@@ainsleyharriot6060 That was before Diama so obviously the lore is different at that time. But going forward Bandai has to follow the lore Toriyama sets so they could have it be that Mechikabura, Demigra created a Dark Demon Realm something that is located in the darkest parts of the Demon Realm or an unknown space that they called the Dark Demon Realm. This will be added to settings of the lore for games like Xenoverse, Divers etc because DB Diama characters already appear in those games.
@matthewlogan4267 definitely not . Demon realm was not Outside of multiverse based on what's established in Og db , z and super . Macrocasm globe contains demon realm .
Zeno could still be above him, meaning, he was probably just floating around and BANG, a few universes got form around him or it could be something like the Jade Emperor and Pangu.
I think he’s an equal to Zeno. We never seen Zeno create only destroy. So I believe he will be the one who creates. And Zeno is the one who destroys. .. although I think Diama is stupid and basically just ruined dragon ball for me. I wish super was being worked on more rather then the trash they got now.
@@sheeeeesh3628 he's saying the truth tho, we just only saw Zeno to destroy and erase Universes and even a timeline but we never see him creating somethings like Majin Rymus did with these new informations and statemements he's nearly equal to Zeno even tho this Daima version DB is truly disgusting and trash.
Now that we know who created the Dragon Ball, Multiverse, and the possible connection between Rymus and Zeno. Now all we have to know is where the angels came from.
Just a correction the number of timelines isn't infinite. In the goku black arc, Supreme kai Gowasu shows five time rings and states that each ring is for a specific timeline. When future trunk's timeline is destroyed the time ring for that timeline disappears.
Finally someone who acknowledges the demon king that ordered majin rymus to create the multiverse in the first place. Thank youuuu like dam did no one else listen to that part? Lol Also I’m seeing some patterns that are awesome Majin kuu Majin buu Majin rymus Grand kai Grand supreme kai Grand priest Grand zeno So the majin title seems to typically means same species The grand title seems to directly mean both related and highest of that species. Which explains why grand kai was above the rest of the regular kais and why grand supreme kai is not only above the rest of the supreme kai species but rivals beerus in power in his original state This also explains why grand priest is above all angels and why grand zeno is above all gods Idk why some majin look like buu and some look like rymus or who else is even a majin but if I had to guess, I would guess that kais have so many different levels and species we haven’t been introduced to yet and are either born as demons which is probably the majin title or born as good gods which is the kai and priest/Angel/zeno title Grand must represent the top dog on the good side and supreme must represent top dog on the demon side where as grand might not mean a top dog for a demon or a majin just as supreme only describes a highest level of kai species on the good side but not the top dog of its species which grand supreme kai is of his species Idk just things to speculate
I dont think theyre related really since Zeno has no ears, they did say life began to sprout on the outside and the demons feared an invasion from the outside so they sealed the gates and only use warp sama, maybe they saw or heard of Zeno and were like hell no we aren't dealing with that thing
At first glance, he seems like an interesting character. I wonder how physically powerful he could be? For Vegeta in DBS, Beerus was the most powerful in the universe until Beerus told Goku that Whis was his master and was more powerful than him. Beerus has to be a tougher guy than one might think, for him to be more feared than a creator of multiple universes.
Vegeta only feared Beerus because he knows him and seen how he is when Beerus was stepping on King Vegeta. You literally comparing Rymus who Vegeta has never heard of and you want him to be scared lol. Horrible comparison
@GodslayerSeiya For that reason and because he learned from Kaiō that Beerus defeated Goku. Something must be impressive about knowing that he created universes, Vegeta also knew almost nothing about Zen and was impressed to learn that he destroyed 6 of the 18 universes.
I still think Supreme Kai of time is interesting because they govern all timelines and db history and this new information would simply fit into as a point in time in db history just kinda showing everyone the most worked on content by aurthor is establishing that “non cannon content” is indeed cannon even in super bluma tell crew that there using parallel world/timeline machine and not a normal time travel machine and the og machine was made by other timeline bluma thats why whis explation in time was kinda illrelvant to goku black arc in total especially realize whis power only rewinds that timeline and stops future chnages/chase and effect from going into past Further more trunks og timeline is first timeline that science ended up cause connections with other timelines while it’s said that for demon realm magic >science so magic need more explaining on how it effects timelines or universes etc
Beerus is over thousands of years old, he's sleeping but he isn't a kid, it was only Goku and his friends, this is before they even met Beerus, only their life is linked not their ages lol
Hey SSJRyu I have had a terrible idea floating around in my head for awhile but I especially wanted your take on this. Post DBS ch 102 a little what if training I thought of was Goku and Vegeta fighting Vegito via multiform. My reason for this is kinda how busted Vegito would be if we gave him a proficiency bonus to all of Goku's and Vegeta's shown abilities, techniques and hax. In my goofy opinion I do think Vegito would not need more than ssj2 to beat UI Goku and UE Vegeta.
@@FrazerHatyai The lore for demon realm in heroes is that it was made by Demons like Mechikabura and Demigra. That being said that's non canon, so it may not be considered in Daima lore.
Do time rings work in the demon realm and who created time rings anyway? If glinds are to watch over thier universe they must be able to see all forms of all times too. So Rymus made not just universes but timelines to. So in an effect Rymus created infinity which means he is infinite himself. All knowing and all good but where did he go after the creation? Did he stay in the demon realm or not.
Hello ssjry1 so i dont believe rymus is at the same level as zeno as rymus could be the highest authority in the universe zeno is in a place beyond the multiverse which is the zeno palace a higher dimension so he could have existed even before rymus also rymus making the universe we dont know the time perioud did he make everything instantly or over a long period of time and even he did make it instantly we know character in dragon ball who arent at the level of zeno can erase or in danger timelines like infinite zamasu who jiren scales above comfirmed by supreme kai also dont forget at this point in time supreme kai doesnt know about zeno so all he knows is that rymus is the highest authority as in the episode where zeno first shows up in super shin doesnt know who he is and elder kai roasts him for not having knowledge about zeno also rymys could be like the supreme kai but on a higher level as supreme kais are gods of creation and destroyers for destruction so zeno is comfirmed not be the creator of the universe but rhymus is so zeno is like the destroyer of universes similar to gods of destru tions creating planets and rymus is the creator of universes similar to how supreme kai create planets and life really cool stuff
Toriyama loves the nameks as he said piccolo was his favorite character. Just like glinds the are plants and they have the power to create stuff so whos to say that the reason nameks can do this is because Rymus made them in the image of glinds. I mean we see that magic can create life but at a certain power limit. Well someone who has the power to create 18 universe's can instill whatever power he wants. So lets say Rymus created zalama the first namek who with his power created the super dragon balls and in doing so wished he could seperate himself into many to create his own race. Idk kinda choppy but who knows
Tbh i don't think he is stronger or equal to zeno Just bcz he created multiverse that does not mean he is zenos equal It could be possible that zeno existed before the multiverse was made Also i hope they would mention anything about zalama and angels And where they came from othervise great video ryu
Do you really follow Dragon Ball because they already said how long Zeno has been around. The Grand Priest himself stated Zeno has been the Omni King for a bit over 8 million years. So now Zeno did not exist before the multiverse. Rymus has existed before that as he is the creator and Whis also comes from the Angel realm this was stated as well you not paying attention. Also Zeno is physically weak and Whis himself said to Goku in DBS that judging someone based purely on their physical combat or strength is a bad habit Goku has. Zeno is just hax and raw power through his erase ability he isn't strong in strength and battle power.
@@KamiAnimeS1 lol oh you think of course typical DB fan who thinks what you say means anything my guy what you think is absolutely irrelevant. Now tell me how can Zeno be higher when he has only been Omni King for 8 million years. Rymus is probably billions of years old. Get your head canon out of the discussion it's irrelevant. Beerus been a God of Destruction for over 200 million years so Rymus would be way way before that. Zeno isn't that old so sorry he most likely is not higher.
@@iAMJaws I used information based on what was said genius. First Zeno is officially stated to only be the Omni King for 3,135,500,603 days up to the Tournament of Power and that equates to a little over 8 million years. Secondly I used more information from the series Beerus has been officially stated to be over 200 million years old. So now use common sense Rymus would have to be far older than Beerus so where is the head canon at. Stop talking you clearly don't even know DB which is not surprising since a lot of so called fans don't know DB. He just said he thinks Zeno is higher based on his own feelings and opinion. I used info that was given based on numbers and age to say most likely Rymus is above Zeno and older than anything else. I used data do I need to educate you on Dragon Ball clearly you are lost.
1. welcome back 2. too many unnecessary assumptions 3. shin didn't know Zen-oh before super 4. are you still under the assumption that sub space isn't part of the macrocosm bubble?, sub space (at least in canon) is inside the bubble but not in the "area" depicted on the map. 5. remember that Daima existed in the pre-BoG timeline.
@MildsandThatYac I never once implied my proposition affiliate with this video ? No , I m saying this generally. And no rymus ain't no stronger than zeno
this not good example in anyway goku has no authority nor any status other than a mortal from u7 and power generally does scale to authority especially in db
Death probably was immediate reincarnation. Dragonball uses a lot of Buddhist lore and imagery owed to its inspiration being Journey to The West.
Also DBH stated Mechi, Demigra, and other demons created the Demon Realm and the Dark King is the highest authority in it, so there's that
@@ainsleyharriot6060 That was before Diama so obviously the lore is different at that time. But going forward Bandai has to follow the lore Toriyama sets so they could have it be that Mechikabura, Demigra created a Dark Demon Realm something that is located in the darkest parts of the Demon Realm or an unknown space that they called the Dark Demon Realm.
This will be added to settings of the lore for games like Xenoverse, Divers etc because DB Diama characters already appear in those games.
Rhymus existed in U7's demon realm . Thus doesn't contradicts .
@wcom9999 no the demon realm is outside of all the universes rymus made the multiverse
@matthewlogan4267 definitely not . Demon realm was not Outside of multiverse based on what's established in Og db , z and super .
Macrocasm globe contains demon realm .
@wcom9999 it stated it. The demon realm is outside all the universes. yes it is
Great video!
Zeno could still be above him, meaning, he was probably just floating around and BANG, a few universes got form around him or it could be something like the Jade Emperor and Pangu.
I think he’s an equal to Zeno. We never seen Zeno create only destroy. So I believe he will be the one who creates. And Zeno is the one who destroys. .. although I think Diama is stupid and basically just ruined dragon ball for me. I wish super was being worked on more rather then the trash they got now.
@@realsourced93 dumb
@@sheeeeesh3628 he's saying the truth tho, we just only saw Zeno to destroy and erase Universes and even a timeline but we never see him creating somethings like Majin Rymus did with these new informations and statemements he's nearly equal to Zeno even tho this Daima version DB is truly disgusting and trash.
@@sheeeeesh3628This is a fact whether you accept it or not.
@@TurkanIlkhan Was referring to his whole "Daima is stupid and basically just ruined dragon ball for me" crap.
Now that we know who created the Dragon Ball, Multiverse, and the possible connection between Rymus and Zeno. Now all we have to know is where the angels came from.
And who created demon realm then?
Don't forget about zalama! He's the most mysterious god after all
Zalama especially we ain't got nothing about him
Just a correction the number of timelines isn't infinite. In the goku black arc, Supreme kai Gowasu shows five time rings and states that each ring is for a specific timeline. When future trunk's timeline is destroyed the time ring for that timeline disappears.
its been stated they infinitely branch out
Finally someone who acknowledges the demon king that ordered majin rymus to create the multiverse in the first place. Thank youuuu like dam did no one else listen to that part? Lol
Also I’m seeing some patterns that are awesome
Majin kuu
Majin buu
Majin rymus
Grand kai
Grand supreme kai
Grand priest
Grand zeno
So the majin title seems to typically means same species
The grand title seems to directly mean both related and highest of that species. Which explains why grand kai was above the rest of the regular kais and why grand supreme kai is not only above the rest of the supreme kai species but rivals beerus in power in his original state
This also explains why grand priest is above all angels and why grand zeno is above all gods
Idk why some majin look like buu and some look like rymus or who else is even a majin but if I had to guess, I would guess that kais have so many different levels and species we haven’t been introduced to yet and are either born as demons which is probably the majin title or born as good gods which is the kai and priest/Angel/zeno title
Grand must represent the top dog on the good side and supreme must represent top dog on the demon side where as grand might not mean a top dog for a demon or a majin just as supreme only describes a highest level of kai species on the good side but not the top dog of its species which grand supreme kai is of his species
Idk just things to speculate
I dont think theyre related really since Zeno has no ears, they did say life began to sprout on the outside and the demons feared an invasion from the outside so they sealed the gates and only use warp sama, maybe they saw or heard of Zeno and were like hell no we aren't dealing with that thing
At first glance, he seems like an interesting character. I wonder how physically powerful he could be? For Vegeta in DBS, Beerus was the most powerful in the universe until Beerus told Goku that Whis was his master and was more powerful than him.
Beerus has to be a tougher guy than one might think, for him to be more feared than a creator of multiple universes.
Vegeta only feared Beerus because he knows him and seen how he is when Beerus was stepping on King Vegeta. You literally comparing Rymus who Vegeta has never heard of and you want him to be scared lol. Horrible comparison
@GodslayerSeiya For that reason and because he learned from Kaiō that Beerus defeated Goku. Something must be impressive about knowing that he created universes, Vegeta also knew almost nothing about Zen and was impressed to learn that he destroyed 6 of the 18 universes.
I still think Supreme Kai of time is interesting because they govern all timelines and db history and this new information would simply fit into as a point in time in db history just kinda showing everyone the most worked on content by aurthor is establishing that “non cannon content” is indeed cannon even in super bluma tell crew that there using parallel world/timeline machine and not a normal time travel machine and the og machine was made by other timeline bluma thats why whis explation in time was kinda illrelvant to goku black arc in total especially realize whis power only rewinds that timeline and stops future chnages/chase and effect from going into past Further more trunks og timeline is first timeline that science ended up cause connections with other timelines while it’s said that for demon realm magic >science so magic need more explaining on how it effects timelines or universes etc
So how linked _are_ Shin and Beerus? Is Beerus a sleeping Kid-Beerus right now in Daima?
Beerus is over thousands of years old, he's sleeping but he isn't a kid, it was only Goku and his friends, this is before they even met Beerus, only their life is linked not their ages lol
Hey SSJRyu I have had a terrible idea floating around in my head for awhile but I especially wanted your take on this. Post DBS ch 102 a little what if training I thought of was Goku and Vegeta fighting Vegito via multiform. My reason for this is kinda how busted Vegito would be if we gave him a proficiency bonus to all of Goku's and Vegeta's shown abilities, techniques and hax.
In my goofy opinion I do think Vegito would not need more than ssj2 to beat UI Goku and UE Vegeta.
Huhh I thought it was Zeno
but who created him and the demon relm? their must be a higher god that created the demon relms
@@FrazerHatyai The lore for demon realm in heroes is that it was made by Demons like Mechikabura and Demigra. That being said that's non canon, so it may not be considered in Daima lore.
Do time rings work in the demon realm and who created time rings anyway? If glinds are to watch over thier universe they must be able to see all forms of all times too. So Rymus made not just universes but timelines to. So in an effect Rymus created infinity which means he is infinite himself. All knowing and all good but where did he go after the creation? Did he stay in the demon realm or not.
Hello ssjry1 so i dont believe rymus is at the same level as zeno as rymus could be the highest authority in the universe zeno is in a place beyond the multiverse which is the zeno palace a higher dimension so he could have existed even before rymus also rymus making the universe we dont know the time perioud did he make everything instantly or over a long period of time and even he did make it instantly we know character in dragon ball who arent at the level of zeno can erase or in danger timelines like infinite zamasu who jiren scales above comfirmed by supreme kai also dont forget at this point in time supreme kai doesnt know about zeno so all he knows is that rymus is the highest authority as in the episode where zeno first shows up in super shin doesnt know who he is and elder kai roasts him for not having knowledge about zeno also rymys could be like the supreme kai but on a higher level as supreme kais are gods of creation and destroyers for destruction so zeno is comfirmed not be the creator of the universe but rhymus is so zeno is like the destroyer of universes similar to gods of destru tions creating planets and rymus is the creator of universes similar to how supreme kai create planets and life really cool stuff
is it Canon
will the story reach the end of what Akira said before dying
How can Majin Rymus be the highest authority if he was ORDERED to create the multiverse? 🤔
Toriyama loves the nameks as he said piccolo was his favorite character. Just like glinds the are plants and they have the power to create stuff so whos to say that the reason nameks can do this is because Rymus made them in the image of glinds. I mean we see that magic can create life but at a certain power limit. Well someone who has the power to create 18 universe's can instill whatever power he wants. So lets say Rymus created zalama the first namek who with his power created the super dragon balls and in doing so wished he could seperate himself into many to create his own race. Idk kinda choppy but who knows
Is maybe Xeno Omni-king of the 12 universes, but in the Demon Realm Xeno has nothing? There, Rymus is the one above all?
Tbh i don't think he is stronger or equal to zeno
Just bcz he created multiverse that does not mean he is zenos equal
It could be possible that zeno existed before the multiverse was made
Also i hope they would mention anything about zalama and angels
And where they came from
othervise great video ryu
Do you really follow Dragon Ball because they already said how long Zeno has been around. The Grand Priest himself stated Zeno has been the Omni King for a bit over 8 million years. So now Zeno did not exist before the multiverse. Rymus has existed before that as he is the creator and Whis also comes from the Angel realm this was stated as well you not paying attention.
Also Zeno is physically weak and Whis himself said to Goku in DBS that judging someone based purely on their physical combat or strength is a bad habit Goku has. Zeno is just hax and raw power through his erase ability he isn't strong in strength and battle power.
@@GodslayerSeiyaI think Zeno is higher until confirmed
@@KamiAnimeS1 lol oh you think of course typical DB fan who thinks what you say means anything my guy what you think is absolutely irrelevant. Now tell me how can Zeno be higher when he has only been Omni King for 8 million years. Rymus is probably billions of years old. Get your head canon out of the discussion it's irrelevant.
Beerus been a God of Destruction for over 200 million years so Rymus would be way way before that. Zeno isn't that old so sorry he most likely is not higher.
You told him not to use head cannon and then you use head cannon yourself @@GodslayerSeiya
@@iAMJaws I used information based on what was said genius. First Zeno is officially stated to only be the Omni King for 3,135,500,603 days up to the Tournament of Power and that equates to a little over 8 million years. Secondly I used more information from the series Beerus has been officially stated to be over 200 million years old.
So now use common sense Rymus would have to be far older than Beerus so where is the head canon at. Stop talking you clearly don't even know DB which is not surprising since a lot of so called fans don't know DB.
He just said he thinks Zeno is higher based on his own feelings and opinion. I used info that was given based on numbers and age to say most likely Rymus is above Zeno and older than anything else. I used data do I need to educate you on Dragon Ball clearly you are lost.
1. welcome back
2. too many unnecessary assumptions
3. shin didn't know Zen-oh before super
4. are you still under the assumption that sub space isn't part of the macrocosm bubble?, sub space (at least in canon) is inside the bubble but not in the "area" depicted on the map.
5. remember that Daima existed in the pre-BoG timeline.
No idiot
Sub space was already shown outside the macrocosm
@supesisfodder7427 read again
So who the hell are Zeno, the grand priest and the angels, the angels and the grand priest dont have pointy ears, so they're not from the demon realm
I think akira toriyama wants to be all db siris & movie is cannon
Who are the angels
Zeno>rymus .
Authority doesnt imply strength or superior existence
Eg Supreme kai is higher authority than Goku ofc doesnt make him stronger
You clearly didn’t watch nor listen to the video
@MildsandThatYac I never once implied my proposition affiliate with this video ?
No , I m saying this generally.
And no rymus ain't no stronger than zeno
this not good example in anyway goku has no authority nor any status other than a mortal from u7 and power generally does scale to authority especially in db
@donni803 literally what I said 🙃
Umm he is the new zeno in toriyamama vison don't you people get it
no he isn’t because zeno comes after him chronologically
Ok I think majin means father and grand means greatest one
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Thats manaka
Zeno cannot destroy angels
Which means Rymus is an original angel.
He Can lol
@@JustanormalSandwich it's litteraly explained how he can't so please enlighten me.
@@enki2gold im Universe tournament he destroyed whole Universes WITH angels
@JustanormalSandwich I think you need to rewatch it because the angels were the only that couldn't be destroyed. Destroyers were but not the angels
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