Oakland worried A's will hold Coliseum "hostage"
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2023
- Original article: www.latimes.com/sports/story/...
The Oakland Coliseum, soon to be deserted by the Oakland Athletics, sits within an underdeveloped and overly industrial corridor within the city. Kevin Jenkins, the councilman who represents the area, would like to tell you a little about his district.
“We lack a major grocery store,” he said.
People need places to dine, places to shop, and places to gather.
“They need,” Jenkins said, “somewhere they can go for entertainment and have great memories for their families here in their hometown.”
What they do not need turns out to be exactly what they have: a 120-acre site, vacated by the last of three major sports teams to play there, ripe for development - and controlled by the guy who is moving the A’s to Las Vegas.
John Fisher, who owns the A’s, also owns a 50% stake in the Coliseum property. The city owns the other half.
“We need to develop that site,” Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao told me. “I hope he doesn’t hold it hostage.”
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Oakland should sue the A's and MLB for fraud.
unless it was in the purchase agreement that they must use it for baseball, I don't think a lawsuit would hold up unless it was sold under that
The fraud is pretending to be a baseball owner.
The fraud is the letter and verbal representations by the team that they wanted to buy it as a backup plan to build a baseball stadium in case Howard terminal didn't pan out. Of course that was a lie, and the idiots who cut the deal didn't include language requiring it to be used for a baseball stadium. However, it's possible a judge would see fraudulent intent and at least force a sale. It's about the only shot the City has to get rid of him.
MLB gone, Oakland Invaders enter the chat‼️
Funny lol!
This was their play all along to skip town. It wasn’t that it was the A’s back up site. It was insurance against any push back from the city.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Spot on.
Oakland was playing checkers and the A’s were playing chess. Now Oakland has to take legal action to try to fight for the name in the colors.
Yes, Oakland should definitely sue to keep the name and the colors.
They aren’t getting them.
They aren't getting them!! And I believe that MLB will never return to Oakland.
Why wouldn’t the city reclaim the property through eminent domain?
Because they would have to pay market value for the land which is exactly what Fisher wants, he paid way less then market value for the counties share.
Except Rob Manfraud has publicly said no to the Coliseum site(even with a brand new stadium) numerous times. One possible reason why: Little to no opportunity to blackmail/scam/defraud the various government entities for $$$$
Idk. The Mets built a new stadium at the old Shea Stadium parking lot. No issues and the surrounding neighborhood is a dump. I’m beginning to think that Fisher is so dumb he is smart.
Exactly the A’s talked out of both sides of their mouth first it’s was “we need the Coliseum site as a backup option” but once they got it “oh it’s not a viable option” wtf??? The good part is Kaval put it in writing, it’s on the letter he penned to the city and county about the reason the A’s needed the site. A lawsuit is just around the corner.
If I'm not mistaken, the Coliseum Oakland Arena and surrounding parking lots are roughly 100 acres of land? That's plenty to build a brand new baseball or football stadium AND a new residential area AND other smaller entertainment venues. The Coliseum was designed in an era when stadium design was super inefficient, especially when it came to parking. There's a ton of potential there for any ownership group that wants to put the money into it. Literally, it could end up being a significantly more valuable area in the long run than the Las Vegas A's stadium development.
Yeah it was the easiest place to build if they wanted it.
That was the coliseum city plan under mayor Jean Quan which sucked.
The problem is the surrounding area is industrial and undeveloped. Also the current stadium is built below sea level which may be an issue in the future
@@broker4u Yes, The Strip is obviously super valuable but The A's aren't planning the next Allegiant Stadium. Keep in mind that the Las Vegas Stadium doesn't have the full area. It's only a fraction of the current Casino. 100 acres of fully developed land in Oakland Vs 9 acres with a very questionable stadium that might age like the Royal's current stadium(the closest MLB stadium to what the A's want to do).
that 100 acres is in Oakland, so...
Brodie, thank you for constantly keeping us updated.
Players union needs to play hard ball against the owners in any way they can when it comes to a short-term home for the A's. Force MLB to stay in Oakland until the very last game before moving to Vegas. Let Fisher and the owners be embarrassed by four years of an empty ballpark at every A's home game...
I agree wholeheartedly. Make it as difficult as possible for Fisher to make a dime off of the team.
As if the Coliseum hasn't looked empty for the past two decades... The city of Oakland thinks they are holding a inside straight, all they need is one more card, but alas, the MLB is holding a royal flush...
Brodie, the government has the power to condemn private property for a public use. This is known as eminent domain. The Coliseum property looks like a most likely candidate for such an action by the City of Oakland. This would solve any hostage attempt by John Fisher.
Quicktake
I was thinking the same thing. I would think it would be an easy action. They have used eminent domain to take homes from people. To take unused land should be easy...
Yes it would.
Except that if the city plays hardball, MLB may never give Oakland a chance for an expansion team. So They can use eminent domain at the cost of a possible new team.
@@willcarrillo280 Unfortunately the city of Oakland is broke, holding out a tin cup for grants to upgrade the city's infrastructure at Howard Terminal for a multiple billion dollar real estate development...
Two words unsaid in the vid that should have been uttered: eminent domain. Look up Kelo vs. City of New London.
The coliseum site is very strong location especially in comparison to Levis Stadium and San Jose Sharks. They really should have locked that up as a future stadium site back in 2019 😥
A good owner would’ve had a stadium built in Oakland somewhere! Fisher and Davis are good examples of blaming others for a deal not being done when they are the problem! Their way is to move to another city
It always everybody else fault and not Oakland despite the warriors also moving
@@sirbillthegreat8871None of these teams wanted to stay! You can’t get anything done with teams that don’t want to stay! Warriors moved close but nomadic Raiders moved out of market
It’s everyone’s fault and not city of Oakland ha?
@@darylwille4878 they would if u offered them a good deal
@@valcasis if owners want to stay, they will find a way! Both owners never wanted to stay so it’s hard blaming everything on Oakland when they make it so hard to make a deal.
I never understood why the coliseum site wasn’t adequate for stadium development. Why didn’t they build a new stadium there?
because it is not "downtown".
Oakland Coliseum is very similar to the old Shea site. Off the highway and plenty of parking. Nothing else going on around it. It works. Fisher is a joke but he played MLB and the city. Good for him I guess…
For the longest period of time, I think the Raiders wanted to build a new stadium on the site, but the A's current 10 year lease had a provision that effectively blocked any construction from happening for the Raiders. Then the A's threw their eggs into the HT basket.
I’m Canadian and an urban planner. Up here, if Fisher didn’t want to sell and the city of Oakland could prove there was a different highest and best use (for the greatest number of people) of the land over the stadium, then they could start expropriation proceedings, or eject Americans call Eminent Domain. If I were in the City or County’s Planning Office that’s what I would be recommending. In Canada, the expropriation can only be legal if a fair market offer equal or greater to 80% of the land value has been tendered. In other words, if the land has a fair market value of $500M, the expropriator MUST offer at least $400M in compensation to the current holder of the land. If they don’t, and the provincial municipal tribunal finds that the offer was insufficient, the expropriation is blocked and can’t proceed, but the 80% threshold keeps the public/state entity honest in giving fair compensation.
the best use for that land would be an open air secondary market aka black market where citizens could go buy big box stores stolen goods
But that’s in Canada. Real Estate laws are different from state to state what more a different country.
@@Spinach_DWhat are you talking about little guy 😂
Wow, that's a wonderfully boring anecdote that is totally irrelevant. Thanks for wasting your time talking about the rules of a country no one cares about.
I had to go back and reread that letter in its entirety for more context. And to see which of the two were the slimiest - Kaval or Fisher.
The answer is likely both of them. But the blurb quoted here and just that blurb alone makes it seem that neither of them ever said they intended to hold this site for use to build here, just that it was needed to build a ballpark. Which is still technically true. They are going to need to sell it at some point to finance Vegas. But Kaval sure does seem clear that " we know we got out over our skis on Peralta (but even though it looks like this was our fault, trust us, it is not...really we did extensive this and that....community engagement blah blah...look, a squirrel) and we also know our 2nd choice is going to be a hard slog...but we're committed there too (wink) but juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust in case, we want this site OR ELSE. Did Kaval always end his letters with "Play Ball" ? That in hindsight reads ominously.
For Fisher to now say otherwise is absurd. Further proof that he is going to be driving a 🤡 🚗 wherever he does business. From the renderings of their dual development paths here (more evidence they had more on their plate than was necessary) they did probably need the Coli site to flip to pay for HT.
I do believe tho, that pre-pandemic, Oakland was surging and developers saw the promise. I worked downtown, and land couldn't be snatched up fast enough to throw up high rise condo and office towers. Fisher wanted many bites of that apple, and ended up not being able to chew any of it.
I do think Fisher sells it once he knows he can get shovels into the ground in Vegas. He's gotta be banking on the proceeds from it for financing. If he does squat, I like the optics that he's squatting on land in east oakland that is in a food and retail desert for those neighborhoods. He's going to go all in on accumulating chits on being the worst owner ever.
He could’ve used that money to pay for Howard terminal instead of buying that land
Boycott 2024 games and see if Fisher wants to stick around for 2025-2027
Excellent work on this story Brodie. Keep it going.
Eminent domain is the power of the government to take private property and convert it into public use. The City of Oakland should use the power of eminant domain to take Fisher's share of the property. The city would have to compensate Fisher for taking his property, that that's doable.
Now if I could only get my hands on the Alameda County idiots who sold the property at a discounted price to Fisher in the first place....
Eminent domain only works against poor people. Fisher would sue or buy out the rest of the property
So Oakland should be vindictive and steal the land from Fisher??
Please define 'public use'. What would you do with the land?
@@djtrankilo231he can't buyout rest of property based off of that lol
Quicktake
since Fisher bought the land at a discount and the land has risen in price, Oakland will have to pay more for the other half. Is Oakland willing to do it by raising taxes on the resident of Oakland?
Wow this is pretty messed up. If this happens Oakland needs to go to every national media outlet to shame MLB.
And embarrass themselves more in front of the national media and public? Oakland is the city that can't do it nationwide... A can do city would not have let any of their major league teams leave...
spreading fake news like the trump presidency @@ronclark9724
He's not selling it it's a insurance policy for him in case he needs it for 2025 to 2027
I don’t know what route the city should take. They can play hardball but the league can say you are never going to get an expansion team even with a brand new stadium.
But it seems like the city has been taken advantage of at every turn during this process.
Good. The MLB made its decision, the City of Oakland should show no quarter to the As. Make it a living hell for them.
The most likely scenario as far as my unqualified mind can see. Fisher and the A's basically say to the City of Oakland that they will sell their half at a reasonable price in exchange for a 3 year lease.
Define “reasonable” haha
But I agree, that makes the most sense. The other options are untenable.
Two words Eminet Domain.
Why should the A's owner sell half to the city of Oakland to build low cost housing only for minorities? The A's owner would make more money building condominiums for the general public or building a new stadium if the city sold the owner the other half of the property? If Oakland were smart, they would waive all city taxes and fees in return for an agreement to play 20 years in Oakland. The city should also waive all restaurant and hotel taxes and fees from the Coliseum to the airport. An urban free Enterprise zone. Another thing that Brodie forgot was the owners stuck a 20 percent fee if the A's owner Fisher sells before the Vegas ballpark is ready (2028) and the fee goes down to zero in 2034. I' m not defending Fisher, but he does own half of the Coliseum. Alameda County did not want to have to ask the county voters to pay more taxes for a new stadium, so they wrung their hands of the Coliseum mess .
Alameda County messed up selling their half without a bidding process.
I was under the impression the A's were going to redevelop the coliseum site to help finance Howard Terminal. Weren't there renderings out showing the baseball diamond with a small amphitheater around it surrounded by mixed use new development?
Thank you Brodie for your reporting.
Oakland should start focusing on combating the high crime and homeless take over of Oakland. They have a bad track record of managing Oakland, and we lost all the sports team.
Brodie, If/when the A's move to Las Vegas what happens to the Las Vegas Aviators? They play in a very young stadium, but I can't imagine that the A's want to compete with their AAA affiliate for baseball fans. Do you think that Oakland would consider a stadium hosting the A's AAA affiliate?
I was thinking the same thing. Aviators will soon become UNLV sports that no one cares anymore.
They didnt gain control of the site though. Just 50%. They were talking about building different things at the Coliseum site to help pay for Howard Terminal
This I think is the only thing I blame Oakland for as we should never have given the A’s half of the Coliseum as they clearly always wanted out of Oakland all along
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to use eminent domain.
They've been so dishonest about EVERYTHING!!!
At least when the Raiders left there wasn't this level of dishonestly and backstabbing... It's why I understand fans sticking with the Raiders but dumping the A's....
Raiders were dishonesty too
@darylwille4878 I'm not a raiders fan so don't know all the details... but it just seems like fans were much more willing to give Davis a pass vs the shit Fisher is putting us thru....
You give the Raiders too much credit. They’ve been carpetbaggers from the start. They’ve been playing the relocation game for 40 years.
@@racingwithrob They gave the raiders a pass because Davis blamed Fisher for him moving the team. The hatred people have for Fisher made it an easy lie to swallow.
I couldn't think of two worse parties to be in partnership. You have for all intents and purposes, an absentee owner who willfully participated in both the degradation of the stadium and the team itself. Whatever people thought about Hoffman and Schott, at least they signed some of their players, albeit the wrong ones at the wrong time (hello Eric Chavez) but they constantly reloaded under the genius of Bean. Fisher and Wolf never had any intention of doing that.
Then you have the Bud Selig involvement, who at the time blocked other ownership bids in favor of his frat brother Wolf. Selig is as slimy as it gets. He bought the Pilots out of bankruptcy (pennies on the dollar) and moved them to Milwaukee, his home base, then eventually maneuvered them back into the NL where his beloved Braves used to play.
How Selig got away with all of this is mind boggling and prompts some very unsavory social commentary that can get people banned for even insinuating a tribal relationship between Selig/Fisher/Wolff.
Then there's the city of Oakland, where the new mayor doesn't even own her own house, while most of the board is filled with community activists and social justice warriors who have a natural disdain for all things American and capitalist. This is the city gov that's fighting for the A's? I know Libby Schaaf started the process but she's not much better, having served under the community organizer who eventually became president.
The losers in all of this are the fans and the people who worked as vendors at the A's and Raider games. Those jobs will be gone and the city won't replace them.
The A's seem destined for ignominy and obscurity in a town of gamblers, convention goers and transients while the city of Oakland will likely rally around some professional, women's soccer team that will play at the coliseum, that no one will care about.
Welcome to America in 2023.
It's worse then that, the team was never responsible for the stadium upkeep. All structural upgrades and improvements were the obligation of the stadium authority which was owned by the city and the county jointly.
Everyone gives soft ball questions to the mayor instead of asking what happened to the million dollar leasing fees for the last 30 years and why they weren't spent on the stadium. Just how badly did MT Davis fuck up finances?
@@louiscypher4186I'm going to go with finances were bad and Mt Davis made it worse.
Alameda County selling their part to the A's paid off the debts they had on the renovations in the 90s.
Brodie do a video on Oakland Oaks
Explain to me the rationale for going to any A’s games during the 3 or so years that they’re in their lame duck situation.
Im fairly new to this situation compared to you and the diehard fans in the city of Oakland. But thank you for making it very clear why the A's have slashed their payroll over the past two years and have gotten very little in return. I had no idea the A's had a chance to own 100% of the Colesium site in 6 months time. This whole thing is dirty business and could have been avoided years ago. You hit the nail on the head when you said he owes $45 million to get 100% of the site which is equal to the A's payroll. A $90 million dollar payroll for a season is nothing to a billionaire like Fisher given the value of the land he is about to fully own.
Thank you Brodie now let’s see what Oakland does and what kind of actions they’re going to take forward to maintaining the name and the colors in Oakland.
I love last dive bar, I go to watch the game and buy apparel
This is a breach of contract by the As.
The sale of the land was based on the promise and detrimental reliance that the As ownership would stay in Oakland.
I guess nobody wants to report on the sea level rise issue at the Coliseum site. Millions of dollars would have to be spent to remedy the problem.
Perhaps attorneys are looking at options to void the Alameda County sale based on false statements/bad faith by Fisher
If I am the Oakland Roots, I am watching whatever happens with the Coliseum site quite closely as the Coliseum site could be used to build a new soccer specific stadium along with a new training facility for the club & a sports complex that would be used for youth soccer. Right now there is no other site in Oakland that the Roots could build their new stadium on and would likely have to move to Berkeley to build their new stadium or worst of all share PayPal Park with the Earthquakes of MLS (and force fans to travel 40 miles south to watch matches) in order to stay in the Bay Area. The Coliseum site is the only site in my view that would keep the club close to where the majority of its fans live & the Roots better hope that the city of Oakland somehow buys the remaining 50% if they want to remain in Oakland.
City of Oakland has NO LEVERAGE! Mayor should accept the deal and get the 150 million from the gov. The A's are leaving because of an incompetent Mayor.
Looking at that letter is arguing semantics. A's needed to play nice & keep that ace up their sleeve in case a better option didn't pan out.
What they should do is just move to Las Vegas and rebrand the team there, and MLB should add an expansion team in Oakland and brand that team as the new Oakland A’s and build a new baseball stadium in Oakland
I think this will be like the Raiders situation because the the A’s I think we’ll play at the Colosseum until her ballpark is ready in Vegas
Mayor is making demands with respect to A's playing longer in the Coli for years after '24. She wants the name and likeness (not getting that) or guaranteed expansion (not likely getting that either). How about more in rent + A's half of the Coli site for the A's to play there till LV is ready. Not as much jacked up in rent since that is being thrown in there, too. Seems a deal can be done for that possibly. I've read before that A's were going to use the Coli site to develop it to help pay for HT for their portion. So the plans change. But if they were to use it for that, it still goes toward making HT happen. Plus revitalizes the Coli area too.
The mayor is just making sure she’s not the scape goat for public ire for the failings of her predecessors. It’s all window dressing.
First... this does pretty much mean it would be difficult to just push them out while they wait for the LV stadium to complete... still, hostage? there is still a law on the books.. EMINANT DOMAIN... or.. just raise the taxes on the place until he unloads it quickly... Sadly, Oakland screwed the pooch.. if they had taken the money in the late 90's and built a new stadium for the A's rather than trash the coliseum for the Raiders.. this would not be an issue.. and where did that trashing get them... BOTH teams abandoned the city... The idiots (never met a politician that didn't qualify) in charge back then clamored for much to get the raiders back that they didn't see what the raiders would eventually do... take yet another dump on the city and leave state...
In an earlier video, Brody noted how MLB put contingencies in the approval for the A’s to move to Vegas. The best lawyers will do that. Alameda County’s attorneys were either asleep or on the take. They gave Fisher “the gun and the bullets,” figuratively speaking.
It's called an asset dump. The county didn't want to deal with the property anymore, so they took what cash they could get and walked away.
There's no need for the county to put in contingencies, the sale discharged them of debts for the property and absolved them from having to deal with the city of Oakland over the future of the site.
@@louiscypher4186 So, basically, the county undersold the property which was and is valued at much more than what they paid.
They may have thought they were getting a good deal, but they should have known better.
@@jorgejohnson451 it's only a bad deal for the county if they lose out on the whole.
This pay day may not come at all, the city just entered into an exclusive negotiating agreement with another sporting group, who have far less money than even John Fisher.
If the city approves that sale, the county will have made a solid deal and if the city decides to help fund this new sporting redevelopment the county will have made out like bandits.
@@louiscypher4186 Fisher owns half of the property and will extract a huge price for his part.
We shall see.
Here comes the lawsuits lol
If the Coliseum had Ivy on the walls or a big green wall then we’d all look past the structure and the fans would come watch.
Not even if Fisher dressed up like Santa Claus and handed out free tickets.
@@SlipKid1975 agreed and not even if the A's went to the playoffs 11 times in 20 years. But I guess it's that's Fisher's fault too
Both Fenway (2000s) and Wrigley (2010s) had large renovations where they refurbished the grandstands. Besides Mt Davis, Oakland had nothing done.
eminent domain
Eminent domain would be market value. Which the city will never pay.
Did they ever pursue a move to Sacramento? Team name: Gold Rush or Golden Bears.
The mayor and city council in Sacramento are more concerned about the homeless versus any sports team. If Kevin Johnson was still mayor, he would be firing on all cylinders to get an MLB team.
Oakland mayor needs to play hardball on this one. She needs to hold out for an expansion team and John Fisher's half of the Oakland coliseum for them to rent it from 2025 to 2027
Incompetent politicians aren't usually good a making big deals
Oakland won't get an expansion team.
Yeah because playing hardball has worked so well thus far.
You have never heard the term "horse trading"? I am getting old.
It wouldn’t put it past Fisher n Kavel.
Screw Fisher and condemn the damn thing _NOW_ and force Fisher to pay for half the renovations or demolition. MLB is never giving Oakland a team so screw MLB too.
This is a wild thought. But what if this is all optics and Fisher is using going through the motions of relocation and holding the coliseum hostage as a way to get Howard Terminal? Trade the Coliseum for a new ballpark at Howard Terminal? Maybe Fisher is trying to use it for leverage to speed up negotiations with Mayor Thao?
Wishful thinking. He’s done with the “Oakland” A’s.
I think one could speculate that Fishers sole reason for purchasing 50% of the coliseum site was to have that bargaining chip when his lease ran out in '24, which tells me HT was a total scam. LV was always the sole path, but he needed this purchase to hang over Oakland's head til the LV stadium got built.
Which is fine, Oakland can play that game too...if Fisher wants to extend the lease in Oakland til LV is ready for him, then do it, provided Fisher promises to sell his half of the coliseum site to Oakland when he finally relocates to LV. If Fisher doesn't want to sell, then dont extend the lease, go kick rocks, Fisher.
Or he could play in Oracle park and still receive the TV money and still hold Oakland hostage
@@sirbillthegreat8871 he could, and there would be nothing Oakland could do about it, but two cities within such close proximity to each other don't like to step on the others toes. I could be wrong, but I would hope it wouldn't come to that.
We also have to be honest with ourself
Oakland failed us they had decades to get a stadium done and didn’t do this Oakland get part of the blame
At this point it’s like beating a dead horse. The A’s are gone. The city now has to find a potential ownership group and apply for expansion and start building the ballpark at Howard terminal. Oakland oaks green and gold.
What's the saying? Once is an anomaly, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. Oakland has bigger problems to fix than having a pro sports team. One can say that both John Fisher is a jerk and that there are root causes to why all these teams left (or are leaving).
MLB will never put a team in Oakland, condemn the Coliseum and force the A's to find someplace to play in 2024.
If I was the mayor I would build both sites that you own. Put your dining and theaters and stores in and the Howard Terminal site build your ballpark and see if USC or UCLA baseball teams could play have the College world series there and then if John Fisher abandoned his part then there’s a legal term for this especially if you are taking care of the site and that way you hold him hostage
@@purplecrayon7281 you are right a noble thought but that is what they are going to do with the one property anyhow so why not
Brodie... On a lot of video's I've heard Mayor Thao say she would love to talk to John Fisher.. But has she actually reached out and tried contacting Fisher? He
Brodie what I can’t figure out is if Oakland fans want the A’s why wouldn’t they push the City to work out a deal for the A’s to stay until their LV stadium is ready? This relocation is all about $. A’s see LV with much higher per ticket pricing confirmed by Kaval in a recent The Athletic article.
Gee I don’t know, maybe it has something to do with relocation being a stab in the back to the Oakland fan base after years of neglect and poor team management?
@@TheBayFoto A’s fans have been stabbed in the back every time Fisher doesn’t spend money and sells off players.
@@Mr.Ed_Waynerjust like fisher have been stab in the back for continuing putting good teams yet As fan never showed up
Oakland should immediately terminate the lease. If the A's protest, make the field unplayable. Force MLB's hand: either Fisher sells the team or they get a Cleveland Browns style deal for expansion. This travesty shouldn't be allowed to stand unopposed
Too bad lawsuit would be incoming. Also As have plenty of options other than the dumpster of collisrum so Oakland have next to zero leverage to MLB
Sure breach a lease, get sued to hell, get found guilty, appeal like idiots, end up having to pay Fisher tens of millions of dollars in compensation and legal fees all at the taxpayer expense. Meanwhile the A's negotiate with another ground as temporary home and the MLB forgets Oakland exists.
It's a bold strategy cotton.
After the owners voted that essentially proved two things. 1 is that the A’s are moving to Las Vegas and two MLB is absolutely done with Oakland. That city shire as hell in no way is getting an expansion team when the entirety of MLB commissioned to get out of there. Not with Rob Manfred and not with the entire league wanting them gone. And I don’t think the city is rich enough to pay for it. Not that they don’t want to they can’t.
The city is sitting on at least 400 million that they raised for Fisher to develop Howard Terminal.
They are done with Fisher in Oakland not baseball! I believe if he doesn’t sell to locals or want to stay, let him move! Expand to Oakland with real owners
400 million for a stadium in a city that needs the money to fix the massive problems in the city. For a league that has shown it really doesn’t care about them any more and is 100% fine with going away from. From all the factors combined there is no way in hell Oakland is getting a new team after this. Think whatever you want I’m just saying It’s very unlikely to happen.
Not to mention Rob Manfred and the higher up’s have heavily shown they do not care for Oakland it seems like a done deal
@@jeremyd1869that offsite money
Jon Fisher is a slumlord
If Oakland wanted to keep their baseball team, they should have done what they needed to do. Build a new stadium and they didn't do it. It's their fault the team's going to Vegas
You have no idea what you're talking about. Fisher bought the team to move it. He's tried four different cities now in case that's not clear enough for you.
And Fisher will 100% fuck it up. He's never been successful in a business venture. All of his assets are failing... All of them.
4:35 says it clearly he wants the land and the last move is the As.
It's wild to think that people believe Fisher can't pony up $45 in six months. If he wanted to - he would have it by the end of the week. He is worth billions of dollars. Fisher being a guy who goes to food banks in his tesla type of dude. This whole move has more nefarious action to it. But only time will tell if that story ever comes to light. Because at this point, it is an unproven accusation. They do not want to appeal to the diehard fan. The one who pays their season ticket dues. They want to be like the Giants - they want their industry buddies to have a good place to see a ball game. At this rate - they will be playing in San Jose at the earthquakes pitch. This whirlwind of pointing fingers is just hurting the fans, and they don't care. The city of Oakland and the Alameda County is fully aware of how the area is around the stadium. The Majority feel unsafe going to the park and that is a part of the issue from the MLB side of things. That's part of the reason why the Warriors moved back to the city. All the tech types who came to the arena to see the warriors play - they had a perception of uncertainty as if they were going to lose their valuables every game. If the city of Oakland asks for suggestions to update the area, The team and the MLB offer no suggestions. This Fisher and MLB move is their attempt of Gentrification.
I don't think Fisher even wants that. He's never said anything remotely believable that makes me believe he cares what happens on the field. Or that he even wants to be part of the cronies bunch. He never tried to cultivate that.
I haven't figured out what his motivation is, but that wasn't anything that crossed my mind about him.
This is how you know the City of Oakland got F’d.
The MLB and 100% of the owners put LocTite on the screw.
Time to pull MLB's antitrust exemption.
What about this? The A’s let the city have the land for free. The cost? Letting them stay there until the Vegas stadium is ready.
That’s a lot of high rent
Fisher was never going to build anything when it look like Howard terminal was gonna go he picked up his ball and ran!!!!
The A’s should definitely get their share of whatever revenue comes from redevelopment.
Lol hell no
So Oakland blocked any attempt to build a new stadium by not selling their half. Why would the city not sell half of the coliseum site to the A's and get a new ballpark built?? I think this was Oakland hostage taking, by forcing the A's to run a gauntlet which eventually pushed the team out of town. Suddenly the Oakland city council wants to buy the land? How convenient for them. I only hope the A's deal with the city in similar urgency as Oakland dealt with the A's .... maybe in 10 or 15 years from now the A's can hold some studies on the issue and hum and haw about it, while the stadium further ages. I mean Oakland was very willing to let the stadium age while they sat on their thumbs trying to force the A's hand and now the tables are turned.
"Oakland blocked the stadium". Kaval, get off the burner account.
no body goes to malls anymore. Brick and mortar business are closing down.
they unfortunately own it and can't do much about it
Isn't there legal action to be taken on this BS that allowed them to purchase the site? Bad faith deal to say the least.
Fisher is going to super screw Oak. He'll say you let me play at the Coli until the Las Vegas parking lot show is ready for us, and in exchange, we'll re-sell you the land.
Oakland so hard up for $$ they'll agree, because they have no cards to play
Depending on the price, that could be a great deal for Oakland. The city has some leverage too, b/c Fisher has to play somewhere.
@@pacificcoasttrains3785 A great deal for Oakland is that the A's heritage remains in Oakland for a reboot. I can't accept anything else ad being a good deal. But I hear what you're saying to. When all is loss, look for whatever concessions that can be had. I'm still heart broken. Over 40's of loving this team doesn't magically vanish with some consolation prize buyback deal.
@@someguy7222 I get it. I've been in Oakland/EastBay since 2002. Would be great to see the relocated franchise take a different name, but that's up to team and league ownership. I have real doubts about MLB wanting to expand, and then choosing Oakland. Rather, I bet the league uses the "we're moving to Oakland" threat to extort cities elsewhere (Rays?). I'd hope the city will get what it can, as there are plenty of other needs.
Kaval said in an interview the other day that they would play at Giants Stadium
If that's true, they can kiss that entire Oakland market GOODBYE!!!
Voted for the relocation and allowing them to play in SF, would be the ultimate spit-in-the-face move towards Oakland.
Expansion team Oakland Oaks
No, even better “the Oakland Thugs”.
Alameda County and the Oakland JPA should offer Fisher free use of the Coliseum for a fixed period in exchange for Fishers half ownership. He gets a temporary home for the team while he sorts out his Vegas mess, Oakland gets 100% ownership of the Coliseum property back..... and maybe we get lucky and Fisher gets some time to get badgered into selling the team
I wouldn't do that if I were mayor. The A's are the one without much leverage here. The only reason Oakland is doing any kind of delicate dance is for the grace of Manfred to give them an expansion team. I don't know the odds on that.
They don't have to grease the path out the door until Fisher proves he can push this project across the finish line....which for him is the extremely low bar of actually getting past just putting out renderings and having the walking talking bobblehead shilling his shell game.
The Coliseum is too horrible to play in and the market sucks (allegedly), why does he want to try to work out a deal? He was supposed to already have this worked out. This is MLB's problem now. I loved hearing the nugget that Brodie dropped last week, that their lucrative bay area tv deal poofs if they play more than half their hm games outside of this market. LOVE. IT. Let MLB deal with this mess and Oakland milk Fisher dry in a lease. Fisher is such a cheap dope he's stuck between that or having to pay the Giants a bunch of money for use of their park. They ain't getting Giant premium ticket prices. None of that benefits Nevada or does anything to build a buzz. 😆 😂 😆 😂
Apearantly emanant domain is only meant to use on the poor ..
You can not generate revenue in Oakland that's fact
Let me get this straight. On the one hand, Tao says that if the A's want to use the Coliseum after 2024 she's going to extort the A's name and ensure Oakland gets an expansion team. On the other hand, Tao wants the A's to sell them the land for cheap. She wants Fisher to be a good guy and she doesn't hold herself to the same standards.
It's a negotiation. As a taxpayer, I'm hoping she's trying to drive a hard bargain!
Mayor Thao is trying to get as much out of a billionaire who screwed the public. She IS the good guy.
MLB will never return to Oakland!!!!
@@pacificcoasttrains3785would be so funny when the Giants let the As play in oracle park.
@@sirbillthegreat8871 The Giants aren't going to "let" them do it- they too will get rent payments b/c of course they can and should! It's not their neighbor coming over to play cornhole in the yard. Maybe the Giants will settle for less, but that's their call (also MLB's, b/c of the complexities of scheduling).
So the city of Oakland will now buy the Coliseum site back from the A’s, this helping pay for the stadium in Vegas. Great job Oakland politicians
Hate to break it to you buddy, but no rational business person wants to do business in Oakland or California these days.
Oakland
Do the A’s really think folks are really gonna go to games at the coliseum next season?
No but paying 1.4 million to play out of an empty stadium is cheaper then breaking their lease and opening themselves up to a legitimate legal battle.
Don't give them anything
No extension make the clowns figure out where they’re gonna play
380 and it's yours.....lol
lol they will