I don't think I'll ever forget Bill absolutely NAILING the Luka draft. I mean, he had it PERFECT, and I don't think any of that is luck. When he looks at things objectively, he tends to be fairly on the money. Which is why he's been in basketball journalism for so dang long
@@petergianakopoulos4926 Yeap, he's an employee with distribution rules. In theory, RUclips is only meant for "advertising" purposes for their podcasts.
@@petergianakopoulos4926 I think the issue is that Spotify owns the ringer, so he’s probably limited to how much he can upload on RUclips. Other wise why not upload an entire video version for every pod as well, at least the important segments.
yes that is what i read..its probably in his contract he can upload x amount to get people over to spotify that then spotify will benefit@@MultiBluedog123
Bill is at his best when he’s sitting next to Jalen rose. I still don’t understand why he doesn’t work at the ringer. I expected it after he was let go by ESPN after like 15 years
I truly love how Bill and co can have an hour long conversation about two teams that every other pundit or commentator would spend 2 minutes on MAYBE before running out of things to talk about. as a raps fan, seeing these guys go for this long without it feeling forced was a beautiful thing to watch
The ESPN Page 2 days, right? It's lost now that he was an even more entertaining writer than podcaster. The pods and videos allow him to make much more content but the quality of his takes in edited long-form articles was even higher. Oh yeah and he was writing during a renaissance of Boston pro sports that included the fall of a 100 year curse and the emergence of the greatest NFL champion of all time.
Not a Raptors or Knicks fan and I despise this deal for Toronto. How they decided to take that RJ contract instead of Fournier’s expiring is beyond me.
@@Andrew034 the raps clearly believe in RJ to some extent. Not that I agree with them but obviously masai is willing to take a chance on him. I think they could have done better than IQ and RJ for OG tho. There were so many teams that wanted OG even with him having a down season so far. Even pistons were interested and I bet ivey and/or ausar were on the table
pascal( 2 yr 40m) for tobias harris (1 yr 40m) and a first or some 2nds then raptors can let harris go for 40m space add peices in offseason they will be good next season
Thought experiment - If an all Canadian rotation of SGA, Murray, Dort, Wiggins, Olynyk, Mathurin, Sharpe, RJ, Brooks, Brandon Clarke, Boucher were assembled, where would the team would sit in the Eastern Conference standings?
I am not sure where this “Scottie can’t shoot and needs spacers” narrative comes from… dude is shooting 39.5% on almost 6 3-pointers per game this season. It isn’t Steph Curry - but it’s not chopped liver
You watch guys like Chet And SGA make incredible jumps in just a year or two and you know it’s not the talent that’s changed - that’s the same - it’s intelligence and hard work. Four years in RJ looks like exactly the same guy he was at Duke, no growth no real improvement, and you have to question his “dedication” (to quote Jalen Hurts) to the game and the team.
Or Okc goes full circle Trades For Kevin Durant and makes a run now at the title. Looking at the past where they only got 1 Finals appearance from a more talented team with Young Durant/Westbrook/Harden. 🫢🤔
Being home maybe can unlock him, but he's been really underwhelming for about 4 of 5 years now. Only year he looked truly great was in 2020-21 when he shot efficiently, otherwise he's been inefficient as hell and wildly inconsistent. IQ is the biggest asset in the trade, he'll be great, even if he was never going to fit in the future for the Knicks with Brunson there.
@@mambaASI IQ is not Lou Williams . His offensive is similar to Maxy. Defensively he is pretty good, not great. Won’t make many mistakes, but wont blow ur mind on both side of the ball. My experience as a Knick fan. I think quickly is having a peak year in my opinion, most people think he can be an all star, im in the minority of opinions. Also , I like Rj. He is a jack of all trades. I think he give Toronto another good option as a playmaker and shot creator taking pressure off Scotty .
I'm surprised we are not talking about Miles Mcbride. This guy is now going to get minutes and he is more of a Thibs guy than Quickley was. Very long wingspan at 6'2 sneaky good defender and sneaky good initiator of offense. I think with Anunoby the lineup has to look like... PGs: Jalen Brunson, Miles Mcbride SGs: Donte D., Josh Hart SFs: OG Anunoby, PFs: Julius Randle, Precious A. Cs: Isiah Hartenstein, Taj Gibson Then when Sims comes back you can play him more. I feel Fournier still doesn't crack this lineup. With Ryan Archidiacono gets minutes I would laugh. I feel Malachi Flynn will get some run and everyone will be surprised I remember he was balling when he first came in and got buried on the bench. I feel he could give you some strong minutes here or there. I would say that is your solid 9 then swap Gibson with Sims later. Sparingly throw in Fournier/Flynn depending on injury and resting of certain players. Either way unless Anunoby becomes a 20 pt scorer this trade may not work. Nice to finally have a solid SF though.
This feels like a win-win. I'm a Raptors fan and the Knicks fans - I get the pain of losing Quickley - I love his game and the Raptors have a guy who can play with Barnes & really thrive. But O.G. will fit like a glove under Thibs. I love his game too and considering his agent, you're going to have a great guy long-term who makes you a better contender & you still have pieces to deal with picks and Fournier's contract (Also, Precious will work well as a depth piece) For the Raptors - they aren't going anywhere - it's time to deal Siakam as well, take the capital that comes with that and you start rebuilding. Barnes is a legit emerging perennial all-star - Quickley with him is going to be a wild combination. I love trades like this where both teams get something good that can turn into great.
As a Knicks fan, I will always want to see IQ thrive. Him and Barnes are gonna be great together. I hope Raps include Shroeder in a deal with Siakam. RJ will hopefully know his role on the team and improves.
The Knicks should look at Brogdon. He can score, play both guard positions, he's efficient. Would be a great backup to Brunson who can play alongside him at times. And very available.
Several things to consider that other commenters haven't stressed: 1) It is widely reported that before the trade, OG told his agent (who is the SON of Knicks president Leon Rose) that he would take a paycut to stay in NY. 2) Additionally, several of you have mentioned that OG is 'just' a catch-and-shoot Three'n Dee- type player. That is EXACTLY the type of player that NY needs right now to surround around Brunson and Randle. He might not be the ideal third-star player, but he is arguably the best remaining Wing player who doesn't need the ball in his hands, currently on the trade market. 3) Quickley, despite being a restricted free agent, will be commanding lots of bucks this summer. So how many of you Raptor fans are actually willing to pay $25m - $30m/per for 5 years, for someone who hasn't even proven himself as a starting lead guard? 4) RJ Barrett is being paid $26m, $28m, and $30m for the next 3 years. 5) I would NOT consider grading an A- for the Knicks, because you have to consider whether the Knicks still have the assets to trade for a third 'Superstar' player -- which OG is not. Quickley had the most talent to use as instant trade bait, and RJ's salary would've been useful to bridge any payroll discrepancies in a trade for a Superstar type player. Now it will be extremely difficult to find a team willing to trade away their superstar for just Grimes/Fournier + First-Round picks.
@Nono0618 a) Arguments are based on the assumption that Knicks will be building the team around Brunson first option, and Randle second option. As such, Quickley does not fit into long-term plans because he takes shots away from Brunson, and will be a bystander when Brunson shoots. Therefore, can't afford to spend $30m on a backup lead guard -- no matter how good he might be. b) By trading for OG, Knicks retain his Bird Rights. Knicks can spend the entire summer trying to sign free agents and get right under the cap. THEN they can sign OG for $30m, and go way over the cap. Quickley, however, is RFA. Teams can offer a poison pill contract as soon as the summer starts, and force the Knicks to sign him, fuck over their cap space, before they can sign other free agents. c) There are at least 8-10 guards who can perform up to 80-90% of what Quickley does, but can be had for only $15-20m per, or at least traded for a few picks. OG is arguably the best Three'n Dee Wing player available for trade or free agency this summer. The Knicks needs at least one of them, along with a third 'superstar' player, to surround Brunson and Randle. OG might be less talented, but his skills fit better with what Brunson and Randle lacks.
I don't buy Quickley demanding a fat enough contract beyond his perceived market value. Small combo guards are always about in the draft with the limitation of their value hinging on shooting/playmaking and not being a defensive liability. Along with a teams roster make up that hides their clear weaknesses in size. Of the 7 teams projected to have big cap space openings for the 2024 FA, none are a major great fit for IQ to have playmakers around him and bodies to keep him away on defense. I'm really not scared of his RFA situation which could be similar for Ayton years back where the Suns let him test his market value. The Pacers gave him an offer sheet MUCH lower than what he valued himself and the Suns happily matched. In the end if IQ wants to help inflate his value and skills in the coming years, Raps are a good place to start and the template he should follow is a former Raps player who bet on himself at the right time and got a fat short term contract from the Rockets in Fred VanVleet.
Three left handers for the Knicks weren’t going to work, being a raptor fan this is the best trade in a long time, watch RJ flourish with the raptors, Quickley going to be a monster for us 😊
Excellent take on the trade. As a knicks fan my go to is kftv but because of og I've had a chance tolisten to podcasts I didn't know existed and most were disappointing. Great take.
RJ is soft as a tissue! He is a good guy though. Glad to have OG in Knicks uniform. I will miss Quickley but it open more playing time for Grimes, Hart & DiVincenzo.
How is he soft… He played almost every game in 4 seasons🤦🏼♂️ Got to the line heaps. Trusted defender for Thibs. But you and your feminine profile picture isnt soft?🤣 Look in the damn mirror. You are probably like 5’4. RJ would body you
A Canadian being one of the top players on Canada's only franchise for the next few years is GREAT! I think his value is being underrated. Watch him take the leap in the next 20-30 games.
should be interesting to see who the next domino to fall will be. I kidna get the feeling that other teams might start to make moves sooner more than later to not miss out.
@@SkippaMcHavn keegans better then RJ and Quickley so why would the Kings give up Murray? We got Huerter, Davion, Duarte, Colby Jones, Barnes and picks. We have multiple pieces
@@BWalker9313 b/c OG is one of the best two ways in the league that can guard 1-5 and is only 26. We'd want a promising young star in Keegan which is the price you'd have to pay if you want to compete for a chip
When the Raptors entered the league there were so few Canadian NBA players of note; they could've negotiated territorial draft rights for Canadians like the Montreal Canadians did with Quebecois in their heyday.
@@IVoldiIAh, thanks. I used to listen to that hoping to find at least one of the days that was worth it, but unsubscribed. I remember not liking Wos, Logan, or Raja.
Im so happy the Raptors finally decided to blow it up so to speak, just wish Masai would have done this 2 years ago, but still a good sign as a Raps fan, we got our prospect (Scottie) and RJ ( home grown ). Now all they need to do is UNLOCK Scottie, and bulid, and we can have a squad by 2026-27. Move in the right way, lets go!!!!!!! as a Raps fan!!!
Based solely on this trade I'm giving Masai a pass. Scottie was a curveball, the team was trending towards handing off the post-Lowry era to FVV and Skills. Then Scottie happened. Nurse tried to force the FVV thing. But with this trade things this season are making sense.. Darko giving minutes to the rotation to see what sticks, Flynn is important to this trade happening. McDaniels is getting his minutes boosted lately, he may be tossed into a Skills trade. I'm just happy to know the front office has had somewhat of a plan.
Tyus Jones would be the perfect back up point guard for this year, he is also on an expiring contact which is a huge positive when comparing to a guy like Clarkson or to a lesser degree TJ.
As a warriors fan, at this point with the way Kuminga and Wiggins have looked I would totally be down for a Wiggins for Siakam trade. I feel like Wiggins needs a change of scenery, and the raptors fans would probably LOVE having a native Canadian on the team. And the warriors would move off Wiggins contract which would probably help us be able to extend Kuminga and re-sign Pascal
@@isaactaylor6236 agreed. I mean, we've lead the league in games that have gone down to the clutch. We've played a very difficult schedule, and we haven't exactly been whole most of the year. So I think we're gonna switch things up. Cause imo, we wouldn't let the idea of Wiggins being available get out for no reason.
@@isaactaylor6236 I think Klay is necessary just because of how reliable he's been in the playoffs for the overwhelming majority of his career. like, we all know who game 6 Klay is for a reason. He can be a quality spot up shooter with insane, cataclysm-level upside if he gets hot.
its the same problem with OG, he's probably not worth 40m, and likely a 4th or 5th option on a contender... but unlike quickley he's a known commodity since he's been the 3rd option for years
Like the theory that looking for distressed assets might be beating the market, not stacking picks Thunder style. Don't necessarily agree but it's interesting, there's so much talent in the league these days there's more guys who could POP if given the opportunity
It's a nifty little theory but how many "distressed assets" have actually panned out in the past 10 years? By that let's set the definition to a player drafted in the top 10, then the team that drafted them gave up on them inside the first 4 years, before their first RFA contract.
@@75aces97 I think the Knicks won the trade, don't get me wrong. One early second rounder and two "distressed assets" for OG? Big win. Do think that you'd have to widen that definition though to, say, top 20 picks.
@@leonardschneider2797 I suppose I bring it up since the Knicks are one of the best examples of a franchise that tried the reclamation project route during the doldrum years. They tried cobbling starting lineups out of Brandon Jennings, Trey Burke, Mario Hezonja, Emanuel Mudiay, Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Julius Randle, and Dennis Smith. They cost almost nothing and were worth almost that much. More recently Detroit has tried this experiment on Smith (that guy again?😫), Knox, Wiseman, and so far it’s worked out as well as you’d expect. I don’t consider this trade an example of distressed assets. OG Anybody is a pretty good player that several teams wanted, so NYK had to give up something of value for him.
Can Bill admit he was wrong about Gobert trade? It was great. It propelled Minnesota to the best team in the league. They traded a few non-starter guys who no one wants. And the 4 picks will be end of first round and of middling value because the Wolves will be top of the league thanks to Gobert. Amazing trade.
Bill taking a victory lap on the thunder is hilarious. Everyone had them as a top 4 seed. I’ve been saying since the summer they’d win 52 games. I don’t think it’s a surprise they’re this good
I don’t understand this deal for Toronto. They are saying with this trade that they think they can win. This takes them from like the 10th seed to the 8th seed. No way you can trade Siakam for just picks now.
curious what knicks fan would have thought of adding poeltl and robinson into this trade and removing the detroit pick, so OG and poeltl for guigley, robinson and RJ?
3 late 1sts or a potential young star in IQ, a good young player under contract in RJ, and pretty much a late 1st round pick. As a Raps fan id much rather this package we got
Precious is an enigma. Looks great one game and barely an nba player next 3. OG good player but energy draining with guys like Barnes on the court. Time has come for a change. Toronto is way more up tempo with Quickly and Barnes. RJ will be better than in NY. He’s excited to be back home and the development team will work with him.
It is actually quite easy to predict RJ's future. He comfortably has been the worst shooting full-time starter in the NBA since he's been in the league. And, no, this is not disappointing. OG is a huge upgrade over RJ.
Without looking at salaries, a deal centered on Wiggins-Siakim makes sense. Lets the old-guard in GS possibly go out together, gets a another playable Canadian in Toronto.
Absolutely and all the frustration from knicks fans about RJ is exactly the same raps felt about og on the offensive end. Can defend but can't take 2 dribbles without putting it off his foot
Recency bias is insane, nothing we've seen over the past 4yrs matters cuz Colby White balled out from October-December 31 2023. It's pointless to discuss Colby White vs RJ Barrett; White was just a free agent..the other 29 teams all said nope pass. The RJ disrespect is out here in a major way
I thought Cavs were gonna be involved, actually relieved, room for Luke Travers to be our 2way point forward 3&D wing connector type of superglue star role player. Lol, hopefully by next season he’s called up from NBL. So, for no reason but this, Luke Travers and the Cavs kinda win. I figured Mitchell would’ve gotten RJ to Toronto and OG to us. Cavs should reinvest in the youth movement, let Mitchell stay or walk, let the vibes ride.
If you were to make a draft of the Top 3 picks from the last 7 drafts, most NBA fans wouldn't take RJ in the top 15. Looking at RJ, it's easy to see that he hit his ceiling at Duke. I liked RJ as a Knick, but let's be honest, the number 3 pick is supposed to be a cornerstone. If it wasn't for free agent signings (Brunson, Randle, and Donte), this franchise would be constantly in the lottery with RJ.
@@trustoryj6476 he’s under contract for next year too. Literally 0 reason to trade him for a garbage New York package. They can enjoy Dejounte Murray’s services for that
There is no need to package all your picks anymore. This new NBA has proved it is not worth it. This trade was perfect for the Knicks. Love the conversation and i think Precious Achuwa definitely makes sense.
The Knicks will now have to pay a defensive stopper a max or close to max contract. OG will not extend, opt out, and become a UFA at the end of the season. The Knicks have no leverage. They'll have to give OG a massive contract. OG is a good player, but his next contract is the problem.
He's CAA so I presumed they would have basically agreed a number that the Knicks and OG is happy with before committing. Be interesting to see what this is too.
I don't think Jarrett Allen to OKC makes sense. Chet is awesome at the five. If a team needs a Jarrett Allen it is the Spurs. The recent games show a low post defender is a higher priority for them that a point guard.
Agree w/ Bill the Knicks couldn't pay Quickly so traded him now, agree w/ Rob that Quickly getting a bigger role is a great thing & i agree w/ Justin that Quickly is absolutely a microwave player like Jamal & Lou-Will. But Mahoney said it, Quickly is young enough to have a shot at becoming more than that. Don't kno why RJ gets the blame for not being a great shooter when no one on the Knicks can shoot except Brunson? RJ is still getting better as a non-Knicks fan w/ zero east coast bias RJ isn't the all-star people labeled him as but he's far better than the media portrays him to be. You guys talk like at age 22 dropping 19-4-3 isn't impressive or as if he gets w/ an offensive coach he won't improve, lets put a bit more respect on Barrett's name
You guys are not understanding that RJ’s lil 19 points are heavily forced, he’ll take 22 shots just to make 7 of those and hardly dishes out the rock and is not that much of a good defender. His plus/minus numbers are terrible as well. Don’t let his 19ppg fool you
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This was a Bill simmons flu game. Generational Talent right here.
He's managing his load as he had too many Aperol spritz' after Christmas dinner
He was better when he didn't reveal himself to being an obama supporter.
I don't think I'll ever forget Bill absolutely NAILING the Luka draft. I mean, he had it PERFECT, and I don't think any of that is luck. When he looks at things objectively, he tends to be fairly on the money. Which is why he's been in basketball journalism for so dang long
@@greyklopstock7155 Wow your bf Bill is awesome
@@CEE-ji5rx I'm gay as hell, homie. Date a MAN? Gross, lol
I really wish bill would do this regularly on youtube this is much needed
Spotify no like
@@petergianakopoulos4926 Yeap, he's an employee with distribution rules.
In theory, RUclips is only meant for "advertising" purposes for their podcasts.
@@petergianakopoulos4926 I think the issue is that Spotify owns the ringer, so he’s probably limited to how much he can upload on RUclips. Other wise why not upload an entire video version for every pod as well, at least the important segments.
yes that is what i read..its probably in his contract he can upload x amount to get people over to spotify that then spotify will benefit@@MultiBluedog123
Bill hopping on a pod on the weekend for a raptors trade is why I love him.
Justin and Rob great as usual
This is when Bill is at his best.
Not true if he is not talking about Boston or about having season tickets for the clippers, so no
Bill is at his best when he’s sitting next to Jalen rose. I still don’t understand why he doesn’t work at the ringer. I expected it after he was let go by ESPN after like 15 years
@@L4-295 Also not true. Bill is at his best when they let him have a live mic at the draft.
@@devilfriend😂😂😂😂😂 no argument there my friend
He's at his best with a pen ...to paper
I truly love how Bill and co can have an hour long conversation about two teams that every other pundit or commentator would spend 2 minutes on MAYBE before running out of things to talk about. as a raps fan, seeing these guys go for this long without it feeling forced was a beautiful thing to watch
& he was open from u 😊😅
The winner of this trade is the Detroit Pistons.
So true!!! This trade is what ended the losing streak
@@TimothyFitzgerald-s8w Na Raptors were bound to lose, the trade just gave them an excuse
@@theifxxxxThey were bound to lose, but the previous 28 opponents in a row werent?🤦🏼♂️ Raps have a decent lineup
The other 2 guys non verbal reactions to everything bill says is so hilarious
Nod
Nod
Shrug
Ah ha nod
Nod
Nod
Smacked lips
Nod
😂😂😂
they know who’s their boss
I'm only 10 mins in and the nods are too distracting. Both these guys keep making the same faces and nods at each good point BS makes lol
Been listening (or reading) to B.S. for almost 20 years...and it's still so great
He has the best takes on the NBA
You’ve been listening (or reading) him since before he moved to LA?? That’s dedication my friend lol. Did you watch any given Wednesday too? I did lol
The ESPN Page 2 days, right? It's lost now that he was an even more entertaining writer than podcaster. The pods and videos allow him to make much more content but the quality of his takes in edited long-form articles was even higher. Oh yeah and he was writing during a renaissance of Boston pro sports that included the fall of a 100 year curse and the emergence of the greatest NFL champion of all time.
A 1 hour pod about a trade between two non contenders is the 50 point game of podcasting
NY regardless of how they are playing are still one of the biggest markets in the country.
A 50 point game…in a loss.
I kinda get what you mean but why would you only want to talk about contenders?
I don’t mind. It’s better than hearing about the Los Angeles Lakers and Lebron James 25/7
@@emiliothepoetboth get more attention than they deserve
Bill casually hopping on this pod because he knows WOS is sleeping off a hangover is hilarious.
What's a WOS? Sorry in advance
@@alexanderletzing6705wet old sock. Stan Van Gundy’s nickname
@@alexanderletzing6705 A description about WOJ drunk by a guy also drunk perhaps?
Wos is the 3rd guy on the Ringer NBA show lol
@@alexanderletzing6705this is from the nba show podcast where wos is a co host, but bill replace him for this episode
Thanks for uploading on YT.
As a raptors fan I really like the trade. It’s about time we made a move and got some assets for a soon to be FA.
Not a Raptors or Knicks fan and I despise this deal for Toronto. How they decided to take that RJ contract instead of Fournier’s expiring is beyond me.
@@Andrew034 the raps clearly believe in RJ to some extent. Not that I agree with them but obviously masai is willing to take a chance on him. I think they could have done better than IQ and RJ for OG tho. There were so many teams that wanted OG even with him having a down season so far. Even pistons were interested and I bet ivey and/or ausar were on the table
pascal( 2 yr 40m) for tobias harris (1 yr 40m) and a first or some 2nds then raptors can let harris go for 40m space add peices in offseason they will be good next season
@@sevenster-bg1mj this is a reply to a comment about how they’re happy the raptors didn’t let an FA go for no assets, tho
Y'all got fleeced
That really was one of my favorite episodes. It flowed great, pretty solid takes all around and was fun. Keep up the good work!
Thought experiment - If an all Canadian rotation of SGA, Murray, Dort, Wiggins, Olynyk, Mathurin, Sharpe, RJ, Brooks, Brandon Clarke, Boucher were assembled, where would the team would sit in the Eastern Conference standings?
1st
U forgot Nembhard, Brissett, Powell, Banton, Alexander-Walker, Joseph, Lyles and Edey
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
sounds like a GOLD medal to me!
Raptors fan. Always love bill with the random discussions and somehow still interjecting his Celtics flawlessly lol
Very entertaining 1 hour or pure basketball analysis! New suscriber from Toronto!
I think the way you improve the thunder is by literally just waiting. They're set, they just need time and experience
I am not sure where this “Scottie can’t shoot and needs spacers” narrative comes from… dude is shooting 39.5% on almost 6 3-pointers per game this season. It isn’t Steph Curry - but it’s not chopped liver
I like chopped liver too.
It obviously comes from shooting 20% his previous seasons. And floor spacing is always important. Quickley is a way better fit than Shroder
You watch guys like Chet And SGA make incredible jumps in just a year or two and you know it’s not the talent that’s changed - that’s the same - it’s intelligence and hard work. Four years in RJ looks like exactly the same guy he was at Duke, no growth no real improvement, and you have to question his “dedication” (to quote Jalen Hurts) to the game and the team.
Or maybe he’s just not that good. 🤷🏻♂️
Or Okc goes full circle Trades For Kevin Durant and makes a run now at the title. Looking at the past where they only got 1 Finals appearance from a more talented team with Young Durant/Westbrook/Harden. 🫢🤔
nah it's talent and mentality. rj is slow and not explosive. he plays like kobe without the skills
yup Jalen is a turkey
Great post. I am a Boston fan and watching Jaylen Brown improve year to year...RJ had a higher floor than Jaylen Brown but he has not improved.
That second round pick is big and quickley always caught my eye….never a Barrett fan but being in Toronto could help his overall game.
Being home maybe can unlock him, but he's been really underwhelming for about 4 of 5 years now. Only year he looked truly great was in 2020-21 when he shot efficiently, otherwise he's been inefficient as hell and wildly inconsistent. IQ is the biggest asset in the trade, he'll be great, even if he was never going to fit in the future for the Knicks with Brunson there.
There is someone that Toronto has there eye on in the second round (basically a late first round pick) .. and yes Barrett will be a force in Toronto.
@@MrRapmaster19 idk what quickley ceiling is tbh. He strikes me as a lou will type player with a better 3pt shot
You may be the first person ever to get pumped on an NBA second round pick.
@@mambaASI IQ is not Lou Williams . His offensive is similar to Maxy. Defensively he is pretty good, not great. Won’t make many mistakes, but wont blow ur mind on both side of the ball. My experience as a Knick fan. I think quickly is having a peak year in my opinion, most people think he can be an all star, im in the minority of opinions. Also , I like Rj. He is a jack of all trades. I think he give Toronto another good option as a playmaker and shot creator taking pressure off Scotty .
I'm surprised we are not talking about Miles Mcbride. This guy is now going to get minutes and he is more of a Thibs guy than Quickley was. Very long wingspan at 6'2 sneaky good defender and sneaky good initiator of offense. I think with Anunoby the lineup has to look like...
PGs: Jalen Brunson, Miles Mcbride
SGs: Donte D., Josh Hart
SFs: OG Anunoby,
PFs: Julius Randle, Precious A.
Cs: Isiah Hartenstein, Taj Gibson
Then when Sims comes back you can play him more. I feel Fournier still doesn't crack this lineup. With Ryan Archidiacono gets minutes I would laugh. I feel Malachi Flynn will get some run and everyone will be surprised I remember he was balling when he first came in and got buried on the bench. I feel he could give you some strong minutes here or there. I would say that is your solid 9 then swap Gibson with Sims later. Sparingly throw in Fournier/Flynn depending on injury and resting of certain players. Either way unless Anunoby becomes a 20 pt scorer this trade may not work. Nice to finally have a solid SF though.
You forgot Grimes. Hart plays PF/SF anyways, and Precious should only be playing at backup C
what about grimes?
that lineup is booty, knick will be in play in
@@chadwellington2524They’ve improved since last year when they were in the 2nd round. You slow?
@@chadwellington2524Yeah, you werent even close to being right. McBride is on fire & Knicks are 3rd even with hella injuries
This feels like a win-win. I'm a Raptors fan and the Knicks fans - I get the pain of losing Quickley - I love his game and the Raptors have a guy who can play with Barnes & really thrive. But O.G. will fit like a glove under Thibs. I love his game too and considering his agent, you're going to have a great guy long-term who makes you a better contender & you still have pieces to deal with picks and Fournier's contract (Also, Precious will work well as a depth piece) For the Raptors - they aren't going anywhere - it's time to deal Siakam as well, take the capital that comes with that and you start rebuilding. Barnes is a legit emerging perennial all-star - Quickley with him is going to be a wild combination. I love trades like this where both teams get something good that can turn into great.
As a Knicks fan, I will always want to see IQ thrive. Him and Barnes are gonna be great together. I hope Raps include Shroeder in a deal with Siakam. RJ will hopefully know his role on the team and improves.
Great take! Solid trade for both teams!
Bum franchises 😂😂
@@KyleClarke-rs3rjYour comment history is all talking shit. Classic loser behaviour. Get some friends🤣
@@KyleClarke-rs3rjYou do know the Raptors won in 2019, right?
Raps fan remember fondly the days of Calderon and TJ ford , and now they have a pg tandem on that level
The Knicks should look at Brogdon. He can score, play both guard positions, he's efficient. Would be a great backup to Brunson who can play alongside him at times. And very available.
would work
Would love it
McBride says: no need!
Thibs found his new Luol Deng lol
so OG is getting 40 minutes a night and become washed by the time he’s 30 ? 😂
@@SomeChink possibly lol I’d give him a bit later than 30 tho
Shit, defending Tatum is easy, just let him shoot step back 3's and he will gladly take 15 of them and make 2.
Mamba mentality
tatum is the achilles heel of the celtics starting 5
Joel embiid thought that too until game 6 and 7 rolled around
He is the king of taking unnecessarily difficult shots
@jayjonah83 step back in to a spin deep 2 fade away while being guarded by dame lillard 😂😂😂
Agree with everyone. More Bill hopping on pods!
Its a def win for Toronto. Not sure OG would stay in Toronto. Now they got 2 very good players and a pick?
Did Kyle mess up and upload the entire pod on vid instead of audio?
Several things to consider that other commenters haven't stressed:
1) It is widely reported that before the trade, OG told his agent (who is the SON of Knicks president Leon Rose) that he would take a paycut to stay in NY.
2) Additionally, several of you have mentioned that OG is 'just' a catch-and-shoot Three'n Dee- type player. That is EXACTLY the type of player that NY needs right now to surround around Brunson and Randle. He might not be the ideal third-star player, but he is arguably the best remaining Wing player who doesn't need the ball in his hands, currently on the trade market.
3) Quickley, despite being a restricted free agent, will be commanding lots of bucks this summer. So how many of you Raptor fans are actually willing to pay $25m - $30m/per for 5 years, for someone who hasn't even proven himself as a starting lead guard?
4) RJ Barrett is being paid $26m, $28m, and $30m for the next 3 years.
5) I would NOT consider grading an A- for the Knicks, because you have to consider whether the Knicks still have the assets to trade for a third 'Superstar' player -- which OG is not. Quickley had the most talent to use as instant trade bait, and RJ's salary would've been useful to bridge any payroll discrepancies in a trade for a Superstar type player. Now it will be extremely difficult to find a team willing to trade away their superstar for just Grimes/Fournier + First-Round picks.
@Nono0618
a) Arguments are based on the assumption that Knicks will be building the team around Brunson first option, and Randle second option. As such, Quickley does not fit into long-term plans because he takes shots away from Brunson, and will be a bystander when Brunson shoots. Therefore, can't afford to spend $30m on a backup lead guard -- no matter how good he might be.
b) By trading for OG, Knicks retain his Bird Rights. Knicks can spend the entire summer trying to sign free agents and get right under the cap. THEN they can sign OG for $30m, and go way over the cap. Quickley, however, is RFA. Teams can offer a poison pill contract as soon as the summer starts, and force the Knicks to sign him, fuck over their cap space, before they can sign other free agents.
c) There are at least 8-10 guards who can perform up to 80-90% of what Quickley does, but can be had for only $15-20m per, or at least traded for a few picks. OG is arguably the best Three'n Dee Wing player available for trade or free agency this summer. The Knicks needs at least one of them, along with a third 'superstar' player, to surround Brunson and Randle. OG might be less talented, but his skills fit better with what Brunson and Randle lacks.
Just happy that he didn’t get traded to a team that I hate haha. He’ll be a really good fit with the Knicks.
I don't buy Quickley demanding a fat enough contract beyond his perceived market value. Small combo guards are always about in the draft with the limitation of their value hinging on shooting/playmaking and not being a defensive liability. Along with a teams roster make up that hides their clear weaknesses in size. Of the 7 teams projected to have big cap space openings for the 2024 FA, none are a major great fit for IQ to have playmakers around him and bodies to keep him away on defense. I'm really not scared of his RFA situation which could be similar for Ayton years back where the Suns let him test his market value. The Pacers gave him an offer sheet MUCH lower than what he valued himself and the Suns happily matched. In the end if IQ wants to help inflate his value and skills in the coming years, Raps are a good place to start and the template he should follow is a former Raps player who bet on himself at the right time and got a fat short term contract from the Rockets in Fred VanVleet.
Three left handers for the Knicks weren’t going to work, being a raptor fan this is the best trade in a long time, watch RJ flourish with the raptors, Quickley going to be a monster for us 😊
Yall lost to the pistons
Who cares u talking about the same day we made a trade and was three players down ok 👌, does it matter who they beat they had to win at some point 🤡
@@JeffbajanI notice you never replied to me lmao. Logic isnt your thing
Excellent take on the trade. As a knicks fan my go to is kftv but because of og I've had a chance tolisten to podcasts I didn't know existed and most were disappointing. Great take.
RJ is soft as a tissue! He is a good guy though. Glad to have OG in Knicks uniform. I will miss Quickley but it open more playing time for Grimes, Hart & DiVincenzo.
How is he soft… He played almost every game in 4 seasons🤦🏼♂️ Got to the line heaps. Trusted defender for Thibs.
But you and your feminine profile picture isnt soft?🤣 Look in the damn mirror. You are probably like 5’4. RJ would body you
Dwayne Casey said "PLEASE throw me a bone Masai. Make the trades before our game against you so we can win. Its just 1 game! We still family???!!!"😅
A Canadian being one of the top players on Canada's only franchise for the next few years is GREAT! I think his value is being underrated. Watch him take the leap in the next 20-30 games.
Og is calm game smart defensive crazy with a 3pt game. Hate to miss those steals from og a good fit for knicks and raptors we needed a fast pt guard
Bill's point about OKC needing more Bigs is exactly why I can never forgive them from trading Senguin, immediately after drafting him lol
Rare L for OKC management
should be interesting to see who the next domino to fall will be. I kidna get the feeling that other teams might start to make moves sooner more than later to not miss out.
As a Kings fan I’m pissed. I wanted OG on the kings so bad.
Yall weren't willing to give up Keegan so we weren't gonna make that happen with yall
@@SkippaMcHavn keegans better then RJ and Quickley so why would the Kings give up Murray?
We got Huerter, Davion, Duarte, Colby Jones, Barnes and picks. We have multiple pieces
@@BWalker9313 b/c OG is one of the best two ways in the league that can guard 1-5 and is only 26. We'd want a promising young star in Keegan which is the price you'd have to pay if you want to compete for a chip
@@SkippaMcHavnalso OG said he’d only take a paycut if he landed in NYC
When the Raptors entered the league there were so few Canadian NBA players of note; they could've negotiated territorial draft rights for Canadians like the Montreal Canadians did with Quebecois in their heyday.
I think an all Canadian team would be the 2nd or 3rd seed in either conference.
Tibs: Hi im here to coach for you but you must sign my adoptive son as well
Taj: *waves*
Wow, youtube before the pod release? Turn the TikTok camera on, Kyle!
It was released on the ringer nba show, not the big boy pod
@@IVoldiIAh, thanks. I used to listen to that hoping to find at least one of the days that was worth it, but unsubscribed. I remember not liking Wos, Logan, or Raja.
Im so happy the Raptors finally decided to blow it up so to speak, just wish Masai would have done this 2 years ago, but still a good sign as a Raps fan, we got our prospect (Scottie) and RJ ( home grown ). Now all they need to do is UNLOCK Scottie, and bulid, and we can have a squad by 2026-27. Move in the right way, lets go!!!!!!! as a Raps fan!!!
Facts.... Scotties ceiling is healthy grant hill and his floor is Shawn marion. He's my favorite young player
Better late than never
Based solely on this trade I'm giving Masai a pass. Scottie was a curveball, the team was trending towards handing off the post-Lowry era to FVV and Skills. Then Scottie happened. Nurse tried to force the FVV thing. But with this trade things this season are making sense.. Darko giving minutes to the rotation to see what sticks, Flynn is important to this trade happening. McDaniels is getting his minutes boosted lately, he may be tossed into a Skills trade. I'm just happy to know the front office has had somewhat of a plan.
@@ComboBreakerHDStop running to trade Pascal. You all don't realize that Pascal is important to Scottie's growth on & off the court.
Tyus Jones would be the perfect back up point guard for this year, he is also on an expiring contact which is a huge positive when comparing to a guy like Clarkson or to a lesser degree TJ.
Expiring contract means you have to pay them though
You would think by now they would know Bobby Webster is the gm Masai is President.
Lol Bobby gets the coffee
This was great, fellas.
I saw Chet comming. He's a perfect modern day big man.
I saw him coming before you did
@@sparksdrinker5650 I don't know I've been watching since he crossed up Steph in his 10th grade year
What a pleasant surprise video content!
Their reactions at 20:12 priceless
OG Anunoby is the Santa of the trade season.
I’ve never seen him play but he seems to always exist during trade rumours.
Casual
As a warriors fan, at this point with the way Kuminga and Wiggins have looked I would totally be down for a Wiggins for Siakam trade. I feel like Wiggins needs a change of scenery, and the raptors fans would probably LOVE having a native Canadian on the team. And the warriors would move off Wiggins contract which would probably help us be able to extend Kuminga and re-sign Pascal
Honestly. I think it's coming. Something has to give with the way the warriors are playing. They've been in every game but just seem to lose.
@@isaactaylor6236 agreed. I mean, we've lead the league in games that have gone down to the clutch. We've played a very difficult schedule, and we haven't exactly been whole most of the year. So I think we're gonna switch things up. Cause imo, we wouldn't let the idea of Wiggins being available get out for no reason.
@greyklopstock7155 how do you feel about klay. I love klay and don't ever want him to leave but you never know
@@isaactaylor6236 I think Klay is necessary just because of how reliable he's been in the playoffs for the overwhelming majority of his career. like, we all know who game 6 Klay is for a reason. He can be a quality spot up shooter with insane, cataclysm-level upside if he gets hot.
@@greyklopstock7155 same. I think the threat of klay is always there. Now draymond. You can make cases for either way
Bill is right about OKC. The Thunder have all the flexibility to get another big that can back Chet up and possibly play with him.
What about Markkenen? Did he get traded and I missed it? They even brought up Utah and didn't mention him.
Those three first round picks they were offered for OG were going to be in the 20s. They weren’t unprotected or picks from lottery teams.
Who's the serial killer on the right
its the same problem with OG, he's probably not worth 40m, and likely a 4th or 5th option on a contender... but unlike quickley he's a known commodity since he's been the 3rd option for years
Like the theory that looking for distressed assets might be beating the market, not stacking picks Thunder style. Don't necessarily agree but it's interesting, there's so much talent in the league these days there's more guys who could POP if given the opportunity
It's a nifty little theory but how many "distressed assets" have actually panned out in the past 10 years? By that let's set the definition to a player drafted in the top 10, then the team that drafted them gave up on them inside the first 4 years, before their first RFA contract.
@@75aces97 I think the Knicks won the trade, don't get me wrong. One early second rounder and two "distressed assets" for OG? Big win. Do think that you'd have to widen that definition though to, say, top 20 picks.
@@leonardschneider2797 I suppose I bring it up since the Knicks are one of the best examples of a franchise that tried the reclamation project route during the doldrum years. They tried cobbling starting lineups out of Brandon Jennings, Trey Burke, Mario Hezonja, Emanuel Mudiay, Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Julius Randle, and Dennis Smith. They cost almost nothing and were worth almost that much.
More recently Detroit has tried this experiment on Smith (that guy again?😫), Knox, Wiseman, and so far it’s worked out as well as you’d expect.
I don’t consider this trade an example of distressed assets. OG Anybody is a pretty good player that several teams wanted, so NYK had to give up something of value for him.
Canada = Breathing sighs of relief. Thank God he's not on the IR for half another year. Welcome home RJ!
Was thinking same about Thibs and Precious. Prolly thinking hes got his Taj Gibson 2.0
Can Bill admit he was wrong about Gobert trade? It was great. It propelled Minnesota to the best team in the league. They traded a few non-starter guys who no one wants. And the 4 picks will be end of first round and of middling value because the Wolves will be top of the league thanks to Gobert. Amazing trade.
by the Numbers, OG is similar to IQ on offense... only Bigger, more physical and defensively more versatile... the Quickly Motor in a Larger frame.
Love this epi
Bill taking a victory lap on the thunder is hilarious. Everyone had them as a top 4 seed. I’ve been saying since the summer they’d win 52 games. I don’t think it’s a surprise they’re this good
NOBODY had them top 4, flat out lie.
I don’t understand this deal for Toronto. They are saying with this trade that they think they can win. This takes them from like the 10th seed to the 8th seed. No way you can trade Siakam for just picks now.
curious what knicks fan would have thought of adding poeltl and robinson into this trade and removing the detroit pick, so OG and poeltl for guigley, robinson and RJ?
3 late 1sts or a potential young star in IQ, a good young player under contract in RJ, and pretty much a late 1st round pick. As a Raps fan id much rather this package we got
Precious is an enigma. Looks great one game and barely an nba player next 3. OG good player but energy draining with guys like Barnes on the court. Time has come for a change. Toronto is way more up tempo with Quickly and Barnes. RJ will be better than in NY. He’s excited to be back home and the development team will work with him.
BILL IS COOKING, I forgot Mitchell was looking to leave the Cavs and he would for sure resign with the knicks
Good ep good timing
Raptors threw a mercy game to Pistons by making the trade at the time they played them. They should send them a care package.
Barrett has been banged up a bit, but has played great for the Raptors.
It is actually quite easy to predict RJ's future. He comfortably has been the worst shooting full-time starter in the NBA since he's been in the league.
And, no, this is not disappointing. OG is a huge upgrade over RJ.
As a LOONG suffering Knicks fan gonna really miss Quickly think he has the potential to be really good.
This is elite podcasting
Without looking at salaries, a deal centered on Wiggins-Siakim makes sense. Lets the old-guard in GS possibly go out together, gets a another playable Canadian in Toronto.
Why would the Raptors want Wiggins for Siakam?
@@SkippaMcHavn Centered on Wiggins-Siakam, mostly for salary reasons. Moody, Kuminga and/or picks would have to be involved.
@@jonpaulevans31 none of the players with the exception of Moody would compliment Scottie's game and that isn't enough
The 3rd best player on the raptors who weren't very good (OG) is getting falsely touted as a star
Absolutely and all the frustration from knicks fans about RJ is exactly the same raps felt about og on the offensive end. Can defend but can't take 2 dribbles without putting it off his foot
@@wiltthestilt2468LOL not even close to accurate. OG doesnt need the ball to be effective.
all i can say is that I hope nyc fans arent too hard on precious cuz the way ive seen them talk about him, he is gonna be a biig disappointment
Correct. He has butterfingers tryna catch the ball on a pick and roll rim run. He’s not well coordinated
Hes been great for NY. Just wasnt motivated in Toronto
Recency bias is insane, nothing we've seen over the past 4yrs matters cuz Colby White balled out from October-December 31 2023. It's pointless to discuss Colby White vs RJ Barrett; White was just a free agent..the other 29 teams all said nope pass. The RJ disrespect is out here in a major way
Do we really need an hour on og????
I thought Cavs were gonna be involved, actually relieved, room for Luke Travers to be our 2way point forward 3&D wing connector type of superglue star role player. Lol, hopefully by next season he’s called up from NBL. So, for no reason but this, Luke Travers and the Cavs kinda win. I figured Mitchell would’ve gotten RJ to Toronto and OG to us. Cavs should reinvest in the youth movement, let Mitchell stay or walk, let the vibes ride.
Rob "I hate Canada" Mahoney strikes again. Hope you and your loved ones have good health insurance down there buddy
Barrett makes the best layup in the NBA
Holyshit can't believe I have never really seen theses dudes besides Bill some handsome fellas over at the Ringer lmao
If you were to make a draft of the Top 3 picks from the last 7 drafts, most NBA fans wouldn't take RJ in the top 15. Looking at RJ, it's easy to see that he hit his ceiling at Duke. I liked RJ as a Knick, but let's be honest, the number 3 pick is supposed to be a cornerstone. If it wasn't for free agent signings (Brunson, Randle, and Donte), this franchise would be constantly in the lottery with RJ.
The cavaliers aren’t accepting grimes Fournier and some protected picks for Mitchell. That makes no sense
Lose him for nothing 😂
@@trustoryj6476 he’s under contract for next year too. Literally 0 reason to trade him for a garbage New York package. They can enjoy Dejounte Murray’s services for that
There is no need to package all your picks anymore. This new NBA has proved it is not worth it. This trade was perfect for the Knicks. Love the conversation and i think Precious Achuwa definitely makes sense.
The Knicks will now have to pay a defensive stopper a max or close to max contract. OG will not extend, opt out, and become a UFA at the end of the season. The Knicks have no leverage. They'll have to give OG a massive contract. OG is a good player, but his next contract is the problem.
He's CAA so I presumed they would have basically agreed a number that the Knicks and OG is happy with before committing. Be interesting to see what this is too.
OG told prospective agents that he’d take less to sign with the Knicks and his agent is the Knicks president’s son. They’re gonna get a bargain.
Bill doesn’t know that OG is an elite defender and didn’t give Quickley enough love as a defender and scorer 😂
only raps make trade b4 pistons game to end streak
This was an absolute smash home run for the Raptors to proportions none of you combined could begin to fathom. 👊
If the warriors land Jarrett Allen I’d be so happy
Achuiwa was a good pickup for the knicks too.
He’s better than sims and taj, so it was definitely a good pickup.
Use Fournier and picks for Mikal Bridges!!! Full Nova reunion! Contracts work, maybe add Grimes/McBride if necessary
Adding Bridges to this team would push the Knicks into a scary territory.
They’d get laughed out of the room for suggesting that. They’re not getting Bridges.
Would lil bro trade to big bro, I doubt it, and for so little
Sixers do not need a 15 ppg OG for 40 mil next year.
D Murray coming to the Knicks next!
to the raptors for capela murray, bogdinavic for siakam, porter, trent jr and dick
@@chadwellington2524 Murray is already 27… you think him and Barnes is winning a ring the next 3 years🤣 Without Siakam. Stfu
I don't think Jarrett Allen to OKC makes sense. Chet is awesome at the five.
If a team needs a Jarrett Allen it is the Spurs. The recent games show a low post defender is a higher priority for them that a point guard.
Quickly is the next Maxie
The player in college together and train together so makes sense you would say that
No hes not quick can give u 20 then 5 next game
Agree w/ Bill the Knicks couldn't pay Quickly so traded him now, agree w/ Rob that Quickly getting a bigger role is a great thing & i agree w/ Justin that Quickly is absolutely a microwave player like Jamal & Lou-Will. But Mahoney said it, Quickly is young enough to have a shot at becoming more than that. Don't kno why RJ gets the blame for not being a great shooter when no one on the Knicks can shoot except Brunson? RJ is still getting better as a non-Knicks fan w/ zero east coast bias RJ isn't the all-star people labeled him as but he's far better than the media portrays him to be. You guys talk like at age 22 dropping 19-4-3 isn't impressive or as if he gets w/ an offensive coach he won't improve, lets put a bit more respect on Barrett's name
Thank you
You guys are not understanding that RJ’s lil 19 points are heavily forced, he’ll take 22 shots just to make 7 of those and hardly dishes out the rock and is not that much of a good defender. His plus/minus numbers are terrible as well. Don’t let his 19ppg fool you
Donte Divicenzo shoots 80% from 3
@@ytkenny5 Never when it counts, especially in the postseason &a Brunson DiVincenzo backcourt has zero chance of making any real noise
@@ytkenny5 Guy averages 10pts &hasn't even started half the games this season. Randle, OG &the Nova-Trio isn't special &they lost depth
10-2 since the trade for the Knicks. OG solidly 2nd in defensive player of the year.
As a raptors fan, Thibs will still play Taj over him lmao. Precious’ lows are higher than his highs
His lows were cuz he wasnt motivated on losing Raptors. Hes been consistent in NY