The problem with people who love art is that many of them (including me) dont have any people or friends that really care about art, even tho a lot of people around the world love it, its not easy to find someone which really likes it in your environment
Yeah, it's a struggle I've encountered before. When I started my journey I was pretty much on my own, my friends liked what I did but the conversations were never about it. What made a huge change in my life was leaving a comment in posts with 0 or few comments (twitter), something as simple as "I like your art", and eventually I met someone who I really like their style, and was also interested in forming new connections. And that happened many times, some stuck and some didn't and that's alright!! I think a lot of us want to find our people, so taking the initiative will put you at an advantage to find and meet the people who care. Organizing art collabs, drawing their OCs, hyping them up. I know it's a lot of work, but someone has to do it. It's the "extrovert adopting an introvert" meme. Sometimes you have to be the less-introvert.
same... they tell me, oh no, you're a lot better than me. or it's good already. that's why i like asking feedback from strangers on other communities outside my circle.
Most people dont realize that even getting detailed critique is a sign that you're getting someowhere because most people I know will critique artists that look like they have potential.
I’m simply too unmotivated to try and look for people with similar interests as me. My critique is looking at my art and going “Nah wth is this on my screen” and then taking a break for 2 weeks
@@Hyde_Tolut sure, i dont mind answering that. i started working as a software dev ( IT ) when i was 18 after busting up my 2 hands , i used to want to be a solo pianist for orchestra , but with my 2 hands fucked up i couldnt practice too much everyday without feeling like my hands were falling off of my arms ( today i dont have any more pain in the hands like that, but i still cant practice for more than 1h with consistent quality ) - so , with no prospects of having a job, i started working as a software dev since i always messed with computers n all that - roughly 2.5 years ago i started drawing to make up for my "creative time" i had with the piano - and as time went on i started putting more and more hours into studying art , up to the point that i realized that i'd be much happier to work as an artist than dev - i know that doing something as a hobby isnt as fun as doing it as a job, but still, programming is stressfull and the more you go up in the career ladder, the less "operational" you are ( you write less code ) and you start having to deal with more "technical paperwork" situations, which are even more stressfull. if you ( or anyone else in that matter ) wanna talk more deeply into it cuz you wanna get into IT or just advice in that kind of thing in general , my ig tag is "necrocake_art"
@@cake869 I'm exactly like you, I'm a software developer (mobile and web with react). I love programming, but I realized that what I actually want to do is game development. I wouldn't be leaving IT anytime soon since I need to eat, however, I find it easier for an artist to become a game dev than the opposite (programmer). Most solo developer I found online can somewhat create assets by themselves (they still use asset store but being able to create your own style is a plus). Hence, why I am here. I'm going long term, learning to draw, going to 2d animation, and, hopefully, get into 3d somewhere in the next 5 years.
yay another video telling me to do the one thing I can't seem to do on my art journey I joke, but still, even in art discords and all that unless you're getting a tutor its sort of up in the air and getting critique is really hit or miss, not to mention the constant need to stay consistant and give back to others, this social thing was never easy and is only getting harder and now its a necesity
yeah, even as an introvert with 0 social difficulties, i always think to myself: "can't i just pay them 10 bucks?". but seriously, insincerely socializing where you're getting close to people and being outwardly nice just to get something other than a lasting relationship (in this case some feedback) is exhausting and kind of against my moral values. i don't really want to put up a facade all the time, so can't you just give me what i want for 10 bucks?
Yeah, I already got it. I just have no art friends and don't know where to find ones. Used to have in school, but we went separate ways. And online I'm still scared of a language barrier, even if people say my eng is fine.
As someone whose mother tongue is spanish and used to have lots of anxiety when using english, the trick is to have a simple realization "Almost no one speaks/write X language properly, be it native or foreign", just think about it in whatever is your native language, I know a lot of people who have bad spanish grammar, I know even more people that pronounce words differently than how the dictionary says, and guess what? we still can understand each other without ridiculizing. My realization came when, after watching a lot of youtube, I found out lots of great channels (and in some cases, conferences/interviews with professionals on x areas) with hosts that have pretty noticeable accents (at times extremely thick) that makes them have more often than not "Bad pronounciation", but pretty much no one cares. And in regards of writing, years of social media, forums, fanfics, reviews, blogs, etc, etc, made me realize the same. Finally, if someone really tries to bring you down for not having a perfect pronounciation/grammar/syntax from the get go, those are true assholes that should be ignored, normal people either won't care as long as they understand you (which is pretty easy for native speakers), or actually help you to get better, bit by bit
Feedback is only valid when the person that gives you feedback knows what there talking about. And the feedback/critique is working for you. Everyone learns differently and people only tell you what works for them. Not necessarily you.
I have received so much useless feedback, more than half of the time they are completely meaningless, and the person has no idea what they are talking about.
Yes this!! I saw so many random comments from artwork on social medias and most of the time it's beginner giving opinion, they don't know difference between personal preferences and fundamental mistakes
I learn art alone. And well, it work really for me. I think the reason is because that I learn appreciate my own stuff. Instead of admiration and more self reflection that I’m a one person. Who’s having fun.
Honestly 80% of the critiques I see online are like the poor quality critiques shown near the end of the video. If on top of that you strugle to fit in, not a pillar of the community type, have social anxiety/neurodivergent or what have you it's going to be hard to make it work and will take a lot of effort.
I’m not alone thoughhh I listen to your channel and other art RUclips that help me when I draw : D but it actually is pretty hard finding art friends x))
It really is!!! And for me, sometimes even exhausting. That being said, I'm glad I put the work to meet new people, when days are hard it helps a lot knowing there's someone who gets it, and their positive comments are like gold for the soul
The idea is that, if you can't see a way to improve, that's when you need that outside critique the most. But in my opinion, you should be getting critiques before you get to that point, so you're always learning and not getting stuck.
I wanted to improve my drawing skills because of two of my best Friends who are BEASTS at drawing. They always gives me feedbacks and advices. Im improving alot thanks to them and thanks to my father who bought me books that made my life way easier. Oh and ofc channels like yours helps me alot everytime.
i used to have one art friend but after they switched schools, my art improvement has gone drastically slow tbh. it took me at least probably 1 year to even at least straighten my lines and use proper color. also, I've been watching ur videos for some time now, and I rlly enjoyed it! thanks for the tips that I can use so I can at least get better at art!
Great tips on asking and giving critique! I think the reason why I struggle receiving critique sometimes isn't so much "not separating art from the artist" as it is "but I spent so much time doing this!" There's a time and emotional investment into art that gets to me sometimes. When it does, I just remind myself about reasons why I ask for feedback: 1. To get better 2. To see flaws I might not be able to see 3. To see flaws I might not even consider looking for (like a good art piece that just doesn't appeal the primary audience of a platform) But on this note, I think it's always useful to tell the person you're critiquing what they actually have done well (that's why I prefer the term "feedback" over the term "critique"). Apart from the obvious confidence boost it can give them, it also helps them focus on certain areas that they might enjoy the most. If the person isn't great at anatomy, but amazing in simplifying shapes, maybe they should ask themselves, "Is that what I want to do with my art" - an important inquiry for any artist. And remember -- he best way to learn things is to teach them to others.
In latinamerica we don't have money to pay art classes sadly, the art schools are limited and the ones on internet are very expensive, so most of us just improve by people on social media, doing things like imitating other draws for example, actions that sounds very dumb at first but that can make you a high level artist
These are great tips about what a good critique is (it’s a great re-frame to recognize them as favors!), how to ask for one, and what to expect in general as an artist. I wanted to be an artist as a kid and only recently got back into learning the fundamentals now as an adult. So at this point, I find I love people just seeing my progress, because I love seeing my progress and knowing I’m drawing again, mistakes and all! It makes me happy so I’m weirdly ok with getting critiques and letting ppl see my art 😅 just friends and family for now tho 😂 love the chill and humorous style of these videos and I hope I can catch a stream one of these days 👍🏼
my biggest help in art has been having people critique and give feed back. going to a course soon to get help from a bunch of people so im very excited
3:50 literally me at my job whenever the programmers have any artistic ideas (esp the ones they didnt get from chatGPT) I just get so supportive and excited for them. Anyone who wants to get into art deserve the encouragement to do so
I got priced out of apprenticeship and bawled my eyes out lmao It was soooooo nice. I miss it all the time... i remember i was so proud and amazed by everything that i didnt mind the hours long drive there and back every day.
Honestly meeting three buddies through art is what kept me going. I gave up for most of highschool and ended up meeting people who would push me forward to where I stand now. Alone is fine, it can be done but with friends it's so much more fun
One of my biggest problems is how to effectively practice but also something no one talks about how you hold your pen and move your hand, quick long strokes vs small sketch lines , elbow on the desk, hand on the desk, whole arm lifted off the desk I’m trying to improve in this area but it’s hard
Honestly, I do think it's really important for experienced artists to teach "younger" artists to *ask* for critique + *how* to ask for critique. I've had many people come up to me, wanting to show me their work. Maybe it's something else for me to learn... but I'm always lost on whether they want my feedback, or they just want to share/receive support. Two days ago, a co-worker showed me her drawing. Surprisingly, about 3 of my co-workers like to draw here and there. None of them have had training in the fundamentals, but other than that, I have no idea what their experience has been. So two days ago, I knew immediately something I could share with her that would help her improve-- something simple, and achievable with a little effort. I won't risk hurting a budding creative spirit when I have no idea what their story/experience is, so I defaulted to honest encouragement. But you got me thinking how if I was around an artist with more than 10 years more experience or equivalent training than me... I would really want their guidance, and I would be comfortable asking because someone taught me how to. Maybe I should learn more about what my co-workers want, first.
I am really fortunate to have some art friends! and I think the healthiest part about asking for critique from each other is the "oh it's looking really good, I really like what you did with xyz! Maybe you could change y a bit like so and so to make it look even better, or maybe the position of x is a little bit off. Making sure to lift each other up and compliment what we see that looks good, but also be able to give constructive criticism of what is off, or needs adjusting has been so healthy. I've been in 3D art communities before, where, sure I made pretty good models but I was still very new, and I would get ripped to shreds completely ruining my want for continuing to learn.
Just what I needed Picat. I started drawing no more than a month ago, I am a designer but I always wanted to learn to draw and paint, the problem is that without money and with few options, well, it is difficult, but it is not impossible. Besides not having friends who know about art. And living in latam dosent help a lot too😅
Yep critiques are like a boost for you to evolve faster! I always want people to be honest if they don’t like something, even if it’s brutal, it always helps! On highschool we would critique our weekly drawings on a table and learn a lot from it! At first it was a bit harsh, sometimes, but you get used to it, and start to learn which critiques you should really listen to or not! Plus it really made you want to do better and different from the others XD
As someone who is using art to cure my mental illnesses, I can say it does help, no matter how good or bad you actually are just noticing and valuing your feelings with art make it worthwhile
As someone who sees a therapist I can definitely recommend seeing a good therapist. I love art but for me a therapist has been helping me recover a lot faster than any other method. That being said each person is different and not all therapists are the same. Some people don’t find a good therapist on the first try.
@TheMarasamaru I didn't do anything really, glad I could help. I want to see what your feeling might come up with, simply dumping all your feelings on paper is beautiful in my opinion.
Always important to find a server, even in the event that you do not have someone to get feedback from, as getting feedback will show you things that not only you can find in your art.
As a vocal coach I can subscribe to the idea of giving critiques. I have to do it for work and not only what you said is right, but it also improves yourself too. When giving critiques and suggestions you are forced to think about what you're doing yourself in autopilot. You do more conscious decisions in your craft and may result in breakthroughs!
"a critique needs to know the difference between a 'mistake' and 'personal preference', as well as how to fix it and effectively communicate it" a critique is, in the end, you pressing both whatever objective information you know AND your opinions on to someone else's work. a critique is only as valuable as a person who knows HOW to critique, and that includes everything said above PLUS someone who doesn't get pissy when a receiver says 'im not taking critiques'. (this goes triple for unsolicited critique, for some reason people who give unsol. crit. get reallllyyyy touchy when someone says 'no'. a lot of times someone is gonna go 'i'm just telling you so you can improve!' but conveniently ignores that the person who they randomly walked up to and started telling them how to do xyz does not know them, nor do they trust them, and finally did not give permission to do so.) moreover, and i cannot stress this enough, A CRITIQUE IS NOT IMMUNE TO CRITICISM. getting critiqued isn't someone passively taking everything everyone else is telling them to do forever. you should always have the autonomy to go 'hey, i don't think you have the same objective as i do for my own art, so no thank you.' they could be right, or wrong, but either way, the receiver should ALWAYS have as much of a say. there's no need to be mean, on either the giving or receiving side.
Definitely! Just because you receive the advice or comment doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. It's a recommendation and only becomes more than that if you give the feedback that power. I feel like a lot of people could learn how to say "thank you for your feedback" and then not implement it in their work (this does not apply to cases where someone gives unsolicited critique).
Recently i just started to draw for fun and one of the issues i have when i start something new in general is that i quickly abandon it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this, i will try to apply it.
Hi Pikat! 👋 I just recently discovered your channel, and I love the messages of encouragement and the helpful information of developing as an artist. Im on an artistic journey right now, and I've been through most of this because of school, but my art is not strong, and it's something I'm working on. Also, I'm going to try meeting up with artists again. Anyway, I'm talking too much. lol point is, I really value the advice you are providing, and thank you for sharing.
This!! I personally like to make use of the discord critique channels. It is hit or miss, but my god have I gotten some amazing feedback from these people. And yes, being specific is really important there.
3:37 as someone going to Full Sail for my BA in game design, I feel like this applied to me way more specifically than it should have and I appreciate you so much more now lol
I am a trained artist which I used to have a really bad art preference during drawing but my knowledge was insanely wide for a reason but couldn't improve on art preference, then I met some art friends it improved my way. Lots of things changed just because of having company and feedback from people you know
YES, FULLY AGREE critisism is a great way to learn your weaknesses and improve, i remember back in 2016 i was really bad at proportions, and it was thanks to some genuinely lovely people helping me out that i managed to improve, within a year my growth went through the roof
There's a huge difference between "this piece of art is bad because..." and "This looks nice. If you did ... then it could look even nicer". Especially beginners need any positive encouragement they can get. After all getting good in art is difficult and time consuming. Even for those who have no issues integrating into communities. ^^"
Yeah, I've been avoiding showing my word for 3 years now. It was a strenuous process, to say the least. I was petrified that their expectations of my art would be destroyed, but ive accepted that now
I have too many factors working against me. I'll list them up if you're in any way interested: - social anxiety: i haven't made any good experiences taling with people for the longest time, partially because of both age gaps and differences in interests (and the one person who kinda shares my interests is on the other side of the world) - fear of confrontation: Due to past and even present experiences, i stay away from any, if not all confrontation. It just never worked out. Problems were never solved, involving myself in others' problems only made me participate with no gain on either side, i am never listened to when i try to help, and worst of all, many confrontations just ended up getting worse the more i spoke up about anything. How does that relate to art? Well, i happen to have mislearned to associate criticism with confrontation, and i instinctively stay away from any potential sources of it. That, and there's the chance to just never be perceived, which completely shuts down any motivation i may have had before. Basically, you can't find me engaging in communities, even if i plan to do so. - past experiences with disinterest: back then, as much as nowadays, nobody i was close to shared my interests.... ok, there were some, but i did NOT get along with them in the slightest. They were either hyperactive nutjobs with no consideration for boundaries, or we didn't get along at all. Nobody supported my interests, not in my family, and i had no friends to share interests with.... at least, not for long. - separation anxiety: this may seem unrelated, but my lack of lasting friendships has really broken me. In my case, separation anxiety is not about the inability to let go of people, but rather instinctively avoiding friendships altogether out of fear of loosing them (too soon) after growing too attached to them. I'm not just avoiding communities for the points mentioned above. I fear, that if i get into contact with any of them, even if it's completely casual, that i'd get hurt from the others' lack of care or inability to stay connected. I won't say why it could be, but the point still stands. It's just another reason to stay away from communities and to not communicate much, if at all, in chats. And with that, adds to the many obstacles to overcome if i want proper feedback on anything i want to get better at. There is certainly more, but i'm too tired to think of them. I am effectively closed off from social interaction, and left without anyone to judge or support my works, and with hardly any way to get help either.
More than feedback, learning alone feels sometimes sad, nobody to talk. A lot of people says "just ask online, join a community", yeah, that doesn't work for me, I struggle opening up to people, more so online.
I have a friend that I made past year and also does art, its pretty cool to give eachother feedback of tips since there are some problems in my art I dont see but he sees and viceversa, we've both been able to improve a lot
I was worried that finding people to critique my art would be a hassle, but if you’re supposed to ask for critiques when you feel good about your art then I can relax.
I am that friend but i dont have a friend to do that for me. Right now though, i dont really need critique but rather just more time to get better. Only picked up drawing again 2-3 weeks ago and whilst ive always been alright at objects and landscapes but not people. Just need to draw more.
honestly before I started watching ur videos I was just doing the same things and not learning more about my style and anatomy but after watching a few of ur videos u have helped me realise that in order to keep improving I need to keep learning and I am so thankful for that.🙏
Well I took art classes in high school, but I've pretty much developed my current style all on my own. And I haven't ever been happier with my art than I am now. I really don't get a lot of critique on it, but I'm very satisfied with how far I've come. I like my style a lot, I'm very happy with my techniques. And I don't be mean to others either.
"self-taught" artist here. Definitely helps having other people / community for improving art. Alternatively, RUclips is a great resource for learning, from my experience at least. Progression is slow this way but it works nonetheless. Watching critiques from other artists is a helpful way to learn. Love the cloud-sire painting
Critique can be so helpful! This is why I go to art school, I can be sure that the critique my professors give me would be a lot better than my friends xD And hearing their feedback also helps me to get better at giving critiques to others, since I know how to look for areas of improvement :) Of course art school isn’t for everyone but as a person who has a hard time working alone and pushing myself to meet personal goals, I think it’s the best decision I made :3
Honestly, I have mixed feelings about this video. Most of the time: art reviews on discord servers are very limited, there's no real help on how to improve concretely or 1 time out of 2, no answer. And these discords are often populated by beginners rather than professional artists. I think we need to develop real mutual aid between artists (of all levels), but unfortunately it's too utopian. It's pretty demoralizing when you don't know anyone in the art world... And since it's still a business, the truth is that very good artists don't have the time or the real desire to do it for free.
I agree BUT it depends on the server, for example I'm part of an NSFW guild and we critique pretty reliably. And then there is servers like "lewd school" which give amazing feedback and it's designed for everyone to learn together
real. even in pikats server there are some rly good artists but a lot of critique givers still have major problems themselves. and they themselves often say "study this and that" wihtout giving actual critiques
Coming from someone who's a total beginner at drawing (much more experienced in 3D) and has some art friends who do fantastic work - the vast majority of beginners really aren't going to be able to feasibly get art friends that just so happen to be better than them, and that are also willing to go out of their way to give proper critiques when asked. In reality, it's either spend money on courses to get feedback from a professional, or spend more time on your own practicing & studying other's (you find better) work until you improve. Even if you did decide to pay money to get proper critiques and advice from a professional, what their teaching will likely always boil down to is just "practice drawing X more from reference to understand & draw it better" - which you could've just learned on your own if you study your own work compared to a master's (or at least someone whose better than you) work side by side. At some point, there's only so much an art teacher / mentor can tell you to try and do before you just have to suck it up and practice what you're trying to learn / being taught. Everyone learns differently, and if you decided to go with an online course to get access to an art mentor, there's no guarantee that they way they might teach or how they explain certain concepts will make more sense to you.
I decided to learn art recently, and have an online friend of mine who is MADLY TALENTED, she has been helping me out and we've been having no-pressure drawing sessions together while watching series! I'm still terrible, but it's been so much fun!! The rate I have been improving is... staggering, I'm genuinely shocked because my expectations were LOWWW
Unfortunately for me I don’t really have many people irl who are interested in art so usually I just end up critiquing myself cause my parents just say all my art is great(when I actually show them a finished piece, which is rare XD) and my online art friends don’t really give much feedback, even when I ask. I myself try not to critique my friends work too much unless they specifically ask for feedback. Sometimes they just want to share some art they’re really proud of ^^
well, the thing is... everyone I know thinks that I'm so good at drawing and stuff but I'm not. I don't know how that information did spread, and why didn't I try to come out and say it wasn't true but it just begun and escalated without my control so fast. And I'm not brave enough to admit being not that good at art even though I never said so in the first place. since now, I've only drawn for my own entertainment and I mean for a non artist my art may look pretty good and even maybe really good but I myself can see I'm not even the medium average and any other artist also can. AND PLENTY OF MY FRIENDS HAPPEN TO EITHER NOT CARE ABOUT IT OR BE ARTISTS THEMSELVES SO THIS MAKES EVERYTHING HARDER. 😭
oh, you see, i already do have a person who specializes in critiquing art who really knows my style and recognizes all of the nuances, depth, and effort of my art. that person is me and i say all of it is shit. i am very reliable.
Remembering the days I asked my parents for critiques. They were actually really good at it for having 0 art experience because they had no strong concept to stylization, so it would help me think about things instead of just copying other drawings. ‘Hm, why did they make the collar bigger than rl? Is that what I want?’
Same, my mom helped me a lot on anatomy fixes cause she hd in interest in it cause she wanted to be a nurse lol. Only thing is I get the advice after I'm done with the illu that I needa paint over the off parts but it helps lololo
One thing I do, is ask if I can draw over their work (digital copy or trace a copy, not directly on it, of course) to provide visual feedback that might help, and I've gotten fair praise for that. It's something that some of my good artist friends did with my art, and I've learned a lot from it.
I've tried to learn art for many times throughout so many years now, But now that I have an art friend to draw with, that actually makes me want to draw more. and now i've drawn everyday for 7 months now.
The artist "community" has been the least helpful community I've ever taken part in. You basically have to be good already before getting any help which makes it awful for beginners and defeats the entire purpose. Here's some words of wisdom from Stephen R. Bissette from a comic class he did. "Share information, share contacts. You are not in competition with one another, you're all in competition with the rest of planet ******** Earth."
Yeah I feel like you have to be 70% of the way there already before anyone whos good at art will even consider helping you. Just like how to get into art school you already have to be a professional(cal arts sketchbooks) It's really fun jumping into discords and trying to get into the conversations and whatnot and having literally every single person there ignore you🤓🤓🤓. Trying to use discord for art just makes me want to draw even less than I already do.
3:46 is probably the most desirable outcome I couldn't consider being a reality at some point. Glad to know it's somewhat more feasible than nonexistant.
I wish I could have had the kind of feedback that I needed, or people I could have asked for critique. I did not learn art mostly alone because I wanted to, but simply because I never seemed to be able to find people who could or would give me advice. Most of my friends drew, but I was the one giving them advice, and most people I knew online did not have time, or never replied back when asked. It kind of sucked, honestly, and often left me feeling rather ailenated in my journey.
This is something that for me is part of a much bigger issue. I have a hard time building relationships with other artists online, so much so that I've managed to be in 3 different friend circles but eventually drift away after a few months. For most of my life I've never really interacted or attempted to be a part of an online community, so getting on discord servers will be me getting on rvery other week, checking the server, but then saying nothing. I kind of have been doing art by myself all this time, and i know it's an issue that's completely my fault and that I should fix, but it's difficult when it's hard making the kinds of connections that are required.
I think the best advice I got from any professor in college was from the one art class I took. For context, I've drawn my whole life and considered myself an artist so the class itself was meant to just be for fun and get an elective credit. I still put my all into my work because it was so fun and one day, my professor came up to me and asked "can I show you something?" I let him thinking "oh, he's going to start pointing out stuff" and then he started lightly erasing a section of the piece I was working on. I was immediately angry and appalled, but I kept my composure as he kept going, saying, "try using less heavy linework when you draw things that are more smooth or shiny. (we were drawing wooden objects) Instead, sketch the line lightly and try erasing it ever so slightly. You're brain will fill in the gaps. There aren't hard lines in real life, just colors, shadows, and light." At that moment, I was completely irritated and thought to myself "I know how to draw, why would you erase my work like that?" However, as the day went on, I followed his advice, at first because he was the one who was going to grade my work, but eventually, I had this moment where I just stopped and looked at my piece from afar and went "... huh. It actually works." Most humbling critique I've ever gotten and I find myself much more open minded when receiving advice or critiques on my work.
I started learning art from 2021, i learn and learn from tutorials, tips and stuff, very much. Because my older sister and older brother is also an artist before me, sometimes when i draw they give me critiques like "why the shoulder so low", "why the head really weird", "the hand is too long", "try flipping the canvas, something looks wrong". It really helps me :D
I met my art friends by just complimenting each other's art from time to time, which turned into critiques and small nitpicks, which turned into friendship, and now I regularly talk to one of them and we share our art as soon as we feel like there's something wrong with it. It really isn't that complicated as you can make it out to be - just surround yourself around decent folks and everything else will follow. Discord is fantastic for this.
@@DjmanG Well at first we met in a random youtuber's server, but then one of us in our little friend group decided to make their own server since the moderation in the other was horrible. It evolved and grew into it's own little thing, but it's still just mainly focused on people we all know personally. Point being, It doesn't have to be an art-related discord, you'd just be really surprised how many artists you'll find if you look for them. Also, artists introduce you to other artists! Having 1 artist friend can be a bit challenging, but having a 2nd is effortless, really.
I found more meaning, experience, and improvement when I was left to my own devices and curating my own sources for learning. Feedback and critique didn't help when I was active in large artist circles, even though I was well acquainted with many people in them. I received more harmful and negative feedback from particular people who tried to lowkey discourage me from trying new things. Real friends did give helpful feedback but at a certain point their own feedback is limited to the knowledge they themselves have when it comes to learning certain fundamentals. You could say perhaps I just had shit luck when it came to people, but after a while I got tired of looking for groups or individuals that could give meaningful feedback or problem solve what areas or exercises I needed to complete in order to improve. If you have no friends, then make resources like books, tutorials, videos, and exercises your best friends.
I thought I would make a lot of art friends in Art School. I don't get why everyone turned out to be so stuck up and bitchy. It felt so odd being a lone artist in an art environment. Critiques sucked but NO JOKE, one time the Professor looked at a Student's work and said "It's perfect. There's nothing to critique." I couldn't believe what I heard! Everyone was better than me, but "Nothing to critique"???
This is why I'm glad my bro showed up in time to break me out of this delusion my dumb mom about had me in by harping on my crappy artworks at the time as being "good" they were literal 4th grade levels of trash, really taught me from then on how to self-critique and watching channels like Drawing Jones and Watts Atelier (who also critique their own work) really helped develop that habit.
Just putting my two cent in: i personally love when people critique my art and projects. I like the challenge of always improving and getting different points of view for the same thing. I once made a 3d miniature, painted it, and as i present it to multiple people they all say different things they feel about it. Some say it needs a lot of work and others find stories that it tells. That is all. Have a great day and stay hydrated❤
As said by Marshall Vandruff "If you want to get better at art, Teaching is one way to do that" or something like that on the draftsmen podcast.. idk.. I want to get better at identifying and solving problems for myself!
Do you have any programming tips so that I can become a programmer, so that I can find people who are good at art, so that I can get art friends, so that I can get art critiques, so that i can get better at art?
I guess you could try to start with Scratch and try to make something simple with it, such as making the Cat say "Hello" when the Green Flag is clicked on. Scratch is good since it can teach you the many different concepts that are typically used in languages such as C/C++, Python, Lua and etc.
Taking a critique is a skill in itself, some aren't very good at them(ahem, me). I used to not like how not good I was but compared to the mental toll I get from taking critiques, I'm feeling ok with being not good I am. At least I can just draw.
Oh hey, it's Irasutoya lol I'm in Japan. Irasutoya is really EVERYWHERE in the business space lol Can't look at any company site or presentation without seeing it (kind of like Facebook Alegria used to be everywhere in the West). I didn't expect to see it on the western side as well, but I guess it is useful and cute.
The problem with people who love art is that many of them (including me) dont have any people or friends that really care about art, even tho a lot of people around the world love it, its not easy to find someone which really likes it in your environment
I'll be your art friend
Yeah, it's a struggle I've encountered before. When I started my journey I was pretty much on my own, my friends liked what I did but the conversations were never about it.
What made a huge change in my life was leaving a comment in posts with 0 or few comments (twitter), something as simple as "I like your art", and eventually I met someone who I really like their style, and was also interested in forming new connections. And that happened many times, some stuck and some didn't and that's alright!!
I think a lot of us want to find our people, so taking the initiative will put you at an advantage to find and meet the people who care. Organizing art collabs, drawing their OCs, hyping them up. I know it's a lot of work, but someone has to do it.
It's the "extrovert adopting an introvert" meme. Sometimes you have to be the less-introvert.
@@DjmanG I would love to
@@navix1x that's a really awesome tip!! Thank you
@@DjmanG exactly...thats the problem
Me: asking for critique
Art friends : Oh it looks great!
Me: :PPPPPPPPPP
Yeah I've got the same problem, maybe it's time to hit Deviantart or Twitter.
same... they tell me, oh no, you're a lot better than me. or it's good already. that's why i like asking feedback from strangers on other communities outside my circle.
If I give honest critique we not friend anymore :P
im glad i got a friend who could be honest and tell me that something i made looks like shit
that's the worst. If only there would be a discord server for artist sharing art between themselves and sharing feedback.
Most people dont realize that even getting detailed critique is a sign that you're getting someowhere because most people I know will critique artists that look like they have potential.
Absolutely. You won’t get a detailed answer from someone, if they assume you don’t have the skill to apply what they’re saying.
Getting good feedback is the hardest thing in the world
I need someone who better than me to help me, and that’s hard to find.
@@exiaax You probably haven't looked far enough.
I’m simply too unmotivated to try and look for people with similar interests as me. My critique is looking at my art and going “Nah wth is this on my screen” and then taking a break for 2 weeks
I feel your pain.
Same
I didn’t laugh because it was funny (it was) I laughed because it was way too relatable
"Wth is this on my screen" lmao every I zoom out or flip the art
guys, i'm getting my first job. how many good artists will usually be in a steel mill?
I have no friends LOL
lets be art friends :3
Relatable
Yeah...
It's not a question, it's about answer
Bro bro has no freinds he has no feedback😭
as a programmer with 6 years into that career and trying to move to an art career, i guess i'm in the right path lmao
Only 4 years left
oh! if you dont mind me asking why are you trying to switch career?
@@Hyde_Tolut sure, i dont mind answering that. i started working as a software dev ( IT ) when i was 18 after busting up my 2 hands , i used to want to be a solo pianist for orchestra , but with my 2 hands fucked up i couldnt practice too much everyday without feeling like my hands were falling off of my arms ( today i dont have any more pain in the hands like that, but i still cant practice for more than 1h with consistent quality ) - so , with no prospects of having a job, i started working as a software dev since i always messed with computers n all that - roughly 2.5 years ago i started drawing to make up for my "creative time" i had with the piano - and as time went on i started putting more and more hours into studying art , up to the point that i realized that i'd be much happier to work as an artist than dev - i know that doing something as a hobby isnt as fun as doing it as a job, but still, programming is stressfull and the more you go up in the career ladder, the less "operational" you are ( you write less code ) and you start having to deal with more "technical paperwork" situations, which are even more stressfull. if you ( or anyone else in that matter ) wanna talk more deeply into it cuz you wanna get into IT or just advice in that kind of thing in general , my ig tag is "necrocake_art"
@@cake869 I'm exactly like you, I'm a software developer (mobile and web with react). I love programming, but I realized that what I actually want to do is game development. I wouldn't be leaving IT anytime soon since I need to eat, however, I find it easier for an artist to become a game dev than the opposite (programmer). Most solo developer I found online can somewhat create assets by themselves (they still use asset store but being able to create your own style is a plus). Hence, why I am here. I'm going long term, learning to draw, going to 2d animation, and, hopefully, get into 3d somewhere in the next 5 years.
@@brianr.6376 damn 5 years sounds a lot of time, scary
yay another video telling me to do the one thing I can't seem to do on my art journey
I joke, but still, even in art discords and all that unless you're getting a tutor its sort of up in the air and getting critique is really hit or miss, not to mention the constant need to stay consistant and give back to others, this social thing was never easy and is only getting harder and now its a necesity
yeah, even as an introvert with 0 social difficulties, i always think to myself: "can't i just pay them 10 bucks?".
but seriously, insincerely socializing where you're getting close to people and being outwardly nice just to get something other than a lasting relationship (in this case some feedback) is exhausting and kind of against my moral values. i don't really want to put up a facade all the time, so can't you just give me what i want for 10 bucks?
Yeah, I already got it. I just have no art friends and don't know where to find ones. Used to have in school, but we went separate ways.
And online I'm still scared of a language barrier, even if people say my eng is fine.
Yeah same, as an esl, I am so scared of getting into vc and talk to people
@@whydidyoureadmyname245🤝
Me too, my native language it's Spanish so at times it gets daunting
As someone whose mother tongue is spanish and used to have lots of anxiety when using english, the trick is to have a simple realization "Almost no one speaks/write X language properly, be it native or foreign", just think about it in whatever is your native language, I know a lot of people who have bad spanish grammar, I know even more people that pronounce words differently than how the dictionary says, and guess what? we still can understand each other without ridiculizing.
My realization came when, after watching a lot of youtube, I found out lots of great channels (and in some cases, conferences/interviews with professionals on x areas) with hosts that have pretty noticeable accents (at times extremely thick) that makes them have more often than not "Bad pronounciation", but pretty much no one cares.
And in regards of writing, years of social media, forums, fanfics, reviews, blogs, etc, etc, made me realize the same.
Finally, if someone really tries to bring you down for not having a perfect pronounciation/grammar/syntax from the get go, those are true assholes that should be ignored, normal people either won't care as long as they understand you (which is pretty easy for native speakers), or actually help you to get better, bit by bit
same :( i'm often a little scared of being rude by accident.
Feedback is only valid when the person that gives you feedback knows what there talking about. And the feedback/critique is working for you. Everyone learns differently and people only tell you what works for them. Not necessarily you.
I have received so much useless feedback, more than half of the time they are completely meaningless, and the person has no idea what they are talking about.
Yes this!! I saw so many random comments from artwork on social medias and most of the time it's beginner giving opinion, they don't know difference between personal preferences and fundamental mistakes
I learn art alone. And well, it work really for me. I think the reason is because that I learn appreciate my own stuff. Instead of admiration and more self reflection that I’m a one person. Who’s having fun.
Honestly 80% of the critiques I see online are like the poor quality critiques shown near the end of the video. If on top of that you strugle to fit in, not a pillar of the community type, have social anxiety/neurodivergent or what have you it's going to be hard to make it work and will take a lot of effort.
I need to give critiques now so I get other people's critiques for my art myself. Thank you!
Yes, let's!
Also wanna be moots :PP
@@CinnamonCatX Moots?
I’m not alone thoughhh I listen to your channel and other art RUclips that help me when I draw : D but it actually is pretty hard finding art friends x))
The discord notification sound is killing me x,x
It really is!!! And for me, sometimes even exhausting. That being said, I'm glad I put the work to meet new people, when days are hard it helps a lot knowing there's someone who gets it, and their positive comments are like gold for the soul
Look no further, I AM HERE! XD
>the best time to get critique is when you think your art is perfect
but i never feel like that...
The idea is that, if you can't see a way to improve, that's when you need that outside critique the most. But in my opinion, you should be getting critiques before you get to that point, so you're always learning and not getting stuck.
I wanted to improve my drawing skills because of two of my best Friends who are BEASTS at drawing. They always gives me feedbacks and advices. Im improving alot thanks to them and thanks to my father who bought me books that made my life way easier. Oh and ofc channels like yours helps me alot everytime.
I feel like we could talk about that together, yeah?
i used to have one art friend but after they switched schools, my art improvement has gone drastically slow tbh. it took me at least probably 1 year to even at least straighten my lines and use proper color. also, I've been watching ur videos for some time now, and I rlly enjoyed it! thanks for the tips that I can use so I can at least get better at art!
Great tips on asking and giving critique!
I think the reason why I struggle receiving critique sometimes isn't so much "not separating art from the artist" as it is "but I spent so much time doing this!"
There's a time and emotional investment into art that gets to me sometimes.
When it does, I just remind myself about reasons why I ask for feedback:
1. To get better
2. To see flaws I might not be able to see
3. To see flaws I might not even consider looking for (like a good art piece that just doesn't appeal the primary audience of a platform)
But on this note, I think it's always useful to tell the person you're critiquing what they actually have done well (that's why I prefer the term "feedback" over the term "critique"). Apart from the obvious confidence boost it can give them, it also helps them focus on certain areas that they might enjoy the most. If the person isn't great at anatomy, but amazing in simplifying shapes, maybe they should ask themselves, "Is that what I want to do with my art" - an important inquiry for any artist.
And remember -- he best way to learn things is to teach them to others.
i love the picture being worked on in bg of this.
In latinamerica we don't have money to pay art classes sadly, the art schools are limited and the ones on internet are very expensive, so most of us just improve by people on social media, doing things like imitating other draws for example, actions that sounds very dumb at first but that can make you a high level artist
Facts 💀💀💀
Verdade man
These are great tips about what a good critique is (it’s a great re-frame to recognize them as favors!), how to ask for one, and what to expect in general as an artist. I wanted to be an artist as a kid and only recently got back into learning the fundamentals now as an adult. So at this point, I find I love people just seeing my progress, because I love seeing my progress and knowing I’m drawing again, mistakes and all! It makes me happy so I’m weirdly ok with getting critiques and letting ppl see my art 😅 just friends and family for now tho 😂 love the chill and humorous style of these videos and I hope I can catch a stream one of these days 👍🏼
Oh my god I’m gonna cry - I’ve been looking for your channel for like hours and RUclips kept giving me purple hair guy
my biggest help in art has been having people critique and give feed back. going to a course soon to get help from a bunch of people so im very excited
3:50 literally me at my job whenever the programmers have any artistic ideas (esp the ones they didnt get from chatGPT) I just get so supportive and excited for them. Anyone who wants to get into art deserve the encouragement to do so
As a programmer getting into art, let me just say thank you for your service
I got priced out of apprenticeship and bawled my eyes out lmao It was soooooo nice. I miss it all the time... i remember i was so proud and amazed by everything that i didnt mind the hours long drive there and back every day.
Honestly meeting three buddies through art is what kept me going. I gave up for most of highschool and ended up meeting people who would push me forward to where I stand now. Alone is fine, it can be done but with friends it's so much more fun
One of my biggest problems is how to effectively practice but also something no one talks about how you hold your pen and move your hand, quick long strokes vs small sketch lines , elbow on the desk, hand on the desk, whole arm lifted off the desk I’m trying to improve in this area but it’s hard
That discord ping sound kills me everytime 😭
great video though!
i kept looking at my discord window and wondering why there were no new posts from friends. played like a fiddle
i was literally getting so pissed off until i realized
Honestly, I do think it's really important for experienced artists to teach "younger" artists to *ask* for critique + *how* to ask for critique. I've had many people come up to me, wanting to show me their work. Maybe it's something else for me to learn... but I'm always lost on whether they want my feedback, or they just want to share/receive support. Two days ago, a co-worker showed me her drawing. Surprisingly, about 3 of my co-workers like to draw here and there. None of them have had training in the fundamentals, but other than that, I have no idea what their experience has been. So two days ago, I knew immediately something I could share with her that would help her improve-- something simple, and achievable with a little effort. I won't risk hurting a budding creative spirit when I have no idea what their story/experience is, so I defaulted to honest encouragement. But you got me thinking how if I was around an artist with more than 10 years more experience or equivalent training than me... I would really want their guidance, and I would be comfortable asking because someone taught me how to. Maybe I should learn more about what my co-workers want, first.
I am really fortunate to have some art friends! and I think the healthiest part about asking for critique from each other is the "oh it's looking really good, I really like what you did with xyz! Maybe you could change y a bit like so and so to make it look even better, or maybe the position of x is a little bit off.
Making sure to lift each other up and compliment what we see that looks good, but also be able to give constructive criticism of what is off, or needs adjusting has been so healthy.
I've been in 3D art communities before, where, sure I made pretty good models but I was still very new, and I would get ripped to shreds completely ruining my want for continuing to learn.
Just what I needed Picat. I started drawing no more than a month ago, I am a designer but I always wanted to learn to draw and paint, the problem is that without money and with few options, well, it is difficult, but it is not impossible. Besides not having friends who know about art. And living in latam dosent help a lot too😅
oh the smile that appeared on my face when i saw the big Clodsire in the clouds❤❤
Yep critiques are like a boost for you to evolve faster! I always want people to be honest if they don’t like something, even if it’s brutal, it always helps!
On highschool we would critique our weekly drawings on a table and learn a lot from it! At first it was a bit harsh, sometimes, but you get used to it, and start to learn which critiques you should really listen to or not! Plus it really made you want to do better and different from the others XD
I always feel lonely. Learning art might help me feel less lonely. Or i could just get therapy. Idk anymore.
As someone who is using art to cure my mental illnesses, I can say it does help, no matter how good or bad you actually are just noticing and valuing your feelings with art make it worthwhile
As someone who sees a therapist I can definitely recommend seeing a good therapist. I love art but for me a therapist has been helping me recover a lot faster than any other method. That being said each person is different and not all therapists are the same. Some people don’t find a good therapist on the first try.
No mater what I hope you reach your goals a conquer your challenge
@@chaos1controlchaos264 thank you, it means a lot.
@TheMarasamaru I didn't do anything really, glad I could help.
I want to see what your feeling might come up with, simply dumping all your feelings on paper is beautiful in my opinion.
Always important to find a server, even in the event that you do not have someone to get feedback from, as getting feedback will show you things that not only you can find in your art.
As a vocal coach I can subscribe to the idea of giving critiques.
I have to do it for work and not only what you said is right, but it also improves yourself too.
When giving critiques and suggestions you are forced to think about what you're doing yourself in autopilot.
You do more conscious decisions in your craft and may result in breakthroughs!
You’re such a good teacher, thanks
"a critique needs to know the difference between a 'mistake' and 'personal preference', as well as how to fix it and effectively communicate it"
a critique is, in the end, you pressing both whatever objective information you know AND your opinions on to someone else's work. a critique is only as valuable as a person who knows HOW to critique, and that includes everything said above PLUS someone who doesn't get pissy when a receiver says 'im not taking critiques'. (this goes triple for unsolicited critique, for some reason people who give unsol. crit. get reallllyyyy touchy when someone says 'no'. a lot of times someone is gonna go 'i'm just telling you so you can improve!' but conveniently ignores that the person who they randomly walked up to and started telling them how to do xyz does not know them, nor do they trust them, and finally did not give permission to do so.)
moreover, and i cannot stress this enough, A CRITIQUE IS NOT IMMUNE TO CRITICISM.
getting critiqued isn't someone passively taking everything everyone else is telling them to do forever. you should always have the autonomy to go 'hey, i don't think you have the same objective as i do for my own art, so no thank you.' they could be right, or wrong, but either way, the receiver should ALWAYS have as much of a say.
there's no need to be mean, on either the giving or receiving side.
Definitely! Just because you receive the advice or comment doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. It's a recommendation and only becomes more than that if you give the feedback that power. I feel like a lot of people could learn how to say "thank you for your feedback" and then not implement it in their work (this does not apply to cases where someone gives unsolicited critique).
Will probably continue studying art alone, I can't find a single art group in my near zone/country or in general
We could be online art friends if u want
@@Moon-0122 it would be awesome😭
Recently i just started to draw for fun and one of the issues i have when i start something new in general is that i quickly abandon it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this, i will try to apply it.
Hi Pikat! 👋 I just recently discovered your channel, and I love the messages of encouragement and the helpful information of developing as an artist. Im on an artistic journey right now, and I've been through most of this because of school, but my art is not strong, and it's something I'm working on. Also, I'm going to try meeting up with artists again. Anyway, I'm talking too much. lol point is, I really value the advice you are providing, and thank you for sharing.
I was here for like an hour of this stream! Great video as always
This!! I personally like to make use of the discord critique channels. It is hit or miss, but my god have I gotten some amazing feedback from these people. And yes, being specific is really important there.
3:37 as someone going to Full Sail for my BA in game design, I feel like this applied to me way more specifically than it should have and I appreciate you so much more now lol
Thank you for this..BTW.. I love the faces with emotions you draw...LOVE them..
Learning alone sucks but is the reality, i think everyone need to learn art alone, even if it sucks.
Never have I known I needed to see a cloud-sire until now. 😍
What the heck? This video felt like it was aimed directly at me xD Thanks for such a compact, informative little video.
I am a trained artist which I used to have a really bad art preference during drawing but my knowledge was insanely wide for a reason but couldn't improve on art preference, then I met some art friends it improved my way. Lots of things changed just because of having company and feedback from people you know
YES, FULLY AGREE
critisism is a great way to learn your weaknesses and improve, i remember back in 2016 i was really bad at proportions, and it was thanks to some genuinely lovely people helping me out that i managed to improve, within a year my growth went through the roof
There's a huge difference between "this piece of art is bad because..." and "This looks nice. If you did ... then it could look even nicer". Especially beginners need any positive encouragement they can get. After all getting good in art is difficult and time consuming.
Even for those who have no issues integrating into communities. ^^"
Yeah, I've been avoiding showing my word for 3 years now. It was a strenuous process, to say the least. I was petrified that their expectations of my art would be destroyed, but ive accepted that now
I have too many factors working against me. I'll list them up if you're in any way interested:
- social anxiety: i haven't made any good experiences taling with people for the longest time, partially because of both age gaps and differences in interests (and the one person who kinda shares my interests is on the other side of the world)
- fear of confrontation: Due to past and even present experiences, i stay away from any, if not all confrontation. It just never worked out. Problems were never solved, involving myself in others' problems only made me participate with no gain on either side, i am never listened to when i try to help, and worst of all, many confrontations just ended up getting worse the more i spoke up about anything. How does that relate to art? Well, i happen to have mislearned to associate criticism with confrontation, and i instinctively stay away from any potential sources of it. That, and there's the chance to just never be perceived, which completely shuts down any motivation i may have had before. Basically, you can't find me engaging in communities, even if i plan to do so.
- past experiences with disinterest: back then, as much as nowadays, nobody i was close to shared my interests.... ok, there were some, but i did NOT get along with them in the slightest. They were either hyperactive nutjobs with no consideration for boundaries, or we didn't get along at all. Nobody supported my interests, not in my family, and i had no friends to share interests with.... at least, not for long.
- separation anxiety: this may seem unrelated, but my lack of lasting friendships has really broken me. In my case, separation anxiety is not about the inability to let go of people, but rather instinctively avoiding friendships altogether out of fear of loosing them (too soon) after growing too attached to them. I'm not just avoiding communities for the points mentioned above. I fear, that if i get into contact with any of them, even if it's completely casual, that i'd get hurt from the others' lack of care or inability to stay connected. I won't say why it could be, but the point still stands. It's just another reason to stay away from communities and to not communicate much, if at all, in chats. And with that, adds to the many obstacles to overcome if i want proper feedback on anything i want to get better at.
There is certainly more, but i'm too tired to think of them. I am effectively closed off from social interaction, and left without anyone to judge or support my works, and with hardly any way to get help either.
How badly I needed this video. Thank you so much🙂
More than feedback, learning alone feels sometimes sad, nobody to talk. A lot of people says "just ask online, join a community", yeah, that doesn't work for me, I struggle opening up to people, more so online.
I have a friend that I made past year and also does art, its pretty cool to give eachother feedback of tips since there are some problems in my art I dont see but he sees and viceversa, we've both been able to improve a lot
I was worried that finding people to critique my art would be a hassle, but if you’re supposed to ask for critiques when you feel good about your art then I can relax.
I am that friend but i dont have a friend to do that for me. Right now though, i dont really need critique but rather just more time to get better. Only picked up drawing again 2-3 weeks ago and whilst ive always been alright at objects and landscapes but not people. Just need to draw more.
I do really like the videos with the vtuber model talking, i find pretty unique and cool, nice video as always!
the eldritch horror arts for the criticism examples, i wouldnt even know how to critique it 💀💀💀
honestly before I started watching ur videos I was just doing the same things and not learning more about my style and anatomy but after watching a few of ur videos u have helped me realise that in order to keep improving I need to keep learning and I am so thankful for that.🙏
Well I took art classes in high school, but I've pretty much developed my current style all on my own. And I haven't ever been happier with my art than I am now. I really don't get a lot of critique on it, but I'm very satisfied with how far I've come. I like my style a lot, I'm very happy with my techniques. And I don't be mean to others either.
"self-taught" artist here. Definitely helps having other people / community for improving art. Alternatively, RUclips is a great resource for learning, from my experience at least. Progression is slow this way but it works nonetheless. Watching critiques from other artists is a helpful way to learn. Love the cloud-sire painting
I'd rather have critiques rather than everyone telling you everything is great
"Have Friends"
Hm alright.
"Who are better than you."
None of my friends draw.
"Or money"
IM POOR! FUCK!
Joining art pros server truly boosted my improvements, their points are so on point to fix my mistakes.
Where can i find one?
Yeah I’d like to find one too!
can you link one pls?
Critique can be so helpful! This is why I go to art school, I can be sure that the critique my professors give me would be a lot better than my friends xD And hearing their feedback also helps me to get better at giving critiques to others, since I know how to look for areas of improvement :) Of course art school isn’t for everyone but as a person who has a hard time working alone and pushing myself to meet personal goals, I think it’s the best decision I made :3
Honestly, I have mixed feelings about this video. Most of the time: art reviews on discord servers are very limited, there's no real help on how to improve concretely or 1 time out of 2, no answer. And these discords are often populated by beginners rather than professional artists. I think we need to develop real mutual aid between artists (of all levels), but unfortunately it's too utopian. It's pretty demoralizing when you don't know anyone in the art world... And since it's still a business, the truth is that very good artists don't have the time or the real desire to do it for free.
I agree BUT it depends on the server, for example I'm part of an NSFW guild and we critique pretty reliably. And then there is servers like "lewd school" which give amazing feedback and it's designed for everyone to learn together
real. even in pikats server there are some rly good artists but a lot of critique givers still have major problems themselves. and they themselves often say "study this and that" wihtout giving actual critiques
Coming from someone who's a total beginner at drawing (much more experienced in 3D) and has some art friends who do fantastic work - the vast majority of beginners really aren't going to be able to feasibly get art friends that just so happen to be better than them, and that are also willing to go out of their way to give proper critiques when asked. In reality, it's either spend money on courses to get feedback from a professional, or spend more time on your own practicing & studying other's (you find better) work until you improve. Even if you did decide to pay money to get proper critiques and advice from a professional, what their teaching will likely always boil down to is just "practice drawing X more from reference to understand & draw it better" - which you could've just learned on your own if you study your own work compared to a master's (or at least someone whose better than you) work side by side. At some point, there's only so much an art teacher / mentor can tell you to try and do before you just have to suck it up and practice what you're trying to learn / being taught. Everyone learns differently, and if you decided to go with an online course to get access to an art mentor, there's no guarantee that they way they might teach or how they explain certain concepts will make more sense to you.
I decided to learn art recently, and have an online friend of mine who is MADLY TALENTED, she has been helping me out and we've been having no-pressure drawing sessions together while watching series! I'm still terrible, but it's been so much fun!! The rate I have been improving is... staggering, I'm genuinely shocked because my expectations were LOWWW
thank you and thank you for showing me the great clodsire in the sky
This video was really helpful! Thank you, You got a new sub! 🙌
Unfortunately for me I don’t really have many people irl who are interested in art so usually I just end up critiquing myself cause my parents just say all my art is great(when I actually show them a finished piece, which is rare XD) and my online art friends don’t really give much feedback, even when I ask. I myself try not to critique my friends work too much unless they specifically ask for feedback. Sometimes they just want to share some art they’re really proud of ^^
Social isolation has been my only help for the last year in my art progress and no chances of ever having a friend so I’m stuck for good!!!!!
This is why I'm cautiously open to taking an art path in senior high, cautious because I'm not really social.
well, the thing is... everyone I know thinks that I'm so good at drawing and stuff but I'm not. I don't know how that information did spread, and why didn't I try to come out and say it wasn't true but it just begun and escalated without my control so fast. And I'm not brave enough to admit being not that good at art even though I never said so in the first place. since now, I've only drawn for my own entertainment and I mean for a non artist my art may look pretty good and even maybe really good but I myself can see I'm not even the medium average and any other artist also can. AND PLENTY OF MY FRIENDS HAPPEN TO EITHER NOT CARE ABOUT IT OR BE ARTISTS THEMSELVES SO THIS MAKES EVERYTHING HARDER. 😭
oh, you see, i already do have a person who specializes in critiquing art who really knows my style and recognizes all of the nuances, depth, and effort of my art.
that person is me and i say all of it is shit.
i am very reliable.
Your avatar is pretty good, I love the pixel art style, will you make a tutorial at some point?
I know a discord from this youtube channel: "art prof: create & critique" I like it so far
Remembering the days I asked my parents for critiques. They were actually really good at it for having 0 art experience because they had no strong concept to stylization, so it would help me think about things instead of just copying other drawings. ‘Hm, why did they make the collar bigger than rl? Is that what I want?’
Same, my mom helped me a lot on anatomy fixes cause she hd in interest in it cause she wanted to be a nurse lol. Only thing is I get the advice after I'm done with the illu that I needa paint over the off parts but it helps lololo
Im glad my older sister is getting into art too, now i have someone to draw with😁
One thing I do, is ask if I can draw over their work (digital copy or trace a copy, not directly on it, of course) to provide visual feedback that might help, and I've gotten fair praise for that. It's something that some of my good artist friends did with my art, and I've learned a lot from it.
I've tried to learn art for many times throughout so many years now, But now that I have an art friend to draw with, that actually makes me want to draw more. and now i've drawn everyday for 7 months now.
The artist "community" has been the least helpful community I've ever taken part in. You basically have to be good already before getting any help which makes it awful for beginners and defeats the entire purpose. Here's some words of wisdom from Stephen R. Bissette from a comic class he did. "Share information, share contacts. You are not in competition with one another, you're all in competition with the rest of planet ******** Earth."
Yeah I feel like you have to be 70% of the way there already before anyone whos good at art will even consider helping you.
Just like how to get into art school you already have to be a professional(cal arts sketchbooks)
It's really fun jumping into discords and trying to get into the conversations and whatnot and having literally every single person there ignore you🤓🤓🤓.
Trying to use discord for art just makes me want to draw even less than I already do.
3:46 is probably the most desirable outcome I couldn't consider being a reality at some point. Glad to know it's somewhat more feasible than nonexistant.
I wish I could have had the kind of feedback that I needed, or people I could have asked for critique. I did not learn art mostly alone because I wanted to, but simply because I never seemed to be able to find people who could or would give me advice. Most of my friends drew, but I was the one giving them advice, and most people I knew online did not have time, or never replied back when asked.
It kind of sucked, honestly, and often left me feeling rather ailenated in my journey.
This is something that for me is part of a much bigger issue. I have a hard time building relationships with other artists online, so much so that I've managed to be in 3 different friend circles but eventually drift away after a few months.
For most of my life I've never really interacted or attempted to be a part of an online community, so getting on discord servers will be me getting on rvery other week, checking the server, but then saying nothing.
I kind of have been doing art by myself all this time, and i know it's an issue that's completely my fault and that I should fix, but it's difficult when it's hard making the kinds of connections that are required.
I think the best advice I got from any professor in college was from the one art class I took. For context, I've drawn my whole life and considered myself an artist so the class itself was meant to just be for fun and get an elective credit. I still put my all into my work because it was so fun and one day, my professor came up to me and asked "can I show you something?" I let him thinking "oh, he's going to start pointing out stuff" and then he started lightly erasing a section of the piece I was working on. I was immediately angry and appalled, but I kept my composure as he kept going, saying, "try using less heavy linework when you draw things that are more smooth or shiny. (we were drawing wooden objects) Instead, sketch the line lightly and try erasing it ever so slightly. You're brain will fill in the gaps. There aren't hard lines in real life, just colors, shadows, and light." At that moment, I was completely irritated and thought to myself "I know how to draw, why would you erase my work like that?" However, as the day went on, I followed his advice, at first because he was the one who was going to grade my work, but eventually, I had this moment where I just stopped and looked at my piece from afar and went "... huh. It actually works." Most humbling critique I've ever gotten and I find myself much more open minded when receiving advice or critiques on my work.
I started learning art from 2021, i learn and learn from tutorials, tips and stuff, very much.
Because my older sister and older brother is also an artist before me, sometimes when i draw they give me critiques like "why the shoulder so low", "why the head really weird", "the hand is too long", "try flipping the canvas, something looks wrong".
It really helps me :D
I met my art friends by just complimenting each other's art from time to time, which turned into critiques and small nitpicks, which turned into friendship, and now I regularly talk to one of them and we share our art as soon as we feel like there's something wrong with it. It really isn't that complicated as you can make it out to be - just surround yourself around decent folks and everything else will follow. Discord is fantastic for this.
What server?
@@DjmanG Well at first we met in a random youtuber's server, but then one of us in our little friend group decided to make their own server since the moderation in the other was horrible. It evolved and grew into it's own little thing, but it's still just mainly focused on people we all know personally. Point being, It doesn't have to be an art-related discord, you'd just be really surprised how many artists you'll find if you look for them. Also, artists introduce you to other artists! Having 1 artist friend can be a bit challenging, but having a 2nd is effortless, really.
I found more meaning, experience, and improvement when I was left to my own devices and curating my own sources for learning. Feedback and critique didn't help when I was active in large artist circles, even though I was well acquainted with many people in them. I received more harmful and negative feedback from particular people who tried to lowkey discourage me from trying new things. Real friends did give helpful feedback but at a certain point their own feedback is limited to the knowledge they themselves have when it comes to learning certain fundamentals. You could say perhaps I just had shit luck when it came to people, but after a while I got tired of looking for groups or individuals that could give meaningful feedback or problem solve what areas or exercises I needed to complete in order to improve. If you have no friends, then make resources like books, tutorials, videos, and exercises your best friends.
I thought I would make a lot of art friends in Art School. I don't get why everyone turned out to be so stuck up and bitchy. It felt so odd being a lone artist in an art environment.
Critiques sucked but NO JOKE, one time the Professor looked at a Student's work and said "It's perfect. There's nothing to critique."
I couldn't believe what I heard! Everyone was better than me, but "Nothing to critique"???
This is why I'm glad my bro showed up in time to break me out of this delusion my dumb mom about had me in by harping on my crappy artworks at the time as being "good" they were literal 4th grade levels of trash, really taught me from then on how to self-critique and watching channels like Drawing Jones and Watts Atelier (who also critique their own work) really helped develop that habit.
My friends: “It’s good!”
Me: “…”
My friends: “…But--“
Me: **possessed animal screeching**
Just putting my two cent in: i personally love when people critique my art and projects. I like the challenge of always improving and getting different points of view for the same thing. I once made a 3d miniature, painted it, and as i present it to multiple people they all say different things they feel about it. Some say it needs a lot of work and others find stories that it tells. That is all. Have a great day and stay hydrated❤
As said by Marshall Vandruff "If you want to get better at art, Teaching is one way to do that" or something like that on the draftsmen podcast.. idk.. I want to get better at identifying and solving problems for myself!
Do you have any programming tips so that I can become a programmer, so that I can find people who are good at art, so that I can get art friends, so that I can get art critiques, so that i can get better at art?
That way you can get good at art, to actually become a better programmer, and get good programming friends
I guess you could try to start with Scratch and try to make something simple with it, such as making the Cat say "Hello" when the Green Flag is clicked on.
Scratch is good since it can teach you the many different concepts that are typically used in languages such as C/C++, Python, Lua and etc.
Cloudsire makes me feel so happy and fuzzy.
Another reason having art friends is great is because improving together is a free source of motivation and inspiration :D
Taking a critique is a skill in itself, some aren't very good at them(ahem, me).
I used to not like how not good I was but compared to the mental toll I get from taking critiques, I'm feeling ok with being not good I am.
At least I can just draw.
Oh hey, it's Irasutoya lol I'm in Japan. Irasutoya is really EVERYWHERE in the business space lol Can't look at any company site or presentation without seeing it (kind of like Facebook Alegria used to be everywhere in the West). I didn't expect to see it on the western side as well, but I guess it is useful and cute.
I’m getting back into drawing comics/manga after years and am lucky to have my younger sister who’s a wayyy better artist than I am to guide me :,)