The problem is obvious: Builder base is too grindy, doesn't offer a lot of strategy, and is extremely slow progression wise. But supercell for some reason doesn't want to change this.
Actually, Builder Base does offer a lot of strategy if you play it for some time. It is just most people do not have time for it because they want to get the 6th builder as fast as possible.
I actually really like Builder Base. I think all it needs is the earned loot to be doubled. Both from the star bonus, and the attack/defend loot. Right now, it takes forever to get enough loot to do just one upgrade.
And they should offer double the amount of loot they do in the raid shop. Or they should make it 3/3 like the rest of the stuff and not only available once.
i love builder base, but limited daily rewards and very low loot amounts are SO annoying when ur like 1 mil recourses off and it takes an hour of attacks or 3 builder star potions.
Then having to fail all your attacks so you can lower your trophies to stop getting those 1 - 2 star bases. Mmmm I love 7k - 15k payouts when I got shit that costs over a million to upgrade. Even the 3 star payouts aren’t even remotely worth it for high level players it’s a joke.. the payouts barely change as you level up in trophies and base. It’s so hard to play BH when you know the amount of games you’ll have to 3 star just to afford that upgrade.
Its too please people who have already have maxed out builders bases. They'd feel cheated by the game since more and more people would reach maxed out status without having too go trough the struggles they went through. And those people are usually the hardcore fanbase of the game. A lot of MMO's struggle with this. What you usually see is that developers release a middle tier of more efficient grinding, rather than a top tier. Its a compromise between the top tier players and the lower tier players. But well, in the case of builder bases, the grinding rewards stay relatively the same throughout the whole grind itself. So increasing the rewards would affect all players
I really like playing the Builder Base. Unlike the Home Village, you can always play it instead of needing to wait for your army to train. I think that the overall experience is very difficult from the Home Village. Instead of choosing an attack strategy beforehand and picking out a village, you choose a strategy for the base you get assigned to. With fewer buildings, fewer troops, and no spells, it's more important to think about how to use each individual troop. This is further enhanced by the special abilities each troop has. Even besides that, there's also the second stage, which, of course, adds a lot more strategy to both attacking and base building.
Most people dont want to play clash of clans for 30 mins straight and rather attack and get off. Its what keeps people coming back and playing. I find the builder base to be boring mainly because the bases are smaller, no spells, and having to do multiple attacks
I believe the BB 2.0 is a test for future home village updates. Home village is soon going to need to expand in other ways than just town halls because supercell is nearing the max town hall or else the game becomes too complex. It's not fair to say the BB doesn't fit in when there's people who like it and it doesn't hurt the game in any way, it's simply just an addition. But that's my opinion.
By having to press down the unit icon to make it deal more damage is bad design because it causes sometimes accidentally activating the abilities, unless you're on a some enormous tablet screen
Same problem in builder base 2.0, such a grind to get loot. Though there is no cap, to earn gold we have to score star and the loot increases exponentially with the star. The elixir seems to pile up faster than gold while there is still half of base lwft to upgrade and no use of elixir, as of builder base 5. It feels so grindy to upgrade wall and go max. They need to make the walls be upgradeable by elixir like in home village and everything will be good.
from wall level 7 you can upgrade with elixir just like the home village, i’m trying to max level 6 walls so for level 7 and onwards i’ll only use easier elixir instead of the precious gold
I remember Darien talking with Judo Sloth not long ago. He said that the team is thinking about making a three-stage or maybe even four-stage attack on the Builder Base. I would like to see that. Maybe, you could unlock the third stage at Builder Hall 11. Then, at BH 12, there can be a new building that gives you tasks to complete similar to the B.O.B. Control. Once they're completed, you unlock a new benefit that helps with the Home Village. An idea I have is a building that gives you a choice of a few things with a cooldown of 46 hours. Here are the choices I came up with: 1. Boost all builders in both bases by 2x for 1 hour 2. Triple the research speed in both bases for 1 hour. 3. Boost resource gathering in both villages by 2x for two hours 4. Get 15 gems 5. Get 500 Capital Gold
@@lucienskinner-savallisch5399 The idea is that the player would be able to choose any of those options every 46 hours. The exact values would definitely need a lot of tweaking.
My idea is simply adding spells. However only 1 spell use for each of the two attacks. Example if you pick rage in the first attack you have to use a different spell in the next attack. Spells would be heal, rage, earthquake and frost. And Obviously the spells will have to be balanced to fit the builder base and more importantly have reduced area of effect. and for the sake of it heal and rage should have a reduced effects for the battle machine hero
I think the builder base gameplay is actually really fun, I just unlocked the canon cart yesterday and I think it is by far the most interesting troop in the game, and the second tier is a pretty fun way to spice up raids, the main problem is that it is mind numbingly grindy. The upgrades take even longer and they're even more expensive, but you only have a single builder and I earn literally ten times less loot then I do on a good home village raid, there has never been a single time where I've seriously needed the star bonus at the home village, but it feels like that's my only source of loot in the builder base. Upgrading the builder base simply isn't fun, any excitement you get from the new features is completely drowned out by the unbelievable amount of time it takes to get them
I really hate the part that when they decided to split the walls. They didn't changed the cost. As in 1 single piece of wall requires same amount of resources as 5 pieces. And also the time required to upgrade after certain point(7d+) is ridiculous considering that this mini game was supposed to be fun
loot is still very much an issue in the builder base. while adding loot depending on how many stars you get from attacking, and how many stars the opponents get from attacking you is a nice addition, it really isn't enough, and it's because after a certain BH level, a large majority of buildings cost a full worth of your storages, which is in the millions, compared to the tens of thousands of loot you can get normally from attacks, and hundreds of thousands of loot from daily star bonuses
Builder Base is missing something important in its gamemode, clan-to-clan battles. If Builder Base has one which has a completely different experience from any clan-related battles (Clan Wars, CWL, Raid Weekend) and does reward stuff which can help not only Home Village but also Builder Base itself as well, Builder Base will finally feel belong to the game.
I have the same problem I managed to reach 2.9k but dropped a bunch of trophies because I had to pretty much 6 star every single base I got to only keep my trophies
You just gotta rush. The builder base favors rushing extremely hard. Only upgrade night witches, leave defenses at low levels, dont touch walls and you get high trophies quickly
Doesn’t help that night witch spam is next to impossible to counter. (If you use the landmine in the corner strategies, that can easily be overpowered by placing any other troop before that point). it makes it hard to climb higher without remaining stagnant
One thing that heavily improved with builderbase 2.0 is the meta game around higher townhalls. Before 2.0 I managed to push up 5000 trophys and almost max out TH 9. At that level the main goal was trying to reach the TH so you can get a 2 star with hopefully more % than your opponent since getting a 3 star was almost impossible due to the clumped up bases. Only mass hoggliders were able to get a 3star which removed the strategical aspect of the troop choice. With 2.0 it is much more doable to get a 6 star with a variety of troops and it is much more fun to strategise again, thanks to the smaller villages.
I hate the matchmaking in the builder base, unlike in the main base you can't choose who you attack so you're usually forced to attack a builder base 1 or 2 levels above you which feels unfair. Also you rely a lot more on each individual troop which means that if the AI of the troop misbehaves it completely screws your attack over
i think they should transfer the gem mine and the clock tower to the main base and remove the builder base, and compensate us with a bunch of gems for it.
Collectors are underrated, if you don't like the builder base you don't need to attack, plenty possible to max slowly with just collectors, I hit max bh9 and I'm fairly deep into bh10 for only using collectors (lvl10 collectors get you 300k a day)
@@Mohammedjkukhon #YV99UPQYP take a visit if you don't believe me, still working on walls but I haven't attacked even once since the update, just gotta log on🙂
If they did cut off some update and price times, and of course add some more conection to the home village (other than, 6th builder and gear ups) will be a good start.
the original builder base was the only reason i played COC back then i could sit for hours just attacking bases, i like smaller attacks more than gigantic attacks with hundreds of troops the only thing i wanted was something akin to a spell but on a much smaller scale,outside of that old BB was perfect for me
i used to really like the builder base, fun farming, unique troops, challenging strategies. but now i'm at BH6 where i spam witches at lower trophy levels so my defense can actually make elixir. it's too hard to get enough resources for anything. I recently just decided to rush untill BH9 to get the 6th builder, it'll be hard and a long grind but it'll be easier than actually playing the builder base
Half the upgrade times across the board, add 2 builder hall levels with more buildings, add actual matchmaking and a new incentive similar to the 6th builder but that doesn't encourage rushing and you have a great second base
I really like the builder base, I just think there should be more variation in the offensive units. As it sits right now, there are really only 3 types of troops. You have primary damage dealers like pekkas and dragons, which are meant to take out large sections of the base. You also have sniping troops like archers and minions, which are meant to take out individual targets in the base. Finally, you have support troops like giants or wall breakers to help you brute force into a base. If you simply understand what units beat what defenses, and you have enough units to fill the roles, you'll have no issues beating any base. Every strategy now boils down to using a sniping troop (typically cannon carts) to destroy a lot of the base, and then using a damage dealer to clean up the rest. Maybe you throw in a support troop to take out something deeper in the base before or while you push into it. There just isn't a lot of creativity in how you approach attacks now. They need to rework a few troops to help diversify the roster. Archers and minions, for example, feel way too similar. I don't like that they fill the exact same role slightly differently. I also don't like that both tend to be outclassed by cannon carts due to the importance of keeping your troops alive, or that they lose their abilities and the cannon carts don't after using them.
Totally not me using Beta Minions spam and 1 or 2 Skeleton Ballons as Tanks while the Helicopter/Machine works as a bonus to tank, clean, take out something or whatever it will do better for each base xd 🤡. Works pretty well.
the main problem w/ the builder base is that it is very expensive to upgrade things for example in the normal village the upgrade of the storages cost a reasonable amount of loot but in the builder base upgrade from level 2 to 3 costs 200,000 elixir/gold
I HATE... H - A - T - E builder base. The reason why is because I feel forced to do a painfully long and tedious grind for the 6th builder. It took me half a year, and I hated every second of it. Only 2 builders for +5d upgrades. The upgrades are expensive and you get little resources so you have to grind. The 6th builder is locked at a very high town hall making the entire process not just boring, but frustrating as well. Builder base is a good idea on paper, but they ruined it by making the gameplay artificially slow and tiring to get the rewards you want. Thinking I have to do the same again in my alt makes me sick, but the 6th builder worth it.
I'm looking at builder base a different way. I don't mind playing it too much, but if people get to BH10, then thats max gem mine, bob hut, and you can use what resources you passively generate to make capital gold if you have a spare builder. Edit: I guess you can do it from BH9 too but BH10 is more efficient, particularly for the capitol gold. That will add up.
thank god for the update i started playing coc last year in jan and i was grinding out for the sixth builder and thank god i got it just 2 days ago after one year, the builder base 2.0 made things alor easier
I really liked both iterations of the builder's base. It's been almost a year since the 2.0 update, and I'm almost done finishing all the walls to max it out. I hope they add new bases or something to keep me playing because I stopped playing the original mode for a while after maxing it out. I only played it for the loot whenever I had free builders for the clan capital currency or to finish quickly clan games
9:50 I personally like the star bonus being so massive instead of increasing loot from each battle. It’s enough where resources are rarely the bottleneck anymore if I’m getting 1mil from the raid metal bonuses each week.
I remember the 6th builder grind really wasn’t that bad, took a few months, and I didn’t stop playing cus I had a max cannon cart from the grind, a troop I really liked anyway, so I kept playing the builder base after, and now I still play the builder base after the update. It’s pretty good. I’ll play if my main troops are training. Nothing wrong with more clash to play
I always liked builder base, but with the 2.0 rework I like it more, although there are some refinement needed to do. First, at least in the lower leagues I would like an increase of Gold and elixir obtainable (not the bonus, just the attacks itself, getting raised by 20 to 30%) and also a bigger diversity to legitimate options to use in the attacks, alongside mass pekka, cannon cart, baby dragon and potentially Night witch. It would be cool to see a boxer giant buff of 10% health and/or 1 more second of the ability
I personally like Builder Base 2.0, it brings a different and more active kind of attack style to the normal player base and provides a low-stakes experience where I don't really need to constantly play to keep my rank. 2.0 was a massive improvement, but the low loot output is frustrating sometimes
I personally like builder base more than the home village because you cannot attack back to back in the home village. You need to wait for the troops, spells, heroes and clan castle troops but attacking back to back in the builder base is very much possible and fun to grind
The new builder battle system is mostly the same as versus battles. The only difference is you can start a new one without waiting for the last one to finish.
I would say is to fix the trophy system and loot system and that may fix it. Like there is no deals nor packs to progress with no other signs to do after you finish the main parts
They need to add a system that allows you to exchange builder gold and elixir to the home base somehow. Almost like bringing gear over from one island to another
Personally i always hated how builder base had major balancing issues which is probably another reason why people dont place Builder base other than 6th, gems, and clan games. Mega tesla, crusher destroying my tanks. Giant cannon and lava launcher destroying my range and guard post troops distracting my battle machine and luring it across the base into a crusher
I maxed out builder base 9 before 2023 and then the 2.0 update came out and changed the layout of my base to a random one and deleted my old design, i was too lazy to make a new base since it was two bases now and haven’t touched it since… besides the gem mine
Because it takes like 20 battles to get enough loot for 1 upgrade, I make my goal pushing trophies which becomes IMPOSSIBLE when you are against a trophy dropping max th but YOU get 6 starred EVERY SINGLE TIME and Ben though I nearly 6 star every time, once you get high enough it is literally impossible to gain more than you lose
The way i see it is, if i have nothing else to do on main village i jump over to builder base. However you have to take it with a pinch of salt like anything else. There arent a great deal of helpful rewards from builder base like books potions etc so most people just get the extra builder and free gems. I agree the battle system is quite dull because of how small the maps and armies are. I think they need to add extra levels for builder base and add spells and maybe change the reinforcement system or tweak it. I play builder base and have my own complaints but honestly i think the lack of content and decent rewards is where the main problems are. People would definitely play it more if there was rewards they needed tied to it.
For me the ability to farm however I like, eg by dropping trophies farming with super goblins is very exciting. I can farm my walls faster, while I get attacked less. There’s no flexibility in the BB, they need to change it from a loot system to an upgrade system maybe more people will play then.
1 hour of looting with training potion at the main base is enough to fill my storages. In builder base, been looting for two hours and I'm nowhere near filling half of it
The issue with builders base is that the payouts barely become better as you level up. roughly 20k - 30k for 3 stars is pathetic on higher level bases. Even the 200k bonus is nothing. My average upgrades are beyond 1 million. I gotta do like 50+ 3 star attacks just to afford anything. It’s so repetitive and boring. Another issue that greatly contributes is the trophies. I find myself constantly reaching the max on my trophies then stuck with getting 1 to 2 stars” attacks so around 8k -15k payouts (may as well pay me nothing tbh) so then I gotta purposely fail attacks to lower my trophies. Just so I can the smash threw levels faster and get better pay. Builders hall is just a mess. It’s fun on lower levels but higher you go more boring and repetitive it becomes.
I think they should add some new features that help to gain benefits in our main village. I am very old player have 6 builders when the task was hard AF. At that time playing builder base was fun but its been years since i played it, i just go and collect my 5 gems each day that's it .
I just go into builder base attacks. Spam my pekka army and close the game and reopen it. There I have it, instantly 3 stars in 10-15 seconds. I do that 4 times at most and easily get to the 10 star requirement for loot bonus in just 40-60 secs of my time. This works really great for completing clan games as well. I usually do it in around 20-30 minutes.
It's fun if u have all troop with at least lv 18 . U can try different strategies.But I know the grinding journey to unlock all troop and upgrading is just pain.
I only play BB currently, because I only like to play war on the normal base, but because they removed global chat from the game I can't find a decent clan. Btw any one with a cool clan focused on wars? Th9 full
I went on a trophy losing streak just because I’d have to 6 star bases that sometimes were a lot stronger than mine (I am bh7) only to keep my trophies thus not winning any since everybody else did 6 star my base even tho I had a decent base. At this point I’ll just rush to th9 to get the 6th builder
There isn't much strategy when battle machine gets chain lightning skill and witches, same attack armies to grind and its a hassle im on bh 8 and the struggle is real im almost 3 months in from maxing.
i think the loot needs a buff to the loot gained from matches most of the resources come from the star bonus becuase the match loot is so insignificant i dont wanna have to do 20 matches to get an upgrade started
The old builder base is way better imo, I used play it when I was done with the home village (when the troops were training) or to compelte seasonal challenges. The versus battle gave it a different taste. But nowadays, it feels like a worse version of the home village. They just made it worse instead of improving.
My bh base is almost maxed and I enjoyed it ever since I completed the original otto challenges. The downsides are trying to max is extremely slow and I always have full storages before my builders get done. On top of that I have my useless battle copter is always upgrading. But overall it's a good break from the original base. You only get to attack once or twice in the original base and then you have to wait an hour for your next army to train. Honestly, grinding the original game is a lot more boring than the builder hall.
Learn the Battlecopter for the second base. Let it cook; can pull off a 5 star with just 1 surviving troop from the previous base more often than not. Very rarely, even six stars.
In my personal opinion I honestly think one of the best ways to improve it would be remove the attacking system they have and make it like the home village bc then this way players could go find bases they would feel better attacking and not always whoever happens to match or however that works I’m a bc 10 but I’m not fully maxed and I’ve actually lost over a 150 trophies or more since bc there harder to get which I don’t find fair in some cases we need a bit less expensive upgrades and just a bit more loot to make it worth while and another issue I have is with the match making there is high level bh that have everything but it’s low level well if you’re a bc 4 and get stuck against a low bc 8 or 9 or even 7 there’s not much you can do it’s an automatic los which I find unfair especially to players that don’t pay to play in my opinion what should be done to fix this I’d have it coded in the game no matter your trophie count you can only attack the same level you are or 1 above for example if your bc 3 you can attack 3 and 4 that’s it if you’re 5 then only 5 and 6 and so on this way you don’t get stuck with losing to a higher bc your in the same league I find if it was done that way people might not rush so much but it gives free to play players a better chance instead and by having the attack system from the home village that would allow you to attack at your own pace but having the ability to pay a bit of gold or elxier to skip it and possibly have the option to do that maybe 10 times at most and instead the stars would account for a loot bonus like the home village just doing that alone I think would improve the builder base bc I slowed down playing it bc everything takes so long to upgrade it costs to much and its painful to try and get more trophies like I said I’ve lost over a 150 of them since bc it’s so much harder between 2 smaller bases to attack it’s like why do I bother trying and the other dumb thing I recently noticed is that you don’t always fight the person that’s attacking you which is beyond me so I have more reasonable opinions and options on how to Improve the bb to make it worth playing more but to be smooth like it’s not a chore Anyway that’s what I think let me know if anyone has an opinion based on mine I’m sure I’m not the only one
Baby dragon and PEKKA are really good, but I wouldn't call other troops useless. Cannon cart is tricky to use, but very useful once you know how to use it. Giant become really better after the spacial ability. Night witch is my personal favourite and very fun to use.And bommer is a very important against base with high level walls. Baby dragon and PEKKA is really good for rushers and maxers, but depends on the base design they sometimes don't perform very well.
@@FrozenBrawlStars I didn't use it because it was very under level in my base, so that's why I don't know how good it is. I will give it a try someday.
I like the builder base. I play it all the time. I think the main base has too many troops if anything. So many troops to deploy. They need some cross resources with it. Some of the elixir gold or ores as rewards. Problem with it are I always have full builder gold and elixir now and so slow building times.
You cant really say the troops that arent the pekka or baby dragon are bad because each troop is meant to serve a different purpose, it just depends on the type of base youre going after
Here's the thing, nobody players clash of clans *for* the builder base, so in order to get players to use it, Supercell needs to make _really_ good incentives for players to keep playing it
I play it to get my 9 stars, and then i also use it for clan game challenges and battle pass challenges. However i think its WAY too grindy and takes WAY too long to get resources. The limited to 2 builders thing when they even added an entire new area is just stupid. There should be 3 builders. I understand its probably a way to pad out a bit more content for those that want it but clearly people dont like it too much. I also hate that they added a 6th builder in there but it will take so long to get it because obviously no one played it.
Night witch spam makes it so it’s not even fun. There’s very little you can do against them. For reference, I just want the achievement for the builder base and the 6th builder, then I’ll only ever use it for clan games.
There are multiple problems with the builder base: Shitty loot, slow progression, getting punished for not rushing, keep facing higher/rushed BH's and getting destroyed by them because they have stronger armies, overall shitty attacking, just too many flaws. The only good factor that you could say are clan game challenges and even those i barely do due to my overall disslike towards BH.
The BB was so good and then so bad, it was small, fast and competitive, for a quick fun it was good, then it got big again and the matchmaking got thrown into oblivion and farming was exhausting
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builder base: what is my purpose
players: to complete clan games fast
builder base: oh. my. god
F u its better than main shi village
No its for 6th builder
That's so true, I use it only for CG after getting the 6th builder
@@vishwavichu3861 f u builder base >Home villagw
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The problem is obvious: Builder base is too grindy, doesn't offer a lot of strategy, and is extremely slow progression wise.
But supercell for some reason doesn't want to change this.
2+2=9
Actually, Builder Base does offer a lot of strategy if you play it for some time. It is just most people do not have time for it because they want to get the 6th builder as fast as possible.
BB 2.0 is quite strategic, but the Grindy issue has always plagued the mode.
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I think if they did reduced the grind of It, would be a lot more fun
I actually really like Builder Base. I think all it needs is the earned loot to be doubled. Both from the star bonus, and the attack/defend loot. Right now, it takes forever to get enough loot to do just one upgrade.
Exactly
And they should offer double the amount of loot they do in the raid shop. Or they should make it 3/3 like the rest of the stuff and not only available once.
They think because there is no troop training time the loot is balanced. It’s not. Also what’s your favourite troop?
Especially the gold upgrades
Agreed with you. They also need to do more builder base events and challenges since we barely ever get those.
i love builder base, but limited daily rewards and very low loot amounts are SO annoying when ur like 1 mil recourses off and it takes an hour of attacks or 3 builder star potions.
Fr. I love builder base but the grind is way too much
Then having to fail all your attacks so you can lower your trophies to stop getting those 1 - 2 star bases. Mmmm I love 7k - 15k payouts when I got shit that costs over a million to upgrade.
Even the 3 star payouts aren’t even remotely worth it for high level players it’s a joke.. the payouts barely change as you level up in trophies and base.
It’s so hard to play BH when you know the amount of games you’ll have to 3 star just to afford that upgrade.
Yeah especially if you completed the daily reward for each win, then wait for another 24hrs to complete another
Its too please people who have already have maxed out builders bases. They'd feel cheated by the game since more and more people would reach maxed out status without having too go trough the struggles they went through. And those people are usually the hardcore fanbase of the game.
A lot of MMO's struggle with this. What you usually see is that developers release a middle tier of more efficient grinding, rather than a top tier. Its a compromise between the top tier players and the lower tier players.
But well, in the case of builder bases, the grinding rewards stay relatively the same throughout the whole grind itself. So increasing the rewards would affect all players
I really like playing the Builder Base. Unlike the Home Village, you can always play it instead of needing to wait for your army to train. I think that the overall experience is very difficult from the Home Village. Instead of choosing an attack strategy beforehand and picking out a village, you choose a strategy for the base you get assigned to. With fewer buildings, fewer troops, and no spells, it's more important to think about how to use each individual troop. This is further enhanced by the special abilities each troop has. Even besides that, there's also the second stage, which, of course, adds a lot more strategy to both attacking and base building.
2+2=9
@@Summersn1pes
I've heard 4, 22, and "fish," but I've never heard 9.
Yeah
Most people dont want to play clash of clans for 30 mins straight and rather attack and get off. Its what keeps people coming back and playing. I find the builder base to be boring mainly because the bases are smaller, no spells, and having to do multiple attacks
I see the problem of people complaining is basically skill issue lmao
I believe the BB 2.0 is a test for future home village updates. Home village is soon going to need to expand in other ways than just town halls because supercell is nearing the max town hall or else the game becomes too complex. It's not fair to say the BB doesn't fit in when there's people who like it and it doesn't hurt the game in any way, it's simply just an addition. But that's my opinion.
Agreed. So many people just want supercell to remove the builder base altogether. If they don’t like it, just don’t play it.
By having to press down the unit icon to make it deal more damage is bad design because it causes sometimes accidentally activating the abilities, unless you're on a some enormous tablet screen
Makes me wonder at what stage would they stop making new townhalls. Surely they're not planning on giving us th 50 right
They will probably stop at 20 or under@@bushidoh8316
Same problem in builder base 2.0, such a grind to get loot. Though there is no cap, to earn gold we have to score star and the loot increases exponentially with the star. The elixir seems to pile up faster than gold while there is still half of base lwft to upgrade and no use of elixir, as of builder base 5. It feels so grindy to upgrade wall and go max. They need to make the walls be upgradeable by elixir like in home village and everything will be good.
from wall level 7 you can upgrade with elixir just like the home village, i’m trying to max level 6 walls so for level 7 and onwards i’ll only use easier elixir instead of the precious gold
When i'm not trying to find builder gold/builder elixir:Full
When i need them (like for heroes):not enough
@@lorenzostella9031 yeah but man just fully upgtading walls to lvl 5 takes so much time and gold how one normally reah lvl 7 effiviently
I think having a builder base event would be cool. Maybe a 5 day event for builder base clan war
No thanks we need long event like a month for builder base and clan wars and clan war leagues
I remember Darien talking with Judo Sloth not long ago. He said that the team is thinking about making a three-stage or maybe even four-stage attack on the Builder Base. I would like to see that. Maybe, you could unlock the third stage at Builder Hall 11. Then, at BH 12, there can be a new building that gives you tasks to complete similar to the B.O.B. Control. Once they're completed, you unlock a new benefit that helps with the Home Village.
An idea I have is a building that gives you a choice of a few things with a cooldown of 46 hours. Here are the choices I came up with:
1. Boost all builders in both bases by 2x for 1 hour
2. Triple the research speed in both bases for 1 hour.
3. Boost resource gathering in both villages by 2x for two hours
4. Get 15 gems
5. Get 500 Capital Gold
500 capitol gold is chump change, so that'll probably be what they pick 💀
@@lucienskinner-savallisch5399
The idea is that the player would be able to choose any of those options every 46 hours. The exact values would definitely need a lot of tweaking.
@@circleo1992 I'm just tryna be funny dawg
Clash of clans ❌
clash of villages ✅
My idea is simply adding spells. However only 1 spell use for each of the two attacks. Example if you pick rage in the first attack you have to use a different spell in the next attack.
Spells would be heal, rage, earthquake and frost.
And Obviously the spells will have to be balanced to fit the builder base and more importantly have reduced area of effect. and for the sake of it heal and rage should have a reduced effects for the battle machine hero
I think the builder base gameplay is actually really fun, I just unlocked the canon cart yesterday and I think it is by far the most interesting troop in the game, and the second tier is a pretty fun way to spice up raids, the main problem is that it is mind numbingly grindy. The upgrades take even longer and they're even more expensive, but you only have a single builder and I earn literally ten times less loot then I do on a good home village raid, there has never been a single time where I've seriously needed the star bonus at the home village, but it feels like that's my only source of loot in the builder base. Upgrading the builder base simply isn't fun, any excitement you get from the new features is completely drowned out by the unbelievable amount of time it takes to get them
Good luck grinding for the 5th builder
Every new player has this opinion 👍🏻
I am playing coc since last year my bh level is 8 it's not that hard use wall rings in future and use raid medals if u have any loot shortage 😊
Yea fr the amount of loot you get per attack is so small it feels like it barley got any resources and also the cost of buildings/defenses is a joke
I really hate the part that when they decided to split the walls. They didn't changed the cost. As in 1 single piece of wall requires same amount of resources as 5 pieces. And also the time required to upgrade after certain point(7d+) is ridiculous considering that this mini game was supposed to be fun
0:04 7?! Man I'm getting old
Bro same wth
loot is still very much an issue in the builder base. while adding loot depending on how many stars you get from attacking, and how many stars the opponents get from attacking you is a nice addition, it really isn't enough, and it's because after a certain BH level, a large majority of buildings cost a full worth of your storages, which is in the millions, compared to the tens of thousands of loot you can get normally from attacks, and hundreds of thousands of loot from daily star bonuses
Builder Base is missing something important in its gamemode, clan-to-clan battles. If Builder Base has one which has a completely different experience from any clan-related battles (Clan Wars, CWL, Raid Weekend) and does reward stuff which can help not only Home Village but also Builder Base itself as well, Builder Base will finally feel belong to the game.
Now it's really hard for me to hit 3k trophies with BH 7 max and matchmaking is unfair getting higher BH 9/10 every single match
I have the same problem I managed to reach 2.9k but dropped a bunch of trophies because I had to pretty much 6 star every single base I got to only keep my trophies
It's impossible to reach 3k before BH9. Literally at 2.7k trophies I had to 6 star everyone just to stay at same place
You just gotta rush. The builder base favors rushing extremely hard. Only upgrade night witches, leave defenses at low levels, dont touch walls and you get high trophies quickly
Doesn’t help that night witch spam is next to impossible to counter. (If you use the landmine in the corner strategies, that can easily be overpowered by placing any other troop before that point). it makes it hard to climb higher without remaining stagnant
@@ima_psykopathpsn8411 don't place the bombs next to the corner, place them in the path the night witches will take
One thing that heavily improved with builderbase 2.0 is the meta game around higher townhalls.
Before 2.0 I managed to push up 5000 trophys and almost max out TH 9. At that level the main goal was trying to reach the TH so you can get a 2 star with hopefully more % than your opponent since getting a 3 star was almost impossible due to the clumped up bases. Only mass hoggliders were able to get a 3star which removed the strategical aspect of the troop choice.
With 2.0 it is much more doable to get a 6 star with a variety of troops and it is much more fun to strategise again, thanks to the smaller villages.
I hate the matchmaking in the builder base, unlike in the main base you can't choose who you attack so you're usually forced to attack a builder base 1 or 2 levels above you which feels unfair. Also you rely a lot more on each individual troop which means that if the AI of the troop misbehaves it completely screws your attack over
While you can't choose. You can fight over and over. Since there's no army making time
yea agree - previosly the spam negated the bad unit behaviour - now its a terrible
i think they should transfer the gem mine and the clock tower to the main base and remove the builder base, and compensate us with a bunch of gems for it.
Collectors are underrated, if you don't like the builder base you don't need to attack, plenty possible to max slowly with just collectors, I hit max bh9 and I'm fairly deep into bh10 for only using collectors (lvl10 collectors get you 300k a day)
No way
@@Mohammedjkukhon #YV99UPQYP take a visit if you don't believe me, still working on walls but I haven't attacked even once since the update, just gotta log on🙂
Yes, but that's boring af
Only use it occasionally to make progress towards the 6th builder
Ngl I like the Builder Base more then the Normal One
Who else hears "butter base"? Or is it just me...
If they did cut off some update and price times, and of course add some more conection to the home village (other than, 6th builder and gear ups) will be a good start.
the original builder base was the only reason i played COC back then
i could sit for hours just attacking bases, i like smaller attacks more than gigantic attacks with hundreds of troops
the only thing i wanted was something akin to a spell but on a much smaller scale,outside of that old BB was perfect for me
Bro why are the comments so cringe 💀
2+2=9
🤓
Thala for a reason
i used to really like the builder base, fun farming, unique troops, challenging strategies. but now i'm at BH6 where i spam witches at lower trophy levels so my defense can actually make elixir. it's too hard to get enough resources for anything. I recently just decided to rush untill BH9 to get the 6th builder, it'll be hard and a long grind but it'll be easier than actually playing the builder base
Half the upgrade times across the board, add 2 builder hall levels with more buildings, add actual matchmaking and a new incentive similar to the 6th builder but that doesn't encourage rushing and you have a great second base
I really like the builder base, I just think there should be more variation in the offensive units. As it sits right now, there are really only 3 types of troops. You have primary damage dealers like pekkas and dragons, which are meant to take out large sections of the base. You also have sniping troops like archers and minions, which are meant to take out individual targets in the base. Finally, you have support troops like giants or wall breakers to help you brute force into a base. If you simply understand what units beat what defenses, and you have enough units to fill the roles, you'll have no issues beating any base. Every strategy now boils down to using a sniping troop (typically cannon carts) to destroy a lot of the base, and then using a damage dealer to clean up the rest. Maybe you throw in a support troop to take out something deeper in the base before or while you push into it. There just isn't a lot of creativity in how you approach attacks now. They need to rework a few troops to help diversify the roster. Archers and minions, for example, feel way too similar. I don't like that they fill the exact same role slightly differently. I also don't like that both tend to be outclassed by cannon carts due to the importance of keeping your troops alive, or that they lose their abilities and the cannon carts don't after using them.
Totally not me using Beta Minions spam and 1 or 2 Skeleton Ballons as Tanks while the Helicopter/Machine works as a bonus to tank, clean, take out something or whatever it will do better for each base xd 🤡.
Works pretty well.
the main problem w/ the builder base is that it is very expensive to upgrade things for example in the normal village the upgrade of the storages cost a reasonable amount of loot but in the builder base upgrade from level 2 to 3 costs 200,000 elixir/gold
i grinded my ass off getting that 6th builder, devoted so much time to it and spent more time on my builder base than main base at some points
I HATE... H - A - T - E builder base.
The reason why is because I feel forced to do a painfully long and tedious grind for the 6th builder.
It took me half a year, and I hated every second of it.
Only 2 builders for +5d upgrades. The upgrades are expensive and you get little resources so you have to grind. The 6th builder is locked at a very high town hall making the entire process not just boring, but frustrating as well.
Builder base is a good idea on paper, but they ruined it by making the gameplay artificially slow and tiring to get the rewards you want.
Thinking I have to do the same again in my alt makes me sick, but the 6th builder worth it.
You're always focusing on the negative. Can you make a positive video pls
2+2=9
77+33 =100
-1 x -1 = 1
I do make more positive videos, but they don't really end up performing well, which makes me think most people prefer the more negative type videos.
@@Disfunctional48925 2+2=9
I'm looking at builder base a different way. I don't mind playing it too much, but if people get to BH10, then thats max gem mine, bob hut, and you can use what resources you passively generate to make capital gold if you have a spare builder.
Edit: I guess you can do it from BH9 too but BH10 is more efficient, particularly for the capitol gold. That will add up.
Can’t wait to get the 6th builder so I can drop it , just need hero levels which takes forever!
thank god for the update i started playing coc last year in jan and i was grinding out for the sixth builder and thank god i got it just 2 days ago after one year, the builder base 2.0 made things alor easier
I really liked both iterations of the builder's base. It's been almost a year since the 2.0 update, and I'm almost done finishing all the walls to max it out. I hope they add new bases or something to keep me playing because I stopped playing the original mode for a while after maxing it out. I only played it for the loot whenever I had free builders for the clan capital currency or to finish quickly clan games
9:50 I personally like the star bonus being so massive instead of increasing loot from each battle. It’s enough where resources are rarely the bottleneck anymore if I’m getting 1mil from the raid metal bonuses each week.
I remember the 6th builder grind really wasn’t that bad, took a few months, and I didn’t stop playing cus I had a max cannon cart from the grind, a troop I really liked anyway, so I kept playing the builder base after, and now I still play the builder base after the update. It’s pretty good. I’ll play if my main troops are training. Nothing wrong with more clash to play
I always liked builder base, but with the 2.0 rework I like it more, although there are some refinement needed to do. First, at least in the lower leagues I would like an increase of Gold and elixir obtainable (not the bonus, just the attacks itself, getting raised by 20 to 30%) and also a bigger diversity to legitimate options to use in the attacks, alongside mass pekka, cannon cart, baby dragon and potentially Night witch. It would be cool to see a boxer giant buff of 10% health and/or 1 more second of the ability
My builder base heros are a combined level of 43. 2 more levels and I'll never have to play it again, except for clan games.
I personally like Builder Base 2.0, it brings a different and more active kind of attack style to the normal player base and provides a low-stakes experience where I don't really need to constantly play to keep my rank. 2.0 was a massive improvement, but the low loot output is frustrating sometimes
No, in early days troops used to take time to train in the builder base. It was extremely frustrating, and most of the people left it because of that.
I personally like builder base more than the home village because you cannot attack back to back in the home village. You need to wait for the troops, spells, heroes and clan castle troops but attacking back to back in the builder base is very much possible and fun to grind
The reduction in troop's quantity was the worst decision Supercell ever made. That ruined so many great strategies and reduced flexibility too much!
The new builder battle system is mostly the same as versus battles. The only difference is you can start a new one without waiting for the last one to finish.
players: we don't like builder base
supercell: ok 😉 *add another builder base*
i like builder base so much that one night before the exams i did almost like 19-20 attacks its so fun
I would say is to fix the trophy system and loot system and that may fix it. Like there is no deals nor packs to progress with no other signs to do after you finish the main parts
They need to add a system that allows you to exchange builder gold and elixir to the home base somehow. Almost like bringing gear over from one island to another
Personally i always hated how builder base had major balancing issues which is probably another reason why people dont place Builder base other than 6th, gems, and clan games. Mega tesla, crusher destroying my tanks. Giant cannon and lava launcher destroying my range and guard post troops distracting my battle machine and luring it across the base into a crusher
I liked it. Same as I view music; if you don’t like it, don’t listen to it 😂
I maxed out builder base 9 before 2023 and then the 2.0 update came out and changed the layout of my base to a random one and deleted my old design, i was too lazy to make a new base since it was two bases now and haven’t touched it since… besides the gem mine
Because it takes like 20 battles to get enough loot for 1 upgrade, I make my goal pushing trophies which becomes IMPOSSIBLE when you are against a trophy dropping max th but YOU
get 6 starred EVERY SINGLE TIME and Ben though I nearly 6 star every time, once you get high enough it is literally impossible to gain more than you lose
It's already so hard to grind for loot in the home base. I don't really have time for builder base
The way i see it is, if i have nothing else to do on main village i jump over to builder base. However you have to take it with a pinch of salt like anything else. There arent a great deal of helpful rewards from builder base like books potions etc so most people just get the extra builder and free gems. I agree the battle system is quite dull because of how small the maps and armies are. I think they need to add extra levels for builder base and add spells and maybe change the reinforcement system or tweak it. I play builder base and have my own complaints but honestly i think the lack of content and decent rewards is where the main problems are. People would definitely play it more if there was rewards they needed tied to it.
“My thoughts on Builder Base”
Me: Maxed out my Gem Mine, claim my gems and call it a day.
Its just the resource part for me, you dont get a lot of gold by attacking and things are expensive to upgrade or build so that needs to change
They should make builder base wars👀
For me the ability to farm however I like, eg by dropping trophies farming with super goblins is very exciting. I can farm my walls faster, while I get attacked less. There’s no flexibility in the BB, they need to change it from a loot system to an upgrade system maybe more people will play then.
1 hour of looting with training potion at the main base is enough to fill my storages. In builder base, been looting for two hours and I'm nowhere near filling half of it
I only use Builder Base for gem mine🗿
The issue with builders base is that the payouts barely become better as you level up. roughly 20k - 30k for 3 stars is pathetic on higher level bases. Even the 200k bonus is nothing.
My average upgrades are beyond 1 million. I gotta do like 50+ 3 star attacks just to afford anything. It’s so repetitive and boring.
Another issue that greatly contributes is the trophies.
I find myself constantly reaching the max on my trophies then stuck with getting 1 to 2 stars” attacks so around 8k -15k payouts (may as well pay me nothing tbh) so then I gotta purposely fail attacks to lower my trophies. Just so I can the smash threw levels faster and get better pay.
Builders hall is just a mess. It’s fun on lower levels but higher you go more boring and repetitive it becomes.
I think they should add some new features that help to gain benefits in our main village. I am very old player have 6 builders when the task was hard AF. At that time playing builder base was fun but its been years since i played it, i just go and collect my 5 gems each day that's it .
I like this village, i love to troll people with cannon carts real time
I just go into builder base attacks. Spam my pekka army and close the game and reopen it. There I have it, instantly 3 stars in 10-15 seconds. I do that 4 times at most and easily get to the 10 star requirement for loot bonus in just 40-60 secs of my time. This works really great for completing clan games as well. I usually do it in around 20-30 minutes.
Riveting gameplay
everyone just rush to bh9 while upgrading the requirements for the 6th builder and they just forget about that base forever
I love the builder base it's the main reason I still play clash of clans
I like it!
It's fun if u have all troop with at least lv 18 . U can try different strategies.But I know the grinding journey to unlock all troop and upgrading is just pain.
I only play BB currently, because I only like to play war on the normal base, but because they removed global chat from the game I can't find a decent clan. Btw any one with a cool clan focused on wars? Th9 full
And when the world needed him most he… dropped another banger .
I went on a trophy losing streak just because I’d have to 6 star bases that sometimes were a lot stronger than mine (I am bh7) only to keep my trophies thus not winning any since everybody else did 6 star my base even tho I had a decent base. At this point I’ll just rush to th9 to get the 6th builder
i like builder base, simply bcs i love CoC and i very like every aspect of this game, so every day i will at least complete my star bonus in BB
There isn't much strategy when battle machine gets chain lightning skill and witches, same attack armies to grind and its a hassle im on bh 8 and the struggle is real im almost 3 months in from maxing.
i think the loot needs a buff to the loot gained from matches most of the resources come from the star bonus becuase the match loot is so insignificant i dont wanna have to do 20 matches to get an upgrade started
I like builder base in how it gives you stuff to do while you wait
The old builder base is way better imo, I used play it when I was done with the home village (when the troops were training) or to compelte seasonal challenges. The versus battle gave it a different taste. But nowadays, it feels like a worse version of the home village. They just made it worse instead of improving.
Any base building game when their game gets boring: add more bases
My bh base is almost maxed and I enjoyed it ever since I completed the original otto challenges. The downsides are trying to max is extremely slow and I always have full storages before my builders get done. On top of that I have my useless battle copter is always upgrading. But overall it's a good break from the original base. You only get to attack once or twice in the original base and then you have to wait an hour for your next army to train. Honestly, grinding the original game is a lot more boring than the builder hall.
Learn the Battlecopter for the second base. Let it cook; can pull off a 5 star with just 1 surviving troop from the previous base more often than not. Very rarely, even six stars.
I do enjoy the Builder base but it needs to have more loot and decreased upgrade time. Upgrading walls is geniunely a nightmare now that I am maxed.
In my personal opinion I honestly think one of the best ways to improve it would be remove the attacking system they have and make it like the home village bc then this way players could go find bases they would feel better attacking and not always whoever happens to match or however that works I’m a bc 10 but I’m not fully maxed and I’ve actually lost over a 150 trophies or more since bc there harder to get which I don’t find fair in some cases we need a bit less expensive upgrades and just a bit more loot to make it worth while and another issue I have is with the match making there is high level bh that have everything but it’s low level well if you’re a bc 4 and get stuck against a low bc 8 or 9 or even 7 there’s not much you can do it’s an automatic los which I find unfair especially to players that don’t pay to play in my opinion what should be done to fix this I’d have it coded in the game no matter your trophie count you can only attack the same level you are or 1 above for example if your bc 3 you can attack 3 and 4 that’s it if you’re 5 then only 5 and 6 and so on this way you don’t get stuck with losing to a higher bc your in the same league I find if it was done that way people might not rush so much but it gives free to play players a better chance instead and by having the attack system from the home village that would allow you to attack at your own pace but having the ability to pay a bit of gold or elxier to skip it and possibly have the option to do that maybe 10 times at most and instead the stars would account for a loot bonus like the home village just doing that alone I think would improve the builder base bc I slowed down playing it bc everything takes so long to upgrade it costs to much and its painful to try and get more trophies like I said I’ve lost over a 150 of them since bc it’s so much harder between 2 smaller bases to attack it’s like why do I bother trying and the other dumb thing I recently noticed is that you don’t always fight the person that’s attacking you which is beyond me so I have more reasonable opinions and options on how to Improve the bb to make it worth playing more but to be smooth like it’s not a chore
Anyway that’s what I think let me know if anyone has an opinion based on mine I’m sure I’m not the only one
Nice vid
I'm not a big fan of the builder base, its alright, definitely agree on the resources part on trying to max everything, including the walls.
Baby dragon and PEKKA are really good, but I wouldn't call other troops useless. Cannon cart is tricky to use, but very useful once you know how to use it. Giant become really better after the spacial ability. Night witch is my personal favourite and very fun to use.And bommer is a very important against base with high level walls. Baby dragon and PEKKA is really good for rushers and maxers, but depends on the base design they sometimes don't perform very well.
*Pekka
sorry I had to do it
@@thesilentone3687 no it's fine, don't worry.
@@thesilentone3687 fixed.
You are forgetting the most broken troop rn, the dropship
@@FrozenBrawlStars I didn't use it because it was very under level in my base, so that's why I don't know how good it is. I will give it a try someday.
l remember playing this instead of the regular CoC lol
Supercell should simply increase loot by 2 or 2.5 times.
I like the builder base. I play it all the time. I think the main base has too many troops if anything. So many troops to deploy.
They need some cross resources with it. Some of the elixir gold or ores as rewards. Problem with it are I always have full builder gold and elixir now and so slow building times.
This the only reason im playing tbh 😂 i dont like the making troops finding best attack strat etc
You cant really say the troops that arent the pekka or baby dragon are bad because each troop is meant to serve a different purpose, it just depends on the type of base youre going after
To me it always has felt like there was nothing to do after maxing
Here's the thing, nobody players clash of clans *for* the builder base, so in order to get players to use it, Supercell needs to make _really_ good incentives for players to keep playing it
I play it to get my 9 stars, and then i also use it for clan game challenges and battle pass challenges. However i think its WAY too grindy and takes WAY too long to get resources. The limited to 2 builders thing when they even added an entire new area is just stupid. There should be 3 builders. I understand its probably a way to pad out a bit more content for those that want it but clearly people dont like it too much. I also hate that they added a 6th builder in there but it will take so long to get it because obviously no one played it.
Night witch spam makes it so it’s not even fun. There’s very little you can do against them. For reference, I just want the achievement for the builder base and the 6th builder, then I’ll only ever use it for clan games.
i like it. i am almost maxed bh 10
There are multiple problems with the builder base:
Shitty loot, slow progression, getting punished for not rushing, keep facing higher/rushed BH's and getting destroyed by them because they have stronger armies, overall shitty attacking, just too many flaws.
The only good factor that you could say are clan game challenges and even those i barely do due to my overall disslike towards BH.
I'm builder TH9 and I find builder matches faster than multiplayer matches on the regular island.
In my opinion if they kept the old builder base but buffed the loot it would have been great. I liked it
I have always maxed the builder base, now i have it maxed and I keep stacking resources
The BB was so good and then so bad, it was small, fast and competitive, for a quick fun it was good, then it got big again and the matchmaking got thrown into oblivion and farming was exhausting
The starbonus in the builder base should give ores for equipment too