I would laugh so hard if Michael Andretti stepping down and this revised proposal was a play to get the team approved, and once they get greenlit they would simply sign him back on as team principal and change the name of the team to Andretti GP or whatever.
I think the other teams all have to agree to a name change for any team... ? if so that would not work. as for michael being a true Team Principal, maybe...? I see him more as a zak brown role with an "Andrea Stella" in Pat Symonds as a Team Principal... Michael , for all he has accomplished, has literally 0 experience as an F1 team principle... why would any New F1 team looking to make a respectable impact on the sport sooner than later take that risk.?
As he should be.! Cant wait to see the pick of him walking into the paddock for the first race of 2026 with two middle fingers raised and a big smile on his face!
Andretti’s biggest adversary was Greg Maffei, who said as long as he was CEO of liberty, Andretti wood would never get a spot. So it’s no coincidence that since he recently “stepped down”, this has been reignited.
@@fleursbruyantes4177Maffei reportedly told Mario Andretti, Michael’s father, that under his watch, Michael would never be on the grid. Michael being “weak” as you say has nothing to do with it.
@@TXnine7nine Sauber and any uncompetitive teams on the F1 grid gets the grandfather rule. It basically means that their spot is safe as long as they want it since they invested in F1 years ago.
most likely was beacause andretti made a big fuss with the arab part of liberty, and is not well liked in the grid, this was definitly personal, but to be fair the biggest logistic reason was renault trashing their engine department, and mercedes and ferrari denying andretti (clearly because of past feud) so they would not have a engine deal, by that time honda wasnt on the grid back yet and redbull is not obligated to have costumer deals so they might have ended in a situation with no engine suplier or with a super bad deal with ferrari.
Not running a Renault engine they aren't, and maybe they already knew/strongly suspected that Renault was going to pull out of F1, there were many strong rumours to that effect.
Yeah and there are 5 other customer teams who aren’t fighting for the title. You can’t use a legendary historic team like McLaren as a baseline. Andretti doesn’t have McLarens history and experience.
So it was Liberty Media, basically having a personal vendetta against Andretti? That's what it sounds like to me. It doesn't sound like there had any other problems with the entry besides potentially GM going full works
@@robertreinecker9007 You guys don’t realise that Stroll makes Alonso look incredibly good. Alonso is washed, never been a fan of his after he left Renault.
Andretti is obviously not wanted by F1. When he leaves, they suddenly accept their entrance, and the humiliating Audi soap drama goes on? Yes, when I see the car on the grid, I will believe it.
Yea, and after Michael backed out and Liberty Media’s CEO Greg Maffei stepping down end 2025, suddenly F1 is playing nice with Cadillac/Team Andretti. GM is more serious about entering F1 than Audi or Renault.
Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering. And using the Andretti team to consolidate this. And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single screw or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team, or car manufacturer has that kind of expertise.
@@captain_context9991F1 is corporate marketing. That’s literally why HAAS is even on the grid he thought they could just buy everything from Ferrari and just show up every weekend and promote his brand. Every team has to develop things in house so your argument of them rebadging things doesn’t make sense.
Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Using Andrettis racing heritage to consolidate this. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering. And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, Ferrari, Mclaren, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single nut or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team has that kind of expertise.
F1 clearly doesn't want Andretti. He steps down, they're suddenly okay with their entry, while the embarrassing Audi soap opera continues on? Yeah - I'll believe it when I see that car on the grid.
@@briankieryczuk8307 Yeah, that's a point as well. Not exactly the USA or sthg. I have a feeling that this might be the start of a series, possibly to pick up sales for disappointing events.
I don’t know how they’re excuse of “no one has heard of this name” works when you have teams like HAAS and Kick Sauber which is nonexistent to the public outside of F1
F1 can't be serious to say that they're denying a new team entry because they "wouldn't be competitive" when they have Sauber on the grid with 0 points with 3 races left in the season. 🤣
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Don’t forget, they are turning into Audi which will hopefully give them the backing to do well.
This is Saubers worst season. And there’s nothing wrong with stopping more teams like Sauber from joining. They can’t kick out existing teams, they only have the option of stopping new teams from entering
@@marzgrab Hence Honda. Honda will supply a PU for 2026, 2027 while Cadillac PU gets developed for the 2028 season. However, it will be branded Cadillac from the get go. GM was originally going to brand the Renault unit for 2 years as well before they decided to leave F1.
Maffei tells Mario Andretti recently that he "will do everything in his power" to stop Michael from entering F1. 1. Maffei has been fired and has no power now (and no one volunteers to moves on from a powerful and lucrative position without a better gig, which Maffei does not have.) 2. Why would Maffei have said such a thing? What made Maffei so furious at America's famous racing family? Andretti's confrontational/abrasive approach? No, I think that just gets an emphatic "NO". Recall that the United States senate moved to launch a DOJ investigation into F1 anti-competitive tactics. This investigation could have resulted in the government looking at Liberty Media much more closely, including financials and tax issues. Now, if Liberty very much want to avoid such scrutiny Maffei's harsh rejection and words to Mario can be seen as a serious blunder.
I imagine redbull are likely to drop tsunoda after 2025 and Aston will be locked up with stroll, so I could see tsunoda taking one of the Andretti seats for 26 and 27 if Honda ends up supplying them
What stops GM from selling their shares back to Andretti and the team from renaming itself to "Michael Andretti's Personal Hobby Project" after they're approved and become part of Concorde Agreement? Silly requirement.
Honestly I hope that happens. Fuck F1 for trying to stifle competition. Teams are worried about lesser payouts with more competition? Make faster cars.
F1 has needed a new team on the grid for some years now but I think it’s taken so long because the teams hold too much voice on the sport and use f1 reps as a puppet to voice what they really want
I think the house of cards began to shake a bit with the problems at VAG and Audi now looking to soon sell a 50% stake in the team already and Renault shuttering their engine program (could the team be next should things not improve?) F1 now sees the added stability of having an eleventh team should one of the existing outfits go belly up as global recession and conflict fears continue to worsen and corporate accountants chop what isn't in the core business model.
Ya it's the greedy team-owners who are currently being paid the prize money for 12 teams, with the current ten. They see the money for the other two teams as theirs.
@64ElMariachi the way he went around publically they took as "musling " his way into f1. Egos in these huge corporations is huge and sadly humans are jealous greedy ego fueled liars mostly.
He's carried a very visible chip on his shoulder ever since he didn't do well in F1, and insists McLaren sabotaged him to make him look bad and get Hakkinen into the car. There's enough of a circus around F1 without adding an even bigger clown.
So we're entering another era of manufacturers, merc, ferrari, mclaren, red bull and RB (with help from ford), haas (with help from Toyota), audi, GM, aston martin (with honda) and alpine possibly...
@@thatbritishguitarist9254since F1 is profitable there’s no reason to sell. Literally pays them money to advertise themselves. Cutting off the engine department is cost saving.
Cadillac's drivers: Bottas and Drugovich - Bottas has experience - Drugo raced for Cadillac in 24 hrs of Le Mans and Daytona - Herta doesn't have superlicence points
Forgot one important point: a new Concorde Agreement will be put in place between now and their entry, with the entry fee tripled or more to at least 600 million USD. That, along with liberty CEO leaving, is the key.
To be honest, that failed spectacularly. 2010 was a good season, but the new teams were not even close to be competitive. I understand F1 not wanting another HRT or Virgin.
F1: We reject your bid? Andretti: why? F1: bring us a manufacturer and we will talk Andretti: say hello to General Motors. F1: 😳 oh shit, he actually did it. Umm, oh yeah, We will gladly take GM, but in 2028 Andretti: but you said... F1: we just dont like you, but your friend GM is welcome. Also you will provide no value Andretti: I will be stepping away from project lead. F1: come on in... how does 2026 sound? No engine? Details. We will sort it out. F1 is so morally bankrupt it is pathetic.
If you observe carefully, f1 in recent years is trying to bring in brands that also have road vehicles. If they don't, they get rejected. So bringing under gm name makes sense.
That was their initial plan, but as you said, top management is lacking both in vision and smarts. These idiots don't even know how to manage their Alpine brand on the commercial side of things (EB110 looks great, but A290 doesn't belong in), and it's a testament to how good they are that their F1 project is now faring worse with a CEO allegedly in favour of it, in contrast to Carlos Ghosn' era one, who definitely wasn't.
@@5340robert What irks me (as a McLaren fan) who has a soft spot for Renault, is it doesn't market very well when you a car and engine manufacturer in and out of M/Sport can't build a good engine and have to get one from somewhere else.
The other teams who were resisting may have shot themselves in the foot. They are still bound by the rules limiting CD and wind tunnel testing. Since Andretti is not an "official" entry, they can do all the cd and wind tunnel testing they want. Andretti may not be as far behind as others are suggesting when they hit the grid.
I feel that they still lack the experience the current teams have though, so it’s quite difficult to hit the ground running but if they pull it off, it would be a sight to see
I looked at the teams that were in favour of Michael Andretti's bold initiative to enter F1 and who were against. Only McLaren and Alpine were for Andretti being in F1 and I find myself asking whether the others have no vision and additionally lack the courage to see F1 itself grow. For them it's better the ( devil ) ten you know than the eleven with an element of the unknown. I'm glad things are about to change but I lament that the name of Andretti may not be as prominent. A sad reflection of the absence as I said of courage to take F1 to another higher level and the presence of not a little envy too perhaps. Given that Michael Andretti has driven the project this far it would have been fitting that his name does not fade away as the project becomes a reality and grows with the passage of time.
The F1 media are running dead about this. Maffei gone as boss of Liberty, Domenicali gone as Foma boss, head of legal from FOMA who headed up FOMA reply to F1 and Andretti) gone. USA DoJ has talks with certain team principles regarding breaches of Sherman act. Now those principles are quiet, bosses at FOMA et al gone, Micheal still own team but steps aside from 'day to day' running team. Andretti on grid in 2026. Stop saying this is all about Micheal - its 100% about Liberty and DoJ legal pressure, but you wont say that out loud cause you suckle at their teat.
Way to finesse his way into F1!!! Gotta love Michael Andretti's determination! An American driver is a MUST. TBH, this is a perfect opportunity to bring Danny Ric back onto the grid given his experience and popularity with the American fans. Then partner him with Herta. Great base.
@@captain_context9991 so ur telling me that f1 managment were fine a few years ago with the entry but then they deny it, after that andretti steps down and immediatly they accept them as a new team and that isnt personal? also I think theres worse teams than what andretti would be but ok
@@shadowduds @shadowduds All the other fluff is just public perception. Im trying to explain it in general terms. The fact is... GM / Cadillac does not have the technology or engineering skills to race F1. So they are trying to blag their way into F1 by using Andrettis international street cred and GMs money. But F1 is not taking the bait because they know that it would just be Cadillacs logo on somebody elses car. And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is about. So after a lot of back and forth, Andretti / Cadillac are viewed as grifters and hustlers and made themselves unpopular.
@@captain_context9991 "GM / Cadillac does not have the technology or engineering skills to race F1" they have done incredible advancements, they definetly have the technology, in the video they have already talked about wind tunnel testings, cockpit safety and they have gained so many plp from the F1 world already. Also I want to point out that Haas still doesnt have a simulator after 9 years in the sport, I would bet Haas is less technologically advanced than Andretti rn. And GM is the largest car manufacturer in america theres no way they dont have the technology.
@@shadowduds Yeah.... By setting up a proxy in England where 80% of F1 teams are. Where they can easily buy the manpower, engineering skills and technology. If you need further proof of this. Look at Cadillacs new LeMans team. Which is exactly 0% engineered by themselves. Haas is another America-LICENSED team. They have a headquarter in North Carolina, but all their tech is done in Banbury England and Maranello Italy. They got an engine from Ferrari, chassis from Italian Dallara, and bought their racing team from ex Jag and Red Bull employees.
This is actually very solid assumption with the news, I recently got hired as a summer software engineer intern for GM's motorsports division in north carolina. This is so sick!!!
"theres no market for an american run team with famous american racing teams and massive american car manufacturers" - - "hey, lets get as many races in USA as possible as its a huge market with massive growth potential"
If I were Andretti Global, I'd be signing up and promptly promoting Daniel Ricciardo. F1, and by extension, the fans absolutely love him and as we saw last year, there's clearly a push to have him on the grid. Having Ricciardo front and centre of an F1 entry push would guarantee commercial appeal and the experience of a proven race winner.
The real reasons >F1 lost a manufacturer(Renault) which is embarrassing considering the excuses they put out Pre-season. >The CEO who had the vendetta to block the new team is stepping down
@@paperplane-db8qfThat's the problem lol. They aren't a real American team and they kinda suck most of the time because they don't have the financial backing to spend nearly as much as the other teams. Andretti-Cadillac solves both of those issues.
The commercial angle, imo, should be flatout ignored when determining whether or not to admit a team. F1 is a _sport_ not a f*cking product to be sold.
Ridiculous. McLaren, Ferrari, Williams. All based around extremely strong personalities. I think the legal action has far more to do with this, and they need to pretend that there were actual reasons they rejected the bid
@@Theriotwright Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering. And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single screw or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team has that kind of expertise.
"Cadillac" is such a weird choice of brand, being known for large luxury sedans for the most part. I'd have thought Corvette or something would be a better GM brand for racing
They're been trying to turn it into an American BMW for close to 20 years now. They pushed out one manual rear wheel drive supersaloon after another. Plus Cadillac actually has a decent amount of racing history at Le Mans and IMSA.
@@dylansmit3883 In the WEC in general. And, it's relevant, because it shows GM's level of technology relative to the Europeans and the Japanese. GM is just nuts to think that they can compete in F1.
If you look at recent F1 history, privately/solo owned teams have been plagued with issues (Haas, Stroll, Williams...) resulting in commercials risks and controversy (Uralkali), contrary to the good old days....so commercial viability with GM backing is certainly plays a key role here...
Finaly some good news, hope they will get it there and if they don't enter under the name Andretti, they can eventualy change that after a couple of seasons if wanted. Anyway i cross fingers for them!
Seems like F1/Liberty is run along the lines of Mean Girls in high school. As if Horner or Wolff haven’t been brash or abrasive, so why should Andretti be excluded because he isn’t a cool kid. Hope Andretti comes back and throws it in their face.
Reminds me of that scene from Major League when the team finds out the owner is betting for them to come in dead last so she can move the team to Miami. Taylor says “well I guess there’s only one thing left to do then…win the whole f@cking thing.” LFG.
I genuinely think I’m going to stop watching formula 1. Im beyond sick of the inauthentic nature of everything. It’s 99% reality tv and 1% sport. Not to mention that they treat their fans horribly. The business side of the sport has evolved into this grotesque version of itself. This isn’t Motorsport. It’s lost ALL of what makes racing amazing.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Me too.
Exactly what was in my mind.
Same
I won't believe it until they complete an entire damn season 😂
Same
I would laugh so hard if Michael Andretti stepping down and this revised proposal was a play to get the team approved, and once they get greenlit they would simply sign him back on as team principal and change the name of the team to Andretti GP or whatever.
Yep. Everybody knows it.
I think the other teams all have to agree to a name change for any team... ? if so that would not work. as for michael being a true Team Principal, maybe...? I see him more as a zak brown role with an "Andrea Stella" in Pat Symonds as a Team Principal... Michael , for all he has accomplished, has literally 0 experience as an F1 team principle... why would any New F1 team looking to make a respectable impact on the sport sooner than later take that risk.?
@@RaptorV1USAsince when? They are entirely separate business units with entirely different ownership. Not like the FIA is an HOA
@@RaptorV1USAno they don’t
His Team Principal licence application would just get rejected...
Michael Andretti will be straight back into the helm at Andretti Racing once they get the green light ;)
Yep. Everybody knows it.
hope they dont get it
@@KingofClubsMCDLXXXVIII why?
I hope so, so that way it’s like a middle finger to F1 for rejecting the team just because of him
As he should be.! Cant wait to see the pick of him walking into the paddock for the first race of 2026 with two middle fingers raised and a big smile on his face!
Andretti’s biggest adversary was Greg Maffei, who said as long as he was CEO of liberty, Andretti wood would never get a spot. So it’s no coincidence that since he recently “stepped down”, this has been reignited.
And Michael Andretti stepped down as well. Seems like they just needed better people at the table.
@@fleursbruyantes4177Maffei reportedly told Mario Andretti, Michael’s father, that under his watch, Michael would never be on the grid. Michael being “weak” as you say has nothing to do with it.
So this is rock solid proof that the reasons laid out by F1 for Andretti not joining is complete BS!
Exactly. Citing "lack of competitiveness" while having Sauber sitting on 0 points with 3 races left is hilarious.
@@TXnine7ninekinda different situations
@@TXnine7nine Sauber and any uncompetitive teams on the F1 grid gets the grandfather rule. It basically means that their spot is safe as long as they want it since they invested in F1 years ago.
They’ll prove their uncompetitiveness soon enough.😂
most likely was beacause andretti made a big fuss with the arab part of liberty, and is not well liked in the grid, this was definitly personal, but to be fair the biggest logistic reason was renault trashing their engine department, and mercedes and ferrari denying andretti (clearly because of past feud) so they would not have a engine deal, by that time honda wasnt on the grid back yet and redbull is not obligated to have costumer deals so they might have ended in a situation with no engine suplier or with a super bad deal with ferrari.
What really hurt FOM's case was the claim a "customer team" could not be competitive, and guess who is top of the championship? A customer team
Not running a Renault engine they aren't, and maybe they already knew/strongly suspected that Renault was going to pull out of F1, there were many strong rumours to that effect.
FOM knew that Renault was discontinuing their engine supply, which made it clear that the Andretti claim to have a deal with Renault was a fabrication
Yeah and there are 5 other customer teams who aren’t fighting for the title.
You can’t use a legendary historic team like McLaren as a baseline. Andretti doesn’t have McLarens history and experience.
@@teenybopper777they only axed the Renault engines after Briatore got back in, which was way after the Andretti / Renault proposal
Red Bull was customer team until Honda decided to leave
So it was Liberty Media, basically having a personal vendetta against Andretti? That's what it sounds like to me. It doesn't sound like there had any other problems with the entry besides potentially GM going full works
Well, they are trying to hustle and sneak themselves into F1 using Andrettis street cred and GMs money. But F1 isnt playing along.
Yes. This was obvious from day one to anyone who follows Indycar/US racing news
Andretti must have given the FOM CEO's wife the gawk gawk 3000
Pathetic. I think Americans should boycott
If that's true, it's pathetic.
F1 desperately needs more teams. There are so many young talents being wasted because of lack of seats.
Aston Martin are wasting 2 seats alone. That’s 10% of all seats.
@f1milo177 stroll yes, the other is a rookie. Leave him alone, he knows what he is doing
@@f1milo177 are you saying Alonso doesn’t deserve a seat? He is better than half of the grid in my opinion. Stroll needs to go, I agree.
@@robertreinecker9007 You guys don’t realise that Stroll makes Alonso look incredibly good. Alonso is washed, never been a fan of his after he left Renault.
@ just because you aren’t a fan of him, means that he’s washed. Did you watch last year? He was getting podiums all over the place
Andretti is obviously not wanted by F1. When he leaves, they suddenly accept their entrance, and the humiliating Audi soap drama goes on? Yes, when I see the car on the grid, I will believe it.
Can’t see Audi ever making it to the grid.
Liberty media CEO and Michael Andretti have some personal beef between them. That is the only reason why Andretti team was denied entry.
Yea, and after Michael backed out and Liberty Media’s CEO Greg Maffei stepping down end 2025, suddenly F1 is playing nice with Cadillac/Team Andretti.
GM is more serious about entering F1 than Audi or Renault.
Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering. And using the Andretti team to consolidate this.
And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single screw or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team, or car manufacturer has that kind of expertise.
@@captain_context9991 and audi some how does?
@@captain_context9991F1 is corporate marketing. That’s literally why HAAS is even on the grid he thought they could just buy everything from Ferrari and just show up every weekend and promote his brand. Every team has to develop things in house so your argument of them rebadging things doesn’t make sense.
@@km6832
Audi bought out the Sauber team. Which will be running under the Audi logo from 2026. With all new people.
Try looking things up just once.
Sooo f1 wants Andretti but without andretti. They really hate that guy
Any idea why?
He's still in charge, just not officially
Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Using Andrettis racing heritage to consolidate this. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering.
And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, Ferrari, Mclaren, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single nut or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team has that kind of expertise.
Just liberty Media the FIA seem fine with it
@@stuartkinzel8195apparently there was personal issues, something with one of their wives
We definitely need more private teams to bring more young drivers through
F1 clearly doesn't want Andretti. He steps down, they're suddenly okay with their entry, while the embarrassing Audi soap opera continues on? Yeah - I'll believe it when I see that car on the grid.
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One of the most relevant sponsorships I've ever seen on a RUclips video tbh.
@Sindrolik True, but for a press medium to get involved with the sale of tickets, to the benefit of who exactly?
I thought it was more strange to be advertising so far out from the Dutch GP @@Jejking
@@briankieryczuk8307 Yeah, that's a point as well. Not exactly the USA or sthg. I have a feeling that this might be the start of a series, possibly to pick up sales for disappointing events.
I don’t know how they’re excuse of “no one has heard of this name” works when you have teams like HAAS and Kick Sauber which is nonexistent to the public outside of F1
Because they joined before the budget cap so they’re not relevant.
If Sauber or Haas wanted to join today they’d have the same problems as Andretti.
F1 can't be serious to say that they're denying a new team entry because they "wouldn't be competitive" when they have Sauber on the grid with 0 points with 3 races left in the season. 🤣
Don’t forget, they are turning into Audi which will hopefully give them the backing to do well.
Audi is a laughable brand
It’s not the same
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial Not compared to GM.
This is Saubers worst season. And there’s nothing wrong with stopping more teams like Sauber from joining.
They can’t kick out existing teams, they only have the option of stopping new teams from entering
The uncompetitive reason is BS. Teams are worried of losing that good prize money.
Andretti steps down and f1 says “ok”
Lol
Michael can probably negotiate a deal with Honda to get a customer engine with his ties to the manufacturer.
Also Honda and GM have worked together on other projects in the past.
@@gpajeThat partnership ended, now GM is partnered with Hyundai/KIA.
@@T.N.D.88 Noticed I said the word "worked".
An Andretti - Honda F1 effort would be more long term than Cadillac. They don't even have an engine being designed at the moment.
@@marzgrab Hence Honda. Honda will supply a PU for 2026, 2027 while Cadillac PU gets developed for the 2028 season. However, it will be branded Cadillac from the get go. GM was originally going to brand the Renault unit for 2 years as well before they decided to leave F1.
The rejection was just a petty personal beef with Michael Andretti, embarrassing for F1.
Truly pathetic from them. Americans should consider a boycott
“Embarrassing”!? for F1?? I say typical.
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GM-Honda-Cadillac (yes, with redundancy)
Maffei tells Mario Andretti recently that he "will do everything in his power" to stop Michael from entering F1.
1. Maffei has been fired and has no power now (and no one volunteers to moves on from a powerful and lucrative position without a better gig, which Maffei does not have.)
2. Why would Maffei have said such a thing? What made Maffei so furious at America's famous racing family? Andretti's confrontational/abrasive approach? No, I think that just gets an emphatic "NO".
Recall that the United States senate moved to launch a DOJ investigation into F1 anti-competitive tactics. This investigation could have resulted in the government looking at Liberty Media much more closely, including financials and tax issues. Now, if Liberty very much want to avoid such scrutiny Maffei's harsh rejection and words to Mario can be seen as a serious blunder.
I imagine redbull are likely to drop tsunoda after 2025 and Aston will be locked up with stroll, so I could see tsunoda taking one of the Andretti seats for 26 and 27 if Honda ends up supplying them
Tsunoda can only drive for Lada in 2026. and later 😂.
Colton was a young American hope 10 years ago...
He can't even win in Indycar 😮🤔
Are you on glue? GM or nothing.
What stops GM from selling their shares back to Andretti and the team from renaming itself to "Michael Andretti's Personal Hobby Project" after they're approved and become part of Concorde Agreement? Silly requirement.
Honestly I hope that happens. Fuck F1 for trying to stifle competition. Teams are worried about lesser payouts with more competition? Make faster cars.
This is exactly what they would do. And everybody knows it.
GM owns zero Andretti Global shares, for starters
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial We're talking about F1 entry, not Andretti Global itself.
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial
Whats that got to do with things.
F1 has needed a new team on the grid for some years now but I think it’s taken so long because the teams hold too much voice on the sport and use f1 reps as a puppet to voice what they really want
I think the house of cards began to shake a bit with the problems at VAG and Audi now looking to soon sell a 50% stake in the team already and Renault shuttering their engine program (could the team be next should things not improve?)
F1 now sees the added stability of having an eleventh team should one of the existing outfits go belly up as global recession and conflict fears continue to worsen and corporate accountants chop what isn't in the core business model.
Ya it's the greedy team-owners who are currently being paid the prize money for 12 teams, with the current ten. They see the money for the other two teams as theirs.
Finally Addretti is here..
why dont people like Michael Andretti? What did he do to piss off so many power brokers in F1?
He's American, has self-confidence and comes from outside the European good old boys club
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial is that really all it is? F1 is owned by an American company.
@@64ElMariachiIt’s about money, it has nothing to do with “self confidence”
@64ElMariachi the way he went around publically they took as "musling " his way into f1. Egos in these huge corporations is huge and sadly humans are jealous greedy ego fueled liars mostly.
He's carried a very visible chip on his shoulder ever since he didn't do well in F1, and insists McLaren sabotaged him to make him look bad and get Hakkinen into the car. There's enough of a circus around F1 without adding an even bigger clown.
So we're entering another era of manufacturers, merc, ferrari, mclaren, red bull and RB (with help from ford), haas (with help from Toyota), audi, GM, aston martin (with honda) and alpine possibly...
might want to scratch alpine off the list
@Jackinacox it's getting close 😂
@@Jackinacoxummm have you been watching, they climbed from p10 to p6 and are switching to Mercedes engines
@@mathewhosier9739 switching to merc is exactly what a team ready to sell would do, makes the team alot easier to sell
@@thatbritishguitarist9254since F1 is profitable there’s no reason to sell.
Literally pays them money to advertise themselves.
Cutting off the engine department is cost saving.
If I'm understanding correctly:
1. It was personal
2. US politics caused heads to roll within FIA leadership?
2. FOM, not FIA. And I doubt that it is the case.
Cadillac's drivers: Bottas and Drugovich
- Bottas has experience
- Drugo raced for Cadillac in 24 hrs of Le Mans and Daytona
- Herta doesn't have superlicence points
Forgot one important point: a new Concorde Agreement will be put in place between now and their entry, with the entry fee tripled or more to at least 600 million USD.
That, along with liberty CEO leaving, is the key.
13 teams were going to be grid in 2010. 13 teams is the maximum they can STILL have. Good all around especially for drivers and engineers.
To be honest, that failed spectacularly. 2010 was a good season, but the new teams were not even close to be competitive. I understand F1 not wanting another HRT or Virgin.
F1: We reject your bid?
Andretti: why?
F1: bring us a manufacturer and we will talk
Andretti: say hello to General Motors.
F1: 😳 oh shit, he actually did it. Umm, oh yeah, We will gladly take GM, but in 2028
Andretti: but you said...
F1: we just dont like you, but your friend GM is welcome. Also you will provide no value
Andretti: I will be stepping away from project lead.
F1: come on in... how does 2026 sound? No engine? Details. We will sort it out.
F1 is so morally bankrupt it is pathetic.
The Euros are afraid of a Burger team.
gentlemen love the intro that was great, keep up the good work
If you observe carefully, f1 in recent years is trying to bring in brands that also have road vehicles. If they don't, they get rejected. So bringing under gm name makes sense.
Andretti has not left, simply behind the scenes, his stepping down was a prerequisite to get into F1
If Renault had any intelligence, they'd ditch the Mercedes deal, offer a GM a short term deal re-start development, and have data from 4 cars not 2.
Renault having a plan. That's a good one.
That was their initial plan, but as you said, top management is lacking both in vision and smarts.
These idiots don't even know how to manage their Alpine brand on the commercial side of things (EB110 looks great, but A290 doesn't belong in), and it's a testament to how good they are that their F1 project is now faring worse with a CEO allegedly in favour of it, in contrast to Carlos Ghosn' era one, who definitely wasn't.
Yes, but they need an engine for short term anyway. Even GM would be a customer team for 2026/27.
@@5340robert What irks me (as a McLaren fan) who has a soft spot for Renault, is it doesn't market very well when you a car and engine manufacturer in and out of M/Sport can't build a good engine and have to get one from somewhere else.
Twice as much data to not understand
The other teams who were resisting may have shot themselves in the foot. They are still bound by the rules limiting CD and wind tunnel testing. Since Andretti is not an "official" entry, they can do all the cd and wind tunnel testing they want. Andretti may not be as far behind as others are suggesting when they hit the grid.
I feel that they still lack the experience the current teams have though, so it’s quite difficult to hit the ground running but if they pull it off, it would be a sight to see
At least the FIA and FOM are showing consistency in how inconsistent they are
I looked at the teams that were in favour of Michael Andretti's bold initiative to enter F1 and who were against. Only McLaren and Alpine were for Andretti being in F1 and I find myself asking whether the others have no vision and additionally lack the courage to see F1 itself grow. For them it's better the ( devil ) ten you know than the eleven with an element of the unknown.
I'm glad things are about to change but I lament that the name of Andretti may not be as prominent. A sad reflection of the absence as I said of courage to take F1 to another higher level and the presence of not a little envy too perhaps. Given that Michael Andretti has driven the project this far it would have been fitting that his name does not fade away as the project becomes a reality and grows with the passage of time.
The F1 media are running dead about this. Maffei gone as boss of Liberty, Domenicali gone as Foma boss, head of legal from FOMA who headed up FOMA reply to F1 and Andretti) gone. USA DoJ has talks with certain team principles regarding breaches of Sherman act. Now those principles are quiet, bosses at FOMA et al gone, Micheal still own team but steps aside from 'day to day' running team. Andretti on grid in 2026. Stop saying this is all about Micheal - its 100% about Liberty and DoJ legal pressure, but you wont say that out loud cause you suckle at their teat.
Could the exit of Mafei on the Liberty, who quote "would personally make sure Andretti woill never get on the grid," be also a factor to this
An Andretti built car on the grid before a works Audi car makes it to the grid is now actually possible - and would be hilarious.
Andretti Global couldn't get approved because some people didn't like Michael. Now that he's out, the entry is a slam dunk. Sounds petty to me.
Way to finesse his way into F1!!! Gotta love Michael Andretti's determination! An American driver is a MUST. TBH, this is a perfect opportunity to bring Danny Ric back onto the grid given his experience and popularity with the American fans. Then partner him with Herta. Great base.
I’m not a Bottas fan but Mercedes put him through it and then he got stooped down to Sauber, he deserves that seat.
OUT OF NOWHERE: Dutch GP ad 😬
Like an RKO
Finally someone saw sense. Let’s get a new team on the grid
For a new team to get on the grid, another team needs to leave. F1 does not want more teams.
So it was personal after all 😂
Nah, they are trying to grift and scam their way into F1 and F1 doesnt want to be just an american corporate marketing deal.
@@captain_context9991 so ur telling me that f1 managment were fine a few years ago with the entry but then they deny it, after that andretti steps down and immediatly they accept them as a new team and that isnt personal? also I think theres worse teams than what andretti would be but ok
@@shadowduds
@shadowduds
All the other fluff is just public perception. Im trying to explain it in general terms.
The fact is... GM / Cadillac does not have the technology or engineering skills to race F1. So they are trying to blag their way into F1 by using Andrettis international street cred and GMs money. But F1 is not taking the bait because they know that it would just be Cadillacs logo on somebody elses car. And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is about.
So after a lot of back and forth, Andretti / Cadillac are viewed as grifters and hustlers and made themselves unpopular.
@@captain_context9991 "GM / Cadillac does not have the technology or engineering skills to race F1"
they have done incredible advancements, they definetly have the technology, in the video they have already talked about wind tunnel testings, cockpit safety and they have gained so many plp from the F1 world already. Also I want to point out that Haas still doesnt have a simulator after 9 years in the sport, I would bet Haas is less technologically advanced than Andretti rn.
And GM is the largest car manufacturer in america theres no way they dont have the technology.
@@shadowduds
Yeah.... By setting up a proxy in England where 80% of F1 teams are. Where they can easily buy the manpower, engineering skills and technology.
If you need further proof of this. Look at Cadillacs new LeMans team. Which is exactly 0% engineered by themselves.
Haas is another America-LICENSED team. They have a headquarter in North Carolina, but all their tech is done in Banbury England and Maranello Italy. They got an engine from Ferrari, chassis from Italian Dallara, and bought their racing team from ex Jag and Red Bull employees.
"Liberty Media" about to get some real liberation 🦅🦅💥💥🇺🇸🇺🇸
Liberty Media is an American owned company lol
This is actually very solid assumption with the news, I recently got hired as a summer software engineer intern for GM's motorsports division in north carolina. This is so sick!!!
Yeah I hope they approve and MA steps back up.
"theres no market for an american run team with famous american racing teams and massive american car manufacturers" - - "hey, lets get as many races in USA as possible as its a huge market with massive growth potential"
Imagine if andretti joins up, then right behind is penske...
If I were Andretti Global, I'd be signing up and promptly promoting Daniel Ricciardo. F1, and by extension, the fans absolutely love him and as we saw last year, there's clearly a push to have him on the grid. Having Ricciardo front and centre of an F1 entry push would guarantee commercial appeal and the experience of a proven race winner.
Yes
and get lapped by sauber
Need to get rid of RB having two teams
The fact that F1 doesn't want the GM vs. Ford (Red Bull) rivalry is crazy
Those name shenanigans are ridiculous. You couldn't get a worse, less recognised name than V-Carb! Torro Rosso was fine. Alpha Tauri was fine. But....
Is it just me but it seems like someone has a problem with Michael
The real reasons
>F1 lost a manufacturer(Renault) which is embarrassing considering the excuses they put out Pre-season.
>The CEO who had the vendetta to block the new team is stepping down
Another very important thing the guy the CEO had the vendetta against removed himself from the bid. (At least until it goes through)
Imagine citing Andretti as “brash” when you already have Horney Horner and Tantrum Toto in the paddock. SMH.
Meanwhile, F1 sees no problem with Audi jerking them around left and right. So ridiculous.
The whole Anti-Andretti plotline has me kinda hoping F1 falls apart once Max gets bored of it.
And this is why the FIA should be in charge of F1, not Liberty Media
Tell me you dont want an American in F1 but you want American fans and money without saying it
There’s already an American team in F1 - Haas.
It has nothing to do with America.
@@paperplane-db8qfThat's the problem lol. They aren't a real American team and they kinda suck most of the time because they don't have the financial backing to spend nearly as much as the other teams. Andretti-Cadillac solves both of those issues.
The commercial angle, imo, should be flatout ignored when determining whether or not to admit a team. F1 is a _sport_ not a f*cking product to be sold.
FIA governs the sporting aspect, and Liberty govern the commercial aspect. That’s the whole point of the Concorde agreement
Every sport its a product.
Thats not Olympics or something like that
Ridiculous. McLaren, Ferrari, Williams. All based around extremely strong personalities.
I think the legal action has far more to do with this, and they need to pretend that there were actual reasons they rejected the bid
Anyone else think it’s petty that the second Andretti steps down, F1 just approves them after years of giving them the runaround??
7:48 Cadillac got Renaults IP for their 2026 engines. They’ll probably just badge those engines as Cadillacs before having their own in 2028
Once they get into the grid, a name change back to Andretti will be very welcome, just to piss the full-of-prejudice F1.
What do you make of Stefano Domenicali leaving his role at F1 to take over at MotoGP?
I genuinly not know how to feel about this news🤷🏻🤷🏻
I think more big manufacturers in f1 can only be a good thing. Be cool to see bmw come back aswell
@@Theriotwright
Problem is... GM, Cadillac, does not have anything CLOSE to the technology or expertise to race F1. So everything has to be bought in from other companies. Which means it will be just a GM badge on somebody elses technology and engineering.
And F1 does not want to be just a billion dollar corporate marketing deal. Thats not what F1 is for. Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, Honda, all of them run their own tech. Cadillac would not. And as if this needed more proof, Cadillac also runs a new LeMans team, but not a single screw or bolt is made by Cadillac themselves. Because no American racing team has that kind of expertise.
@@shanefanon There's a bit of comment on your bitterness
@shanefanon bro what is wrong with you, I literally just wrote I don't know if GM would be a good or bad thing for the sport😂😂
ANDRETTI IS A GOD NAME, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!😢❤😊
Definitely Botas / Colapinto for Cadillac F1, Botas already has the mullet and Colapinto is South American, which is close enough really.
"Cadillac" is such a weird choice of brand, being known for large luxury sedans for the most part. I'd have thought Corvette or something would be a better GM brand for racing
They're been trying to turn it into an American BMW for close to 20 years now. They pushed out one manual rear wheel drive supersaloon after another. Plus Cadillac actually has a decent amount of racing history at Le Mans and IMSA.
@@dylansmit3883 Yeah, a history of getting absolutely stomped.
@@PistonAvatarGuy At Le Mans, yes. But that's irrelevant to the marketing guys.
@@dylansmit3883 In the WEC in general. And, it's relevant, because it shows GM's level of technology relative to the Europeans and the Japanese. GM is just nuts to think that they can compete in F1.
@@PistonAvatarGuyactually Corvette Racing kinda stomped at Le Mans last year. Unfortunately, it was Corvette Racing's last year.
I want them to absolutely humble the most arrogant people in F1
When they drop the Andretti name from the bid, get the green light and then unveil Andretti as a title sponsor. 😂😂😂
If you look at recent F1 history, privately/solo owned teams have been plagued with issues (Haas, Stroll, Williams...) resulting in commercials risks and controversy (Uralkali), contrary to the good old days....so commercial viability with GM backing is certainly plays a key role here...
LETS GO! Straight out of Indiana! Home of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing
How will Liberty Media circumvent monopoly laws whilst owning F1, MotoGP and World Superbikes?
Finaly some good news, hope they will get it there and if they don't enter under the name Andretti, they can eventualy change that after a couple of seasons if wanted.
Anyway i cross fingers for them!
Seems like F1/Liberty is run along the lines of Mean Girls in high school. As if Horner or Wolff haven’t been brash or abrasive, so why should Andretti be excluded because he isn’t a cool kid. Hope Andretti comes back and throws it in their face.
Cadillac(GM) is making some big moves, and I’m all on board. Hertz/Cadillac & possibly F1 are what I like to see from them.
Reminds me of that scene from Major League when the team finds out the owner is betting for them to come in dead last so she can move the team to Miami.
Taylor says “well I guess there’s only one thing left to do then…win the whole f@cking thing.” LFG.
I genuinely think I’m going to stop watching formula 1. Im beyond sick of the inauthentic nature of everything. It’s 99% reality tv and 1% sport. Not to mention that they treat their fans horribly. The business side of the sport has evolved into this grotesque version of itself. This isn’t Motorsport. It’s lost ALL of what makes racing amazing.
Yes.
I said at work today a Colton/Bottas combo would be awesome for Cadillac and I’m happy you guys agreed clearly 😂
In your face, Greg Maffei
Watch them go after Daniel Ricciardo
I want bottas and drugovich for this team
If it was down to the Donald, surely it would be Tesla on the grid…😳
Elon himself could buy the sport of F1
GM is way to late to come in to the engine game, even Audi is feeling the pinch now
You need to work on your ad transitions….it was like a car accident in this video
It's personal.
USA ban F1 from racing in the USA unless a real US team is permitted on the grid!
@@stevejh69 cota would be missed but not the other shit tracks and no us team. deal
@@KingofClubsMCDLXXXVIIII’m down with that, would consider COTA “acceptable casualties”
Given how much the US fans love him, Danny Riciardo would be another good option for any new GM team given his experience.
Boy, they (insecure FIA management) really hate the Andretti name, despite it being one of the best known family names in motorsport history….
I'm looking forward to hearing the VBSC jingle when they announce that they won't have Valteri as a driver.