I am also waiting to see how this thing does. I bought the creality ferret pro at $450 then they immediately sold it for $350 and I even got a special offer for $250. Now it's back around $450. Same thing with 3d pronters
Learn Everything About Design’s video explains in detail why the MetroX review videos were delayed-primarily due to Revo Scan beta updates coming out too quickly and frequently. I didn’t back MetroX this time since I don’t need laser scanning, but honestly, after watching your video, I have to say it felt a bit like an attempt at competitive interference.
I agree with you in most points, but there are couple point, I don't. - Blue laser scanners need tons of markers. Regardless of the maker. Just go look for Rob Dahm scanning his wide body RX-7 creation. That body was littered with targets, so the professional scanner is able to track it correctly. - Einstar SW Exstar was developped over last two years and it started as fairly simple (and buggy) piece of crap. Now it works great and even the HW requirements went down. I'm expecting pretty much the same for the MetroX. It's a totally new technology for Revopoint, so I wouldn't be disappointed, if the first SW release is kinda piece of crap, if there will be updates in upcomming months. The biggest issue of Einstar is scanning of small objects. It shines on large parts, such as body panels and engine components. I designed a whole tow bar around the scan of my Toyota and it worked great. If the MetroX is just as good and if it's capable of capturing smaller objects than Einstar, I would be completely happy. Don't forget to mention, that Einstar doesn't work right with a turntable, which is kinda bummer for me as well.
I fell for their kickstarter two years ago, worst thing was they were discounting the scanner within a month to what I had paid. I am not jumping on this as a real reverse engineering breakthrough, I know the realities but all the things I want to scan are dark or shiny so they have my number, for sure
I'd love to know what scanner they canceled a month later. Revopoint is the leader of this hobbyist scanning market. I don't recall a single scanner getting canceled.
Fully agree to what was sayed. I was always wondering why only unboxing videos are available so far. But finally I think (hope) that revopoint will be able to deliver usable SW
I don't understand why the markers are an issue. I can put 1000 markers on the side of a vehicle and wrap the corners in 10 to 15 minutes by myself. I can remove them in 5 to 10 minutes by myself. I hope you are not placing the markers one by one. That gets expensive fast when you are buying them and time to place them.
Yea you can use magnet markers for cars. But laser scanners need markers unless you buying a trio which i jears still tracks badly without markers and it cost $35k
The markers itself aren't an issue but the sheer amount of them MetroX needs. No other laser scanner needs that many, it's always been Revopoint that due to their crap hardware and software did.
I think the Raptor and RaptorX being released really rushed the MetroX release. Revo said the software couldn't even use the GPU yet, that's why it was so slow in the live demo. That's also probably why no one else was allowed to make videos with it yet. I have the Miraco Pro and Einstar, and I use the Miraco 95% of the time for reverse engineering. I backed the MetroX on Day 1 because Revo will come thru with a great product. Hopefully they get the production models ready soon so we can see some of those honest reviews though
I have never got hands on a 3d scanner, so I may not be the ideal person to argue for or against the MetriX. 😅But one thing I challenge about your argumentation is: You say that we are at a point where we don't need more accuracy. And also that we need to be able to scan shiny surfaces. To my understanding, this is exactly where laser scanning comes in. And actually I do care about accuracy. And I am willing to trade scanning effort into it. And also if you want to scan shiny objects, laser scanning can do that. But it needs markers. That's not a limitation of metrox, but of the technology. I mean to read you questioning the need of markers, given that there are many features. No, that's not going to work with laser scanning. No matter how many features there are on the scanned object. (There is one laser scanner which does not require markers. It's yours for about 30k. It works with 90+ lines, more than the metrox in full field mode). So when you begin saying that you don't like markers, because of the hassle, then continue saying that you don't care about the additional accuracy laser scanning gives you (this, also, is not a metrox thing, nor a marketing thing, but a technology thing), then say that you don't like how slow it is, then continue saying that you want to scan shiny objects, but argue that this has not really been solved, because it needs markers, then, technically you are just saying that you don't like laser scanning with its pros and cons as a technology. And not liking a technology of course means not liking the products implementing that technology. As of the other arguments: Honestly I don't know if they sent their protos to 3rd party testers in previous campaigns. But the money back guarantee you definetly also did not have. And to be honest, you don't save soooo much money if you count in customs, vat, shipping etc. And yes, We don't know if the scanner sucks in usage. That's Kickstarter. It's even more so in other campaigns, where you spend your money towards an idea, where they just tell you that they think it will be great eventually. I will stay in, and I think I even will if they won't show us much more in the next days. But of course, everyone has to judge for himself. Probably, thinking it over, would lead to the conclusion that you are better off risking to pay 200 bucks more later on Amazon. But then there is the 'I want it, and I want it now' factor.😅
Ok, I got it. Instead of a video (I think no one wants to see an absolute noob trying to get decent scans, filmed with mediocre setup and filming skills😂) just a short, very basic impression: well - for me I guess I gambled well staying in. 😊 I really like the scanner, and I especially like the laser mode. I don't know if it is me or MetroX or the technology itself, but with full field mode I had a very hard time getting scans from grooves, recesses, holes and so on. And it was just like: "Here's your scan, that's the best I can do, no need to scan it again and again, I already know what's there". And what it wouldn't see it wouldn't see also in the 2nd and 3rd pass. Laser scanning experience is so much better for me: I "paint" it, and the more I do so, the more details it sees. So, if I see that something is missing, I just stay there, giving it a few more "brushes". Like sculpting, it comstantly refines the model while scanning. Full field was much more 'static'. And the result was much worse. That being said, I don't know if it is just the lack of (any!) experience with scanning, or even if the MetroX is a great laser scanner but a mediocre full field scanner. I suppose it's half my lack of skills and the technology. But it came as a bit of a surprise to me that I as a complete beginner would have a better time and results with the laser mode over the full field mode. I would have expected it to be vice-versa. Oh, but what I have to say: The included sample bust scanned in auto turn table mode came out absolutely perfect.
I'm about to cancel my pledge as well. I've backed them previously for the range, but this one seems different, way more shady than any of their previous campaigns.
Nothing shady about it. They launched it with Kickstarter because of the new technology development and based off their improvements the last month, it's going to be a great scanner. Passing up on a blue line laser scanner for under $700 is probably the dumbest thing people could do if they're in the market for a scanner. Especially one with a 2 year warranty. You could go buy a $2k Vega and get mediocre scans 😆
So from what I understand, laser scanning does not work with feature tracking, and it has a relatively small FOV, with that said this is why they have tons of markers. The same is true for the Raptor, there was a video of someone scanning a rear bumper in laser mode and the number of markers was daunting. I raised that question about why the beta users had nothing but unboxing videos the answer I got was be patient the software is being developed. Why do we care about packaging I don't need 10 videos of unboxing and that's it for a month. Yes I do think vendor based demos are at best biased most likely snake oil.
I wish they’d stop releasing hardware and just put some effort into their software. I did the Kickstarter for one of their early ones and if they’re soft wasn’t crap it would have been an OK scanner for the price. Instead they just keep releasing hardware version after hardware version.
I have never owned a Revopoint scanner, but from what I've heard, their SW improved a lot. So you cannot confirm this? I've read that not long ago you would have to fire up different pieces of SW to get the job done, then they streamlined it into one. At least from what I see in the videos it seems quite user friendly to me
@@Gaston12345 And that's the only improvement in the software, they hired people to make it look good but underneath the nice interface it's the same thing it was 4 years ago.
Mh.. ok. What is it then what makes it bad? Is it unstable? Does it lose tracking i lot? As said, I don't have any experience, so I am not arguing, I am genuinely curious.
@ The problem has always been tracking and scan processing. The tracking issue is kind of related to the hardware too - low frame rate and narrow scanning window. One simple solution they could apply would be texture tracking, a standard in other scanners yet unachievable to Revopoint because they cheaped out on the rgb cameras too. This is also apparent in marker tracking where it needs like 10 visible because it can barely detect half of them. The processing one is caused by the fusion method Revoscan uses. No professional scanning software makes a "baked" point cloud during merging steps yet Revoscan does. This means invidual frames' transformations are lost and thus can't be perfectly fitted together when you merge multiple scans. This causes seams Revopoint is unfortunately known for, as well as other dimensional inaccuracies.
This is kind of funny. It's hard to believe a normal backer would cancel their pledge and then go out of their way to make a 30-minute video telling others to cancel??? Dude, how much did you get paid for this lolllll, and how can I get it too?
Another one of Revoloint’s shill accounts detected. Wow, how much does Revopoint pay you to do this, or do you just get free products? Maybe if Revoloint put the same level of energy into making their products as they do on banning people from their social media for asking questions or raising concerns and censoring people on their Kickstarter page, they might have a product worth buying.
lol you caught me 🙄 no one paid me to make this, it’s just one persons opinion. Revopoint can send me one and I’ll give it a fair review, but this is a lot of money to drop on a “trust us it’s good”.
Looking of the history of the products .... And now the Gamechanger come out ?😂 Whats with the blue light ,Marketing or Function 🤔 How many Markers they use in the Demos ?
They’ve embargoed everyone they sent them to. People have them, but are not allowed to review them. I commented on one of the unboxing videos asking when they can post a review and it sounds like the embargo is supposed to end a couple days before the campaign or so; I’m guessing there is still horrible software associated with it that needs work and they don’t want it to sink their campaign. I’d rather spend the extra few hundred bucks if it’s worth it after release than spend almost a thousand for a paperweight.
Some dude with less than 20 subs received a beta unit to unbox and has only done one 3 minute video after that with zero talking and just some screen capture footage, reeks of an intern job
They've done that too in earlier campaigns, it's probably a Revopoint Forum shill. They get free devices for boasting how great Revopoint is, recently they've started attacking Reddit so beware.
I have never pulled the trigger to buy a revopoint kickstarter is because of this exact gripe. There is never enough real life testing examples by 3rd parties before the kickstarter ends. Then when the kickstarter ends, it's too expensive
I've backed 4 scanners from them, POP, POP2, MINI and Range. All of these got user reviews either at the beginning of the campaign or after a week. The scanners of course weren't as good as promised but at the time nothing better was either, all you had were Kinect hacks or paper weights like XYZ 3D Scanner or Structure Sensor. Now with actual competition Revopoint can't keep up anymore. Back then when Revopoint wasn't as big one could research their original products, what they were doing were 3D sensors for scanning faces in China, as well as a barebones app for that. All they've done since is added extra features to that same old technology. This also explains why Revopoint doesn't scan anything even slightly darker, the scanners just weren't designed to do that. MetroX is like the first actual new device from Revopoint, and I guess they can't into lasers 😂
hi, i start my journey with david scanner 3D with handle laser and trust me just for scanning a playstation controller take me 3 hours!!! without maker because in 2005 i don't have enough information about it. since then i try david scanner with projector it was a big improvement after that i reduce my time for scanning by 3. Revopoint bring Pop scanner and i reduce my time by 3 (15 minutes) for the same object. i try pop, mini, and range and i back Metrox why supposely help with shiny surface and dark surface and more FPS ( equal faster scan capture). For the accuracy weel depend what kind of object you scan but for me i use mini it's my go to for fine detail. David scanner can achive the same accuracy of mini and metrox but the setup time and scanning time is basicaly to long. the software is really great and much fast than david scanner 3d but it work great to. when you compare other scanner at price range of 30 000$ it's always the same or better accuracy but the FPS it's much higher (120 FPS) that mean you take less time to capture the object.
Similar for me too. I built my own stepper motor / laser hardware for David, then swapped the laser for Acer K11 projector. Then later got David 5 with the official projector and dual cameras. It's such a pity Hewlett Packard killed the project after they bought David out. If they'd carried on developing it, I'm sure it would blow all these Chinese systems away, as they had something like a 15 year head start. Yes, some of these Chinese systems seem pretty good value, but it's so annoying that release new hardware every few months rather then refining a system. I watch the reviews of all the new, budget scanners, but every time I start thinking 'this looks like the one I'll upgrade to', a new model is out. I was also watching the MetroX Kickstarter at the beginning, but the lack of real world user reviews put me off.
@@richardjones38 well what i understand of metrox it's a combinaision of mini and pop 3 with a little twist, he can scan reflective surface and dark spot. I recieve a email revopoint and they reach 2 000 000$ goal and this unlock sunglass for blue light it's probably the reason why folks don't use the scanner. Revopoint put picture of the result of scan with metrox and it's pretty presice.
I've heard theories they killed David because it was too cheap compared to other scanning solutions at the time. It's still pretty much the case today but they can't really control the Chinese manufacturers. Nonetheless an old photographer is nice enough to give away a David SLS 2 in my town and I'll finally have something to compare with the modern scanners. Will probably post on reddit soon!
@@rafall1118 That would make sense if HP had a serious 3d scanning product range themselves. But they don't, as far as I know, at least any more. What they did have at the time was the HP Sprout. An utterly bizarre PC with a built in very limited 3D scanner. I think they bought David for it's software (probably the scan alignment and combining side of things), to build into Sprout. Maybe they intended to develop more serious 3D scanners too once the Sprout had taken over the world, but ultimately (predictably, to me - I don't get what it's intended purpose was supposed to be), it went nowhere, and was discontinued just a few years later.
Most of these scanners are a complete RIP off and it blows my mind how much some of these cost when they're just cameras I'm almost positive all the magic is done in software not saying a good sensor doesn't help or multiple but the price is wrong and the reason why they get to charge so much is because people are paying it
Revopoint has always been a really simple construction and probably not so good sensors. Probably the same case with the MetroX. When you look at other scanner makers you can see how many more sensors they have and of better quality.
Actually they're unbelievable value for money. Just 5 years ago you would have paid 4 figures for many of these systems that cost a few hundred. 10 years ago you'd have almost been into 5 figures and 25 years ago you'd be shelling out almost $100K. I know because I've been around the scanning game that long. Consumer level scanners like Revopoint and Creality offer are *unbelievably* cheap and buyers have never had it this good. If you believe the MetroX is a "rip off" at £530+tax I'd like some of whatever drugs you've been taking. 👍
@@rafall1118 Example? I've never taken any scanner apart to check the sensors - how do you know about them? I think you're also mistaking illuminators for sensors.
@@3DScanClub The dot projector has always been pretty weak, we're finally getting a second class laser so there's that. Creality Otter for example can scan most dark plastics from what I've seen, none of my Revos can. RGB sensors also aren't the best which shows in the textures.
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I am also waiting to see how this thing does. I bought the creality ferret pro at $450 then they immediately sold it for $350 and I even got a special offer for $250. Now it's back around $450. Same thing with 3d pronters
Learn Everything About Design’s video explains in detail why the MetroX review videos were delayed-primarily due to Revo Scan beta updates coming out too quickly and frequently. I didn’t back MetroX this time since I don’t need laser scanning, but honestly, after watching your video, I have to say it felt a bit like an attempt at competitive interference.
Spot on cancelled mine too weeks ago, Kickstarter is a pledge so there is no obligation to send you anything at all or in any timescales!
Thanks for this, I was considering ordering this one.
I hope you didn't take this advice because the scanner is amazing at this price 😆
I agree with you in most points, but there are couple point, I don't.
- Blue laser scanners need tons of markers. Regardless of the maker. Just go look for Rob Dahm scanning his wide body RX-7 creation. That body was littered with targets, so the professional scanner is able to track it correctly.
- Einstar SW Exstar was developped over last two years and it started as fairly simple (and buggy) piece of crap. Now it works great and even the HW requirements went down. I'm expecting pretty much the same for the MetroX. It's a totally new technology for Revopoint, so I wouldn't be disappointed, if the first SW release is kinda piece of crap, if there will be updates in upcomming months.
The biggest issue of Einstar is scanning of small objects. It shines on large parts, such as body panels and engine components. I designed a whole tow bar around the scan of my Toyota and it worked great. If the MetroX is just as good and if it's capable of capturing smaller objects than Einstar, I would be completely happy. Don't forget to mention, that Einstar doesn't work right with a turntable, which is kinda bummer for me as well.
I fell for their kickstarter two years ago, worst thing was they were discounting the scanner within a month to what I had paid. I am not jumping on this as a real reverse engineering breakthrough, I know the realities but all the things I want to scan are dark or shiny so they have my number, for sure
Dang, which scanner did you back on kickstarter that you didn’t like?
I'd love to know what scanner they canceled a month later. Revopoint is the leader of this hobbyist scanning market. I don't recall a single scanner getting canceled.
@@brandonz2 You misread.
@@dylanevans5644 I sure did. 🤦 I retract previous statement and have signed up for Skillshare's reading and comprehension lessons
Fully agree to what was sayed. I was always wondering why only unboxing videos are available so far. But finally I think (hope) that revopoint will be able to deliver usable SW
I don't understand why the markers are an issue. I can put 1000 markers on the side of a vehicle and wrap the corners in 10 to 15 minutes by myself. I can remove them in 5 to 10 minutes by myself.
I hope you are not placing the markers one by one. That gets expensive fast when you are buying them and time to place them.
How do you put 1,000 markers on the side of a car?
Yea you can use magnet markers for cars.
But laser scanners need markers unless you buying a trio which i jears still tracks badly without markers and it cost $35k
How are you placing so many markers so quickly?
The markers itself aren't an issue but the sheer amount of them MetroX needs. No other laser scanner needs that many, it's always been Revopoint that due to their crap hardware and software did.
You can apply one marker every second to a second and a half??? Are you sure 1000 markers isn't... .overkill?
I think the Raptor and RaptorX being released really rushed the MetroX release. Revo said the software couldn't even use the GPU yet, that's why it was so slow in the live demo. That's also probably why no one else was allowed to make videos with it yet. I have the Miraco Pro and Einstar, and I use the Miraco 95% of the time for reverse engineering. I backed the MetroX on Day 1 because Revo will come thru with a great product. Hopefully they get the production models ready soon so we can see some of those honest reviews though
I have never got hands on a 3d scanner, so I may not be the ideal person to argue for or against the MetriX. 😅But one thing I challenge about your argumentation is: You say that we are at a point where we don't need more accuracy. And also that we need to be able to scan shiny surfaces.
To my understanding, this is exactly where laser scanning comes in. And actually I do care about accuracy. And I am willing to trade scanning effort into it. And also if you want to scan shiny objects, laser scanning can do that. But it needs markers. That's not a limitation of metrox, but of the technology. I mean to read you questioning the need of markers, given that there are many features. No, that's not going to work with laser scanning. No matter how many features there are on the scanned object. (There is one laser scanner which does not require markers. It's yours for about 30k. It works with 90+ lines, more than the metrox in full field mode). So when you begin saying that you don't like markers, because of the hassle, then continue saying that you don't care about the additional accuracy laser scanning gives you (this, also, is not a metrox thing, nor a marketing thing, but a technology thing), then say that you don't like how slow it is, then continue saying that you want to scan shiny objects, but argue that this has not really been solved, because it needs markers, then, technically you are just saying that you don't like laser scanning with its pros and cons as a technology. And not liking a technology of course means not liking the products implementing that technology.
As of the other arguments: Honestly I don't know if they sent their protos to 3rd party testers in previous campaigns. But the money back guarantee you definetly also did not have. And to be honest, you don't save soooo much money if you count in customs, vat, shipping etc. And yes, We don't know if the scanner sucks in usage. That's Kickstarter. It's even more so in other campaigns, where you spend your money towards an idea, where they just tell you that they think it will be great eventually.
I will stay in, and I think I even will if they won't show us much more in the next days. But of course, everyone has to judge for himself. Probably, thinking it over, would lead to the conclusion that you are better off risking to pay 200 bucks more later on Amazon. But then there is the 'I want it, and I want it now' factor.😅
Very good points! I appreciate the comment and it would be awesome if you can post a video of your MetroX getting used when it comes in 🤘
Ok, I got it. Instead of a video (I think no one wants to see an absolute noob trying to get decent scans, filmed with mediocre setup and filming skills😂) just a short, very basic impression: well - for me I guess I gambled well staying in. 😊 I really like the scanner, and I especially like the laser mode. I don't know if it is me or MetroX or the technology itself, but with full field mode I had a very hard time getting scans from grooves, recesses, holes and so on. And it was just like: "Here's your scan, that's the best I can do, no need to scan it again and again, I already know what's there". And what it wouldn't see it wouldn't see also in the 2nd and 3rd pass.
Laser scanning experience is so much better for me: I "paint" it, and the more I do so, the more details it sees. So, if I see that something is missing, I just stay there, giving it a few more "brushes". Like sculpting, it comstantly refines the model while scanning. Full field was much more 'static'. And the result was much worse.
That being said, I don't know if it is just the lack of (any!) experience with scanning, or even if the MetroX is a great laser scanner but a mediocre full field scanner. I suppose it's half my lack of skills and the technology.
But it came as a bit of a surprise to me that I as a complete beginner would have a better time and results with the laser mode over the full field mode. I would have expected it to be vice-versa. Oh, but what I have to say: The included sample bust scanned in auto turn table mode came out absolutely perfect.
Some videos are out today
Excellent!
I'm about to cancel my pledge as well. I've backed them previously for the range, but this one seems different, way more shady than any of their previous campaigns.
Did that scanner have 3rd party users testing it during the kickstarter campaign?
Nothing shady about it. They launched it with Kickstarter because of the new technology development and based off their improvements the last month, it's going to be a great scanner. Passing up on a blue line laser scanner for under $700 is probably the dumbest thing people could do if they're in the market for a scanner. Especially one with a 2 year warranty. You could go buy a $2k Vega and get mediocre scans 😆
So from what I understand, laser scanning does not work with feature tracking, and it has a relatively small FOV, with that said this is why they have tons of markers. The same is true for the Raptor, there was a video of someone scanning a rear bumper in laser mode and the number of markers was daunting. I raised that question about why the beta users had nothing but unboxing videos the answer I got was be patient the software is being developed. Why do we care about packaging I don't need 10 videos of unboxing and that's it for a month. Yes I do think vendor based demos are at best biased most likely snake oil.
I wish they’d stop releasing hardware and just put some effort into their software. I did the Kickstarter for one of their early ones and if they’re soft wasn’t crap it would have been an OK scanner for the price. Instead they just keep releasing hardware version after hardware version.
I have never owned a Revopoint scanner, but from what I've heard, their SW improved a lot. So you cannot confirm this? I've read that not long ago you would have to fire up different pieces of SW to get the job done, then they streamlined it into one. At least from what I see in the videos it seems quite user friendly to me
@@Gaston12345 And that's the only improvement in the software, they hired people to make it look good but underneath the nice interface it's the same thing it was 4 years ago.
Mh.. ok. What is it then what makes it bad? Is it unstable? Does it lose tracking i lot? As said, I don't have any experience, so I am not arguing, I am genuinely curious.
@ The problem has always been tracking and scan processing. The tracking issue is kind of related to the hardware too - low frame rate and narrow scanning window. One simple solution they could apply would be texture tracking, a standard in other scanners yet unachievable to Revopoint because they cheaped out on the rgb cameras too. This is also apparent in marker tracking where it needs like 10 visible because it can barely detect half of them.
The processing one is caused by the fusion method Revoscan uses. No professional scanning software makes a "baked" point cloud during merging steps yet Revoscan does. This means invidual frames' transformations are lost and thus can't be perfectly fitted together when you merge multiple scans. This causes seams Revopoint is unfortunately known for, as well as other dimensional inaccuracies.
This is kind of funny. It's hard to believe a normal backer would cancel their pledge and then go out of their way to make a 30-minute video telling others to cancel??? Dude, how much did you get paid for this lolllll, and how can I get it too?
Another one of Revoloint’s shill accounts detected. Wow, how much does Revopoint pay you to do this, or do you just get free products?
Maybe if Revoloint put the same level of energy into making their products as they do on banning people from their social media for asking questions or raising concerns and censoring people on their Kickstarter page, they might have a product worth buying.
lol you caught me 🙄 no one paid me to make this, it’s just one persons opinion. Revopoint can send me one and I’ll give it a fair review, but this is a lot of money to drop on a “trust us it’s good”.
@@5050FAB try buying form overseas, I'm in Australia, and it it will cost me 1100$Au for the scanner and import duties on top of that.
Looking of the history of the products ....
And now the Gamechanger come out ?😂
Whats with the blue light ,Marketing or Function 🤔
How many Markers they use in the Demos ?
Valid opinion, I've had similar thoughts.
They’ve embargoed everyone they sent them to. People have them, but are not allowed to review them. I commented on one of the unboxing videos asking when they can post a review and it sounds like the embargo is supposed to end a couple days before the campaign or so; I’m guessing there is still horrible software associated with it that needs work and they don’t want it to sink their campaign. I’d rather spend the extra few hundred bucks if it’s worth it after release than spend almost a thousand for a paperweight.
Some dude with less than 20 subs received a beta unit to unbox and has only done one 3 minute video after that with zero talking and just some screen capture footage, reeks of an intern job
Yeah I saw that too, it’s concerning why they got one
They've done that too in earlier campaigns, it's probably a Revopoint Forum shill. They get free devices for boasting how great Revopoint is, recently they've started attacking Reddit so beware.
You need to rethink your life choices when you're posting cringe thumbnails like the one on this video
ArtisansOfVaul did a full review and test a week or two ago, he thought it was very good.
I have never pulled the trigger to buy a revopoint kickstarter is because of this exact gripe. There is never enough real life testing examples by 3rd parties before the kickstarter ends. Then when the kickstarter ends, it's too expensive
I've backed 4 scanners from them, POP, POP2, MINI and Range. All of these got user reviews either at the beginning of the campaign or after a week. The scanners of course weren't as good as promised but at the time nothing better was either, all you had were Kinect hacks or paper weights like XYZ 3D Scanner or Structure Sensor. Now with actual competition Revopoint can't keep up anymore. Back then when Revopoint wasn't as big one could research their original products, what they were doing were 3D sensors for scanning faces in China, as well as a barebones app for that. All they've done since is added extra features to that same old technology. This also explains why Revopoint doesn't scan anything even slightly darker, the scanners just weren't designed to do that. MetroX is like the first actual new device from Revopoint, and I guess they can't into lasers 😂
hi, i start my journey with david scanner 3D with handle laser and trust me just for scanning a playstation controller take me 3 hours!!! without maker because in 2005 i don't have enough information about it. since then i try david scanner with projector it was a big improvement after that i reduce my time for scanning by 3. Revopoint bring Pop scanner and i reduce my time by 3 (15 minutes) for the same object. i try pop, mini, and range and i back Metrox why supposely help with shiny surface and dark surface and more FPS ( equal faster scan capture). For the accuracy weel depend what kind of object you scan but for me i use mini it's my go to for fine detail. David scanner can achive the same accuracy of mini and metrox but the setup time and scanning time is basicaly to long. the software is really great and much fast than david scanner 3d but it work great to. when you compare other scanner at price range of 30 000$ it's always the same or better accuracy but the FPS it's much higher (120 FPS) that mean you take less time to capture the object.
Similar for me too. I built my own stepper motor / laser hardware for David, then swapped the laser for Acer K11 projector. Then later got David 5 with the official projector and dual cameras. It's such a pity Hewlett Packard killed the project after they bought David out. If they'd carried on developing it, I'm sure it would blow all these Chinese systems away, as they had something like a 15 year head start. Yes, some of these Chinese systems seem pretty good value, but it's so annoying that release new hardware every few months rather then refining a system. I watch the reviews of all the new, budget scanners, but every time I start thinking 'this looks like the one I'll upgrade to', a new model is out.
I was also watching the MetroX Kickstarter at the beginning, but the lack of real world user reviews put me off.
@@richardjones38 well what i understand of metrox it's a combinaision of mini and pop 3 with a little twist, he can scan reflective surface and dark spot. I recieve a email revopoint and they reach 2 000 000$ goal and this unlock sunglass for blue light it's probably the reason why folks don't use the scanner. Revopoint put picture of the result of scan with metrox and it's pretty presice.
I've heard theories they killed David because it was too cheap compared to other scanning solutions at the time. It's still pretty much the case today but they can't really control the Chinese manufacturers. Nonetheless an old photographer is nice enough to give away a David SLS 2 in my town and I'll finally have something to compare with the modern scanners. Will probably post on reddit soon!
@@rafall1118 That would make sense if HP had a serious 3d scanning product range themselves. But they don't, as far as I know, at least any more. What they did have at the time was the HP Sprout. An utterly bizarre PC with a built in very limited 3D scanner. I think they bought David for it's software (probably the scan alignment and combining side of things), to build into Sprout. Maybe they intended to develop more serious 3D scanners too once the Sprout had taken over the world, but ultimately (predictably, to me - I don't get what it's intended purpose was supposed to be), it went nowhere, and was discontinued just a few years later.
@ That sounds more plausible! Sprout seemed like an interesting device though, just not for the average Joe.
Revopoint has proven track record on make great products for consumer level scanning. It is stupid for you to even make this.
Most of these scanners are a complete RIP off and it blows my mind how much some of these cost when they're just cameras I'm almost positive all the magic is done in software not saying a good sensor doesn't help or multiple but the price is wrong and the reason why they get to charge so much is because people are paying it
Revopoint has always been a really simple construction and probably not so good sensors. Probably the same case with the MetroX. When you look at other scanner makers you can see how many more sensors they have and of better quality.
Actually they're unbelievable value for money. Just 5 years ago you would have paid 4 figures for many of these systems that cost a few hundred. 10 years ago you'd have almost been into 5 figures and 25 years ago you'd be shelling out almost $100K. I know because I've been around the scanning game that long. Consumer level scanners like Revopoint and Creality offer are *unbelievably* cheap and buyers have never had it this good. If you believe the MetroX is a "rip off" at £530+tax I'd like some of whatever drugs you've been taking. 👍
@@rafall1118 Example? I've never taken any scanner apart to check the sensors - how do you know about them? I think you're also mistaking illuminators for sensors.
@@3DScanClub The dot projector has always been pretty weak, we're finally getting a second class laser so there's that. Creality Otter for example can scan most dark plastics from what I've seen, none of my Revos can. RGB sensors also aren't the best which shows in the textures.