ANC Vet League president Zikalala: Coalition with DA - sure. With EFF - absolutely no way.
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- South Africa will need all the cool heads it can access over the few months as the country moves towards the watershed 2024 National Election, where its long-time rulers are likely to lose their Parliamentary majority. One-time Robben Islander and former MD of News at the national broadcaster Dr Snuki Zikalala, weighs in with a hopeful message to counter those predicting chaos. Zikalala was this week re-elected president of the ANC Veteran’s League, which he explains is the most important of the movement’s three fundamental structures. In this powerful interview, Zikalala argues that popular opinion and even pundits like RW Johnson are wrong about the far-left EFF being the ANC’s “natural partner” - explaining why, post-2024, it would be impossible for the two parties to enter into a governing coalition. On the other hand, provided pre-conditions are met, he is confident a coalition between the ANC and the Democratic Alliance, the official opposition, would work in the national interest. Controversial within some quarters, but Zikalala has never been afraid of rocking the boat. His message offers an inside track into thinking within the ANC, and is sure to be welcomed by moderates hoping for a post-2024 turnaround in the country’s flagging fortunes. He spoke to Alec Hogg of BizNews.
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introductions
00:51 - Dr Snuki Zikalala on the importance of the Veteran's League within the ANC structures
02:56 - Dr Zikalala on how seriously the resolutions of the Vet League are taken
05:04 - On why the ANC will not form coalitions with the EFF
06:34 - On why the ANC is open to coalitions with the DA
07:33 - On the conflicting viewpoints within the ANC membership
08:59 - On the current coalitions the ANC has with the EFF
10:43 - How the Veteran's League views the internal power struggles within the ANC
11:22 - How the ANC Veteran's League see South Africa today
14:06 - On the National Democratic Revolution
15:32 - On the steps that need to be taken following the Zondo commission
16:36 - On whether the Veteran's League share the frustrations of the South African people, and the need to get South Africa back on track
21:03 - Concludes
His response to Alec's question, "How do we fix this?" was, "Fix what?" That is the ANC way, say the right thing but ignore doing the right thing when it comes to fixing it.
Agree. All talk and no action
Almost seems like the majority of them think that things are really not so bad....mind-boggling, the standard must be almost at ground level.
Fantastic interview! Zikalala nearly had me vote for the ANC, until this. All lies!
If this guy represents the "most experienced cadre". Then I can only say South Africans are hoping against hope.
All this experience and good words. But no action. All electioneering talk. Like Joey in Freinds said... All MOOOOOOOO talk.
@@IamKnowbodie haha..., too much mooing
@@jameskillu9171 mooooooooo 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮 🐄 🐮
The way the ANC talks it always sounds like they arent in goverment. Like they telling someone else what to do to run the country. Like an opposition party blaming the governing party. Its crazy
Agree. This guy needs a mirror in his house.
Yeah like: "If only we could stop those crooks!"
Uh, yes! Just stop being "those crooks" for a start.
They have DA support, why should they care
He talks about the eff in the EXACT grammar as the rest of SA talk about the anc….
😂
A strong & prosperous South Africa depends on the Unity of the diverse sectors of its society. In the 3 decades, the ANC as a governing party worked faithfully in dividing than uniting our nation. So it should not feature in the new government to be formed. Let the coalition of current opposition parties form a government, as the ANC is pushed into the opposition benches. The ANC created most of our problems so they can't provide solutions.
unity is strength
Hats off to you Sir
Precisely but we need to remember that the EFFluence is by far enemy number one even though the inEFFectives have very few supporters because they are noisy and through their noise they are globally influential. If the ANCommunists begin to oppose communism and oppose the EFFluence, then they can partner up with the DA.
Thanx 2 u Mr Zikalala n ur African National Criminals cos voters like me passionately hate ur organisation
Talking nonsense ,the EFF believes in good governance. In Ekurhuleni, the ANC is finding it difficult to loot, the EFF is watching them like an eagle. I have never heard of a so-called ANC political activist praising the DA. What skills does the DA have in governance, self doubt, Sies!!
Snuki Zikalala was also the CEO of the SABC who blacklisted certain individuals from being interviewed, resulting in the expulsion of John Perlman
The DA and minority political parties cannot EVER forget what the BARBARIC anc cadres have done to our potentially world leading beautiful country. South African should be what Nelson Mandela envisioned… a united rainbow nation. Hopefully, with the anc gone, we can still achieve that status. Viva South Africa viva……
World Leading ? In the 3rd world ? It’s laughable 😂😂😂 our biggest problem is that a lot of Caucasians in SA haven’t woken up to the fact that this is Africa and we are deep in the 3rd world. The sooner they wake up to that realisation, the happier they will be and the less chest pains they will have.
If the DA can ofload itself from being a racist organization and start treating other racial groups equally and affording them equal economic opportunities as envisaged in the constitution of this country, then positively so, they will receive votes from all corners of this country.At the moment they are playing mind games.
FFF is winning on its own, let corrupt ANC and DA form a coalition of loosers and desperados
Mandela??? What a joke. S.A should be what Steve Hofmeyer envisioned to be
@@oks6079 your mentality is what causes the problems. If your think 3rd world you will believe it and do it. Some history... What would you say if I were to tell you our ZAR was once stronger the Sterling and USD? We had numerous firsts. Why? Because we stood on our own. Same as Israel. In today's world and time S.A. will never progress and or become rellevent not unless they become fully independent from the west and the communists. No... Me think you want S.A. to be 3rd world because you cannot adapt to 1st world thinking. You do not need to be pro Euro or US to think 1st world.
Madala really hates the EFF, eish no peace and understanding with the old folks😂😂😂
Alec, you are very patient with a stooge whom you can’t believe a word he says.
He says the DA doesnt believe in transformation. This is not true, the DA just doesnt believe in transformation the way the ANC is doing it. The ANC cant accept that they have failed or admit that there are better ways of achieving the goals that they havent been able to achieve.
Veterans’ League … membership depends on how strongly they live in the past…. what a joke!!!
Stomach politics from the ANC now😂😂
You are only allowed to eat if you an ANC member.
6 minutes of this is enough for me. Go back to sleep old man
We should do this,we must do that but nothing ever gets done,same story since 1994,only difference is that it’s worse than what it was.
Snuki: "We had ten years where the *counter revolutionaries were destroying the country.* "
*The rest of South Africa:* "Yes, it was *your party responsible for that.* So what are you saying about your party?"
naaah almost 30 years
He speaks with a forked tongue ...
No thanks we done with ANC rules only apply to some people
DA alone will not win the election in this country and is a fact. if you say no you give EFF a chance. My worry though with working with DA is the issue of BRICS .DA is pro Western and NATO.
Can the ANC amend it's constitution in appointing the president of the country. He must based on merits not on political involvement.
@@cynthiaanyauche3519 nope 👎🏻 ANC is for them self not for you or me or the people.
This guy is so funny. Straight out of the ANC playbook 19:35 "That is why *they* captured SARS".
If only he could own up to the fact... on who the *_they,_* he speaks of, are: "That is why *we (the ANC)* captured SARS", (or at least tried to).
As always we have the ANC blaming other people for their failures... when they are exactly those *other people* !
The Bible says "Young men see visions and old men dream dreams" Zikalela is a dreamer. Lovely dreams no action.
Alec was way too soft on this guy. He’s supposed to be a tough old guy who survived the fight for freedom. Where has he and his fellow vets been for the last couple of decades???
Sitting at home doing podcasts
Tsek ANC
Snuki is sober!He understand politics and how government should operate!You cannot be in coalition with parties that sabotages you!
In all honesty. #VoetsekANC
Business put R2trillion on the table ? Oh wow, the feeding trough has been topped up.
The ANC should go back underground and preferably stay there.
The ANC he is talking about, exists on paper only. They have long lost control over large parts of the country. Tshwane is a mess, and the extent of power of the Zama Zama's (50 000) is quite frightening. They are a power on their own, SAPS too scared to touch them.
Coalition with the DA is a good idea. Provided the DA gets the important cabinet posts like finance, public enterprises, safety and security etc. Not departments like sport etc...oh and DA must demand a deputy president post as well.
your very funny DA now wants to negotiate positions ? This veteran is talking nonsense ANC said they not talk about coalition will go for smaller parties who wont demand positions
@@tebellorankadiwhy would the smaller parties don't want positions...
@@derosime who would give cope or UDM deputy presidency ??
Should DA get more than ANC you think they will give Ramaphosa deputy presidency ?? It doesn’t make sense for you to give a rivalry a second in command
.....then you they will never dislodge the ANC from power.
First of all,Anc doesn't believe in consequences management,economic policies are different because Anc believe in state lead mixed economy whereas DA believe in free market economy with little state involvement. DA believe in rule of law whereas Anc believe in getting away with murder,shielding of implicated person. DA believe in professionalizing of public administration whereas Anc believe in politicization of public administration through cadre deployment in SOEs,entities and public administration. Parties that can work together with DA are IFP and ActionSA because they have a lot in common. By the way when it comes foreign policies DA and Anc have differences.
Wow, where was this lot for the last 10 years and now, absolutely did nothing as the country is looted. What are they doing now, still nothing.
Coalition with DA is best option. They have skills to improve services to citizens like in WC. And yes Dr Zikalala you are spot on about the EFF. They have no respect for the Constitution or general rule of law. A coalition with them will be a disaster.
They don't respect the rule of law according to critics bcos they don't sleep on duty and also they are more about accountability while ANC is the opposite
Is the anc respecting rule of law?
U are talkung kak. Anc failed nationally...DA only cares for cape town while townships are neglected. Just say u hate eff for no reason.
Allot said, and it sounds great. But nothing is happening. The ANC is not creating jobs. That in itself could solve many problems. We have the money for projects, why are there so little?
Zikalala has no say in ANC. The decision maker, king maker is Gwende.
He speaks well and says the right things. I do have my doubts about his authority and the league's authority in today's ANC. The ANC and the country for that place would be in a better place if they had.
Its a genuine privilege listening to Dr Zikalala - I have immense respect for the generation of party leaders who endured and overcame when things were at there worst. The EFF must remember South Africa was liberated by the ANC not the EFF - the opportunity for a crazed revolution has come and gone and the issues that are paramount in 2023 are service delivery, uplifting people, respecting the law and applying the constitution, not racism and genocide. The EFF may pretend to value the first 2 but not the last 2.......they can only bring negativity to the table and Malema's "messiah" complex is utterly self indulgent. Does the EFF really think they can run the country better than the oldest political party in Africa ? A party that defeated the colonialism of Anglo American and the oppression of the National Party - does Malema really believe his own private vendetta against the ANC is correctly & justly rooted (?) because that is the REAL reason he created the EFF. South Africa needs everyone to WORK TOGETHER with the best upstanding intentions............we need those old ANC values & morals Dr Zikalala talks about !
@HyltonSwemmer4824 .
So how do you explain the current violence with taxis and commuters .
Evidently it is explained by some bun and coke (joke) act being promulgated to impound unroadworthy taxi's
Take some cement Mr Swemmer and harden up .
Be aware that in the old Road Traffic Ordinance 21/1966 any vehicle requiring a carrier permit , was forfeit to the state after the third offence .
Whether defective brakes , smooth tyres , smoking exhaust , defective lights etc etc .Upon a 3rd offence , good night nurse .
Forfeited to the state and crushed to crumpled metal .
Strictly enforced by white transportation board officers , nogal armed with Uzi's
ANC values 🤯. Arms deals, AIDS, Chancellor House deals for Kusile & Medupi, Life Esidimeni, marikana assassinations, COVID Lockdowns and corruption and in-fact in every fu€Ken municipality FFS!
@@patrickbrianpereira7974 what does this comment have to do with mine Pat ?
Lost the touch.
Mr Zlkalala the taste of the pudding is in the eating!
The DA must become more progressive and less racist.If it wants to be a option for the millions of possible dissolution ANC voter's.I cannot see the DA makes these changes.
The DA can’t become less racist by becoming more racist. Helen Zille pushed hard for reform, backing various black potential future leaders and they all end up leaving. There’s just no fast way to the top. Anyone can join the DA and get involved at a young age. Luckily the DA has invested for over 15 years in growing it’s diverse young leaders program, which started reaping results. Not DA leaders, but in a few years for sure.
@@MoreThanRuan Do you know that the City of Cape Town under Mayor Geordin Hill Lewis is spending 75% of its budget to uplift and build infrastructure in previously disadvantaged areas of the City such as Khayalitsha?
Mr Zikkialala l hear what the Veterans League stand for, but what has transpired since the bumping of Thabo Mbeki in 2008 with the governing and rule of law in the country, Your Veterans leadership has failed later President Mandela and President Mbeki vision for a reconciled country for all, BEE, State capture and the list goes on, after bumping President Mbeki out of the way it was and still is a free for all, l can only think of the Billion's that have been stolen for a better word, the great diffrance it would have made to the people if only the ANC stuck to there founding value which the party was based on way back in 1912 in Bloemfontein, l guess it's time for a new chapter, a new beginning, as when one fails give another a chance! God bless Africa / Nkosi Sikelel I Afrika 🕊🛐
Thankyou Dr & Vets for coming to the rescue,for many years you have fought the fight just to see your sacrifices goes down the drain .
He says the fight corruption. Really now ??? Are u a fool or what?
Very insightful conversation. Good work.
It's good to hear from the ANC's Chairman of Veterans League. Hey, it's such a marvel to hear them talk like that after thirty years of structural decay in South Africa. I cannot tell you which country are they servicing, honestly I have no idea. I would have loved to hear him talking about the country(South Africa) than the ANC. The country is in dire straits but these people keep talking about themselves. Their organisation is one of the political parties in this country, they are not South Africa themselves. Is this the mindset that drives them to sell this country to foreign nationals than to look after it. What could be his response to I'll-treatment meted against whistle blowers regarding state of affairs in their administration in every department. After all EFF is their offspring. Tell me your friends, I will tell you your future. That storm is over Sir, we're talking saving the country today. Tell us about your role in there. South Africans need their country back. That is the command today no songs. Pleasure Sir.
This ANCV has a BIG head for nothing. What is the lost 10 years is he talking about?
Seems like a good guy who really believes in what they were doing. Shame that so many members after him just didn't have the capacity to think alongside him.
Yeah, he does seem nice, but he's far from sensible. Listen to the way he talks about what the rest of us call "state capture"... he calls it counter-revolution. He doesn't see those people as opportunists who were using the ANC's grip on power to enrich themselves, instead he sees them as infiltrators who were trying to harm the ANC. Look at the way he talks about the virtues of the the National Democratic Revolution, or the way he praises cadre deployment, only finding fault with the quality of the cadres that were deployed.
I'm afraid the problem is not that there aren't enough that think the way he does... I think it's quite the opposite. The party is full of people who share his ideology and utopian delusions, and they are so blinded by their misguided faith in it, that they can't see that it's those very ideas and beliefs that have gotten us into this mess in the first place.
Good guy?
Why hasn't Dr Snuki Zikalala and the ANC Veteran's League already held hearings of misconduct and kicked the member who are accused of corruption, fraud and steeling from the state out of the ANC and cleaned house? Why is Dr Snuki Zikalala and the ANC Veteran's League sitting back and waiting for the dismantled justice system to act when they know it does not have the skills and or resources to act before they do something?
Umthengisi umbuka nje lomdala ,when we were growing up we had only high praises for ama guerilla only if we knew we were celebrating cowards
It seems like Snuki Zikalala has been living under the rock. Anc and EFF have been working together comfortably in Gauteng to remove multi parties coalitions who were controlling Ekhurleni and Johannesburg,and also in Nelson Mandela metro municipality. Snuki never complain publicly about it. There's a reason why multi parties coalitions partners especially DA doesn't want to form coalition with EFF because it is unreliable just like Patriotic Alliance. So hard luck,your comrades chose to work with EFF and khethile khethile.
Don't confuse mere matters of administration with national politics. We talking national politics here not kindergarten matters you talking about.
With age comes wisdom. Sometimes.
Excellent
The Rupperts will not allow them to get into coalition with the party that they don't have control over..😂😂😂😂
Wasn't this oke an SABC sports journalist . I don't trust this one as far as I can throw him .
Someone in the ANC MUST EAT
Bt this madala is stupid. Anc is in government now way are they not doing all tht he is say and wait for colliation wth DA.
Liberation Movements Must Fall starting here in SataFrika
This guy represents the ANC Party that are accused no 1 in the State Capture disaster and he goes on and on about the rule of Law, ? What a sick joke!
Suki what are your achievements??
They (Anc) say so now, if only they were more credible.
ANC sitting on top doing nothing we want eff now
This Snuki zikalala useless useless useless this one. Eff is far far ahead of this one
it would be good if we could see his eyes.
So good to hear your positive approach Dr Zikilala...we need more people like you combined with all the other politicians from the spectrum to help us pick up the pieces and begin the rebuilding of our beautiful country! 🙏😊❤
His answer to Alec's question about the NDR wasn't good enough. Anthea Jeffrey understands the NDR and its intentions far better than he does.
ANC veteran who believes its better to be in bed with the enemy🤔 Snuki ngu Mdlwembhe
The ANCommunist government needs to prove that it truly stands against the inEFFective EFFluence and agrees with the DA.
Opposition parties must put away differences , come together and dislodge the ANC from all positions. If they continue to be selective on who they want on their coalitions, the ANC will continue to be in power. The DA should stop this illusion that they can remove the ANC with their minority partners without the EFF. If the DA prefers the ANC, that will be the end of DA, mark my word!!!
We need to be honest..not that it's something that has no been discussed in the Federal hallways that DA will have no choice but to do a coalition with the ANC..either have no choice..That's democracy for you.. actually I think they have come to an agreement already..it's just that we common people are not aware of it
I agree DA and ANC are very matured parties and not childish- they will take our country forward- EFF very deeply full and controlled by one person- I say no too to that coalition-
And ZUMA.....UNTOUCHABLE
I can't believe what I'm hearing
Talk is cheap, but money buys the whiskey + we all know the purse is so threadbare, it's like a sieve - money just falls right through it into all sorts of dubious accounts.
The triparthd alliance is the forunner of the coalition principle - so if a party to such a alliance strikes against the rest of it, it should tell us something. But in sunny SA it is just another day in weird + wonderful paradise.
Personal issues can be resolved in no time - just flash some notes. Mbeki got dumped that way, CR 17 says that's how zooma got the boot, so did ADR.
Law enforcement these more often than not starts off as publicity events. Expecting positive outcomes from the Zondo Comm, is another pipedream. The zondo commission will be of historical value - chances that it will add anything to joe doe's life are minus nil.
What ever this county will try to do to get solutions for South Africa unless we change the mindset when we vote , not voting emotional but vote with clear mindset ,as Zikalala said yes South Africans to solve this problems the country has to work together all parties must work together for the benefit of people of South Africa not to try score political points I think though we have too many political parties which some of them they do not add any value to the progress of the country only making a lot of noise with no helping any cause of action.
Lmao not this old man😂😂
Alice in Wonderland-I take my hat off to you Alec, very diplomatic.
Eff is very divisive. ANC must not give it a platform
who wrote his answers?
Obviously, he still has a functional brain. A rare quality these days.
White man.
After stealing the country, the good old folks would like 49/50 of the oncoming gains immediately dispersed...there is no capitalist country who would even look at them, plus R the biggest African leader in the book won't sell his raw product, indeed only " processed"..
a snotvel
Cant help but think Snuki is playing politics, smoke and mirrors regarding its EFF coalitions
It is a LOST T H I R T Y YEARS FFS
The ANC and DA both have experienced in governing a country or a province. Now we don't speak about Good or Bad just governing. We are not ready for Instability and great uncertainty as most of these other African countries are facing. We are already crippling or battling with unemployment, high crime rates, corruption and loadshedding and basic services delivery issues. We don't have time for SMALL POLITICS and silly comments of youngsters who are just there to fill their own pockets. E.g. We are not supporting the Springboks it's a racist logo and colour, we support rugby but not the Springboks. Let's put the people first in the name of the almighty and join hands. I really think the time of One Party ruling this beautiful country is Over. It's time for coalition governments and the time is now let change this country for the best. The ANC is looking for a partner who have moral ethics and integrity, respect the rule of law and know how to govern and putting the people first. That big brother is the DA and its moonshot partners. The DA is running the Western Cape SUCCESSFULLY and it looks like you enter another country if you enter the Western Cape or CA. I believe the ANC and DA can take this country from strength to strength and from power to power. If we don't do that there will be alot of policy shift and unnecessary uncertainty and madness in this country. The thiefs is also there to loot as they have loot the VBS bank and fill their own pockets. Pensioners will sit WITHOUT a pension. BE Careful for these Boys. Rather the devil's you know than the devil you don't know. Amandla for Cyril Ramaphosa and John Steenhuisen. Cyril for president and John for one of his Deputies with Herman Mashaba as the minister in the presidency.
THE DA GOING TO WORK WITH THE ANC😂😂😂..DA SAY THEY WILL NEVER WORK WITH THE ANC..
They can work well 2gether as they both hates d poor
I like how people say the ANC has done nothing right for 30 years… they took an embargoed, dying economy and brought solid economic growth for 12 years.. they brought mass amounts of international investment to SA. They prevented SA from entering a bloody civil war. There were wonderful minds within the ANC. They’ve all been pushed out, died or retired. The ANC of today is not even a shadow of its former self. Quite a tragedy, but the same thing seems to happen to most liberation movements turned government.
Afrikaner capitalism left the country with dust roads, small town wenkels, extremely underdeveloped Africans etc...today we have world class road networks, malls in every corner, black middle class own homes, better clothed, brought consumer products that were not here b4
D African National Criminals had totally messed up our lives unless u gt a tender o safely employed especially by d government
Looks like Snooki is actually halfway in another party, sort of like the "old" ANC when Madiba was around, but he seems confused and contradictory much of the time. Wants a whole bunch of good things but there's precious little in the ANC to give it substance. They really are a 3rd grade political party.
Savelelwa imiphuphe yamakhehla ka ANC,
Why not joining DA bcos you seemed to be blinded by love of the DA
You're time is up bra
What kind of disciplinary are you talking about, you shielded Ramaphosa at all costs
MR zikalala is behaving like mbalula ,wich evidence that can show us that eff is not obey the rules of law ......u are sellout
My thoughts exactly. He gave no examples despite his wild allegations. Confusing the character of the EFF for breaking the law is extremely lazy and an insult to us viewers. He must substantiate his views if he wants us to take him seriously
Slowly CIA/MI5 trained agents coming out. They were trained to infiltrate ANC.
If they had so much pull then why is the cANCer so corupt and messed up?😂
Jacob Zuma must go over to the IFP, to boost the Zulu nation
snuki zikalala... DA iz National Party
Non racialism ? 😂 Laughable.
Everything he said is not respected by the EFF is also not respected by the ANC. Whatever...
DA will consume try it
Eff doesnt believe in good governance? Where did they do wrong? Also if they did...is the anc the right party to even say anything in that regard? This madala is talking kak. They know eff is unsitting them.
We will vote with your DA friends to unseat your ANC. Talking nonsense, what gives you gust to say the EFF does not believe in the rule of law, please name a few incidents where the EFF has not respected the law.
All the time
They are under the cloud of leadership that believe that fixing potholes feeds families, what a joke. EFF talks economic transformation and promotes uncomfortable strategies to those who are enjoying South Africa in its current state. Potholes patching benefits those with cars. People in villages drive on continuously bumpy gravel roads.
This Snuki is being used by Oppenheimers. Not all ANC members agree with his narrow approach.
😂😂😂hee this guy, you just said DA is racist and doesnt believe in transformation but yet you are willing to work with them. Eff on the other hand they dont respect the laws. Eff made public to unsit the ANC and DA willing to the same, they declared that. #doublestandard.
This is the FIRST anc supporter that I have ever heard, stating the obvious….. he sounds educated.
Bububhanxa obu
Snuki is hungry veteran of the prisoners party of the anc😂ready and willing to sell out blacks
What a load of rubbish from Zikalala. 👎
ANC and DA these days same WhatsApp group. I wouldn’t be surprised especially from Snuki.