A buddy of mine runs an army he calls 99 grots. It’s a surprisingly powerful army before the changes. I’m excited to see how he uses these buffs with his build
This'll defintely give Orks a good boost but I would say like 75% of our problems are data sheet and army rule related. We can get waited out of the Waagh and counterpunched bc you cant just declare it in any command phase, then we have no army rule for 4/5 rounds. Orks are great at denying via clogging the board but are still tissue thin tough, we have no real str, AP or serious bite outside of the Waagh. Zog forbid we run into anything with double digit str weapons or toughness. If we cant have volume of dakka, WS, high ap or damage, we need boatloads of keywords to make the gambles of 5+ worth it. Most of our swingy, gambling destruction units are locked in legends and it hurts.
Agreed. Sure, the points decreases are nice and being able to fit an extra unit or two and some enhancements into a list is great, but points changes aren't fixing a lot of the core issues hurting the army right now.
You nailed it. We get an army rule for 1, maybe 2 battle rounds in a specific detachment, and can just be denied it if we go second. Feels like we're less reliable World Eaters.
I already run them from time o time and they do very well, as most people do not see them coming, when playing against orcs. The update gives the list around 50 or 60 extra points, so not bad here!
@@Silverdragon83X Nobody expects the orks to whip out their own knight equivalent that’s for sure 😂 big vs someone bringing mostly anti-horde as other players often do vs Ork players
Really love the changes to orks here. Now I'm just hoping that the Beast Snagga and Speed Freak detachments get some improvements, especially the former.
As a kult of speed player, it was... well, plus 60 points to blow on stuff, so that's either an extra 3 bikes, or a 5 squad of lootas, one model of mek gunz, and maybe an ehnacment for a biker boss. It's... pretty small scale, most of the fights I lose are against vehicles, and this really won't do much of anything to help cept maybe that extra mek gunz, but not nearly enough to help since those fights tend to be a bit more one sided than that's going to help with. But ya, they need rules/stat changes more than point changes. For others orks, might try meganobz again in a bit to see how that helps, but still doubt it'll be enough. For my planned but yet to finish or have tried dread mob list, it'd be I think 90 points back. An extra 20 grotz sounds good, or maybe even some stormboyz, that list could probably use some. Beast snagga, just never really liked their models and idea as much, so aint touched them, and probably still wont.
easy now, Orks where at 42%, this will help sure, but it will not take them over 50%, more likely it will put them around 47-48%, witch is also fine. Orks still have a big problem in an army ability only for 20% of the game, and the thoughness of wet paper.
Undoing the nerfs to green tide and changing the waaagh to start of any turn would really help. Or brining back the 9E waaagh that lasted for two turns.
That's one of my big reason to play bully boyz, 40% is slighlty better though it still forces you to make all your meaningful moves at the same time (with having to contend with vulnerability during the setup and a painful aftermath if you don't get the lethality you expected)
Kult of Speed is great fun to play until you run into something it simply doesn't have the tools to kill. I had one notable game against Necrons where Trazyn was in the mid-board with a couple of units- his AP debuff made most of the buggy shooting simply bounce off them, generally not doing enough to get past Reanimation, and when I switched targets to him I shot some 1000 points at him and he barely noticed. A +1 hit bonus at under 12" range might be a nice boost to them, it gives them further encouragement to get close and more damage when they do.
Yeah, that's honestly probably pretty scary. Beastboss with Snagga Boyz can do some silly amounts of damage. The only problem is that you're just SO much better off doing that with War Horde to give your Beast Boss Sustained Hits and, if running Ghaz, also Lethal Hits while critting on a 5+.
My initial reaction is I am quite pleased. I definitely need to look over the point changes and rule updates before I can say for sure. I'm still working on updating my army lists. I should definitely be able to field more Orkz.
Right there with you on buggies and KoS. I really want to see some changes to make them more competitive. I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of improvement with Careen so it would be better at eliminating things when destroyed. That would be very on brand
I shelfed my orks when the codex came out. Just got around to buying it. I am 3-0 so far with them. When you're wounding the great unlean one on a 2, you're doing something right.
Dude I'm right there with you, looking at this massive amount of units I have on my table and then hearing how Orks kind of suck and kind of regretting my choice. Should have gone space wolves
Very welcome updates with many steps in the right direction. I think youre right with the need for rules sheet changes for Cult of speed. Especially since Speed Freeks was so popular and will be bringing in people to a lesser degree than SM2.
It's a good thing that they didn't touch most KoS units' points. Making buggies cheap doesn't help them. Hopefully they'll get some attention in the December/January rules update - Buff the detachment rule, buff their abilities, buff their shooting, then by all means *increase* their points.
Just waiting for a bit more love for Kult of Speed but the points cuts and Warboss getting FAQ'd to work like he should is great. No points for GW for the latter since it was a bad take to say it was intentional. I don't think it's necessarily bad that buggies could be made good in Kult of Speed or at least keep the buffs reasonable. I really don't want a replay of 9th which led to us suffering now for how nasty the Speed WAAAAAAGH!!! was.
The fact that they didn't reverse the completely unnecessary change to green tide is enough for me to just shelve them for now. Also their refusal to appropriately point the stompa is just insulting.
Orks have to be the most up and down faction in 40k. They go from strong to weak and back again more than anyone else....maybe the only faction where their meta is also fluffy.
Orks is one army i was about start. But felt for the necrons looks. Should i as a beginner switch to orcs or should I have 2 army's of orks and necrons ?
Love the changes but I was literally just saying how the Cult of Speed need a real change for them to be viable. I use the buggies and stuff cause they're fun, but against the competitive players, yeah no.
Im glad they reverted the points nerf for MANz That was an INSANE price hyke while also dropping their once-per-game FNP, rendering them utter garbage outside of bullyboyz and just "decent" in bullyboyz for that price. They dont hit remotely hard enough to justify that high a price.
Maybe I’m missing on the way people play these games. If a unit is good only in a certain area but are supported by other units that protect them or confuse the enemy. Why isn’t this a topic of these units? Does no one know the sacrifice play or a pincer movement???
I had a fun idea for a new rule for Orks: That an Ork unit with matching predominant colors gains one of the following bonuses, as per the lore Orks lore about them: 🔴Bonuses to all Movement related actions. 🟡All their DAKKA shoots more bullets and hits (slightly) more accurately. ⚫️Units of this color are tougher, either through flat bonuses to stats and/or through improvements to their survivability related rolls. ⚪️All their CHOPPA and DAKKA hits harder. 🔵Bonuses to various rolls, especially ones that pertain to Stratagems and Psychic Powers. 🟣Bonuses to Cover and stealth related actions 🟢Units and their gear are all slightly cheaper, and receive smaller but more widespread buffs when compared to the more focused ones of the other colors
@@markberghel275 Simple fix… Just give them BIG war banners as wargear that confer those bonuses as an aura depending on their color. It would be mostly the same idea but more practical, AND you would have the benefit of allowing different auras to be able to overlap (at the risk of all those bunched up units being destroyed by focused AOE munitions and powers of course.)
@@sumsarprat If you can't charge out of a trukk and and shooters in the trukk still count as moving then its not useful. Anyone disembarking is either a sitting duck or you waste time having to charge out of cover.
They are referring to the average points saved. You basically can fit one more unit of grots. Orks issues are in datasheets and the fact that they are off the board by t3 in most games
May e you could talk about the nerfs to BT? Seems really unnecessary, especially for a faction that has a bellow 50% win rate?? Would love to hear your opinion??
They're kinda OP tbh. They're unbelievable fast and the melee is extremely scary. Gaz having a 2+ invul save until you wound and kill his little gobbo buddy beyond annoying.
I just fucking hate this edition as codex marine player, orcs were still stronger than us and just 4 months were weak.... and here we are codex marines with huge nerf and orcs got buff. Insane
Orks weren't that much stronger, a couple of percent points and SMs had 2 tourney wins over Orks 0 in Pariah Nexus. SMs suffer from divergent chapters benefiting from the codex, which leads to codex compliant armies suffering and is something GW said they're going to look at later this year.
Ork players after update: "the age of man is over; the time of the Ork has come."
Fuck yeahhhhh 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Actually I just yelled WAAAGH really loud
Yooo Rings of Power reference 😂😂😂- just kidding
Yeah! Let's show those Men, boyz!
WAAAAGH
A buddy of mine runs an army he calls 99 grots. It’s a surprisingly powerful army before the changes. I’m excited to see how he uses these buffs with his build
Ladies and gentlemen, it may in fact be time for a WAAAAAAGH
WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
It's always time for a WAAAAAAGH!
I just drove from across town - did somebody WAAAAGH!!! over here?
Boyz tonight we do a WAAAAAGH on kreig
WAAAAAAAGGHHH!!
This'll defintely give Orks a good boost but I would say like 75% of our problems are data sheet and army rule related. We can get waited out of the Waagh and counterpunched bc you cant just declare it in any command phase, then we have no army rule for 4/5 rounds.
Orks are great at denying via clogging the board but are still tissue thin tough, we have no real str, AP or serious bite outside of the Waagh. Zog forbid we run into anything with double digit str weapons or toughness.
If we cant have volume of dakka, WS, high ap or damage, we need boatloads of keywords to make the gambles of 5+ worth it. Most of our swingy, gambling destruction units are locked in legends and it hurts.
Agreed. Sure, the points decreases are nice and being able to fit an extra unit or two and some enhancements into a list is great, but points changes aren't fixing a lot of the core issues hurting the army right now.
You nailed it. We get an army rule for 1, maybe 2 battle rounds in a specific detachment, and can just be denied it if we go second. Feels like we're less reliable World Eaters.
Time to get my Dread Army built. Mork and Gorkanauts here I come!
I already run them from time o time and they do very well, as most people do not see them coming, when playing against orcs. The update gives the list around 50 or 60 extra points, so not bad here!
@@Silverdragon83X extra grots to ride the naut's
@@Silverdragon83X Nobody expects the orks to whip out their own knight equivalent that’s for sure 😂 big vs someone bringing mostly anti-horde as other players often do vs Ork players
I crafted a nice dread mob but now I’m eyeing beast snaggas. Kill rigs got a nice cut.
All that needs to happen is to reverse the nerf to the green tide detachment.
And to actually make Big Hunt do anything better than just bringing War Horde instead
Really love the changes to orks here. Now I'm just hoping that the Beast Snagga and Speed Freak detachments get some improvements, especially the former.
As a kult of speed player, it was... well, plus 60 points to blow on stuff, so that's either an extra 3 bikes, or a 5 squad of lootas, one model of mek gunz, and maybe an ehnacment for a biker boss.
It's... pretty small scale, most of the fights I lose are against vehicles, and this really won't do much of anything to help cept maybe that extra mek gunz, but not nearly enough to help since those fights tend to be a bit more one sided than that's going to help with. But ya, they need rules/stat changes more than point changes.
For others orks, might try meganobz again in a bit to see how that helps, but still doubt it'll be enough.
For my planned but yet to finish or have tried dread mob list, it'd be I think 90 points back. An extra 20 grotz sounds good, or maybe even some stormboyz, that list could probably use some.
Beast snagga, just never really liked their models and idea as much, so aint touched them, and probably still wont.
easy now, Orks where at 42%, this will help sure, but it will not take them over 50%, more likely it will put them around 47-48%, witch is also fine.
Orks still have a big problem in an army ability only for 20% of the game, and the thoughness of wet paper.
For reference Ghaz has 6 toughness.
Undoing the nerfs to green tide and changing the waaagh to start of any turn would really help. Or brining back the 9E waaagh that lasted for two turns.
That's one of my big reason to play bully boyz, 40% is slighlty better though it still forces you to make all your meaningful moves at the same time (with having to contend with vulnerability during the setup and a painful aftermath if you don't get the lethality you expected)
da boyz get da best strength in orktober! of corse dem boyz will get strongah
Please buff Stompa, for gork’n’mork’s sake…
Excuse me sir.... can I borrow a cup of WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!
Kult of Speed is great fun to play until you run into something it simply doesn't have the tools to kill. I had one notable game against Necrons where Trazyn was in the mid-board with a couple of units- his AP debuff made most of the buggy shooting simply bounce off them, generally not doing enough to get past Reanimation, and when I switched targets to him I shot some 1000 points at him and he barely noticed. A +1 hit bonus at under 12" range might be a nice boost to them, it gives them further encouragement to get close and more damage when they do.
trazyn ap debuff?
ah, szeraz most probably
@@doktorresident255 Yeah, probably. They all blend together in my head after a while!
I’ve already got a dread mob with a mork built and gork the on the way as my centerpieces, glad to see I have more flexibility with those point drops.
3 kill rig 3x squad of beastsnagg all lead ! 😂 the hunta is starting just for 1095 pts !
Da Big Hunt is solid in 1k games.
Yeah, that's honestly probably pretty scary. Beastboss with Snagga Boyz can do some silly amounts of damage.
The only problem is that you're just SO much better off doing that with War Horde to give your Beast Boss Sustained Hits and, if running Ghaz, also Lethal Hits while critting on a 5+.
My initial reaction is I am quite pleased. I definitely need to look over the point changes and rule updates before I can say for sure. I'm still working on updating my army lists. I should definitely be able to field more Orkz.
Haha, Orktoberfest
Right there with you on buggies and KoS. I really want to see some changes to make them more competitive. I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of improvement with Careen so it would be better at eliminating things when destroyed. That would be very on brand
Stompa STILL hasnt had a price drop lol.....
Just remove it already GW, you clearly dont want people using it.
If only they’d buff my poor kult of speed
I shelfed my orks when the codex came out. Just got around to buying it. I am 3-0 so far with them.
When you're wounding the great unlean one on a 2, you're doing something right.
Komandos, with named. Thraka with battle wagon, meganobs. 10x2 shoota boys, 10x2 slugga choppa boys with trucks, flashgits, 3 kans, 5x2 storm boys. 1500 pnts
James Workshop has blessed us with an Orktober holiday miracle
Now I'm just getting into the game and bought my ork army in August so this is some nice news
Dude I'm right there with you, looking at this massive amount of units I have on my table and then hearing how Orks kind of suck and kind of regretting my choice. Should have gone space wolves
Perhaps a bit of a meme but at 1980 points you can have 90 snaggas, 3 kill rigs, 3 hunter rigs, and 3 beast bosses. And one enhancement.
Very welcome updates with many steps in the right direction. I think youre right with the need for rules sheet changes for Cult of speed. Especially since Speed Freeks was so popular and will be bringing in people to a lesser degree than SM2.
I dont think the buffs were enough, but they might get into the 45% range
We never left mate, Orks is always ere an ready fer a good scrap.
It's a good thing that they didn't touch most KoS units' points. Making buggies cheap doesn't help them. Hopefully they'll get some attention in the December/January rules update - Buff the detachment rule, buff their abilities, buff their shooting, then by all means *increase* their points.
What about Meganobz in Dreadmob with a Big Mek in MA ?
Just waiting for a bit more love for Kult of Speed but the points cuts and Warboss getting FAQ'd to work like he should is great. No points for GW for the latter since it was a bad take to say it was intentional.
I don't think it's necessarily bad that buggies could be made good in Kult of Speed or at least keep the buffs reasonable. I really don't want a replay of 9th which led to us suffering now for how nasty the Speed WAAAAAAGH!!! was.
I agree with the thumbnail change.
The fact that they didn't reverse the completely unnecessary change to green tide is enough for me to just shelve them for now. Also their refusal to appropriately point the stompa is just insulting.
Da green gitz be gettin mor DAKKA!!
Ork player here, pretty happy with it but my pod plays 1k points so the only thing I got out of it is an extra stack of gretchins
Skimming through YT too fast, I thought the thumbnail said "ORKS ARE BLACK" 😂😂😂
What's wrong with black? 😂
Grimgor Ironhide would be happy to hear it
Goffs?
@@thelegendsmith3063 its not green.
The woke types seem to think that orks are a representation of black people so maybe it’s seeped into your subconscious haha
we can see after this weekend´s GT if time of the orks has come :D
Orks have to be the most up and down faction in 40k. They go from strong to weak and back again more than anyone else....maybe the only faction where their meta is also fluffy.
Orks is one army i was about start. But felt for the necrons looks. Should i as a beginner switch to orcs or should I have 2 army's of orks and necrons ?
Boyz itz time 4 da biggezt WAAAGH
Let me give -1 to wound to my gargant squigoth
"Orks Are Back", the video says.
I say we never even left. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
Looks like meks back on the menu boyz!
We are so back
Love the changes but I was literally just saying how the Cult of Speed need a real change for them to be viable. I use the buggies and stuff cause they're fun, but against the competitive players, yeah no.
Waaagh!!
Though I still would like cheaper Deff Dreads like 100pts. Also where the points drop on old Stompy?
Im glad they reverted the points nerf for MANz That was an INSANE price hyke while also dropping their once-per-game FNP, rendering them utter garbage outside of bullyboyz and just "decent" in bullyboyz for that price.
They dont hit remotely hard enough to justify that high a price.
ORK! ORK! ORK!
WHAAAAAAAAGH
Let's get stuck in boyz! WAAAAAAGH!
“Orks are here to stay”
Maybe I’m missing on the way people play these games. If a unit is good only in a certain area but are supported by other units that protect them or confuse the enemy. Why isn’t this a topic of these units?
Does no one know the sacrifice play or a pincer movement???
I didn’t even know my warboss would not get extra attacks if in transport at start of Waaagh turn. I cheated the whole time 😂
You will taste MAN FLESHHHHH!!!
Still not going to be enough to push into the higher tiers
I LOVE ORKS 🗣️‼️❗‼️❗‼️‼️‼️
WE ARE SO BACK BOYZ
Stompah still 800 points. 😢
I'll never understand why they hate stompas so much yet baneblades are way more powerful and half the price.
I had a fun idea for a new rule for Orks: That an Ork unit with matching predominant colors gains one of the following bonuses, as per the lore Orks lore about them:
🔴Bonuses to all Movement related actions.
🟡All their DAKKA shoots more bullets and hits (slightly) more accurately.
⚫️Units of this color are tougher, either through flat bonuses to stats and/or through improvements to their survivability related rolls.
⚪️All their CHOPPA and DAKKA hits harder.
🔵Bonuses to various rolls, especially ones that pertain to Stratagems and Psychic Powers.
🟣Bonuses to Cover and stealth related actions
🟢Units and their gear are all slightly cheaper, and receive smaller but more widespread buffs when compared to the more focused ones of the other colors
good idea, but enforcing that would be absolute HELL
we have subfactions anyway
@@markberghel275
Simple fix… Just give them BIG war banners as wargear that confer those bonuses as an aura depending on their color. It would be mostly the same idea but more practical, AND you would have the benefit of allowing different auras to be able to overlap (at the risk of all those bunched up units being destroyed by focused AOE munitions and powers of course.)
'Bout zoggin' time...
Its Orkin time
Boyz, wez iz so bakk
Question can you make a video on the current companies of the ultramarines and there command structure
omg deffcopters have propellors? The guy i always play who plays orks has 6 of them and not 1 has any blades on it xD
I don’t care how many point they take off. A crap unit is a crap unit, no matter how cheap.
Orksome orktober
just had a game before and after the update. idk why GW decided to buff us, but i'm loving it
Because its Orktober
42% win rate..@@Lilgoth89
i feel like orks feel way stronger than they are to worse players since they just get charged by everything and die
@@return4887 Aye, when looking at skill level orks have had a higher win rate at the lower end.
@@jamiehall814 the amount of times starting out i just got charged by everything and didnt know to counter it losing the game instantly
WAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH
funny enough, this is bad for me, i only had like 1500 pts before the update, ill probs have like 1200 now
I feel ya, my 1000pts of painted Orks is now 870.
Green down arrows and red as the highest on your thumbnail ranking videos. You’re trolling my data analyst brain, and I kinda love it
Wait did my man complain about people over watching Kommandos😂
Let's go! WAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!!!
Anyone know of a good miniature company i can use to kitbash for pigmen heads? I want to make a pOrk army
ORKTOBER WAAAAGH
Since trukks are useless without "fasta than yoos", the new waagh rule for warbosses is basically just for speedfreekz.
the 3" disembark still helps, and if placed correctly can be hard to kill when the trukk has to be popped first
@@sumsarprat If you can't charge out of a trukk and and shooters in the trukk still count as moving then its not useful. Anyone disembarking is either a sitting duck or you waste time having to charge out of cover.
@@CharlesRichelieu trukks are really good are you stupid
OH MY GOD you're the same guy who said nids and votann should be removed oh my gooood
@@return4887 Yup, and i was right about that as well.
Boyz should have been 70-75 points.
Guys, Orks are still going to be bottom-tier. A free grot unit does not a competitive army make.
It’s almost like there were more than just grot changes did we watch the same video?
They are referring to the average points saved. You basically can fit one more unit of grots.
Orks issues are in datasheets and the fact that they are off the board by t3 in most games
@@AdamBuchinskimy list got another 165 points
You guys take things way too literally. The points saved will not change our status as the worst army in Pariah. That’s the point I’m making.
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May e you could talk about the nerfs to BT? Seems really unnecessary, especially for a faction that has a bellow 50% win rate?? Would love to hear your opinion??
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2nd ed overwatch was better
How are u printing all these videos. It doesnt make sense.
🙄some buffs are totally unnecessary..
Orks weren't that bad. Most Metachaser were just moved on to SM-Elves.
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Waaaaaaagh!!!
Your a meganob lol jk
They're kinda OP tbh. They're unbelievable fast and the melee is extremely scary. Gaz having a 2+ invul save until you wound and kill his little gobbo buddy beyond annoying.
I play World Eaters. This is crap.
Nope, still trash
I just fucking hate this edition as codex marine player, orcs were still stronger than us and just 4 months were weak.... and here we are codex marines with huge nerf and orcs got buff. Insane
im goonign dude
Orks weren't that much stronger, a couple of percent points and SMs had 2 tourney wins over Orks 0 in Pariah Nexus. SMs suffer from divergent chapters benefiting from the codex, which leads to codex compliant armies suffering and is something GW said they're going to look at later this year.