El Glorioso - I'm sorry, our treasure is in another castle!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Today we look at the brief life and epic final voyage of the 70-gun ship of the line Glorioso, full time warship, part-time treasure ship, as it fought its way across the Atlantic to deliver its cargo in a series of epic battles.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
it is often held that in order to upgrade the Iowas (or Montanas) to 18 inch guns they would need to go from triple turrets to twins, however, the Tillman designs were able to fit a triple 18 (or 6-gun 16 inch turrets) on the same beam of 108ft (33m), why were the 1940s Americans less confident that they could do the same as their predecessors planned to?
During the 17th century, the Dutch/VOC navy employed a large number of Yachts and Pinnaces. Exactly what do these names mean? Were they referring to ship classes or types of rigging?
You keep mentioning the time period of the channel. What time period is that and why?
How can I argue with someone who thinks Operation Sea-Lion would have worked?
This is usually based on a claim, that Norway and Crete prove that the Royal Navy and RAF can not stop a surprise naval or air invasion and that if only Germany had invaded in September 1940 or earlier (without air-superiority) the UK would have been overrun and surrendered in a matter of weeks.
I do not believe that, but what good short arguments can I use to argue with someone, who might not be inclined to watch your "Royal Navy response to Plan Z" video or similar.
Just how badly did Spanish shipbuilding damage the Latin American old-growth forests (especially in comparison to agriculture)?
Damages or destroys enough ships to be considered a fleet-killer, makes the enemy run all over an ocean to find it, and then trolls the enemy by _not_ having anything worth looting. Truly a glorious ship.
And what a great basis for a film. I have English heritage and in the end even I was rooting the Spanish ship lol
@@glenchapman3899Thought she's a fine ship, she's still a Spaniard and therefore condemned to be the villain. Look at Santa Anna's rep in America.
@@thomasbaker6563 by condemned to be a villain you mean in the eyes of the history books? really spain and UK in their time they were the only two generator empire, UK because the industrial revolution, spain because being the reason of why most of the american countries speak spanish and also because having a tremendous growth on the population of its "colonies" virreinatos really, since being discovered and occupied until today, here in the north of argentina a lot of people have tribal ethnicity and i don't think that it could be possible if spain really killed them all... on the other hand just look at america and canada.
The value of the wood used to make the ship would now exceed the value of anything that she could possibly carry. You can obtain Cuban mahogany only as old furniture parts at considerable expense. In the steam age it was used to fire boilers.
This is a crying shame on several counts.
I picked up a few hundred board feet of it, 8/4 and about 12” wide, back in the 80’s before it went on the strict CITES list. That, and my collection of genuine rosewood types (mainly cocobolo) are worth enough to be insured and in the will.
Except printer-ink 😂
The wood is worth more than the approx 5 billion in cargo she is carrying?
Whoever the guy was who stripped the ship of its valuable wood made a hefty profit it seems. It's a shame they stripped her rather than fixed her considering she gave far better than she ever got.
It's nice to see a Spanish ship hold its own in spectacular fashion since history hasn't usually been kind to them.
Spain had a huge empire for a long time. You cant acquire or sustain such a thing without winning battles, on land and sea. English centric history channels will never make justice to that, and sadly there are not that many decent channels with Spanish creators...so of course you are gonna hear more about the disastrous Armada or the Trafalgar Battle...
@@fedecano7362well said!
@@downtownbrown50 it's always a bad day when a Catalan has to come to the aid of Spanish honour but that's just the reality. It's like people ( english centric channels and their viewers anyway ) will argue that the French Army acts cowardly. Based on absolutelly no facts other than their performance on WW2, without taking into consideration the 1000+ years history of the country..anyway rant over
Honestly I only go in for Steel era.... your comment convinced me to hang in there.
@@fedecano7362Even in 1940 the French fought bravely. They held off the German army for days so the evacuation at Dunkirk could take place. Anyone who says the French acted cowardly simply doesn't know history. I'm English by the way.
HMS Dartmouth: literally explodes
One of its few survivors that was literally thrown into the ocean after being rescued: "Sir, you must excuse the unfitness of my dress to come aboard a strange ship. But really I left my own in such a hurry that I had no time to stay for a change."
Nothing like a classic British understatement to lighten the mood after a horrific disaster.
He was actually an Irishman; Lieutenant Christopher O'Brien.
I love how the author chose to tip the scale ship on its side.
Would you consider making a small compass rose, which you could put in the pictures of the miniatures to better illustrate the directions you are talking about?
And the direction of the wind (if known).
Agreed, what a great idea!
EDIT : For those who, like me, don't quite understand the moves imposed by wind and rigging conditions
The stuff glory is made of, a well build, well led, well crewed ship with enough bad luck to get into a lot of trouble but enough good luck to get out of it
You resume the fate of spain on all his fates
For many months, I was amazed at the sheer volume of interesting, detailed information the Drach team was able to discover for pertinent content.
Then I realized Drach was one dude with a serious passion for ships. Great educator, too. And the occasional dry, subtle humor gets me every time.
Thank you, Drach, for all your work. Can't get enough.
Glorioso and Revenge - soul-mates. I must say though, it is rather neat thinking there is probably some antique furniture out there still bearing her timbers, probably unknown and unknowable.
Ah well if the records of her construction were still around it might have been possible to identify wood from Cuba bearing the appropriate traces of sea life using current chemical archaeology.
What a valiant ship and crew very worthy of her name.
"Captain Cruickshanks, who unfortunately was not a large orange cat in a hat." Thank you, exactly the sort of Drach-ism I (and my cats, Dular Bombagar and Cherenkova Skybolt), appreciate.
Twas a beauty
@@wierdalien1 haha. my cat Graffen Puss von Mwow Mwow.
It's interesting how popular culture seeps into your perception.
I'm basically an alien 👽, I haven't watched (deliberatly) TV or a movie in, probably, 30 years. Never seen a Star Wars movie, the Sound of Music, watched any Kardsian show or read or seen Harry Potter.
Yet, somehow I have a fair working knowledge of the Dramatis Personae of each of these franchises along with many more.
I can't say why or how but I immediately recognised the Cruickshanks in question, maybe the 9/10ths of my brain I don't use isn't full of penguins after all.
I must agree as does Papa Legba, aka Dr. Evil's cat, or Soviet Boomer lately due to corpulence and color and general attitude.
The original Bismarck chase, except with a far more badass target for her time.
And in this case the "bad guy" actually won, mostly.
Although the Bismark was rather badass as well! 😊
@@downtownbrown50eh
@@obsidianjane4413 well at least the British settled for capturing the ship.
Fabulous history about a ship, a captain and a crew that truly earned the name.
Fun fact about Glorioso's other name: Ignacio De Loyola was the Spaniard that founded the Society of Jesus, more commonly known as the Jesuits.
Isn't it a little odd and disrespectful to name a warship after a man who rejected his youthful pursuit of military glory in favour a religious mission while recovering from a war wounds? Not to mention the Spanish building a ship to enforce colonial control and naming it after the founder of an order that long opposed Spanish colonial policy, notably mass enslavement of the natives, which resulted in the Spanish government suppressing the order a couple decades later.
@@lerougeau2399You're reaching. The Spanish have a long history of naming ships after saints, like the Santa Maria that sailed with Christopher Columbus. Nobody sane thinks the US Navy naming a battleship the Colorado or Mississippi is a sign of disrespect.
Moreover, St. Ignatius of Loyola was an honorable Spanish soldier who had fought the enemies of Spain in war and the spirit. What is there to disrespect?
An idea of videos, the shipyards of European powers during age of sail. A video was made for British ones but it may give an idea of the capacity of each nation. As always great video. Thanks!
How many keepers of the plug type jobs were there?
Seconded! I'm a sucker for logistics/industrial capacity.
Ask Perun😊
Go to the historic dockyard at Chatham and look
@@Trebor74 yeah, but that would only give the British ones.
Spanish navy be like: I like my wooden ships like how I like my cigars.
_Cuban_
Glorioso: Pero chico, caballero. Os digo, que no tenemos el oro ni los quesos. (Sir, we don’t have the gold and cheeses anymore)
Walker: I don’t care!
At this point they would settle for the ship instead.
Dear Mr. Drach... Are you sure you are only one person? There must be the original Drach and at least 5 clones of you to produce the vast quantity and superb quality you give to us. The recent Drydock was 5 1/2 hours! This post was marvelous! Thank you Sir, thank you.
This is his full-time job now, so... /shrug
From my days of reading about the age of sail - I read that the Spanish and French Ships, on which more care had been spent - were actually better made than the British Ships - which were being cranked out to try and keep the RN's number's up.
Thus - capturing one of these ships would end up giving the RN a pretty good ship to use themselves - and they were preferred by their crews.
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Thats actually quite interesting, because ive heard many times that british sailors and especially gunners and their artillery were better. Which is true.
Bit i disnt know about their ships being rushed or anything
I love it when you cover Spanish ships of the Age of Sail.
It strikes me as thoroughly odd that a movie has not been made in regards to this epic tale.
If you tell me the language filmmakers speak in hollywood you will have the answer to your question
What an absolute legend of a ship. Truly she lived by her name.
This is my favourite kind of Drach video; a good old tale of adventure on the high seas! This is why I started watching his content in the first place. Thanks for another great video, Drach!
It would have been hilarious, at the 7 min mark,, if Drach added, "...and Larry", to the end of the long list of Spanish ship names.
Really appreciating this series of age of sail content. Thanks, Drach
Drach's a happy camper anytime he gets to practice his Spanish. 😁
The Spanish film and tv industry should take a look at this story. They've done historical tv shows before and this glorious voyage would be fine material.
Probably my favourite youtube channel overall
Probably? If there’s an even better one then please let me know. 😅
This has been by far my favorite RUclips channel since I subscribed like 5 years ago, but there are a whole bunch of close seconds these days
*Hears of Spanish nobleman named Vega*
Zorro was the captain?!
As if this crew couldn't get more badass.
lulz... the ship would've mutinied if that were the case... Zorro was a Mexican aristocrat fighting against the Spanish aristocracy... AKA, The people don't like what you're doing, so I'll do the same thing to you in their name, while enjoying the same benefits of position you do...
Zorro was a Karen lmao
Now THAT history should be made into the movie!
its impressive that Drach has relatively good spanish, its nice to hear him speak spanish every now and then 😄
today in sentences with incredibly different modern meanings: "he gave me his discharge, which I reciprocated with mine"
Yes Drach more age of sail videos! I raise a glass to your health sir
Age of Sail: Splendid. 👍
I really love the stories that come from the age of sail, thank you for uploading this one Drach!
I like the little ship models, but they really need flags, or little video game name tags, or something to make it easier to keep track of who's who.
These price numbers are really astounding. But what I find remarkable is how hard this ship, crew,and it's captain fought so hard to survive. I know of no other ships that have fought so tenaciously with the possible exception of the carrier Yorktown. Does anyone else know of a ship that has fought so hard and on just one voyage?
HMS Revenge gave a good going. Drach as a video on her
The sheer stupid amount of wealth those galleons carried always amazes me. For some sort of comparison: a ULCC tanker nowadays carries about 220-230 million pounds worth of crude oil. El Glorioso carried the roughly equivalent value of 25 supertankers worth of cargo in cash and commodities. Of course things work out a bit different in terms of economy, but gatdam if de la Cerda hadn't unloaded her in time, the capture would have instantly made Commodore Walker the most well-liked man at the British court.
And not to mention Spain would suffer from humiliation.
The only one who managed to capture the convoy of the Indies Fleet (1564-1776) was the Dutch admiral Piet Hein in the battle in the bay of Matanzas in 1626 during the Eighty Years War, obtaining a loot of half a billion euros in todays money.
On the other hand, there were great fiascos trying to capture such as those of Drake in the battle of San Juan de Ulúa (1568), the battle of Vila Franca do Campo (1582), the Cádiz expedition (1625) or the battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741).
The Spanish West and East Indies fleets are considered among the most successful naval operations in history and, from a commercial point of view, they made possible key components of today's global economic system.
Einfach atemberaubend. Es lebe hoch Spanien! Besser als irgendeines Kino oder Roman, echt heldenhaft!!!
Certainly exemplified Spanish courage and seamanship, which history often maligns.
Thank You Drachinifel Enjoy Your age of Sail stories they are always Great I like them very much incredible Tales : ) Bravery at its full Height, Cheers!!! Rick from Canada
I'd heard of this battle and the ship but never a full account. Muy bien.
It's so funny that when naming off the ships of the small fleet sitting in Havannah Harbor alongside El Glorioso, I almost thought Drachinifel was just listing the names of cities in the Southwest United States. lol.
So how many ships fought to the very last bag of gunpowder, before striking their flag?
This is my first encounter with such a ship. And Spanish no less. Unbelievable.
I LOVE the opening theme to this video! Please consider making it your new theme!
Love these 40 minute 5 minute guides! Seriously, not being sarcastic.
Fascinating story and nice way of presenting it with the models.
What an epic tale of an amazing ship!⚔🔥🙌
One must appreciate lt. O'Brian answer as to his "unfitness of his dress"...
A charming and illustrative tribute.
That was a great piece of work, I really enjoy that and learnt something new, thank you
It seems such poor luck that so many English warships engaged Glorioso off the coast of Spain and Portugal but no Spanish warships came to her assistance in her final battles.
What a fantastic tale, thank ye sir
What a great depiction with the wooden models. Well played.
THAT is a MOVIE!
Well done, a great respite from the world as it is today, thank you.
What a movie this story could be!!! Or tv series even better.
Love the music, it’s epically epic.
Thanks Drach.
Thanks!
Thanks Drach
Quite a story thanks 👍
Awesome video mate, its great to see the Spanish kick ass.
I am surprised Glorioso wasn't bequeath to other down to the ages in the Armada.
The Joel Romero of the Armada: "He felt like cement. That's all I have to say."
Spain never had colonies. All the territories were as part of the kingdom as the peninsular ones. The ships made in Cuba were made in tropical Woods such as caoba and of extreme good quality.
Luvvin it !
Fascinating the amount of topgallants that were shot away by the cannon. Clearly there's a lot more elevation potential than I realised.
Excellent!
Strike the pirate's flag Drach, for you've blown another one clean out of the water. As usual, smashing good show yet again my good man.
TY SIR and I'm eagerly awaiting another pirate's flag, so to speak SIR.😊😊😊
😷🚕🛣️🔥👍✅😁🤔
I don't know if there is much information on it but could you do a video on spy networks at the time and how they were able to deliver information back and in time as well.
Great story. :-)
That was a great one. like to see you do a video on the Hermione mutiny.
Was that the one where Harry and Ron decided they were tired of her shit and trapped her in an infinite hell loop using a boobytrapped Time Turner? Sorry, thinking of something else…
Astonishing!
Wow! What a legend just sailing across the ocean turned out to be! Three cheers for Commodore de la Cerda and his crew!
Also...Mahogany "much prized in making the making of furniture" is something of an understatement. Honestly, that scrap price of 30 000 pounds (5.6 million pounds in today's money) would by modern standards be an absolute bargain price for even the shot up hulk that Glorioso would have been, given the kind of timbers you find in the large ships of the 18th century - wouldn't be at all surprised to hear the market price for that scrap today being upwards of 10 times that price. (with the inflation adjustment, of course).
...And that's assuming you live in a country where you can buy stuff grown in Cuba. The Americans are probably stuck with upcycling worn out furniture that predates the Cuban Missile Crisis. (Of course, I'm assuming there's a mahogany plantation in Cuba; not every kind of wood is viable to grow in commercial applications, even at the absurd prices that some hardwoods fetch.
Mahogany is still mostly logged to the point of being endangered species just about everywhere (especially the large mature trees).
It's interesting what is considered valuable through history. Copper,brass,iron, steel then silver & gold. Now we have stripped nature of tree's, wood becomes valuable when once it was considered as infinite. With industrial war it won't be unreasonable to consider blood & bone as a readily available resource. I know WW1&WW2 has mined this resource but WW3 will render everything as collateral damage.
enjoyed that,thanks
Pity she wasn't repaired and brought into Royal Navy service as HMS Glorious. Even with the damage she took, that hull seems like it probably had a lot of life left in it.
Just keep the original Spanish name as a reminder.
If a ship can beat as many of your ships as it did and you mange to take it, keep it. One, there's prestige to such a veteran ship and two, It has to be built well to have survived all that so restoring it would have netted the Royal Navy a durable ship.
At 4:30 , what is the literal name used? Because if it was "tirachinas" (literally translated to "small stones thrower", correctly translatedto "slingshot") it may just have been a peyorative nickname. Maybe just a slang term to refer to a small gun reserved for anti-personel role in an hypothetical boarding action.
"Pedrero", I guess: armamentonaval.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/los-pedreros-de-marina/
Small guns usually loaded with grape for antipersonnel purposes. Not shooting rocks anymore.
The Spanish technical term for a stone throwing gun was "pedrero", if I am not mistaken.
I believe the name isnt literal. It just refers to a deck moynted anti personal gun
Since Loyola was a soldier, before becoming a Saint (and founding the Jesuites in between) a very befiting second name for a warship.
Watching this made me think about Spain. How often do you even hear them mentioned in international news. I can't remember the last time I heard them mentioned, out side of a study on Islam. And didn't the Brits have a ship named the Glorious?
Actually, about every week, unless you get your news in the US which is still obsessed with Trump. Everything from the miliary aide they gave Ukraine (weapons, training, and taking in thousands of Ukrainian refugees,) to trying to deal with the waves of undocumented immigrants trying to cross their borders. In fact yesterday, the British press was covering a young and very attractive Princess Leonor (...I hope I spelled that right...) being declared the next Queen of Spain.
The design used on gloriouso is a combination of Ship of the line and frigate...in short more powerful and agile
A Borg Cube of the Caribbean.
Always fun to hear about epic voyages.
"Voyage of the damned" wasn't just a Russian thing LOL
His pronunciation is very good.
Ghost-ship ?
Were did you get the miniatures?
Dracs thank you, a marvellous account very well related
The French have a saying, "to see a Spanish ship is to capture her".
It's part a joke and unfair as your story here proves.
The disastrous Armada or the Trafalgar Battle are often mentioned as examples of Spanish failure, unfair I think.
The Spanish Armada was never going to be a winner, a bad idea and it's commander said as much.
I lived in Plymouth for 25 years so know more than a bit about The Armada and Drake in particular, some of which is not in the regular histories. You can see my painting 'Drake 400' in the member's lounge of the Royal Plymouth Corinthian Yacht Club.
Trafalgar, as you brilliantly related in the 'Battle of Trafalgar' video, many of the Spanish ships had raw crews, the regional coastal communities with their experienced sea men having been decimated by plague so the landsmen performed poorly.
There were also Spanish ships engaged that fought with as much courage, bravery and gallantry as any men can. This in the full knowledge that they were going to loose.
By the way I'm English, now live in France and had the honour of being 'Official Artist' to HMS Victory during the preparation for Trafalgar 200.
My research adventures took me to many achieves of England, France and Spain including to Cadiz as a guest of the Uni and Spanish Navy and Cape Trafalgar.
You can discover my Trafalgar adventure by googling for my marine website and 'Nelson & Trafalgar", profit, enjoy.
Your comment about the preparation of Spanish sailors is very accurate.
Any tactician of the time would have said that Nelson's maneuver was suicide, but Nelson knew the difference in training between his gunners and the Spanish ones.
The English were theoretically somewhat inferior in number of ships and men, but in practice they were capable of firing their cannons three times for each time the Spanish did, so they actually had a big advantage.
@@angelcamachodelsolar you are right.. Much interesting information was generously shared with me when I visited Madrid and Cadiz to as about the Spanish perspective of Trafalgar.
It was then that i learned about the plagues that has decimated the coastal populations of Spain.
Making the gunnery more difficult for the Spanish, their ships had a heavy swell on their beam and light winds to were rolling relatively heavily.
The British had the swell pushing them forward, better quality gunpowder and as proven by Mr. P. Goodwin when Keeper & Curator of HMS Victory, the British cannons were fitted with flint locks meaning the moment they fired was easier to anticipate which translated into more force and more accuracy.
Having studied Trafalgar in France and Spain my view is that the French & Spanish when they could fought with great courage and gallantry.
@@gordonfrickers5592 Thank you very much for your words, we Spaniards have often lacked good commanders and rulers, but luckily the soldiers did not usually lack courage and gallantry.
@@angelcamachodelsolar Only a fool would doubt Spanish courage and gallantry.
The way the Spanish at sea and ashore behaved after Trafalgar and the storm was an exemplary example.
Jajajajaja soy graciosos los ingleses, pues a Nelson le cortamos un brazo en la bátala de Gran Canarias que lo intentasteis conquistar 3 veces y no lo conseguiste, y en Cartagena de Indias Blas de Lezo me dio un buen mensaje a los ingleses “todo buen español debe mear siempre mirando hacia Inglaterra”
Cuando España ayudo a EEUU a la independencia de las 13 colonias hay una batalla del almirante luis de Cordova que los ingleses habéis olvidado y es esta:
ruclips.net/video/IDS0QBwAT9M/видео.htmlsi=PzgtsSZ_FSSTRxAU
es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acción_del_9_de_agosto_de_1780
Pero como siempre los ingleses soys así y sobre todo con los españoles, habláis de vuestras victorias pero nunca de vuestras derrotas. Los almirantes españoles estaban mucho mejor preparados que los ingleses.
Otra batalla ganada a los ingleses fue la de pensacola en Florida por el almirante Bernardo de Gálvez. Saludos desde España.
30:09 The English out-englished 😂
So given that she had two nanes, was Glorioso a type of agnomen?
Too early for coffee this time. Starbucks not yet open.
Bet Dunkin' Donuts is though.
Make your own, it'll be cheaper and taste better.
Late breakfast/ early lunch for me
"Stone thrower" = LIghter ordnance?
That is some story. You can't make this stuff up!
Why place so much in one ship?
It’s lost would be devastating
I'm curious as to where the rank of commodore stands in the power of naval officers myself.😊
Just under rear admiral.
Equivalent to rear admiral, lower half.
In the US Navy, its really now replaced by rear admiral, lower half, or pay grade O-7. Captain is O-6, where rear admiral is O-8. Commodore now is an assignment, or position, of captains in command of a destroyer or submarine squadron.
Traditional holds that someone who commanded several several ships commanded by captains would be called Commodore. It became a real rank later, think 1 star admiral.
@@jimmywranglesI prefer to be on top of my rear admirals.
Is it really any wonder after such a lengthy and exhausting naming introduction by the Spanish. o~0 That most opposing ships captains would just say "Dash it all" and open fire??? >~
Maybe Bismarck is another Glorioso
Um, no...Glorioso was a reasonably efficient design of a ship, with very good quality that made the Royal Navy jealous. And it was extraordinarily well commanded, even in its last battle, where it fought efficiently until it lost its masts, then kept fighting somewhat less efficiently until it ran out of ammunition (a la the Samuel B Roberts), then, and only then, raising the white flag because she absolutely couldn't fight any longer.
Bismarck was an inefficient design of a warship, with at least one major unforgiveable flaw (the cabling for the radar not being sufficiently shielded from her own guns), and her admiral commanded adequately, but adequate wasn't sufficient to save the Bismarck. Bismarck's last battle was not comparable to the Glorioso's (if a Swordfish had been with the English against the Glorioso, then the two final battles could be compared), but I do question, even if her rudder could have been made to work again when the British were outside 40,000 yards range of the Bismarck, whether even God as the German commander could have saved Bismarck from the Royal Navy.
If God had been commanding the Glorioso, she might have had a chance.
@@tcpratt1660 man, you know how to answer to a simple sentence of mine 👍
Damn! I was actually rooting for the Spanish here!
hahaha me to ¡ (I am spaniard) my best regards¡
Horatio De La Cerda
The US Navy will once again have a USS Arizona!
The new Arizona’s designation is SSN-803 😮. Haven’t seen anything about what this means for BB-39.
Shouldn’t mean anything. The battleship Arizona was decommissioned and struck from the naval register in 1942.
I bought an 8 foot plank mahogany for my bowsprit 50 $ American. Ketchikan, Alaska.. last week
Interesting British ships operated in Spanish home waters
Admiral Nelson has entered the chat...
"Is Trafalgar unfamiliar to you?"
@@nunyabidness674 Of course, because Nelson was very clear about his defeat in Tenerife in 1797, where he lost his arm.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife_(1797)
@@angelcamachodelsolar Tenerife was in the canary islands, not exactly "Spanish Home Waters"
@@nunyabidness674 LMAO
They were and are Spanish waters
@@angelcamachodelsolar HOME waters being the important part. Meaning around the coast line of Spain. Otherwise I would be out here able to say that the battle of Manilla happened in "American home waters", or that the battle of the Falklands were in "British Home Waters"...
Trafalgar on the other hand WAS in Spanish home waters.
Minor edit: Since I didn't originally add the counterpoint. The Canary islands are Spanish "territorial" waters.
Where it gets spicy is when you look at stuff like Jutland, which can be considered home waters of many countries. Or for that matter the English Channel (France and England both)
The US only really has 2 sections of shared home waters, around the straights of Juan de Fuca and near Newfoundland. The southern borders with Mexico pretty much just extend into the water. The US has historically had territorial waters all over, same as Britain, France and Spain.