On the witch-king's ridiculously large mace

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • I had to extract this hilarious little clip with Lawrence Makoare as the witch-king of Angmar. Weta (Richard Taylor, Daniel Falconer and John Harding) discuss the designing of the oversized battle mace he carries in Return of the King.
    Hope you enjoy.

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  • @somedipshtinthecomments2507
    @somedipshtinthecomments2507 3 года назад +1761

    I love how basically every bad guy in Lotr was played by a bunch of big Maori guys who look like they could've been Wellington nightclub bouncers.
    **Witch-King Voice**
    "Nah mate, you're not gettin' in wearing trainers like that bro"

    • @click8708
      @click8708 2 года назад +54

      Happy hour replaced with "The Witch Kings hour"

    • @Misfits822
      @Misfits822 2 года назад +53

      Now I’m just imagining the witch king speaking like korg

    • @MrsNegative1
      @MrsNegative1 2 года назад +48

      Even funnier that a lot were played by the same guy. The actor who played the Witch King also was the Orc General Gothmog, the Uruk Leader Lurtz and Azogs son Bolg in one of the Hobbit movies!

    • @lachlanjames9320
      @lachlanjames9320 2 года назад +7

      Ah, a Taika fan. A fellow man of culture.

    • @soulpaua2097
      @soulpaua2097 2 года назад

      Lmfao, Fucking old Lawrence is a bloody unit hey.

  • @josephlafreniere1800
    @josephlafreniere1800 10 лет назад +3420

    "I ended up calling it Damned Heavy, 'cus it was- it was damned heavy."

    • @stoopidapples1596
      @stoopidapples1596 3 года назад +77

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    • @buzzndufun
      @buzzndufun 3 года назад +5

      @@stoopidapples1596 yes

    • @josephdoria5237
      @josephdoria5237 3 года назад +11

      @@stoopidapples1596 stonks

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      @abigail_yang 3 года назад +4

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    • @josephdoria5237
      @josephdoria5237 3 года назад +3

      @@abigail_yang stonks

  • @Shadow977
    @Shadow977 6 лет назад +3366

    "Some call it a mace, some call it a morning star" They're both wrong, 'cause that's clearly a flail.

    • @ze_rubenator
      @ze_rubenator 4 года назад +139

      @Mississippi Mike Like a lot of ancient/medieval weapons, these things weren't really categorised very neatly until relatively modern times. An actual medieval soldier would probably have called all of those maces.

    • @diddlenfiddle7311
      @diddlenfiddle7311 4 года назад +18

      I'm sure a flail is just a type of mace though

    • @ingokolb6871
      @ingokolb6871 3 года назад +76

      no its a dayum heavy

    • @supersasukemaniac
      @supersasukemaniac 3 года назад +11

      Morning Star is a flail

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 3 года назад +28

      @Mississippi Mike haha analogy fell apart a little bit considering revolving shotguns are a thing, ever heard of a street sweeper? Also the Mts255 is a revolving shotgun pistol.

  • @Deibodese
    @Deibodese 2 года назад +571

    Y’know, it was so appropriate for his character that I never noticed how comically oversized it actually is.

    • @Gunplabro
      @Gunplabro 2 года назад +44

      That flail has lived in my head rent free since I saw it in theaters and I basically love flails in any game now. Even though the flail is a ridiculously stupid weapon.

    • @Whimsy3692
      @Whimsy3692 Год назад +4

      I actually thought in the film, they could go maybe even a little bigger, lol.

    • @2011persol
      @2011persol Год назад +5

      @@Gunplabro me too, ive adopted the flail to roam my fantasies whenever i feel like....the design is just friggin awesome, its like a big laugh at Eowyn, telling her; "ha do you really think tht tiny wooden shield will hold up against my jagged mountain-size of a flail"!!!, (think again...)

    • @phillmoore1561
      @phillmoore1561 Год назад +1

      I did, and it always bugged me. Don't need to over-compensate and make things lose their gravitas by "bigger is better"

  • @kden9772
    @kden9772 8 лет назад +3081

    That witch king costume was amazing.

    • @generalerica4123
      @generalerica4123 3 года назад +43

      Everything about these movies was amazing.

    • @Moucheron1990
      @Moucheron1990 2 года назад +7

      It's absolutely one of my all-time favorite costumes from any movie. Super evil looking and menacing.

    • @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
      @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers 2 года назад +9

      It's a truly otherworldly and intimidating creature... although 1:40 demystifies the character slightly lol

    • @holysaintknight343
      @holysaintknight343 2 года назад +2

      He is one of the best characters

    • @sambafreak13
      @sambafreak13 Год назад +3

      The helmet/mask design alone was worth the Oscar. So frickin badass and scary,

  • @kodajolly2655
    @kodajolly2655 10 лет назад +2792

    If it was an ordinary guy swinging it, I would have been annoyed and it *would* have jarred(

    • @Angloth
      @Angloth 9 лет назад +226

      +Koda Jolly I feel the same way! Its THE WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR! who am i to judge?

    • @johanwindhART
      @johanwindhART 8 лет назад +80

      +Angloth yep. not just any 'weird wraith undead thingy'...

    • @AngelCakes1997
      @AngelCakes1997 8 лет назад +110

      You just see him bench pressing a car or two and we all just go "yeah I can believe it"

    • @Tasorius
      @Tasorius 6 лет назад +24

      The curse of fools who need things to make sense from the perspective of this world.

    • @danielskrivan6921
      @danielskrivan6921 5 лет назад +11

      @@johanwindhART The witchking of weird wraith undead thingies!

  • @Cthulhu013
    @Cthulhu013 10 лет назад +3608

    Great call by Peter. The thing is terrifying.

    • @Cthulhu013
      @Cthulhu013 3 года назад +25

      @nathan smith says a keyboard warrior

    • @doubledee8677
      @doubledee8677 3 года назад +42

      @nathan smith We're talking about the Witch-king's flail here, not your genitals.

    • @Tom-mk7nd
      @Tom-mk7nd 3 года назад +9

      The soundtrack does all the work, it saved the scene.

    • @Cthulhu013
      @Cthulhu013 3 года назад +12

      @nathan smith If somebody swung that at you, you'd bury yourself in shite.

    • @Cthulhu013
      @Cthulhu013 3 года назад +16

      @nathan smith There are definitely people who would be able to swing that. Just a few though. Anyways, it's fantasy land. When in doubt, magic.

  • @BigBadMonkey23
    @BigBadMonkey23 8 лет назад +6187

    It really is goofy looking in real life, but it seems less ridiculous in the film, since the person wielding the damn thing is a nine foot tall eldritch monster with a spiky crown.
    Context, y'know?

    • @lukasmisanthrop8557
      @lukasmisanthrop8557 8 лет назад +225

      completely agree, could not have said that better.

    • @gijsbrans2338
      @gijsbrans2338 7 лет назад +63

      Dylan Staats the witch king is human sized....
      I think you're confusing him with Sauron..

    • @colecossingham2192
      @colecossingham2192 7 лет назад +222

      If you compare him to Eowin he is obviously nine feet tall in the movie.

    • @gijsbrans2338
      @gijsbrans2338 7 лет назад +42

      Cole Cossingham its the camera angle, he is human sized

    • @gijsbrans2338
      @gijsbrans2338 7 лет назад +17

      Cole Cossingham he is a human how could he possibly actually be 9 ft tall

  • @MadSpectro7
    @MadSpectro7 9 лет назад +5453

    The chain actually makes it a flail.

    • @danielramsey6141
      @danielramsey6141 7 лет назад +220

      Mace and Flail have kinda been use Interchangably throughout history, so even though there is a correct termanology between the two, its not really a problem in context.

    • @Johndoe-gd4tb
      @Johndoe-gd4tb 6 лет назад +57

      Nobody cares dude

    • @Jordan-ob7nz
      @Jordan-ob7nz 5 лет назад +452

      ​@@Johndoe-gd4tb The supermajority who clicked on this video cares. It is a video about the Witch King's weapon of choice, people are here because they are interested in the details and specifics. No need for the attitude. Let nerds be nerdy.

    • @sythlorde
      @sythlorde 5 лет назад +10

      @channelnw its an ice cream popsicle who give a flying fluuuk

    • @whyjay9959
      @whyjay9959 4 года назад +40

      Yeah, and the spikes make it also a morningstar.

  • @Raptorman0205
    @Raptorman0205 4 года назад +624

    "...and you see the look on Eowyn's face when she sees it, she's terrified!"
    I'd be scared shitless if I was about to have a spiked cast iron ball half the size of my torso swung at my face too.
    Some real hardcore method acting going on there.

    • @lillyschehen9363
      @lillyschehen9363 3 года назад +23

      Yeah definitely! Remember Viggo breaking his toes, Orlando breaking two ribs, and the guy who plays Gimli dislocating his knee? 😂😂

    • @adonissherlock
      @adonissherlock 3 года назад +21

      @@lillyschehen9363 Also Viggo getting an actual metal knife thrown at his face

    • @dipdoopmahgoop5209
      @dipdoopmahgoop5209 2 года назад +7

      @@lillyschehen9363 Viggo also lost a tooth as well.

    • @jsullivan2112
      @jsullivan2112 2 года назад +5

      I don't think you know what method acting means.

    • @hntr98hr
      @hntr98hr 2 года назад +2

      @@jsullivan2112 what does it mean?

  • @theo-jamesmoulton2000
    @theo-jamesmoulton2000 3 года назад +808

    The thing that's cool about that Flail is it makes you aware of just how terrifyingly strong the Nazgul actually are. A normal human could never lift something like that.

    • @user-dd9dh9kw5c
      @user-dd9dh9kw5c 3 года назад +106

      Yes this is exactly why it actually works. The weapon isn't the focus its the terrifying monster wielding it like its a play thing that is terrifying.

    • @divinegon4671
      @divinegon4671 3 года назад +4

      The nazgul is the dragon, not the ghost guy

    • @iCeteaLemon123
      @iCeteaLemon123 3 года назад +118

      @@divinegon4671 uuuh no? the nazgul are the nine wraiths/kings. the dragon is a fellbeast

    • @divinegon4671
      @divinegon4671 3 года назад

      @@iCeteaLemon123 dude… go watch the movies again. You’ll be surprised how wrong you are.

    • @heliveruscalion9124
      @heliveruscalion9124 3 года назад +97

      @@divinegon4671 "The Nazgûl, introduced as Black Riders and also called Ringwraiths, Dark Riders, the Nine Riders, or simply the Nine, are fictional characters in J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth."

  • @EyebrowsGaming
    @EyebrowsGaming 11 лет назад +2227

    Something I love about the film over the books; when Eowyn fights the Witch King in the book, she's completely unafraid, and actually BOASTS that she's going to defeat him.
    In the film, she's FUCKING TERRIFIED. But she fights him anyway. That there is real courage. Not a lack of fear, but control of fear.

    • @PureSwedishViking
      @PureSwedishViking 4 года назад +234

      Proof that the movies did some things better than the books.

    • @EyebrowsGaming
      @EyebrowsGaming 3 года назад +388

      @@cactusmalone Dude, she kills him in the book. What are you on about, "girl power"?

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 3 года назад +264

      @@cactusmalone I mean she wins because of the witch kings hubris, clearly anyone could have killed the witch king and it didn’t need to literally be a woman.
      He just really thought he was invulnerable when he wasn’t.

    • @jmckendry84
      @jmckendry84 3 года назад +444

      @@cactusmalone in the book it's made clear that when Merry stabs the King first (as he does in the movie) that his blade affects the Witch King because it has some enchantment on it. This allows Eowyn to get her fatal stab in and kill him, taunting him first that the she will kill him despite the prophecy that no man can kill him, since she is not a man.
      In the book Merry gets his blade from a tomb in the Barrow-Downs, but in the film he is given one by Aragorn. In the films, therfore, the audience probably assumes he just has an ordinary blade, but in the books it is explained he has a special blade made many aged ago.
      The movie hints that something happens when Merry stabs him, as the blade evaporates, but it's more ambiguous. Despite that, the scene mostly sticks exactly to the book.
      Frankly I think you're just looking for a reason to be triggered. Are you so fragile that you feel threatened by a scene of female empowerment from a novel written more than half a century ago?

    • @yatsumleung8618
      @yatsumleung8618 3 года назад +97

      @@jmckendry84 in the movie Merry got given his blade by Galadriel in Lothlorien.

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- 5 лет назад +1560

    Prop artist: "How big do you want the mace?"
    Jackson: "Yes"

    • @TheOskiBoski
      @TheOskiBoski 3 года назад +2

      sauron's mace was bigger

    • @Estalarki
      @Estalarki 3 года назад +6

      @@TheOskiBoski sauron was also bigger.

    • @joekaput747
      @joekaput747 3 года назад +3

      @@Estalarki Peter: no, they're much too small. They need to be bigger

    • @JBTriple8
      @JBTriple8 3 года назад +1

      make it anime size

    • @RobertWF42
      @RobertWF42 3 года назад +2

      If we ever see Morgoth on screen I'm sure he'll have a ridiculously big weapon! :-)

  • @YodatheHobbit
    @YodatheHobbit 6 лет назад +425

    I hope the guy who played The Witch king here(plus Lurtz) is still getting work. He was so good in his roles. Brought great physicality.

    • @matthewmcguire523
      @matthewmcguire523 3 года назад +30

      Don't forget he played Gothmog too

    • @MamadNobari
      @MamadNobari Год назад +1

      @@matthewmcguire523 Wow they gave all the evil villain roles to the only black guy on the set💀

    • @dv4975
      @dv4975 Год назад +3

      @@MamadNobariWhy should there be more than one Black guy on set?

    • @remilenoir1271
      @remilenoir1271 Год назад +1

      ​@MamadNobari Well, the actor fits perfectly like that.
      There are no black characters in the Lord of the Rings, so it was clever to give a black actor a role that doesn't involve seeing his actual face.

    • @renesmeets3380
      @renesmeets3380 Год назад +3

      @@MamadNobari Are Maori black?

  • @hilarybenoit2926
    @hilarybenoit2926 8 лет назад +746

    Anyone else hear the actor in the Nazgul outfit say " Oh god"

    • @lunarcultist6214
      @lunarcultist6214 7 лет назад +124

      Witch-King himself would probably say that if he had to haul that thing around. Ghosts don't grow tired, but they do get frustrated.

    • @shozanhanma2709
      @shozanhanma2709 3 года назад +28

      @@lunarcultist6214 as I read your comments; I could picture him do his demon scream, and throw down the handle in angst LOL

    • @straightjacket308
      @straightjacket308 3 года назад +7

      @@shozanhanma2709 That's the funniest shit to picture in my head 🤣🤣🤣

    • @bud389
      @bud389 2 года назад +2

      @@lunarcultist6214 I doubt it, tossing that around would be like carrying a feather to him.

    • @lunarcultist6214
      @lunarcultist6214 2 года назад +3

      @@bud389 A feather the size of a barrel.

  • @riparianlife97701
    @riparianlife97701 10 лет назад +614

    A great director is one who can pre-visualize every scene, and ask for the tools he needs to make the shot work.

    • @johnmartinez7440
      @johnmartinez7440 3 года назад +28

      A better director might even give his team clearer instructions so they don't have to remake something 2-3 times...

    • @LevCallahan
      @LevCallahan 3 года назад +4

      @@johnmartinez7440 Exactly what I was gonna say.

    • @connielingus8385
      @connielingus8385 3 года назад +3

      ​@@johnmartinez7440 There was a flail on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a hobbit!

    • @alexbarron2876
      @alexbarron2876 2 года назад +7

      @@johnmartinez7440 He was a bit busy with a million other things. No one's perfect at communicating all the time.

  • @ninny65
    @ninny65 3 года назад +290

    I can imagine the thousands of years of waiting to use that thing in battle, the dark exuberance and pride of the witch-king as he basks in his own strength, living in the ecstasy of death - only to get destroyed in that very moment

    • @im_flat
      @im_flat 3 года назад +41

      I like to imagine he has a closet full of shit like this, like someone would have clothes he just has a bunch of oversized weapons. He picks which one to use depending on his mood

    • @nonegone7170
      @nonegone7170 2 года назад +1

      @@im_flat Makes sense, him saving his flashiest weapons for the big battle (flaming sword and the flail)

    • @maexslg-at
      @maexslg-at 2 года назад

      Morgul blqde was only when the audience was four hobbits and a man

  • @christiankrueger2330
    @christiankrueger2330 3 года назад +201

    The weapon says more about the wielder than anything else could - to wield a flail that massive means your either insane or incredibly powerful. Great scene, the terror on Eoweyns face is palpable, and very believable!

    • @leemon2677
      @leemon2677 3 года назад +6

      Probably both!

    • @Checkmate1138
      @Checkmate1138 2 года назад

      Witch king has a small peepee. He has to overcompensate, you know.

  • @loganmerrill1223
    @loganmerrill1223 3 года назад +23

    As Peter was swinging it:
    "You can not weild it, none of you can. There is only one Lord of the Mace, and he does not share handles!"

  • @shanetaylor5403
    @shanetaylor5403 3 года назад +77

    In all fairness, it actually made me more intimidated.
    Most of the reason real people _didn't_ have larger weapons was the weight. People just aren't strong enough to lug them around. So when I saw that thing I went "oh... So he's strong. Really strong."

  • @ravenf6
    @ravenf6 12 лет назад +291

    I especially loved the Witch King's reaction to that mace: "Oh god....."

  • @Raptorman0205
    @Raptorman0205 7 лет назад +72

    Honestly what made the scene believable and drew me in was Miranda Otto's fantastic acting on the set. Partially helped by the fact that they were literally swinging a cast iron ball the size of a small child at her mind you, but still she sold being legitimately terrified really well.

  • @ZerbanDaGreat1
    @ZerbanDaGreat1 14 лет назад +151

    When someone sees that, they don't go "That's just huge and impractical," they think, "Oh Jesus Fuck, that's going to whack me into a strato-cumulus cloud, isn't it?"

  • @michaelkeaton5394
    @michaelkeaton5394 3 года назад +177

    "I ended up calling it damn heavy, 'cause it was, it was damn heavy" lmao

    • @legionarybooks13
      @legionarybooks13 3 года назад +5

      That thing had "safety hazard" written all over it. I know they did endless rehearsals beforehand, but Miranda has said she didn't have a stunt double, and imagine if during one of the takes, she'd failed to duck in time. Makes me think the terror on her face was partly real. The actor playing the Witch King said in interviews he felt terrible, because they did so many takes and different shots (and only used like four), with Miranda taking a legit beating, leaving her in tears by the end of the day. I think an actual prop mace, like originally intended, would have worked better. The scene could have more action, with the Witch King smashing away, and perhaps toying with her a bit, giving the impression of Eowyn taking a severe thrashing, without Miranda actually getting beat to hell. I mean, the scene is impressive, but being such a huge fan of the books, I was expecting more and always felt it was too short.

    • @canobenitez
      @canobenitez 3 года назад +1

      @@legionarybooks13 "but being such a huge fan of the books" that right there tells me everything I need to know.

    • @gianna526
      @gianna526 3 года назад

      @@legionarybooks13 aren't you implying that you felt bad for Miranda? Why would you want the scene to be longer if it was hard for her? I love the books too but I'm so relieved they removed Eowyn's long dialog from the book. It works well in print but it'd drag out forever in the movie. There's no reason the scene would be any longer.

    • @legionarybooks13
      @legionarybooks13 3 года назад

      @@gianna526, what I meant was, had they used an actual prop mace instead of that ridiculously heavy flail, they could have made a slightly longer action scene (10 to 15 seconds on screen, maybe) without Miranda getting the crap beat out of her. And I agree that her monologue in the book was too long for film.

    • @CyberJellos
      @CyberJellos 2 года назад +1

      @@legionarybooks13 It was a prop mace, if it was solid iron, no one would have been able to lift the thing.

  • @DarkArtistKaiser
    @DarkArtistKaiser 10 лет назад +46

    The scene is a great example of showing and not telling.

  • @victorconway444
    @victorconway444 5 лет назад +39

    To be fair, if the mace was smaller and more realistic, people might've been skeptical that it could carry enough force to literally shatter her shield into splinters with one swing.

    • @twilight_lupinesilva4691
      @twilight_lupinesilva4691 5 лет назад +13

      Z 13883 Or there's the fact that the wielder is a giant possessed king who is now just an empty shell who serves as a physical manifestation of a demon's strength.

  • @MrScar1231
    @MrScar1231 6 лет назад +98

    “Either way I ended up calling it damned heavy, cause it was damn heavy...” LOLOL

  • @thedivinepotato518
    @thedivinepotato518 4 года назад +95

    The Witch King watching peter Jackson fumbling around with that thinking 'I need to hold this in one hand with my sword in the other' is a mood.

  • @nebraska124
    @nebraska124 2 года назад +6

    The ringwraith actor just slumping muttering "oh god" after holding that thing up is lowkey the best part of the video.

  • @trygveplaustrum4634
    @trygveplaustrum4634 3 года назад +33

    Watching the Witch King struggle to pick up his own flail is hilarious.

  • @atticusleeds3957
    @atticusleeds3957 7 лет назад +48

    It looks silly when you see a person holding it, but in the shots, it works. Sometimes things need to have distorted size for the sake of the shot. They had to make it too big for it to look normal in the shots with the Witch King; if they had made it normal, it would have looked too small.

  • @Helena-mh6ti
    @Helena-mh6ti 11 лет назад +126

    LOL hilarious how everyone is so focused on what his weapon is really called XD I read basically the same comment over 20 times.

  • @codyburgett7962
    @codyburgett7962 8 лет назад +229

    technically a mace doesnt have a chain its like saurons mace that weapon is called a flail

    • @FallenxMalo
      @FallenxMalo 8 лет назад +16

      Yes and you have to keep that thing in motion all the time or it's useless like shit.

    • @bud389
      @bud389 7 лет назад +10

      Technically, if it's as large and as heavy as the one that the Witch King uses, it doesn't need to be kept in motion, it only needs to have proper acceleration.

    • @Antiganos
      @Antiganos 7 лет назад +16

      They referred to it as a mace as it started design as a mace, (You can see the mace version in the video) but it became a flail by the time the design was finalized.

    • @chrismanuel9768
      @chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

      But also not all flails are chained. This is specifically a chained flail. Traditional flails do not have a chain at all, as the chain reduces the amount of force that can transfer from the wielder to the target.

    • @Leo.23232
      @Leo.23232 3 года назад +1

      @@FallenxMalo not true

  • @riparianlife97701
    @riparianlife97701 10 лет назад +831

    "It is ludicrously large, but it works because it's ludicrously large. I mean you see that thing, and you see the look on Eowin's face when she sees it... she's terrified!"
    Yeah. sounds like they're describing a porn scene.

    • @majormoe3678
      @majormoe3678 10 лет назад +106

      Makes me wonder if the Witch King is compensating with that thing...

    • @nonaes
      @nonaes 9 лет назад +27

      some women might find that exciting

    • @riparianlife97701
      @riparianlife97701 9 лет назад +49

      nonaes Someone needs to bleep the word "mace" and play the whole thing without video.

    • @chrisblu4104
      @chrisblu4104 9 лет назад +3

      Wow your just porn as hell

    • @AngelCakes1997
      @AngelCakes1997 8 лет назад +5

      +Major Moe Well he's got no body anymore. So yeah I guess XD

  • @jackbancroft7828
    @jackbancroft7828 10 лет назад +136

    Just to stop confusion.
    The witch king has a flail. a mace like object with the head being attached to a handle by a chain.
    A mace ( i think we all know what a mace is), is usually FLANGED not SPIKED
    a morning star is a spiked mace.

    • @gamewizard7562
      @gamewizard7562 10 лет назад +19

      A flail is a sub-class of mace, so to use the term mace is still accurate. A flail is also referred to as mace and chain, so the word mace refers to the head,not the entire weapon.

  • @StygianBlood
    @StygianBlood 3 года назад +13

    what I've learned having gone through the silmarilion is that seemingly excessively large flail head is perfectly sauron especially with his need to flaunt his power to induce fear in his enemies

  • @1987MartinT
    @1987MartinT 7 лет назад +52

    I love that thing. It really gives an impression of just how powerful the Witch-King is.

  • @PlaystationPedia
    @PlaystationPedia 12 лет назад +18

    Personally I think it was a stroke of brilliance making the mace ludicrously large, because it just reinforces the absolute terror that is "The Witch-King"
    It seems to me as if when Eowyn looks at the terrifyingly huge mace, she isn't only thinking "What a huge and terrifying mace that is" she is thinking "What kind of absolute terror wields such a ludicruously large mace for a weapon, this guy is some serious shit"

    • @NLBusiness391
      @NLBusiness391 Год назад +2

      100% agree. It’s the realization “this monster can actually USE that thing, what the hell am I even fighting??”. Just watched the extended trilogy through for the umpteenth time, I will NEVER grow tired of it. What I wouldn’t give for some new LOTR content that didn’t spit in the face of the fans. All of these garbage, cash grab follow ups to LOTR simply proves how timeless and unique the trilogy truly is

  • @justine4353
    @justine4353 3 года назад +5

    “The mace is a bit ridiculously large don’t you think?” Meanwhile a 18 story elephant rampages in the background.

  • @imminentrueage6400
    @imminentrueage6400 Год назад +3

    0:23 How nice of the Witch King to let Eowyn try the flail for herself before trying to turn her into a fine mist with it.

  • @Saberrex1
    @Saberrex1 3 года назад +9

    It's amazing to see the story behind this. Obviously, the flail looks ridiculous due to how massive it is in the behind the scenes footage, but then you look at the story and remember the Witch-King is this supernatural, armored warrior with strength to match an entire unit of men, and he can wield it with virtually no effort at all.

  • @artmartinez1704
    @artmartinez1704 8 лет назад +44

    Mace: Head & Handle. Flail: Head, Chain, & Handle... It's one simple difference... Idk y people never get it right!

    • @chase1146
      @chase1146 8 лет назад +1

      +Art Martinez yeah they never do get it right but unfortunately its one of those things where the majority of humanity gets it wrong

    • @Infinite_Jester
      @Infinite_Jester 8 лет назад

      I don't know if even medieval people really knew the difference. I'm sure a mace could be a hitting-thing that varied a lot, kind of how a crow's beak and lucerne and fauchard are all the same thing, really, and no one gave a shit even back in the day because there are literally thousands of variations.

    • @dropkabouter
      @dropkabouter 7 лет назад +3

      maby because 90% of the world has never heard of the word ''flail''

    • @gijsbrans2338
      @gijsbrans2338 7 лет назад +2

      Tripticket flails werent used or were extremely rare so most people had probably never heard of flails.

  • @vanndymaywho1910
    @vanndymaywho1910 2 года назад +4

    Just seeing the Witch King going “oh god” out of exhaustion from holding that thing up is hilarious.

  • @goblinslayer7096
    @goblinslayer7096 Год назад +1

    This is the ballsy direction that doesn't always pay off but when you get someone like Peter Jackson it becomes iconic and unforgettable.

  • @DezMarivette
    @DezMarivette 3 года назад +11

    Just rewatched it last week, and I STILL share Eowyn’s reaction of “DEAR GOD THAT IS TERRIFYING.” I love seeing these behind the scenes moments!! Truly a magical time 😁😁😁

  • @CaptainPikeachu
    @CaptainPikeachu 11 лет назад +10

    That art department made miniatures, models, weapons, armor, and props in great detail and mass quantity on a very tight schedule - you couldn't even bother to understand or comprehend the amount of hard work and effort it demands to make things for a film of that size - that art department contributed hugely in making the film good - and guess what, Peter Jackson had them on the Hobbit again and he will continue to work with them just as he had even before LOTR

  • @jonkka3
    @jonkka3 11 лет назад +22

    In fact, I never even noticed the whole weapon. But if Peter Jackson thinks it's important... well, it's his prerogative.

  • @unnamednewbie13
    @unnamednewbie13 10 лет назад +30

    *flail
    Used to be a "mace" until they added the chain. If you want to get even more technical about it, it used to be a "morning star." A mace is blunt.
    But I'm willing to overlook that for the outstanding job done on these movies.

    • @unnamednewbie13
      @unnamednewbie13 10 лет назад +1

      ***** Well done, you're a douche.
      This knowledge precedes wiki. Seriously, it's not that hard to remember the difference one you've read about it.

    • @unnamednewbie13
      @unnamednewbie13 10 лет назад

      ***** I'm sure you could tell whoppers.

    • @unnamednewbie13
      @unnamednewbie13 10 лет назад +1

      ***** And you're one of the driest trolls I've ever seen. Go put on your try-hard pants and come back with something that isn't rotten leftovers from the back of 4chan's fridge.

    • @stormrider7235
      @stormrider7235 10 лет назад +1

      This isn't my comment, I copied it from another comment by Gamewizard, but here it is: A flail is a sub-class of mace, so to use the term mace is still accurate. A flail is also referred to as mace and chain, so the word mace refers to the head,not the entire weapon.

    • @unnamednewbie13
      @unnamednewbie13 10 лет назад +1

      LOTR_Disneylover62 RPG's often toss flails into the mace weapon class to simplify coding and rule sets. I've even seen a kusarigama classified as an axe.

  • @KoiYakultGreenTea
    @KoiYakultGreenTea 3 года назад +7

    I love the witch king going “oh god..!” When he’s trying to lift it 😂

  • @toddeatherly3429
    @toddeatherly3429 8 месяцев назад +1

    Coolest “boss” weapon in cinemas history

  • @arthurteddy91
    @arthurteddy91 12 лет назад +4

    I think it was actually good that it was this large... not because it made Eowyn afraid of IT, but because she was terrified that someone, ANYONE, could wield such a massive weapon of utter destruction. It was, in a simple way, a very good way of showing off the Witch King's tremendous power and ability/desire to evoke fear in others.

  • @azazelreeds
    @azazelreeds 3 года назад +2

    "Some people call it a mace. Some people call it a morning star"
    Funnily enough he was the only one right by calling it damned heavy

  • @patrioticjustice9040
    @patrioticjustice9040 4 года назад +6

    It gets caught in Peter's jacket and almost makes him tumble to the ground on set.
    Peter Jackson: I think it's about 50% too small.
    It is ridiculous in real life, but I can see how it would work in TLOTR; it's both an intimidating weapon to behold; just by looking at it, you know a world of pain is coming your way. And the thing is basically a wrecking ball; in one hit, it shatters both Eowins' shield and her arm.

  • @MsXizan
    @MsXizan 6 лет назад +8

    No freaking wonder the original novel said Eowyn's arm was broken!

  • @shelbyvillerules9962
    @shelbyvillerules9962 3 года назад +5

    It’s one of those things that seems ridiculous in real life but just works on film in the context of the movie. I remember when I first saw the scene you completely buy it and fear for the characters taking a blow from such a devastating weapon.

  • @DylanPelzer-lq7oy
    @DylanPelzer-lq7oy Месяц назад

    Seeing the Witch King suddenly just look defeated and mutter "Oh God..." in frustration is something I didn't know I needed to see today.

  • @raylampert1243
    @raylampert1243 3 года назад +5

    I remember seeing that monstrous flail revealed for the first time in the theater. and everyone in the audience went, "Whooooa".
    So yeah, good call Peter Jackson.

  • @michaelfox2433
    @michaelfox2433 3 года назад +2

    It's a fantasy weapon in a fantasy story about fantasy characters.....I simply don't see any issue here especially since the finished product was nothing less than sheer brilliance.

  • @fitzii_00
    @fitzii_00 10 лет назад +14

    The guy underneath the witch king costume... sorry. I can't... XD

  • @mitch-lawless
    @mitch-lawless 3 года назад +2

    I didn’t question the flail at all, it’s just fucking awesome.

  • @ASmith-pb2we
    @ASmith-pb2we 8 лет назад +14

    It's one goddamned serious weapon. I love it!

  • @Colbsdotcom
    @Colbsdotcom 9 лет назад +45

    (In New Zealand accent) "That's not a mace!"

    • @tenjenk
      @tenjenk 8 лет назад +19

      +Colbsdotcom *pulls out a functionally large mace* THIS is a mace!

    • @lewisirwin5363
      @lewisirwin5363 8 лет назад +24

      "That's a flail."
      "Oh. I see you've played Macey-Flaily before."

    • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
      @VoiceOfTheEmperor 3 года назад

      "Oh, great...I'm gonna need some reinforcements from Tat-twiine..."
      Sorry. You say "New Zealand Accent", I say "Fett accent".

  • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
    @VoiceOfTheEmperor 4 года назад +2

    I think Peter harnessed his inner Warhammer in this bit for the Witch King's flail. (The difference is that a flail has a chain, a mace has a steady handle. Besides the point, moving on.) When you have 8'+ borderline immortals throwing around fear shrieks and are riding super-evil dragons and you can't see their faces, I think the time for subtlety is pretty much gone. The reason I said "inner warhammer"? Look up "Space Marine Size Comparison Chart". Then look up .998 caliber. And finally, look up "chainsword". Over the top is NORMAL in Warhammer. Peter Jackson just harnessed some of that for this Sistine chapel of a movie.

  • @filiporvik2782
    @filiporvik2782 3 года назад +1

    This is why Jackson is the fucking king. He has a shitton of crazy ideas, and when you see it completed, it all fucking worked. GOAT

  • @ElGeecho
    @ElGeecho 7 лет назад +68

    Wait a minute. _Which_ king of Angmar?

    • @Rinesmyth
      @Rinesmyth 5 лет назад +9

      @Bikram Hundal I've been trying to figure that one out for years now

    • @SohanDsouza
      @SohanDsouza 4 года назад +5

      Which ol' Witch King of Angmar? The Wicked Witch King of Angmar. Ding, dong, ...

    • @straightjacket308
      @straightjacket308 3 года назад

      @@SohanDsouza Your beautiful! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jamesrichards2720
    @jamesrichards2720 3 года назад

    The little details we never notice that make LOTR so good.

  • @99Plastics
    @99Plastics 4 года назад +19

    It's an undead ghost covered in metal and cloth eternally bound to this world and sarumans will by the ring it wears.......I don't think the size of the mace is the most ridiculous thing.

  • @SpookyTanukiGaming
    @SpookyTanukiGaming 3 года назад +1

    I think the size conveys the witch king’s pure power

  • @Servellion
    @Servellion 13 лет назад +3

    That explains why we never saw the Witch King recover the thing from a swing. I always wondered about that. Seems like Peter Jackson and Blizzard Entertainment submit to the same line of thinking: If it's an epic weapon or armor it must be stupidly huge and be covered in spikes. Shit! I can totally see the Witch King using the Wild Hammer! It actually fits him quite well. Massive spiky beast of a 2 handed mace. Even the aesthetics fit him. Not a surprise LotRs has influenced Warcraft.

  • @NoMOOO_Jr
    @NoMOOO_Jr 3 года назад +1

    All I’m picturing is merry and pippin in fellowship. “No no the big one, big one”

  • @jasperzanovich2504
    @jasperzanovich2504 7 лет назад +3

    Since everyone gets so hang up on the weapons technicalities here is something new.
    If you go for such a big weapon why use a flail? Flails are meant to swing around the edge of a shield and hit the wearer. You don't need that if you can just smash the shield and the shieldarm to pieces in a single blow.

  • @ThatDangerousWolf
    @ThatDangerousWolf 3 года назад +1

    This is one of my favorite behind the scenes stories.

  • @zekayman
    @zekayman 9 лет назад +546

    It's a fucking flail, not a mace.

  • @kgunitkeese17
    @kgunitkeese17 4 года назад +1

    For those that are unaware, Lawrence Makoare played Lurtz. He's the Uruk-hai leader in FOTR that shot Boromir with those arrows and got his head cut off by Aragorn.

  • @kingwacky184
    @kingwacky184 9 лет назад +13

    This is not a mace, a mace is not connected to the handle by a chain, a mace is simply a long handle with a dangerous end lol. This is a flail but it still look awesome.

    • @ugabugatugatuga
      @ugabugatugatuga 8 лет назад +1

      +King Wacky if u saw the first part, originaly it was a mace... the problem they upgraded the head size so much that it would look too ridiculous on a fixed handle :P

    • @straightjacket308
      @straightjacket308 3 года назад

      @@ugabugatugatuga Everyone loves a bigger head.

  • @kakebaker2000
    @kakebaker2000 3 года назад

    Imagine having your shield completely shattered in one blow.

  • @darkjak224
    @darkjak224 7 лет назад +24

    Anime weapons in a nutshell

    • @venator5
      @venator5 4 года назад +3

      It is still small compare to them.

    • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
      @VoiceOfTheEmperor 3 года назад

      You should look into Warhammer.

    • @darkjak224
      @darkjak224 3 года назад +1

      @@VoiceOfTheEmperor I have 5 painted 40k armies buddy. American too. I know about the big-ass weapons used in that universe lol

    • @JBTriple8
      @JBTriple8 3 года назад

      exactly

  • @cody4999
    @cody4999 3 года назад +2

    Gonna be real, the flail was probably one of the coolest weapons in the entire trilogy. Every time I see it it's scary as all get out. I'd be more terrified of that thing than anything else in the movies.

  • @justinsuttles1048
    @justinsuttles1048 6 лет назад +11

    Probably could've been a bit bigger...

  • @faintsherin4468
    @faintsherin4468 4 года назад

    As we can see the look on her face is an assurance that this is the first time Eowyn sees a BIG HARD MACE!

  • @DrownedInExile
    @DrownedInExile 6 лет назад +3

    The Witch-King was clearly compensating :D

  • @ericolson117
    @ericolson117 3 года назад +1

    I was always impressed by the size of the mace, especially when it makes that dent in the ground. I think Pete had the right idea

  • @Gunzlinger07
    @Gunzlinger07 10 лет назад +4

    The first two designs are indeed maces. The final one, however, is a flail.

  • @chrisstanton70
    @chrisstanton70 2 года назад +1

    witch king be like: "Hold up, I dont like when people use shields."

  • @midnitest0rm
    @midnitest0rm 6 лет назад +3

    Technically it’s a flail but the effect still stands that thing is bloody terrifying

  • @ismeal231
    @ismeal231 3 года назад

    "That thing was too big to be called a flail.
    Too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough, it was more like a large, spiked ball of iron".

  • @RoxyGotMoxy.
    @RoxyGotMoxy. 10 лет назад +15

    I.. I keep throwing my money at the screen but nothing's happening!!!!

  • @wolftal1178
    @wolftal1178 Год назад +1

    I think the original mace was brilliant (maybe a bit bigger and longer, but nowhere near the amount they were wanting) it didn’t have to be over the top like that.
    Also, they never actually used a mace, but instead a Morningstar, which was not in the books, but it still worked.

  • @Another_Story_
    @Another_Story_ 9 лет назад +4

    Its a weaponized flail not a mace. Flails were agriculture tools before they were weapons, so if they look awkward as weapons that's why.

  • @nathankirschbaum6850
    @nathankirschbaum6850 3 года назад +1

    1:28 "Oh, god."
    - Witch-King of Angmar

  • @Nightmare_Texas
    @Nightmare_Texas 10 лет назад +8

    11 of these people are rohanians

    • @Λυκάων
      @Λυκάων 8 лет назад +1

      +Aleksandar Dragovic *Rohirim ;)

    • @larslangius855
      @larslangius855 6 лет назад +1

      Vangos Hector rohirrim* ;) and actually rohirrim is the term used for the military of rohan, not for it's people, whose real name is never really clarified, though "Rohanians" sound ridiculous...

  • @SecretPurpleQ
    @SecretPurpleQ 3 года назад +1

    Maces and morning Stars have straight fixed handles. Flails are attached via flexible links or rope.

  • @Zorpike
    @Zorpike 8 лет назад +3

    I feel like the chain is too long, there's not enough control.

  • @lasonris8934
    @lasonris8934 2 года назад

    That pose the Witch king does was totally “whose the man? I’m the man!!!!”

  • @HarryBillyBobGeorge
    @HarryBillyBobGeorge 8 лет назад +4

    Look at that quadruple letterbox. It's called a crop tool. Use it.
    And that's a flail, not a mace.

  • @Omashu2425
    @Omashu2425 Год назад

    "Some call it Damned Heavy, others call it Ludicrously Large."

  • @greegeree
    @greegeree 8 лет назад +5

    ive always like gigantic weapons. i had the idea to have a fighter who dual-wielded greatswords

    • @batrachian149
      @batrachian149 8 лет назад +2

      Wow. You're so original.

    • @greegeree
      @greegeree 8 лет назад +2

      What's originality have to do with anything? They just look cool albeit comical. Small weapons have merits. If I was to use a melee weapon irl id still go for a short sword because their faster and more effective but for a movie or game huge weapons look badass.

    • @greegeree
      @greegeree 8 лет назад

      I like you.

    • @Infinite_Jester
      @Infinite_Jester 8 лет назад +4

      Big weapons make sense in some games, because unless they're disproportionally large, you won't be able to see them.
      I don't think there's anything cool about it though, it makes it immensely difficult to suspend my disbelief.

    • @TheSilverPhoenix100
      @TheSilverPhoenix100 7 лет назад +4

      It sounds cool but honestly in terms of actual fighting it would never work, Greatswords were designed to a 1 stroke 1 kill weapon to kill mounted riders rushing at you if they ever missed the person usually ended up dead with a spear in his throat or trampled by the horse

  • @queenofcats1
    @queenofcats1 3 года назад +1

    I didn't even know it was supposed to be really big I just thought it was supposed to look Scary

  • @teslaz2126
    @teslaz2126 8 лет назад +3

    It is called a flail

  • @straightjacket308
    @straightjacket308 3 года назад

    My mind can't stay out of the gutter and just keeps thinking "Everyone is impressed by a bigger head"