Pride and Prejudice ~ Lost in Adaptation
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A comparison of the 1995 BBC TV mini series to the novel by Jane Austen its based on.
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Also - one detail I really liked in the book was that Darcy's plan A for Lydia was getting her away from Wickham and hang her reputation, because nobody deserves to be saddled with Wickham, and it wasn't until she categorically refused that he went for the marriage plan. It's a surprisingly modern detail in a book this old.
Catriona Pritchard
True! I remember being surprised by that. It’s a nice little detail, easily overlooked!
Damn, that was a good detail. Thanks for the reminder!
Wow, I don't even remember that!
Although by marrying, it made sure Wickham became his brother in law and always in his life.
@@Notlost-lj9qt But didn't Darcy buy Wickham a commission in the part of the army that is most likely to be on the front line? (I'm not 100% sure about this, but...) and if so, this is an indication that Lydia would soon be a widow, thus... no brother in law, and free Lydia :D
While I love both writers, I love that Bronte was like "Ugh, Austen is all frills and no backbone!" while Austen had written Northanger Abbey decades earlier as a spoof of the cheesy gothic novels about cruel men and their dark habits.
I love my sassy queens.
You know Mark Twain said "Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her [austin] over the skull with her own shin-bone.”
Dat sass.
Fun Fact: Northanger Abbey is HILARIOUS. The narrator is made of Zing.
@@Visplight That is positively delightful. I only wish I could see the look on Twain's face that would be elicited by the response "Yasss, queen - werk!"
Do we know Dickens' opinion? I feel like he might have some good snark on the lack of acknowledgement of the poor.
She was probably pissed because Northanger Abbey could be a spoof of Jane Eyre except it was several decades too early.
the most important detail about this adaptation is this Colin Firth quote:
"if I were to change professions tomorrow, become an astronaut, and be the first man to land on Mars, the headlines in the newspapers would read: 'Mr. Darcy Lands on Mars'."
Poor Mr. Firth ... that must be frustrating. Really.
Lol, I think of him as Harry Hart from Kingsman. Showing my age I guess.
@@MorriganReads Lol. I think of him as the guy from The Secret Garden(2020). Really showing my age.
I know him from Mamma Mia, I personally loved him and Pierce Brosnan in it.
Anyone who hasn't seen him in the King's Speech should watch it.
I think I'd prefer the dom's adaptation of pride and prejudice, "Did I f***ing stutter?"
This needs to happen.
This will be the best one yet
oh yes please
Personally in my head she told Lady Catherine to go f#@% herself so perfectly understandable
Darcy looming ominously is actually a huge part of his attractiveness.
He is the archetype of the cool, brooding gentleman :D
Like if Edward Cullen had charisma
It's what Lizzy thought all book. "Is he trying to be severe at me?" No he's just bad at dating and tends to loom
@@deegleffler4887 That's like him in a majority of the book. That's Darcy in a nutshell.
Yes. Yes it is. 😏😍😆
4:25 - 'he looks like he's about to murder this guy'.
Since 'this guy' is Mr Wickham, he probably is.
I mean, honestly, who would blame him?
He was so ready to murder him.
I'm pretty sure nobody would complain.
I've seen this series about 4 million times (conservative estimate) and that is a perfect shot. Mr. Darcy stands furiously and swiftly, clearly holding back the urge to strangle Mr. Wickham right there in the church. It makes me laugh every time.
Maybe he's just twitchy because he's expecting Wickham to try to escape his shotgun wedding at any moment.
"Mr Bennett being a low key sass queen" - Best. Character. Description. Ever.
Miniseries Mr Bennett can honestly get it too. He cute and sassy lol
Love Mr Bennett! Was not expecting the amount of fast that came from him and loved it so far him and to a lesser extent Lizzie are the only reasons I'm enjoying this book 📖
Like father like daughter (Lizzie anyways)
Shortest description too !
Mr. Bennett has been SO done with his daughters' shit for years 😂😂
"Look at this! He looks like he's about to murder this guy!"
You mean the guy who tried to seduce his 15-year-old sister so he could take her money and successfully seduced the sister of Darcy's beloved Elizabeth so that Darcy has to bribe Wickham to marry her? You better believe if Wickham tried to get out of marrying Lydia, murdering him (or, you know, dueling him and honorably murdering him) was next on the list!
oh absolutely, the death glare was 100% earned
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Darcy at least knew of someone who could dispose of a body. And really, half his tenets would probably volunteer to do it for him.
Lydia was also 15 too, this guys SICK
@@CakefoxDots Not to defend Wickham's character, but it was quite common for women to get married in their late teens at the time. 15 may have been a touch young, but not so different than someone getting married at 18 nowadays. Charlotte was considered an old spinster at 27. Jane at 21ish was quite old in the marriage prospect game of the time.
@@JaronActual For the Bennett’s class, 15 would have been too young-especially given so many other sisters weren’t out. 17 would have been something to talk about, but acceptable.
As someone who writes and receives actual letters, i would like to say: talking to letters is normal
as someone that writes extensively in online chats and youtube comments: talking to written dialogue is normal
Yes! I do that too :D
So do I
Lol!
My roommate has been known to ask if I said something to her when I've been loudly talking to my emails or discord text chat.
I’d pay to watch a full length film of him playing every character.
I'm imagining his Mrs. Bennett. It would be HILARIOUS and probably fatal.
That would make so many more films more bearable.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one. I'd even go to a theater to watch those movies; and I hate going to the movie theater.
This idea needs a kickstarter platform
I would pay so much money for this! XD
There was one thing they left out of the mini-series that I did miss - Mrs. Bennett’s reaction to finding out that Elizabeth and Darcy are engaged. It seems to be left out of most versions of the story. Which is a real shame because it’ one the most potentially hilarious moments in the whole book. The poor woman is actually speechless for so long that Elizabeth actually leaves the room.
That was hilarious. When we read the book in my class, everyone laughed!
Why leave that out?! That could be comedy gold!
Oh good to know lol that would have been a great moment
Same! I couldn't believe he didn't mention that.
Austen got Mrs. Bennet's reaction perfectly in the novel. But in the miniseries, the final scenes move along Iike clipped lightning. After Lizzy accepts Darcy's proposal, it moves to her conversation with Jane and then her father, culminating in the wedding ceremony. A prolonged scene with Mrs. Bennet would not have worked there. Also, the viewer has seen her in hysterics in several prior scenes.
My brother and I had a running joke about Mr Darcy and his quiet malevolence, like any moment he might lean in and confess "You know, I killed a man once..." *insert graphic and gruesome details here*
Poor Darcy and his resting murder bitch face...
As a fellow introvert, I always thought he had fantasies of burning the house down at every party he was at.
mr darcy was jay gatsby once.
.... "With my bear hands too..."
“Lady Catherine:
: And can you declare there is no foundation for it?
Elizabeth Bennet:
: I do not pretend to possess equal frankness with your Ladyship. You may ask a question which I may choose not to answer.
Lady Catherine:
: This is not to be borne! Has my nephew made you an offer of marriage?
Elizabeth Bennet:
: Your Ladyship has declared it to be impossible” The best interaction, ever
Agree completely. I love the way Elizabeth avoids actually answering for a while partly because of Lady Catherine's attitude, and partly because her own feels for Mr. Darcy have been slowly changing over time.
I both love and hate how I get the jist of this exchange but at the same time find it incomprehensible gibberish compared to Shakespeare
(That's just my brain being stupid)
I love this back and forth between these characters as well. Wonderful quote.
“Your Ladyship has declared it to be impossible” makes me laugh every time. 😂
I remember getting glares in class because I laughed at it in school. It’s just SO perfect.
I like the new Jane Austen merch I've seen advertised: "Society of Obstinate Headstrong Girls - Seriously Displeasing People Since 1813."
The best chapter is that one where Elizabeth patiently explains to her cousin that no means no and she really will not marry him. It still holds up in the modern day oops
Jane Austen women are written in a most entertaining way.
I also like how her father says life could be described as laughing about your neighbors until they laugh about you.
Ah yes, that was fantastic
The reason Jane Austen is a classic novelist and not just "Some romance author" really is because her examinations of people were so acute. Settings and social mores change (though her social discourse is also a great examination of her time period) but people are always going to be people. Her writing of them is what makes her works timeless.
@@zelamorre1126 She says something like that in the novel too. Sort of.
Jane Austen did what she did so well that she literally invented a genre and codified all its tropes with a single book, because it was so good that EVERYBODY wanting to write about romance thought it was absolutely necessary to copy off her notes.
Even today the Regency subgenre of Romance books is crazy popular.
@@BankruptMonkey just like the mistake that was Bridgerton
and her copy cats all miss the sarcasm that in fact deconstructs a lot of stupid romance tropes . . .she wrote, clever, pointed and critical but somehow what peoples take away is is cheesyness
@@SingingSealRiana
Yeah, the way she used irony & sarcasm could cut like a knife; like the people of Meryton would sooner Lydia was either shut away from society in some quiet country house, or that she *become a prostitute* (what the phrase 'come upon the town' meant), rather than have her reputation be "saved" by making that quickie-marriage with her seducer, just so they could have 'better' gossip - they sound like a super-charming bunch; I guess they were jealous of Mrs Bennett managing to 'marry up'...
@@SingingSealRiana can't help but think that the absolute hammer-to-the-head obviousness of Emma is even more overlooked. And people barely acknowledge the existence of Northanger Abbey at all, which is a damn shame given it's probably her most comedic and genre-bending book.
So, fun little detail re: the wet shirt scene.
Given the standards of the time, men were expected to wear multiple layers. Hence why all the guys are wearing jackets and vests and whatnot. So if a man was just wearing a shirt, he's effectively walking around in his underwear - just a single layer of clothing covering his skin.
Which adds a whole other layer to the "Colin Firth as sex symbol" thing.
And you probably have an image of young Colin Firth in just his underwear. You're welcome?
Exactly. People going out in public without a vest on were described as "naked" in the newspapers, even though they were wearing their shirts and, presumably, trousers at the time. A shirt was an undergarment; the vest was the minimum garment you were supposed to be seen in, in polite company/public.
tbh I'd take Colin Firth now in his undies too. The man is aging gracefully and is still charming in everything I've seen him in!
Also the costumes in this adaptation were just lovely!
This adaptation also gets points for me for being accurate in costuming. Most are nowhere near accurate, and it’s rare for an adaptation to include the weird Regency side curls. I think they did it well here.
The attention to accuracy is one of the factors that makes this one The Series!
I was extremely disappointed with Sanditon. I had so high hopes for it, because it's adapted by Andrew Davies. The result might not be a complete disaster, but darn I grumbled a lot!
I agree I really appreciate the accuracy in this one. However I also love seeing how adaptions adjust their costuming to make it palatable to the contemporary taste.
and bonnets! this show is such a pleasure to look at
Kim Yo Jong's Sandwich I believe Meme Mom mentioned it in a video where she talked about a few different movies and praised the use of poodle curls (I think at one point she mentioned something about the men’s trousers being an off shape/fit though?). I agree though, I’d love to see someone who knows fashion history dedicate a whole video to this miniseries.
@@annejeppesen160 Charlottes beach waves... EW
I'm 10000% not salty that Dominic looks better in a dress than I do, definitely not
(Edit: I'm french and grammar is hard)
Appdragon hunter If it helps, you could probably rock a suit better then some men.
I was sitting here thinking, why is Dom prettier than me in a dress 😭
But I mean the aunt's dress is just pretty bomb
I mean, that’s a pretty sweet dress. I imagine it’s probably one of those enchanted Cinderella gowns that makes anyone look good, wearing it.
I just want to know where he gets the clothes though! I mean they are really good!
"He looks like he's about to murder this guy!" Well we all wanted to murder Wickham, lets be honest here.
Anyway, my mom and I adore the mini series, and we got my dad into it too, so now every once in a while he'll be like, "....maybe it's time to watch Pride and Prejudice again?" And we always agree.
That's me and my mum too!
Almost every time we meet up (living 4h apart w/no car) one of us would say this.. I lost count how many times we watched it
Your family sounds really great :-)
Gonna convince my mom we need to do that.
Best dad ever!
It's exactly the same for my family ❤
Thank you for acknowledging that getting the girls married off is responsible parenting in the context of the time period, culture, and circumstances of the story. Jane Austen did a lot to expose the challenges and injustices upper-middle-class and upper class women faced at the time in spite of the many privileges they had compared with women from lower socioeconomic groups.
Yeah I wasn't disturbed by this at all. That's how things were back then (and still are in alot of places). I didn't find her mean at all, just worried.
The more I've delved into P&P in the discussions in other lovely videos (like this), I've come to understand things better. Mrs. Bennet is only doing her job by trying to get all of the girls married off (and to the best man she can - the highest bidder, if you will) because Mr. Bennet has not set the girls up financially AT. ALL.
The Dom adapts Pride & Prejudice is something I could watch all day.
Steve George I just thought of DOm doing that and I laughed. It really would be too good.
Yes, indeed.
Holy crap yes. This should have it’s own episode like Terrence..
This needs to be a thing. We can do a kickstarter!
Yep. 😊
1. Dom's Lady Catherine is my new favorite thing.
2. I will never be over Darcy's face when he sees Elizabeth after he gets out of the pond. He's just mentally kicking himself going "WHY DO I KEEP EMBARRASSING MYSELF IN FRONT OF HER GOD DAMN IT."
"look at this! It seems he's about to murder this guy!"
Darcy, staring daggers at Wickam's head: Bitch I might.
To be honest, I wouldn't even bat an eye if he actually pulled out a knife and swing at Wickham right then and there in front of the Gardiners, Lydia and the officiator.
@@Linhdoesstuff hardly think anyone would think much beyond 'eh, he had it coming'. But to digress, that scene is actually one of my favourite: he stands up with so much rage and EXACTLY timed with the music crescendo to qualify, for me, as a Regency version of a big damn hero entrance.
@@Midorikonokami Agreed, though in my opinion, if anyone would be surprised, it would just be Lydia and the poor officiator who just didn't want to be involved in the drama. The Gardiners would just think it should have been done with less witnesses but then wouldn't weep.
It's partially what makes Pride and Prejudice and Zombies enjoyable for me. Darcy beats the guy until he's crippled and not single f%#$ was given by anyone.
Hey Dom, I've recently DMed several RPGs based on Pride and Prejudice, so let me tell you about the poverty bit:
Right now, the Bennets are doing good with 2,000 pounds a year. BUT once the dad dies, the estate will go to Mr. Collins, leaving the mother with either very little or nothing at all, and the sisters will split their mother's untouched dowry of 5,000 pounds into five fractions among them, which would give each the average yearly income of 40 pounds a year (=the interest of having the money invested, as the dowry itself must again remain untouched). And 40 pounds is somewhere between working-class and middle-class money. You can't be a lady on that kind of income: you can't rent enough rooms, not to mention a house, you can't have servants, not to mention a carriage, and you're one step away from being disqualified as a lady of leisure because you might need to turn to teaching to cover your expenses.
So that's the kind of "survival" Mrs. Bennet is stressing about - the survival of the gentry. The inheritance law was extra vicious back then, allowing only one son to inherit so that the estate would stay in one piece, which means that this type of survival became an issue for most sons and daughters of the gentry. This was why so many second and third sons in Austen's novels are officers in the army, or naval officers, or clergymen - because these professions made/kept you a gentleman.
Petition to make a spin-off of the mini-series where Darcy really does freaking murder Wickham right there and then
I mean, that’s almost the plot of Death Comes to Pemberly, but it’s someone else that tries to murder Wickham.
Wait until the marriage is official then make Lydia a widow.
@@Annie_Annie__ haha I thought that too. I haven't read it but the mini series adaptation is amazing.
That scene deserves an Omae wa mou shindeiru edit at least
George Cooper Agreed. Jenna Coleman was just *amazing* as Lydia. The whole thing was really great.
“and mr Bingley being a sweet sweet cinnamon roll” IM-
I mean, he's not wrong.
My favourite version of Mr Bingley, the human equivalent of a Golden Retriever, possibly too nice for his own good, but maybe with a wife and family to fend for might improve.
the BBC version is my favorite adaptation of Pride and Prejudice.
the line "Oh I know, he's threatened to dance with us all" will ALWAYS stick out in my mind in how it's delivered
"I'm going to set a subscription milestone for someone else's channel" That's... That's a power move my dude.
It is almost there!
Me: eating
“Well I know the ways of women ..”
“Did I effing stutter?”
Me: chokes 🤣
"Did I f*cking stutter?" - Jane Austen, as related by Dominic Noble
The funniest thing is that that is actually exactly how it goes down in the book :P
This is Jane Austen's writing in a nutshell. I cannot recommend her books highly enough. Almost every single main character in her books are magnificent sassy bitches.
Elizabeth Bennet fucking WEAPONIZED passive-aggressive sarcasm in Pride and Prejudice. It's a sight to behold.
Imagine how many great books she would’ve been able to write if she didn’t die so young.
Edit: so when’s our Pride and Prejudice, and Zombies lost in adaptation coming?
A young talent taken before her time.
Or if her family hadn't destroyed most of her letters.
So true
I recently saw a brilliant biography of her highlighting the places she lived in. I couldn't help crying when it came to her death. I knew she died young, but the thought always makes me sad. At least she lives forever in our hearts.
@@isaacschmitt4803 her sister destroyed her letters because she didn't want her sister's privacy invaded. Makes you wonder what sass was in those letters.
What I love about this story (and all its successful adaptations) is that Darcy appears to be a rude, snobby guy at first, but when you revisit those same passages after getting to know more about him, it's obvious that he's just a massively socially awkward introvert who accidentally comes across as mean in an effort not to go out of his comfort zone.
In contemporary terms, he's like Adam Driver doing an interview. He's a great guy, but don't push him into any area he's not comfortable with talking about or he'll withdraw very quickly.
@Jonathan Parks True, hence why the "massively socially awkward" indicator added on my part. The vast majority of introverts don't make so many social faux-pas.
J.J. Abrams had prospective cast members for The Force Awakens read from Pride and Prejudice. So Adam Driver may have read Mr. Darcy's part.
@Jonathan Parks maybe he's also autistic.
@@annakilifa331 some indeed have noted that he's on the spectrum. As Colin Firth beautifully delivers that line at the piano ("I have not the skill..."), it seems obvious. When he, Lizzy and the Gardiners first meet up at Pemberley, it seems so clear that he has practiced to improve his social skills. Austen was incredibly perceptive.
I've had pretty severe social anxiety my whole life, and I think that was what allowed me to recognise it INSTANTLY in Darcy first time without knowing anything about the story in advance.
I remember as a pretty young kid actually being super confused about everyone's hostile reactions to him, because all I could think was "He's SHY! Leave him alone!"
"It makes sense that he has to take a bath because he is a dirty, dirty boy." I had to pause because I was laughing too hard. Also I feel like the rockstar 'DARCAYYYY!!' needs to be a meme. Like everytime a dude has the best slapback, that gets added. And Lizzie's should be as well.
I rewatched the show because of this video. I had to pause at the bath scene because my mind kept adding that line.
I realize we missed April 1, but I'm already laughing at the idea of a joke video analyzing the book accuracy of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
lovetolovefairytales yeah, I read them at the same time chapter by chapter and zombies was indeed very accurate, it removed some things and added some zombie scenes. I also think it might have modernised some of the language, though that could be a translation issue, I didn’t read either book in English.
@@tovekauppi1616 even in English it was quite modern. Though I have to mention the worst translation of all time. The French one, they made everyone call each other "vous" the plural more polite one, even among sisters when it really wasn't the case back then in France. It frustrated me to no end and sent me to try and read the English version despite my poor grasp of it at the time. It took me sometime and a dictionary at hand but at least I didn't have to be saddled with Elizabeth calling her best friend or youngest sister with Vous. Or worse the mother calling her own children "vous".the whole book had no "tu" in it. Oh dear. It's a disaster in translation
I was hoping someone would have already mentioned this. I don't think it even needs to be a joke video, I just want to see him do a video on Pride and Prejudice and Zombies!
I haven't read this book, but I really enjoyed the movie, a lot more than I would expected. It was frankly better for me than the poor adaptation of the original with Kiera Knightly. I hate that corny yellowish filter, the awful costume and the changes of places and times.
Fun fact, somewhere out there on the internet is a Jane Austen themed RPG called "Snark and Snarkability"
Thank you. I need this.
theres also a similar one called good society, although it doesnt have dice
There is an Austen-themed dating sim out there, too. If your willpower stat is too low at the first milestone event, you end up hitched to Mr. Collins no matter what you say or do.
@@Katherine_The_Okay NEED!
"Oh, that's not a promise at all! I'm so embarrassed." Loved these skits.
one thing that made me despise the lost in austen "adaption", was how they turned wickham into a not that bad guy, completely glossing over the fact that he seduced tradesmans daughters, and put a lot of them in to debt to boot, deserted and basically just took lydia (a 15 year old child and gentlemans daughter) along to warm his bed
I thought the revisionist characterization of Wickham in that film included the plot point that he wasn’t actually intimate with either teenage girl, but maybe I’m remembering incorrectly, I watched once about 9 years ago.
@@bellamaz1972 i mean yeah that was the thing, but only in regards to georgiana from what i remember, it didnt happen at all with lydia i think, to make it work with the new characterisation, it completely glossed over the fact that in the novel, he had still slept with a bunch of tradesmans daughters, and also run up a lot of debts, turning him into this "oh hey not so bad a guy", it just aggravated me cause it made no sense overall
@Liz Lee im talking about lost in austen, its an adaption that made it into an isekai. i only ever saw it once, so the details are rough, but essentially they turned wickham into this not so bad guy, and decided that georgiana just blamed it all on him out of embarassment. idk it pissed me off so badly i never saw it again
@@onibeebee In the BBC mini series Misses Philips and Miss Bingley talk about Bingley sleeping with tradesmens daughters and having debts
@@stuffwithsoph8264 i mean its been a while since ive seen it, but i sincerely doubt that? ill take u at ur word tho
Before you said, "he looks like he is going to murder this guy!" I honestly expected him to wack the guy over the head with a heavy object. Hilarious
Everytime I watch that scene, I feel like he’s going to literally stab him in the back
To me it looks like Mr. Darcy is going to get Wickham with piano wire around the neck.
@@Nightman221k I think, in reality it would have to be a glove to whack his face with :D
One thing I remember analysing in uni is how the plot in P&P *progresses* mostly out in nature. Any advances that are positive between Elizabeth and Darcy happen outdoors, while miscommunication and the "suffocating" chats happen indoors. Take for example both of Darcy's proposals. I thought this was a very interesting reflection of the romantic movement's ideals in Austen, even though she was not part of the movement socially.
Whew! That's a very interesting observation. I think we didn't analyse it closely enough in my classes. 😅
I'd be curious to see a Collins who is only 25 years old, as he's described in the novel. It seems that showrunners can't imagine that Collins might be young and handsome, or at least tolerable-looking, but still be a pompous and obsequious ass.
i mean is canonically described as being "tall, heavy looking young man of five and twenty. His air was grave and stately, and his manners were very formal", so basically tall and overweight, while it doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be ugly, the way he acts would make it worse
The RUclips series adaptation The Lizzy Bennett Diaries (which was very well done, if very much a product of its early-2010s time) has a very bangable and young looking Collins! Highly recommend checking it out for any P&P fan, if you don’t mind watching clicking through the episodes every four minutes.
Accuracy is nice, but the actor was so splendid it's hard to complain. Plus, some folks just look old before their time and he seems like the type.
@@BeeWhistler I've seen a 25 year old who looked like a middle aged man, and part of it was the pompous expression he always had.
I love the ridiculous iteration of him by Matt Smith in Pride and prejudice and zombies
What is also interesting is that Darcy is often seen as the original bad boy, the character the female lead doesn't like at the beginning for being a bit of an arrogant jerk, but actually changed himself, which is one reason why Elisabeth accepts his proposal the second time. That's an aspect of the broody bad boy which a lot of other stories are missing.
I saw “Pride and Prejudice” in the thumbnail and wondered, “wait, which one?”
The best one.
The only one worth mentioning obviously
Sadly, not with zombies
"hOw dare yOU sPeaK to ME!??" speaks to my inner intp
Hey fellow intp! Same, btw!
Intp as well
My mum went into labour with me while watching that 1995 mini-series. Apparently it was exactly when Mr Darcy first came on screen.
Wow
That's next level hilarious 🤣
Colin Firth clearly has some effect on women 😅
“And they brought the acceptable genitalia” I-
*sees thumbnail*
At this point I'm mostly here to see Dom crossdessing.
Some people believe she did want the anonymity of "By a Lady" as she lived in a small village and likely had inspiration from people who lived there. So for that reason wanted to keep anonymous so they wouldn't think it was based on them (especially the unsavoury characters)
In the book Jane Austen says at the start that Mrs Bennett is a "silly woman". Virtually the last line is that she remains a "silly woman"!
Next up, Emma and Clueless? You can finally use that "valley girl" filter.
I'd love to see a comparison of all of the recent major Emma adaptations including Emma (1996), Clueless (1995), and EMMA. (2020)
@@goddessartemis85 oh my god please???
Someone (I don't remember who) criticized the most recent Emma adaptation for doing exactly what the Dom complained about: they apparently did Emma without the sarcasm. Like the screenplayer and director both believed in the narrative voice way too much and way too literally.
In spirit Clueless might be a more faithful adaptation of Emma, tbh.
The BBC version with Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller also needs to be included! And the Emma Approved youtube series for bonus points!
@@melissak118 I haven't seen that BBC version, so I'll have to check it out. But I loved Emma Approved (and The Lizzie Bennet Diaries)!
Also:
*L O W K E Y S A S S Q U E E N.*
Compared to Elizabeth and Darcy, it's low key, but I will always adore Mr. Bennett's sass.
Any adaptation that lets the Dom be as British as possible is always a treat!
The book is much more subtle, especially about the Bennet parents.
The prejudice that Lizzie has to address also regards her father.
She has always been his favourite, so she has always believed what he believed. She had grown up thinking her mother foolish and "siding" with her father.
IN the book it is made clear that by the end she realizes that her father has been horribly lazy, self indulgent, self absorbed, not been responsible for anything, especially his daughters.
This is one of the things that Darcy is able to see. Darcy's comments about how badly Mr Bennet has let down his children enrages Lizzie in no small measure because if she has to think critically, or rationally, about her father's behaviour and views, this means she will have to think critically about Mr Bennet's lifelong telling Lizzie that she is superior. This is almost the most important thing for Lizzie to do. If she fails to see what her father is, she will spend the rest of her life just like him - someone who sits about being extremely judgemental about others, but failing to look at herself ....precisely what she is accusing Darcy of being like.
Mr Bennet is awful. He liked his wife behaving in a stupid way, as it made him feel superior. Lizzie finally realizes that what he SHOULD have been doing was helping to moderate his wife's behaviour, and the younger daughters', not encourage it - which he did. It is very tough for her to go from being her father's partner in looking down on others, into seeing how badly he has behaved all his married life, and the terrible effects this has had. HE is ultimately responsible for making one of his daughters, Lydia, be unhappy all her life - and that is really really horrible.
Yes, this. So many people don't understand how bad Lydia's behavior really is because of the way it is described in that time period so they don't understand that Jane and Elizabeth are begging their father to do his job and protect her BEFORE something happens.
16:48 Same, cracks me up every time! He's giving Wickham the, "I-don't-actually-have-a-gun-to-your-head-but-basically-yeah-I-DO" look. 🤣
I'm glad you mentioned the 'entail' of Mr. Bennet's estate. That's something that a lot of people miss when talking about these books.
It’s a major plot point, how can anyone miss it?
I know, right? So many reviewers are like 'Mrs Bennett is an evil, scheming bitch who is blind to her daughters' happiness.' Mrs Bennett is a mother terrified that her children, and she herself, will end up destitute and desperate because of patriarchal bullshit, and is taking the only course of action which has a decent chance of protecting them from that outcome. I can't be sure, but I think that the only viable alternative, employment as a governess, is even discussed in the book and it's pointed out that this renders a woman a glorified servant who will have to move from family to family in hopes of scraping together enough to avoid starvation when she's too old to work, all while living as a virtual social outcast because a 'glorified servant' can neither be friends with the actual servants nor friends with her employers.
Dominic is correct when he points out that Mr Bennett is actually kind of a dick for not being overly concerned about what happens to his family after he's dead.
@@pollyrg97 I don't know if that's outright stated in P&P, but it's a pretty big deal in Emma with regards to Jane Fairfax and the not-so-great choices she has left in front of her after her genteel upbringing with her friend: find a decent husband or become a governess. She winds up with Frank Churchill, so depending on your outlook, she did neither. :/
@@pollyrg97 also, the instant darcy is rude to lizzy, she immediately hates him, even though the books says lizzys the one she least likes, she still has an immediate "how fucking dare you" to him slighting her child
Yeah. Also I don't know why but, as of recently I've seen a LOT of people mistakingly believe that the entail means any man who marries one of Mr. Bennet's daughters will inherit instead of the girls, when in fact nope, the cousin WILL inherit no matter what.
If it was as those people say, Mrs. Bennett would not need at least ONE rich son-in-law (to take care of his sisters-in-law if need be), any rando would do.
The title has a noted lack of zombies.
pride and prejudice and zombies is a guilty pleasure of mine😊😅
This should be the next adaptation he reviews
Honestly that’s one of my favourite guilty pleasures
fuck it, I don't feel guilty about unironically enjoying that movie
It would be a great triple feature to follow this with a book comparisson between P&P and P&P&Z and that with a book to movie comparison for Zombies.
"it's disturbing how well this dress fits my... manly, manly chest" nearly choked on water when i heard that
This is why I will always say that a mini series is the best form for any faithful adaption, because sometimes you just need the extra runtime to do it justice.
Idk what I love more Dom-Darcy or Dom-Lizzy because both are equally excellent
How dare you speak to me!
@@ForrestFox626 DAAAAARCEEEEEEYYY!
Immediately stopped what I was doing to watch this 💗💗💗
I appreciate your take so much. A professor once embarrassed me in class for reading Jane Austen because obviously she's dumb since there's romance. But she is so biting and observant.
The Lizzy Bennet Diaries is a fantastic modernization. They adjusted some of the plot points to make way more sense for current times.
How big of a twat do you have to be to stigmatise a genre?
Id like to see him try and defend that position on romeo and juliet
I LOVE The Lizzie Bennet Diaries. Such a creative adaptation!
LBD brought a new level of understanding to a lot of the different situations, especially Lizzie rejecting Collins/why Charlotte accepts it and the Dickham situation with Georgie and Lydia.
@@CiarnaK Agreed. In modern times, it's so accepted that people should marry for romantic love and no other reason that Elizabeth comes off as OBVIOUSLY right and Charlotte can come across as a heartless gold digger. LBD reframing it as something that modern people struggle to make idealistic vs. pragmatic decisions about was a VERY smart take.
My favorite modern adaptation is Bride and Prejudice. It's cheesy, bright, Bollywood fun.
my favorite thing to ever come out of the Internet is
“Mr. Wickham, step AWAY from the underage girl”
Jane Austen is my favorite author. Her wit and sarcasm, backhanded jabs at conventional social rules and the clever way her characters develop off the page is amazing to meet
My favorite book is ‘sense and sensibility’ but I got into Pride and Prejudice through watching ‘The Lizzie Bennet Diaries,’ a youtube webseries from when I was 12 and didn’t know what Pride and prejudice was!!
The Lizzie Bennet diaries webseries has 100 episodes, but I think it’d be really cool if you looked at it too!!!!! Looking at the other Pride and prejudice adaptations, like the Keira Knightley film and the Bollywood movie - I’M HERE FOR IT
I really enjoyed "Northanger Abbey" because a significant portion of it was just Jane Austen being really snarky in the narration.
Like when she says that other authors are trying to put themselves out of business by portraying reading as something that the main character doesn't like.
Or when she just goes: '[He is] the most charming young man in the world. Any further definition of his merits must be unnecessary; the most charming young man in the world is instantly before the imagination of us all.'
And then the last line of the book is hilarious in the way that it recontextualizes the story and the actions of the characters.
15 isn't actually underage at that time, as shown by the fact that Lydia was "out" at age fifteen, meaning she was eligible for marriage. In those days, girls only went "out" in society to socialize (esp with the opposite sex) once they reached an age where they were legally allowed to marry, even if the event was being held in their father's home. Witness the whole brouhaha in Mansfield Park when Mary Crawford was puzzled over Fanny Price's "out" status. "Out" means they were officially put on the marriage market, so Lydia was definitely not considered underage in Regency England.
theInsaneRodent Modern people today know that 15 is “underage” because human beings are not fully mentally developed at that point. Regardless of the context one lives in, the reality is that Lydia was an underage girl.
Yes, it wasn’t unusual back then for a girl of 15 to be out in society, but her wild behavior is quite typical of most overexcited 15 year old girls. Elizabeth herself tries to urge their father to keep Lydia at home since she knows Lydia is far too immature for parts society - but, alas, Mr. Bennet decides that Lydia will grow from the social experience and mature while there, and instead the family is embroiled in scandal when their daughter - who is too childish to really grasp the seriousness of her actions - runs off with Mr. Wickham. The problem here appears to be that such a childish girl was “out” at all - which they are all very aware of, even if Lydia being “underage” was not a concept of the times. This is why Mr. Bennet resolves to not make the same mistake with poor Kitty.
@@laurenjohnson5941 "keeping her at home" part is less to do with her age and more to do with her lack of family supervision (unmarried girls were supposed to be chaperoned until they leave the marriage market at age ~30), esp since Mrs Foster was barely older than she and almost as wild. Since it sparked so little talk in the beginning, it is actually not uncommon for 15yo to stay with a family friend as long as she is "out". And as we see, Lydia didn't change at all after marriage even in the epilogue, which suggests her childish nature has NOTHING to do with age but lack of discipline. People don't magically gain adult maturity the minute they ding 18 or 21 as the case may be.
@Laurie Amber - so glad someone brought up Bride and Prejudice ! It’s such a fun Bollywood take on the tale. 😉☑️
Mr. Bingley is indeed a sweet, sweet cinnamon roll. However, "Longbourn" is the name of the Bennet's estate. The nearby town is called Meryton.
Actually, Longbourn is referred to as a "town" in the books, with Meryton being the nearest larger settlement. Not sure what exactly town means in this regard, but the Bennetts are described as the primary inhabitants of said town.
@@sailiealquadacil1284 janeausten.fandom.com/wiki/Longbourn
@@sailiealquadacil1284probably means that Longbourn being an estate has a village of tenant cottages which it is the centre of.
I really enjoyed this. the 1995-version is my favourite version of Pride and Predjudice, so I'm glad you used this one. Neige's Darcy-song made me laugh so much I almost chocked.
It's my wife's favorite adaptation.
Yes, I refuse to accept the other version as anything but fanfic.
@@GrainneMhaol I watched it once and hated it. It might have been ok if I hadn't already loved this one. The newest one moved much too quickly for me. Also, the miniseries is pretty much word for word the book. I was quite surprised when I read it.
How did you comment two days ago?
20:10 "he can see your *ss just fine no need to leave his chair" That is 100% from the book and I love it.
14:00 Well, Jane Austin makes it clear that while the entail does weigh on her, she also makes it clear that the mother was being silly in not really caring who her daughters married as long as they got husbands regardless of suitableness of personality or fortune. neither really Wickham had. In this and other works she indicates that a bad marriage could be worse than no marriage.
the Father also reflected near the end of the book about how bad he had been at being the only reasonable parent and what he should have done for his daughter's future so he wasn't depicted as a good father just the more intelligent of the two and maybe a bit lazy.
This might be among my top 10 favorite books
Polly RG also, the instant darcy is rude to lizzy, she immediately hates him, even though the books says lizzys the one she least likes, she still has an immediate "how fucking dare you" to him slighting her child
Like Darcy pointed out though the father wasn't fully the reasonable parent, and in the story we as readers also see that because he saw that Lydia was determined to ruin her reputation to some extent but he thought her antics were funny and fate and society would manage to keep her enough in line because he was too lazy and too amused to bother holding her back or trying to make her a little more rational.
Re Mrs. Bennet: the thing is, Austen is absolutely lampooning not just the marriage obsessed mothers in her world, but also the rigid social, financial and class structures that produced those marriage obsessed ladies. This mini-series dialed Mrs. Bennet up to 11, no doubt. But we are NOT supposed to think Mrs. Bennet is anything but ridiculous, as is the societal restrictions that made Mrs. Bennets so common.
“I wish dude's clothing did that.” hey, man, there's nothing stopping you
I support
"I have your promise right here in my pocket! Goodness, that's not a promise, I'm so embarrassed! Perhaps this crank can summon it!" I was DYING. I have not laughed this hard in weeks.
"Lizzie" doing the hand crank finger really got me XD XD XD
I introduced my daughter to Jane Austen when she was ten by showing her this miniseries. When she read the book after, it was much easier for her to understand the writing and it's now one of her favorite books (and adaptations).
My mom did something similar for me. I don’t even know how young I was when I first saw the miniseries, but the 2005 adaptation came out when I was 9 or 10 and it was definitely before then. I’m now a lifelong fan of the book as well as most of the adaptations.
This is how I got into it. Saw the TV series then read the book when about 12/13. I think this is the best adaptation for being able to get into the original novel. It took a couple of goes for me to finish Sense and Sensibility (Though I adore the film) and have never finished eading Northanger Abbey.
"HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO ME???!!!"
I'll have to remember that if I'm pissed off at someone, and they won't leave me alone.
Funnily enough, the stigma of being a woman author is also why Harry Potter was published under "J.K." instead of "Joanne"...the publishers didn't think boys would want to read a story written by a woman. ^^"
Things change very slowly indeed...
Also, in the 70s... the author of The Outsiders, S.E. Hinton. I thought it was written by a man for years.
Gwen Sandau holy shit wait it's written by a women????!!!!!!
@@colonyofrats4193 Yes! The "S" is for Susan.
In an ironic twist, the same could be said for E.L James author of the Fifty shades of grey trilogy.🤮
Depending on the country
I knew I would love this review when one of the very first things Dom brought up was how incredibly sassy Jane Austen was. It's a detail far too many adaptations miss in favor of focusing on the upper class romance plots.
I think a great deal of of Austen's sass comes from how aware (and possibly resentful) she was of the degree to which young women of her class had basically no other life options beyond 'romance a man. Get him to marry you. Hope he isn't a rake. Spend the rest of your life being his wife.'
They completely miss the satire and social commentary. 🙄 However I do love some romance too.
"Jane Eerie"? That's a film I'd like to see.
Benjamin Whitrow, as Mr Bennet, is just so lovely.
In the same line as pride, prejudice & zombies. But, like, Jane Eyre with ghosts
He's just lovely. Donald Sutherland doth not compare.
@@GrainneMhaol Agreed. I like Donald Sutherland as an actor, but I didn't feel like he nailed it the way Benjamin Whitrow did.
Things they kept: **recounts entire plot**
I'm glad you pointed out the wit in Pride and Prejudice, especially this version. One of my favorite parts is when Mary is getting preachy about the lesson they can learn from their little sister running off to knock boots with Wickham and Lizzie holds back as long as she can before cutting her off with a sharp, "THANK you..."
Also, I've seen where it was suggested that ladies like the swimming scene because of seeing Colin Firth in his wet shirt (and I mean... yeah), but what was good about that scene was that it was just about the first time you started to see him as a soft and sympathetic character, starting with the old lady telling them what a nice guy he really was. Once he saw Lizzie and panicked and ran inside to clean up, failing somewhat as he bolted back outside, he was more like an eager dog than the stiff jerk he had been and you could maybe see how she might warm up to him. Before that, not so much. There's something endearing about the usually uptight character getting all self-conscious around the girl he likes.
Checks to see that it’s the 1995 BBC Miniseries.
That’ll do Dominic. That’ll do.
Oh yes, this definitely had to be the first(seeing as how it's the best) but I demand Zombies!
Yes! I absolutely love the series!
Have wished for this episode since the first time I saw Lost in Adaptation. This, largely due to length as a series, is the most faithful adaptation of any Austen story, and the sass is definitely one of the best things about any Austen piece.
I will say that I’ve never felt Lydia’s arc had a “happy” ending as such. Nobody except Elizabeth did anything for her sake, it was for the sake of the rest of the family. And being stuck with Wickam for a lifetime seemed like supreme punishment to me, a man who was never faithful and always gambling.
i took a class that specifically covered this era in literature at university and I must confess that I appreciated this book A LOT more than if I had read it on my own because of how much of the story relys on people knowing very subtle cultural aspects of the novel's setting. the professor's passion for the material was also very much appreciated, and added to the overall positive outlook on the book that I had...once I got past the flourishes in writing confusing my simple American brain I really enjoyed the book!
I once read a book on the making of the BBC show, the funniest thing I remember about it is that the american producers were trying to get Jane Austen to do some signings to revive interest in the ip
😮 seriously?!
Jane Austen brought out all Dom’s sass and I love it!
8:38 The Gardiners don't live in Darbyshire. They live in London near "Cheapside," which is why Miss Bingley made fun of them. Although Mrs. Gardiner had lived in Lampton for a while as a girl.
Elizabeth in the book is twenty, nearly twenty-one, not nineteen.
The Bennett’s live in an estate, and the estate included the house and all its furnishings (as well as things like silverware and china) all of which were basically on loan to the Bennet family until they would pass to the next male heir. The only wealth that was theirs was any income earned from the land during Mr Bennett’s lifetime, which is what they used to buy clothes and food. Mr Bennet could have started a savings out of that, but didn’t.
But from when they first meet Bingley and Darcy, until they eventually engage, it's approximately a year.
"I know this joke doesn't make any sense..." Who cares, Dom's wearing a silly hat!
"Oh perhaps this can fix it!" **pulls a Starlord**
LIZZYY!!
Echoing other comments: I would genuinely pay to see you do your own adaptation starring you in every role.
RE: 3:37 The Bennetts were the bottom of the upper class, and were acknowledged to be relatively poor, rather than actually poor. There are multiple people in the book who come from lower classes that are referenced, from Mr Whickam Sr to the Bennett's various relations.
8:40 The Gardeners do not live in Darbyshire. Mrs. Gardener grew up there, but they live in London.
I'm in the middle of rereading p&p and the sass is ICONIC! I'm literally begging you to do a comparison of all the adaptations. Just please look up the hand flex meme
This is the third time I've tried watching this this morning and I keep losing my cool at "DAAAAARCYYYYYY" 3:05 and it's making my heart malfunctions flare (oh arrhythmia, I love you). Dom, you will be the death of me, but I will at least die laughing
edit: I finally got past it AND THERE"S ANOTHER ONE OH NO
I get you. I felt the same. The "Daaaacryyyy" and "Liiiiiizyyyyy" were just too perfect! :D
Dominic gushing over one dress and repeatedly getting snagged on another are beautiful moments and they will be treasured forever
I watched that adaptation with my friend and the whole time we were laughing about emo Darcy lurking around and Mary secretly wanting to murder her family
Jane Austin is one of my top ten favourite authors, and this adaptation was how I was introduced to her. After watching the second or third episode I couldn't wait another week to find out what happened so I borrowed the book from the library. I've loved her books ever since.
Austen is one of the few authors whose books I read every year. Pride and Prejudice and Emma are my favourites by her.
@@2Ten1Ryu I really love Persuasion. It's so good.
Pride and Prejudice and Sense and Sensibility are my top two. I'm really missing my Jane Austin books right now. My mum borrowed them just before we went into Lockdown and her household are classed as high risk so I'll just have to wait it out. Or maybe treat myself to a new, nicer, set.
I love that this adaptation made someone go to the library.
you know what, I think I prefer the title Jane Erie. Dom didn't get it wrong, we did
Well, the story is rather...eerie. Hehehe.
I will now be re-imagining Jane and Rochester as eagles!
I'm imagining them all as ghosts now who ttaaaallkk lliiiikke tthhhiiiiisssss. OoooOoOOOooo
I love this adaptation. It’s one of the few things that holds up under the weight of my 90s kid nostalgia. My mom used to watch it on her VHS taped copy whenever she had a bad day. I’ve followed the tradition ever since.
I loved this breakdown almost as much as I love going for a run and thinking about how shocked Miss Bingley would be. Yeah, a run. Take that, Caroline. Are my eyes brightened by the exercise?
To be fair to Caroline, I think her shock had more to do with the fact Lizzy dared to show up socially in the same dress she walked in mud in. Comparable to you showing up for a social visit after a run without having a shower and changing into non-sweated-through clothes.
(Except not quite because I think it still has the snobby overtones of "She's so poor she had to walk here." But basically it had less to do with a woman daring to exercise and more to do with a woman daring to show up for a visit without subscribing to the social norms for a visit.)
I'm sorry Dom, you're usually very thorough, but this time you completely overlooked a crucial part of the story...
Not one mention of zombies, not even once!
As stupid as it sounds, that book is actually why I read this one. I wanted to read the zombies version, but I decided I needed to read the real one first.
Silly fool! That is the second edition of the book, the first never mentioned zombie.
I like the bit where she kicks his head into the mantlepiece. And the ninjas. :D
For once I felt that the movie was better. The movie of the zombie version, I mean...
Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth. *sigh* Between this and the adaption of The Camomile Lawn she will always have a special place in my heart.
Everyone says how perfect Colin Firth is as Darcy (they're 100% right in that regard) but I feel like more people should also bring up that Jennifer Ehle was the best Elizabeth Bennett. I think she has the perfect expressions and witty line delivery that is really unmatched!
@@Nightman221k I definitely liked Jennifer Ehle more than Keira Knightley (no shade, just my opinion). Ehle embodied the spirit of Lizzie being cleverly witty but never harsh or rude, standing her ground and not taking any shit but never being disrespectful. Knightley had her moments like the rejection scene, but she came across as too forcefully "rebel girl". There was a subtlety to Elizabeth that Knightley didn't have.
During the pandemic, Jennifer Ehle started a RUclips channel of herself narrating a chapter of Pride and Prejudice each day. It is uniformly charming!
I would literally give all my money to see Dominic do a one-man production of Pride and Prejudice in the style of the little skits he did in this episode. I die every time I see them! 😂😂😂
"did I f****** stutter?!" 😂
I'm sure this miniseries is amazing (I've never seen it but heard amazing things), but your skits here honestly the best adaptation of Pride and Prejudice we could ever have asked for.
I always thought Mr. Collins should have married Mary. They seemed well suited to each other, though Charlotte is probably better for him in the long run, as a person.
Mary clearly has a crush on him! I mean I get that we're supposed to feel Charlotte's desperation, but Mary might have actually liked the guy.
Poor Charlotte seemed to not love herself when she justified it like, "Well, I'm old and plain so I might as well marry this awkward dummy cause I can easily manipulate him to not bother me." I wouldn't have minded if she had an arc where she decided she deserved better. Where as Mary in the miniseries was totally into Mr. Collins and they were both kind of awkward and maybe would have ended up working well as a couple.
Don't be ridiculous. With Mr. Collins's self-inflated opinion of himself? He'd never settle for bookish Mary. (Though they certainly had more in common than anyone else.)
Edit: In case it's not clear, the one I really think is ridiculous is Mr. Collins.
@@klawzie You're right, but he and Mary might have fit well together as a couple.
I think in book-canon, Mary is interested in him and eagerly awaiting him transferring his intentions "down the line" to her as the third oldest, but Mr Collins is not interested in her -- yes, because he feels insulted by the whole Bennet family, but mostly because Mr. Collins is a shallow person who is only truly interested in beauty and station. He's not actually interested in books and theology; he's interested in being the person with Opinions. He and Mary don't actually have much in common. He would quickly come to look down on Mary, and Mary would probably end up miserable.
Charlotte, on the other hand, knows herself to be Mr. Collins' superior, understands how to "handle" him, and finds satisfaction in the independence that marriage brings her. Maybe she could have made a better match for herself, but she knows exactly the bargain she's making and is happy in it. She's unlikely to lose Mr. Collins' respect, and since she's not basing her value on his opinion of her anyway, it's not going to affect her in the same way. She may not be happy like Elizabeth or Jane, but she will most likely be quietly content.
This is my favourite adaptation of any of Austen's books. It really got the tone, and the casting was impeccable, even though they got J. Ehle to play a character that was described as "fair-haired and light-bodied". It took me less than half an hour to forgive them for that. The fact that Colin Firth chooses to be stern and frowning even when Darcy was said to have smiled and spoken kindly must be to keep Lizzy from falling for him too soon. CF is totally adorable when he smiles, he could say any kind of horrible thing and girls would melt. I just discovered your channel today, and I love your work.
Here's an interesting challenge for you: When we hit that milestone, you should include the Lizzie Bennett Diaries in your adaptations list. I'd love to get your take on it
Seconded!
Also there is a better ending for Lydia
Honestly, I was coming into the comments to say that too.
@AND ANDREY ISN'T HERE Yes!! Absolutely I love that serie
@@alexandralongacre6797 Me too, now I'm just giving this comment traction