Vinnie Politan Investigates: Text Messages & Timelines in Karen Read Trial
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Court TV's Vinnie Politan analyzes text messages in the case against #KarenRead. Plus, a look into the witnesses' timelines surrounding the death of Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe.
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If she ran him over in that reenactment or not just hit him How were both arms scratched up with wolverine or Freddy Kuger through a sweatshirt and punctuating his skin
INTERESTING this channel never discusses the fit health app data that puts him in that house. ONE of many reasons why I avoid this channel.
Hey Vinnie…John didn’t adopt his niece & nephew…he was just raising them. He had custody of them.
@@SusanH578 Vinnie gets alot of things wrong.
“Open for business” ? Do all men talk about women in such a demeaning way? And they do it on panels, like it’s normal.
I get what Karen was doing, but I didn’t see a text from Karen saying ‘legs open and waiting’ or nothing of the sort. Sounded like Karen needed a confidence boost because she was hanging with this nauseating crowd.
Amen.
We need to find out that guy's name and write him a couple things or two about how to treat women especially on national TV
I caught the, THAT WAS HORRIBLE
When I heard that come out of his mouth I almost spit out my coffee. It's one thing for a man to think that, but this guy thought that it was okay to say out loud on National TV. As a woman, Brian is giving off needy, insecure vibes, that would have me ghosting him too!!
The women much!
We know for a fact -
*DOG WAS REHOMED
*BASEMENT WAS DUG UP
*HOUSE WAS SOLD
*MR. ALBERT RETIRED
*HIGGINS CELL PHONE WAS DESTROYED
*MISSING VIDEO EVIDENCE
There is more that I can't think of now...
Didn’t one of the women on the stand say Colin wasn’t IN the house at THE SAME time as John. So John WAS in the house!
If I was on the jury, I’m not sure I would find any of the police testimony credible. I’m not necessarily saying a coverup, but they destroyed this case. How scary is this?! Imagine if this was you and you didn’t have big lawyer money? I don’t think we will ever know what happened to John.
Their reports aren't even accurate, and they admitted this on the stand. Combined with mysterious tail light pieces showing up that aren't documented and a random piece of glass on the bumper that doesn't match any of the glass around JO's body. Technically, we STILL don't even know how JO died. Why does he have puncture wounds and lacerations on his arm? We are a month into the trial and we have not seen the ME and we have nothing to say that Karen hit JO with her car.
bungled investigation - suspicious potential cover up
likely we will never know what happened to John ................
We know he was bitten by a dog and appeared to have been beaten with blunt force trauma to the back of his head resulting in skull fracture...and 3 DNA samples from him yet none of the 9 people in the house were tested to find out if they may match,why???
It was identified he had no dog bite, so many ppl not paying attention to this case, only the ones that know Karen’s the only one guilty
@VictoriaGray-yq2gd were you there?
Wow so you have a drink with a girl and she’s open for business? There is so much wrong with that sentence.
Especially Coming from a lawyer
He should not of said that! He sounds like a pig. What about Brian, he wasn't open for business?!
@@vickivallencourt9068 I cannot fathom that Karen thought Brian Higgins was hot. She wanted to see if she still had it when she felt bad about John kissing another woman. Then Brian saw her lovey-dovey with John and said, "What?" He probably thought they were done, and clearly, they weren't. Brian then texted her, "Well," like what is going on? She clearly preferred John. He did not take it well and maybe things went wrong at Brian Albert's house.
It’s such a problematic statement. Clearly shows this man’s bias against women. What an embarrassing person to have as a guest.
Don't forget he asked her if she was moving to Canton. If he wasn't taking things seriously - he wouldn't have asked.
I'm a woman. Yes, Karen flirting with Brian over texts makes her look bad. But it doesn't make her look like a murderer.
no, but it create a motive.
And it doesn’t make her look as bad as the actual investigator sending texts to everyone and their momma that were as disturbing and disgusting as those. The audacity of proctor sitting there like a kid who just got caught taking something…not a grown man being sorry. Ugh
Her 53 vms will!!!
It makes her look like someone with poor self control.
She had no motive to kill John. Some people are trapped in relationships-married, with children, shared property, maybe even one partner supporting the other and they become desperate and think they have no way out and make terrible decisions.
Some people think they can’t be with anyone else and their future is only with their partner and they become enraged when it ends.
Karen is the opposite. Karen was not married, shared no children with him, was financially independent, with her own home. All those texts proved was she considered for a few weeks moving on from her relationship with John.
Her conversations with Higgins talked about her freedom and how she felt they were in similar places. Who wanted something more in those conversations? Higgins. When their short lived “relationship” whatever you would call it ended with Karen ghosting Higgins.
Who had motive? Higgins.
" open for business that night " 😡. Shame on you, how dare you speak about a woman like that 😡 shouldn't be allowed on here again
This guy Joseph is shocking, what a moron, clearly stupid.
100% right Nicola. A disgraceful, misogynistic, vulgar rant by a guest who should know better. I was shocked and disappointed that VP allowed it.
Shame on you joe!
I'm in shock he said that
I didn't know having a drink talking to someone ment you were open for business I guess that's why so many women get raped
Everyone should be upset at the mere fact of all of the things these "officers" did throughout this case! The phones, the lies, changing stories so many times, missing video, supposed butt dials (we all know that when your phone is locked that you have to unlock it) there is SO much more that I've left out but this many coincidences are not going to happen, period. Something is very wrong here, very wrong!
Very corrupt indeed
EXACTLY! WELL STATED!
The man who said “she was open for business” because she was flirting has no understanding of women. He probably blames the abused women for how she dresses. Just because she never wanted kids doesn’t mean she didn’t embrace or understand the position with those kids. Give me a break. Nick was right… this was her getting validation after Aruba.
I am amazed how cold, people can talk about this case. It is a very sad story of real people and regardless of which theory you believe, every person's life has been turned upside down. The one lesson I definitely feel should be learned here is avoid alcohol if you are already in an emotional part of your life.
I know that was horrific. Flirting means open for business?
Karen Read initiated the Higgins incident Higgins could not understand Karen was a SWINGER and ready for sex
How does a woman with M.S. and Crohn’s disease chose to give birth. Her age, MS, Crohn’s all are 3 factors that make her high risk to herself and a fetus.
As far as her relationship with John goes if I went on vacation with my bf and his children and he left me with all the responsibility while he went out drinking till all hours especially on New Year’s Eve. Any partner would be livid! For all the reasons to with our relationship, he also left his children alone with no idea or ability to make their own plans bc JO chose to be an inconsiderate partner, parent that night. Any Women married or otherwise would have been upset.
every time I see this guy he is disgusting. I don’t think Brian Higgins started the fight but I think he was in that house when bad crap went down and he feels so loyal to the McAlberts and Ken Berkowitz (former chief), that he had to stay on their side with the stories in the aftermath. And no, Karen does not look bad. She looks like a woman whose boyfriend was taking her for granted and using her as a surrogate mother to his niece and nephew. Add the Aruba situation where he cheated and she was thinking why am I taking care of this dudes adopted kids when he cheats on me? Those tests to Brian Higgins were all about her trying to sort out how she was being treated by John OKeefe. JO seems like a great guy but even the best guys will allow a woman to do all the housework and caretaking and she was over it. She never wanted kids and he was using her as a nanny and housecleaner by the end. She was 100% framed and this Joseph K and the other dude Yellowtail or whatever on this channel are definitely mysoginists afraid of successful women, they prove it every time they talk. I can’t wait for Karen to sue the f*ck out of everyone involved and the state of Massachusetts.
Vinnie, I trust you. I did my own checks on my phone and computer. I leave open windows all the time. I wrote down times and searches using old windows and making new windows. I did this over a week. All of the history data matched to the actual search times, not the window open and closing times. The expert never clearly answered the question as to what time the very first search took place. She only answered when the subsequent searches took place. It may be because that search was deleted, I don’t know. If all this is true, the only way to make it work is to use another phone and prove this happens. I thought she was very vague in her answers and trying to confuse the jury. 🤷🏼♀️
Of course, she was vague and sometimes threw so much confusing info.
Thank you for doing this. That clears it up for me
She also dismissed any possibility that it could be any other way than her theory
They can’t use another phone to show it… as that would be sustained as hypothetical evidence
Hit the back of head off the side walk but BOUNCED 10 ft up the lawn.. 😂 its 24mph! Wdf is actually wrong with these people!
only turtleboy's saying he bounced & flew through the air. drink more turtle juice. probably crawled & attempted to stand, falling on his back.
But wheres all the blood,??? If he got hit outside the ground would be covered in red!! Head wounds bleed a lot!!! And his clothes would have more than they did..also car would have blood and hair in crevices..not just 1 hair!! Snow would be red..crazy people in the house..
He wasn't killed by the impact, so he could have moved, he died by hypothermia.
@@BoxerCloverthen you explain how it happened. The commonwealths own witness doesn’t have a clue. How can you conclude what happened to a person when their injuries can’t be explained?
Arm broke the back tail light of a car driving 20 mph but no broken bones. Can’t roll my eyes hard enough on that one.
Who caaaaaares if Karen was a flirt. It was clear that she was only flirting with Brian bcz John kissed someone else. And it doesn’t mean she ran him over!! Aside from that, his body was beat up, not ran over!!
EXACTLY
His body wasn’t beat up only is face and right arm
I agree 100%
Yes!!
I have still the question why Higgins threw his phone and Sim card away. Never ever heard of someone buying a new phone and throwing the old one away.... i thought only criminals do this for a reason....
lol you’re the kind of person who could be shown a video of her hitting him with a car and still not believe it.
I am typically a police supporter. This case has thrown me. I certainly do not believe she murdered him
Me too. Now I’m questioning everything thanks to Trooper Proctor. And that’s not my fault; the officers out there can thank people like Proctor and his police buddies.
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468Proctor's a POS- no question. shoulda been fired. but his crappy behavior doesn't mean KR's isn't guilty. only that maybe it'll be declared a mistrial.
@@BoxerClover, let’s wait until the end of the trial , there’s more to come , the defence has yet to present their evidence. And the rear lens was not smashed according to Jen mc cabe and her friend at that time , and when proctor went to tow the car , the police officer that was called to assist with the tow actually said the lens was just cracked with only a piece missing . So that’s 3 people who stated under oath that that rear lens was cracked ,Not smashed off . The lens was clearly smashed in the sally port , it’s the only conclusion to come to ,
That cop clearly stated it was not smashed off
@@Chis56yes, that’s what I’m waiting for. I’m waiting for both sides. But so far all the prosecution has shown me are coverups and lies by the lead investigator and his buddies.
@@Chis56 I agree. Watching the sally port video there’s a scene near the end where the officers group together and appear to do a ‘fist bump’ pact gesture. Strange!
FLIRTING WITH another guy doesn't mean she's a MURDERER. She didn't have to stay with a guy she wasn't married to, didn't have children with and didn't share property with. If she wanted out of the relationship she was in, all she had to do as WALK AWAY. There is plenty of evidence nation wide of cops conspiring to cover for the misdeeds of their comrades.
Especially stay w a guy who wasn’t showing appreciation for her attempts to help him w his niece & nephew. He was drinking more, staying out late which gave her no choice but to stay inside a home that wasn’t hers w kids that could be adorable but weren’t hers.
the defense says she couldn’t have done it because they were a great couple. meanwhile the text messages proves she said she was single and kissed someone else so obviously it wasn’t a great couple.
Yes no reason to murder him in order to get out of the relationship. I think John accused Brian of coming on to Karen, he hit him, John loses his balance, falls and cracks his head. I think it was an accident in the house that was covered up. IMO.
Those are all facts. She had zero motive to kill him, but we still don’t know enough about that group of officers. Something tells me they do have motive.
Jennifer gave alot of reasonable doubt. She lied so much under oath.
If Karen was flirting with Brian it is less of a motive to me. It may be a motive to Brian but not Karen. Karen wasn’t going to gain anything by killing John. She could leave at anytime.
She also stopped talking to Higgins.
@@darlingdeb7010 Yes, she probably realized she did wrong and truly loved John. No reason to kill him. Now, the other cops may have had a reason; just saying.
Made more money than him too. She was set!
@md8465 agreed. personally, I think she was still believing that JO cheated on her in Aruba and had an emotional reaction. She reached out to another fellow officer to spite JO. Kind of like a "if he can do it, I'll show him how it feels" type of thing. Higgins appears to be a man wh*re so he was the obvious abd safe choice. But it's clear her heart wasn't in it, and she quickly discovered that JO didn't do anything in Aruba. So she cut Higgins off immediately, which was easy to do because her only motivation to do it in the first place is now gone (figuring out JO didn't cheat). Is it immature? Very! But this entire group seems to be that way lol. Either way, I agree that it's not much, if any, motive to kill JO.
The white haired guy. Karen was drinking. She was flirty. She wasn’t out to end someone’s life.
she surely didn't mean to. but she did end someone's life.
But she did… so since she’s only drunk she shouldn’t be punished?
Well it wasn’t crossing her mind even at 12 but when she slammed him and he went down she would have thought omfg, what have I just done. People panic and leave a hit and run and that’s why it’s called hit and run. She ran. She freaked out. Called him 53 times and prayed he answered. When he didn’t she went back at 5:15 to view her dirty work. Then rings Roberts and states John is dead before hanging up. Then she put on a Betty Davis acting exhibition to try and bluff her way around it and had witnesses there to help. She admitted to hitting him.
@@BoxerCloverDriving trashed causes severe consequences.She has one to live with.JMO
@MadameAugustbutterfly9791 I agree with you whoever that white haired guy is. She probably had a couple glasses of wine and just started flirting. Innocent flirting. Nothing went anywhere and I didn't hear any testimony that she showed up at Brian's apartment when did that happen? It was just one night of flirting. Nobody's saying that Brian premeditated this but John could have found the text messages and could have confronted Brian. We don't know that could be the cover up right there
Vinnie--regardless of all of the confusing and sometimes crazy court case, I appreciate the fact that you take time to honor John. He and his family deserve so much better. Thanks so much!
John and his family don't deserve pink psychopaths or Media like court TV lying about the facts and evidence in the case getting people to support Karen the kop killer, it's disgusting to see and for John's family to have to go into court every day with these TB minions shouting and cussing at them wanting the person who killed John to go free
@@JenniferRay-h1i
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Well said, imagine seeing all the lies created to get KR off her 2nd degree charges
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🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 r.i.p John . pray for justice
Mr O’Keefe died in that house and was thrown out in the snow
Nice theory but zero evidence. 9 people were in that house at various times and none of them support that conspiracy.
Prove it
I don't think he died inside the house but I do think it's likely possible something happened in or around the outside of that house.
Absolutely agree 👍🏻 3 people's DNA on John's clothes including John's so why no Swap the 9 people??? Their covering their crime and blaming Karen!!!!
@@Meowser186 , the guests don’t have to have seen a thing , the basement is hidden area .also has access to the outside . Two,people could have done the deed and no one upstairs would have been the wiser .
The cover up would be easy all they had to do lie to the guests , not rocket science and is a possibility.
SHAME ON YOU JEN McCABE👎😢💯
Shame on you Kathy670. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Kathy Agree 100%.
@@Meowser186yes she does! Jen McCabe should be ashamed
@@Jmmw25 you should be ashamed. What do really know?
@@Meowser186 hell I don’t she is a snake 🪱
“Open for business that night”- yuck Joseph, just yuck 🤢
Did he really just say she was “open for business”? WOW!!! It doesn’t make her guilty of murder if she was feeling stifled in her relationship with two kids to have think about when you never wanted kids. It just makes her human.
Another disgusting pig
He meant open to having sex
@@tonystevenson26 no sh*t. still disgusting to say.
@@BoxerClover Not really. She told him she never wanted kids so why is it so awful? She was being up front and honest. They weren’t her kids and she might have felt trapped and resented having to care for someone else’s kids. Not every woman has that maternal instinct and thats her prerogative.
This guy acts like he knew John O'Keefe. Law enforcement as a whole is like a gang. They will cover up for each other no matter what. This women needs to go free .
Read the first part of you comment and then the last. Law enforcement is like a gang, so they tend to kill their own in a vengeful quest against a big headed woman? What's the revenge or hatred for if she's done nothing to one of their own to begin with? This is the scary logic I'm hearing from you all. It's like you get emotional at one thing or another and completely throw everything else in the garbage.
@@jokatechthis!!! John was one of them!
John can’t speak for himself so thank goodness some people are advocating for John. He deserves justice ❤
@@jokatechYes! Doesn’t everyone know that defense attorneys who know their client is guilty just think of the best story and the best way to discredit the facts in a case?!
@@jokatechare you seriously just learning about human nature?
These flirting messages are so cringe.
8 mcalberts hea
What is cringe is that the prosecution made him go through these messages as though they were relevant, and to impeach her character.
@@theoryneutral agree!
From jump
.....hahaha
@@smurf902 his surely. she seems like feeling lonely.
Not guilty. Proctor's bias and even hatred for Karen makes all evidence unreliable beyond a reasonable doubt.
No doubt !!
proctor playing make believe proctologist
He did not know Karen, so all those opinions he got about Karen came from Jen McCade and Carrie Robert’s! The things that Jen said that left her in shock and horror may have been that Karen pooped her pants! do you know if Carrie said she was nothing but a glorified babysitter that would not disturb her that badly. Tell him what those women said about Karen, but they’re definitely the source of his nasty texts about Karen.
@@MimiDidi121 evil Jen Skeletor
Solo cups. Hiding which shoe was shown in court. Why not show they matched? So many why questions. I hope this jury also saw through the alleged drink count. Ridiculous! Lally is criminal. Good little trainee under his crooked boss!
One thing I've always wondered is why all those cops would let Karen drive after drinking all night? I would expect law enforcement, of all people, to call her a cab or find a sober driver.
Higgins admits to the court to drink driving , proctor admits to drink driving, how many more of these cops drink drive , because they think they are above the law . They all know it wrong and do not care
Maybe she wasn’t that drunk. I know she was drinking, but I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting how much. The witnesses who was counting drinks on that video…I was watching but did not see it. I felt completely gaslit! The receipt did show anything. The blood test was done improperly, and a joke.
@katieh193 I don’t think Karen would have accepted a ride or an Uber.
good point. she was "hysterical. and drunk" according to the state witnesses and yet they let her drive back
They were ALL WASTED that night !!! Including the family members !!!
Why is flirting for two grown adults who aren’t married “sleazy?”
Cause she was in a relationship with the guy’s friend. Pay attention.
they were both in relationships. that is called cheating.
Okay, got it, to flirt = murder, riiiight.
Well, if yer a grl
The texts messages mean nothing, it was just flirting!
Because there's alcohol involved and a bunch of cops with big egos. The prosecution is sure giving a lot of reasonable doubt
Kevin is a joke. Why is Court TV giving Kevin credit. Couples don’t kill over arguments, she gets nothing, insurance, pension, any assets.
are u 1 of those cicadas that's been living underground for the last 2 decades? couples absolutely have killed 'over arguments'- regardless of whether they stand to gain anything or not.
I agree, he is ridiculous! Karen would have never tried to take John away from those kids. Kevin has never been in an intimate relationship so he is clueless about that.
@@BoxerClover😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 not the cicadas 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅Jessica Hyde popped her balloon knot so bad she could barely walk 😊😊 the defense questioned her for 3 min if that , but spent 2 hours on Jen …. The state is setting them up all the way , even the news ran up on her after the trail was over just to sense her vibe …. She was deflated
It shows how partial Court TV is to the Mc Albert Higgins gang.
Kevin is one of the Albert's lawyer's.
He's Colin's lawyer.
@@kristenpino4635 Kevin is in a relationship.
He has had a relationship with the Albert's
I'm one minute into the video so I don't know if you already state this, but here goes:
1. Brian Albert is a known violent hot head. He has beaten up other cops and his father got him out of it. He is a violent drunk and allegedly does other drugs as well.
2. Higgins is his protege and butt dialing buddy. (the embodiment of a "butt buddy"...) Higgins would do anything for Albert.
3. Colin Albert idolizes his big bad uncle Brian Albert and wants to be just like him
4. Everyone is afraid of Brian Albert
5. Higgins had a serious thing for Karen Read. It didn't matter she was with another cop. Higgins and Albert are violent psychopaths.
6. John O'Keefe saw the text messages between Higgins and Karen
7. John walked into the garage, where Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, Colin Albert, and Chloe the German Shepherd were
8. John either confronts Higgins about the texts, or a drunk hopped-up Higgins or Brian Albert intentionally poke John by asking, "Where's Karen?" Or maybe Colin Albert - who had a problem with John - mouths off.
9. It got physical very fast. Higgins could have thrown the first punch, or maybe John did. The dog got involved right away. It was quickly 4-on-1 and then someone either hit John in the back of the head, or he fell backward into the weightlifting equipment.
10. It quickly became an, "OH F*CK! WHAT JUST HAPPENED???" moment. It was not intentional. It all happened extremely quickly.
11. Jen McCabe was not aware of what was going on and had just happened in the garage and was honestly looking for John. She was recruited within a 1/2 hour to start figuring out how to deal with this.
12. It's possible the McCabes thought they should come clean with this but it was Brian Albert, I believe, who said "NO f*cking way. I ain't going down for this." or "We're not letting Colin go down for this." Whatever.
13. And because everyone is afraid of Brian Albert, everyone who knew anything about what actually happened in the basement basically took a "blood oath" to cover it up and frame Karen - and never ever ever ever rat on each other.
All drunk male morons with huge egos and no looks to go with it.
Ridiculous! You base this fabrication on WHAT now?
I can't believe all the drinking and driving going on in squad cars
You are very aware. I appreciate your intelligence, as well. I'll argue very little with all you said, however I'll add that Higgins plowed John off to the side of the road. Why else would Higgins admit he started to drive away but his plow was down. He just HAD to present an alibi of him twice plowing there despite very little snow. Its also why he went to Canton PD. To clean his jeep and plow!
@@EmberRNhe is correct. 99.9%
Im a police supporter, but something really stinks in this case
Don't worry, It's just Karen's leaky balloon knot.
@@falcosirrus8620 you're just as bad as the "free karen" people 😂
Back the blue till something happens to you
@mandagodin5075 well, I'm Canadian and we're not so rabidly crazy one way or the other like Americans are. We tend to look at each case individually, ya know...like sane educated folks do
@@darlingdeb7010the free Karen people? Are they the individuals that have a problem with blood being collected in red solo cups and grocery store bags? Go figure.
SHAME ON YOU OFFICER PROCTOR 👎😢💯
It’s not officer, it’s trooopaaah
Priceless!!😂 Ajax for president
Alan Jackson is a beast
He is vile and disgusting for all those texts he sent OMG!!
And having to read it,out loud,in open court== PRICELESS
Why did Higgins and Brian Albert get rid of their phones the day before the order to preserve their cell phone as evidence. If we had those phones, we would know who went where, took steps and drove and when these things happened. If nothing to hide, why did BOTH get rid of their phones. Something stinks!
Because they were obviously talking smack about KR in the following months and may have had other things on their phones they did not want their peers to see. This proves nothing. I would not want my phone info out there either for any defense lawyer to twist..
And who gave them the heads up on phone court order going in to effect the next day?
Josef please, stop hating Karen. Your voice is full of hate.......Did you ever heard of "Fake News"?! 😁
these texts sound like grade 7 kids texting
It's pretty pathetic
I knew from jump
Those texts were a snooze fest, rated G
Sorry Joseph, flirting does not mean murder.
"THATS A SIGN SHES OPEN FOR BUIISSNESS "!!!!! Jesus, that was rough!
Implying she was in heat
How can anybody believe a word that comes out of Jenn McAlbert’s mouth?
Who?
Maybe liers as her🤔.
@@sarasmilesco8551I think they meant Jennifer McCabe.
If her mouth is open, she’s lying!
Oh I believe her. She has no reason to lie.
What I like about Vinnie is that he always shows compassion for the victims.
not like the Creators on You Tube who is being paid by Yanetti and Jackson
Also no one reports as much as him
@@caroljacques4243Vinnie gets paid by the FOP
I like him too!!
@@sabbathsermonthetypistYou've got that right. Vinnie has kept Madeline Soto in the news and I don't think he'll stop reporting on that tragedy until justice is served and SS is convicted and sentenced. I really enjoy listening to Vinnie's passion and empathy when he reports on true crime cases.
I dont think it was injurious for Karen at all. Ive done the same thing trying to make my boyfriend Jealous because of him flirting with his ex. I dont think Brian Higgins intended to M John but I think they may have had words in the house got into it as to why Brian was texting and flirting with his Girlfriend. He probably seen Karens text conversation with Brian and John confronted him so they got into it John and Brian and fought along with Collin and Chloe the dog attacked John and the boys clobbered John and he died. That's why Brian, voluntarily got just the text messages extracted because they needed to scheme up a motive to frame Karen. But he had to get rid of his phone because the plot was on the phone that he destroyed.
So what did they do to save their asses, Yep they drug John out of the house through the side gate, thats why his shoe came off and had none of his Jackets on because they left them inside the house. They left JO in the snow to die. Proctor hated Karen all the name calling why? Because these people were his friends and what better way to justify framing someone by degrading her so its easy to frame her. They (POLICE & FRIENDS) all got together and framed her. These are not nice little boys here these are Powerful cops. Thats my story and Im sticking to it! Period.....
YES!
Agree
I agree. It's obvious proctor hates KR even though he didn't know her at the time. He says all of the foul language is because he believes she's responsible for JO's death yet those first text started just a few hours into the investigation, before there was anything that could link her to the death.
Proctor is scum
Open for business?!! Do you also blame rape victims for how they dress?? Wtf.. every girl on earth has flirted to make a boyfriend give more attention. How dare you suggest a text message is an open invitation for everything else. Disgusting.
I don't believe KR to be innocent, but I'm 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗴𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 by many of the opinions in both the video and the comment section. As a woman, I appreciate you saying this. Best to you. ♡
You know Karen only wanted to use Higgins to Piss off John. She would not be seen on an Aruban Beach w him.
Cheating is trashy, dishonest, and abusive behavior. However, it doesn't make her a murderer.
If they r all single they can go out with as many people they want to. Married and acting single is totally cheating. Even if Karen was single and with John then so what
They were all drinking heavily Vinnie. Literally anyone could have done anything to him with no other explanation besides being extremely intoxicated.
Those poor children. First they lose their mom and dad and then they lose their uncle who stepped up to raise them. 😔
Why wasn't a warrant served on all their cell phones?
Because they were cops and cop family members.
Why are you going through these boring texts. There's nothing to them. She's just doing what most women do when they think their partner is taking the p***. Giving him something to think about. She wasn't interested in Higgins. Come on let's be real here. Look at him 😂😂😂😂
she seemed to be VERY interested in him. & we all have different tastes.
@@BoxerCloveroh please. She wanted to get the attention of John back, she just picked an immature way of going about it. She did this after what happened at Aruba and she ghosted this guy. Very immature way of getting back at him, but that’s what she did. I do think Higgins was jealous as hell and mad he got ghosted.
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 exactly. It was her way of letting John know she can do the same thing. To give him a jab
@@AileenBartlett-ym4ecexactly!
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 u must be clairvoyant. or making excuses. probably the latter, seeing as Jackson never even alluded to that in ANY of his cross examinations of ANY witnesses.
Higgins claims to have left before John even got there. And then checked into work at 1:30.
It takes 3 seconds to get to the Canton PD, so what did he do for an hour?
Give me a flippin’ break.
Higgins and the 3 Alberts (including Chloe) murdered John.
And the entire extended McAlbert clan acted guilty as sin afterward.
Justice is coming.
karen was an overly jealous & crazy girlfriend . she definitely killed John . whether it was on purpose or not is the only question
Karen even invited Brian to come on over to her place
Anyone who thinks the injuries to John O'Keefe were from being backed into are delusional...😂😂
Yea, I’m not sure how hitting a person would shatter the tail light like that. Lexus is top of the line.
@@Jessica-vz7sq he wouldn't of had two black, swollen eyes and a cut on the back of his head
I KNOW , it's soooo obvious
@@jmc8626Or blunt force trauma to the back of his head plus a skull fracture. Also no injuries anywhere else other than right forearm? Does not match up.....
After trying to get in her pants, the fact that he keeps referring to her as defendant tells you everything you need to know about corrupt cops.
To save u guys time, a summary of the Higgins and Karen texts is as follows:
“I like you”
“You like me?”
“I like you too”
“You really like me?”
“How long have you liked me?”
“Why do you like me?”
“You sure you like me?”
End of the story.
Karen’s car did not cause those injuries. Praying that we will soon find out what/who did.
It's obvious
Its very simple
she was drunk, alone, and was looking for company but when she sobered up she realized that Brian was a clown and wanted nothing to do with him thats why she ignored him after that
Why does BH get rid of his car, destroying his phone, and then getting rid of it on a military base. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
because he had trash talk on his phone along the lines of what proctor had to read out in open court he took the heat for getting rid of his phone rather than end up like proctor … proctor was too slow 😂
Scary to think what else he found needed destroying so badly on that phone !!
Karen told Brian Higgins that Brian Albert was acting strange towards John O'Keefe not long before he was found dead on the Albert's lawn. 🤔🤔🤔
Was that in the texts?
That's why , I think he fell backwards and fatally cracked his head whilst they were hitting him , I think it was someone too young to understand and young enough for everyone to protect. Let's also ask, what was the gift for Proctor for? He didn't answer what he did for a gift?
He didn’t receive a gift.
And you believe that, how? From the mouth of a liar on the stand? @@Bex-rg8pj
@@Bex-rg8pj he was offered a gift and admitted he said “ give the gift to my wife “
@@Chis56 Exactly.
@@Chis56and did you also catch he said “she hasn’t received a gift “yet”-meaning he has received gifts before, she hasn’t. I can’t stand him. He’s got me questioning my support of the police, tbh. Look at what he and his police buddies have done.
Vinnie!!! That's one of the oldest relationship game in the book. Karen and John have a fight in Aruba. She kisses Higgins on the cheek by the door camera to make John mad. The texts are the same thing. Very vague text to string him along. Not surprised she then goes silent and ghosts Higgins, but that must have been when Karen and John talk/fight about it and solve their issues. She hardly even looked at Higgins at the bar. This was a total nothing burger on Karen's part.
It wasn't a kiss on the cheek.
If she ignored him at the bar she certainly didn't want to be at the after hours party where things could be brought up !!!
Ryan Nagel is an honest witness, straight up and down .
Quite possibly the only honest witness
All three of them in the Ford truck were very credible witnesses to me. And they only saw Karen in the car when they left. They also didn’t see a broken taillight when they were parked behind Karen.
All the guys of the world, if a woman is flirting with you and you respond like Higgins, you will end up ghosted
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Yeah, he should have said he wanted her raw monkey love ! 🤪
Closed for business
This show is so slanted towards the prosecutor every time it's disgusting..the other day you and that prosecutor cheerleader Kevin were making seem like the defense has to prove the cover up the other night. Incorrect just need reasonable doubt which is in abundance here. Now it's three prosecution yes men debating one rational citizen.
oh. look. it's. a. 🐢.
Can’t wait for Karen’s VM! How bout you?
PLEASE lose the stupid, ridiculous, unnecessary, horrid background music. Just a suggestion; it's aggravating & mind-numbing
The producer thought it was.... hawt !
Indeed it SUCKS!!!!!
This texting conversation is so juvenile, so Middle school, on both parts.
Vinnie I love this show and all the other work you’ve done over the years.thank you for always being fair
Good lord that flirty text exchange was nauseating 😂. Circular, passive, juvenile… I’m hoping they were both drunk 😂😂😂
Your guest shows his own masagionistic biases
Grotesque
Agree! Unbelievable!
Misogynistic
If I were a juror I wouldn’t think anything about the texts except Higgins could have been pissed he got ghosted.
What's up with all these stupid texts?
They can't ACTUALLY TALK to each other???? Seems juvenile😮
My thoughts exactly. Are these people really over 40? Makes me ashamed of the ish I’ve sent 😂
Texting is an addiction in alot of cases
Vinnie you need better guests
Open for business?? 👩💼 this is the problem no need for disgusting terminology
Agreed.
the rwo children have went through hell. too much tragedy for this family.
And Karen did not like the 2 children that John O'Keefe adopted...
I believe no one set out to kill anyone that night... but you have a house party and have 2 males that have a history of fighting /drinking and one has severely injured others in the past... Normally I would never believe cops would randomly want to put innocent people in jail or focus on only one person right away. But this is different because the police are connected. They have relationships, friendships with people involved and thats where it gets complicated.
Colin and Brian 👊 f
So they couldnt ask for everyone phone and see which ones pins at the house at the time of the murder? I can see my timeline walking to the school to drop my kids every single day and walking back home. Im sure everyone had their phones since they werw blowing off each others. I would subpoena all of them. Now we are watching this circus of a trial
With that level of corruption going on, he must have known something.
RIGHT! And they didn't trust him. "TRAINING DAY"
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Everything the state has presented so far is backed by reasonable doubt. Are they ever going to get to the part where she hit him or continue to bore us with speculation and opinions?
We still don't even know how he died. We are a month in and no ME. Why does he have puncture wounds on his arm? And this accident reconstruction dude is about to be torn to pieces in cross on Monday. At this point, I have no idea if Karen did or didn't do it. From what I'm seeing, this investigation was completely botched.
sorry you're 'bored' but it's not about entertaining anyone.
His injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car
There's is no way John was hit by karens car. The testimony of that cop/dr/phone expert on Friday 😂😂 was laughable. How he described as to what happened was so funny I couldn't stop laughing. John's cause of death was reported as undetermined.
Karen was feeling out new boyfriend material because this one didn't have kids.
Flirting with people is one of the most fun things to do.
Listening to other people flirt is one of the most cringy, insufferable things in the world
And this is why all flirting should be done in person or, if one must, over the phone. Much less likely to show up in a court case or some other embarrassing situation.
Hi Vinnie 💕 happy weekend from Scotland. John O'Keefe sounds like such a lovely guy
Nick is hilarious blaming Higgins for the texting, when it was clear Karen initiated it. In his mind never has any culpability for anything.
It doesn’t look good for Karen. Manipulation is something that men and women equally dislike.
Waiting for the experts.
On the other hand, I wonder how the jury members feel about being manipulated with the reversed video the prosecution tried to sneak in. Or the many times the ADA will have a witness look at a taillight clearly glowing red and tell the jury it’s all broken out and it’s actually white? Being gaslit like that really sucks.
I love Vinnie too. He is a trooper and opened minded, he sees the best in everyone. He is really professional and his breakdown of cases are just the best.,
Not so much on the Kohberger case though
So reminiscent of the witch trials. A group of people attacking one person through lies and manipulation. These trials are just short of the rack.
Have to agree
that's not what gaslighting even means. 🙄
Just sitting here, listening to the very beginning when you said who would ever do it. The person that pops into my head immediately is Collin. Strained relationship between he and John due to John’s yard and the Alberts taunted him about it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure but that is what my Spidey senses tell me.
Great job covering this story 🙏
All these ppl fabricating insane stories about the neighborhood witnesses colluding should be held accountable. KR: guilty!
Are we following the same trial???
@@MaggieMaeMattare you?? Looks like you just following the media hype. I went into this trial believing the cover up, but the evidence in trial prove otherwise. Her attorneys are great at creating reasonable doubt though. OJ had great defence team too, but he was still guilty and so is KR.
Drugs were being sold in the neighborhood apparently
@@heliciamareeUh No OJ wasn't. Glen Rogers killed Nicole. My Brother The Serial Killer Documentary proved that. Police lie more than they dont😂
1:38 sounds like lots of things happened.. all alcohol fueled.. cops, amiright?
Higgy was hammered.
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"open for business" sir! 😂😀,got me clutching my invisible Pearl's lol.
Open for business means prepared to have sex
Perhaps! So far no smoking gun for defense just poor attempts to bully witnesses.
The smoking gun is that his injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car
I think a tragic accident that has been greatly exaggererated by the state and boosten police
Mirroring? Karen contacted Brian - yet she thinks John is cheating.
He shows up at police canton at 130. So he clearly left closer to 1am.
The defense has to bring in their own experts to neutralize the prosecution experts
I'm from the area. I promise you Karen is innocent and the killers are the Alberts. It was not purposefully done. What was purposefully done was that they did leave him to die.
I promise you she's 1000% innocent
Colin and Brian Albert, murderers. The rest of them conspirators.
🤦🏻♂️ i'm from the area, too, & nah. no way.
Gotta agree it smells just like you depict
@@BoxerClover👮♂️
It’s crazy all of these adult people act like this and have all of this drama surrounding them. Exhausting to do this in your 40s beyond high school.
I have been saying all along that I think Brian Higgins snow plow injured him. I think he got cut and sliced by the snow plow.
I'm not going to lie, his arm looks like standard dog bites to me. The punctures and the lacerations caused by a dog not getting a good grip, and ripping the skin as both JO pulls his arm away and the dog pulls his head away.
If she wanted out of the relationship - she should have never dropped him off at the house - she should have let someone else take him to the house party and took herself home.
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Why do you upload trial snippets from WEEKS ago!!!