Dylan was the prophetic embodiment of the spirit of the '60s, and when he realized that that spirit itself was phoney and told people as much, they didn't take it kindly
The Cambodian thing reminded me of something that infuriated me about Anthony Bourdain. He was in Cambodia and he goes off on this rant about he wants to put Henry Kissinger on trial for War Crimes. Meanwhile he’s sitting in mass grave that was filled by communist Pol Pot and he’s mad at a Republican who fought communism. New York foodies and New York folkies have a lot in common.
Dylans ability to write was touched by God. One of the reasons his stuff has held up so well is because he refused to bend the knee to anyone's orthodoxy starting with the Communist agitators in the Village.
Exactly! His lyrics naturally flow prophecy. In essence his words are ecclesiastical and Proverbs. The thing I like about how they filmed “A Complete Unknown” was he was adamant about making his music a product of the time. Seeger wanted him to stay in the folk music that celebrated the labor movement’s and he even wanted to move on from the 60’s era as well. Let art flow naturally and you become timeless like Bob Dylan.
"I step right in to the burning hell Where the best known enemies of mankind dwell Mr. Freud with his dreams, Mr. Marx with his ax See the raw hide lash rip the skin from their backs" Bob Dylan, My Own Version of You, 2019.
2:31 ✋️ stop... I was present when Bobby Zimmerman was booed! Also watched Hendrix step out on stage and started playing something never played before. It shocked me when the crowd went completely nuts making Jimmy quit the tune. He said on mic, he was hoping to play a tune never heard, and the crowd booed again, much to my horror! So Jimmy lit into Purple Haze and the ignorant crowd were overjoyed! I couldn't believe we missed out on another history-in-the-making moment on film... a new Hendrix tune!?
Jimmy Hendrix hated the role he was made to play on stage. He really wanted to play jazz guitar and leave all the theatrics behind him. No real musician would ever choose to light their instrument on fire anymore than they would choose to light their best friend on fire. Jimmy actually hated all that nonsense and it led to his depression and ultimate death.
“The preacher was talkin’, a sermon he gave Saying ‘every man’s conscience is vial and depraved - You cannot depend on it to be your guide When it’s you who must keep it satisfied.’” Yep. Very yep.
@ yep! “Man in the Long Black Coat” from his 1989 Album ‘Oh Mercy’ toward the end of his ‘born again’ era. Lots of good stuff from that period in his career - I recommend his outtakes on the Bootleg Vol. 3 album.
The folk scene was filled with for real Communists who ran it and a number of fellow travelers who just went along. I did a deep dive into the scene, and its history in a misplaced nostalgia for it. The misplaced nostalgia didn't survive the reading.
@@TheAyeAye1 Ok, but the message of a lot of the anti war movement was correct to promote peace instead of offensive wars of aggression that destroyed the world and the United States of America. It’s the message that ultimately matters. People are complex and sometimes people with flawed and inherently evil ideologies are on the right side of history with certain issues. And again, many of them just wanted us to stop sending our boys overseas to die for a cause they didn’t even believe in and a government that discriminated against them. Which is a form of slavery and totalitarianism. The same kind of big government conservatives are supposed to be against ideally. But our world is far from ideal. Hence the Reagan, bush, Clinton years. Always makes me laugh when people claim how much they love Reagan and then in the same breath preach freedom and small government. As if that’s what he stood for.
@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 No. Absolutely not. The draft was unconstitutional. The war was illegal. And it wasn’t ours to be fighting to begin with. Also the civilian and military casualties were devastating. There’s a reason that the war was the downfall of LBJs presidency. A war has to be pretty unpopular to bring down a United States president. By the way during WW2, the United States supported Ho Chi Minh. Kind of like how the cia trained bin Ladin.
My Back Pages is probably my favorite Dylan song and it’s all about Dylan’s rejection of the 1960s protest movement and to abandon political songwriting.
Pete Seegar was a steady and swell fellow in his personal life. He was also a Communist party member who actively supported Stalin until Stalin's memory was denounced by Soviet leadership in the early Sixties. He kept supporting anti-American causes until his death and only managed a halfhearted statement that he got in wrong back in the day in the Nineties.
Let's go electric! Nod, nod, wink, wink.... I think Elvis was also, most of all, an artist. When he could not sleep he would go downstairs to his studio and make music. I cannot believe Tom Hanks suggested in an interview (after he played Colonel Tom Parker in Elvis) suggested Elvis should have came out against the Vietnam War. I think Tom Hanks should worry more about the decline of art in our films. Focus on making art, is probably good advise for an artist.
Went to see Sonic 3 with son (35) and grandson (8) and while not a gamer nor did I see Sonic 1, or 2 I found the Shadow character so compelling - his story arc, that I really don’t care what else was ‘wrong’ with the story line (or Carrey who overacted in every scene ad nauseum) Wjoever they had playing the Shadow character played it ‘straight’ - no florid excesses with voice or mannerisms, just actually touching and sensitive. Blew me away.
You might like Jaws, Godfather, Field of Dreams, Dead Poets Society, The Lord of the Rings. Actual great movies from history. The Sonic movies are not good. Maybe by 2020s standards, they are pretty good. Never judge a stone by the filth you found it in, and never mistake a pile of filth for a stone.
I know exactly what you mean about art and artists. In my youth I was close to artists all kinds of artists and it changed my life it gave direction to my life. I love all art I will go to museums art galleries at every opportunity. Plays, concerts, danse... Over the years I have purchased pieces of art but always directly from artists that I know, not necessarily intimately but I need to know whose work I'm buying. When I hear people complaining about subsidies for the arts I think I cannot imagine a World without art and neither should they.
@@ginabisaillon2894 not a constitutional republic like ours. Read the founders and framers works. A country was not to have a government that paid for extras with tax money. It wasn't
I don’t think it’s fair to say they weren’t upset that he went electric. It was all wrapped up together. They believed he was not only rejecting their politics but conforming to mainstream taste in rock n roll. To them The Beatles were the equivalent of pop artists like Britney Spears. Meaningless fluff. Folk music married authentic musical tradition and a specific activist message. So it really was both. It is true that Dylan was actively refusing to be their pawn. Which was shown in the film in his response to Seeger’s “teaspoon” lecture. And ultimately in his decision to deny Seeger his request and play electric that night. He realized they didn’t love HIM. they saw him as a pawn and a tool. And he went on to become a legend. Which never would have happened under their thumb.
The mindset of always trying to have an edge is satirized in LCD Soundsystem's "I'm losing my edge". Here's a section: "I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know" It just goes on and on like this.
Before he went Electric, Dylan released an album of folk songs where he didn't sing about political upheaval during the sixties. In one of the songs, My Back Pages, he actually rejected his former self for singing about the causes. And the album was criticized for not conforming to the counter-culture. It's fair to say that it was mostly about his indifference to their causes.
@@michaelindo4605 As an extension of this, Steve Jobs idolized Dylan. As a young man he'd type out and memorize Dylan lyrics. At one point trying to date Dylan's Ex even. I feel like Jobs was politically independent as he kept a lot of leftist agitprop off of the apple tv store while he was alive.
@ fine arts include music and theater, of which film is an extension. For the most part, as long as it is done out of desire to create beauty, something that appeals to man, I count it as fine art.
Fine Arts? The Blue Collar American is working all day to barely make ends meet and you are worried about Fine Arts? This just shows Andrew Klavan is an elitist who never had to work a day in his life
The movie DOES begin I think within the first 2 minutes of Seeger IN COURT for this kinda stuff, AND Dylan not wanting to be part of the 'tribe' is also addressed, these are brief moments, watch it again
I always really enjoy Dru Klayven's ruminations on art. This one in particular helped me grasp why Pete Seeger is so revered by Lefties even though he has always struck me as musically mediocre. It's the same reason that the same people think Obama was a great president... it's strictly an "he's on our team" impulse
Klavan, you’re a rare one. Memory that goes back more than five minutes. And to tell the truth to win instead of being cynical and lying like the Left. As far back as the 1920s and 1930s. Thank you so much.
I’ve thought this and talked about this for so long, and I’m so glad you brought it up. Given the way leftist act, it seems more plausible that they were booing him at Newport for turning his back on topical song material. And I bet it was organized.
There's a very interesting interview Dylan did with Ed Bradley on 60 minutes. Bradley asks him why at his age, he was still plugging away at it. Dylan responded that he's got to keep up his end of the bargain. Bradley asks "bargain with who?" Dylan responds with "You know, the Cheif Commander". This statement leads many to believe he sold his soul for fame and fortune.
Umm that's 40 plus years ago. Most people don't even know or care about that brief period in Dylan's life. But they do care about his music & songwriting
All sense of aesthetics died with the advent of socialism. That last socialist artist with any sense of beauty was William Morris. I miss the days when we didn't pretend that everything is art and everyone is an artist.
Well let me tell you, Sir: I was NOT ready! Not ready for you to play one of my least favorite songs by Joan Baez, "To Bobby"! 😅😅😅 As the number one fan of Joan here in France (I believe, anyway lol) I was hoping it would always remain in the depths of complete oblivion! 😅😅😅 But you must be a fan as well, else how on EARTH would you have heard about it? Aaah anyway, more seriously, I learned some from you tonight, including about the real reason why Dylan left the Folk scene! It all makes sense now... It's fascinating! THANK YOU!! ❤
Pete Seeger is the model for the communist artist who is so sweet and nice that people suspect nothing in his messages until it’s too late. They simply wake up one morning convinced that the state should own everything so they can distribute it “evenly”, until everyone is equally poor and starving. But I think Shakespeare nailed it, “That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.”
Thank you for saying all this out loud. I loved Dylans since finding it in the Seventies. My family were big PBS fans, so I romanticized the whole folk scene until actually looking into it and finding it was a, for real, Communist front. Indeed, there was one coffee house that catered to Trotskyites who weren't welcome in the other more ordinarily Communist places.
Very well reasoned, Andrew. But part of the problem is also there is massive gatekeeping in the Arts… on both sides. In the comic book field, the offices are in big cities with big city values. If you don’t abide by them, you can’t get in the walled city. Creators in the field add you to a blacklist or allegedly throw you in as a topic a whisper network. Then Conservative outlets tend to be a bit insular and closed to outsiders (those who aren’t already working in the “conservative field”). DW could hire comic book creators like myself and others and we could begin to make meaningful inroads to this massive, barely touched culture. (Imagine a Klavan / J. TOONS! collaboration…) Just my $0.02.
Walsh for taking courageous stands on the issues. Ben for politics Klavan for the arts (new addition for me) Knowles, a bit of all of the above, as only Knowles can do.
0:25-0:32 Thank you… Matt Walsh gets this wrong, Paul Washer gets this wrong. Barely a few seconds in and you have already made an excellent point. 1:35. Strongly disagree, Logan isn’t the only one. The Dark Knight was pretty well written. Even that trilogy has a whole explored the idea of what form of Justice reigns supreme.
@@ead630 Especially with regard to the second, with Peter wrestling with the decision to remain as Spider-Man or quit. He is torn between what he sees as his duty and his own happiness.
@@JensSchirnerDylan can’t sing??? He is the greatest American songwriter of all time. Doesn’t matter what his voice sounds like because his lyrics are literally that good.
I would suggest that the superhero character of Wanda / Scarlet Witch is an incredibly important and very old story retold. Today it’s insightful in regards to our societies low birth rates and childless women.
I'm sorry Pete was not a good guy because I admired him so much when I was young and I remember my boyfriend bought me a ticket to his performance in Montreal and it was the highlight of my 20s.
Art isn’t created to be political and when it becomes that it gets spoiled and Dylan saw that. He was a visionary and poet not a politician. Art is about the vertical pole of Being not about “having power” in the kingdoms of the world.
I thought the movie implied that Pete Sieger was trying to turn Bob Dylan into a political stooge. Before the final show at the Newport Folk Festival, he tells Bob that they're "almost there" with their cultural shift.
I think you’re right, they were being subtle about the politics but it was there. When Sieger first brings Dylan to his house to spend the night, he tells his wife that Bob is a fellow traveler. And of course his girlfriend, Sylvie, was a total commie but he seems to just go through the motions because she has a lot of connections in the folk scene.
Unfortunately the movie doesn’t totally broach the topic of how totally intolerant the “inclusive”, “tolerant” leftists were then and are now. Kudos to Bob Dylan for rejecting their rigid orthodoxy and not selling out and taking the bait to become their leftist poster boy. Dylan is one of the most misunderstood artists because people have allowed nonsense distractions to cloud the understanding of his true artistic vision. More than anything, he is and always been first and foremost a student of the American song book which he sees as the most true representation of the tapestry of American society and culture. All of his original compositions are rooted in this reverence for his predecessors and crafters of America’s song. When the people like Joan Baez and Pete Seeger and the whole generation of the Greenwich Village folk scene are long forgotten, the legacy of Dylan will live on as one of the greatest artists of all time.
I spent most of my life developing the skills necessary to create beauty through music. The goal was always beauty. it is very sad that art has been used and abused in such a sinister way as to use it to push a Godless and dehumanizing political agenda. Because of this, music (especially) has become an upside down pyramid that puts the least skilled at the top and the geniuses at the bottom. I am not a sports fan, but when I look at professional athletes, I ask myself; why can't it be like this in music? Why are the most skilled musicians struggling or just getting by while vulgar purveyors of social engineering are embraced by large audiences and paid accordingly? Why don't people demand excellence in music as they do in sports? It gets very difficult to continue producing beauty when it is nearly impossible to make a living at it. But I agree that conservatives must learn about the power of art and not use it in the way that the Marxist propagandists have, but in a way to present objective truths through beauty.
1:32 HOLD ON THERE, Drew...did YOU not write the WSJ article in praise of The Dark Knight? Why do you now forget that fact, and say Logan is "the ONLY superhero film that matters at all"...bringing up the article you wrote for THAT one? 🤔
2021 report on Statista: At least 53% of U.S. households had videogame consoles. A further 30% planned to purchase a video game console. This does not include smartphone or computer-based videogames. When you contend that "All of these Conservatives hate video games" you might be missing the details. When Grand Theft Auto has wonderful elements like murder, torture, cannibalism, sex, nudity, etc. Conservatives are not typically angry that kids slice fruits, Andrew. They just don't love the "art" of making gruesome death a joke. While I appreciate the arts, some "art" is not art, at all. It is an excuse to vomit the bile of evil intentions into the vessels of thought we call children. I'm more of a Conservo-Libertarian, so, I do not want the sludge outlawed, I just want an honest, well-informed perspective from a favored writer and commentator. That would be you.
This is exactly why conservatives will never understand the arts. The left didn't "take them over" - the arts tend to attract unconventional, rebellious people, and often introduce new ideas to the rest of us. If you can only view the arts from a narrow political (or religious) prospective, you are missing the point. I'd like Mr. Klavan to find ONE famous artist who everyone loved unconditionally. The nature of art is to challenge established views, which usually makes enemies. Especially with the right. (I wonder what Mr. Klavan thought of all those awful civil right protesters in the '60s.) He may also want to brush up on his history, because, until the truth became known, many imminent Americans had favorable views of socialism and communism in the 1930's, and in 1940's when the USSR was an essential ally in WWII.
Unfortunately - even though hope and faith are true foundations of progress, some are power hungry, patriotic to the point of being extremist and oppressive but one thing is that is still apparent - we have annihilation in our DNA - art and the love for music and other cultures is a comforting hope that maybe peace is possible though a different language 🙏🙏🙏🙏
These artists you're talking about were pretty obscure, Joan Baez and Pete Seeger. Most people today wouldn't even recognize their names. The truly big artists of the 50's and 60's were Elvis, The Beach Boys, the Beatles. I don't see any communists there. Bigger than all of them was and still is Sinatra.
Lol the right doesn’t make good art. On the topic of film- name one good film in this century that’s made by someone who isn’t leftist- excluding Clint Eastwood
Absolutely great podcast. 🙏 You are so right / insightful. The danger to us and our precious Judeo Christian / American Dream has been growing silently like a cancer for decades as the leftists / Fabians have permeated our airwaves / government / culture for generations. Now hope is reemerging thanks to courageous truth tellers / podcasters like you and great Americans like DJT.
Am I the only person on earth who can't stand Bob Dylan's music? All my life, I've been hearing about what a genius Dylan was, but I genuinely can't stand anything he was ever involved with.
Dylan was not radical. I grew up in Madison, Wis, univ town. Saw it. Makes sense Dylan didn'y didn't want to be social worker (he would not have known) I rhink Dylan and seeger went back to the US
I never liked Bob Dylan not because of his politics or the themes of his songs but because I think he has a terrible, nasally voice, and you can never understand the lyrics. One of the most overrated artists of all time.
2:40 what?! 🤦🏼♀️ Jeeeez, I want to listen and root for you but seriously! This shit is just annoying. And it turns regular normal people away. That is not a sensible thing to say. It’s just stupid.
I don't understand what's going on. Why is that kid in every movie, now. Wonka, Dune, Bob Dylan. He's not a great actor. Wasn't he one of those skinny, white beta males dating Kim or her sister or something silly? Also: does Bob have a major Right-wing following? I like some of his songs, and you can view them how you want, but he's a known liberal, and some of his lyrics are both anti-war and anti-Right from the 1960s.
Dylan was the prophetic embodiment of the spirit of the '60s, and when he realized that that spirit itself was phoney and told people as much, they didn't take it kindly
My Back Pages, he states he is backing away from songs explicitly promoting political views
This is one of my favorite topics. I love Klavan’s take. “Every form is an art form. And every art communicates something.” R.C. Sproul
Yes! I miss art. I miss music. I hope that America's recent rejection of leftism will lead it back towards an appreciation of beauty.
The Cambodian thing reminded me of something that infuriated me about Anthony Bourdain. He was in Cambodia and he goes off on this rant about he wants to put Henry Kissinger on trial for War Crimes. Meanwhile he’s sitting in mass grave that was filled by communist Pol Pot and he’s mad at a Republican who fought communism. New York foodies and New York folkies have a lot in common.
That's why the Chosen is so popular and poweful. It's the art of the writing, music, the cinematography, and the performances
But completely unbiblical 😢
Dylans ability to write was touched by God. One of the reasons his stuff has held up so well is because he refused to bend the knee to anyone's orthodoxy starting with the Communist agitators in the Village.
His John Birch Society Patanoid Blues is pure Soviet propaganda
Touched By God? Did he claim this?
Exactly! His lyrics naturally flow prophecy. In essence his words are ecclesiastical and Proverbs. The thing I like about how they filmed “A Complete Unknown” was he was adamant about making his music a product of the time. Seeger wanted him to stay in the folk music that celebrated the labor movement’s and he even wanted to move on from the 60’s era as well. Let art flow naturally and you become timeless like Bob Dylan.
"I step right in to the burning hell
Where the best known enemies of mankind dwell
Mr. Freud with his dreams, Mr. Marx with his ax
See the raw hide lash rip the skin from their backs"
Bob Dylan, My Own Version of You, 2019.
I’ll check it out 🙏
@@brownlettuce1810 Also has "Rubicon" on the same album.
2:31 ✋️ stop... I was present when Bobby Zimmerman was booed! Also watched Hendrix step out on stage and started playing something never played before. It shocked me when the crowd went completely nuts making Jimmy quit the tune. He said on mic, he was hoping to play a tune never heard, and the crowd booed again, much to my horror! So Jimmy lit into Purple Haze and the ignorant crowd were overjoyed! I couldn't believe we missed out on another history-in-the-making moment on film... a new Hendrix tune!?
Remember what the new tune was? Don't tell me you missed out on being the first to hear voodoo child
What a poorly written statement. Instead of trying to be hip and emphatic you ever think of writing clearly instead?
Jimmy Hendrix hated the role he was made to play on stage. He really wanted to play jazz guitar and leave all the theatrics behind him. No real musician would ever choose to light their instrument on fire anymore than they would choose to light their best friend on fire. Jimmy actually hated all that nonsense and it led to his depression and ultimate death.
Following a very spiritual experience Dylan became a Christian in the late 70’s.
“The preacher was talkin’, a sermon he gave
Saying ‘every man’s conscience is vial and depraved -
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it’s you who must keep it satisfied.’”
Yep. Very yep.
Title please 🙏 is it one of Dylan’s songs?
@ yep! “Man in the Long Black Coat” from his 1989 Album ‘Oh Mercy’ toward the end of his ‘born again’ era. Lots of good stuff from that period in his career - I recommend his outtakes on the Bootleg Vol. 3 album.
Vile. Vial is a glass tube. Sorry, I’m a spelling snob. I hate myself.
@ noted. but truth be told I was in the lab when I wrote this, where there are lots of vials lol
Not all anti war hippies of the 60s that made great music were communists. Some just felt that the war in Vietnam was dumb…..which it was.
The folk scene was filled with for real Communists who ran it and a number of fellow travelers who just went along. I did a deep dive into the scene, and its history in a misplaced nostalgia for it. The misplaced nostalgia didn't survive the reading.
@@TheAyeAye1 Ok, but the message of a lot of the anti war movement was correct to promote peace instead of offensive wars of aggression that destroyed the world and the United States of America. It’s the message that ultimately matters. People are complex and sometimes people with flawed and inherently evil ideologies are on the right side of history with certain issues. And again, many of them just wanted us to stop sending our boys overseas to die for a cause they didn’t even believe in and a government that discriminated against them. Which is a form of slavery and totalitarianism. The same kind of big government conservatives are supposed to be against ideally. But our world is far from ideal. Hence the Reagan, bush, Clinton years.
Always makes me laugh when people claim how much they love Reagan and then in the same breath preach freedom and small government. As if that’s what he stood for.
The war in Vietnam was one of many virtuous wars. Much more worth it than WWI.
@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 No. Absolutely not. The draft was unconstitutional. The war was illegal. And it wasn’t ours to be fighting to begin with. Also the civilian and military casualties were devastating.
There’s a reason that the war was the downfall of LBJs presidency. A war has to be pretty unpopular to bring down a United States president.
By the way during WW2, the United States supported Ho Chi Minh. Kind of like how the cia trained bin Ladin.
@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 You clearly have no understanding of the Vietnam war.
My Back Pages is probably my favorite Dylan song and it’s all about Dylan’s rejection of the 1960s protest movement and to abandon political songwriting.
and that is when everyone stopped listening to him
@@TommyLikeTomEr, except they didn't! Do you just say the first thing that comes to your 'mind'?
@@TommyLikeTomI think it’s when everyone started listening to him. Except you. 😂😂😂
Ive started playing that song live about 2 years ago. Very topical. I introduce it as: 'a song with a message. '
This song was written before he went electric. 1964.
Pete Seegar was a steady and swell fellow in his personal life. He was also a Communist party member who actively supported Stalin until Stalin's memory was denounced by Soviet leadership in the early Sixties. He kept supporting anti-American causes until his death and only managed a halfhearted statement that he got in wrong back in the day in the Nineties.
What a load of hooey.
Wow that Joan Baez song is indeed unselfconciously awful
Let's go electric! Nod, nod, wink, wink....
I think Elvis was also, most of all, an artist. When he could not sleep he would go downstairs to his studio and make music. I cannot believe Tom Hanks suggested in an interview (after he played Colonel Tom Parker in Elvis) suggested Elvis should have came out against the Vietnam War. I think Tom Hanks should worry more about the decline of art in our films. Focus on making art, is probably good advise for an artist.
Sonic 3 is an example of great art. No amount of Matt Walshes will convince me otherwise.
Eh I thought it was pretty bad.
Went to see Sonic 3 with son (35) and grandson (8) and while not a gamer nor did I see Sonic 1, or 2 I found the Shadow character so compelling - his story arc, that I really don’t care what else was ‘wrong’ with the story line (or Carrey who overacted in every scene ad nauseum) Wjoever they had playing the Shadow character played it ‘straight’ - no florid excesses with voice or mannerisms, just actually touching and sensitive. Blew me away.
You might like Jaws, Godfather, Field of Dreams, Dead Poets Society, The Lord of the Rings. Actual great movies from history. The Sonic movies are not good. Maybe by 2020s standards, they are pretty good.
Never judge a stone by the filth you found it in, and never mistake a pile of filth for a stone.
I know exactly what you mean about art and artists. In my youth I was close to artists all kinds of artists and it changed my life it gave direction to my life. I love all art I will go to museums art galleries at every opportunity. Plays, concerts, danse... Over the years I have purchased pieces of art but always directly from artists that I know, not necessarily intimately but I need to know whose work I'm buying. When I hear people complaining about subsidies for the arts I think I cannot imagine a World without art and neither should they.
lol you closed with supporting subsidies? No. We should not subsidize art. Any more than we should subsidize religion.
Successful artists should support the arts, not gov.
Subsidize is a nice way of saying you want the government to pay for things you like with another taxpayers money
@ things you don't like as well that's what it's like to live in a society
@@ginabisaillon2894 not a constitutional republic like ours. Read the founders and framers works. A country was not to have a government that paid for extras with tax money. It wasn't
I don’t think it’s fair to say they weren’t upset that he went electric. It was all wrapped up together. They believed he was not only rejecting their politics but conforming to mainstream taste in rock n roll. To them The Beatles were the equivalent of pop artists like Britney Spears. Meaningless fluff. Folk music married authentic musical tradition and a specific activist message. So it really was both.
It is true that Dylan was actively refusing to be their pawn. Which was shown in the film in his response to Seeger’s “teaspoon” lecture. And ultimately in his decision to deny Seeger his request and play electric that night. He realized they didn’t love HIM. they saw him as a pawn and a tool. And he went on to become a legend. Which never would have happened under their thumb.
The mindset of always trying to have an edge is satirized in LCD Soundsystem's "I'm losing my edge". Here's a section:
"I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars
I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know"
It just goes on and on like this.
Before he went Electric, Dylan released an album of folk songs where he didn't sing about political upheaval during the sixties. In one of the songs, My Back Pages, he actually rejected his former self for singing about the causes. And the album was criticized for not conforming to the counter-culture. It's fair to say that it was mostly about his indifference to their causes.
@@michaelindo4605 As an extension of this, Steve Jobs idolized Dylan. As a young man he'd type out and memorize Dylan lyrics. At one point trying to date Dylan's Ex even. I feel like Jobs was politically independent as he kept a lot of leftist agitprop off of the apple tv store while he was alive.
I'm an artist and I agree with your message. 👍👍👍
I love when you speak about the fine arts! It's 100% why I subscribed.
Fine arts? He's talking about Bob Dylan.
@@junglemoose2164 Bob Dylan was *fine* 😂
@ fine arts include music and theater, of which film is an extension.
For the most part, as long as it is done out of desire to create beauty, something that appeals to man, I count it as fine art.
Fine Arts? The Blue Collar American is working all day to barely make ends meet and you are worried about Fine Arts? This just shows Andrew Klavan is an elitist who never had to work a day in his life
Van Gough wrote in a letter to his brother that art should be an act of generosity. I don't like his paintings, but I can't argue with his philosophy.
The movie DOES begin I think within the first 2 minutes of Seeger IN COURT for this kinda stuff, AND Dylan not wanting to be part of the 'tribe' is also addressed, these are brief moments, watch it again
I always really enjoy Dru Klayven's ruminations on art.
This one in particular helped me grasp why Pete Seeger is so revered by Lefties even though he has always struck me as musically mediocre.
It's the same reason that the same people think Obama was a great president... it's strictly an "he's on our team" impulse
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, mediocre all right.
Asked if he could read music, Seeger replied, "Not enough to hurt me."
It shows in the banality of his songs.
What does "Art" have to do with the average American busting his ass off all day to barely make ends meet
Klavan, you’re a rare one. Memory that goes back more than five minutes. And to tell the truth to win instead of being cynical and lying like the Left. As far back as the 1920s and 1930s. Thank you so much.
I’ve thought this and talked about this for so long, and I’m so glad you brought it up. Given the way leftist act, it seems more plausible that they were booing him at Newport for turning his back on topical song material. And I bet it was organized.
It's all in Dylan's song: 'my back pages'.
There's a very interesting interview Dylan did with Ed Bradley on 60 minutes. Bradley asks him why at his age, he was still plugging away at it. Dylan responded that he's got to keep up his end of the bargain. Bradley asks "bargain with who?" Dylan responds with "You know, the Cheif Commander". This statement leads many to believe he sold his soul for fame and fortune.
nobody has cared about Bob Dylans music since he became Christian
Umm that's 40 plus years ago. Most people don't even know or care about that brief period in Dylan's life. But they do care about his music & songwriting
All sense of aesthetics died with the advent of socialism. That last socialist artist with any sense of beauty was William Morris. I miss the days when we didn't pretend that everything is art and everyone is an artist.
Well let me tell you, Sir: I was NOT ready! Not ready for you to play one of my least favorite songs by Joan Baez, "To Bobby"! 😅😅😅 As the number one fan of Joan here in France (I believe, anyway lol) I was hoping it would always remain in the depths of complete oblivion! 😅😅😅 But you must be a fan as well, else how on EARTH would you have heard about it? Aaah anyway, more seriously, I learned some from you tonight, including about the real reason why Dylan left the Folk scene! It all makes sense now... It's fascinating! THANK YOU!! ❤
Pete Seeger is the model for the communist artist who is so sweet and nice that people suspect nothing in his messages until it’s too late. They simply wake up one morning convinced that the state should own everything so they can distribute it “evenly”, until everyone is equally poor and starving. But I think Shakespeare nailed it, “That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.”
Thank you for saying all this out loud. I loved Dylans since finding it in the Seventies. My family were big PBS fans, so I romanticized the whole folk scene until actually looking into it and finding it was a, for real, Communist front. Indeed, there was one coffee house that catered to Trotskyites who weren't welcome in the other more ordinarily Communist places.
Thanks for the truth about the connection between folk music and communism.
Is there ever a time when you don't want to talk about culture?
Very well reasoned, Andrew. But part of the problem is also there is massive gatekeeping in the Arts… on both sides. In the comic book field, the offices are in big cities with big city values. If you don’t abide by them, you can’t get in the walled city. Creators in the field add you to a blacklist or allegedly throw you in as a topic a whisper network. Then Conservative outlets tend to be a bit insular and closed to outsiders (those who aren’t already working in the “conservative field”).
DW could hire comic book creators like myself and others and we could begin to make meaningful inroads to this massive, barely touched culture. (Imagine a Klavan / J. TOONS! collaboration…)
Just my $0.02.
Walsh for taking courageous stands on the issues.
Ben for politics
Klavan for the arts (new addition for me)
Knowles, a bit of all of the above, as only Knowles can do.
Only the elitists care about "Arts"
0:25-0:32 Thank you… Matt Walsh gets this wrong, Paul Washer gets this wrong. Barely a few seconds in and you have already made an excellent point.
1:35. Strongly disagree, Logan isn’t the only one. The Dark Knight was pretty well written. Even that trilogy has a whole explored the idea of what form of Justice reigns supreme.
Yeah people like Matt want to surrender the culture war, which is the same as surrendering everything. we can't win without winning the culture war.
Not to mention the first two Spider-Man movies
@@ead630 Especially with regard to the second, with Peter wrestling with the decision to remain as Spider-Man or quit. He is torn between what he sees as his duty and his own happiness.
It's wierd that Drew seems to forget TDK, since he wrote an iconic WSJ op-ed singing the film's praises.
He’s praised the dark knight as one of the best superhero movies so he probably just didn’t think of it
Joan Baez is awful. As a singer, as a songwriter, as an activist.
I disagree. Like the others, she was a commie idiot, but she COULD actually sing - which Hendrix, Dylan, the others never could.
The Child ballads were absolutely lovely. Her own work was terrible, yes.
Every human voice is different.
You can't possibly declare Joan Baez can sing, Dylan can't.
Apples, pears.
@@JensSchirnerDylan can’t sing??? He is the greatest American songwriter of all time. Doesn’t matter what his voice sounds like because his lyrics are literally that good.
Despite her music often being polluted by her stupid politics, she was indeed a great singer, had a really haunting voice
I would suggest that the superhero character of Wanda / Scarlet Witch is an incredibly important and very old story retold. Today it’s insightful in regards to our societies low birth rates and childless women.
Seeing art as a 'weapon" is sick.
I'm sorry Pete was not a good guy because I admired him so much when I was young and I remember my boyfriend bought me a ticket to his performance in Montreal and it was the highlight of my 20s.
My favorite Mangold movie is Ford v. Ferrari. I've re-watched it more times than I can count.
Art isn’t created to be political and when it becomes that it gets spoiled and Dylan saw that. He was a visionary and poet not a politician. Art is about the vertical pole of Being not about “having power” in the kingdoms of the world.
2:40 Sorry, but Timothy Chalamet is brilliant actor...not just 'good'. How would you like to be called 'good' when you are actually excellent?
I was mesmerized by the actress who played Pete Seeger's wife
I thought the movie implied that Pete Sieger was trying to turn Bob Dylan into a political stooge. Before the final show at the Newport Folk Festival, he tells Bob that they're "almost there" with their cultural shift.
I think you’re right, they were being subtle about the politics but it was there. When Sieger first brings Dylan to his house to spend the night, he tells his wife that Bob is a fellow traveler. And of course his girlfriend, Sylvie, was a total commie but he seems to just go through the motions because she has a lot of connections in the folk scene.
Im glad to see Edward Norton again ❤
Joan Baez wanted Bobby back for herself, really
Unfortunately the movie doesn’t totally broach the topic of how totally intolerant the “inclusive”, “tolerant” leftists were then and are now. Kudos to Bob Dylan for rejecting their rigid orthodoxy and not selling out and taking the bait to become their leftist poster boy. Dylan is one of the most misunderstood artists because people have allowed nonsense distractions to cloud the understanding of his true artistic vision. More than anything, he is and always been first and foremost a student of the American song book which he sees as the most true representation of the tapestry of American society and culture. All of his original compositions are rooted in this reverence for his predecessors and crafters of America’s song. When the people like Joan Baez and Pete Seeger and the whole generation of the Greenwich Village folk scene are long forgotten, the legacy of Dylan will live on as one of the greatest artists of all time.
Pete Seeger
Liam Clancy
I can't remember which others...
But somewhere there's an interview with Liam Clancy where he names himself a communist.
Klavan is a pimp of palaver.
👍🏻 just for the word 'palaver'.
I spent most of my life developing the skills necessary to create beauty through music. The goal was always beauty. it is very sad that art has been used and abused in such a sinister way as to use it to push a Godless and dehumanizing political agenda. Because of this, music (especially) has become an upside down pyramid that puts the least skilled at the top and the geniuses at the bottom. I am not a sports fan, but when I look at professional athletes, I ask myself; why can't it be like this in music? Why are the most skilled musicians struggling or just getting by while vulgar purveyors of social engineering are embraced by large audiences and paid accordingly? Why don't people demand excellence in music as they do in sports? It gets very difficult to continue producing beauty when it is nearly impossible to make a living at it. But I agree that conservatives must learn about the power of art and not use it in the way that the Marxist propagandists have, but in a way to present objective truths through beauty.
1:32 HOLD ON THERE, Drew...did YOU not write the WSJ article in praise of The Dark Knight? Why do you now forget that fact, and say Logan is "the ONLY superhero film that matters at all"...bringing up the article you wrote for THAT one? 🤔
Dark knight probably matters more in terms of cultural impact, as much as I agree Logan is also an exception in the genre
Love DARK NIGHT. ❤️ maybe he feels like I do??? It can't be placed in the genre as it smashes through and travels far beyond? I dunno 🤷♀️
@ he’s called it a superhero movie so I don’t think that’s it. Logan can be said to go beyond the genre too. I think he just wasn’t thinking of it
I gave this a thumbs up after reading the title alone, but this was well said. Keep following the Truth.
Hey Andrew! Season 3 of “Another Kingdom”isn’t working on the daily wire app! Please find a non DEI hire over there that can fix this issue!
The Timothée Chalamet roast caught me off guard 😂
Well, Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge only gained traction after the US' bombing campaign. The toughest most ruthless group still standing.
You can only do it by letting the harmonies and lyrics have. Normal ppl want normal harmonies and we want to sing in harmony
Dylan’s voice is perfect for his lyrics.
That's just a way of saying he's a lousy singer.
Look, you have to find the music on your side,the harmonies
Movies produced under tHe Hays code are some of the greatest ever made.
Ive been writing scritps of years, trying to do just what you are saying Mr. Klavan
2021 report on Statista: At least 53% of U.S. households had videogame consoles. A further 30% planned to purchase a video game console. This does not include smartphone or computer-based videogames.
When you contend that "All of these Conservatives hate video games" you might be missing the details.
When Grand Theft Auto has wonderful elements like murder, torture, cannibalism, sex, nudity, etc.
Conservatives are not typically angry that kids slice fruits, Andrew. They just don't love the "art" of making gruesome death a joke.
While I appreciate the arts, some "art" is not art, at all. It is an excuse to vomit the bile of evil intentions into the vessels of thought we call children.
I'm more of a Conservo-Libertarian, so, I do not want the sludge outlawed, I just want an honest, well-informed perspective from a favored writer and commentator. That would be you.
MAGA
Make Art Great Again!
Extremely well spoken
Great content, Mr Klaven. God bless and keep you. 😊
This is exactly why conservatives will never understand the arts. The left didn't "take them over" - the arts tend to attract unconventional, rebellious people, and often introduce new ideas to the rest of us. If you can only view the arts from a narrow political (or religious) prospective, you are missing the point. I'd like Mr. Klavan to find ONE famous artist who everyone loved unconditionally. The nature of art is to challenge established views, which usually makes enemies. Especially with the right. (I wonder what Mr. Klavan thought of all those awful civil right protesters in the '60s.) He may also want to brush up on his history, because, until the truth became known, many imminent Americans had favorable views of socialism and communism in the 1930's, and in 1940's when the USSR was an essential ally in WWII.
Mangold also directed the absolute worst Indiana Jones movie. Unforgivably bad. He has much to prove.
By the way: reading your book and loving it!!
Unfortunately - even though hope and faith are true foundations of progress, some are power hungry, patriotic to the point of being extremist and oppressive but one thing is that is still apparent - we have annihilation in our DNA - art and the love for music and other cultures is a comforting hope that maybe peace is possible though a different language 🙏🙏🙏🙏
These artists you're talking about were pretty obscure, Joan Baez and Pete Seeger. Most people today wouldn't even recognize their names. The truly big artists of the 50's and 60's were Elvis, The Beach Boys, the Beatles. I don't see any communists there. Bigger than all of them was and still is Sinatra.
Lol the right doesn’t make good art. On the topic of film- name one good film in this century that’s made by someone who isn’t leftist- excluding Clint Eastwood
Klavan, you have found the sons. You need to sing them. You have players.
We loved this movie so much!
Save that which you love.
Never heard that Baez song. Another reason why I never cared for her material
Wonderful speech, great, useful points : )
I cringe when I hear this verse being taken out of context
Absolutely great podcast. 🙏 You are so right / insightful. The danger to us and our precious Judeo Christian / American Dream has been growing silently like a cancer for decades as the leftists / Fabians have permeated our airwaves / government / culture for generations. Now hope is reemerging thanks to courageous truth tellers / podcasters like you and great Americans like DJT.
Excellent.
It was a good movie.
Am I the only person on earth who can't stand Bob Dylan's music? All my life, I've been hearing about what a genius Dylan was, but I genuinely can't stand anything he was ever involved with.
There's plenty of paupers on the planet you're not the only one.
Dylan was not radical. I grew up in Madison, Wis, univ town. Saw it. Makes sense Dylan didn'y didn't want to be social worker (he would not have known) I rhink Dylan and seeger went back to the US
Someone once told me that conservatives can never make great art. After listening to Klavan and others at the Daily Wire, I’m inclined to agree.
Stalin had a few flaws?
Not Andrew’s belief, he is referring to some else’s belief.
the protrayal of Seeger was not accurate. I knew him at that time. Totally KVD soviet stugies. Dylan was not woven in.
Tell the truth, even if it doesnt benefit you.
I never liked Bob Dylan not because of his politics or the themes of his songs but because I think he has a terrible, nasally voice, and you can never understand the lyrics. One of the most overrated artists of all time.
There are so many covers of his songs though and they show how fantastic he was at writing music
You can never understand the lyrics of any singer. How is Bob Dylan worse in that aspect than others?
Agree. He was a great songwriter but a terrible singer.
Sometimes when you don’t understand the lyrics, the song improves! Reved up like a douch* 😂
Odetta's cover of Tomorrow is a Long Time was pretty good.
2:40 what?! 🤦🏼♀️ Jeeeez, I want to listen and root for you but seriously! This shit is just annoying. And it turns regular normal people away. That is not a sensible thing to say. It’s just stupid.
Chalamet doesn't know who you are. He's never going to f*ck you. Calm down.
Dont get the hypothesis. Kind of paranoid
What left?
Commenting for RUclips
Quid est veritas ?
I don't understand what's going on. Why is that kid in every movie, now. Wonka, Dune, Bob Dylan. He's not a great actor. Wasn't he one of those skinny, white beta males dating Kim or her sister or something silly? Also: does Bob have a major Right-wing following? I like some of his songs, and you can view them how you want, but he's a known liberal, and some of his lyrics are both anti-war and anti-Right from the 1960s.
I am listening
FUND the arts
Yikes, that Boaz song is terrible...
‘Ol Bob is not the best singer around…..it’s tough to knock his songwriting though.
If Bob Dylan wanted to go electric he should have asked Hendrix's advice. The guy made Dylan songs his own afterall
That was afterwards. The Byrds made Dylan electric first. Way before Hendrix.
exactly the opposite is true
This has to be the lamest take I have ever seen.