@@brozotesreally nice find, thanks! Thereve been many little overview vignettes covering Doctors since, but this one feels the most real. The fact they don't need to drown the piece with background music really proves it.
Lovely; natural; human….. These things will return to televisual media; the death throes of the showbiz beast are expressing with increasing intensity ~ Soon the silence will arrive & great relief will be experienced across the globe ::
That was the idea... It's why they kept him. If they wanted to fix it they would of changed it in no time. No accident I think waited till he was dead to bring it back as he couldn't let go either.
JNT wanted to leave since season 20. It's been documented many times. He agreed to stay on for season 21 in exchange to do the 20th anniversary special. There's a not of nonfiction work pre-2005 and dvd documentaries on the mid-late 80s stories that piece the whole situation. It's a lot to go through, sure, roughly 22 stories or so, but the making-of documentaries alone tell a lot of great info...
@@kevinchun5242they only revived the show because the 2000s were reviving lots of long-dead shows as that's often not as risky as doing something radically different, which JNT was arguably trying in the 80s
JNT killed the show. Revisionist fans may try to rewrite history but all the changes he instigated to the show especially the theme music, titles, incidental music (which I believe are quite pivotal) and tone of the overall show were badly received by the general public from the start of his tenure. JNT quite simply had appalling taste which greatly affected his decision making. If in doubt, don't listen to the revisionist fans but the true professionals like Verity Lambert who thought the show became "silly" under JNT and Sidney Newman, ruclips.net/user/shorts4K4UMJp-v6k
The trouble with JNT is that, in spite of his merits as a production manager, he really didn't have any understanding or appreciation of what constituted a good script, and he mistook the hardcore fanbase for the audience, hence the endless back-references and returning monsters in attempt to win over fans with nostalgia (sound familiar?). He's not entirely responsible for the decline, though. All three of his cronies have to shoulder some of the blame - Bidmead took the science aspect way too seriously, Saward allowed his dissatisfaction with the producer to bleed into the show (hence the excursions into violence and the 5th/6th Doctors mistreating their companions), and Cartmel misunderstood the character of the Dr, and sowed the seeds for a lot of the issues with the new series (e.g. relentlessly deifying the Dr).
That's kind of nonsense as the show still continues whereas it did die after 7th Doctor's run suffering terrible ratings and then revived decades later. The highest rating years was during the 4th Doctor's run in the 70s. Getting to that level again would be insane, but I doubt it could be done with today's talent.
@@wallacewallaby5782 Agreed. Never liked the 2005 reboot. The science fiction ideas are not interesting. It is not really science fiction. It is more of a fantasy melodrama. There is nothing inventive in the reboot since 2005. Can you remember any of the villains? Neither can I. Modern Doctor Who would not be remembered had it not been able to piggyback off the creativity of the original show. The scripts really peaked under Pertwee. Anything after the first 4 doctors was a noticeable decline.
@@wallacewallaby5782Yes. I remember Michael Grade pulling the plug on the show due to poor ratings but the bad ratings was due to Doctor Who being shown the same time as Coronation Street on itv . Both Sylvester and Sophie were a brilliant match. I also loved the idea of making the Doctor a mystery man. Doctor, who are you? asks Ace at the end of Silver Nemesis.
@wallacewallaby5782 the show was placed opposite Coronation Street and given less publicity. Considering how much more watchable McCoy's era is to a lot of the modern show (2005-present), says a lot more about the actual story ideas and acting, even if it feels more stageplay at times. Modern Who has too often been style over substance and about the visual effects, music, and sonic screwdriver waving to drive the stories. The show got lucky with Tom Baker. The show was always eccentric sci-fi, but Tom had a unique magic that nobody has been able to replicate, nor should try. It didn't go downhill after he left, most casual viewers just wanted Tom. That's not a blame, either.
@@ShamrockParticle Tom had the benefit of strong writing from Holmes and Philip Hinchcliffe. Once they left, the show and Tom became virtually unwatchable.
I've met Sophie, she's lovely, Mr McCoy was sat next to her quietly sipping a cup of tea.
Sophie Aldred 💖💖💖💖💖💖
I love the Seventh Doctor.
He's in the King's Arms pub
that excerpt would have taken from Unreleased VHS Doctor Who The McCoy Years on 26th February 1995
No, it's from the Bill Baggs VHS documentary.
I’ve been looking for this doc. What is the title exactly?
It was from a special called “The Doctors” which from around 1993
@@brozotesreally nice find, thanks!
Thereve been many little overview vignettes covering Doctors since, but this one feels the most real. The fact they don't need to drown the piece with background music really proves it.
Lovely; natural; human….. These things will return to televisual media; the death throes of the showbiz beast are expressing with increasing intensity ~ Soon the silence will arrive & great relief will be experienced across the globe ::
Мои хорошие ну как же я их люблю😭🥺😭❤️😭🥺😭❤️😭❤️😭🥺😭❤️😭❤️😭❤️😭🥺😭😭🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
JNT killed the show.
That was the idea... It's why they kept him. If they wanted to fix it they would of changed it in no time. No accident I think waited till he was dead to bring it back as he couldn't let go either.
That's a very ignorant and naive opinion.
Michael Grade killed the show.
JNT wanted to leave since season 20. It's been documented many times. He agreed to stay on for season 21 in exchange to do the 20th anniversary special.
There's a not of nonfiction work pre-2005 and dvd documentaries on the mid-late 80s stories that piece the whole situation. It's a lot to go through, sure, roughly 22 stories or so, but the making-of documentaries alone tell a lot of great info...
@@kevinchun5242they only revived the show because the 2000s were reviving lots of long-dead shows as that's often not as risky as doing something radically different, which JNT was arguably trying in the 80s
Where is this from?
Doctor Who: The Doctors - 30 Years of Time Travel
In welchem Jahr wurde dies produziert?
1993
@@brozotes thank you very much.
JNT killed the show. Revisionist fans may try to rewrite history but all the changes he instigated to the show especially the theme music, titles, incidental music (which I believe are quite pivotal) and tone of the overall show were badly received by the general public from the start of his tenure. JNT quite simply had appalling taste which greatly affected his decision making. If in doubt, don't listen to the revisionist fans but the true professionals like Verity Lambert who thought the show became "silly" under JNT and Sidney Newman, ruclips.net/user/shorts4K4UMJp-v6k
no, that was BBC controller who hated, hated the show.
@@purefoldnz3070 He hated the JNT version of the show. GET REAL
@@Quietstormusic nope. Caps lock doesnt change a damn thing.
There's some truth all around, honestly.
The trouble with JNT is that, in spite of his merits as a production manager, he really didn't have any understanding or appreciation of what constituted a good script, and he mistook the hardcore fanbase for the audience, hence the endless back-references and returning monsters in attempt to win over fans with nostalgia (sound familiar?). He's not entirely responsible for the decline, though. All three of his cronies have to shoulder some of the blame - Bidmead took the science aspect way too seriously, Saward allowed his dissatisfaction with the producer to bleed into the show (hence the excursions into violence and the 5th/6th Doctors mistreating their companions), and Cartmel misunderstood the character of the Dr, and sowed the seeds for a lot of the issues with the new series (e.g. relentlessly deifying the Dr).
JNT didn't kill the show that was down to Chibnall when he took over, if RTD can salvage the show from the past four years it will be a miracle.
That's kind of nonsense as the show still continues whereas it did die after 7th Doctor's run suffering terrible ratings and then revived decades later. The highest rating years was during the 4th Doctor's run in the 70s. Getting to that level again would be insane, but I doubt it could be done with today's talent.
@@wallacewallaby5782 Agreed. Never liked the 2005 reboot.
The science fiction ideas are not interesting. It is not really science fiction. It is more of a fantasy melodrama.
There is nothing inventive in the reboot since 2005.
Can you remember any of the villains?
Neither can I.
Modern Doctor Who would not be remembered had it not been able to piggyback off the creativity of the original show.
The scripts really peaked under Pertwee. Anything after the first 4 doctors was a noticeable decline.
@@wallacewallaby5782Yes. I remember Michael Grade pulling the plug on the show due to poor ratings but the bad ratings was due to Doctor Who being shown the same time as Coronation Street on itv . Both Sylvester and Sophie were a brilliant match. I also loved the idea of making the Doctor a mystery man. Doctor, who are you? asks Ace at the end of Silver Nemesis.
@wallacewallaby5782 the show was placed opposite Coronation Street and given less publicity. Considering how much more watchable McCoy's era is to a lot of the modern show (2005-present), says a lot more about the actual story ideas and acting, even if it feels more stageplay at times. Modern Who has too often been style over substance and about the visual effects, music, and sonic screwdriver waving to drive the stories.
The show got lucky with Tom Baker. The show was always eccentric sci-fi, but Tom had a unique magic that nobody has been able to replicate, nor should try. It didn't go downhill after he left, most casual viewers just wanted Tom. That's not a blame, either.
@@ShamrockParticle Tom had the benefit of strong writing from Holmes and Philip Hinchcliffe. Once they left, the show and Tom became virtually unwatchable.
"This is when we ended the series" Yes you did. It was pathetic