😲 Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent REACT To The SHOCKING VAR Audio After Luis Diaz's Disallowed Goal 😤
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent react to the VAR audio released after Luis Diaz's disallowed goal at Tottenham Vs Liverpool
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So the only guy who understood what was going on was the only guy that was not a referee, this sums our refs up perfectly
The only 1 to not go to saudi by any chance?
@@ashwilliams4959 Emirates NOT Saudi
Agree. And to make it worse the VAR referees said 'we can't do anything' when they eventually realised their error, almost talking down to the Tech guys as in it's not your job to speak, only to be spoken to. Terrible.
Corruption....and that guy that understood was not in on it...one guy saw what was going on and the others didn't want to see...
Perfect description of the game, Olie is the man😮
two referees in the VAR room and it took a CAMERAMAN to pick up on the error.Not just a lack of communication but total incompetence.
and sheer arrogance to not put it right
Corruption, my guess is the cameraman didn't go to saudi
No it is not incompetence, it is on purpose and we have a proof now where referee and VAR room rushed to end this situation and disallowed clear Liverpool gool counring on human mistake because They had done it before but this time enough is enough.
Liverpool should sue PMGOL and PL calling all, their mistake for the last 33 years as evidence
Corruption We need FBI
@@ashwilliams4959 you mean didn’t go to UAE, the owner of Man City.
Very simple solution: go Rugby way. Make VAR check part of the show. Make people to see it and hear it. A. Ir will take few weeks but People will like it. B. Officials will have to tidy up their act and start acting professionally as they will be exposed. 🤷♂️
The difference to rugby is that in rugby the ref asks the VAR to check anything that he is not sure about. In football VAR tells the ref that it is making a check on his decision.
@@colinmiller8361 then ...let's change it. Simples.
Very simple decision.....this isn't rugby so bin it off
@@colinmiller8361 why not both?
VAR checks in WC rugby have been brilliant, never watched the sport before but so impressed
Imagine if that happened in a World Cup Final being run by a British VAR team and a British referee...
They will never get that game!
Total debacle!
and in soudi too
Never problem wite VAR. Only in premie league. Liverpool need to sue premie league. 300m pund or new game
@@rogermas6087Lol, just a casual £300m, yeah?
Saudi wins their first world cup.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
And these are the people you CANT CRITICISE FOR FEAR OF GETTING FINED??!! REALLY?
Man Allister is likely to get fined and a suspension 😡
Russian and Chinese style dictatorship right there
Sound like Communism. Even if they are wrong, you can't criticize them.
That is the level of corruption from the FA and all their supporting subsidiaries.
@@rogeredwards4833 jokes fam
'Are you happy with this' - asked 3 times by the person that's not a referee because he's in a position where he's afraid to tell the 2 VAR refs that they've got it wrong. They knew the on field decision was offside because they said it themselves at the start of the audio.
seems im not the only one who heard
Some suggestions:
1. STOP the clock as per rugby
2. Clear description from ref to VAR re context of decision 3. VAR finds footage and puts it on BIG screen in stadium
4 Ref makes final decision from BIG screen in consult with VAR
5. Ref calls TIME ON
won't change a thing until they start firing the refs who 'visit UAE' before vital games.
@@davidsmithy123 so they're not allowed to make a living
Second the leagues don't make that call it's FIFA that do that's why you'll loss mind when FIFA started putting every minute wasted back on the clock
Third VAR is already used exactly like u said and mistake was they stood with the incorrect call
I've been saying that for years Stop the clock like Rugby
Totally agree
They don't want to copy rugby because they don't believe football fans deserve the same respect because rugby fans demand it
The only person that has a scooby is the guy operating the cameras 😂😂😂
Exactly the irony is he's the only one who wasn't a ref 😂
Make him head of PGMOL is what i say, seems like he has balls and integrity but i dont think those are the qualities corps like this want.
😂
"I cant do anything". Thats a description of their competence in their role. No Respect deserved. Its the grass roots refs i feel sorry for.
That sounds like edited on to fit the rules.
@@patrikcarlsson8975 TBH yes i feel so, i dont know why but this audio feels so unreal and edited, the fact is even more deep
But we should respect the officials right? Nope, respect is earned their is nothing to respect here. This is incompetence and negligence at its worst.
Mistaking pitchside decision offside for onside means they were not watching the game. That is negligence.
So are they not human anymore cause of a mistake is that what your saying
Too busy watching the ryder cup
This isn’t incompetence! They knew exactly what they were doing! This is CORRUPTION!
@@sherqyanstromain9580no that is what you are saying.
If it's a protocol decision then Howard Webb needs to be sacked too! The PGMOL are a complete joke - take your pick from incompetence or corruption but it's obvious that the officials aren't up to the job 😡
It’s a decent signing for united, eric ten hag first signing was to get howard webb as VAR chief , I doubt he will get sack …
it's clearly not corruption. if it's corruption, then they are the world's greatest actors.
@@graemewallace8868 with the colossal amount of money involved in football these days never discount that onfield and offield officials can't be bought by betting syndicates...
@@graemewallace8868 Not at all, the only thing they did was ignore what they heard and then gave the wrong decision to the on-field staff, no Oscar performances required. You have to understand who is saying what, the linesman is saying the on-field decision is offside and line tech is saying it is onside, the var guy confirms that the linesman is correct that it is offside, then the line tech say delay delay it is onside, the assitant var guy acts all confused until the game has restarted and then gleefully reports game has restarted nothing I can do. Totally consistent with corruption from the VAR and his assistant, the line tech obviously not in on the fix!
He was a terrible ref himself and now he runs the show so its not a surprise its a mess
Dan cook CLEARLY said "He was off, He played him off, The goal was offside". They CLEARLY knew that the onfield decision was OFFSIDE. There was NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
Corruption at the highest level, watch the propaganda media sweep it under the rug
Spurs fan, but there was misunderstandings seeing that so many ppl are talking all at once. They also repeatedly asked "are you alright with this" whilst hesitating.
Look, the VAR technology isn't what's in question, but the h00mans operating the tech. This was a massive screwup...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Intentional confusion, they are trying to make it look like they were confused. Also the line “are you happy with that image?” There should be one image the moment the ball is struck. They were trying to make it look offside, and they realized they f’ed it up. They figure we will take our 1, 2, 3 game suspension and move on we helped City we will still get paid.
@@oneshadow134 that's always been the problem it's always been refs unless u can move the humans then u can't change ppl make mistakes
Too eager to say he can’t do anything !! And the Assitant was very quick in replying yes can’t do anything .. It just feels like they did not want to do anything .
They realized they messed up the image and didn’t make it look offside. Throws doubt on all offside decisions.
Corrupt! VaR against Liverpool always a favourite
Once the game restarts they can't do anything. That's a global law of football and the PL cannot change that.
@@Darwinion the global law of football also says you are onside if at the moment the ball is played you are not ahead of the second highest defender including the goalie. So the laws were broken regardless.
@@Darwinionoh really ? So play hasn’t stopped before for eg when a player is seriously injured ? This ain’t some bs reason to stop play this is literally a goal being scored and incorrectly disallowed 😂
Liverpool should sue them....dont let this go...
Lol. Then all the other teams can sue for VAR decision's favorable to Liverpool
That's accountability
@@darrenporter1850it’s bigger than just a Liverpool thing, I’m sure if it happened to your club you’d be fuming. It’s a shambles regardless of who you support.
@@darrenporter1850good
@@darrenporter1850no end of bitter fans that hate football
Too many people talking at once. Talking over each other and not listening. This was bound to happen. They need to sort this and the rules should allow them to go back. It's a mistake!
"Check complete" is a stupid phrase. It was an accident waiting to happen. "Player is onside. Goal is good." "Player is offside. Goal is disallowed."
Dan cook CLEARLY said "He was off, He played him off, The goal was offside". They CLEARLY knew that the onfield decision was OFFSIDE. There was NO MISUNDERSTANDING or 'mistake'.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 exactly. They have to say the RESULT. check complete is dumb as hell!
@@obinneji And there is more to this than just this simple calls. VAR often has howlers when there are multiple things to check. This audio confirms exactly what I suspected: they are just clowns going at it with no actual procedure. They need to spell it out to themselves and have someone with a clip board handy to check their work.
Remember how they simply forgot to check whether Pickford taking out Virgil might be a bookable offense?
"Possible offball foul on far side. Possible offside for the passer. Possible offside for the scorer. First, checking for foul. No foul; we we are good. Second checking offside. Onside; we are good. Third, checking offside for scorer. Onside; we are good. All checks done? Yes. All checks are complete and goal is good."
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 they should hire YOU!!
No wonder Webb sat on the audio so long. No doubt dreading us hearing the chaos in what's supposed to be a professional VAR studio.
Probably did not issue all of it either.
Only people professional in that room on the day were the VAR operator and his boss Oli. The pressure to collect all that information and present it quickly and calmly is insane. The guy was on it and knew everyones job and spotted the problem in seconds.
They fucked up such a simple decision and made themselves national news!! Destroyed what’s left of their reputations
Wasn't Webb always known as Man Utds 12th man anyway? He's already questionable.
Need to release the audio of the 96 minutes to hear further comments of the decision and when did they tell the referee. Also like to hear the audio for the sending off of Curtis Jones .
And the 2 ridiculous yellows for Jota!
This is one of the reasons why they shouldn't have released the audio, people will want it for every decision they don't like
And the unbelievable yellow for Robertson where the spurs player looking out the corner of his eye and jumping into Robertson and Robertson gets booked. I've been saying for years that these refs are corrupt and now this is proving it.
@@MHWRESTLIN That's the point though, people should be able to listen to the VAR for every decision for the sake of transparency
They HAD to release it. They had to show SOME integrity.@@MHWRESTLIN
Imagine these guys as air traffic controllers. Horrifying thought.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the head VAR guy was the weakest link. The only one swearing and the only one there that seems to have lost his head.
😂🤣🤣😂😆🤗🤗🤗
Did remind me of the audio of french airlines 447 flight crash.Obviously this was only a goal not being given but the same breakdown in communication was completely the same.
Or in the army...
Check for enemies
Check complete
BANG
all dead
Have the PGMOL just admitted to the fact that none of the VAR officials are ACTUALLY WATCHING the game? I ask because Spurs were hardly in a hurry in setting up a free kick instead of both teams waiting in the centre circle. Just by seeing what was happening on the field during the checking process; it should have been obvious that the ref was requesting a check on a disallowed goal not an awarded one. I'm a Spurs fan BTW.
Look how fast they looking at the replay and you get answer, soon as the ball hit the net they are looking at it they missed the flag because of this, you need to see the footage that comes with the audio for full context of this
Yes, I agree with you, but the VAR room shouldn't have to rely on observing where the players are lining up for the restart. It should be part of the review process to determine exactly what the on-field decision was.
@@tommo010the flag only went up after the goal!
He must have been told in his earpiece!?
The ref team are Not doing their jobs and relying on the VAR and micromanagement in their ear 👂🏼
@@P.H.888 this is troll right? you don't actually think VAR told him to flag do you?
The lino thought it was offside, they are told to wait until the end of of phase of play before flagging for offsides it been this way since VAR came in we see it multiple times a game.
@@P.H.888what are you talking about? You can even hear in the audio. That’s been the rule for years now that the flag stays down until a resultant action occurs. Give your tinfoil hat a rest for a sec
If the error happened on the last day of the season and caused a team to be relegated, what would happen? Replay the game? Award an additional point? There has to be a way to correct or balance out extremely bad errors.
Replay the game is a fair play move... and the officials who made that error not getting paid!!
For a goal that’s been disallowed wrongly and they realise it so quickly, just stop and award the goal and go to kickoff. If the match has ended and it’s found out after the match then that’s just bad luck. That happens all the time. And always has. But while they are still on the pitch there’s no excuse for not stopping if they realise there’s been a mistake. This was literally 30 seconds after as well. Not 15 minutes. You would never have a situation where they realised a mistake after 1 minute anyway… so just stop.
Liverpool were taking these 3 points, guaranteed. Because of this, they should definitely replay this game.
@@redsmaroon8906 The referees decision is final! Like it or hate it, you can't change the results.
Great point
That communication was like a Modern Warfare 2 lobby in 2009.
🤣
Remember, no Russian
The fact of the matter is that even after saying check complete, they STILL didn't realise what happened apart from the video operator who immediately saw the VAR had screwed up and even as he was trying to tell them they made a mistake they didn't Immediately understand. It seems only that lad was watching the game. Lord knows what the rest were doing. They had time to pat themselves on the back and say good process lads though
I'm pretty sure you can hear the same video operator saying something like woah, woah, woah while the ref was patting them on back with the good process stuff.
He also gave them another couple of chances to change their mind and I don't think they even paid attention until he says we provided them with an onside image.
@@Redemption80when you have one job and someone repeating stuff in your ear then you can’t say not paying attention. This is jus pure corruption. They chose to ignore them words and play dumb and wait for time to pass to say they can’t do anything
I'm not one for accusing people of corruption, but it does look bad when you look at their recent history and some of the strange comments on the audio.
At the very least it sounds like they knew you messed up and wanted to cover it up rather than take ownership of the mistake.
Why check complete in any case they should just call it like it is 'its a goal!'
They knew exactly what they were doing!!
Not once did anyone clearly say “he was ONSIDE!” (Until the check was complete for any idiots out there who like to look clever in the comments of RUclips videos rather than provide an intelligent comment of their own) That would have ended the confusion. All this talking about lines and boots and checks and they don’t use simple language to be clear what the final decision is! 🤦🏻♂️
Absolutely unreal. So so amateur
You can hear him say onside on the audio numpty open your ears 1:42
'Onside' and 'offside' can sound pretty similar. In rugby they say 'you may award the try'. Therefore, say either 'you may award the goal' or 'the goal is good'.
I’m with you. The language they use - you can understand it but it’s not the clearest. If you’re having even a slightly off day you’d misunderstand something easily.
@@holeefuk413you mean the one that’s said 20 seconds AFTER they say CHECK COMPLETE! That’s useful. And I’m the numpty 😂
As Benty eluded to yesterday, Stockley Park is packed full of all the tools they need to their jobs, except one. Courage
Tools being the right word
@@ianpurcell4445😂😂
After check complete the VAR guy said OFF to the ref.. people keep missing this
Yeah how is that being missed??? Clear as day.
That's the on-field ref I think, saying "Off" to the players, as he's just heard "check complete" So he's relaying what he thinks is the correct decision, to them.
All an absolute shambles.
@@AntonyJ92 You mean it's like kids playing with a talkie saying 'off' after they finish talking? That would be funny if it isn't so serious.
SkySports were complicit, so this wasn’t just a simple case of incompetence.
Are we expected to accept these seasoned professionals are this incompetent?
And SkySports forgot to show the footage also?
Plus all the other atrocious Ref decisions too?
all in it together at the top.
Lol.. Conspiracies have apparently infiltrated all aspects of life. Better be careful....
This is just A case of miscommunication. They just need better protocols... I Don't think skysports were "complicit"... in the moment.. no one knew what was going on... VAR @stockley park tryna figure out what's just happened.. Why the onfield ref has given no goal.... The broadcasters (skysports) tryna figure out what's going on at VAR to ruled out an onside goal.... Everyone was in the state of confusion as this sequence of events has never happened before... I Just think no one knew what to do in that moment and froze as there is no precedent/procedure as to how to rectify the mistake..
Imagine that happening against City. I can’t.
You’re joking right? Other than United, no team has benefited more from refereeing decisions/VAR over the past five years than Liverpool.
@@LeominsterFC But they were all correct, no? So in other words. No clubs have had more on-field decisions wrongly go against them than Liverpool, right?
@@LeominsterFCLiverpool had the best offside trap, obviously they would get more var calls.
@@LeominsterFCthey’re always the victims though
Try bein a BLADE 😂
They talk about not breaking the rules by stopping play but happy to break the rule by disallowing a legitimate goal 😂
The referee IS allowed to stop the game at his discretion though!
Pulling back for the "OFFSIDE MATE" just checking the "OFFSIDE" - They knew exactly what they were checking for, no excuses
Yes. They were checking to see if Diaz was offsides thinking the onfield decision was a goal.
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that in their explanation they said that they thought it was an awarded goal. Its clear they knew it was given as off. They ssy it clearly "checking the offside"
Liars
Go watch the video with the transcript. The video operator knows it's been given as offside on the pitch and is calling out that "our image shows its inside".
The VAR official who communicates to the ref thinks it's been given as a goal on field. So he says, yup the check is ok. This indicates to the ref that no mistakes have been made and that his decision to award offside was correct.
That then leads the video operator to say what what. This is wrong. He is trying to get the VAR and assistant VAR to delay the game but they say it's too late.
For me the issue is that the VAR should not be using language like it's ok. He should be stating what actually happened. For example.
"We can see on replay that the player is clearly inside and that this should stand as a goal". Saying yup ok has no information that either is on the same page.
They're checking for an offside decision. Not every thing is a conspiracy. They just suck at thier jobs.
Did they not see the offside flag. What does check complete mean.. this is such an obvious lie. They knew it was given as offside. Anything else is a lie. If anything this audio proves fraud.
You cannot be a referee and not know when a linesman raises a flag that it's not offside. You have to know this. Secondly whenever else have they said merely check complete. Nothing else.
It's only when the person not part of it catches on that they swear cause they in trouble and caught out. Even then they say they happy then he persists and they happily say no problem can't do anything to bad.
Would be nice to hear the Audio from the sending offs aswell
They didn't know the call was offside but damn they were all over calling down to get Jones that fake red.
The Referee is to blame, he intentionally restarted the game
ABSOLUTELY, usually ref makes it clear what the VAR meant. We saw that at the world cup.
The ref and linesman were both ridiculously bad . The whole crew needs to be fired today.
@@TheAlexZorba fired is not enough dude.. just imagine how many billions the official gets by match fixing
That was actually worse than i expected.
During the Women's World Cup the referees were announcing the decisions of the VAR to the stadium before the match was restarted. Why can this not happen in the PL?
Because the PL voted not to have audio played at their matches.
If this was the only incident against Liverpool in thus match, just move on. But it was not several things happened in this match that looked like it set Liverpool up to lose.
Where was the check for Tottenham player hand shove on face.
Freeze of Curtis Jones on big screen.
Jota first yellow when guy tripped over his own feet.
Tottenham players showing fake yellow card to ref, are you meant to be booked for this now.
Andy robinson yellow card when Tottenham player jumped into him.
Penalty waved away. Contact was made on player just before ball. Was that not what VVD got sent off for.
So for me there was more than one human error in this match.
All they had to say was award goal
The bloke who knew what was going on was the only one who hadn’t to been in the UAE 48 hours earlier
In rugby the on field ref always states his decision and asks for confirmation. Why on earth isn't that done for Premier League matches?
You beat me to it. The words “you may award the TRY” are always heard from the TMO after such a check. Why they don’t say”You may award a goal”
Same with cricket, the third umpire will say decision is out you need to reverse your decision. The decision is out. Confirming the decision and the action needed, it's enough for the ref to request further confirmation even if part doesn't make sense.
Var offical didn't hear the ref say 'OFF!!' WTF guys!! so do Liverpool get the goal then?? they had chance to put it right during the game so good goal should be given.
Or “delay, delay, delay” if he is not going to flag for offside what is he delaying. The media and PGMOL are trying to gas light.
I'm shocked by the stupidity... so we actually have multiple VARs competing with one another!? This is really bizarre
City have greased enough palms, so this would never happen to them. What happened to the breach of 100 rules that City made?
Refs heading over to the UAE 🇦🇪 expensive perks!!should all be fired
I would like to hear the audio for Jones’s tackle also
No wonder no FIFA didn't have English referees at the world cup 😂
Included in the transcript, but strangely missing from the subtitles in the video that was released (why so??) is the last word from VAR Darren England to the referee, as the referee blew his whistle and raised his hand to signal offside to restart the game. That was the word "Off". If the referee has asked VAR to check whether a player was on or offside, and the last advice from VAR to the referee is the single word "Off", what else is the referee supposed to think was the final ruling from VAR on the question, other than that the player was offside? So this cannot be described as a misunderstanding or miscommunication by any objective analysis. Otherwise Darren England should be made to explain what else he meant by saying "Off" as his final word to referee Simon Hooper, which otherwise makes no sense. So that fewer people miss the significance of this decisive call of "Off", as well as in order to set the record straight, PGMOL should re-release their video, this time including in the subtitles the key word "Off", which is audible in the sound, and shown in the transcript as stated by VAR Darren England as his last word back to the referee on the check, but is oddly missing from the subtitles. Too many people appear to be distracted by the ineffectual confusion after the key final call from VAR Darren England to the referee of "Off", as the referee blows to re-start the game with an offside kick. Almost everyone, both in the studio as well as in this comments section, seems to be missing the wood for the trees here. Astonishing.
You're completely right! It also sounds weird like there was a cutoff in the audio at that point. Can't proof it ofcourse. But definitely heard the word "off", which is pretty strange in that circumstance.
I slowed the recording down to slow mo and you can clearly hear them say offside from the very beginning and even when they get asked by the cameraman are you happy with this, they continue to say yes offside goal, it's not until he says but you showed an onside image that they realize they have just been caught out. from then on in its about how do we keep the decision of offside. it's clear corruption in my mind.
Regardless of what the rule book says about not stopping the game, if the VAR team know an error has been made, they have to tell the ref to stop the game.
They've made the situation worse by relying on the rules. I hope Liverpool use the full force of the law to hold them to account.
The irony of suggesting they should have disregarded the RULES but then commanding Liverpool to use the full force of the LAW to hold them to account 🤣
@@hooky17 the irony of using the word irony but not really knowing what it means. Dictionaries exist for people like you.
@@casperskestrelspot on 👏
@@casperskestrel Right. Like he would know how to use a dictionary.
"Checking the offside, delay delay"
30 seconds later
"Check complete, check complete, it's fine"
So within 30 seconds they forgot they were checking for offside or just forgot to mention the check complete is for offsides???
People hearing what they want to hear, they check every goal like that for offside its process in the VARs mind he's looking to see Diaz is offside cause he didn't hear/see the onfield call, whats clear to me the VAR is already looking at the replay which is why he missed the flag as soon as he see's Diaz onside he calls check complete because that what he was looking for. The fucked up massively that much is true but this narrative of a conspircy is not there. Its clear the process needs to change and they only need to look at Rugby League to a flawless working system to adopt.
Usually takes 3 minutes!
They couldn’t get it started quickly enough!
Like the Jota yellow swapped and red instantly!?
Isn’t this the same ref who sent off McAllister for LFC a few weeks ago!?
@@tommo010who told the linesman to put his flag up after the goal??
Transcript
VAR: Possible offside, Díaz.
Assistant referee 2: Give it.
Assistant referee 1: Coming back for the offside, mate.
VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay. Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?
Referee: Yeah, no worries mate.
Replay operator: So, here we are. Just get a tight angle.
VAR: Yeah, give me 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that.
Replay operator: So frame two there?
VAR: That’s fine. Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.
Replay operator: Let me just switch angles.
VAR: Romero, I think it is?
Replay operator: I think it might be this angle better? Happy with this angle?
VAR: Yep.
Replay operator: 2D line on the boot?
VAR: 2D line on the boot.
Replay operator: Yeah, OK. So 2D line on the boot.
VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.
Assistant referee 1: Playing.
Referee: Cheers mate.
VAR: Thank you mate.
Referee: Well done boys, good process.
Replay operator: Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?
Assistant VAR: Yeah.
Replay operator: Are you happy with this?
Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah. That’s wrong that, Daz.
VAR: What?
Replay operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah, it’s onside. The image that we gave them is onside.
Assistant VAR: He’s played him, he’s gone offside.
VAR: Oh *expletive*
Replay operator: Delay, delay. Oli’s [PGMOL Hub Ops] saying to delay, Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Pardon?
Replay operator: Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.
VAR: Can’t do anything.
Replay operator: Oli’s saying to delay, Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Oli?
Fourth official: Yeah?
Replay operator: Delay the game, to delay the game? Stop the game.
VAR: They’ve restarted the game. Can’t do anything, can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah, they’ve restarted. Yeah.
VAR: I can’t do anything. I can’t do anything. *expletive*
How does saying check complete mean the ref can disallow the goal and restart the game?
Because they wanted to make sure liverpool lose the game . This much is actually obvious from the audio
How can the VAR watching the game not know that the ref gave offside.? What was he watching? He quickly said check complete and started forming deaf and dumb when he was being corrected. Till he allows the game to restart and says he cant stop the game. If referees can bring back fouls and stop games to give penalties.
They were watching porn.
Under the current rule, if VAR said it was a goal and the Ref misheard and thought they said it wasn't a goal, once he started the game again it would be ahh thats your bad luck whoever the team is, WOW
No. A referee is allowed to stop the game at his discretion.
@@gillie-monger3394 Read my post again, no one said the Ref can't stop the game at his discretion but he couldn't stop the game again once he restarted to say we made a mistake it was a goal sorry Spurs it's really , Spurs -1 Liverpool-2, put your reading glasses on it might help
They knew what they were doing… they delayed on purpose
Facts
Match fixing at its best.
I keep thinking about the various small tweaks they could have made to the process, but I always come back to why didn't the VAR just say "the goal is onside, check complete"? How simpler can you get?
psychologically, it's extremely painful for someone to award a goal to the team they want them to lose, subconsciously they'll skip the facts that they don't want to hear, and just speak out the rest of the sentence, so it become "check complete" instead. Of course, the other more credible explanation is corruption, yes, they did it with agenda.
Are these people deliberately choosing not to mention that the assistant VAR clearly says they checking the offside call? And then goes on to say that diaz was played offside? Are these reporters actually stupid or are they just selectively choosing what to mention?
”perfect" communication between refs for the two Liverpool red cards.
That's shocking....
On the VAR Video from their end it says "Checking Disallowed goal - Offside" so something is very fishy about all this beyond human Error.
it's human error. i respect your attempt to creat this random conspiracy theory but it's a simple human error.
@@richierichie1332 VAR clearly says, checking for offside.. this is what they were checking, this is what needed to be relayed to the ref and the big screen on field.
So why is it.. all they said was check complete..
Check complete does not verify offside nor onside.
Infact "check complete" does not verify anything for the ref to resume the game.
WHY did the ref not verify the findings from VAR.
@@richierichie1332Bu bu bu but it’s Liverpool, it’s obviously a major conspiracy against them 🥴 Victim FC
@@LeominsterFCempty head if lfc didn't speak up and demand answers it would of got worse for every prem club if you lay down they walk all over you and you become a victim,stand together and speak up your strong lfc aren't victims we lead others follow.
Darren England said 'Checking Possible Offside" - explain that
Thank you, all these muppets want to believe it was an honest mistake it wasn't.
Everyone seems to be missing this.
Checking possible offside suggests he thought it was a goal. He wasn’t checking possible goal. He was checking possible offside (I.E, it was a goal, but let’s check it wasn’t offside).
@@Robert-ks5ixso if it wasn’t an honest mistake what was it for? Against LFC ? By whom ? I’m genuinely interested to know because I don’t 👍
@@MUFC1933match fixing to win bet.
This hilarious thing is, because this is such a high profile incident, its covered up the VAR failings for Brentford and Man City this weekend
I am a Liverpool fan for 52 years and counting and I have no empathy for our owners, but on this occasion they have my full backing and this showed to me and millions and millions of Liverpool fans all around the world should be very proud of our owners calling out Howard Webb and VAR for what they are.
I have other rival fans saying stop throwing your toys out of our pram, but this is not just about Liverpool as our owners called it out for a reason to protect our beloved game. On Saturday evening Barcelona were getting charged for bribing referee’s and then we have millions and millions off football fans watching Spurs v Liverpool then they get to watch one of the worst decisions since VAR was introduced and it was a VAR operator saying Luis Diaz was on side and for me there were to me chefs in the kitchen and this is a truly horrendous decision.
If this happened to teams that are fighting relegation and say this happened and the team that scored and as I said if this had happened then the team on the last day would relegated costing that team millions and millions of pounds and this decision could also effect a team winning the Premier League or getting Champions League places.
Look at the World Cup it was just technology and it worked very well and Howard Webb and the rest of the clowns at VAR should watch how the World Cup technology was so successful and even Premier League clubs should also watch it.
As I said earlier I have no empathy for our owners but as I said they get my full support and like Mark Goldbridge said he wish Utd should be backing Liverpool along with other Premier League clubs.
Roll on Union Saint -Gilloise YNWA
We want it done quickly...that's what everyone says. That is the only problem I have with people saying they should have taken their time. They work at break neck speed because of fans and talksport.
they knew it was offside! do they think we are fools or what? omg
It was onside
How come they didn't know the off-field decision was offside 🤔?
When the television analysts see more than the VAR officials you have a real problem.
Can the PGMOL not simply ask Rugby how they do it?
😭😭I'm completely shocked. To start, I'm a fan of Liverpool FC, and I was watching the game. Clearly, for anyone watching on TV, that was a goal without a doubt. I kept wondering why the broadcast didn't show the 2D lines on the screen? This was the biggest mistake made in England. The game was very tough for us, playing away from Anfield and with one player down until that moment. This goal would have changed everything. I'm very angry right now, and I just hope this doesn't cost us the league. Because we've lost to City always by just one point. If we lose the league in these circumstances, they better hide, because we Liverpool fans will come after you
Huge Liverpool fan since 1977 and I believe these decisions are either gross incompetence or corruption, the audio would suggest about 65% chance this is corruption 35% chance this is gross incompetence. However there is no circumstances either incompetence or corruption that would validate a threat like "Liverpool fans will come after you". We live in a civilized society, we can resolve problematic issues without resorting to threats".
Yes the whole 1 game is rigged.. Not just diaz goal buat jones red card..jota & yellow card etc
Calm down. Nobody died.
I KNOW IT WAS JUST EMOTION
NOBODY WILL GO AFTER ANYONE
SOME FEDERATION SHOULD PUNISH HIM WITH THE LAW@@marcusmurphy1481
YES BRO EVERY GAME WAS DELEVLED FOR US UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS WE WON THAT GAME WITHOUT A DOUBT
BUT LET'S LEAVE REVENGE FOR THE SECOND PART AT ANFIELD@@yf7132
All they had to do was say “check complete goal should be given” sorted how hard is that 😂
Why do they take so long to respond? How fkin corrupt is that 😂😂
The Var knew the on field decision was offside, he confirmed it himself!
He didn't look at the replay assistants screen. Just pure laziness.
Watch a video where you see the footage with the audio. You see the replay assistant drawing the lines. It is clear the VAR ref does not look at it.
I'm 50 next year, lifelong LFC supporter, born and bred in Liverpool, plus I have Luis Diaz in my Fantasy Football team, so, there's obviously a shedload of bias but watching it live, I knew something was up. It was obvious watching it in real time, from the camera angle of the live play, that Romero's back foot is closer to the grass line than Diaz. What I found strange was that there wasn't a replay, or any mention of it by the commentary team in real time. When has an offside check ever been made that quickly, without there being a screenshot with the lines drawn on, plus there being no replay, or mention of it in real time by the commentary team? The minutae of the game is scrutinised and debated ad nauseum, to the nth degree, yet a disallowed goal was completely ignored, in real time and not referred to again. I don't believe for one second that everyone involved, including the commentary team, wasn't told to keep tight-lipped, until they had decided what the story was how they were going to present it. They were obviously panicking and of course, damage limitation is the first thought. I was also surprised how pragmatic Klopp was about it too. It all felt a bit 'off', like there was something I couldn't put my finger on. Whatever results from it, surely has to set a new precedent.
Klopp has been held hostage to keep his mouth shut. Check the amount of fine he got last season then you’d know why. Klopp literally said that it is expensive to open his mouth during one of the interviews.
@@bryanteoh9308Yeah, I heard the interview. It wasn't so much the content of what he said, rather it was his demeanour that seemed out of character, especially for someone who ordinarily exhibits a lot more emotion, for much more innocuous issues than a disallowed goal. It just seemed remarkably accepting and composed in the heat of the moment. Censoring your speech is far easier than censoring your emotions and it's usually the content of language, rather than than demeanour or delivery, that has got him into trouble in the past.
People don't know anything about the problem and why a replay match must be held, so I'll explain why. It's not about judgement of red card, handball or something like that, in which referee's judgement is involved and can be controversial, but by referee's call, it's decided. In this VAR case, VAR referee, who was in charge of the judgement of onside or offside, called it was onside, which means a goal, but the goal was disallowed. You know, when it comes to red card or handball, the on-field referee sometimes checks the video himself, which is the on-field check, but when it comes to onside or offside, the on field referee doesn't check it. Why not? Onside or offside is just a technical issue without human judgement involved. Just draw a line and you see. If it's onside, onside. If it's offside, offside. No human judgement involved at all like the goal line system. You guys know about the goal line system, right? It alarms the referee that it's a goal when the ball crosses the goal line. It's the totally same situation as when the goal line system calls that it's a goal but the referee disallows the goal. Can you accept it?
At the start of the audio linesman said “coming back for offside” they then say OK checking for offside……corruption at its finest in this game
the suspicious part is why the ref moves on very quickly without letting the offisde check happen. Can clearly hear that var guys anouncing they are checking it. But just overall from hearing how its done no wonder it takes 5 mins for them to just agree on a decision in past moments, they all talking over each other can only imagine the audio's of other VAR moments.
I had concerns over the language used in previous clips released. There isn’t enough independence with the people involved imo. Hearing them call each other ‘mate’ and nicknames isn’t very professional in a multi billion pound industry. Mike Dean also referred to protecting his mate. Too much conflict of interest.
It’s unfortunate for Liverpool but the good thing about such monumental mistakes is that it creates change and action. Now Webb and co should release the changes in comms and protocols mentioned. Be transparent with the fans and as consistent as possible to win back some credibility.
The one burning question I have is why the offside line that was drawn not shown on the big screen. Why is it shown in some instances but not others? If VAR had shown it on the big screen, Simon Hooper would have seen it and recognised the monumental misunderstanding. PGMOL and some pundits (including our very own Stevie Nichols) are busy brushing it off as human error, which is all well and good if there is some consistency in the application of their processes.
What job in this world requires zero accountability? England and Cook were PAID to do one job, and they were clearly busy/pre-occupied with something else beside the game itself. This farce is the direct result of professional negligence. A week in the sin bin is NOT a just punishment. They are not fit for the game.
As the head of PGMOL, Howard Webb has had 12 months or so to fix the messy communication - which had been blaringly obvious in all the audios that were previously aired. Why has nothing been done to clear it up? What the hell does check complete even accomplish when the original decision being reviewed isn't even highlighted anywhere on a screen or verbally confirmed between VAR and the onfield ref? If Webb has allowed for incompetence and flawed process to persist, even after a series of terrible decisions, why is Webb not being held to account?
It's not rocket science to fix the process for onfield referrals. (1) Verbally confirm the decision being referred (2) Put that decision on a screen throughout VAR room so everyone know what they are reviewing (3) Publicise the review process so there is full transparency in the review process, including the onfield ref (4) Show the outcome of the review which can be one of Confirming onfield decision, overturning onfield decision, or onfield ref monitor review.
The protocol that a game can't be stopped also needs to change. In addition to current allowable conditions to stop the game, there need to be a condition to allow for incorrect FACTUAL or TECHNICAL decision to pause a game.
PGMOL needs to own this and stop hiding behind their apologies. It's not good enough.
"Can't do anything.Can't do anything".What is wrong with these people?
I agree to go the same way as rugby. Ref stops the clock and goes to VAR, like the rugby ref goes to the TMO. Let the fans hear what is being said, show the footage on the big screens around the stadium. That way everyone is open to see & hear the dialouge between the officials making the decisions. Rugby does not have this sh!t !!!!!
Took them twice as long repeating “delay the game delay the game” than they did reviewing the offsides.
The way they pretended the guy saying delay the game was speaking chinese or something...lol they clearly heard him and just played dumb....pardon???...oli??? yeah right so obvious.
They need to release audio from previous offsides VAR decisions made by the same team of refs to determine if they handled this incident differently than they usually do.
what an embarrassment. VAR need to lose their jobs
Sick of the agenda against this club.
We can all say that about our clubs mate
against which club? liverpool? no way
You might want to check out the data from a 1400 game study between 2015 - 2023. Liverpool are overwhelmingly getting worse decisions than city united and Chelsea.
I Wonder how other var decisions were made, audio's should be public records.
I feel sorry for Darren Bent having to work with Andy Goldsteen. He's a top pundit. Deserves much better.
They were confused from the start. They thought the on-field decision was 'onside' therefore were happy with the decision. It was not until the Cameraman said, hold on he said "offside" was then they realised the error.
Clearer communication from VAR would have been to explain what they see, "we can see that Diaz is onside". Not saying "we agree with you". This would have stopped the confusion.
Also, Darren and Andy moaning about them rushing....this is because the fans and media have a go at the VAR for taking too long.
Such a farce! Liverpool deserved better
VAR and the refs should sort out people’s bets they lost out on, on Liverpool 😂
PGMOL need to be fired by the Premier League.
All they needed to do to have prevented this was to communicate with the referee on what they were checking for. Example ref says 'Please check, decision offside', VAR says 'onside award a goal'. It's that easy
“Can’t do anything” embarrassing 😂
What would have happened to the referees if they had stopped the game and gave the goal? Nothing, they would surely have been praised for coming to the correct decision
They are refs though they only think in terms of rules so any idea of bending those rules would literally blow their brains
The reason the VAR stated that its too late is because of law 5. Its very clear that once play is restarted, they can not go back and change their decision. This was just as much the fault of the onfield referee as it was for the var. Hes on the same mics as everyone else. He couldve been clever and stopped the match after the restart for a number of reasons. He couldve said the ball wasnt placed properly. That would've given them the opportunity to fix the mistake. The on field referee did not say one word after they realized their error which is truly shocking. Clearly Darren England made a mistake and was not clear in his communication to the rest of the crew. And after the operator pointed out the error, he shouldve been screaming for play to be stopped. Instead he froze. Ive been refereeing for years, and im still utterly dumbfounded this happened.
two words "good goal" from anyone would have done
OLÍ their SUPERVISOR, TOLD THEM TO DELAY THE GAME… from their highest authority and Simon refused. The guy who has been giving reds like candy to Liverpool 😂😂😂😂😂
Only fools and horses
Cant do anything? So it's more important to get it wrong than delay the game and correct the mistake. Unbelievable!
Who said ‘give it’?
There have been so many games where it takes like 10 mins to split hairs over onside when it should just be given beacuse it is microscopic. And yet for this one they try to get it done in 20 seconds.
The Audio is edited.
Paid actors more like
They can't do that because lfc cab take this to a higher level of audio investigation they can tell if a audio was edited
@balance6032 Liverpool should get expert advice if that audio has been edited . You can go anything with technology these days.
@@jodashpillay7740 yes iknow but if they really tampered the audio they will be sorry
Release the var audio of Curtis Jones also
Someone needs to be fired for that.