Is Istighatha Worship? | Shamsi vs Barelvi | Speakers Corner
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Ask him to explain what is tawheed and what is shirk in detail, because he seems very confused about these fundamental things
Who?
@@MrFaizaanshaikmodeenbarelvi man
@@sonofadam99shamsi is confused about tawheed lol
@@hassanturi518 No, you are.
So many Muslims are, the ones that grew up as Muslims with parents that aren’t/weren’t upon tawheed
The reason why some say Haram and not shirk is very Sneaky!! By calling it Haram it implies there’s room for difference of opinion.
Shirk sets a thick red line no one can transgress.
Alhamdulillah for the sunnah
This is not correct there are things that are haraam and have no room for difference of opinion like-
Not Fasting in ramzan, not doing hajj after having capability,killing someone unjustly,zina,drinking alcohol
@@subhankhan7514You'd be surprised the amount of ppl who are starting to say weed is not Haram, or that music is not Haram
@@Hikmah1995the music one isn’t new it’s been around throughout Islamic history there’s always been a difference of opinion
@@subhankhan7514 I agree, but there are also lots of things that are Haram that are differed upon
But you can’t differ on shirk
@@MikeSage1 The consensus of the scholars of Ahl Sunnah is that music is Haram. It's the speach of shaytan.
These fan boys of asrar Rashid clueless.
i dont even understand how anyone can actually argue istighatha to people or idols isnt shirk lol.
That is the reason we learn the books of Aqeedah alhamdulillah, qawaid Al arba , usool us thalasa and others
Alhamdulillah for the dawah salafiyya
MAn come dressed like an Imam and got RInsed !!! Haqq always destroys the Falshood !!!
What is dressing like an Imam?
@@AbdallahEsa go figure it out
Why ppl want to make excise to do shirk.
He's basically asking how is shirk shirk.
This is just showing ur jahiliya in this topic, u clearly haven’t studied it so why make comments ?
That guy used all the argument of asrar Rashid
When truth was revealed to him falsehood left
I live in Pakistan.. barelvi is the biggest dirt we have here
I am an Albanian from Kosovo, we have esharit Maatureediyyah These were deviant followers of bida
Imagine the intellect of someone equating 'asking a neighbor for some sugar' with 'asking a deceased wali buried 6000km away for relief from a disaster'
"but in both cases you are asking for help! 😭"
Subbanallah 💀💀💀
Very dishonest equivalence
one has passed, one is alive…
What an insincere individual wallahi... At precisely 38:45 he suddenly became deaf and realised he needs to go back to Sh. Asrar for further misinformation.. 😅
He’s 16 brother have some shame.
@EA-hz9mg yes 16... a teenager not a child....and he was well aware of what he was getting himself involved with when he asked the question in the park publicly infront of everyone and all the cameras... he just wasn't prepared for rebuttal and got exposed for his shirky beliefs
Alhamdulillah for Tawheed and Sunnah.
Why some people want to do shirk although we have the Book and the truth
Emotional and arrogance
I think this ignorant person should remain silent for his own good. Allot of people aid to their own destruction subhanallah
a 7yrs old kid can tell u that what u saying is shirk.,
Yeah ture lol😂 seen it my self with family members😂
These sufis will go to any lengths to justify seeking help from dead saints and justify shirk with doubts
Jazaakallahu khayraa
In the subcontinent barelvi do a lot of shirk I was also a barelvi
So was I, long time ago
I am Egyprian. Can you please explain who are these people i am confused
Если у тебя нет знаний, зачем ты споришь? Аузубиллях. Выставляет себя посмешищем.
Why are the asharis fighting to keep doing something by saying oh it’s not shirk it’s just a sin.. like how’s that even make sense 🤣
They don’t even say it’s a sin they say it’s mustahhab
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslimu can believe it’s haram some scholars have said this.
no discussing needed if the brother studied usool al thalatha
Tbh I love usool Al thalata but that book is no where compared to kashfulshubuhaat in refuting thé mushrikeens doubts. Miaw rA brings crazy arguments to destroy there shirk and shuboohat rahimahuAllah
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim akhi usool al thalatha explains isti'aanah, istighata
@@Kazim058 I understand but not in detail..it’s just general. Here listen to the book kashfulshubuhaat being recited beautifully by a Chinese student in Madina…ull understand what I’m saying after listening to this whole book and take notes it’s in Arabic tho.
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim akhi i know kashf ash shubuhaat. I have it
@@Kazim058 you really believe usool Al thalata is a better book akh in refutation to callers to shirk and there doubts???
قال الله تعالى : ( فَإِذَا رَكِبُواْ فِى ٱلْفُلْكِ دَعَوُاْ ٱللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ ٱلدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّىٰهُمْ إِلَى ٱلْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ )
قال تعالى ان المشركين عندما يكونون في البحر و تهيج بهم الامواج و يكونون في وقت شدة و خوف من الموت انهم يدعون الله وحده و الدليل قوله تعالى : ( وَجَاءَهُمُ الْمَوْجُ مِن كُلِّ مَكَانٍ وَظَنُّوا أَنَّهُمْ أُحِيطَ بِهِمْ ۙ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ لَئِنْ أَنجَيْتَنَا مِنْ هَٰذِهِ لَنَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الشَّاكِرِينَ﴾ )
و المعلوم ان الدعاء وقت الشدة يسمى استغاثة ، فأثبت الله تعالى ان الدعاء وقت الشدة يكون لله خالص اي له وحده دون إشراك احد معه سبحانه ، و لكن حين ينجيهم إلى البر قال تعالى انهم يشركون في الدعاء.
يعني اذا اثبت الله لهم الإخلاص في الدعاء وقت الشدة ( الاستغاثة ) ثم ان هذا الدعاء يكون شركا ايضا فدل انها عبادة
It amazes me to see how it’s mentioned in Quran to don’t go near Zina while it being major sin and on other hand shirk which is like the biggest sin , people want to hurdle around it. Why you want to ask anyone who is not alive to help you out other than directly asking for Allah. it’s not hard to understand.
منهج السلف الصالح هو منهج الحق وشمسي اسد السنة في ركن سبيكر
These graveworshipping Jahmiyyah have 0 proof from Quran and Sunnah
Baarakallahu feek brother Shamsi for striving against corruption that has appeared in the beliefs of the people.
{ أَتَدۡعُونَ بَعۡلࣰا وَتَذَرُونَ أَحۡسَنَ ٱلۡخَـٰلِقِینَ }
[سُورَةُ الصَّافَّاتِ: ١٢٥]
For 40 minutes the only evidence this misguided brother brought was Suyuti. He then had the audacity to say that you never bring Quran and Sunnah. Ajib wallah. Allahul Musta3an.
I can bring u 100 scholars who says it’s permitted.. 🤣🤣
@@EA-hz9mg please there are scholars that permit mortgages knowing they have riba, who permit celebrating christmas and other pagan holidays, who say a boy and a girl can be friends and so on and so forth respectfully thats not a valid argument.
@@sahrahras anything who says it’s permissible to celebrate Christmas has committed kufr.. by ur logic don’t take from any scholar as some have done wrong in the past. 💀💀
@@sahrahras I was referring to 100 classical scholars who would never say such a thing.
@@sahrahras I was referring to 100 classical scholars who would never say such a thing.
least confused barelvi
3:50 والله العظيم انه يكابر والدليل انه عند سؤال شمسي له كيف كانوا المشركين يعبدون الأصنام من دون الله؟ تهرب من الإجابه لأن الإجابه هي الاستغاثة 😅
على شمسي ان لا يضيع وقته مع هؤلاء الحثالة المرضى نفسياً
A Sufi, a Hanafi Maturidi, a crazy old man screaming, what a day.
Discuss with an actual scholar or someone with knowledge instead of a 16 year old kid
sufi shi’a same
Shias go around disrespecting sahabas and aisha ra Sufis don't do that you're ignorant
The way he smiles after making a dumb point says alot about him , he has come with an agenda not for the Truth
haqq
Is it just me who can see arrogance, ego , annoyance , angriness in the face of the so claimed barelvi person
That is the reason we learn the books of Aqeedah alhamdulillah, qawaid Al arba , usool us thalasa and others
Alhamdulillah for the dawah salafiyya
Clearly the definition of 'ibaadah is unclear or unknown to this brother. الله المستعان
Subhan Allah. Alhamdulillah. La ilaha illa Allah. Allahu akbar. Astaghfir Allah.
This just proves how clueless these brelwis are
Its sad that even when the truth is apparent they wont believe it due to being stubborn. I wish the best for you my bro, if you read this, i am not trying to mock at all. We all need guidance at the end of the day. We are all here to learn. When the arrows point towards the haqq you have no choice but to accept it.
Alhamdulillah for Allah guiding us to The Pure Tawheed of the Prophets Messengers and Sahaba.
He’s just a kid. Have patience with him
لا ليس طفل.... هو متعلم و دارس وكان يععتقد انه سيناقش شمسي
لكن باذن الله القسوه ستجعله يراجع حساباته
هذه صفعه ستجعله يصحو من السكره
ياصاحب القناة نرجو منك الترجمه العربية ❤
من اي بلد انت؟ والله تعلم اللغة. شمسي يتكلم بأسهل مسطلحات. اذا تتعلم شيء قلبل من الاجلينزية تفهم كل شيء
الترجمه مرهقه جدا جدا
الله يعين اصحاب القناة
the ayat in Sarah muminun destory these mushriks. verse 84 - 89
You call upon the saints, but the saints dont hear !
If the dead don't hear why do we say Salam ya ahlul qubur when entering grave yard
@@slimshady7625 grave digger
@@Alex-n3o7e very intellectual answer hmm
Those who justify this shirk use the lamest of arguments which makes me lose my
mind
jazakallahu khayran wa barakallahu feekum
The problem is they keep on using there intellect over the text and this is not the way of the sahaba ra who followed the prophet sallahu alayhi wasalam.
Who follow the Imam shafi'e don't do Istighatha he is lying he is Barelvi
He’s a maturidi shafiii quboori
Shafi’i in fiqh
@@PrayformetobeagoodmuslimI’m Hanafi Maturidi and till this never met a Maturidi who worships graves 😂 man you wobblers really are brainwashed by these knowledgeless daees 😂
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslimhe’s actually Hanafi he lied in this encounter
People have too much arrogance to ask Allah alone.
Quran Surah Ghafir : your lord said call upon ME, I will respond to you, those who have arrogance in
worshipping me, we will drive them into hell humiliated.
* Barelwis deny the end of Prophethood* Ahmad Raza Barelvi Kamina. He says, "After the beginning of the Prophethood, we will follow Abdul Qadir". Al-Ayaz Ballah (hadaeq,Part II, p. 101, Radif Al-Ain
One thing I dislike about those who promote Istighatha is that they keep talking about scholars who have said it’s permissible. That’s not evidence in of itself. The most basic understanding of tawheed should make u question Istighatha
Do u understand the deen better than ppl who have studied and dedicated their life to it. The scholars don’t just say it without proof. 😂
@@EA-hz9mgyes so instead of saying the scholar said it then show what proof he used. Otherwise the scholars statement itself isn’t a proof. No scholar is infallible that we just accept what they say when there are proofs opposing what they said.
Exactly
@@one23four68and even the scholars themselves warn the laymen to not blindly accept anything the scholar has said if it goes against Quran and sunnah. They are humble individuals.
@@timmmyterner9340you need scholars or pod of knowledge to understand Quran and sunnah. Therefore scholars are vital
read Quran, follow Hadith and use your mind. and other than prophet and Quran whoever say something about Islam ask him what's your evidence
Even even even EVEN if the prophets alayhum alsalam are physically really alive somehow in their graves as in the physical world, how would they still hear you all around the world? When did they gain this superpower to somehow hear people from all over the globe? Audhubillah from Bid’ah wa alhamdulillah for Islam.
By Allah it’s heartbreaking and builds anger in me when I see the effects of so called scholars who call to shirk and bidah, on these young minds. They are destroying people with the worst of destructions. May Allah destroy their plans or them as a whole.
And we have people nowadays saying we don’t need to go through books of tawhid we know it. If everyone knows it then this individual wouldn’t be justifying his kufr.
Its crazy how these people of bida’ah are bought up and nurtured upon memorising how to argue against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. You can hear the staunchness in his approach. May Allaah protect us
Simple question to everyone here. Is Istigatha asking for help from other than Allah?
50 seconds in and this random guy is butting in, asking about logic? Where are the proper etiquettes of engagement and conversation
Brevi are misguided
Mushrikeen
Love you Brother Shamsi ❤️. I will meet you one day In Sha Allah .
Just ask them which one is better.... and when they say Allah tell them why not do that then. I don't understand why they feel the need to die on this hill.
May Allah guide this brother. Ameen
So if I tell my parents to pray for me if i am sick to Allah swt, is this shirk
The guy is only hearing Shamsi, he wasn't listening
Grave worshipper vs Taghut worshipper. Brothers in shirk.
Asking a desabled person for help is shirk......
Jazakallahu khair
Jazakallahu khairan ustadh Shamsi
just stick to the clear Quran and Hadith
Shocking
You can clearly see that most of the people in the comment section havent studied this topic
Why don't u debate a barelvi scholar instead of debating a laymen
They already gor debaeted and ended
Masha allah tawheed and sunnah
maa shaa’ Allah Shamsi cooked this guy
Athari = samiri
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Let Allah be enough ❤
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12:15 This one was a finisher !
And why have u named labled it 'brelvi' he never said he was , hes a sunni
Because they think anyone who believes in intercession is a Sufi by default 😂
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Free Palestine now
make dua instead of comments
Go and free it
Make sure you free yourself from Shaytaan first.
@@achrafelkhanjari9157 excuse me, sir?
@@bonk2065 But then how will I get clout?
The title is wrong it should be zionist vs barelvi
Hahaha truth hurts
@@superhalit123prove his a zionist, I'm waiting....
24:15 bad language
Ok you wobbler
Fixed debate. Debating his own once again
😂 what are you on about?
Butt hurt ikhwani mushrik defender
😂😂 so the questions he is asking are also biased?
People want the haqq unfiltered and not sugar coated 😂
Why don't you go?
Brother understood everything but is just in Denial because of the sect he has been raised with unfortunately. 😢
What kind of Muslim his that ?