I am flying the A320/21 irl. Never have I ever heard about flying above the recommended max lvl because the buffet onset would be less than 1.3g. You might fact check your video again
I fly the 321 ceo/neo variants irl. In the ceo, you usually have sufficient margins to climb close to the REC MAX altitude displayed on the progress page, however on the neo it is quite different, at the optimum level, the managed mach target is only a couple kts above the green dot speed with around 10kts margin for overspeed. Keep in mind that the autothrust can be quite sluggish (especially with the speed managed) often allowing a deviation in excess of of 5kts or .02 mach. It can be mitigated with selecting the speed when encountering turbulence, making the autothrust somewhat more reactive. A good rule of thumb is to stay 2000 feet below the REC MAX, to ensure sufficient speed margins. All in all in daily operations we try not to push it and reduce our safety margins for a ~50kg saving on a 2hr flight. Enjoying your content, keep up the good work:)
As an atco in real life, 370 is definitely the most common initial requested levels for the airbus and even Boeings with some even going 390+. Interesting to see the logic behind the discrepancy in the fmc.
Nice video! I spent 22 years flying B757/767 then 15 years A340/330/321/320. I still call it FMC! So don’t feel bad. But then the FMC abbreviation does appear in the FCOM although it is hardly used. Just a clarification, REC MAX stands for Recommended Maximum not Receivable Maximum. Yes the acronyms are a bit of a challenge!! Enjoy the A330!
Again, super informative, detailed video. It wouldn't even cross my mind that those calculations are so off. I love the channel's impact on the whole community, which actually pushes developers to pay attention to the tiny details that normally would be ignored, boosting realism to the next level each month. Btw is the flightradar airline a coincidence? 😏 lol.
Indeed I thought the same thing, when I learned this I really asked three or four times if that's REALLY true. It was unthinkable to me that the FMS could be so drastically off that timetimes you'd bust the "maximum" altitude in order to get to your real optimum. But indeed that is what it is.
@@A330Driver I imagine the airlines must've been really pissed off back in the day, when they found out how much fuel they could've been saving with the same airframe and engines. Small change in calculations, millions of dollars a year effectively for free.
@@A330Driver Hey mate, I’m posting here hoping no one opens this apart from you. You didn’t censor your name out in the SimBrief page. I don’t know if this was intentional but I hope you see this.
@@IamJimhunder Don't worry. He never hid his name to begin with. I remember the name from some forums and in his livestreams or full flight videos he sometimes says his name when simulating an announcement.
@@IamJimhunder Thanks, I'm aware of that. It's fine like I did it in here. My new airline isn't that much of an issue anymore in regards to social media. :)
I am wondering if Simbrief takes in consideration also the level of tropopause, which is not on the same level everyday. This is also an important factor in choosing the CRZ ALT.
That app is for a bogus aeroplane. The weights and thrust are different. We don’t usually go higher than 1200-1500ft below REC MAX. If you to and get slow you run the risk of underspeed, there is almost no excess thrust up there.
I often wondered why I'd get better fuel consumption figures per mile at 1000' - 2000' above the indicated 'Optimal' altitude. I'd assumed it was a glitch with the FBW A320!
That's because our airspace is very restricted and ATC is very inefficient where I operate, it would be lucky to allow go over FL320 under a 3hr flight, sometimes only around FL250 for few hours.😂
Does that make the airbus fmc partially useless as it doesn't calculate the best crz alt? Does it make it ineffective in this case? And can it pose a safety issue as you climb 2000 ft above because as a thumb rule? Plz do comment because I may have misunderstood last mentioned point.
Particularly useless? No Ineffective? Yes Safety Issue? No Keep in mind, we do not just climb above the FMC altitudes. You'd run the calculation on flysmart on every single flight to determine the best cruise level. Only then you'd climb above the FMC altitudes.
Strange that your FlySmart CRZ takes AIR COND OFF as (STD). Logically it would by default be ON (unless you are flying unpressurized). Mine is ON(STD).
Hi Yuzy, do they really? I just checked a couple flights on FR24 and the last few thousand feet on most A320s climbing to FL360 and higher on long flights were all somewhere around 500-700fpm. That's about the same the Fenix does as well.
When I search for "fly smart" or "flysmart", I get a Malaysian passengers' rights organization called FlySmart... Could you confirm the search term or provide a company name, link, or something more definite? Thanks.
Very interesting! Thank you, Emanuel. When it comes to Simbrief calculations numbers are varying on the selection of the particular flight model for the aircraft, too. 😊 PS: despite you are changing to Airbus now - I'd be really interested in whether there is a similar behaviour in B737 calculation! 😊 Thank you.
Would an fmc update by airbus require a recert or smthn that this hasn't been addressed by them up to this point ? Or is everyone just ignoring the fmc and going with what airbus apps say and that is the most convenient and cost effective for everyone ?
This is cool to know. I was wondering about. I just very recently bought the fenix. Is it just me or does it not like to be hand flown ? I think im just too accustomed to the boeing.
Hi, I have my skepticism on those value and flying above the recommended value subjected by the CMDU since they have being cases on getting very close to the coffin corner. Morever, my brother flight the A320 for one of the mayor Airlines and he always suggests if the weather permits to flight 1000 or 2000 feets under the optimum FL. I'm not discrediting you at all, we are all learning here. Good video.
My experience with this is that flying at the fly smart OPT in the Airbus will give you the same speed margins that you'd get in the 737 as well flying close to the OPT levels. Not much difference there.
I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s going to be flying for Eurowings Discover there are many previous 737 pilots that now work for Eurowings discover
That's interesting! I actually thought simbrief gave higher crz alts for shorter flights so I would many times change them to a lower one. Like for 1 hr air time fl380 or so feels a bit too high to me. But some times it will give on high 20s or low 30s which seems appropriate. This video was quite insightful. Thanks.
Great info as always! You're the only person who enjoys flight sim and claims to be an ailine pilot. I'm very cynical but I just have a feeling you're genuine. At least I hope so! I just wondered if you own airlinetools a32x? physics are horrendous but the system depth are really awesome! I own, fslabs,fenix,Toliss,FF A320s too. Which one do you think is most realistic by the way if you don't mind answering!
Dont think he can answer that… not because he is not a real pilot or something like this but because he will be rated on the a330, which isn’t exactly an a320, and even though his airbus knowledge is probably already better than our, its not completed yet. And why he wouldn’t be genuine? There are lot of pilots on youtube who enjoy flightsims :)
@@Jan-ov5tm I thought he was going to be typerated on the A320, that's why I asked. There are some flightsimmers on here who pretend to be pilots on this channel to gain more subscribers. 'real pilot' in titles is clickbait and generates money. I don't believe anything unless I have basic proof. The world is full of charlatans and fake news. It's more important than ever not to just believe everything you read or hear. This doesn't apply to your channel though 737.
Uuuh...congrats? Some people stick actually stick to the Airbus recommended values in the FMGC because of common sense. So it is actually safe to assume that, unless you got actually trained on the real deal, you WILL follow the wrong values for your cruise. The title is absolutely correct, even if you seem to think otherwise, just because you seem to be the special snowflake here.
@@A330Driver If you say so :) You've NEVER seen me fly it. So show your evidence please! How do you know I'm in your categorty of 'most'? It's a presumptive claim at best as you don't really know what MOST do. Still, not the first time you've done this with a video title.
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I am flying the A320/21 irl. Never have I ever heard about flying above the recommended max lvl because the buffet onset would be less than 1.3g. You might fact check your video again
I fly the 321 ceo/neo variants irl.
In the ceo, you usually have sufficient margins to climb close to the REC MAX altitude displayed on the progress page, however on the neo it is quite different, at the optimum level, the managed mach target is only a couple kts above the green dot speed with around 10kts margin for overspeed.
Keep in mind that the autothrust can be quite sluggish (especially with the speed managed) often allowing a deviation in excess of of 5kts or .02 mach. It can be mitigated with selecting the speed when encountering turbulence, making the autothrust somewhat more reactive.
A good rule of thumb is to stay 2000 feet below the REC MAX, to ensure sufficient speed margins.
All in all in daily operations we try not to push it and reduce our safety margins for a ~50kg saving on a 2hr flight.
Enjoying your content, keep up the good work:)
As an atco in real life, 370 is definitely the most common initial requested levels for the airbus and even Boeings with some even going 390+. Interesting to see the logic behind the discrepancy in the fmc.
Nice video! I spent 22 years flying B757/767 then 15 years A340/330/321/320. I still call it FMC! So don’t feel bad. But then the FMC abbreviation does appear in the FCOM although it is hardly used.
Just a clarification, REC MAX stands for Recommended Maximum not Receivable Maximum. Yes the acronyms are a bit of a challenge!!
Enjoy the A330!
Its a shame flysmart isn't available on android
I usually grab my flights from flightaware and manually enter the real world cruise altitude in simbrief to mimic the real world flight
I do the same, however I can’t get any European Flight Plan data from Fightaware or anywhere else for that matter.
Again, super informative, detailed video. It wouldn't even cross my mind that those calculations are so off. I love the channel's impact on the whole community, which actually pushes developers to pay attention to the tiny details that normally would be ignored, boosting realism to the next level each month.
Btw is the flightradar airline a coincidence? 😏 lol.
Indeed I thought the same thing, when I learned this I really asked three or four times if that's REALLY true. It was unthinkable to me that the FMS could be so drastically off that timetimes you'd bust the "maximum" altitude in order to get to your real optimum.
But indeed that is what it is.
@@A330Driver I imagine the airlines must've been really pissed off back in the day, when they found out how much fuel they could've been saving with the same airframe and engines. Small change in calculations, millions of dollars a year effectively for free.
@@A330Driver
Hey mate, I’m posting here hoping no one opens this apart from you. You didn’t censor your name out in the SimBrief page. I don’t know if this was intentional but I hope you see this.
@@IamJimhunder Don't worry. He never hid his name to begin with. I remember the name from some forums and in his livestreams or full flight videos he sometimes says his name when simulating an announcement.
@@IamJimhunder Thanks, I'm aware of that. It's fine like I did it in here. My new airline isn't that much of an issue anymore in regards to social media. :)
I am wondering if Simbrief takes in consideration also the level of tropopause, which is not on the same level everyday. This is also an important factor in choosing the CRZ ALT.
That app is for a bogus aeroplane. The weights and thrust are different. We don’t usually go higher than 1200-1500ft below REC MAX. If you to and get slow you run the risk of underspeed, there is almost no excess thrust up there.
Yet the output is almost identical to the output from the same app on my real life EFB.
Thanks Emanuel.
I often wondered why I'd get better fuel consumption figures per mile at 1000' - 2000' above the indicated 'Optimal' altitude. I'd assumed it was a glitch with the FBW A320!
That's because our airspace is very restricted and ATC is very inefficient where I operate, it would be lucky to allow go over FL320 under a 3hr flight, sometimes only around FL250 for few hours.😂
Is there a similar logic in the 737, or are the fmc calculated altitudes more accurate for real-world application?
this is a question i had for a time, the Fenix A320 Performance always has Optimums at least 2000ft below what i see in real life for the same route.
Does that make the airbus fmc partially useless as it doesn't calculate the best crz alt? Does it make it ineffective in this case? And can it pose a safety issue as you climb 2000 ft above because as a thumb rule? Plz do comment because I may have misunderstood last mentioned point.
Particularly useless? No
Ineffective? Yes
Safety Issue? No
Keep in mind, we do not just climb above the FMC altitudes. You'd run the calculation on flysmart on every single flight to determine the best cruise level. Only then you'd climb above the FMC altitudes.
Strange that your FlySmart CRZ takes AIR COND OFF as (STD). Logically it would by default be ON (unless you are flying unpressurized). Mine is ON(STD).
Maybe that's due to the demo version I used for this video. On my real EFB it defaults to NORM of course.
Hello Emmanuel
If we Climb above the obtimum altitude of the MCDU we climb very slowly while real planes climb much faster
Hi Yuzy,
do they really? I just checked a couple flights on FR24 and the last few thousand feet on most A320s climbing to FL360 and higher on long flights were all somewhere around 500-700fpm.
That's about the same the Fenix does as well.
When I search for "fly smart" or "flysmart", I get a Malaysian passengers' rights organization called FlySmart... Could you confirm the search term or provide a company name, link, or something more definite? Thanks.
Nevermind… I was searching on my iPhone; I found it when I searched in Bing.
shame these tools aren't available on android or pc :/
Would you fly the ERJ-175 again soon
Jet streams and fuel saving...what else is new?
Did you even watch the video?
@@A330Driver I really did after I guess commented what made sense it might be...and I was wrong! Nice video tho!
Very interesting! Thank you, Emanuel. When it comes to Simbrief calculations numbers are varying on the selection of the particular flight model for the aircraft, too. 😊
PS: despite you are changing to Airbus now - I'd be really interested in whether there is a similar behaviour in B737 calculation! 😊 Thank you.
In the 737 we didn't have to do this, its FMC calculated accurate numbers when all the pilot entered data was correct.
@@A330Driver How comes I was guessing you'd say thyt?! 😆 Thank you. Keep up the great work here!
Would an fmc update by airbus require a recert or smthn that this hasn't been addressed by them up to this point ? Or is everyone just ignoring the fmc and going with what airbus apps say and that is the most convenient and cost effective for everyone ?
This is cool to know. I was wondering about. I just very recently bought the fenix. Is it just me or does it not like to be hand flown ? I think im just too accustomed to the boeing.
Manual handling is quite shitty to be honest.
Am I the only one who can’t find the app?
Hi, I have my skepticism on those value and flying above the recommended value subjected by the CMDU since they have being cases on getting very close to the coffin corner. Morever, my brother flight the A320 for one of the mayor Airlines and he always suggests if the weather permits to flight 1000 or 2000 feets under the optimum FL. I'm not discrediting you at all, we are all learning here. Good video.
My experience with this is that flying at the fly smart OPT in the Airbus will give you the same speed margins that you'd get in the 737 as well flying close to the OPT levels. Not much difference there.
@@A330Driver Hi, thanks for replay, I will keep you posted.
Am I the only one who was expecting the first real life example to be Eurowings Discover?
I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s going to be flying for Eurowings Discover there are many previous 737 pilots that now work for Eurowings discover
What is the app you used? I can't find it google play.
Airbus Flysmart+
Might only be available for Apple devices.
expert
Quite fascinating! I love Airbus. Thanks Emanuel 🌞
Me too!
That's interesting! I actually thought simbrief gave higher crz alts for shorter flights so I would many times change them to a lower one. Like for 1 hr air time fl380 or so feels a bit too high to me. But some times it will give on high 20s or low 30s which seems appropriate. This video was quite insightful. Thanks.
Great info as always! You're the only person who enjoys flight sim and claims to be an ailine pilot. I'm very cynical but I just have a feeling you're genuine. At least I hope so! I just wondered if you own airlinetools a32x? physics are horrendous but the system depth are really awesome! I own, fslabs,fenix,Toliss,FF A320s too. Which one do you think is most realistic by the way if you don't mind answering!
Dont think he can answer that… not because he is not a real pilot or something like this but because he will be rated on the a330, which isn’t exactly an a320, and even though his airbus knowledge is probably already better than our, its not completed yet. And why he wouldn’t be genuine? There are lot of pilots on youtube who enjoy flightsims :)
@@Jan-ov5tm I thought he was going to be typerated on the A320, that's why I asked. There are some flightsimmers on here who pretend to be pilots on this channel to gain more subscribers. 'real pilot' in titles is clickbait and generates money. I don't believe anything unless I have basic proof. The world is full of charlatans and fake news. It's more important than ever not to just believe everything you read or hear. This doesn't apply to your channel though 737.
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just in case just like others stated u might have doxed ur full name
Just in case this is a problem: You're doxed your full name in the simbrief screencap
he is well known in the pmdg community i think
@@RAVIOLIdS ok, then it's ok. Frim the videos I only knew the first name so far
@@BS-eh1zf no me 2 but i searched it online i think he is well known he comes up in pmdg
Well in the PMDG forums you have to use your full name so yeah I think some people know his full name already.
Thanks, I'm aware :)
It's alright, my new airline isn't as much of a social media hog as my old one was ;-)
"Why YOU fly your AIRBUS TOO LOW" - ME? I don't. A bit presumptuous of you. Have you watched 'most of us' fly the Airbus?
Yes, you. You and most others.
Uuuh...congrats? Some people stick actually stick to the Airbus recommended values in the FMGC because of common sense. So it is actually safe to assume that, unless you got actually trained on the real deal, you WILL follow the wrong values for your cruise.
The title is absolutely correct, even if you seem to think otherwise, just because you seem to be the special snowflake here.
@@A330Driver If you say so :) You've NEVER seen me fly it. So show your evidence please! How do you know I'm in your categorty of 'most'?
It's a presumptive claim at best as you don't really know what MOST do.
Still, not the first time you've done this with a video title.