Thank you! I was thinking of that speech but couldn't recall the episode. This is just more proof that Picard and Wesley had some kind of personal relationship we will never hear about.
@@dmale79 Picard, Beverly Crusher and Jack Crusher(Wesly's father) were close friends before Jack's death on the Stargazer. After that Picard became Wesl's father figure and came close to becoming romantically involved with Beverly.
And yet Picard almost always blindly follows orders in name of the prime damn directive. Picard isn't the honorable man of integrity everyone thinks he is and the federation they are just space Marxists pushing their ideals on the whole galaxy.
It's something that comes with nuance and consideration, and it does have consequences regardless of intentions. Also Wesely is a Cadet, not a seasoned officer
Picard:You will follow orders Also Picard:"I was just following orders" has been used as an excuse for centuries. Starfleet respects officers who think for themselves.
TOS nomad. Let me clue you in on why we need sentient people in command. Chosing between right and wrong is easy. Problem is when it isn't so clear. How many thousands on both sides died in the Cardasdian war. What costs? How many civilians died? The peace treaty didn't punish the bad guy and reward the good guy. Why did the Cardasdian do what they did? They need resources as Cardaia prime is not a temperate planet hard to grow crops. So they conquered other worlds. Now we find that wrong. Who are we to judge Cardaian morality by human standards. Btw which human standards? What time period. That non interference directive. Convince Cardasdians that needed materials can be secured through trade or purchase, but that it is less resource intensive to obtain. Yes by sending a bunch of ships you can conquer, enslave and strip mine. But ships are incredibly resource intensive. Military needs to be fed, clothed equipped, medicine. Slave control. Simply trading or bargaining for exclusive use of a planet is easier, cheaper and saves lives. Yes colonies must move or live under Cardaian rule. So value the lives of colonists against the millions who will or have already died? Who is expendable? Now explain how a cadet has the ability, experience, wisdom to try to weave that maze? Nomad would blow up the planet. Problem solved. So would Menzie Calhoun, USS Excalibur
@black rabbi lol what? Not really, all ideologies have their definitions, they don't just randomly change, or at least only modify within their definition
@Michael Gammon Ah yes, because everything sucks and we should all just kill ourselves because there is no good in the world or right way of doing things.
Ironically, the one time that Wesley actually displayed the Starfleet values of integrity, ethics, and principles is when he resigned from Starfleet out of principle, but instead of developing his character in an interesting way to critique the Federation, they made him into some entity.
Yeah, it's out of character. He'd hear his concerns, and then address them. Picard would relish a good philosophical debate about what's the most moral thing to do, and not discard alternative perspectives. Even if, in the end, he might have to say "orders are orders" and pull rank, he wouldn't berate you for a valid alternative perspective on the matter. He'd seek to excuse someone who has a moral objection and then hand over the duties to someone else - as a transfer, and not a reprimand. Picard would always attempt persuasion, not demand obedience.
@@klaxoncow the problem is Wesley put the away team in danger by doing something that went against Picard command. As member of Star Fleet he still has to obey orders given even if the orders are not given to him directly. Was Wesley right absolutely and Picard knew it. The problem was he disobeyed in order and put people on danger. Picard wasn't about to get in to a philosophical debate with a cadet who just disobeyed his orders and put his crew in danger.
Picard (Thinking): Just give me a reason. Wes is like I quit!!! Picard (After Wes leaves) It's about bloody damned time!!! Shakes his head in triumph. All these years wasted on Wesley scenes when I could have been dated his hot, red headed, Irish mother!!!
It goes deeper than that. Wesley was a Starfleet cadet, and expected to follow orders of those senior to him. It wasn't that he stood up to Picard, it was that he disobeyed orders and made the mission worse.
Ethical and moral rights. It goes beyond that. His values as a human being are in conflict with the federation and starfleet. They can demand what they will but that puts no onus on the induvidual to stay No matter what others expect.
@@stolmich I worked at a University for 10 year. A lot of academics are arrogant a-holes, but many are listeners not arrogant. I found that some PHD researchers were outrageously rude and arrogant with it. What they don't understand is they lack social intelligence. Basing decision making from just the longest experienced is a massive mistake and weakness.
@@claymenefee6999 It's not hypocrisy, a captain has the right to command his ship as he sees fit until he is relieved of duty. He has earned that right through trust and experiance.
@@rip.tear. the right to command does not mean immunity to being hypocritical. Even if being hypocritical is the correct decision, it doesn't mean the hypocrisy doesn't exist
@@adventuressurvivalinthailand But in this clip, Picard does say "While you wear that uniform, you will obey every order you are given." Picard still wears the uniform but he disobeys at times too. Plus, in Redemption Part 2 Data disobeys Picard and Picard says to Data "Star Fleet doesn't want people who will blindly follow orders."
@@Galilee1964 But there is a difference between a complete seasoned full fledged command level officer and a cadet (student) who still has to prove himself and who has a lot to learn.
@@FilmerOfBobcats But there is still the point that Picard says "For as long as you wear this uniform you will carry out every order..." So in that sense, it doesn't matter if you are a Cadet or an Admiral. And obviously Picard doesn't hold himself to that standard, or Data (when Data commanded the ship when Tasha's Yar's Daughter was in command). Data even submitted himself for disciplinary action and Picard wrote up a Commendation, essentially. My main point is that to say "You will always follow every order" is poorly thought out, because there will always be exceptions.
Beverly: And what part did you audition for? Wes: I wanted to play Woody the heroine cowboy! Beverly: And did you get the part? Wes (Hangs his head in defeat and speaks in a deflated high pitched voice): They stuck me with the part of Little Bo Peep! Beverly (Speaks in a soothing voice as Wes cries on her shoulder): There, there we cannot win them all. At least they gave you a part in the film, right! Wes (Eyes flooded in tears as he replies like a spoiled diva): And worst of all they made me wear the blood dress! I wanted to wear the pink dress!!! How else is Woody going to notice me!!!
@@octopushands6923 Wil Wheaton got some BAD advice. He was written off of TNG because he quit the show to do the movie Toy Soldiers (not Toy Story. Not Small Soldiers). The movie was a commercial disappointment (though I like it). Since he quit in the 4th season, he missed out on HUGE syndication royalites, not to mention 3 more seasons (where the cast all got big pay raises), and the 4 Star Trek movies the TNG cast did. The movie was shooting during Star Trek production and he was not able to do both. He thought he was going to be a movie star. Instead that decision cost him millions.
There's a little detail from much earlier on in the series that stuck out in memory. Wesley was talking about going away to the academy, and was under the assumption he'd return to the Enterprise after. But Data reminded him it was extremely unlikely for someone fresh out of the academy to be assigned to a Galaxy-Class Starship. Wesley seemed shaken by that. I'd like to think that stuck in his mind. Deep down he really wanted to be on the Enterprise, not be in Starfleet. But he couldn't just stay an acting-Ensign forever. Sooner or later something had to give.
@@BitteNameneintragen In early seasons Wesley was basically the deus ex machina who would always come up with a solution to the problem that was affecting the Enterprise in one way or another. People got fed up with this and started hating on Wesley for this reason.
@@coreydailey4939 I don't see that at all. The Federation wants colonists removed from a planet in their space. They gave an order, and Starfleet is expected to carry it out. The only difference is that it's Picard, so he gets away with it.
This perfectly explains why the later situation with the DMZ and the Maquis came about. In the end, the Federation Council represented the main member worlds--the homeworlds of the species that made up the Federation, NOT the various colony worlds of Earth and the other races. And so, since it didn't matter to the delegates, they felt free to give away the homes of colonists since it didn't hurt the inner planets--and led to rebellion, which any student of history could have told them would happen. And then the Dominion entered the picture, and the colonists in the DMZ were slaughtered---and the war the Federation was willing to give other people's homes away to prevent happened ANYWAY. Picard is essentially following the orders of Neville Chamberlain here--and Wesley was right.
'You will adhere to Star Fleet rules and regulations while you wear that uniform.' Except for Picard and everyone else when the 'right thing has to be done'. Only Crusher has to obey every word of Star Fleet regulations no matter how misguided they may be at the time.
Exactly. I hated this episode because it made Picard seem a little hypocritical. I mean, how many times has Picard went against orders to fight for what he thought was right? Even ST Insurrection was based on similar ideology.
@@artemiscool67 There's a big, and I mean *BIG,* difference between the experienced _Captain_ or _officers_ of the ship making a judgment call based on the situation and an inexperienced Ensign and/or cadet disobeying orders, openly questioning authority, and ignoring regulations that he's still learning. You might think that's Picard being hypocritical, but it's part of the Captains _job_ to make those calls based on their experience and situation and bear the responsibility of the consequences of those desisions. The simple fact is; it's not Wesley's place to make those descisions, he way overstepped his bounds... even if he was arguably right in this case, as well as being the 4th dimentional aliens chosen one and smarter than everone on board combined.
@@Thescott16 Of course there's a difference. But Picard wasn't ONLY arguing on the merit of rank, he was arguing on following orders without question. That goes against his core tenet, which is why he selected Riker in the first place so someone could challenge him when they thought he was wrong. Picard is a great captain, but regardless, he is indeed being a bit hypocritical in this case. That certainly doesn't mean Wesley acted in the right (even if he believed it was just), but that doesn't absolve Picard either. It seems he applies 'does as I say, not as I do' here. In fact, the argument could even be made that Wesley may have LEARNED that type of behavior from watching Picard in action himself. Picard's style suggests that 'right' outweighs 'orders', and it came back to haunt him.
@@artemiscool67 Again, it's not about right or wrong; it's about minding your place. You're projecting a moral argument into a dressing down from a commanding officer that had nothing to do with morality. Did Picard comment on the morality of Wess's decision in any way? Did he say whether he'd do the same thing or that that he admired or disapproved of his actions? No. He point out the consequences and potential consequences of Wess's actions and said it _wasn't his place_ to make that decision. 0:39 I know it's a common tactic (especially these days) to twist the truth or the situation to make the party you're sympathetic towards seem justified and/or the victim, but twitsing the perception of the truth doesn't change the actual truth. Whether or not he made the righteous choice is irrelevant, it was not his choice to make. He spoke and acted with authority far beyond his station, and that's what Picard is dressing him down for. But then, this is also the biggest reason why people hated Wess; he's a fucking Gary Stu. He could do no wrong, he was always right and if you disagreed with him you were portrayed as being in the wrong... Or just dumber. They'd even change the core characteristics of those around him in order to make him look better. He had no character flaws aside from being a teenager... And that's not really an actual flaw. He was a poorly written character and this scene should have happened far sooner in the series.
"What you're doing is Wrong!" "Don't care. While you wear that uniform, you will obey every command that I give!" Me:...Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Nemesis, and Every other time you broke Federation orders for the right reason. -_-
Well it was already a very delicate situation which they were trying to peacefully resolve & save lives one way or the other. It's easy to judge something, solving that something may prove to be more grey than you originally thought.
@@raspherion Yep. Picard challenging orders is part of the way the character was utilized, as a sounding board of Federation principles. It's why I groan everytime someone mentions this specific episode to trash Insurrection(which was a mediocre movie overall), while ignoring every other episode where Picard challenged bad Starfleet orders. Measure of a Man being a good early example.
Now we know what the Traveler meant. He meant that Wesley would go on and appear in Big Bang Theory episodes and be a part of Geek & Sundry with his Tabletop series. I tell you, those Star Trek characters can be really cryptic with their prophecies.
Guess he had high hopes then he got fired!!! Wes, "I went to the academy but then I got high!!!" Riker, "I got high then I married Deanna!" Picard, "I go high then had your mother. Sadly this is the moment you stepped into the picture son." Shakes his head in agony. ""Nothing but a major disappointment."
Also they fucked him over earlier in the show. Basically he had this part that wasn’t a scheduling conflict but things changed as they can. The new gig was much bigger so he asked to be written out of next episode, and a producer was all “no we really need you for this one, Lot of stuff between Wesley and his mom, we can’t not have you it ruins the whole the “ so he dropped that gig and came. He had one line in one scene, and his career was impacted just for that. That’s when he knew he was leaving the show.
You might make an argument for Picard right here that's Wesley decision to quit Starfleet may have inspired him when he ran into almost the same situation with Admiral Dougherty and the Bak'u people in the film Star Trek: Insurrection. If Wesley was wise enough to walk away from Starfleet especially since he knew it was wrong for them to relocate those native Indian tribes, surely Picard would have remembered that situation when he chose to remove his uniform and go help the Bak'u who were in the same situation. Except the major difference being that the Bak'u homeworld was the sight of a fountain of youth.
That, and Picard saying Wesley has to follow orders, and “it’s not his place” to question orders... Seems to me that’s the same argument everyone who has committed war crimes has used...the reality is it is EVERYONES responsibility to question authority if they sincerely believe the orders given are unlawful or immoral. Yes, they risk everything, including death, by doing so...but a war crime is also punishable by death. There is no defense other than “I tried to make them stop, and it cost me my life (or career).” Wesley did the right thing by standing up for the people affected by Starfleet in this episode. Tbh, I was disappointed by Picards’ defense.
The totalitarianism of Star Fleet. It also shows the basic human belief we can do no wrong if it means finding or creating an enemy so we can fight them. Good acting here!
I think the main difference between Wesley and Picard disobeying orders is time and experience. The reason why the academy and the millitary in general drill cadets to take orders is because it instills discipline, allows them to carry out combat effectively, and to define a clear chain of command. If every cadet questioned every order then the millitary would fall apart.
"But I will tell you this, while you wear that uniform You will obey EVERY order you are given. And you WILL conform to Starfleet regulations and rules of conduct! Is that clear!" For some reason this scene always stands out to me in my mind. Picard really knows how to give a dress down and Patrick Stewart does a great job acting it out!
"So if you order me to gas 12 million Klingons, I must obey Sir? And if I say 'I was just following orders' It will justify that?" Get off my ship you little shit!
It rubbed me the wrong way. _big time_ wrong way. That kind of statement goes against everything Wesley's learned from Picard...everything _we've_ learned from Picard.
Contrast this with Picard's "First Duty" speech. Wesley looked like he'd rather be in a Supernova than face Picard. But now he stands defiant, resolute. Picard's words are empty, and I think he realized that, once Wesley quit.
@@davecrupel2817 I can definitely see why some people think so. I like to see it as I don't think Picard necessarily disagrees with Wesley's conclusion but more with how he went about it. Wesley is an Ensign and not a seasoned officer. He has little command experience and is still a Cadet. It's not Wesley's place to question Federation policy or orders unless the order is doing some illegal. Picard on the other hand is a seasoned Captain and officer with years of experience and alot of weight and pull at Starfleet. Picard has the ability to disobey orders if he thinks it goes against the interests of Starfleet or the Federation. At least this is my take but I can sympathize with those who think Picard looks hypocritical but I see it in more of a Chain of Command light.
kind of laughable hearing Picard preach "while you wear that uniform you will obey every order you are given" when he, Kirk, Janeway, and Sisko routinely disobeyed orders to do "what was right".
Maybe Wesley inspired him. (Nope, rather just as others have pointed out, Picard does whatever the hell he wants and gets away with it time and again.)
I honestly don’t think Wesley ever even wanted to be in Starfleet in the first place. He spent his whole life hearing people constantly tell him he was going to grow up to be just like his dad (which, if you think about it for two seconds, is kind of a messed up thing to tell a kid whose dad died when they were five) and everyone just assumed he was going to be Starfleet because of his intellect. I don’t think it even occurred to him until much later that he didn’t have to be.
Starfleet inconsistency makes me laugh more than angry for some reason But to be fair, I think Picard was just following orders in this episode. Picard knew that it was regrettable. I don't think he agreed to hurting them
I'm watching "Journey's End" and watched "Insurrection" recently, too, so I thought I'd revisit this discussion and respond to a comment that I guess is no longer in the thread. I thought someone here had mentioned that the crew had simply been defying a rogue admiral and not the Federation top brass in "Insurrection," but after having watched it again, I can confidently say that that's not true. That admiral, Admiral Dougherty, had received approval from the Federation Council to remove the Ba'ku, and it had taken two years to gain that approval, so the removal of the Ba'ku in "Insurrection" was just as thought-out by the Federation Council as the removal of the American Indians in "Journey's End" was and maybe even more so. Therefore, Picard and crew's actions in "Insurrection" were no more excusable than Wesley's in "Journey's End". "Insurrection" even included the scene in which Ru'afo of the Son'a discussed with Admiral Dougherty that it had taken 24 months to get Federation Council approval to do what they were doing, so Dougherty had obviously been telling the truth about having Federation approval, and Picard never seemed to doubt it, anyway and still chose to defy orders that he himself believed to be from the top. Further, yes, we could try to blame the crew's actions on the youth-inducing effects of the rings, which could lead to rebellious tendencies just as Data pointed out in the movie, but that would fit right in with Wesley's actions as a rebellious youth in "Journey's End," so again, Wesley was no more irresponsible than the crew was in "Insurrection."
Wesley had a vision of his father while being on that weed from Solax III and he was told to become the luckiest Drive-In voice that McDonald's had recruited in 237 years of company history instead of being a Starfleet Captain.
Picard youre not even out of the academy and already you’re a quitter???!!! FINE I will arrange for you to go to Romulus. Wesley: me join the tal shiiar? come on! Picard: well... not quite. I was thinking more along the lines of a romulan mining colony.
Beverley Crusher also resigned briefly after she was seduced by a ghost and now Wesley resigned after seeing the ghost of his dead farther. The Crusher family is messed up.
All of the adventures combined with the security if Starfleet is gone, now hes responsible for his own wellbeing, such a big move many are not courageous enough to take.
I am 48 years old and I remember every fucking trekker hated Wesley, so what about now my friends? How is ST now? And we are here all thinking alright this is Star Trek at its best.
For all his faults(and he had lots of 'em!), Crusher showed a lot of guts, particularly in this scene in which he notifies Jean-Luc of his resignation.
wesley was smart he saw STD.. wesley said Iam out BITCHES!!!!!!! TAKE THIS BADGE AND SHOVE IT!!!!! GO WESLEY!!!! WESLEY BURNS PICARD HARD!!!!!!!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!
This is similar to when a dad tells his son that as long as you live under this roof, you will follow our rules only to have the son reply that he will no longer be living under this roof.
I was really hoping in Picard season 3 that Wes would have shown up as a well rounded jack of all trades. Making his way thru the galaxy on his own , his own terms with his own team. Sorta like Guardians of the Galaxy - oh how I hoped 🙌
Despite the ass chewing that Wesley got, I can't help but feel like Picard had some measure of respect for Wesleys resignation. Wesley was certainly out of line and deserved that reprimanding lecture, but when the moment came to submit and fall in line, he instead chose to hold strong to his personal beliefs despite the consequences. He finally displayed the mark of a good Officer in this scene, showing a strong sense of integrity and moral principle, recognizing that something was very wrong with the Federations ethics and standing against it, and not only was he right, but when the moment of fate finally came, he chose to fall on his sword rather than bend his knee. His duty was to the truth, first and foremost, and he gave up his career to defend that truth. Picard lost a good Ensign, but I feel like he gained a lot of respect for Wesley for showing some spine and standing up for what he believed in, knowing full well what it would cost him. That takes guts.
"I don't know what's gotten into you lately." _You_ got into him, Picard. Your principles, morals and ethics, have been getting into Wesley for his entire tenure on the Enterprise. Both before and during his comission. And now you punish him for following those very same principles...
Having read Wil Wheatons "Still Just a Geek", Wesleys dialogue with his mother has a much deeper meaning now, and sounds like a parallel to Wils real life situation.
I find it interesting that most the comments are siding with Wesley (one of the most disliked characters of the show) over Picard. I’m not saying I disagree, I just find it interesting. Just goes to show the meaning behind this scene
A lot of people here are saying that Picard is hypocritical because he violates orders often to Do The Right Thing. Yes, but he is a very experienced officer who knows when and how much to deviate. Wesley here is a raw cadet and he barely knows how to wipe his butt. Rules and the chain of command exist for a reason. Everybody thinks they know better than the other guy and a military organization cannot allow subordinates to question every order or action. Unless the Commanding Officer is obviously wrong or impaired in judgement, the orders are to be followed regardless of your personal opinions. Often there is shit going on behind the scenes to which that the rank and file is not aware. The CO doesn't have time or an obligation to explain the larger picture. Picard and Riker know very well the risks of violating orders. They make calculated decisions based on those pros and cons. The ability to do so comes from years of experience. Years that Wesley does not have.
He said “while your wearing the uniform”. Wouldn’t it have been interesting for wesly to just leave, change clothes, come back, and say “I’m not in uniform so I don’t have to follow orders.”
in short "stop that Wesley, we have an(other) expansionist & aggressive faction to appease and allow to gain access to more and more tech/resources/sovereign-territory/strategic-positions even though we are already surrounded by many other such empires"
Wesley resigning from the academy is the saddest decision he’s ever made and stuck with it cause now that he has he can never wear his uniform again...until he did in Star Trek: Nemesis
I think Wesley Decide to return to Starfleet as non-commission officer because of Dominion war Conflict afterwards Starfleet he decided to promote him to Lieutenant
Wesley leaving the Enterprise on that day was when "STARFLEET" on the universal stock exchange soared to record plateaus, a rendezvous celebration ensued on the Enterprise and champagne was overflowing the glasses like niagra falls. lol
Eventually, everyone gets sick of their wishes being constantly undercut. If you find yourself having to tell someone to shape up or get out, often times they will want to do the thing they think is best, and if they have a true intent and backbone then they will inevitably just tell you to fuck off.
"There are times when men of good conscious cannot blindly follow orders." Picard's own words
Thank you! I was thinking of that speech but couldn't recall the episode. This is just more proof that Picard and Wesley had some kind of personal relationship we will never hear about.
@@dmale79 Picard, Beverly Crusher and Jack Crusher(Wesly's father) were close friends before Jack's death on the Stargazer. After that Picard became Wesl's father figure and came close to becoming romantically involved with Beverly.
And yet Picard almost always blindly follows orders in name of the prime damn directive. Picard isn't the honorable man of integrity everyone thinks he is and the federation they are just space Marxists pushing their ideals on the whole galaxy.
And then Picard did the same thing in Star Trek Insurrection.
It's something that comes with nuance and consideration, and it does have consequences regardless of intentions. Also Wesely is a Cadet, not a seasoned officer
Picard:You will follow orders
Also Picard:"I was just following orders" has been used as an excuse for centuries. Starfleet respects officers who think for themselves.
TOS nomad. Let me clue you in on why we need sentient people in command.
Chosing between right and wrong is easy.
Problem is when it isn't so clear.
How many thousands on both sides died in the Cardasdian war. What costs?
How many civilians died?
The peace treaty didn't punish the bad guy and reward the good guy.
Why did the Cardasdian do what they did?
They need resources as Cardaia prime is not a temperate planet hard to grow crops. So they conquered other worlds.
Now we find that wrong.
Who are we to judge Cardaian morality by human standards.
Btw which human standards? What time period.
That non interference directive.
Convince Cardasdians that needed materials can be secured through trade or purchase, but that it is less resource intensive to obtain.
Yes by sending a bunch of ships you can conquer, enslave and strip mine.
But ships are incredibly resource intensive. Military needs to be fed, clothed equipped, medicine.
Slave control. Simply trading or bargaining for exclusive use of a planet is easier, cheaper and saves lives.
Yes colonies must move or live under Cardaian rule.
So value the lives of colonists against the millions who will or have already died?
Who is expendable?
Now explain how a cadet has the ability, experience, wisdom to try to weave that maze?
Nomad would blow up the planet. Problem solved.
So would Menzie Calhoun, USS Excalibur
@black rabbi lol what? Not really, all ideologies have their definitions, they don't just randomly change, or at least only modify within their definition
@black rabbi rich coming from the yank who always has to make one of those "ItS lIbErAl" comments, on any video they see 😂
@Michael Gammon Ah yes, because everything sucks and we should all just kill ourselves because there is no good in the world or right way of doing things.
@Michael Gammon so... just like the cardassians and the romulans?
I do remember Riker saying he'd rather be court-martialed than let a few dozen people die.
yet he was ok with allowing millions of Boraalan
s die
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS I hate that episode. It undid all of the goodwill that the rest of the series had built up for these characters.
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS He said people :O
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Worf is best!!!
Ironically, the one time that Wesley actually displayed the Starfleet values of integrity, ethics, and principles is when he resigned from Starfleet out of principle, but instead of developing his character in an interesting way to critique the Federation, they made him into some entity.
Now he's an ugly middle-aged neckbeard.
Really boneheaded decisions made on their parts.
Shouting and demonizing youth is not Star Trek
It's odd that Picard asked for answers from Wesley, but when Wesley responds, all Picard does is berate him.
Yeah, it's out of character. He'd hear his concerns, and then address them.
Picard would relish a good philosophical debate about what's the most moral thing to do, and not discard alternative perspectives. Even if, in the end, he might have to say "orders are orders" and pull rank, he wouldn't berate you for a valid alternative perspective on the matter. He'd seek to excuse someone who has a moral objection and then hand over the duties to someone else - as a transfer, and not a reprimand.
Picard would always attempt persuasion, not demand obedience.
@@klaxoncow the problem is Wesley put the away team in danger by doing something that went against Picard command. As member of Star Fleet he still has to obey orders given even if the orders are not given to him directly.
Was Wesley right absolutely and Picard knew it. The problem was he disobeyed in order and put people on danger. Picard wasn't about to get in to a philosophical debate with a cadet who just disobeyed his orders and put his crew in danger.
Picard (Thinking): Just give me a reason.
Wes is like I quit!!!
Picard (After Wes leaves) It's about bloody damned time!!! Shakes his head in triumph. All these years wasted on Wesley scenes when I could have been dated his hot, red headed, Irish mother!!!
@@michaelrunk5930 nowhere are you required to obey an unjust order, except in totalitarian societies.
@@SKBottom that’s exactly right. In fact, Picard himself stated on many occasions that he does not want officers to blindly follow orders.
Love it how Wes made an adult independent decision and didn't cow down to Picatd once again.
It goes deeper than that. Wesley was a Starfleet cadet, and expected to follow orders of those senior to him. It wasn't that he stood up to Picard, it was that he disobeyed orders and made the mission worse.
Ethical and moral rights. It goes beyond that. His values as a human being are in conflict with the federation and starfleet. They can demand what they will but that puts no onus on the induvidual to stay
No matter what others expect.
@@jeffburnham6611 , those senios are the problem, they are just know-it-alls, and don't accept other opinions, than their own.
True words, during my college, I had a professor know-it-all.
@@stolmich I worked at a University for 10 year. A lot of academics are arrogant a-holes, but many are listeners not arrogant. I found that some PHD researchers were outrageously rude and arrogant with it. What they don't understand is they lack social intelligence.
Basing decision making from just the longest experienced is a massive mistake and weakness.
Picard: ignores unjust orders constantly.
Wesley crusher does it.
Picard: HOLY FUCK WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!
Because he's a captain ffs.
Picard is accountable to Starfleet, the same as his crew are accountable to him.
@@dolphin68ray still wouldn't excuse hypocrisy. Especially after all the times he defended the other crew members under him.
@@claymenefee6999 It's not hypocrisy, a captain has the right to command his ship as he sees fit until he is relieved of duty. He has earned that right through trust and experiance.
@@rip.tear. the right to command does not mean immunity to being hypocritical. Even if being hypocritical is the correct decision, it doesn't mean the hypocrisy doesn't exist
Data in First Contact: "Sir, I believe I speak for everyone here when I say, 'To Hell with our orders.'"
He is a cadet, Picard breaking orders is a whole different magnitude
@@adventuressurvivalinthailand But in this clip, Picard does say "While you wear that uniform, you will obey every order you are given." Picard still wears the uniform but he disobeys at times too. Plus, in Redemption Part 2 Data disobeys Picard and Picard says to Data "Star Fleet doesn't want people who will blindly follow orders."
@@Galilee1964 Yup, Picard's a hypocrite in many ways.
@@Galilee1964 But there is a difference between a complete seasoned full fledged command level officer and a cadet (student) who still has to prove himself and who has a lot to learn.
@@FilmerOfBobcats But there is still the point that Picard says "For as long as you wear this uniform you will carry out every order..." So in that sense, it doesn't matter if you are a Cadet or an Admiral. And obviously Picard doesn't hold himself to that standard, or Data (when Data commanded the ship when Tasha's Yar's Daughter was in command). Data even submitted himself for disciplinary action and Picard wrote up a Commendation, essentially. My main point is that to say "You will always follow every order" is poorly thought out, because there will always be exceptions.
Beverly: Why are you doing this?
Wesley: To star in "Toy Soldiers"
Beverly:.............Why?!
Understand comment
Beverly: And what part did you audition for?
Wes: I wanted to play Woody the heroine cowboy!
Beverly: And did you get the part?
Wes (Hangs his head in defeat and speaks in a deflated high pitched voice): They stuck me with the part of Little Bo Peep!
Beverly (Speaks in a soothing voice as Wes cries on her shoulder): There, there we cannot win them all. At least they gave you a part in the film, right!
Wes (Eyes flooded in tears as he replies like a spoiled diva): And worst of all they made me wear the blood dress! I wanted to wear the pink dress!!! How else is Woody going to notice me!!!
@@octopushands6923 Wil Wheaton got some BAD advice. He was written off of TNG because he quit the show to do the movie Toy Soldiers (not Toy Story. Not Small Soldiers). The movie was a commercial disappointment (though I like it). Since he quit in the 4th season, he missed out on HUGE syndication royalites, not to mention 3 more seasons (where the cast all got big pay raises), and the 4 Star Trek movies the TNG cast did. The movie was shooting during Star Trek production and he was not able to do both. He thought he was going to be a movie star. Instead that decision cost him millions.
There's a little detail from much earlier on in the series that stuck out in memory. Wesley was talking about going away to the academy, and was under the assumption he'd return to the Enterprise after. But Data reminded him it was extremely unlikely for someone fresh out of the academy to be assigned to a Galaxy-Class Starship. Wesley seemed shaken by that. I'd like to think that stuck in his mind. Deep down he really wanted to be on the Enterprise, not be in Starfleet. But he couldn't just stay an acting-Ensign forever. Sooner or later something had to give.
He does have a rather large amount of "pull" onboard however ;)
That and literally saving said ship a few times lol
And thus, Wesley becomes the first Starfleet member to turn Marquis.
No he didn't. He became a traveler
No, he became a shill for Star Trek: Peecard
desperate for moneh
This was and is the finest moment in all of Wesley Crushers' time with the Federation.
I agree, he finally left, I hated Wesley as a character.
@@cw9719 Why did you hate him? And you are not the only one. I don't understand, why Wesley has such a big "hater base".
@@BitteNameneintragen I've never understood it, either. I enjoyed Wesley as a character.
@@warmcozy I never liked how he didn't respect the chain of command and was an instant super genius
@@BitteNameneintragen In early seasons Wesley was basically the deus ex machina who would always come up with a solution to the problem that was affecting the Enterprise in one way or another. People got fed up with this and started hating on Wesley for this reason.
It's very odd to have Picard shellacking Wesley in this situation given his actions in _Insurrection._
Well... either Picard grew to sympathize with Wesley's view of things... or the movies aren't very consistent with the show.
@@coreydailey4939 I don't see that at all. The Federation wants colonists removed from a planet in their space. They gave an order, and Starfleet is expected to carry it out. The only difference is that it's Picard, so he gets away with it.
@@dunnono00
TV show Picard (let's call him "Larry") was very different from movie Picard.
Maybe he actually learned something from Wesley
This perfectly explains why the later situation with the DMZ and the Maquis came about. In the end, the Federation Council represented the main member worlds--the homeworlds of the species that made up the Federation, NOT the various colony worlds of Earth and the other races. And so, since it didn't matter to the delegates, they felt free to give away the homes of colonists since it didn't hurt the inner planets--and led to rebellion, which any student of history could have told them would happen. And then the Dominion entered the picture, and the colonists in the DMZ were slaughtered---and the war the Federation was willing to give other people's homes away to prevent happened ANYWAY. Picard is essentially following the orders of Neville Chamberlain here--and Wesley was right.
Starfleet was wrong and the Maquis were right.
Dominion then got into the vote machine service
@@safffff1000 The Cardassians lost the war and decided to rebuild their empire through reality tv and marrying crazy rappers.
they should have made nu trek with wesley leading the marquis fighting the corrupt federation
I hope this is revisited on a later show
Plot Twist: Wesley evolved into Q and came back to torment Picard for telling to shut up all those years.
Read a couple novels where he actually kind of does, though it's closer to a Traveler type entity. Not cannon, but still.
Omg can you imagine 😂😂
Imagine Q meeting The Traveler.
Q: Shut up, Mon Capitaine!
Picard:...my god...
That would explain how uncannily annoying they both were to Picard! :)
Wesley just threw an uno reverse card right at Picard in this scene
'You will adhere to Star Fleet rules and regulations while you wear that uniform.' Except for Picard and everyone else when the 'right thing has to be done'.
Only Crusher has to obey every word of Star Fleet regulations no matter how misguided they may be at the time.
Exactly. I hated this episode because it made Picard seem a little hypocritical. I mean, how many times has Picard went against orders to fight for what he thought was right? Even ST Insurrection was based on similar ideology.
@@artemiscool67 There's a big, and I mean *BIG,* difference between the experienced _Captain_ or _officers_ of the ship making a judgment call based on the situation and an inexperienced Ensign and/or cadet disobeying orders, openly questioning authority, and ignoring regulations that he's still learning. You might think that's Picard being hypocritical, but it's part of the Captains _job_ to make those calls based on their experience and situation and bear the responsibility of the consequences of those desisions.
The simple fact is; it's not Wesley's place to make those descisions, he way overstepped his bounds... even if he was arguably right in this case, as well as being the 4th dimentional aliens chosen one and smarter than everone on board combined.
@@Thescott16 Of course there's a difference. But Picard wasn't ONLY arguing on the merit of rank, he was arguing on following orders without question. That goes against his core tenet, which is why he selected Riker in the first place so someone could challenge him when they thought he was wrong.
Picard is a great captain, but regardless, he is indeed being a bit hypocritical in this case. That certainly doesn't mean Wesley acted in the right (even if he believed it was just), but that doesn't absolve Picard either. It seems he applies 'does as I say, not as I do' here.
In fact, the argument could even be made that Wesley may have LEARNED that type of behavior from watching Picard in action himself. Picard's style suggests that 'right' outweighs 'orders', and it came back to haunt him.
Arty Coole and First Contact. He violated a direct order to save humanity
@@artemiscool67 Again, it's not about right or wrong; it's about minding your place.
You're projecting a moral argument into a dressing down from a commanding officer that had nothing to do with morality. Did Picard comment on the morality of Wess's decision in any way? Did he say whether he'd do the same thing or that that he admired or disapproved of his actions? No. He point out the consequences and potential consequences of Wess's actions and said it _wasn't his place_ to make that decision. 0:39
I know it's a common tactic (especially these days) to twist the truth or the situation to make the party you're sympathetic towards seem justified and/or the victim, but twitsing the perception of the truth doesn't change the actual truth. Whether or not he made the righteous choice is irrelevant, it was not his choice to make. He spoke and acted with authority far beyond his station, and that's what Picard is dressing him down for.
But then, this is also the biggest reason why people hated Wess; he's a fucking Gary Stu. He could do no wrong, he was always right and if you disagreed with him you were portrayed as being in the wrong... Or just dumber. They'd even change the core characteristics of those around him in order to make him look better. He had no character flaws aside from being a teenager... And that's not really an actual flaw. He was a poorly written character and this scene should have happened far sooner in the series.
"What you're doing is Wrong!"
"Don't care. While you wear that uniform, you will obey every command that I give!"
Me:...Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Nemesis, and Every other time you broke Federation orders for the right reason. -_-
Well it was already a very delicate situation which they were trying to peacefully resolve & save lives one way or the other.
It's easy to judge something, solving that something may prove to be more grey than you originally thought.
@@littlearvin1641 True, for the movies, but this was late Mid-Season, and Picard had already defied Star Fleet orders before.
Insurrection as well..
@@raspherion Yep. Picard challenging orders is part of the way the character was utilized, as a sounding board of Federation principles. It's why I groan everytime someone mentions this specific episode to trash Insurrection(which was a mediocre movie overall), while ignoring every other episode where Picard challenged bad Starfleet orders. Measure of a Man being a good early example.
When in Nemesis did Picard break regulations?
Now we know what the Traveler meant. He meant that Wesley would go on and appear in Big Bang Theory episodes and be a part of Geek & Sundry with his Tabletop series. I tell you, those Star Trek characters can be really cryptic with their prophecies.
That is the funny thing. Will Wheaton was sort of playing as himself in TNG.
“Indian ritual” he got high as hell!
Guess he had high hopes then he got fired!!! Wes, "I went to the academy but then I got high!!!" Riker, "I got high then I married Deanna!" Picard, "I go high then had your mother. Sadly this is the moment you stepped into the picture son." Shakes his head in agony. ""Nothing but a major disappointment."
It took guts for Wesley to stand up to Picard. Star Trek has no Jar Jar.
@Ian Gardner Picard has a very dark side to his nature
I just love when Picard doesn't have the final word in an argument.
What the hell does that mean?
@@osiris7089 During the show he was often quite bossy and arrogant, in time he learned some humility.
I love Captain Picard but there is no denying that he can be a bit of a stern and rigid stick in the mud sometimes!
Once they stopped forcing Wil to play Wesley as the Galaxy’s most ginormous twerp, he actually became interesting to watch.
“He had to follow his own path.”
He wanted to leave for college. Good for Will Wheaton!
And even better for fans of Star Trek. Good riddance to a terrible character and a Gary Sue.
@@Mentatskillz There were only 5 episodes after this one, so does it really matter
@@Mentatskillz I really like Wil Wheaton but I really hate Wesley Crusher.
@@Mentatskillz Thanks for sharing and teaching me what a "Gary Sue" character is. I didn't know.
Also they fucked him over earlier in the show. Basically he had this part that wasn’t a scheduling conflict but things changed as they can. The new gig was much bigger so he asked to be written out of next episode, and a producer was all “no we really need you for this one,
Lot of stuff between Wesley and his mom, we can’t not have you it ruins the whole the “ so he dropped that gig and came. He had one line in one scene, and his career was impacted just for that. That’s when he knew he was leaving the show.
Kinda strange...because Picard himself would resign from Starfleet years later.
Meh.
Star Trek Picard isn't worthy of canon. I'll never accept that it is the same character.
@@baracuta3279 He means Star Trek Insurrection. Guess you forgot about that movie.
@@iluvatar003 Oop, I totally did.
Most of the trek films aren't great anyways.
You could argue that Jean Luc was so impassioned because it reminded him of himself. He didn't know how to handle it.
You might make an argument for Picard right here that's Wesley decision to quit Starfleet may have inspired him when he ran into almost the same situation with Admiral Dougherty and the Bak'u people in the film Star Trek: Insurrection. If Wesley was wise enough to walk away from Starfleet especially since he knew it was wrong for them to relocate those native Indian tribes, surely Picard would have remembered that situation when he chose to remove his uniform and go help the Bak'u who were in the same situation. Except the major difference being that the Bak'u homeworld was the sight of a fountain of youth.
It's understandable for Wesley to leave Starfleet. I like to think he had enough of Picard telling him to "Shut up" and treating him poorly.
Daniel Williamson That’s because he was a whiny idiot.
@@RevolverOcelot79 you said it brother
AERO Mechanic He's young, of course he's going to be whiny, but it doesn't mean he isn't right.
@@Palafico3 That maybe so. We all make bad decisions and choices and Wesley chose the wrong ambition - joining Starfleet.
That, and Picard saying Wesley has to follow orders, and “it’s not his place” to question orders...
Seems to me that’s the same argument everyone who has committed war crimes has used...the reality is it is EVERYONES responsibility to question authority if they sincerely believe the orders given are unlawful or immoral.
Yes, they risk everything, including death, by doing so...but a war crime is also punishable by death. There is no defense other than “I tried to make them stop, and it cost me my life (or career).”
Wesley did the right thing by standing up for the people affected by Starfleet in this episode. Tbh, I was disappointed by Picards’ defense.
Favorite part is always when one of the capts are dressing down someone for not following orders, but they do the same thing and it's no big deal.
Yep
Because a captain doing it is fine compared to a cadet or ensign doing it which can cause issues.
Shit flows down hill.
The totalitarianism of Star Fleet. It also shows the basic human belief we can do no wrong if it means finding or creating an enemy so we can fight them. Good acting here!
The grief on picard's face is palpable.
I mean... Realizing that you have no chance of ever poking Beverly because you dissed her son is a big loss for Picard.
I think the main difference between Wesley and Picard disobeying orders is time and experience. The reason why the academy and the millitary in general drill cadets to take orders is because it instills discipline, allows them to carry out combat effectively, and to define a clear chain of command. If every cadet questioned every order then the millitary would fall apart.
Some orders have to be questioned. Look what happened as a result of the Maquis forming: the Dominion War.
Orders must be followed. Disobeying on principle is called for in some instances but with full knowledge of the consequences for doing so.
Wesley did the right thing he followed his heart. Go wes good for u
"But I will tell you this, while you wear that uniform You will obey EVERY order you are given. And you WILL conform to Starfleet regulations and rules of conduct! Is that clear!" For some reason this scene always stands out to me in my mind. Picard really knows how to give a dress down and Patrick Stewart does a great job acting it out!
"So if you order me to gas 12 million Klingons, I must obey Sir? And if I say 'I was just following orders' It will justify that?"
Get off my ship you little shit!
It rubbed me the wrong way. _big time_ wrong way.
That kind of statement goes against everything Wesley's learned from Picard...everything _we've_ learned from Picard.
Contrast this with Picard's "First Duty" speech. Wesley looked like he'd rather be in a Supernova than face Picard. But now he stands defiant, resolute. Picard's words are empty, and I think he realized that, once Wesley quit.
@@davecrupel2817 I can definitely see why some people think so. I like to see it as I don't think Picard necessarily disagrees with Wesley's conclusion but more with how he went about it. Wesley is an Ensign and not a seasoned officer. He has little command experience and is still a Cadet. It's not Wesley's place to question Federation policy or orders unless the order is doing some illegal. Picard on the other hand is a seasoned Captain and officer with years of experience and alot of weight and pull at Starfleet. Picard has the ability to disobey orders if he thinks it goes against the interests of Starfleet or the Federation. At least this is my take but I can sympathize with those who think Picard looks hypocritical but I see it in more of a Chain of Command light.
@@DrownedInExile That's very true! Wesley stands very resolute here.
Captain Picard looks like he’s trying to figure out what kind of metal
kind of laughable hearing Picard preach "while you wear that uniform you will obey every order you are given" when he, Kirk, Janeway, and Sisko routinely disobeyed orders to do "what was right".
Wesley takes DMT and immediately leaves star fleet and buys some traditional native clothing.
THen Picard makes the same stand in Insurrection
everytime i see this scene i can not help but watch scenes from insurrection put in as well.
series picard and movie picard are two different picards
Maybe Wesley inspired him. (Nope, rather just as others have pointed out, Picard does whatever the hell he wants and gets away with it time and again.)
That’s because “Insurrection” had white people being forcefully moved.
@@rydermccall3590 Coloring of people had nothing to do with this.
I honestly don’t think Wesley ever even wanted to be in Starfleet in the first place. He spent his whole life hearing people constantly tell him he was going to grow up to be just like his dad (which, if you think about it for two seconds, is kind of a messed up thing to tell a kid whose dad died when they were five) and everyone just assumed he was going to be Starfleet because of his intellect. I don’t think it even occurred to him until much later that he didn’t have to be.
I always missed Wesley after he left, for me the series was never the same. Don’t know why, perhaps he reminded me of being that young.
And then Picard and crew pull a Wesley for the same reason in Star Trek: Insurrection.
Starfleet inconsistency makes me laugh more than angry for some reason
But to be fair, I think Picard was just following orders in this episode.
Picard knew that it was regrettable. I don't think he agreed to hurting them
@@robjackson5245 so what he also had his "orders" in star trek insurrection.
Let's be fair, though. Picard met a hot MILF in that movie, so he had no choice but to defy his orders.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Plus those Metaphasic rings were bringing out the rebel in everyone
I'm watching "Journey's End" and watched "Insurrection" recently, too, so I thought I'd revisit this discussion and respond to a comment that I guess is no longer in the thread. I thought someone here had mentioned that the crew had simply been defying a rogue admiral and not the Federation top brass in "Insurrection," but after having watched it again, I can confidently say that that's not true. That admiral, Admiral Dougherty, had received approval from the Federation Council to remove the Ba'ku, and it had taken two years to gain that approval, so the removal of the Ba'ku in "Insurrection" was just as thought-out by the Federation Council as the removal of the American Indians in "Journey's End" was and maybe even more so. Therefore, Picard and crew's actions in "Insurrection" were no more excusable than Wesley's in "Journey's End". "Insurrection" even included the scene in which Ru'afo of the Son'a discussed with Admiral Dougherty that it had taken 24 months to get Federation Council approval to do what they were doing, so Dougherty had obviously been telling the truth about having Federation approval, and Picard never seemed to doubt it, anyway and still chose to defy orders that he himself believed to be from the top.
Further, yes, we could try to blame the crew's actions on the youth-inducing effects of the rings, which could lead to rebellious tendencies just as Data pointed out in the movie, but that would fit right in with Wesley's actions as a rebellious youth in "Journey's End," so again, Wesley was no more irresponsible than the crew was in "Insurrection."
Wesley had a vision of his father while being on that weed from Solax III and he was told to become the luckiest Drive-In voice that McDonald's had recruited in 237 years of company history instead of being a Starfleet Captain.
Picard youre not even out of the academy and already you’re a quitter???!!! FINE I will arrange for you to go to Romulus.
Wesley: me join the tal shiiar? come on!
Picard: well... not quite. I was thinking more along the lines of a romulan mining colony.
Beverley Crusher also resigned briefly after she was seduced by a ghost and now Wesley resigned after seeing the ghost of his dead farther. The Crusher family is messed up.
It was about time Wesley Crusher became his own person
Such a wholesome moment 🥰
All of the adventures combined with the security if Starfleet is gone, now hes responsible for his own wellbeing, such a big move many are not courageous enough to take.
Or foolish enough
Anyone who stands by his belief and will stand firm by his own convictions will move mountain's.
I am 48 years old and I remember every fucking trekker hated Wesley, so what about now my friends? How is ST now? And we are here all thinking alright this is Star Trek at its best.
I LIKE THE RESOLUTION OF HIS TV, ITS LIKE HE WAS THERE WHILE THEY SHOOT THIS EPISODE, (the un steady of the camera)
For all his faults(and he had lots of 'em!), Crusher showed a lot of guts, particularly in this scene in which he notifies Jean-Luc of his resignation.
Wes Hey Mom I'm a man now. I ain't joining the military in a super genius. I'm gonna be alright.
wesley was smart he saw STD.. wesley said Iam out BITCHES!!!!!!! TAKE THIS BADGE AND SHOVE IT!!!!! GO WESLEY!!!!
WESLEY BURNS PICARD HARD!!!!!!!!!
LOVE IT!!!!!!!
Was Darth Vader watching? I hear heavy breathing in the background.
Wesley’s entire arc was about this moment.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right, just because something is illegal doesn't make it morally wrong.
That's the same argument they used to legalize weed!!!
🐉
This is similar to when a dad tells his son that as long as you live under this roof, you will follow our rules only to have the son reply that he will no longer be living under this roof.
Well it works better when you have somewhere to go.
I was really hoping in Picard season 3 that Wes would have shown up as a well rounded jack of all trades. Making his way thru the galaxy on his own , his own terms with his own team. Sorta like Guardians of the Galaxy - oh how I hoped 🙌
Yet there he is at the dining table at the beginning of Insurrection
I think you mean Nemesis.
Thank you
Ironically enough, after this episode, Ro Laren left Starfleet to join the Maqui. Hell of a way to end the series, huh? Lol
Great ending for Wesley. The most annoying character on the show was taken away by some 4th dimensional space pervert.
Despite the ass chewing that Wesley got, I can't help but feel like Picard had some measure of respect for Wesleys resignation. Wesley was certainly out of line and deserved that reprimanding lecture, but when the moment came to submit and fall in line, he instead chose to hold strong to his personal beliefs despite the consequences.
He finally displayed the mark of a good Officer in this scene, showing a strong sense of integrity and moral principle, recognizing that something was very wrong with the Federations ethics and standing against it, and not only was he right, but when the moment of fate finally came, he chose to fall on his sword rather than bend his knee. His duty was to the truth, first and foremost, and he gave up his career to defend that truth.
Picard lost a good Ensign, but I feel like he gained a lot of respect for Wesley for showing some spine and standing up for what he believed in, knowing full well what it would cost him. That takes guts.
"I don't know what's gotten into you lately."
_You_ got into him, Picard.
Your principles, morals and ethics, have been getting into Wesley for his entire tenure on the Enterprise. Both before and during his comission.
And now you punish him for following those very same principles...
Picard treated him like a son, I'm sure that hurt him.
Secretly Wesley was his son. He was Picard's secret love child with Dr. Crusher!!!
Wes spent all that time on Enterpise, 4 years at the academy and he quits right before graduation lmao
I like the dialoge, good episode.
Picard: you cheeky shit.
Well played, Wesley.
Having read Wil Wheatons "Still Just a Geek", Wesleys dialogue with his mother has a much deeper meaning now, and sounds like a parallel to Wils real life situation.
I find it interesting that most the comments are siding with Wesley (one of the most disliked characters of the show) over Picard. I’m not saying I disagree, I just find it interesting. Just goes to show the meaning behind this scene
I was kinda expecting him to go and take control of the entirprise and go and wipe out earth with the borg 😂
Recording your TV, hearing room echo..... Got 23 seconds in and noped out.
The truth and a military career do not go together. I know this from personal experience.
A lot of people here are saying that Picard is hypocritical because he violates orders often to Do The Right Thing. Yes, but he is a very experienced officer who knows when and how much to deviate. Wesley here is a raw cadet and he barely knows how to wipe his butt. Rules and the chain of command exist for a reason. Everybody thinks they know better than the other guy and a military organization cannot allow subordinates to question every order or action. Unless the Commanding Officer is obviously wrong or impaired in judgement, the orders are to be followed regardless of your personal opinions. Often there is shit going on behind the scenes to which that the rank and file is not aware. The CO doesn't have time or an obligation to explain the larger picture. Picard and Riker know very well the risks of violating orders. They make calculated decisions based on those pros and cons. The ability to do so comes from years of experience. Years that Wesley does not have.
Loved this! well done and very true!
He said “while your wearing the uniform”. Wouldn’t it have been interesting for wesly to just leave, change clothes, come back, and say “I’m not in uniform so I don’t have to follow orders.”
in short
"stop that Wesley, we have an(other) expansionist & aggressive faction to appease and allow to gain access to more and more tech/resources/sovereign-territory/strategic-positions even though we are already surrounded by many other such empires"
Wesley resigning from the academy is the saddest decision he’s ever made and stuck with it cause now that he has he can never wear his uniform again...until he did in Star Trek: Nemesis
i agree it was very sad 😢
It was the best thing to happen yo next gen. He was the worst
Deleted scenes aren't canon. As far as I know, there has never been a canon reference to Wesley rejoining Starfleet.
plus he spent time hanging out with a weird pedo alien that took him to the mutilverse and showed him his warp bubble.
@@thewewguy8t88 I'm impressed and sickened you found a way to make that weird...
I noticed the red and black swap between their uniforms. Interesting.
Is Gates McFadden the most beautiful redhead who ever lived?
Convenient that he discovered his cosmic destiny on the same day he decided to quit
I think Wesley Decide to return to Starfleet as non-commission officer because of Dominion war Conflict afterwards Starfleet he decided to promote him to Lieutenant
I love watching Star Trek in shit-o-vision with someone breathing in my ear.
🤭
How do you think these series would have went if the internet was more commonplace back then?
Cancelled early. 😏👌👍
Wesley should have went and joined the KDF after this. They would have fought off the cardassians here.
Wesley leaving the Enterprise on that day was when "STARFLEET" on the universal stock exchange soared to record plateaus, a rendezvous celebration ensued on the Enterprise and champagne was overflowing the glasses like niagra falls. lol
md9751 are you Sheldon Cooper? 🤣
And Wil Wheaton celebrated the end of the role that typecast him and made him hated.
Heat rays powering up the entire vid
Love to see him in the new tv show
Good for him for showing some spine. He should have resigned right after “shut up wesley”
Every time Picard give someone a lecture about starfleet they resign....
Eventually, everyone gets sick of their wishes being constantly undercut. If you find yourself having to tell someone to shape up or get out, often times they will want to do the thing they think is best, and if they have a true intent and backbone then they will inevitably just tell you to fuck off.
🐐
Well, THAT backfired!
He predicted what Star treK would become...
Well, there is always the option to go and flip burgers somewhere ...
Meh, in the era of the Federation, there's probably just replicators. No flipping required.
flip burgers?? not for Wes! this kids a super genius. hes gonna be FINE without Starfleet
@@MilesEdgeworth129 Lmao - I SHOULD have thought of that myself actually!
Just because you leave the military, doesn't mean that your life no longer has meaning or that you are doomed to be stuck in minimum wage.
he COULD join the Merchant Marine and put his Starfleet training to use on a freighter. Union wages, benefits and pension.
Dr. Crusher is my crush. Seriously. She's beyond gorgeous!
That ending.
Picard breaks into a smile. "We finally got rid of the little shit."
🤣🤣🤣
If only they could do that with troi
And this is why everyone loves Wesley.
1:12 Picard: "What the heck are you talking about"
That's a face that says, "oh god, I don't think I used enough toilet paper"
i agree 😊
Considering the level of mind control or influence that could be done through deliberately taking peyote.
"Shut up Wesley!"
I forgot, is this the very last episode with Wesley Crusher?
Jamie Garrity Yes it is, although he did appear later on at Riker and Troi’s wedding scene in the final TNG film Nemesis.