Fans of the Lord of the Rings and Tolkien are Far Right! Politics (Once Again) rears its ugly head.
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The Narya/Aryan thing is absolutely laughable.
Nenya is the ring of water.... Hitler drank water...See? It is deeper than you think!
@@bluebird3281 hahahaha
@@bluebird3281 - Ban dihydrogen monoxide!
@@fleetcenturion It's found in many cleaning products! If inhaled, you die!
@@bluebird3281Unlike Rachel Maddow. I’ve got another word association for her. It’s Sauron, rhymes with moron. 😉 She’ll think so anyway
All these years, I thought was "worshipping Satan" by playing AD&D.
But, I guess I've actually been "Far Right" this whole time, ever since I first saw that Hobbit cartoon by Rankin Bass.
Thanks, MSNBC!
Haha! Too Funny
Back in school I had a very religious woman tell me I shouldn't play D&D because it was devil worshiping. She was quite serious. I asked if she'd ever played, seen anyone play, or knew anything about the game. Nope. Her minister told her it was evil, and she believed every word. She even directed me to a book about the evils of D&D. It was only a few pages long. I read it in the bookstore because there was no way I was going to pay the author by purchasing that mess. And, it was indeed a mess of a "book".
Uh, no. LOTR is for, and loved by, everyone. How sad. MSNBC's is a huge Trump donor. Ratings. It's all for ratings. I dumped big corporate media outlets at the beginning of the election when their news was so biased. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they try to sht on one of the most beloved series of books ever because someone names their companies with elven words. I've had a dog and several cats with elven word names. Does that automatically make me far right? Scary thought, but no. No, it doesn't. Rachel, you're an idiot.
Can we stop the planet? I want to get off Earth and move to a new planet.
Get your ears cropped and sail West, good luck!
Yes, let us all depart for the planet named for a god of war. Clearly that has always been humankind's destiny and we need to stop pretending it was anything else.
@@ian8477 Who said I am going to Mars?
No, Lord of the Rings is not far right
Sure, but the media and the establishment (the derp state, not a typo) are far left (anti-human). That's the take-away.
oh no...the right gets to claim it. lol
This is wild..shes making connections that aren't there. She is no different then any other conspiracy theorist.
@@Notdoingmuch get your tin foil hats out guys!
The very Ring that shielded the Fellowship.
These people are evil.
There is ignorance and being stupid which is forgivable, this, this is just plain evil and manipulative.
Sometimes Rachel needs to display her complete ignorance of the fantasy genre, in order to remind the rest of us that she was one of the cool kids in high school. 😆
_"Eeew! Like, get away from me, you nerds! You're all racist anyways."_
Venn diagrams intersect, not proof of anything.
@@calvanoni5443 too true
Lol, now we just need to get someone to get her to link it to "The Rings of Power" and tell them to fight the agenda forced in it to stop the far right.😂 That would really mess with their heads.
OMG. Rachel Maddow thinks her audience is stupid.
I mean, they kinda are.
She's right. 😀
@@fleetcenturion Yep, it is true because _I_ am not her audience. I have standards and normal colored hair. 😁
She's absolutely right in that assessment.
@@fleetcenturion😂😂😂😂😂
Its funny because when Rings of Power came out Stephen Colbert was talking about being a massive Tolkien fan, and he's a democrat. Senseless commentary from Maddow.
"Apparently that word has something to do with elves...and rings...and, has something to do with the Lord of the Rings series. I don't know." Clearly, investigative journalism at its finest.
Social and mass media are for entertainment purposes only. The sad part, for me, is that I've come to find myself living in a world where people take it seriously, and treat it as a source of legitimate decision-making information.
The thing which mystifies me the most I think is that things like science which IMO give us our most accurate understanding of anything are not valued. Nothing's objective, it's "true for me."
The next thing people say tends to be arguing about which music is best...
@@jimb9063 I'm a realist as far as philosophy of science, and structural realist; but, the "no miracles" argument is good enough, as far as I'm concerned, to suggest that science does inform us about an objective reality, at least in terms of that reality is structured.
It has gotten pretty weird in academia these days. When they said "interdisciplinary" in the old days, it meant someone had trained in both disciplines. Now, it seems to mean that someone in a "______ Studies" department is writing about some discipline in which they have no training at all...apparently, they just "identify" with the subject matter, and away they go.... The wild part is that the departments that actually focus on legitimate knowledge production, and more importantly colleges of graduate studies are just going along with it all nowadays.
@@Archaeo_Matt Well said. Some objectivity in the way reality is structured at least.
The lack of multiple daily accidents at busy UK roundabouts should tell us we're sharing something at least.
My eldest daughter graduated a couple of years ago. She studied nutrition and diatetics. Lots of biochemistry. Felt a little bit like Richard Feynman's Dad, she couldn't explain things to an idiot like me either!
From what she said and the work that I happened to see, they seemed primed to look out for "alternative truths" rather than to embrace them.
Maybe a branch of the sciences which is more used to trends and fads than others? I don't know.
I studied War Studies, it's far easier saying what you like and get away with it in humanities!
Looking back, it was reasonably interdisciplinary. The History folk sat in on our lectures once or twice a week, we sat in on Economics and Philosophy lectures, where we apparently represented the Military Industrial Complex, and were only there for Nietzsche respectively!
My former hall of residence seems to be an art gallery now, and the college may need to merge with one of the other London colleges. It's still called the Department of War Studies though, and is not the Ministry of Peace as yet!
@@jimb9063 There's definitely some leanings toward instrumentalism and constructivism in my home discipline of anthropology; but, I went the archaeology route, which I guess one could say is more "grounded" (pun intended). Good egg, that Nietzsche, there are quite a few gems among the aphorisms to give moral support in these trying times. Cheers!
Don't forget that alt-right TV hosts like Stephen Colbert like Tolkien. I mean, he can name the Valar and knows what a balrog is, so he must be a right winger! ;o)
I'm led to believe that there was criticism of this book in the sixties, because it was for hippies and left wing losers.
Well now I want to paint minis and eat hot pockets.
When WotC dropped the whole OGL crap, 99.9% of all gamers (from all sides) came together and said, "Oh hell no". Until that happens again, they will just be able say the same B.S. as what she said.
I would still love Batman even if Peter Tiel did. That doesn’t mean I like Peter
People stupidity is beyond measure...
I literally just watched a lord of the rings video and ate a hot pocket.
Am I a fascist? Lol
Can a Feudal system of government be considered left or right wing in todays terms?
Sounds contrived, all she had to do was google it to know what that was about!
Sounds like someone pointed out it could be rearranged word wise and she thought that would make her appear witty!
Gandalf the Grey became Gandalf...THE WHAT!??!
Oh for heaven's sake, this is so frigging ridiculous 🙄 🫤
Tolken was a nature loving history nerd in his time. How does that fit with being far- right? Tolkien never got into the policies of societies in middle earth. The Shire was depicted as the Idealic Society. A mayor was the highest position of authority and most people were left to their own affairs. There was an upper and a lower class amongst Hobbits but there was never a large class divide depicted. Tolkien was anti-industry as shown in the scouring of the shire. If I had to use political terms I'd say Tolkien was some type of peleo-Anarchist. Which is not right wing. I don't know how true that is. And if I'm incorrect, I don't mean any disrespect to the Author that has marveled countless people over the years.
Seeing an ol' man yet again disappointed by political play.
Such marginalization (ie. "Mid.-Earth fans aren't us, even if you try to say otherwise") is a sad thing to behold - but unbeknown to them, I'd rather not speak or play with a person which takes such matter seriously and now they're making it's easier to avoid such people. What an irony of forging double-edged sword ;3
Yet I'd love to talk with them - if some would be responsive, I bet it'll be an entertainment! Especially if they'll have more of such Aryan rings in their pockets xD
Lighten you mood up, Pickled! You have a comfy community and a quite good deal of pleasant memories and experiences, not forgetting about those which have to be made or uphold ( by you or the others), which makes meandering around bad news a time wasted! It's better to shout out something more pleasant for us and you from time to time - and if there's no good news, why not making a real and good news yourself or (even better) with others!
Anyway...
Have a good one! Stay safe and in good health!
To be fair there is an overlap in the ideological Venn diagram between those with an interest in Anglo-Saxon & old Norse language / culture and a minority with extreme right wing beliefs.
As Tolkien is associated with Anglo-Saxon & Old Norse linguistics and mythology a liking for his works could well be a common interest in that minority, but to claim that it's a strong correlation is just plain delusional, it's a small minority who just happen to like something that a famous author made his specialty.
Dude! There is an overlap in the ideological Venn diagram between those with an interest in Christianity and a minority with extreme right wing beliefs. The Venn diagram between those who drive Ford pick-ups or drink bourbon also will overlap with Neo-fascists. It will also overlap with .... do y'all get my point?? Maddow is guilty here of lazy, dumb and inaccurate journalism. I say this as someone who is very 'left of centre'. I'm sick of the BS on both sides and this takes the cake.
Don't worry talking heads don't have to try and harm Lord of the Rings, Amazon is doing an amazing job of that on their own.
Well i lost any respect for her i had and so i gues that Steven colbert is far right?
My love of LOTR is completely unrelated to my love of fascism.
Tolkien's letter replying to German questions on his ethnicity should put all that to rest. He referred to Adolf as "ruddy little ignoramus" too...which, considering his linguistic skills, shows remarkable restraint.
You nailed it!
Me being far right is news to me.... That's strange. I coulda fooled me on that one for sure. Glad i know better now!
Very confusing times we live!
JRRT is a beacon of light for the society! (sorry about my bad english)
Too True! And your English is just fine!
@@thepickleddragon8590 Thx!
Would your channel now be considered “far right” for bringing this up?
I’ve gotten the idea that asking questions about this type of thing is in the TTRPG community is upsetting to many folks… have you gotten backlash for talking about this?
@@FamilyTableTop i like to think we are a channel of common sense. I've had some angry folks but I don't really care. For every 100 people who laugh at this shit I get 1 who is a communist fighting the oppressors.
awesome zilla shirt :)
@@swordsnstones thanks!
Everyone knows having good taste in books is EXTREMELY anti left wing.
You had me till you said eating hot pockets!😂
That is rolling a nat 1 on food.
Also I can only hear Jim Gaffigan in my head😂
@@wingusryu8289 haha...hot pockets...maybe I should have said doritos and mountain dew!
and as we know, everything normal is now far-right.
He truely care about nature. Want to respect other views so he is Far Right,
She is insane, dont pay attention to her.
msnbc called me far right, oh noooooo ok anyway.
Lol this is just bad comedy, these people will dredge up anything to politicize it.
What flavor Hotpocket? haha
@@Deathblooms66 Philly Steak and Cheese! Lol
@@thepickleddragon8590 HA!
Make Middle Earth great again! 😁
No not Far Right just right!
Yeah you are stretching here. She said some far right people like to name things after stuff from LOTR which is true. As LOTR has immense cross appeal. Not that LOTR fans are far right.
Many far right people love Tolkien, like Giorgia Meloni, Peter Thiel and Varg Vikernes. The error lies in thinking that there is anything wrong with that.
Only with using the text as a justification. Only we the men of the west are facing off against the hordes… etc.
Of course, and orcs are clearly oriental with scimitars, gongs and dark skin.
They can make a point if they want, Tolkien thought of it in a different way.
@@BanjoSick unfortunately many many incels do think this way. The far right has latched on to the content, which is why you will hear that Aragorn line in just about every rightwing radio cast, usually with the score to Gladiator in the background.
Any one have the link to when she said this
I Just did a search for her and LotR and found the MSBNC segment
@@thepickleddragon8590 thanks
Technicaly she never said the book were alt right, she just said people on the alt right have used names from the books.
@@TheOGGMsAdventures i spoke to that in the video and how in today's age many people will connect the two because she used the comparison.
@@thepickleddragon8590 yes I know, thank you for letting me use your link
She said some far right people like LotR, not that all LotR fans are far right. Please understand the point being made before drawing conclusions. It's basic Venn diagram stuff. All people drink water, all murderers drink water, therefore all people are murderers?
Orcs.
It’s just a movie.
Go get some exercise.😊
As a leftist fan… it is somewhat true lots of far right folks use imagery and the story to prop up talking points.
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I'm a socialist and lotr is one of my favorite things ever. Don't surrender this fandom to bigots
While the Narya/Aryan connection was a stupid (if "I don't know"", then don't say anything, Rachel), she was not wrong in general, because she didn't say what you think she said. Extreme right-wingers _have_ been attracted to Tolkien over the decades. One need look no farther than the Norwegian black-metal Odinist and convicted murder, the self-named Varg Vikernes, who performed as 'Burzum'. To say that there are a lot of racists and neonazis who embrace Tolkien's work is factual. She did not say that 'Fans of Lord of the Rings and Tolkien are Far Right'. As a fan of JRRT's work, I did not suppose she was talking about me. But you may feel differently. If the jackboot fits, I always say.
The author's time his ideology would have been far left but would be considered right leaning conservative. The majority of fans are however most definitely Prejudice prejudice racist bigoted pieces of shit. At least that has been my experience Is in online forums and at tolkien trivia at the bar And conventions. It really sucks Because I am a huge fan and I feel like i'm not able to discuss anything outside of the original peter jackson trilogy Without causing a stir. I can't say I like the hobbit movies, I can't say I like That I like rings of power, I can't say that my favorite book isn't lord of the rings. The fans are just so toxic
If they want to give Tolkien to the Conservatives, we'll happily take it.