Season 2 is criminally underrated. Opened up a world unfamiliar to most and incredible characters like Frank and great arcs. Frank is so convincing: "you think it's for me!"
I was watching that thinking the same thing. The characters, the story and how it meshed with season one and tied into the rest of the series. It was a great season.
The actor that played Frank (Chris Bauer) was 36 years old during filming of season 2! He’s a great actor, but he was born with a face about twice his age.
Only a girl would comment on such meaningless things while facing the best show of history. He looks 70's to you ? Idiot. You think you look good yourself ? How old are you huh ? Grown adult and still commenting on people's physique, didn't anyone teach you that kind of behaviour doesn't even belong in the kindergaten ? Remove your make up and let's see how you loook, Frank didn't wear any to look younger. You look pretty old yourself even with makeup but you seem proud somehow to plaster your face on RUclips. Unbelievable.
This scene really encapsulated Frank. Prideful, emotional, and ready to get into anyone's face for the sake of the port and his union. But when push came to shove, he had a weak hand to play and he knew it.
"We ain't back in the day, Nicky" "There is no back in the day, nigga" They are spoken pretty similarly, and they both illustrate how each generation has it continually worse than the last.
Season 2 was surprisingly heartbreaking for me to watch. I grew up pretty much what you'd see un seasons 1, 4 5 and etc. But when i watched season 2 for a second time, i started noticing how fd up the situations were for these people. No way out, almost.
When The Wire ends it's easy to forget season 2 even happened. But Frank Sobotka was one of the show's best character. Right up there with guys like Prop Joe or Snoop.
Nothing redeeming bout Snoop but he a cold ass enforcer. Young mike capped her ass and she aint even saw it comin even tho they the one schooled him. 'Come there early'
Season 2 and 4 are the most hated, I think because to some extent they are the most relatable and depressing. Most people aren't drug dealers, addicts, gang members, police, or corrupt politicians. Season 2 focused on how the working class, low education jobs that can provide a decent living are dying out and show no signs of returning. Theses guys don't want to work at McDonald's for minimum wage. And also realistically they won't become computer programmers. So they are desperate to extend out their livelihoods another generation. But deep down they see the writing on the wall, but have no ability to stop it. They focused on a white polish family, but there are many blacks and Latinos in this position. Season 4 showed that the next generation of the inner city will be just as bad. Poor schools, lack of positive role models, lack of opportunities, etc. Most of those kids will never get out.
dafuq are you talking about. Season 4 is considered the greatest single season of any series in TV history. Season 2 is always considered underrated by almost everyone.
@Captain Cookbook I agree. The show felt like it could have ended with Season 4, but they decided to do one more and had to come up with *something* to build one last season around.
@@kacey5324 knowing people like Ziggy, He was always picked on and as a defense mechanism, he decided to try to get on the joke by being the clown. However he was still mocked and disrespected and it eventually pushed him over the edge.
I'm one of those people who has season 2 as their favorite season, yes even above season 4 though that is a close second. I actually loved the change of pace by switching from the barksdale crew to the dock workers, and Frank Sobotka gave one hell of a performance throughout.
Why didn't Nick just leave the docks and get a job somewhere else? He was a young guy and if he is only working 5-6 days a month, he has nothing to lose at this point.
windtalker speaking as the son of a longshoreman, who was the son of a longshoreman, who’s father was a longshoreman, I can tell you, it’s a family thing. There’s a scene where Franks talking about it and says something like “Out here it’s ‘Who’s your old man?’ until you have kids of your own and then it’s ‘Who’s your son?’” It’s different, I can’t describe it. I spent 5 years from 18-23 working (or trying to work) with my “J” Card til my Dad finally told me there ain’t no future in this anymore and to get out while I was young enough. And him telling me that broke his heart. I ain’t trying to be dramatic, just trying to provide some insight. The docks run in the family.
left wing self hating jew David Simon who downplays Jewish exceptionalism and equates the plight of the black Muslim as if it was the same scale as jewish discrimination.
Season 2 is sooo underrated. I get it it's not most people's favorite season (I personally think 4 is the best) but it's still a complete *masterpiece* of television
This scene is the perfect portrayal of season 2. Nick is ambitious, but doesn’t know the game. He doesn’t know why he is in that spot, therefore he doesn’t respect it. Frank knows the harbor better than anyone, knows how to keep the game going and is doing it for the right reasons. He knows which pockets to line, but he is losing his position because of greedy people (Nick and Ziggy) and corrupt politicians. He’s rightfully pissed because Nick and Zig are making back deals with the Greeks and Prop Joe, which could ruin the whole thing.
This season really grew on me. I didn't bother watching it again after the first time through. But when I bought the blu ray pack I was on repeat for this seaon. The docks was an interesting chapter in the wire.
I just noticed on my fourth time watching this all the money Frank made he never kept for himself. No new car, behind on his phone bill, no nice clothes
Damn I miss that show. On that occasion, which of David Simon's other work is the most worth watching? So far I have only seen Generation Kill, but nothing else.
@@skuzad25 The Greeks were going to kill Nick lol his character served his purpose,he only came back for one scene in season 5 and that was to show how the developer's destroyed the labor workers union
Its strange. Cuz a few generations before, their ancestors moved to America and had to strive to be something they weren't used to. They made something of themselves. Few generations later, their descendants have no flex or will to move/or change themselves to accommodate the situation.
I wonder if Ben Affleck copied his whole character for Good Will Hunting from this scene right here. Or the other way around maybe? I dunno, timeline got fucked up.
@pstob223 maybe for some. I personally like it because it exposes the entire spectrum of the drug trade. The part that doesn't make the criminals all black, the part that shows ziggy stealing a whole load of cars and no one batting an eye about it. I just wish they incorporated more of season 1 characters into season 2 and season 2 characters into the rest of the seasons. I liked how they used the tech to hide the theft and how the cops used that same tech to catch them
Jesus, look how thin those pillars were. Of course the whole thing collapsed once 100,000 tonnes of cargo ship ploughed into it. When you look at it, it’s amazing the bridge stood for as long as it did with all those massive boats passing under it day and night.
Season 2 (1) The French Connection - Many comparison between the show, and The French Connection. Vondas and The Greek were to Baltimore what Charnie was to The French Connection. (2) Changes in the economy, the loss of jobs and it's impact on the middle, and working class as seen through the eyes of the Stevedores. Frank Sobotka cared deeply about what was going on but resorted to very desperate measure.
Are there no supermarkets in Baltimore that hire stock guys? No fast food restaurants? Hell, Cutty got on the back of a truck and mowed lawns, for a time. You can make money without being a thief. Definitely not as much but enough to live in.
He's not, in fact Frank is doing everything he can to make the docks competitive again. By the way, he was right. In Season 5 the whole Union is busted and the docks are basically dead, since surrounding newly built condos will make any sort of expansion impossible.
Everyone hates on season 2... granted Ziggy character is pretty poorly acted...but the writing and story are top notch. Think people were just mad there's was less of the street drug shit. Coming from a Irish Catholic fanily of union carpetenrs and electricians there was so much in this season that felt real and true to life for me
The capacity is already there. If every other place is maxed out and can't expand quickly and cheaply you''ll use this port. Also specializing in cars vs. containers or bulk more than makes up the difference. You need surge crews that can drive those cars fast but safely.
These episodes with Frank and his Union rank and file, Nick, the Greeks , Prop Joe are a template that could go on in any Trading Port, in the USA and abroad. That is how corruption travels through these places , and eventually undermine its viability as a Shipping Port. Look at the unraveling demise for New York and Boston Shipping Ports And there are so many others to surface. There is a presentation about Rotterdam’s automation and how efficient the port is in the movie Frank is invited to sit in. Assuming it is all true , given it is the European Union , and Rotterdam is as good as advertised , then there you have all the reasons on why a place like Baltimore’s fate might cost its shipping port.
This scene really captures how miserable life is down at Sparrows Point, Hunts Point, or whatever point they filmed at in the Essex or Dundalk area of Baltimore. Being a Maryland native believe me i know.
It’s not miserable, easy access to water and the city, yeah some parts stink; but there is also enclaves with great bars/restaurants and hidden air strips for private planes.
Pour one out for the Francis Scott Key bridge.
R.I.P. to America also, apparently. 😔
Report came out that 17,000 (!!!) bridges in the United States are vulnerable to one hit from a cargo ship.
That was the first thing that came to mind. The dialog was secondary.
"It's fuckin picturesque is what it is..."
RIP 😢
And now that bridge has collapsed.
Coming back to this after the collapse of the francis scott smh rip
Same!
I'm gonna miss the Frank Sobotka Key Bridge
😭😭😭
Such an underappreciated scene.
Make that a whole underappreciated season of "The Wire". Almost nobody gives the second season the love it deserves.
This show is underappreciated. But in my opinion it's one of the best shows ever created
Season 2 is criminally underrated. Opened up a world unfamiliar to most and incredible characters like Frank and great arcs. Frank is so convincing: "you think it's for me!"
SavoPaddy should have made a show based on ports
:) One season, I think the Wire covered it just fine
Your right I dont even remember this seadon but I do remember it was good.
I was watching that thinking the same thing. The characters, the story and how it meshed with season one and tied into the rest of the series. It was a great season.
first time watching it i hated it, cuz i just got into the whole "police vs thugs" game
by now its my favorite season of the wire
The actor that played Frank (Chris Bauer) was 36 years old during filming of season 2! He’s a great actor, but he was born with a face about twice his age.
That's wild. The definition of scruffy voice. Definitely one of my favourite seasons.
I love this actor! For the record, he plays a great role in one of Simon's other shows, The Deuce. Give it a watch.
And you look like you were born with the face of an angel
No fucking way
Only a girl would comment on such meaningless things while facing the best show of history. He looks 70's to you ? Idiot. You think you look good yourself ? How old are you huh ? Grown adult and still commenting on people's physique, didn't anyone teach you that kind of behaviour doesn't even belong in the kindergaten ?
Remove your make up and let's see how you loook, Frank didn't wear any to look younger. You look pretty old yourself even with makeup but you seem proud somehow to plaster your face on RUclips.
Unbelievable.
THIS INVESTIGATION IS ABOUT FRANK SUBOTKA
Well, not. Fuckin'. Likely.
I'm not seeing his name anywhere
This scene really encapsulated Frank. Prideful, emotional, and ready to get into anyone's face for the sake of the port and his union. But when push came to shove, he had a weak hand to play and he knew it.
He went down swinging, better than most.
"We ain't back in the day, Nicky"
"There is no back in the day, nigga"
They are spoken pretty similarly, and they both illustrate how each generation has it continually worse than the last.
PointlessEndeavour "my name is not my name"
vitor3000 "My name IS my NAME!"🤔 Insightful.
The thing about the old days is, they the old days.
@@tedof87 "I'll take any motherfuckers money if they giving it away" (Clay Davis & Naymond)
Since boomers anyway. They had it better than any generation in history.
The older I get, the more I wish I had a boss like Frank. Seeing that bridge fall today had me mourning for people like Frank.
bodie will always be my fav character but jesus everytime i watch this series frank gets further and further up the list, his such a great character
Bodie was my absolute fav character as well, no question.
RIP to that bridge
frank sobotka was a pretty underrated character. his actor really put a lot into his speeches. when he speaks you fuckin listen
chris bauer is also a great character actor.
The Wire is just stuffed full of great acting performances and his is certainly one of them.
Standing out for your acting in a series like The wire is truly an archievement
Season 2 was surprisingly heartbreaking for me to watch. I grew up pretty much what you'd see un seasons 1, 4 5 and etc. But when i watched season 2 for a second time, i started noticing how fd up the situations were for these people. No way out, almost.
Frank treated Nick more like a son then he did his own son ziggy🤦🤦😭
wouldnt you?
Frank knew Ziggy was a fuck up and weak......he was ashamed of him
That's because of Ziggy's ego issues!!
When The Wire ends it's easy to forget season 2 even happened.
But Frank Sobotka was one of the show's best character. Right up there with guys like Prop Joe or Snoop.
LOL. What a fucking idiot, Season 2 is a legendary masterpiece.
Nothing redeeming bout Snoop but he a cold ass enforcer. Young mike capped her ass and she aint even saw it comin even tho they the one schooled him. 'Come there early'
Season two is my favourite season of The Wire. It's amazing.
I liked Frank Sobotka
Season 2 is easy to forget if you stopped watching at season 2, if you watch the whole thing just makes you appreciate it more.
"It aint about me" that quote summed up the whole character, A selfless man trying to provided for his family, poor guy.
Season 2 and 4 are the most hated, I think because to some extent they are the most relatable and depressing. Most people aren't drug dealers, addicts, gang members, police, or corrupt politicians. Season 2 focused on how the working class, low education jobs that can provide a decent living are dying out and show no signs of returning. Theses guys don't want to work at McDonald's for minimum wage. And also realistically they won't become computer programmers. So they are desperate to extend out their livelihoods another generation. But deep down they see the writing on the wall, but have no ability to stop it. They focused on a white polish family, but there are many blacks and Latinos in this position.
Season 4 showed that the next generation of the inner city will be just as bad. Poor schools, lack of positive role models, lack of opportunities, etc. Most of those kids will never get out.
Season 4 is considered by many (myself included although on some days I'd say 3) to be the best season of the wire
dafuq are you talking about. Season 4 is considered the greatest single season of any series in TV history. Season 2 is always considered underrated by almost everyone.
4???? where the fuck did you get that from? its by far the most critically acclaimed lol
Season 4 was my favorite after first watching the series, but I also liked Season 2 a lot so I may be in the minority.
@Captain Cookbook I agree. The show felt like it could have ended with Season 4, but they decided to do one more and had to come up with *something* to build one last season around.
man you kinda feel for ziggy. small, not really good at anything, picked on. then just snaps.
The dangers of not lifting are too real.
Ziggy was an idiot,he put himself in positions to be picked on
@@kacey5324 knowing people like Ziggy, He was always picked on and as a defense mechanism, he decided to try to get on the joke by being the clown. However he was still mocked and disrespected and it eventually pushed him over the edge.
@@scott4398 lifting doesn't help everybody, some people are just small framed
@@JetMC254 Decent back and arm development + low bodyfat looks great on anyone.
It's over for the little guy 😭
AIDS?!
Nobody's got AIDS, and I don't want to hear that word in here again!
I drove that bridge everyday coming back to work…🤦🏾♂️
Anybody notice that Frank, Nick and Ziggy are the bank robbers in the new Prius commercials?
Just noticed that!
From blue collar workers to a car theft ring; oh, the places you'll go.
Nick is a big time actor now.
And Frank was amazing on The Deuce.
That bridge gone now
I'm one of those people who has season 2 as their favorite season, yes even above season 4 though that is a close second. I actually loved the change of pace by switching from the barksdale crew to the dock workers, and Frank Sobotka gave one hell of a performance throughout.
Why didn't Nick just leave the docks and get a job somewhere else? He was a young guy and if he is only working 5-6 days a month, he has nothing to lose at this point.
windtalker Exactly, i always thought the same. I guess it’s kinda like how the corner boys only know life on the corner and can’t break out of it.
windtalker speaking as the son of a longshoreman, who was the son of a longshoreman, who’s father was a longshoreman, I can tell you, it’s a family thing. There’s a scene where Franks talking about it and says something like “Out here it’s ‘Who’s your old man?’ until you have kids of your own and then it’s ‘Who’s your son?’” It’s different, I can’t describe it. I spent 5 years from 18-23 working (or trying to work) with my “J” Card til my Dad finally told me there ain’t no future in this anymore and to get out while I was young enough. And him telling me that broke his heart. I ain’t trying to be dramatic, just trying to provide some insight. The docks run in the family.
Theres also skill level..wtf do you do and who hires you if youve worked this job your whole life and have no other skills or education.
When you are a docker and get paid hundreds for any day of work, occasionally stealing stuff or smuggling drugs, you don’t want to try a honest job...
left wing self hating jew David Simon who downplays Jewish exceptionalism and equates the plight of the black Muslim as if it was the same scale as jewish discrimination.
Season 2 is sooo underrated. I get it it's not most people's favorite season (I personally think 4 is the best) but it's still a complete *masterpiece* of television
its my favorite season
A look at the real underworld
This scene is the perfect portrayal of season 2. Nick is ambitious, but doesn’t know the game. He doesn’t know why he is in that spot, therefore he doesn’t respect it. Frank knows the harbor better than anyone, knows how to keep the game going and is doing it for the right reasons. He knows which pockets to line, but he is losing his position because of greedy people (Nick and Ziggy) and corrupt politicians. He’s rightfully pissed because Nick and Zig are making back deals with the Greeks and Prop Joe, which could ruin the whole thing.
And they not only ruined the whole thing, their actions directly led to Frank’s murder.
This season really grew on me. I didn't bother watching it again after the first time through. But when I bought the blu ray pack I was on repeat for this seaon. The docks was an interesting chapter in the wire.
The other seasons were good, but i wasnt seeing anything about Sebotka
And Nick potrays mad sweeney in american gods. What an actor
Holy shit is that him???? Never noticed b4, good eye.
Frank was realists gangster on this show. He didn't deserve to die like that. Frank sobotka port boss.
I knew once that Greek music started playing, he was gonna die smh
He was more than a hero. He was a union man.
This scene can’t be done again as of today. Bridge is gone
frank sobotka was perhaps the most selfless character conceived in the history of Television.
+gurpreet nayyar how was he selfish when he took care of all his union workers>
selfless I said, not selfish
Why do you guys keep talking about shell fish? And these guys didn't farm onions, they worked on shipping docks.
because we be hungry
Union man! All about the union!
I just noticed on my fourth time watching this all the money Frank made he never kept for himself. No new car, behind on his phone bill, no nice clothes
The older I get the more appreciation I have for season 2
2:26 One of my favourite acting moments of the show.
Definitely. The visceral reacton from both Frank and Nicky is amazing.
Franks actor was actually 21 while filming this. But He got so into the character's stress, he lost his hair.
Damn I miss that show.
On that occasion, which of David Simon's other work is the most worth watching? So far I have only seen Generation Kill, but nothing else.
I like Nick he was a gangsta of sort. I wish he had a bigger role in the later seasons.
He was in season 4 or 5. Would’ve been neat to see him interact with The Greeks a few more times.
@@skuzad25 The Greeks were going to kill Nick lol his character served his purpose,he only came back for one scene in season 5 and that was to show how the developer's destroyed the labor workers union
I came here to see the bridge. 2024. Baltimore will be fine.
It's fuckin picturesque is what it is
This is a beautiful scene.
Lol Frog was actually a pretty decent dealer and had multiple people working for him
RIP bridge.
He's such a good actor
Thumbs up to 2:38! I always like frank and the crew
“Now we just put our hands in the next guy’s pocket”
Season 2 is fantastic!
It's ironic that Frank Sobotka, the character that got f**ked the most by the american dream had polish ancestors.
It's not like any character who denied to take part in the dirty game got fucked by the american dream or so called system
All Americans have ancestors from different countries you moron. Nobody is from America
Its strange. Cuz a few generations before, their ancestors moved to America and had to strive to be something they weren't used to. They made something of themselves.
Few generations later, their descendants have no flex or will to move/or change themselves to accommodate the situation.
I wonder if Ben Affleck copied his whole character for Good Will
Hunting from this scene right here. Or the other way around maybe? I dunno, timeline got fucked up.
Frank had the weight of the world on his shoulders.
The thing about the old days is they the old days #slimcharles
I love Season 2 so much!
By far the best season
Season 2 is when I started watching the wire. I loved the episodes with the ports.
Ewwww
@pstob223 I'm in total agreement. That season is the least favorite of most people and its not a shock why.
@pstob223 maybe for some. I personally like it because it exposes the entire spectrum of the drug trade. The part that doesn't make the criminals all black, the part that shows ziggy stealing a whole load of cars and no one batting an eye about it. I just wish they incorporated more of season 1 characters into season 2 and season 2 characters into the rest of the seasons. I liked how they used the tech to hide the theft and how the cops used that same tech to catch them
I’m not hearing his name here, Frank Sabatka, he is the target!!
People that hate on season 2 are fools. This season is probably the most relatable, especially given the current state of the world.
Jesus, look how thin those pillars were. Of course the whole thing collapsed once 100,000 tonnes of cargo ship ploughed into it. When you look at it, it’s amazing the bridge stood for as long as it did with all those massive boats passing under it day and night.
Frank: this isnt back in the day nicky, Cheese: there is no back in the day nigga. #parallels
Slim Charles: The thing about the old days is, they the old days.
Aged like fine wine 😅
Season 2
(1) The French Connection - Many comparison between the show, and The French Connection.
Vondas and The Greek were to Baltimore what Charnie was to The French Connection.
(2) Changes in the economy, the loss of jobs and it's impact on the middle, and working class as seen through the eyes of the Stevedores. Frank Sobotka cared deeply about what was going on but resorted to very desperate measure.
Sheesh. The guy who played Frank Sobotka was only 36yrs old here.
Dude looked 45yrs old lol
Rest in Peace to the bridge and those that went down with it... ;__; Thank you to the rescue workers for sparing 2 lives.
Are there no supermarkets in Baltimore that hire stock guys? No fast food restaurants? Hell, Cutty got on the back of a truck and mowed lawns, for a time. You can make money without being a thief. Definitely not as much but enough to live in.
Cutty was more of a man than Nick or Ziggy. He saw where he came from and decided to make a change.
Cutty did time. That tends to open your eyes. Sometimes it doesn't, but most of the time it does.
The Greek was the dirtiest most successful boss in the whole series
I feel really bad for Frank. He’s holding on too tight to the past.
He's not, in fact Frank is doing everything he can to make the docks competitive again. By the way, he was right. In Season 5 the whole Union is busted and the docks are basically dead, since surrounding newly built condos will make any sort of expansion impossible.
Frank can dream all he wants, but the moment he had an organized syndicate involved, he just set the whole dock open for illegal shit.
MY FAVORITE SEASON OF THE WIRE.
thing about the old days is. they the old days.
I hate to be that guy in The Wire comments but :
"We ain't back in the day, Nicky"
"There aint no back in the day, nigga" - Cheese
Everyone hates on season 2... granted Ziggy character is pretty poorly acted...but the writing and story are top notch. Think people were just mad there's was less of the street drug shit. Coming from a Irish Catholic fanily of union carpetenrs and electricians there was so much in this season that felt real and true to life for me
so thats why im broke
Not as broke as that bridge
"you think it's for me?!" I've said this a time or 2
I loved season 2. I wish Nico was in the other seasons
he was in season 5 during the grand opening of the redevelopment of the gran pier presented by Carcetti
This didn't age well
Can’t believe it
Key Bridge before it was taken down there
Francis Sobotka was a good guy. But the game was better.
I'm convinced the guy playing Nick was actually afraid.
What's done is done, let's just go to work
cool sitting at ft armstead. .
Sad😔
I do wonder, economically, whats the appeal for porting in baltimore. Its flanked by ports that dont require a detour up the further up the bay
The capacity is already there. If every other place is maxed out and can't expand quickly and cheaply you''ll use this port. Also specializing in cars vs. containers or bulk more than makes up the difference. You need surge crews that can drive those cars fast but safely.
Im older than the actor who plays frank here.
masterchief and bridge
:(
These episodes with Frank and his Union rank and file, Nick, the Greeks , Prop Joe are a template that could go on in any Trading Port, in the USA and abroad. That is how corruption travels through these places , and eventually undermine its viability as a Shipping Port.
Look at the unraveling demise for New York and Boston Shipping Ports And there are so many others to surface.
There is a presentation about Rotterdam’s automation and how efficient the port is in the movie Frank is invited to sit in. Assuming it is all true , given it is the European Union , and Rotterdam is as good as advertised , then there you have all the reasons on why a place like Baltimore’s fate might cost its shipping port.
"long and hard" heh heh
Why doesn’t Nikki just get a second job? I mean instead of theft, work? Ppl love to excuse theft
Man watching this after the bridge fell is something different… the writing in this show feels like they predicted this haha
I instantly thought of the wire when I heard the news that this bridge collapsed. Sad…
great acting
Frank complains about imports destroying jobs yet lives off imports.
Isn’t this where tony soprano and johnny sac met too?
This scene really captures how miserable life is down at Sparrows Point, Hunts Point, or whatever point they filmed at in the Essex or Dundalk area of Baltimore. Being a Maryland native believe me i know.
It’s not miserable, easy access to water and the city, yeah some parts stink; but there is also enclaves with great bars/restaurants and hidden air strips for private planes.
Just watched this after the Key bridge fell.
might be my favorite scene of all time
"...long and hard!" If you know what I mean 😉 *Wink Wink* 😂😂
Season 2 was writer Ed Burns's baby
Same words 🧀 said this not back in day
Frank Sobotka to Nick (season 2): "We ain't back in the day".
Fruit to Cutty (season 3) : ...
Cheese: "There ain't no nostalgia to this shit"