Tacoma Pizza Cutter Upgrade - Installing 255/85/16 Tires on a Stock Tacoma
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- This is part 2 of my mini series on upgrading your stock Tacoma with 33s. If you're wondering if 33 inch tires will fit your stock 3rd gen Toyota Tacoma, this video goes through the upgrade process. As you can see here, you can fit 33s on stock wheels without a suspension lift or spacers. I replaced my stock size Ko2s with Cooper ST Maxx 255/85/16, also called pizza cutters, and compare the ride quality and fit on my stock 2019 SR5 Tacoma.
In part 1, I talk about my tire research and some of the TacomaWorld threads that I used as references to help me make this tire decision.
TrailTacoma Tire Size Guide: trailtacoma.co...
TacomaWorld points about advantages of 255/85/16: www.tacomaworl...
Second TacomaWorld thread to verify this size fits 3rd gen tacomas: www.tacomaworl...
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I had the stock 16 inch steel rims on my Tacoma with 245/75/16 Firestone LE2’s which worked great for me but I was able to get some brand new “take offs” of a 2023 4 runner and got the 17” alloy wheels with 265/70/17 Bridgestone’s and my truck looks like I put a lift on it. So much more ground clearance and no rub whatsoever. Highly recommend for 2nd gen owners and I got them for $500 and discount put them on and gave me the correct lug nuts for them for $150. So new wheels, tires, and lugs balanced and mounted for $650 out the door!
I'm looking to get same setup on my taco. Does yours have a lift kit on it?
@@josecalderon233 no sir, mine is a stock, base model, regular cab 4x4.
@@josecalderon233 I found mine on Facebook market place just fyi. Depending on where you live is how much they’ll be. Phoenix is super cheap because so many people buy a Tacoma and immediately change the tires and wheels. I needed new tires and wanted new wheels too so it worked out great and looks way better!
Your tire choice is right on. Been running them for over 3 years now. My next set when these wear out will be the same. Two things to be aware of, they will flat spot overnight in cooler temps, & they can get noisy as they wear. Rotate them with every oil change & will last longer. The flat spotting goes away within a couple hundred yards.
P.S. check your pressures monthly with an accurate gauge. I've been around a while & every set of aluminum wheels I've had eventually leach air out. My current factory set leaches quite a bit. My new ones should be here soon, been waiting over 4 months already.
Excellent video. I have a 17 Tacoma. I was going to level it with Bilstein 5100’s and put 31 x 10.5 on it but I like this idea much better. You info is clear and concise. Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback! I’m in the process of making my suspension video this and next week, so there’s more to come on that topic.
The rear leaf springs in the 3rd generation Tacoma tend to get fatigued over time, so I’m installing an ADD A LEAF when I’m having my TRD lifted 1-1.5” as well as a leveler.
Best tire and size to run on these trucks. No complaints with my coopers with all the terrains ive used them on so far. these trucks perform perfect with these. Screw anyone who judges the whole pizza cutter. Function over looks. You will love them man. 10x better than Ko2
They’ve been awesome so far. My only wish is that they came in C load rating to cut down on the weight, otherwise I’m happy as a clam with them!
Did some off roading past weekend in a stock 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4 OFFROAD at WMAT in Mattawa, did the "black " trail...no problem for the BFG KO2 265/75/16.
Even in the mud they worked beautifully.
Great info! I’m a Tacoma beginner. TRD Off road. I am in the same situation. But your video really answered all of my questions. Great job!
Just want to add, pizza cutters also give you more pressure per square inch leading to better handling and grip in almost every situation especially snow conditions. Also, they give a bigger longer footprint allowing more rubber to be working for you. Just research narrow tires vs wide tires.
YES - exactly. i've watched a few aussie and african overlanders who've mentioned the same thing.
@@unpavd I'm sure we have watched the same people. Those guys know their stuff.
This is such an underrated video mate, thank you for this great reference, I'll be doing this on my taco next year!
From Seattle too and heading down a very similar path to your build so was happy to see the shoutout for the local shop as static balancing is something that shouldn't be reserved for heavy tires. I used to work for a major auto manufacturer and our in house garage did that as a matter of course.
Excellent! That shop did a great job with my setup
I just put the 255-85-16r On my Tacoma gen3 it looks amazing it fits perfect
Do you have a lift?
You did this on stock?
Cooper makes a great tire.
I had Cooper Discoverer A/T tires on my last Ford Ranger XLT super cab 4WD.
The truck was mainly used for work around our property.
We too live in the PNW, but we’re in north central Washington state instead of the Leftist side.
I love this out of the box thinking. Glad it worked out for you!
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. I've been looking into 33inch pizza cutters recently after being pretty set on the traditional 33's. For the life of me could not find a good video showcasing these tires at a proper angle. It looks absolutely dope cant wait to get my hankooks in that size for my 4 door
great video, new subscriber here and am originally from the Seattle area. I live in West Virginia now and am getting into overlanding myself, for the time being I am just retrofitting my Sequoia to be my camper of sorts. making a drawer system/bed platform. Headed out for our first trip at the end of the month. I just got new mud terrains for my rig. wanted to put 33's on it but not too many tires available right now in the size that I needed. I wanted to go with the 305/65-17's for mine. Not too many companies offering that size. but would have settled for the 255/80-17s as well. again strike two. had to go with the size that was already on my vehicle. 265/70-17's which is ok. didn't have to do any cutting or anything. So when I get to where I need to replace these. I will be looking and probably buying well ahead of time. Thanks for your very informative video. Looking forward to seeing more of your content.
Thanks for the sub! Funny, my parents have a 2006 Sequoia from when I was in high school (still running strong at 270K miles) and I originally asked them to sell it to me for my off-road rig. No dice haha. They love it too much. Good luck finding tires. I saw something on RUclips about a rubber shortage, so not sure if that’s a contributing factor or not. If you get to the point where you’re looking to upgrade suspension on the Sequoia, I’d be interested to hear what you choose. I don’t see a lot of suspension upgrade options for 1st gen Sequoias but read on a forum that you can look at Tundra suspension upgrades since Tundra and Sequoia share the same frame - I haven’t verified that fyi. Good luck on your mods!
Nice tires👍
Is your Tacoma an SR5? What is your mpg with the new tires?
Thank you
Oh yeah, it’s 🍕 time
"You'll get these 33's when you fix this damn door!"
Man great video! If you haven’t lifted yet the Eibach stage 1 set at 2 inch is a nice modest lift.
When the pizza arrives 0:41
can't hit the road without the zawww
I have the same tires and It fits in the spare location with no mods. Not a perfect fit but it’s fine.
Good to know! I haven't tried putting my spare on yet so we'll see if it fits without me having to hammer on those undercarriage arms
I wandered in late to the video. Great video. Folks take a look at what tires (tyres) Dakar Rally vehicles use vs mall crawlers. Take a look at what long term round the world overland travellers use on their (mostly stock) vehicles...
Show us what it looks like outside from different angles.
i've got some better angles on my instagram: @unpavd_offroad also have more 360 views in my latest vid!
cool video. Just got a similar setup for my 23' Nissan Frontier pro4x. but it has 17" rims...so went with falken wild peak at3w in 255/80r17. basically 33" x 10" tires
Tire>suspension, suspension>tires
Transmission: "am I a joke to you"
hahahah! i def saw decreased mileage and when i roll up hills on the highway my transmission just doesn't know what to do
regear is the next mod? :)
@UNPAVD great content man! I have a TRD off road Taco and I'm working through getting a lift and getting tires. Your videos have been huge help!
Question - you've had this lift and tires for a while now. Did you ever get any rubbing? Had to get a CMC done?
I've looked into 33s as well. The ones I'm considering are the Toyo Open Country MT. I have a 01 4 runner with stock 16 inch rims but I did do a 2 inch lift. Hope that's enough to clear the newer tires
Just wanted to say that I think you are making some great videos. +1 subscriber
Thank you! Made my day
Thank for the awesome video. I found it extremely helpful. I’m also in the PNW, just wondering if you know if snow chains will work with this size tire?
Good question and just browsing through the first few top rated results on Amazon for "snow chains" looks like most of the top rated offerings stop at 255/75/17 so it's not looking like it. Though I used to carry chains with my previous, smaller tires and never had to use them even driving through Snoqualmie Pass or any of the Idaho or Montana passes when I drove through last winter. That said - if you're off-road an in the snow they could come in handy. I bought a pair of Go Treads which have 4 sections that fold out instead of MaxxTrax or other similar traction boards for off-road snow travel. Haven't needed chains - even though we're apparently required to carry them in WA state.
Look at All dogs offroad for rear lift options dude. the weight you have going on for ur future would handle it great. They wont sag out and will hold up the weight too. My coopers are running around 30-35PSI cold.
went with the Icon 1.5 add-a-leaf and Bilstein 5160s in the rear. huge improvement with weight support.
@@unpavd Same setup I'm installing soon when the AAL and 5160 arrive.
I love the skinny’s, when you look back at old Jeep documentaries from the 40’s they always ran narrow tall tires and would rip through anything…. Just like the old family international tractor.
Ballon tires are a long running fad IMO
Exactly! Even African Safari rigs - skinnies. I also notice semi trucks tend to run skinnier tires too
Been watching your videos, well edited, describe and lots of great information! Great work!
You made my decision for me. I'll be going with 255 instead of 285.
Though do you rub? Even on flexing suspension, or full turns? Thanks! Btw are you now lifted 2" or 3?
Nice! Glad you found the info helpful. Keep an eye out for tire load ratings while you're shopping for 255s. Most of the ones I found (and the pair that I installed) were E rated so they're in the upper 50lbs range. I believe the Toyo Geolanders are a C rated tire (48lbs i think) - my big wish is that there were more C rated/lighter tires in the 255 range.
@@unpavd thanks for the heads up! Tho are you rubbing?
@@GhettoFabulous670 Not rubbing at full turn. Went wheeling this weekend and had no issues. I will say that the tread of the tires (Cooper ST Maxx in my case) sometimes sounds like what I’d expect a rubbing sound to sound like... but no rubbing. I’m now lifted 1.5” in the front and rear (see my Bilstein lift vids), didn’t have a prob with 255 clearance with stock suspension, though that was mostly mall crawling, truck feels like there’s more room for the tires to breathe with my lift. I was originally thinking of going 3 inches, but got talked back from that ledge by folks on TacomaWorld. Turns out 1.5-2” is apparently the sweet spot unless you wanna go 3 and buy a bunch more gear to drop your diffs since a 3” lift gives the axles a more extreme angle and contributes to faster wear
@@unpavd fair enough. Tho ik a bunch of my boys wheel their 3rd gen taco hard. And they're only on 3" strut spacer and AAL in the rear. A lil harsher ride. But no issues. 4x4 still works, and the cv angles are still cherry. You're risking your front diff and axle more with a diff drop. So hense they didn't do it. After all. The boot holds grease, and not oil.
Go for 33x10.5r17 Kendall klevers. No rub
I liked all the details but I was more hoping for a review on the off-road performance of them being narrower. It just so happens that my Land Rover Discovery 2 has the 285 75/16s and a lot of these guys say they are too wide but in the Land Rover world I think they base that on because it rubs without trimming so they base everything on that and then go super skinny and look at the old Willy's Jeep or the series Rovers and say to go skinny because those were ultra skinny but those trucks were a lot lighter. I'm considering the 255 85 16 next. So basically I'm interested in how well they grip at 10 in wide instead of 11.2 in wide or whatever between the two. I've noticed when people discuss the width of tires there's never a good starting point it's always based on what rubs on that vehicle is wide and I don't care about none of that I'm wondering is there a place to find like a formula that talks about the weight of the vehicle and how wide you should have for optimal traction on X Y or Z surface if that makes sense? It's like the Jeep guys who have a rig that weighs the same as mine consider my narrow just because theirs can merely fit something wider from Factory. And I know that catching traction has nothing to do with what you can fit without rubbing and then going from there for your wider narrow consideration but has to do with the weight and the surface contact. On the one hand Jeep guys tell me minor skinny Land Rover guys tell me mine are wide and they're both only basing that on because of how well skinny or wide fit on the factory build without rubbing LOL I wish somebody would make a video of mine or anything going from a mediocre with to like an inch or more narrower on the exact same land like the exact same day or something and determine traction loss or gain
To help avoid pin bearing noise you can do a differential drop when you do your lift . A 1 inch drop should be more than adequate for a 1.5 inch lift . Sway bar relocation should not be necessary but I would do a center carrier drop to help align your driveline and avoid vibration.
I heard you it's recommended to do a rear gear when going 33s. Did you have to regear for 33 pizza cutters?
Are these new Cooper tires an “E” rated tire?
It looks like you have a Sr5. I have a 21’ Sr double cab. Do you have a lift to fit these tires ? Have you experienced any rubbing on the upper control arm ? Thanks
I didn't have a lift when I first upgraded to 33s and didn't experience any rubbing. Now I've got a 1.5" lift in the front and rear
I slapped yokohama geolandars on in 265/75r16 and have no rubbing on a 21 sr short bed all stock suspension. No rubbing even with 800lbs in the bed off road. Ittl be good if you dont have positive offset aftermarket rims.
any rubbing at full turn? or when the car is packed with 4-5 people? (on stock suspension)
Not that I felt on our off road
How are these in the winter? Debating pizza cutters vs stock rims and spacers with 285/75/r16. 2021 Tacoma trd off-road cheap rough country 3” lift with sumo springs in the back.
Have you noticed any issues with gears ? I am thinking about going this route on my 2021 trd or, everything points to this being a good option however I worry about possible re gearing which is expensive. My other option is trying 275/70/r17 which are about 32 inches.
Thanks for good information and research
I'm curious to see if there's any rubbing while turning with the front suspension fully compressed on one side. If it will go lock to lock from ride height to bump stop with no serious contact, that's awesome.
Haven’t felt or heard anything yet turning onto uphill slopes, but then again, I’m not running with a lot of weight. I’m adding an 1.5” lift in the front and rear within the next few weeks to get a smoother ride and to give a little mercy room to prevent what you mentioned. I’ve gone about 450 miles now on them both on an off road combined and still no rubbing.
@@unpavd That's great! I'm undecided on what tires and in what size to put on my '20 TRD OR. I thought I'd settled on 265/75/16, but I'm going to have to give the 255/85/16 some serious consideration. I probably won't be looking at a lift until it's paid off and the warranty is expired, but I plan on keeping it long term, so maybe 265/75 for now and 255/85 with a small lift the next time around.
@@tonyz2897 The 265s are a good looking tire and I see them quite a bit! If you've read the Trail Tacoma article on Tire Size, the 265 *appears* to be the way to go, but you can definitely hop n the 255 train without rubbing - disclaimer that's without taking added weight like bed caps, racks, bumpers etc ... into consideration. Since I know i'm adding a tent and rack which add up to about 220 lbs combined, i'm also installing a 1.5 inch add-a-leaf kit in addition to the upgraded front and rear suspension, also at 1.5 in the front to maintain some rake angle. Good luck on the tire hunt! i found the selection for 16 inch wheels to be lacking - the Coopers were the only all terrain tire i could find from Tire Discount and Tire Rack. I wrote to BFG to ask if they'd make the Ko2 in 255/85/16 - no reply haha. The suspension lift is my next mod and following that, I'm going to regear the truck. Each of my new 255s is 58lbs which adds 10lbs rotational weight. I def feel my trucj struggling to go uphill. At 65-70mph my gears will stay in 3K rpm huffin and puffin. Outside magazine just published an article on why regearing is such a game changer. I'll be making a video of how i justify the cost over time (about $3K) considering the lost of average mpg i'm seeing and avg. gas prices over the past 10 years.
@@unpavd Thanks for the suggestion about the Trail Tacoma article. I've got it open in another tab, ready to give it a read as soon as I'm done typing this. You make a good point about gearing. That's a real concern in this hilly terrain and probably another good reason for me not to get too far away from the stock tire size until I'm ready to regear. It sounds like you've got a solid plan for yours and I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
none ever
What kind of mpg did you get after adding the 33s
I'm sitting around 13-14 mpg now
Wonderful video and info. I got the impression from the way the tech wash showing you the spare bay issue was a nice guy. Yes, Tacoma world is a source of info, however I find the members to be typical 'bro's” that if they don't know the answer they post snarky BS. On that subject, I find the hole off-road community to be unfriendly and hard to deal with. Clearly not my tribe.
Did you notice any rubbing before lift? I’ve heard that there is and also that you can run there in this size with no rubbing. (Mixed information). I’m planning on keeping my truck stock height for a while and am torn between 265/75 and 255/85
I didn't feel/hear any rubbing for the month or so that I had my 255s on stock suspension. Even if there was rubbing that I wasn't aware of it must have been minuscule. I was considering 265s because there's a LOT more variety of tires to choose from, but the 33s had more appeal for me mainly because I knew that I was eventually going to upgrade the suspension. But if you have no intention of upgrading suspension, 265s should be good. Having rolled with these tires for about 5K miles now, there's no way I'd go back to anything smaller than a 33 (I'm biased). Hope that helps!
What tires did you get with? How are they?
I have a similar stock Tacoma. What I’m getting 23-24 HWY mpg on stock wheels and tires. What might I expect with similar pizza cutters ???
33 inch tire that doesn't rub the UCA
Will those fit fine on a gen2? I want to put them on mine. When your suspension is fully compressed at speed off-roading do the tires rub on the fenders?
Hrmmm I'm not sure about 2nd gens. You might have better luck asking TacomaWorld. The folks on there will be able to answer - there might even be a that about 2nd gens and skinnies already! I didn't rub at all with stock suspension, was a pleasant surprise 🙌
m.ruclips.net/video/nvW9lJA4lwc/видео.html
@@ianparsons8894 It looks like the truck in that link is heavily lifted. I'm going to keep mine stock.
Great videos man. How much were the tires if you don't mind me asking
Thank you! When I bought them last year they were around $800-$900 total for 5 ... Haven't looked a prices recently but I picked them up right before the rubber shortage last year
Could I run these on my stock 2nd gen with no rubbing? I suppose I could do some trimming if need be
Is that with the stock suspension? No rubbing?
I have a 2 inch lift, second gen. Would these fit?
i have 2020 double cab sr 4x2 and i want to go with your set up tires. would it fit? thanks
Do they rub aired down?
Which suspension are you getting? I love ur setup! I am also in PNW and would love to go to the tire shop that you installed ur tires!
Thank you! I just ordered the Bilstein 6112s (front) and 6150s (rear) since I’m mostly doing rock climbing trails in the Cascades. I was also considering the Fox 2.5s and OME BP-51s, but those seemed like overkill considering the terrain I usually travel on. If I were doing more desert runs with crazy washboard + moderate rocks, then I’d consider Fox, King or the OMEs. At this point, I don’t think I’d generate enough heat in the coil overs to warrant the investment in those top of the line models (though I’d love to check them out in the future!) The Bilsteins seem to have the most performance bang for the buck especially at 2.5 inches in shock width - so similar capacity as the Fox 2.5s without the adjustability. Def check out Courtesy Tire! They’re super nice and did a great job balancing these tires. I’ll prob post a vid in the next few weeks about how I researched and chose the lift that I did.
@@unpavd I probably will just follow ur suspension setup!! I think for my 2021 TRD Off-road, it has billstein 5100 or something, do you think if I do pizza cutter build, will it rub with stock suspension?
@@iamalemontree i just checked Edmonds and you and I should have the same height spec (albeit different suspension - yours is better than mine) so I think you’d be fine to go with a pizza cutter setup! The reason why I’m upgrading my suspension within the next few weeks is because I’ll be adding static weight (bed rack + ikamper) in the bed so once that weighs me down plus the gear I usually take over landing, plus full tank of gas, plus another person and/or dog the weight starts to add up, especially when you’re climbing and descending. Plus I’ve already had some height clearance probs (see my vid on skid plates) where I’ve torn out my driver side bumper cover. Fun fact - Tacoma 3rd gens are heavier on the driver side - if you follow Chloe Kuo on RUclips she ran into a front shock height snag on the driver side when she was installing her Fox 2.5s. I ordered my Bilsteins from Shock Surplus (also good presence on RUclips). In addition to the shocks I’m getting an Icon 1.5in add-a-leaf kit. Was around $1550 from that setup. Just be sure you also get (or research) new upper control arms. I bought some Old Man Emus for around $560. Plenty of Tacoma World threads on why UCAs are important to include when upgrading your suspension.
@@unpavd thanks so much!! 😀, do you have a shop in mind yet to install your suspension kit once it arrive? I think I will eventually need to upgrade my suspension as well since right now I have the snug top canopy on and I am worried that without the lift the pizza cutter build might rub
@@iamalemontree I'm prob looking at Tru Line Frame and Wheel in Seattle because their main focus is suspension and they've got great Google reviews - including for lift kit install and alignment (crucial)
Any update on your set up? I’ve got a 2020 TRD sport with stock rims. Planning on going with pizza cutters once my Toto’s are toast. How is the noise and any wandering or pulling issues with the ST Maxx? I’ve had Cooper tires on other vehicles and liked them.
I love these still! Drove from Seattle to LA last summer and I wasn't bothered but the noise
so, no rubbing when cornering?
Nope! All good over here
Get a heavy rubber mallet and bang on those ‘ears’ to about 45-ish degrees and your spare will fit
Good idea! I'll give it a go this weekend and report back in my next vid
following up here - do you think i should take a propane torch and heat the ear joint a little before hammering them to make them a bit more pliable?
The pizza cutter is dope for its mpg gains but I hate the lack of options with tires.....
100% I'm right there with ya. It's an area of opportunity for a few companies to jump on for sure
@@unpavd I love that tire size on overlanding builds. Considering it on my 2nd gen tacoma build, but I'm still looking at wheels and lift.
A different thing is 235/85r16 there is alot of a bigger variety!
how long did these last you before switching to new ones?
The stock suspension? I think I had the pizza cutters on with stock suspension for about 1-2months before swapping out for the Bilstein 5160s, but during that time i didn’t have any issues running stock suspension both in town and off-road
do you have to regear?
I just upgraded to 33.1” falken wildpeak m/t’s. 255/85 r16 on stock wheels and I love it. Zero issues with rubbing on stock suspension and I got pretty off camber on some forest service trails recently. My truck is getting your exact lift as I type, but they run just fine on stock Toyota suspension
There will be at4’s in this size but availability is slim
How is the setup working? I'm looking into doing this
Setup is still going strong! Haven't had any issues to date. Just rotate my tires every 5k miles during oil changes and make sure my struts aren't too sandy
@@unpavd thank you
Hey Man! what MPG are you getting with these tires ?
Averaging around 14.5
@@unpavd ouch! lol thanks man
@@unpavd is that what the dash says or what you calculated at the pump?
How’s 6th gear with the bigger tires
Little sluggish especially if you floor it to pass someone on the highway.
bro -u still alive!?? :(
What width are the rims?
Could I fit this tire on the trd pro wheels ?
Was there any pull to the right with the coopers? Still running them?
Yes! I did have a right radial pull and got them realigned. All good now. Still running these hogs 🤘
@@unpavd I ended up going with these too and am lucky haven't really noticed any pull
Do you still have your KO2 tires?
Sold them on FB marketplace
How's the road noise in comparison to K02s?
no noticeable difference to me between the Ko2s and Coopers on both highway and city driving. however, the Coopers def feel more knobby when I'm cornering (not in a bad way, just something I noticed)
@@unpavd excellent! I’m running 255/85/16 BFG KM2 mud terrains now, and it’s a shame more ATs aren’t made in this size. The MT are just too crazy aggressive for my needs, so looking at STMaxx next to tame it down some
@@hunterjohnson4954 exactly. I wrote to BFG to tell them they’re missing out on the wave of potential customers who bought Tacomas in 2020 with 16” wheels. The KM2 and KM3 is too much for me. I watched a review on the rubber composition of the KM3s and the safari guy was like - don’t buy unless you do at least 50% off-road driving. City boy over here haha. Looks like there’s more variety in the 255/80/17 (Falken Wildpeaks look nice) but I want to stay at 16” wheels so i have more rubber to work with when airing down.
@@unpavd great minds think alike- I also wrote to them and linked about 65 forum threads expressing the same desire for 255/85/16 AT tires, especially in load range C or D. That was about a year ago :)
@@hunterjohnson4954 C load YES PLEASE. That E load has me huffin and puffin up hills at 58lbs each.
Unpopular opinion: Unless you need the additional spring rate that most conventional suspension lifts come with, I would avoid a suspension lift. Yes, it's the knee-jerk reaction to every clearance issue and everyone on the forums will say you need it. However, there are negative effects to lifting a suspension on an IFS vehicle, and you will not gain additional tire clearance. I'll say it again: you will not gain additional tire clearance. The front suspension on an IFS vehicle rotates in a limited arc around a fixed center. A suspension lift only moves the static position of the tire along that arc. Any gain in up-travel comes at the expense of down-travel and the limits of the arc have not changed. If you hit the body at full compression before the lift, you will hit at full compression after the lift, and if you don't it's because the higher spring rate has limited your articulation not because you gained tire clearance. I would look into a body lift instead. A body lift moves the limits of the suspension arc. By moving the body away from the fixed center, your suspension can now move along a longer arc, regardless of what the static height of the suspension is. Add to that the fact that a) it's cheaper, b) it doesn't reduce down-travel, which is critical both on and off-road and c) it results in a lower overall COG than a suspension lift and a body lift starts to make more sense. I've been down this road many times (and spent LOTS of money figuring it out) with my built 100 series. You already went against the grain with the pizza cutters. Keep going down the rabbit hole.
3gts only offer 1 inch body lifts and they are gross. He is lifting the front end up 1.5 to level it up cuz these trucks are nose diving. In a sense youre leveling the truck out. The biggest thing he needs for the rear setup is proper leaf springs or air bags, but if ur an offroader air bags maybe not ideal. Theres no tire clearance needed for these. Let alone upgrading the suspension isnt about just lifting in general. Its about ride quality and 6112 bilsteins will give him the best of both worlds on the front and 5160s for the rear
I think you hit the nail on the head there fella! Ride quality with the Bilstein 6112s and the 5160s + 1.5 add a leaf has improved greatly. In fact, I did a little test by just leveling the truck first (skipped the add a leafs) and you'll notice in my latest vid (ikamper criticism) that my rear is sagging wayyy down. Think I only had an inch of clearance on that trip! Installing the add-a-leaf pack was a much needed mod 🤘🔥
@@unpavd Im still stock in my rear, i got an icon add a leaf waiting for me with my 5160s in the rear too lol. Just gotta get my ubolt flipkit first.
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 Yeeee buddy! 🤘
Do you think this would work on a 19 trd pro with the pro wheels? Great vid btw 👌🏻
Thank you! This prob will work even tho you're rolling with 17s - in fact you'll have more choice of shinny tires with a 17 inch wheel!
@@unpavd actually my trd pro came with 16s 😅
@@unpavd just worried about the trd pro wheels offset
@@joseguzman1731 lol my bad! then yes, your frame structure is the same at the SR5 so this tire size should work for ya!
@@unpavd hey bro, any big change in your mpg? I’m about to pull the trigger on pizza cutters !
i have the same truck, will copy you..
Nothing wrong with the pizza cutters.
what tire pressure are you running in these ?
38 on the road and 18 on the trail
That's sweet! How is your mileage?
In all I’ve lost about 3mpg on average, putting me around the 14mpg mark on a typical road trip
@@unpavd That's not bad. I think I am going to the same setting as yours, but with 17-inch wheels. Will you change the gear soon?
@@yukilwon I was planning on re-gearing in June but those plans fell through. At some point - yes - I'll likely re-gear within the next 12 months. Lucky - with 17" wheels you get more variety of skinny tires to choose from
Do I need to regear or if I drive trans on s5 will that be ok on hwy
Learn from your tire mistake. Go directly to a 2.5" - 3" lift
Did you go to 1.5" then up to 3" after that?
over 2inches of lift becomes expensive, you will need to look at UCA for proper alignment and better ride quality. Theres only so much stock parts can handle.
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 I went for a 1.5" lift installed Bilstein 6112s and 5160s with new old man emu UCAs yesterday and cornering road bumps feel way better. Heading offroad tomorrow to compare 🙌🔥