"Only Cowards Wear Armor" "This Coward Is About To Kill You, Sir" Barristan The Badass
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“This coward is about to kill you, ser”
-Barristan the Cold
That just made him a competent coward.
@@alejandrove3589then I guess every single soldier, in every single war, is a coward.
@@alejandrove3589 thats shows him to be not delusional and idealisting enouph to disadvantage himself and shows his realist and rational mindset
@@alejandrove3589 This is Game of Thrones. Those who value bravery over common sense don't last very long.
@@irrevenant8724removing your armour is not bravery it's stupidity and no sane person would argue otherwise.
Barristan is a Super Soldier.
This time i agree
@@BloodRaven175ACnever thought I would see these two agree on something
It's nice to see Bloodraven & Bittersteel agree on something lol 😆
Why aren’t you beneath the gold?
@ezdub5762 That's the secret i'm actually just a talking golden skull.
"This is no sport, son. This is war. Be unprepared, be defeated."
I like that quote. Where's it from?
@@Artemis-jr3pz Omar al-Bashir, wanted by the ICC for war crimes.
@@Artemis-jr3pzI’d also like to know
Same
👌
Barristan is still a legend well into his old age. I hated how they killed him off in the show especially since he had multiple chapters they just did not do
The actor was pretty upset about it too
There were consistently at least 6 different storylines to follow each episode. They absolutely could not cram into the show every small plotline that was in the books.
@@leeham6230 sure they could have...... More episodes
They had enough money to make it till season 12 if they wanted. More plots could make them reach billions. If it wasn't for Star Wars and if George was more critical we would have a very decent story.
With what they did to Dany it'd be a disgrace to let Barristan witness that, he'd look bad if he stayed loyal to Dany and IMO look worse if he went turncloak a 3rd time and became part of Bran's Kingsguard.
Only fools don't wear armor when they can.
Spoken like a bodyguard warrior who dies without wearing armor
@@whichDude what
Well there are downsides. Especially when considering the loss in mobility.
And no I am not saying knights are immobile. I am saying look at what happened when men at arms got replaced by reiters and demi lancers and when cuirassirs abbandoned 3/4 armor because shit got twice the weight of earlier knight armor.
Yeah, when guns get involved, the diminishing returns became increasingly extreme. But for any other situation, the returns just far outweigh the benefits unless you’re dealing with extreme super close quarters fighting, extreme heat, or terrain.
But honestly, the biggest boon of armor isn’t just protection, but confidence. When you’re clad in armor, you can suppress your fear of getting gutted like a fish way easier than naked, and it allows you to fight better, as you can focus on technique over wild slashing.
ok coward, go cry
"you dont fight with honor!"
"No. He did."
“Your dancing master is dead and Meryn Trant is alive… because Trant had armor… and a big fking sword.”
@@adamfrank5183it's Teryn Mant
I get what you’re saying, similar outcomes in these situations. But let’s not say Ser Barristan the Bold, one of the greatest knights in the history of Westeros, was without honor. He may be the most honorable man in the show behind Ned Stark.
And like 90% of games and tv shows seem to think that swords cut straight through plate armour
It’s been sometime since I’ve seen someone make this comment for the subject matter…and it’s 100% true! The fact is, plate armor (European or Asian) was specifically designed to legit protect and deflect from edge weapon attacks/strikes that would go straight through an un-armored opponent, among other design purposes. And yet, it’s like ppl keep letting it spread that “oh yeah I can just run you through” with a direct sword attack, on plated armor, and just win-- somehow… I guess by magic, which, isn’t too far off it the fictional world’s lore supports it-- most don’t lmao
The real shame comes from the first season, when Jorah wears armor while fighting a Dothraki soldier. His armor basically wins him the fight, but it later seasons, that realism is thrown aside.
@@gdept88 yeah. I remember the part in the book where he gets told to put on his armor (which takes a while) way before the fighting starts. so he was prepared and won because of it
😂😂😂Yeah it takes more than that to get through plate armor enough to do any damage.
Realistic full-plate armor is so overpowered that it negates the usual flashy fencing choreography that can be seen in unarmored fights, and forces opponents to switch fencing styles or weapons. I don't think there's a lot of fantasy where plate armor is respected enough as to truly force everyone to use anti armor weapons (pikes and other polearms, maces, war hammers, thrusting swords and daggers, heavy crossbows) and fighting styles with full-plate armor in mind. That would usually look a lot less impressive
Barristan won because he had armour, and a big fucking sword.
And because he was just way more skilled and experienced
And the moral of the story is, have armour and a big fucking sword.
Experience and skill are the reasons he wore armor.
Ser B's fight I.Q was superior as well. It's an excellent POV chapter in the book.
Sounds like something the hound says. "A BIG FUCKING SWORD."
"We are not in the pit."
Barristan the chad.
He also releases the dragons and uses Dany’s silver horse to lead a surprise charge on the slaver army outside the city gates. Man has a big set of Valyrian steel balls.
@@Bendover-r8x He was too busy stuffing them down your father's throat.
He did. Alongside good armor.
The last book ended at the night before that day, the fight will be in the next book@@Bendover-r8x
He doesn’t release the dragons though?
@@leadfaun he did in the earlier chapters of WoW in hopes they'll attack the Ghiscari army.
"Beware of the old man in a profession where men die young"
That's a good line
overused
@@FearScared doesn't make it untrue, now, does it?
@@FearScared ya but it fits Barristan so well
@@FearScared It's used so much because of how true it is.
Pit fighter: I would have defeated you if you fought fairly!
Barristan: Not incentive for me to fight fairly now isnt it?
wasn't that Bron who said that?
@@alexbeardsley751 not sure. I was praphrasing Jack Sparrow haha
@@KoOkiEzRoCkz ahhh, I get yah know. Bron might have said something similar one way or another considering his character.
"Now as long as season 8 is just hanging there, lets talk...."
@alexbeardsley751
Kind of, Bron said "he did" when told he doesn't fight with honour after a 1v1 to the death.
They did him so dirty in the show.
yeah cus the actor stood up to them
@@Henbot Actor: Hey my character does way more stuff in the books, could we add some more source material to our scripts?
D&D: So you have chosen... Death.
they did everything dirty in the show
@@narxes but Barristan especially, cause the actor was super class about voicing his concerns. Wrote a formal letter and the response he got was that Dumb and Dumber wanted to kill him off even more.
Medieval people wore armor for same reason we still use tanks. :D
Not at all the same thing. In real life heavy armor was rarely used and by the time full plate even became a thing it was only semi viable for 200 years max
Not using armor is just dumb.
@@jeambeam3173 200 years is pretty neat already. if you look at the development of an aeroplane you notice that we went from barely touching ground in 1908 for 30m to something that can go over mach 2 or a continent by 1980 :)
@jeambeam3173 Before full plate, there was mail, scale, gambersons and other cloth armours, all sorts of variations of helmets. Partial plate goes as far back as the bronze age. And personal armour is still used today in the form of ceramic plates and kevlar. Armour has been, and likely always will be viable.
Either way, the principle is still the same, stick metal or another material between you and the enemy. There's a reason tanks are often simply referred to as armour.
@@jeambeam3173 ... honestly where did you get this info from? ... You ever heard of the french gendarme? The germanic full plate knights with Zweihanders? .... "In real life heavy armor was rarely used" ... Some battles were won by exactly that... better armor. A helmet was the MOST essential thing on the battlefield.
The worst thing my son did was dismissing Ser Barristen. That's when I knew he is no son of mine. ( That and his cowardice)
Yes but now he’s free to join with Dany
It was the queen who put forth the notion, your grace.
And he is not even your son by blood
People that do this are weird
@@tonysmith5566 That Targaryen girl is doing nothing but wasting and ignoring the fair and wise advice of ser Barristen. The best thing she did was hoping on that dragon, that led ser barristen to seize Hizdahr.
For me the main turning point for the shows downfall was when and how they killed Selmy.
So many things the show did wrong from the books killing ser barristan to a bunch of nobodies was wack. I get the "shock value" but he was danys ear of reason. It would have made better politics. Idk how true this is but I don't think DnD writers liked barrister and stannis's actor
@@iianmitchelldub it does play a part. Look at how Bonnie was done on TVD.
Wiener Wiener Wiener Party.....
How awesome would it have been if Barrristan wore his armor here to save Greyworm. Smh
See, that would have made sense.
@mrdarkstar3756 yeah why didn't he have armor again?
It pissed me off how in the show they suddenly forgot about how effective armour was, especially against easterners who wore littler armour and used curved swords. Like at the begining Jorah Mormont stated how effective it was and proved it when he killed the blood rider, but then all of a sudden when it reaches season 7 you have dothraki cutting through Lannisters like they were butter. Sooo annoying.
Guess you could explain it away that Jorahs armor is better quality. He was a lord and a night before he fled Westeros. Meanwhile the Lannisters we see getting cut down are mostly levies. IE farmers and other regular people with minimal training. They arent going to have amazing armor
@@DevinEMILE Fair point.
The books kinda made it clear that even when armored, Westerosi knights would lose a fight against a Dothraki riding a horse
Even in the show there's a conversation in which Robert talks about how screwed they would have been if Khal Drogo and his khalasar ever attacked Westeros. That battle was Robert's greatest fear
In that battle at least it made sense imo
"You see those warriors from Hammerfell ? They’ve got curved swords. Curved. Swords."
@@no_one_cares_bozo Nah still kinda dumb. Spear walls would shut that down real quick. Their horses would be small. They would have to be to survive their environment. Combine smaller horse breeds with lightly armored riders, and use them like you would heavy cavalry is just stupid. I get it, Martin took the Mongols as inspiration, but removed the one thing that made the Mongols so terrifying. The bow. The bow would be the only thing that would make the Dothraki and actual threat to heavy armored infantry primarily armed with spears.
Yup. Armour works.
Kinda weird in the tv series that armour doesn't seem to be much more effective than butter, and we frequently see characters wearing full plate armor getting stabbed.
Which is impossible.
You either get in-between the plate s,.... Or you broke or dulled your knife. Your correct folks AINT breaking thru steel
Dawn and Valerian Steel were the only things I saw go through plate in the show.
Oberyns spear did through the mountains "Extra heavy plates only he could wear"
But maybe he had Valyrian steel spears, who knows.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I honestly didn't see where it hit... I just figured it was between plates. But it could have been Valyrian steel.
@@Krackonis At least in the show he charged at him and penetrated the center of the breastplate near the end of the duel. Wich is where the spear stuck before he pulled it back out.
By logic it must have been Valyrian, and a prince of Dorne could defenately get something like that. But George never mentions anything. Nor does the show...sooo yea. Armor became paper.
And hbo gave him one fight scene in which he dies whilst bigging him up for like 5 seasons.
No dumb and dumber did that after the actor gave a letter to why he should stay and they said that “it made us want to kill him off even more.”
@@ACinemafanaticThat's messed up.
@@ACinemafanatic They already decided to kill him off by then, that's why the actor (who's a fan of the books) wrote a letter to D&D expaining why he should stay alive from a narrative perspective. Which made them want to kill him off even more.. I've caught some cast interviews in the past and D&D hating feedback of any kind was a recurring topic.
Supposedly he's the motherfucking terminator, and we don't even get to see him be a badass in combat
No need to mud check Ser Barristan. The old dude kicks ass.
If only the show remembered what armour was used for.
I love in GoT how simple plate armor, when used by someone with much experience, is basically like power armor to those outside of Westoros.
I mean, simple full plate armor made swords decorative.. real life did that, not GoT
@@landonboyd3001not decorative, but certainly far, far less effective. Holding the thing by the blade and using it as a club could still be quite effective, thrusting into the joints/eyespots could sometimes work too, though god help you if you yourself were unarmored.
@@landonboyd3001 no it just removed any chance of injury with cuts and limited your stabbing targets to very few very small points, still third best weapon for fighting plate behind a pollaxe and dagger
@aname6717 what about a mace?
@@chamberlane2899 We already saw in an earlier book how to deal with the plate wielder. You just run around them a lot until they tire out much more easily. Bronn won against one with that strategy. Fitness becomes a lot more important in that context. I'm sure Selmy was very fit, but I expect an experienced pit fighter would also be very fit as well. It's the fear of looking weak that is the true weakness in that situation.
fucking chad
The only time in entertainment industry that an armour worked .
How was the “ coop” he launched? 😂😂😂😂
Ser... ser... ser I need you to give me the password or IRS agents will charge you with felony.
What felony?
Ser...
@@theviolator1703 😂😂😂😂😂
You people are so pedantic.
@@reynanlamsen2007 Oooooohh Reynan ! Pedantic?? 20 point word. Well done.
@@paultrainor4068 Oh, sarcasm? I guess you can wait outside parties now! Well done!
One of the most badass fights in the books.
In the serie, that fight's choreography is done by Jorah vs Qotho in season one in front of the tent when they tried to save Khal Drogo
People in armor are people not here to die.
They used the idea way too soon
More or less evenly matched until Qoth puts everything he has into a body shot. Hound lets Arya do the same with the small sword as a lesson, says it's why any armour and big sword wins
The only knight better than Ser Barristan Selmy is Ser Duncan the Tall.
Arthur Dayne
Egg what are you going on about
@@SmokeyNades only if Ser Arthur weilded Dawn. With equal swords, they're equal. GRRM explicitly said so.
@bicboy17 trying to act smart are we?
@@theophilussogoromo3000 So Barristan seems to have been 45 during Robert's Rebellion from what I can find. I can't find any info on Dayne's age but he seems to have been younger. He was someone Jaime looked up to but he was younger than Barristan. We'll say late 20s - mid 30s. If a 45 year old man is still equal to a younger dude it means the old man is more skilled. In a fight between prime Barristan and Dayne I'd argue the edge goes to Barristan. Not that it matters though. GRRM has admitted he dislikes power scaling. It never takes account for unexpected circumstances. Either one of them could trip on a rock and end up dead.
He launched a coup? I haven't read the books, so I didn't know about that.
He does not, only reluctantly participates in a coup launched by the former leader of the city guard “brazen beasts”
Armour has kept barristan the bold alive for 5 decades, who is the coward here??
I mean, that statement doesn’t prove anything. Also, one would argue that he did forsake House Targaryen. He agreed to serve Robert rather than help spirit Dany and Viscerys away.
Only fantasy genre idiots think armor didn't work and wasn't worn by literally everyone in history.
@@Mizelei2012 Barristan was too injured to do anything after Raegar's death and before the sack of King's Landing. By that point he was relying on Robert's maester to heal him, his role in the was was already over.
I agree with you, he could have chosen death rather than serve Robert, or snuck away any time in the intervening years, to seek out Viserys, he chose not to.
@@hobbesthegoblinbarristan is honourable he couldn't sneak out bc Robert speared his life and he pledge his sword to him, he was grateful but I agree he could have chosen to deviate, but he thought the Targs were ll done and Lannisters their closest allys re now with Rob
@@Mizelei2012you re moving the point, what does amour protection has to do with forsaking the Targ?
Mf killed Maelys the Monstrous Blackfyre HE IS THE GOAT
"what kind coward brings armor to a duel?!"
"what kind of dead man doesn't" 💀💀💀
he did what I always do in online gaming:
Haha you noob
Ok but you losing to a noob
"Only cowards use armor/fire arms/bows" - people without armor/fire arms/bows. If you can, you use it. It is not cowardly to use tools to survive. It's like saying: "Only weak people use excavators."
I still question why they killed him off in the show. He's a seasoned warrior still kicking strong so him facing the harpies in that cramped area should have been easy as they're not actually soldiers.
Because D&D are stupid they never cared about the characters or the lore. They even said when the actor stated his reasons to stay in a letter they said “it made us want to kill him off even more.”
Ironically, he would’ve survived that fight if he’d been wearing armor 🤦♂️
D&D sacked him on purpose. you can search youtube on their interview when they were gloating about it
@jeebanjeeban87 that just makes the moment worse because I know for a fact they were aware he's still alive in the books. Barristan in his twilight years after his dismissal has still proven himself as a great warriors and his threat to the lannister's king's gaurds was well warranted. It would have made more sense if he died during the longest night or the massacre of kingslanding
Even the most skilled swordsman would die if they ganged up on him
Sir Barriston the G.O.A.T
Sounds like they gave this fight to Ser Jorah, when he kills the Dothraki after Drogo "dies", on the show.
Barristan in the books is so fckn epic. I hate how he went out in the show. Book Barristan would *never*
You need pretty specific weapon to fight someone in plate armour (bulletproof at the time so a sword wouldn’t do jack)
I thought greatswords were considered the best weapon because they can pierce plate with a thrust. Slashing cuts would be stopped by armor though. Jorah mentions this in season 1 of the show and I thought that also happened to be historically accurate (assuming proper metals, say a steel sword and armor, obviously a bronze sword wouldn't pierce steel armor).
@@BR-re7oz great swords are to heavy to swing fast but to light to break plate armour even blunt weapons don’t really damage the armour but the force it still partially transferred to the wearer but they tend to wear pads and chain mail to make that minimal damage you need to attack the joints with a specific type of weapons for any real damage
@@Matergamer-gr6ie yea I've often heard of daggers to the neck joints and armpits but that would be so hard to do unless you've got like three people holding the other guy down. I guess it was mostly a function of only the richest people could afford full body plate armor and in the cases of those people the opponents would just take them prisoner and sell them back to their rich families because a big payout is worth more than killing one high level soldier.
@@BR-re7oz
Halberds and similar long pole arm weapons are useful for fighting plated fighters. Especially the kind with pikes on the end could penetrate plate helmets etc.
I've seen some manuscripts show fully armored fighters engage in grappling and pike like knives for weak spots, also half swording, using it as a blunt force weapon.
@@BR-re7oz
No they are not good as can openers-
Halberds, Poleaxes, maces, axes etc are the best choice
In the series a armor would save his Life.
haha ironic, right
I love that Barristan still offered Krazz the baseline courtesy of a warrior. Barristan has the vibe of always respecting someone who puts themself in a mortal battle, even if they don't think to actually protect themselves
"A coward wears armor!"
And only a fool believes that!
I read this fifteen minutes ago. I was noticing how beautifully it was written. I really got barristan. Previously we heard stories of who he was but, in the present he was defined by who he was not. In that chapter, GRRM refers to him as barristan the bold and it really felt like him in his purest form
Trent had armour. And a big f***ing sword
i love Baristan so much in the books. he is a force to be reckoned with.
I'd like a spinoff of this masterpiece on a warriors / knights perspective.
Preferably, the chronicles of Obelyn, Barristan, Drogo, and or The dawn knight.
I want that old school melee action.
Obviously the pit fighter, didn't stop to think what war means and why he was in armour(it ain't no duel)
Coop? Like "chicken coup"?
coup d'état
I think they know. It's just mispronounced in the video. @@ojsimpson4650
Chicken coops are pretty brutal, to be fair. There is a reason it's called a pecking order... but yeah, he said it wrong. Still... I'd like to see a face to face between Barristan and our Australorph, Black Chicken... my money is on Blacky...
No, like a Brit bot.
@marcwittkowski5146 it's not mispronounced, it's just misread by a bot.
This scene was sort of played out in season 1 when Jorah Mormont killed Qotho by trapping his blade against his armour and then slashing his face.
So basically Jorah’s fight in season 1 was actually Barristan
No
No. This fight happens in Dance with Dragons, that book was published in July 2011. Game of Thrones season 1, and that fight with Jorah happened earlier the same year. In the first book Jorah has the same fight against the Dothraki but even when he won, he ends heavily injured
@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 No I know, in the show when Jorah faces the bloodrider outside of Danys tent it happens almost exactly like how the narrator describes
One of the greatest swordsmen of all time, last of the true steel that served the mad king, one of the most honourable knights in the seven kingsdoms. In his old age he could still outfight almost anyone with sheer skill alone.
And they killed him in a sidestreet..
This fight really highlights that Barristan is getting older.
Its like the old Samurai quote.
Victory is the highest honor.
And only fools fight to the death for glory.
Selmy (next to NON dual-weilding SotM) was a FOOKIN' LEEEEGENNDD.
Barristan being alive and having a greater role in the books is what keeps me wanting the next installment..
It’s almost like Magnus deliberately blows the early rounds to make it more interesting
For y'all who are wondering, striking steel plate armor with a sword is like hacking at a stainless steel pan. It ain't gonna do shait to it.
Wtf is a coop? It's coup and the p is silent as in coo
It's pronounced like the ku in the ku klux klan
A chicken coop lol but that not what tjis should be spelled
It's a french word, why don't the anglos use one of their own words for it?
@@leonardoflorentinA large part of French is based in Latin, so should the French use one of "their own words", whatever that means, or should they give a good chunk of their words back to the people who originally created it? Either way, English is a far more dynamic and useful language, which is part of why it has become the Lingua Francia (no pun intended) of the modern world, much to the average frog's dismay LOL.
Everyone needs to chill
The good thing about me is my immense smell, the longer the day the stronger the smell
I think this is the only series where armor makes a difference.
That's more or less what would happen if drogo fought gregor, so stop arguing about that fight
On foot yes but they would more likely have been fighting mounted.
@@Ginkgo_leaf_3000It would happen then too swords are garbage against armor.
@@Hakar17what’s good against armor? A war hammer? Like Robert’s?
@@tonysmith5566 Yeah blunt weapons are far more effective for plate. Ideally though a polearm is the best choice for pre gunpowder warfare in general. People have this idea that swords are the weapon of antiquity but in reality they were a sidearm. Basically your sword would be a pistol in the modern world and a polearm is the M16
@@Hakar17 Drogo would most likely have cut the legs out from under Gregors horse and killed him while he was pinned under it.
Barristan was practically the Zhang Liao of the setting given his list of feats in the lore. Total badass that stood out in a world that likes to be just a tad grounded that not every trained fighter can be a one man army.
And then there is Victarion, who wears a full plate on a ship.
"Fine line between bravery and stupidity"
-The Dead
This scene got recreated somewhat in the show with Jorah and Khal Drogo’s blood rider
They did Ser Barristan dirty af
“You’d be surprised how much I know about Guns.” proceeds to call magazines, clips.
"If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck"
They need a Barristan prequel
He grew old in a very dangerous profession. I really enjoy his character because he has a different type of cunning than the people in court. And regardless of how evil another character might be or how noble, he has the respect of anyone that knows him. I am glad he is still alive.
I love how Martin described this fight.
"Opened his cheek from ear to mouth."
*WHY SO SERIOUS*
“Only cowards wear Armor”
“Idiots do not”
Did he have any chickens in the "coop"?
“He was an artist who only painted with red.”-Jaime Lannister.
"Only a coward wears armour"
"Lol. Lmao."
As a military contractor once said. I don’t get paid to fight fair, I get paid to win.
Despite the ridiculous final seasons of the show, Barristan is very much alive, maybe forever. Thanks George!
This was arguably the best duel in the series.
In a real fight, you use every tool you can to stay alive.
You dont get it son, this is an operating table and I am the surgeon
“I fought three days with an arrow through my left testical.”- Baron of Ibelin, Kingdom of Heaven.
From ear to mouth is wild 😅
"launches a coop" oh no i hope the chickens got out in time 😢
The show did him so dirty,
"Careful son, we're in a book, not in a movie. Armor actually works here'
Equivalent to saying only a coward uses a gun *gets shot
"Only cowards wear armor"
Well cowards also win wars then.
Ser Barriston was a bad ass D&D did him dirty
It was how Merin Trant was able to take down the first sword of bravos.
“a coop” 😂
In War, Armor is our Uniform, ser
Well, I'm a coward then. I love my armours.
You forgot to mention he performed the coup all by himself!
“I would’ve killed you in a fair fight!”
“Well that’s not very much incentive for me to fight fair then is it?”
- Jack and Will, POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pride in cowardice is not a virtue. It's actually moral corruption
Just from the photo I knew what character and chapter you were refering
Generally the arakh's in the books were made of bronze which tracks because that's also what the kopesh it is based on was made of. Steel armor would have an easy time with that. I wish that the show had paid more attention to the different kinds of metal
D&D treated Baristan well like everything else