would be violating a no fly zone, and as such - be shot down as well. You would not need to engage air and sea assets firing them, you just engage the actual missile itself while it’s in cruise to its target.
In fact, it is neither 100% possible, due to using jet-based 'Kinzhal' rockets, which reach the speed of 14000 km/h, and hardly possible to intercept without very complex AA systems.
I doubt lots of them is manufactured, but anyway.
@@mazurovyegor2783 that's not true, they are difficult to intercept but they can be shot down, hypersonics are harder per missile, but because they are so expensive there are less of them to do a saturation attack. Regular cruise missiles are shot down regularly by the Ukranians, NATO could swat regular missiles out of the sky relatively easily as they are about as fast as an aircraft. US and NATO ships carry air defense systems capable of intercepting ballistic missiles mid course, that's mach 13+. They can definitely down a kinsal, of course having destroyers so close to the Russian navy is not doable, you would need to sink the Russian navy, which again is just world war 3
Honestly militaries really put out so much propaganda, hypersonics can be destroyed mid flight, just like stealth aircraft can also be intercepted. It's just difficult to do so.
The answer is simple. US & NATO fears with Russia. They can just do it in middle east but not Russia.
@@duitk missiles from S-400, S-500 or S-550(which can hit satellites) are hard to shoot down. And a Russian S-125 just shot down a NATO plane. So you can only imagine what the others can do.
So what happens when Russians send in Su-25 attack jets and Hind attack helicopters. Does NATO wait until after they had dropped their dumb bombs, fired their unguided rockets, or shot their bullets to intercept those bombs, rockets, and bullets?
The commitment to match charitable donations at the end is truly inspiring. Thank you so much for your educational endeavors!!!
I think Americans sometimes don’t know that unlike to worldwar 2, the war can come easily to USA too with misseles or rockets. Americans never experienced war on their own ground
Actually, that myth is false. The Japanese invaded islands which belonged to Alaska, so we did experience war on our own ground.
@@williamsherman1942 hahaha Alaska. The polar bears are scared!
@@williamsherman1942 Alaska? who lives there?
people on twitter: "just declare a no-fly zone"
Let's just make murder illegal, so people stop killing each other!
1 View? On a RealLifeLore video??
This is as close to first as I'll ever get lol.
It would be interesting to see a video similar to that of your 'what if every stan country became one country' but with every country ending with 'ia' such as Croatia, Algeria, Tunisia, Syria, Latvia etc like the 'ia' empire and how it would function.
It would be led by Russia.
-Ukraine: help us!
-USA: omg, sending thoughts and prayers
-Ukraine: I'm serious, were dying out here
-USA: ok, trust me, I'm on it, [changes profile pic]
I mean we've been both training an equipping their military since at least 2014. So not as small as you make it out to be
A lot of Americans who watch CNN, CNBS and read NY times don't really understand what a No Fly Zone would mean. They have no idea just how bad a WW3 would be.
Sooo many people don't realize WW3 ends with no economy, no hospitals, no effective medicine, starvation on a global scale, basically every major city turning into a nightmare hellscape, no governments because they collapsed. No help coming at all.
It's funny how people think they have a right to opinions on subjects they know nothing about. They get carried away by their feelings, and so couldn't possibly make any sort of rational decision. This is how people blindly end up supporting the wrong things, leading us all into danger. It's a human characteristic that really should be condemned.
An additional theoretical point is that a no-fly zone would also stop Ukraine from using its drones, which have been one of its most effective weapons in this war.
Always informative, thank you.
Tbhi always confused when Zelensky is serious, or he's joking, or he's actualy challenging Putin to start a WW3 ong
He's neither serious or joking. He is deliberately demanding more than NATO can give (without starting ww3) so that he can get what he actually needs.
I don't remember where I read it but there is a quote that negotiations (and that is what this is in a sense) always start with unreasonable demands from both sides and are the negotiated down to an acceptable middle ground.
You do know that guy was a comedian right
Take a look at his mood swing. He is using all his acting skill. One day he is appealing to Nato, the next he is considered a peace deal. You can't ask for more weapon and support and also ask for peace.
Zelensky just recently brought a neoNZ into the Greeks parliament zoom call. Result, 80% of members did not show up and wrote in letters that they do not support "disgusting n.a.z.i.s". Man couldn't care less whether or not he starts ww3.
He is small hat
So probably gleefull for starting a world war
As a Polish man I feel ashamed of German and France political decisions which cause Russia to grow. it's all about money, even now - they still see Russia as a business partner. Slava Ukrainie!
After 19 years since the beginning of the invasion of Iraq, has the West forgotten this war?
The Iraq war is said to have resulted in 1 million deaths the difference is russia have weapons of mass destruction
A message to the future generations never make russia feel threatened
the difference between "looking dangerous" and "being dangerous".Russia
describes military doctrine as defensive military doctrine. With regard
to nuclear weapons specifically, Russia reserves the right to use
nuclear weapons: in response to the use of nuclear and other types of
weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies,in case of
aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the
very existence of the state is threatened.
The stat on deaths due to Iraq war is proven false. It is not based on an objective count.
Yes u explaned it good
Problem is that Russia is feeling threatened since the invasion of mongols and since then they became mongol empire by themselves and their "defensive" feeling of being threatened resulted in having the biggest land mass on the world. Result of poor Russia feeling threatened for last 1000 years.
Fuck off! Litterally anything makes Russia feel threatened! They are afraid of their own shadow! Countrys and people's should not be sacrficed for the fifis of a dying and decrepit, barbaric empire!
@@komerczka having 25 US biolabs, NATO troops in ukraine, and groups like Azov and Poroshenko bombing donbass since 2014 would make anyone feel threatened. If russia had biolabs and troops stationed in Mexico, would US be ok with it? hm not sure.
The fact this video had to be made is scary. The title could as easily have been "Why we don't bomb Moscow".
POV the people that don’t want the war to end to earn more money
Hi, I am from Ukraine. While your argument about No-Fly zone is reasonable, giving us planes and air defence could help significantly without involving NATO directly in the war. And by giving we also mean selling, cause no one would even sell those. And it's been already more than a month which could be used for training our people.
P.S. it's strange that in your animations Belarus is marked as neutral. Planes launch rockets from there every other day.
Your govt should buy it, not just get it for free bozo.
You know that that if NATO gives you heavy weapon for free,its like a big provocation for russia.And i dont believe your army is capable to buy that many planes to push back the russians.But still hope you get peace so fast as possible.
@@laxmandutt1109 Lmao, of course its about money.
They're using munitions made by my tax dollars, Fine by me.
All this stuff was made for our use against Russian tanks anyways.. We don't have boots on the ground but we're still accomplishing our goal.
Yea.... you ain't getting a bunch of multi million dollar planes for free to be piloted by month trained civvies. Lmao I don't think they could handle more than a G or two before blacking out and crashing those planes.
NATO counts Belarus as a non-belligerent in the Ukraine war. It's like how America, the UK and France technically weren't ever at war with Gaddafi despite bombing the shit out of Libya. They're supporting the Russian invasion but there are no Belarussian boots on Ukrainian soil......not that even that would necessarily make them a belligerent considering that America somehow occupies Syrian land despite never being at war with them.
Please talk about NATO 💩 carried out an aerial bombing campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia during the Kosovo War.
Let's talk why they did it?
The Dunning Krueger effect....
This channel has been an amazing and much needed source of reliable, realistic and accurate analysis in a sea of absurdist expectations and naivety. Americans seem to have completely lost the plot on anything related to this invasion.
Hypocritic nevertheless. White man dies, they glorify it. Brown man dies, it's a forgotten deal. I spit at this! Tfu!
@@focumQuarium For a lot of people, yes. Absolutely. They suddenly "care" because Ukrainians are Europeans. But the nature of this conflict has far reaching global consequences regardless of how people see Ukrainians and that is a very big part of why this seems to be more in the spotlight as other conflicts. Other conflicts like those in Yemen never had the threath of nuclear war attached to it. Should he not talk about this because other conflicts are also happening?
No fly zone would mean nuclear war. It’s not worth it. Things would escalate too quickly.
Breaks my heart to see little to no knowledge, westernize nations don’t even know what to do in this conflict, But The sad reality with these obvious areas is majority of the peoples civilians are barely educated within these areas. Another thing I'd like to add is 90% of peoples civilians in conflicts like these suffer the most it's a common fact it quite obvious too. Modern media doesn't show enough information for western population to be educated in the proper areas to understand anything whatsoever since.. It's usually just "Okay let's just state a lie on the internet, and make it into a news headlines and make easy money of this!" It's a primal example on how the 21st century is full of uneducated people, I feel people should for once in their lives sit down a take a look at the big pictures on what's actually occurring.
Without wars, what will Lockheed Martin do 🤷🏻♂️
@@NotShowingOff Yes, Lockheed paid Putin to invade Ukraine. Makes perfect sense
Putler is to blame. He gave specific orders to execute all civilian Ukrainian men in Bucha
@@electricant55 why are so many countries outside of the European countries against how the USA conducts this?
The USA doesn’t want to stop wars. The USA doesn’t really want to stop this war. The USA is whining because wars have to start and stop on its terms and nobody else’s. And everybody notices.
your comment does not make sence and is grammatically incorrect
From the US, every time I hear someone talking about implementing a no-fly zone, I ask them "you realize that is the road to WW3, right?" The rhetoric usually dies down pretty quickly. It is a damn tricky situation. Europe kept Ukraine out of NATO thinking it would prevent this kind of war in Europe. That strategic miscalculation has hamstrung international ability to aid Ukraine, so I'm certain that absolutely nothing beyond sending aid will occur in Ukraine. It must fight Russia alone and Putin seems willing to accept the horrendous casualties that implies. Europe's "spirit of Helsinki" has led us to the edge of WW3 where now we must watch a once prosperous European nation burn.
Doesn't help that the US helped instigate that one coup that ended up kicking out the Russian puppet. That then caused the annexation of Crimea in retaliation. Then the west kept dangling the carrot for Ukraine to further integrate into the West more, as if Russia was going to accept happening on their doorstep. It sounds like it is their version of the cuban missile crisis and instead of waiting for that to happen, they pre-emptively took action. This has been building up for a greater part of the last decade. If the west was actually serious, they would have an emergency secret meeting and fast tracked Ukraine into NATO overnight after Crimea got annexed. Then they could have dared Russia to invade Ukraine and blindsiding him.
i think it actually could be better if russia just took control of the country in a few days, to prevent too many casualties and people suffering
Europe condescending attitude towards Russia brought this mess, they had the chance to improve their relationship with them after the Soviet union collapse and they didn't.
@@slandgkearth And the energy addiction. Merkel and Germany bet the farm on Nord Stream 1 and 2 and lost, refusing to budge until this second invasion. Can't forget, this is the SECOND invasion. Where was this European unity in 2014? Drunk on Russian energy and blind optimism that Putin would get better in time or just conveniently go away. He didn't.
Hmm ithink butin(putin) looks in far ahed in time beacose if ukraine were to join nato this will negate anything that russia will want do do in future in order to bring back ther former glory and just intresting fact china will be winner of this crisis beacose they werent intrested in any war for now and while wesr and russia is destroying them selfs who ever wins it will be so cripling that china will be best at the end
Sounds of sirens first time since the WW2? What about Donetsk and Luhansk which kept hearing these sounds for the last 8 years, huh? That's also Ukraine, ain't it?
Shush Ukrainian warcrimes don’t exist.
@@Phantom-bh5ru they do actually, while they are thought to be Russian, but once they turn out to be Ukrainian, they are immediately forgotten - hello Kramatorsk (already) & Boucha (in process).
@@JORMUNREKKR ik I’m joking about exactly that
Only when it's convenient
When I see people saying we need to be more involved I like to ask them what are they personally doing to help? It's usually crickets. People don't ask themselves what might happen if we put troops in Ukraine or like this video covers a no fly zone. Shows a wide disregard of thinking about consequences for the majority of people.
That's why they say WE! Don't understand English, buddy?
@@afa78djd if you, personally, aren't willing to do anything, I'm not sure how you can say western armies should be sent to die. You aren't willing, but the guys in the army? Their lives are a sacrifice you are willing to make. Its pretty pathetic.
About those polls done in America. Have you also made a poll "show Ukraine on a map"? When 74% manages to do that then you can go on with the first one.
Russia is making it as hard to not join the war as possible
Go join war in Ukraine instead to be in your mom basement...
Quite a bit of relief for the world at large to hear that a No-Fly Zone is permanently out of the question. We're already on edge, we don't need to fall off of it too
I dont like how on the map you showed krimea as russain. good vid tho
3:10 This is really an extreme decrease in support within 2 weeks.
In india we say
Sleepy Joe ,They did it
Trump and Putin are best ❤️
That's because people hear "no-fly zone" and assume it's just something like the UN telling Russia not to fly there, and Russia would subsequently comply. What they don't know/understand (but can be taught very quickly), is that one must enforce a no-fly zone, because OF COURSE Russia is just going to comply with that. And enforcing a no-fly zone means shooting down the airplanes that aren't supposed to be flying there.
@@parthjain1496 Do you even have toilets?