If you're wondering if I really takeoff with the open spoilers, the answer is yes. During flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
may be something with controllers? actually this thing can reduce aoa because you use more power for same speed, and this can help, but.... i thought it's something about engine temperature:) low speed need more turbine rpm actually and this opened things can moves out some heat, i guess:) but i really don't know, never read about that.
@@einherz Yes, it could be the controls that were too sensitive or the MSFS flight model itself, which in many planes is not realistic during taxi, takeoff and landing.
@@FlightSim_Experience in my case all good, i much less accurate pilot than you, believe me:) she take off like usual and landing like usual, if trim good, speed good. check your controls and settings probably
@@NeroontheGoon come on man. that thing in controls set as spoilers for spoilers and airbrakes. don't push asobo to create another mapping, as they does with separate boosters for heli that could set on the same trim for fix wing, then they add big messy condition lever, that could live on mixture, they add heli throttle, that could live as always had on rpm... they even add prop pitch... yes that all different things, but one general axis that can move prop pitch and set rpm and heli throttle can used in different models by different ways. as spoilers and airbrakes does. because of that separate and word concretize we now need to create different profiles, because some models glitchy, because they add that nonsense separate crap. they could create one axis and call it mixture/condition or prop pitch/rpm/heli throttle. and now you give them idea to create new bug shit with airbrakes separate from spoilers.
F104 Starfighter. Designed and first flown in the late 1950's. By the early 60's it became the first jet to incorporate the General Electric J,-79 augmented turbojet. The engine and the plane were designed for mach 2+. It was the first jet to test and use the Vulcan 20mm rotary cannon. It was the first fighter to have fully blown flaps (boundery control system). It was the first production fighter accepted into US service capable of mach 2. The US Airforce had no idea what to do with it but they wanted some. It could take off, climb to 30,000ft in less than two minutes, while hurtling towards a target over 100 miles away, kill it, and be wheels down back at the airbase in less than twenty minutes. Very stable at high speeds, and very fast, even at low altitude. Even todays modern fighters would be hard pressed to catch it. It remained in production until the early 1980's and served well past the turn of the century. Not bad for an obsolete 1950's hot rod. But..she had rules. You don't follow those rules, you crash. Even with the boundary layer control system, she had a high stall speed, and exceeding 5° angle of attack could tumble the Starfighter. No recovery was possible, and the early models had downward firing ejection seats. Only disciplined pilots and an experienced ground crew could make this machine relatively safe. Remember, only Germany had a huge problem with the plane. Even so, they kept flying them because the Starfighter was the cheapest mach 2 fighter option for them, and many other European nations. These small countries found this plane's blistering acceleration and top speed, and agreeable price tag worth the short range. Watch Discovery Wings F104 Documentary. It was awesome. It was dangerous. It was fast.
Yes But Germany used it as a multi roll aircraft something it was not designed for as one of the Century series it was designed as an out and out Bomber interceptor in the same way the F4 Phantom was. and soon that doctrine would prove to be a major issue once the USA was at War in Vietnam and Dog Fighting returned. But the Starfighter is another Ground breaking design from Kelly Johnson's Lockheed team who gave us some of the greatest planes ever to fly.
In Germany we have many nicknames for this Aircraft like „Supersonicprothesis“ or „Widowmaker“. But it keeps on being one of the most fascinating Jets! I saw one last weekend in the airplane Collection of the „Deutsches Museum“ in Munich. A beautiful rocket disguised as a airplane.
I would argue that in it's intended role as an interceptor it wasn't really any more dangerous than other contemporary fighters. The problem was that so many countries tried to shoehorn it into the role of a fighter-bomber. I have never been able to understand how anyone could even look at this aircraft and imagine that was something it could be well-suited for (Unless I was a German politician looking looking at it next to a briefcase full of cash being held by a Lockheed exec).
Reminds me of my Grandfather. Nearly ended him, but he adored it. Same with my Dad, who talked about hearing the Howl when he grew up across all of Canada's air bases.
@@michaeldenesyk3195 The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
My dad flew these in the USAF, and it was his favorite out of everything he flew. He was an IP at Luke in the late 70's and 80's teaching Luftwaffe pilots how to respect the plane so they wouldn't crash. It was in this exact squadron marked on the plane (69th TFTS). He and Eric Hartmann worked on changing the culture within the Luftwaffe. They were apparently too complacent to fly it well simply because they were Luftwaffe pilots.
My dad flew them too for the RCAF in Europe in the mid-sixties. He was in 441 Squadron and they were equipped with a center line camera pod for low level recce.
Must say it Looks Amazing! Very realistic! And I like the way u made the video with no talking or bs music just get to enjoy the sounds of the plane. Thumbs up bro.
Still one of the most beautiful planes ever designed. I can only imagine what it could do if you put a F110-132 in it. It would would absolutely scream! (Before anyone starts, I am not getting down in the weeds of the feasibility of this. Intake inlet size, airframe strength, controls, the fact that there are hardly any flying examples of f-104s in existence make it an impossible mental exercise only)
Nice landing. I fly the F-104 in DCS and it's a real challenge and takes 100% concentration every flight. In the DCS flight model, taking off with speed brakes out would introduce you to the end of the runway PDQ. :)
You may have done a speed-brake launch in a sim, but in the real world that would have put you nose-in at the end of the runway. Having been involved with the last civilian owned F-104 based at KIWA in Arizona, that's just another example of how completely inaccurate sims actually are. The Starfighter wasn't inherently unstable, but the US didn't do a good enough job instructing other countries like Germany on it's proper operation, both on the ground and in the air. For example: The procedure prior to EVERY launch was to bleed the hydraulic system prior to taxi-out. That sucked up tons of fuel so for the USAF it wasn't uncommon to have a "hot-fueling" done at the end of the runway after typical startup if the sortie was to be max duration. Another literally unknown about the 104's systems, was that on landing you HAD to keep power-on, not because of needing extra speed but if the engine dropped below 60% percent RPM the hydraulic pressure would become un-balanced from left-to-right, and the left aileron would droop down, causing an uncommanded roll to the right. That seemingly insignificant information is what almost killed the owner of the once AZ-based 104 on landing (the very day we met for the first time way back in 2010) who, upon a return trip flying over the Grand Canyon was on short final at KIWA, pulled back the power to almost idle, got squirrely and made a go-around. On the second attempt did the same thing, pulled power just before touchdown, this time the roll was much harder and the a/c started running off the runway into the dirt. If it hadn't been for the cat-like reflexes of the owner, a former USN fighter pilot, who firewalled the throttle and got her back in the air for an emergency landing, that would have been his last flight. I can't speak to how accurate or not the flight dynamics of the simulated 104 is, but if you can't liftoff without artificially using airbrakes, then you need to learn it's flight dynamics and fly it right. It's an ultra-high performance jet, designed to be a Mach-2 plus interceptor. It's not forgiving like an F-16 which practically flies itself. Learn the systems - properly - and you'll enjoy how it flies.
Wasn't this the plane used in the Star Trek episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday?" The F104 was sent to intercept a UFO which turned out to be the Enterprise in low Earth orbit?
Nice touch - they actually modeled the horrendous exhaust plume of the early gas-guzzling GE J-79. You really didn't need radar in that era to spot your opponent. The trailing thick black smoke of the jet exhaust was a dead givaway of your position. I read somewhere every time a 50's-60's era SAC bomber (as in B-47 or B-52) took to the skies an entire forest in Brazil died within hours. Nice nose profile shot during dusk landing with full moon in the background.
@@sonorousbelchpipe1021 Ya, bombers take off in America and a forest in Brazil dies? The idiocy of that statement hurts my brain. What kind of epic fuckery are you reading, some sort of tripe and drivel from some douche bag environmentalist? a climate clown? please, enlighten us,inquiring minds want to know.
Do you realize how this plane is so fast? Literally you'd need a flight control system of the F16 to make it stable. Flown in the early 60's. That's why it's The Widow Maker.
Have you had an issue with the pitch and roll not working after maybe maneuvering it too hard? Both this and the TF-104 do it and I have no idea if its a glitch with the plane or something that's intended to be modeled in the plane. But yeah, if you pitch too hard just once it's controls all give out and I've yet to find away to fix it without completely restarting the flight
@@Schwxrzritter I don't remember having this problem, but it seems to be something related to the flight dynamics of the F-104 within the MSFS. Have you ever used the "stabilizer" button that is just below the switch that starts the engines to see if it returns to normal?
@FlightSim_Experience I haven't tried it that I know of yet, I've looked on google for the in game plane as well as any real life examples of this happening and haven't seen anything specific. I just want to know if it's a product problem or an actual F-104 quirk. I'm gonna fire it up right now and try to recreate it and try your suggestion 🫡
I always loved the look of this aircraft. After we decommissioned them many were transferred to NATO nations. The Italians were still flying them in the 90s.
We would always aim to land at 180 kts, but sometimes higher depending on how much fuel was left on board....but the 180 to 200 zone was pretty normal.
A strategic air craft fighter designed as a nuclear possible bomber in ''Cold War'' eras but finally has been proved a diedly ''flying machine'' with many crashes cause of ''loss flying support'' effect in manouvers at some ranges of speed. Very fast and powerfull but so difficult craft in management
@@Lee78072 Thank you! The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
Do you always leave your air breaks open on take off and while in flight?...I read your statement about the air breaks. You made me thankful that I was with an A-7E squadron instead.
@@streetrace442 During takeoff, the problem was probably with my joystick, which was very sensitive. However, after takeoff and in some other scenes where the air brakes were activated, it wasn't because of a problem, but because I didn't want to reach very high speeds while recording the video. The purpose of this video is to be cinematic only, and the flight I chose has a short route. Leaving the plane at maximum speed would make me arrive too quickly, not giving me time to do all the cinematographic recording. Watching the video, it looks like I took off and did the entire flight with the air brakes open, but to make the video well edited, I need to remove many scenes so that the video doesn't get tiring to watch, at the same time I leave scenes that call attention and don't make people skip the video or leave it without having liked it.
@einherz The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
Great video. Lots of details. I don’t understand why a demo of this stunning aircraft would be flown around like a Cessna 172? It is designed to cruse at Mach 1.7, 70,000 feet. Actual spec were confidential. It’s a hot rod. This was like a demo of a Ferrari on a Sunday cruse. Still, I liked it. Is the simulator not capable?
The idea of the video was exactly that. The route I chose for the flight is short; So, if I climbed to 70,000 feet and reached maximum speed, there wouldn't be time to do cinematic takes. See this as if it were a Ferrari being filmed for a movie clip.
@@enricogualtieri8511 Thank you! Directly next to the power lever there is a click spot that will open the Checklist on the screen. Or if you prefer, use the shortcut Control+Shift+J
Great video! I have just subscribed to your channel 😀 Would you please tell what S/W you used to 1. Record flight and 2. To edit that recording. Many thanks.
@@einherz The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
The rocket like rocket. Low drag plane. I think, how will this plane with modern materals?(This plane deserve remake) Modern engine, modern dijital cockpit, carbon fiber and composites lightweight materals...etc. No fuel tanks of course...(Fuel tanks and other bombs are doing to widow maker)
how did this aircraft fly with such short wings, partially blocked by pods underneath? No wonder there were so many crashes… ChatGPT answered my question in detail actually
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
@@FlightSim_Experience The flight model for the 104g in DCS is very well done by the VSN guys and follows the published data curves quite well...however, it suffers from the limitations of the unclickable cockpit and like the MSFS model, the accelerations are not quite right. It would be very good if someone would develop a full fidelity model with working cockpit for DCS.
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
If you're wondering if I really takeoff with the open spoilers, the answer is yes. During flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
may be something with controllers? actually this thing can reduce aoa because you use more power for same speed, and this can help, but.... i thought it's something about engine temperature:) low speed need more turbine rpm actually and this opened things can moves out some heat, i guess:) but i really don't know, never read about that.
@@einherz Yes, it could be the controls that were too sensitive or the MSFS flight model itself, which in many planes is not realistic during taxi, takeoff and landing.
@@FlightSim_Experience in my case all good, i much less accurate pilot than you, believe me:) she take off like usual and landing like usual, if trim good, speed good. check your controls and settings probably
How about NOT calling them spoilers and actually calling them what they are, those are AIRBRAKES!
@@NeroontheGoon come on man. that thing in controls set as spoilers for spoilers and airbrakes. don't push asobo to create another mapping, as they does with separate boosters for heli that could set on the same trim for fix wing, then they add big messy condition lever, that could live on mixture, they add heli throttle, that could live as always had on rpm... they even add prop pitch... yes that all different things, but one general axis that can move prop pitch and set rpm and heli throttle can used in different models by different ways. as spoilers and airbrakes does. because of that separate and word concretize we now need to create different profiles, because some models glitchy, because they add that nonsense separate crap. they could create one axis and call it mixture/condition or prop pitch/rpm/heli throttle. and now you give them idea to create new bug shit with airbrakes separate from spoilers.
F104 Starfighter. Essentially a missile with a man strapped to the front.
Congratulations, now you understand why one if it's nicknames was the "Missile with a Man in it"
In Italy we call it: “The Flyng coffin “
F104 Starfighter. Designed and first flown in the late 1950's. By the early 60's it became the first jet to incorporate the General Electric J,-79 augmented turbojet. The engine and the plane were designed for mach 2+. It was the first jet to test and use the Vulcan 20mm rotary cannon. It was the first fighter to have fully blown flaps (boundery control system). It was the first production fighter accepted into US service capable of mach 2. The US Airforce had no idea what to do with it but they wanted some. It could take off, climb to 30,000ft in less than two minutes, while hurtling towards a target over 100 miles away, kill it, and be wheels down back at the airbase in less than twenty minutes. Very stable at high speeds, and very fast, even at low altitude. Even todays modern fighters would be hard pressed to catch it. It remained in production until the early 1980's and served well past the turn of the century. Not bad for an obsolete 1950's hot rod.
But..she had rules. You don't follow those rules, you crash. Even with the boundary layer control system, she had a high stall speed, and exceeding 5° angle of attack could tumble the Starfighter. No recovery was possible, and the early models had downward firing ejection seats.
Only disciplined pilots and an experienced ground crew could make this machine relatively safe.
Remember, only Germany had a huge problem with the plane. Even so, they kept flying them because the Starfighter was the cheapest mach 2 fighter option for them, and many other European nations. These small countries found this plane's blistering acceleration and top speed, and agreeable price tag worth the short range.
Watch Discovery Wings F104 Documentary. It was awesome. It was dangerous. It was fast.
Yes But Germany used it as a multi roll aircraft something it was not designed for as one of the Century series it was designed as an out and out Bomber interceptor in the same way the F4 Phantom was. and soon that doctrine would prove to be a major issue once the USA was at War in Vietnam and Dog Fighting returned. But the Starfighter is another Ground breaking design from Kelly Johnson's Lockheed team who gave us some of the greatest planes ever to fly.
@@clockdva20 The USAF F-104C was a multi-role aircraft. The original Starfighter was designed as an air superiority fighter, not an interceptor.
The widow maker, next to F4 and F15 one of the most iconic planes of childhood.
When they were introduced in Canada in the early sixties pilots had to have a minimum of 1,000 hours in the F-86.
(Boundary Layer Control) BLC
In Germany we have many nicknames for this Aircraft like „Supersonicprothesis“ or „Widowmaker“. But it keeps on being one of the most fascinating Jets!
I saw one last weekend in the airplane Collection of the „Deutsches Museum“ in Munich. A beautiful rocket disguised as a airplane.
We use the same nickname in Italy like yours "widowmaker" which we say "crea vedove" or "spillone" (big pin) or "cigar" for the typical shape.
I would argue that in it's intended role as an interceptor it wasn't really any more dangerous than other contemporary fighters. The problem was that so many countries tried to shoehorn it into the role of a fighter-bomber. I have never been able to understand how anyone could even look at this aircraft and imagine that was something it could be well-suited for (Unless I was a German politician looking looking at it next to a briefcase full of cash being held by a Lockheed exec).
Reminds me of my Grandfather. Nearly ended him, but he adored it. Same with my Dad, who talked about hearing the Howl when he grew up across all of Canada's air bases.
Taking off with the airbrakes deployed is definitely NOT in the flight manual for the real F-104, or any other jet or propellor-driven aircraft.
@@michaeldenesyk3195 The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
My dad flew these in the USAF, and it was his favorite out of everything he flew. He was an IP at Luke in the late 70's and 80's teaching Luftwaffe pilots how to respect the plane so they wouldn't crash. It was in this exact squadron marked on the plane (69th TFTS). He and Eric Hartmann worked on changing the culture within the Luftwaffe. They were apparently too complacent to fly it well simply because they were Luftwaffe pilots.
My dad flew them too for the RCAF in Europe in the mid-sixties. He was in 441 Squadron and they were equipped with a center line camera pod for low level recce.
Very Cool! It's such a beautiful aircraft. You flew it like a pro mate. Nice one 👍
Thank you!
Must say it Looks Amazing! Very realistic! And I like the way u made the video with no talking or bs music just get to enjoy the sounds of the plane.
Thumbs up bro.
Thank you!
My dad would have loved this so much.
It’s hard to believe how real that looks. He definitely would have loved it. 🐾✌️🇺🇸
Absolutely perfection, amazing editing skills and the aircraft itself is just beyond beautiful, nice job!
@@mrshar1000 Thank you!
Well, that was epic - love it, scariest thing I've ever seen - 200 kts approach speed!
That was a low approach in my humble....but you knew right where to be for touchdown. beautiful flight. thanks for sharing
Absolutely Badass! The camera work and the sweet howl is beautiful. I gotta take my F-104 for a spin now 😉
Thank you!
Still one of the most beautiful planes ever designed. I can only imagine what it could do if you put a F110-132 in it. It would would absolutely scream! (Before anyone starts, I am not getting down in the weeds of the feasibility of this. Intake inlet size, airframe strength, controls, the fact that there are hardly any flying examples of f-104s in existence make it an impossible mental exercise only)
Nice to know there are a few operational Starfighters in Florida. They come out only on occasion.
Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darknesses of other people.
Nice landing. I fly the F-104 in DCS and it's a real challenge and takes 100% concentration every flight. In the DCS flight model, taking off with speed brakes out would introduce you to the end of the runway PDQ. :)
You fly the F104 in DCS? How would that be? Is it a third party mod?
There isn't an F104 module.
You may have done a speed-brake launch in a sim, but in the real world that would have put you nose-in at the end of the runway. Having been involved with the last civilian owned F-104 based at KIWA in Arizona, that's just another example of how completely inaccurate sims actually are.
The Starfighter wasn't inherently unstable, but the US didn't do a good enough job instructing other countries like Germany on it's proper operation, both on the ground and in the air. For example:
The procedure prior to EVERY launch was to bleed the hydraulic system prior to taxi-out. That sucked up tons of fuel so for the USAF it wasn't uncommon to have a "hot-fueling" done at the end of the runway after typical startup if the sortie was to be max duration.
Another literally unknown about the 104's systems, was that on landing you HAD to keep power-on, not because of needing extra speed but if the engine dropped below 60% percent RPM the hydraulic pressure would become un-balanced from left-to-right, and the left aileron would droop down, causing an uncommanded roll to the right.
That seemingly insignificant information is what almost killed the owner of the once AZ-based 104 on landing (the very day we met for the first time way back in 2010) who, upon a return trip flying over the Grand Canyon was on short final at KIWA, pulled back the power to almost idle, got squirrely and made a go-around. On the second attempt did the same thing, pulled power just before touchdown, this time the roll was much harder and the a/c started running off the runway into the dirt. If it hadn't been for the cat-like reflexes of the owner, a former USN fighter pilot, who firewalled the throttle and got her back in the air for an emergency landing, that would have been his last flight.
I can't speak to how accurate or not the flight dynamics of the simulated 104 is, but if you can't liftoff without artificially using airbrakes, then you need to learn it's flight dynamics and fly it right. It's an ultra-high performance jet, designed to be a Mach-2 plus interceptor. It's not forgiving like an F-16 which practically flies itself. Learn the systems - properly - and you'll enjoy how it flies.
Love it. Man I wish we had this when I was younger and had time to sim!
Thank you!
Very nice cinematography!
Thank you!
One of the best videos I've seen on mfs, great editing
Thank you!
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Welcome to the real Formula 1 guys.
4:07 That's just beautiful...
Wasn't this the plane used in the Star Trek episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday?" The F104 was sent to intercept a UFO which turned out to be the Enterprise in low Earth orbit?
yeah it was!
Ah, a man of culture! 🖖😀
Cool to hear the J79 sound!
Nice touch - they actually modeled the horrendous exhaust plume of the early gas-guzzling GE J-79. You really didn't need radar in that era to spot your opponent. The trailing thick black smoke of the jet exhaust was a dead givaway of your position.
I read somewhere every time a 50's-60's era SAC bomber (as in B-47 or B-52) took to the skies an entire forest in Brazil died within hours.
Nice nose profile shot during dusk landing with full moon in the background.
Thank you!
@@sonorousbelchpipe1021 Ya, bombers take off in America and a forest in Brazil dies? The idiocy of that statement hurts my brain. What kind of epic fuckery are you reading, some sort of tripe and drivel from some douche bag environmentalist? a climate clown? please, enlighten us,inquiring minds want to know.
Do you realize how this plane is so fast? Literally you'd need a flight control system of the F16 to make it stable. Flown in the early 60's. That's why it's The Widow Maker.
Boa tarde meu amigo mitológico parabéns pelo joinha garantido tmj 🤗 😊
Muito obrigado!
Ah the F-104, that's the aircraft static display that outside of my basic training barracks.
Stunningly beautiful aircraft
Have you had an issue with the pitch and roll not working after maybe maneuvering it too hard? Both this and the TF-104 do it and I have no idea if its a glitch with the plane or something that's intended to be modeled in the plane. But yeah, if you pitch too hard just once it's controls all give out and I've yet to find away to fix it without completely restarting the flight
@@Schwxrzritter I don't remember having this problem, but it seems to be something related to the flight dynamics of the F-104 within the MSFS. Have you ever used the "stabilizer" button that is just below the switch that starts the engines to see if it returns to normal?
@FlightSim_Experience I haven't tried it that I know of yet, I've looked on google for the in game plane as well as any real life examples of this happening and haven't seen anything specific. I just want to know if it's a product problem or an actual F-104 quirk. I'm gonna fire it up right now and try to recreate it and try your suggestion 🫡
I always loved the look of this aircraft. After we decommissioned them many were transferred to NATO nations. The Italians were still flying them in the 90s.
This Ace Combat 8 demo is looking pretty sweet 👍
90% RPM, 190-200 knots during final. Not bad. I usually had 86% RPM and 170 knots.
We would always aim to land at 180 kts, but sometimes higher depending on how much fuel was left on board....but the 180 to 200 zone was pretty normal.
It's amazing that you can fly even if your wings are small.
You can tell how cool a plane is by the number of dials switches knobs and gizmos
And why are you taking off with your brakes extended ?
I left the explanation in the pinned comment. But it was a problem I had with my joystick during takeoff.
A strategic air craft fighter designed as a nuclear possible bomber in ''Cold War'' eras but finally has been proved a diedly ''flying machine'' with many crashes cause of ''loss flying support'' effect in manouvers at some ranges of speed. Very fast and powerfull but so difficult craft in management
Même lorsque j'étais élève à Cognac, sur Fouga Magister, je n'ai jamais vu quelqu'un décollé avec les aérofreins ouverts !
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This is a magnificent airplane video! Very realistic!
@@alexsky88749 Thank you!
The Spanish Air Force was the only one to operate the F-104 without a single loss
I have this DLC, couldn't have picked a better one
Absolutly Beatiful. Love it. But why are the Airbrakes out all the time? A Game Glitch?
@@Lee78072 Thank you! The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
@@FlightSim_Experience Ah thats why. Anyway your Video is really great. Alot of great Atmosphere.
nice video
Thank you!
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Airbrakes… Airbrakes ❤
Why do he opens the airbrakes during takeoff?
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
One who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.
Do you always leave your air breaks open on take off and while in flight?...I read your statement about the air breaks. You made me thankful that I was with an A-7E squadron instead.
@@streetrace442 During takeoff, the problem was probably with my joystick, which was very sensitive. However, after takeoff and in some other scenes where the air brakes were activated, it wasn't because of a problem, but because I didn't want to reach very high speeds while recording the video. The purpose of this video is to be cinematic only, and the flight I chose has a short route. Leaving the plane at maximum speed would make me arrive too quickly, not giving me time to do all the cinematographic recording. Watching the video, it looks like I took off and did the entire flight with the air brakes open, but to make the video well edited, I need to remove many scenes so that the video doesn't get tiring to watch, at the same time I leave scenes that call attention and don't make people skip the video or leave it without having liked it.
Nice video. :)
Thank you!
um... AIR BRAKES?????
@einherz The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
@@FlightSim_Experience AH!! thank you sorry!!! I was like close the air brakes and go fast!! lol
70 years later, we are still making vids and simulations of this plane. Testament to its memory. One problem, that's modern day Vegas, not 1960 Vegas.
Great video. Lots of details. I don’t understand why a demo of this stunning aircraft would be flown around like a Cessna 172? It is designed to cruse at Mach 1.7, 70,000 feet. Actual spec were confidential. It’s a hot rod. This was like a demo of a Ferrari on a Sunday cruse. Still, I liked it. Is the simulator not capable?
The idea of the video was exactly that. The route I chose for the flight is short; So, if I climbed to 70,000 feet and reached maximum speed, there wouldn't be time to do cinematic takes. See this as if it were a Ferrari being filmed for a movie clip.
@@FlightSim_Experience Thanks. Makes perfect sense. Great video.
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Thank you!
Why are the speed brakes still open during take off?
I left it in the description, but later discovered that it was a bug in my Joystick.
Hopefully a module for DCS becomes avail.
Beautiful video. How you get the checklist out? Thanks in advance
@@enricogualtieri8511 Thank you! Directly next to the power lever there is a click spot that will open the Checklist on the screen. Or if you prefer, use the shortcut Control+Shift+J
amazing live footage how did they get it?
Great video! I have just subscribed to your channel 😀 Would you please tell what S/W you used to 1. Record flight and 2. To edit that recording. Many thanks.
Thank you! To record I use Nvidia Shadowplay and to edit I use DaVinci Resolve.
why airbrake out? aha, i found in the your comment the answer. nice video:)
@@einherz The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
Slow down and enjoy life. It's not only the scenery you miss by going too fast you also miss the sense of where you are going and why.
The rocket like rocket. Low drag plane.
I think, how will this plane with modern materals?(This plane deserve remake) Modern engine, modern dijital cockpit, carbon fiber and composites lightweight materals...etc. No fuel tanks of course...(Fuel tanks and other bombs are doing to widow maker)
Thanks, I really enjoyed that. Beautiful aircraft, beautiful women…… always “high maintenance “ 😉
I wish the Air Force brought back brushed aluminum planes 😅
Taking off with activated air brakes is smart
I left the explanation in the pinned comment. But it was a problem I had with my joystick during takeoff.
The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order.
Why do you take off with your speed brakes out ?
I left the explanation in the pinned comment. But it was a problem I had with my joystick during takeoff.
She let the balloon float up into the air with her hopes and dreams.
Yet another mission oriented aircraft found outside its elements in MSFS.
And yet us casual players can get to play with it in an accessible sim. Isn't it a wonderful world?
how did this aircraft fly with such short wings, partially blocked by pods underneath? No wonder there were so many crashes… ChatGPT answered my question in detail actually
Ex military navy. I like it was very pressure why was Steve break always open now to take off and everything else speed break?
I left the explanation in the pinned comment. But it was a problem I had with my joystick during takeoff.
You know, then the PAPI indicates low enough, you are good on the one-o-four.
Just a question..what are your computer specs, if you dont mind.
I9-12900K
RTX 3090
32GB RAM
Was that the plane known as the Lawn Dart?
There are two versions from the same developer, which is the better one?
One version is a single seat and the other is a double seat.
Couldn't they have made the wings just a LITTLE more normally sized?
The F104 G ..
G for Germany.
Bob Calvert and the Star Fighters.
Where'd you find this plane?
It is for sale on the MSFS Marketplace.
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Dutch nickname: “vliegend rotje”, on the ground with covers over the leading edges to avoid being cut
“The flyng coffin” among italians. “The Fallus” Yukio Mishima 🫡
4 drop tanks, he must be going for a ride.
I think I see a plane over here with my name on it...
The more you know yourself, the more you forgive yourself.
speedbrake opened during takeoff ??
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
Super fast with a turn radius the size of Road Island.
take off with airbrake extend?
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
F-104 called also Widowmaker
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Is MS FS F104 better than DCS F104?
I don't know. I never flew the F-104 made for DCS.
@@FlightSim_Experience The flight model for the 104g in DCS is very well done by the VSN guys and follows the published data curves quite well...however, it suffers from the limitations of the unclickable cockpit and like the MSFS model, the accelerations are not quite right. It would be very good if someone would develop a full fidelity model with working cockpit for DCS.
Don't forget speed brakes!
I have never seen before take off with air brakes on!!!
I left the explanation in the pinned comment. But it was a problem I had with my joystick during takeoff.
If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace.
American fighter simbolo della Aeronautica Italiana.❤ P.S Why the aerobrakes are open during take off?
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
@@FlightSim_Experience I repeat: this is "an Italian airplane". I've never heard of this. Maybe a software "bug"?
Guessing we're ignoring the PAPI lights in the starfighter? 😅
The G version... again? Why not make the A or C version finally for a sim? 🤷♀🤷♀
i dont wanna be that guy , cause its a great vid but, what happened to the airbrakes?
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.
@@FlightSim_Experience huh...thats good info.
take-off with speed brakes is defenitely not a procedure in any aircraft
Why airbrakes deployed ????
The explanation is in the comment I left pinned, but during flight tests with the F-104 before recording this video, I had a lot of instability problems during takeoff: it always reached very high speeds or one of the wings fell to the sides. Of course this is one of the main features of the F-104; instability was normal for this plane, in addition to it being practically a 'rocket'. But when I takeoff with the spoilers open, I was able to drastically reduce the instability, making it much more stable and controllable, in addition to being able to maintain a speed of around 300 knots during the climb.