And we cap off the Hollow Knight adventure (for now!) with a highly requested video. I would like to state that a lot of this video does not give me any major revelations of "wow so cool I am learning so much!" because we did take in a lot of this information during my playthrough itself! If this video brought you here, and you'd like to see my first time reactions, thoughts, theories and feelings to the big stuff in this lovely world and story we've experienced, my full playthrough can be found here! ruclips.net/p/PLhnazjUB_WkKZmlbbZyLYF4b7k3UlzJAu
Yeah you did a pretty good job piecing things together by the end yourself, so the video wasn't too important for you, but there were some neat details he mentioned in passing like the 4th destroyed throne he mentioned which belonged to the Traitor lord :D
If you complete just some of the bindings in easier patheons, it will give you something helpful for P5. Not too mention, it gives you practice without having to practice in the Hall of Gods. Doing this allowed me to beat P5 in 3 attempts, only dying to Markoth and Radiance. Give it a shot, you got this!
@Mapocolops I actually killed a menderbug by mistake on my first ever playthrough of hollow knight (when the game first came out). I think encountering menderbug is a 1 in 100 chance (?) everytime you go to dirtmouth.
@@Mapocolops yeah understandable. As a huge FromSoft fan, I was used to Vaati's more serious style of videos, and some jokes just weren't in my taste. But as far as I know, this video is the closest we have to the complete story of the game. Anyway thanks for doing a reaction, and good luck with the Pantheon of Hallownest!
@Mapocolops I didn't feel like it was a joke segment, but instead a more lively segment in otherwise quite "dull" 1½ hour lore video. It's all in the eyes of beholder.
Let it be known that mossbag is “the” lore guy but nobody can be certain of anything and it is absolutely okay and maybe even encouraged to disagree with some points. The lore video serves as a general path that one could follow. It creates a sort of time line and you yourself can see what fits In that time line.
You also have to understand that this *is* mostly a recap video. Basically a collection of the most broadly important topics. For deep dives into specific topics mossbag has separate videos where he goes really deep into just one topic and also provides all the sources for them. But for this one, since this video is supposed to act as like a summary of the lore, he didn't wanna make the video too long by going deep into every topic. Which is why it is just surface level.
I think this is the most important point. This video is a recap to make things about Hollow knight cohesive. The other videos go in detail and explore the topics more, so it would be interesting to watch those. Though the humour is still there, so it might be annoying for people who can't get over it. :D
@@adityaflashraj Well...nobody except Quinton Reviews fans, but even then his 8hr long nickolodeon show deep dives are pretty well segmented to split up into multiple sittings.
The name "Hornet" comes from her initial, pretty much unconfirmed lore. Hornet was said to be the child of three queens, one birthed, one raised, and one trained. The old (possibly still relevant) lore states that she was born to Herrah, raised by the White Lady, and trained in combat by Hive Queen Vespa. Whether this lore is still true, is unconfirmed, but Team Cherry has explicitly said that that is certainly where her name comes from.
Hornet and the Hive Knight both have a move in combat that are similar to the other, the ones with the spike balls they summon. Hornet makes her own spin on the move by incorporating suspending the balls on silk threads. So that makes sense if she was taught to fight by the bees.
Well geez. Just to balance out the comment section here, I’d just like to let everyone know that it’s totally okay to think this video is funny, I couldn’t stop laughing the first time I watched it. It’s a very particular sense of humor that lots of people don’t vibe with, but plenty of other people do, and that’s part of why this video was so highly recommended. It’s also completely fine not to like it, I’m just saying this because 95% of comments so far are just talking about how unfunny it is. Also, about the lack of sources. It’s unfortunate how few sources there are in such a comprehensive video like this, but at this point mossbag had already made MANY lore videos, including another complete lore video that this one replaced. Those go much more in depth with specific subjects, and they are much better about citing sources. This video really just serves as a general story recap in case you failed to notice, missed, or misinterpreted certain important lore throughout the game. I do highly recommend watching his other videos if you want more info about certain topics, but if the humor irks you too much, don’t bother.
Yeah, it’s not my style of humor but I feel like it’s sort of pointed at a younger crowd which is totally fine. Not everything has to resonate with everyone and every generation has their own humor that they vibe with. Otherwise, I still enjoyed the video. Not like the jokes ruined anything for me, and not everything has to be super serious all the time.
I love his dry delivery personally. Then again, millions of people find loud obnoxious streamers absolutely hilarious, so there's no accounting for taste.
I was generally underwhelmed the first time too, and remain so, despite secondhand feelings caught from other reactors. Though, I think you may have been misled by hype. The video is what it says it is; a (mostly) complete summary of the lore. Any kind of “God-Tier” deep dive with full references would take at least three hours. As he says himself, the best way to get that information is to go to some exhaustive encyclopedia like the wiki, which has full references on every page. Or just watch every single one of mossbag’s other videos.
@@beefbusiness52well of course not but Mossbag has a lot of lore videos where he deep dives on different topics that he made even before this video featured here was all this person was saying.
Actually I was making a joke because Mapocolops clearly does not care for mossbag’s style of video. Thus, a sarcastic recommendation that he watch all of them. I thought maybe adding the sheepish face emoji wasn’t necessary, but I reckoned wrong.
No, the video is not a “(mostly) complete summary”. It isn’t even close. This is an incredibly shallow, broad-strokes “So hey, this stuff happened hee hee funni joke” video. Nothing about it is mostly complete,
Regarding mister mushroom that you talked about, you can find him in different places throughout hallownest and if you find him at every spot something happens...
19:40 Mossbag usually formats his videos in that format. He highlights one subject, presents all the information in the game and extended media addressing that subject, and presents a theory that connects them, before discussing any pros and cons in how his theory connects to the established lore. Along with the Metroid bit at the beginning, the other thing you skipped was a disclaimer that the material in this particular video is his own conclusions about the general story, and not all of the points are universally agreed upon by the HK community, though they are widely accepted by most.
As to the lack of sources, his other videos are a lot better about that. I think since this is meant to be more of an overview he's left it out. He has videos which talk about these and other subjects in more depth where he does discuss sources. Totally get your take on the comedy though, it's pretty hit or miss for me.
This video doesn't go as in-depth as you wished on a lot of topics, it's not one of those 8 hour long souls lore essays but rather a general introduction to the HK lore, but you should complete the journey by checking his other videos for specific lore dumps (this time with more ingame proof and concept/cut content), especially videos like the ancient civilization/void lore video, the fate of the pale king, the grimm and nightmare heart, the godmaster lore and implications, and the hornet video (despite being mostly hornet-is-not-void memes, it explains more about her origins and the possible origin of her name, as you pointed out being unfitting for a spider).
This lore video is definitely told in a very narrative way, but it's also a summary of a lot of discussion about the lore. Mossbag does provide a lot more references and discussion in his other videos, which together build into this one. I haven't paid attention to this before, so I'm not sure how thorough the citations are, but those are at least more frank with the sources used.
Your point about his lack of sources is definitely fair, I think most everything does have sources but maybe he assumed most people watching wouldn't care if he always listed them. It's unfortunate you don't like his style of humor and delivery but after your explanation at the end of the video I understand where you're coming from. I do agree it's not on the "godly" level of lore video that people probably made it seem. It's likely a more effective video for those who didn't pay as much attention to the lore during their playthrough rather than those who were very attentive and wanted an extra deep-dive into things without fluff. Thanks for the great content as always!
No shit he's an aussie, thats just american "humour". Aint no aussie gonna vibe with that wack shit. Also this video was hyped way too much to mapo, so many comments it was kinda ridiculous saying you must react to this, but instead it ends up being a recap video for mapo with quintessential american humour.
And also I think this is more of a storytelling style video. Many of other mossbag's analyzis videos on spesific topics do show the sources of information very claerly. If he is interested to check out other videos, I think he would love it(apart from the humour).
@@ArcTV.Chill mate, even I enjoy mossbag's humour dispite not being an american. It's true that people kinda hype it too much but it's still great, accurate (to some extend) and did a good job covering most of the main lore
About Hornet's name, (if I remember correctly) developers once said that Hornet is daughter of three queens, born from Herrah, raised by white lady, and trained by Hive queen Vespa, and she got the name Hornet to honor Vespa. Later the developers said that it isn't canon since there isn't any in game lore to confirm it, and that is just their theory about her name
I didn't aware some people *really* mind the humour in Mossbag video until now. While I didn't laugh to most of his joke, I didn't find it annoying or cringe to the point I became upset when watching. The 1st time I've played HK I didn't pay close attention to in-game dialogue because I wanted to experience the combat. So putting off the game to read text that's not relevant to gameplay mechanics will break the flow of the game for me. It's also hard for me to connect every bit of in-game information into a cohesive narrative because you discover everything "out-of-order" basically. In combination of wanting to play, I didn't spend too much effort on connecting the dots. So it's nice for me to have someone organizes those information in case I want to understand what I'm experiencing. I suggest you checking out his other videos in your own time as he will dive deeper into more specific topics like the Grimm, the Shaman, the Godseeker and those vids are generally shorter as well
I haven’t heard of him until mapos playthrough as I just got done with the game also so this is the first video I’ve watched. 50 minutes into this video I think the humor and jokes is bit much and doesn’t do anything but make me not want to watch him. So I’m sure if people start with this video and aren’t a kid that like this kind of humor they would get turned off by it
I share your opinion at the end about the video. And I believe a lot of the story points revealed here weren't surprising to you, because you did a great job on mapping the lore yourself, and what was missed was either due to sequencing or not using dream nail on dead bugs. Regardless, thank you for the Hollow Knight journey. :)
If you want "the sources" you should look at his other vid where he takes a deeper look at most of the topics he covers here, he couldn't put it in cuz the vid would be like 4 hours long.
Ladies and Gentlemen, once again convene to watch Mossbags (Mostly) Complete Lore video off Hollow Knight. For some, this is the first, but for most you'll be nearing your dozenth. This is truly one of the lore videos of all time.
Speaking as someone who had seen the Godhome endings a bunch of times on RUclips, seeing it for myself last month when I beat the Pantheon of Hallownest for the first time, it was one of the most amazing experiences of my gaming life. I'm still flying high, even though I haven't been able to do it again yet. But soon I'll have seen both Godhome endings myself, then I will have officially done everything in Hollow Knight except for finishing Godseeker Mode.
The introduction part of the video that you skipped explains where all the information comes from. Also I think the telling of lore through story is the most common way to learn lore.
A lot of the humor is in reference to certain in-jokes and memes from the then budding community of HK lore (Hornet is Void?!?) so it's a bit more "personalized" towards somewhat of an in-group audience. As more people get into HK and approach the community's old silly lore ideas, the more it seems niche and awkward. Mossbag's still fantastic, but he clearly made this for a specific set of hyper-unique souls that have been die-hard since the beginning.
Yeah if you truly wanted deep dives and videos where he shows the sources of his claims, you would like his other videos, as this one is basically a mix of his other videos where he goes more deep into this stuff, this one is basically a recap. And about the humor, I personally find most of it funny, and its in every video of him lol. So if you don't like it, youll have a better time reading the lore section of the games wiki yourself. Also, in the end you wanted a lore video which explained some npc and dlc lore, and he has those too if you want, but you're probably gonna know some of the stuff he says since you 112% the game. Also would love to see some gameplay from other games that i like from you now that youve completed hollow knight, like Celeste, undertale, shovel knight, hades and enter the gungeon
Potentially you could check out mossbags playlist of lore videos and see if it contains any videos you would be interested in since he talks about some more stuff in some of those videos that isnt in this video. There is also the Hollow Knight lore wiki which is linked to in the video description. It might contain sources and more detail on npc's.
I actually prefer when the lore videos aren't trying hard to be tear-jerkers, cough cough looking at your dark souls lore guy, and instead have some level of levity to them.
It's possible that you will get more out of the other single topic lore videos he has. Far as I remember those videos has fewer Mossbag jokes as well. ;)
mossbag just has a humorous personality and there's nothing wrong with that, it's not for everyone i know and i understand you; but for me it works a lot (it's more appealing to younger people who really like irony and shitpost). and he did other videos more in depth about the lore, this is the general perspective for those who didn't understand much during the game, if you watch more videos of him you will understand that he really does his research. (sorry for the poor english im not american)
19:27 Mossbag tries to give off the "basic but also hard to put together" lore segments within a short (I know the video is over 1 hour but yes, it is short for a hollow knight video that aims to give a complete lore) timespan. If you want to gain WAY more lore about the game, he has a channel full of videos that go into actual details, pointing out the subjects that are both in this "Mostly complete lore" video and those that are not included in the video (which may interest you a lot more in my opinion).
I've watched Mossbag's video multiple times and while I think it does a decent job explaining the lore I don't like how it's structured. Like you said early on, the video tries and fails too hard trying to be funny and lacks the in-game source for a lot of info. The "comedic" way this video is done makes it feel less reputable. For example, the Menderbug is a real character in-game and the journal Mossbag is reading from is real. But because of the way he does it many people I have seen watch this video just think it's a joke. I don't know if there is a better lore video to watch and I don't want to insult Mossbag but I really wish Vaati would play this game and make a video himself
Mossbags video feels more like a recap for experienced players, instead of a in depth explanation. For example I wish he'd talk more about why The Hollow Knight tries unliving himself in his fight, because that along with others things highlights the tragedy of that character.
I prefer this video instead of a 4 hour video where he says the sources he has already said in his other 100 lore videos lmao, but ok. The video is what the title says, the main story of the game through his interpretation.
I think there's a mod that adds yhe Traitor lord to the Sisters Of Battle fight, the mod is Tribe Of Battle I think I heard Hornet was meant to be related to the hive queen in some way and it was scrapped, but het name didn't change
Below is a hint to something that you havent yet (and most likely wont on your own) discover that is quite unique and fun: There is a hidden room in the hall of gods. In the top right corner of the room you can see that the ceiling has nobs, between the second and third you can go up to access the hidden room.
This video is indeed meant as a story and even though it gives some sources, most of it was meant to be watched without having to read, as stated at the beginning of the video. Even so, the informations presented are widely accepted community theories and wiki lore pulled from various in-game text, be it tablets, dialogues, dream nail lines, item descriptions, journal entries. Now as he says a lot of the hollow knight lore is vague and people have interpreted it from these sources to create their theories, so different interpretations lead to different theories. Edit : you may know there is a modding app for hollow knight called scarab that allows you TONS of shit like QOL improvments, randomizers, new content like charms, benches, even skins for your characters, and there are also custom boss fights playable in godhome. And yes, there is a fight called tribe of battle which is just sisters of battle + traitor lord. Enjoy.
If you ever decide to go back to the Pantheon of Hallownest, here are a few pieces of advice that massively helped me with completing it: 1) If you lose to a boss AT ANY POINT DURING THE PANTHEON, NO MATTER WHICH BOSS IT IS, go to the Hall of Gods and practice it until you can beat it on Ascended. Bonus points for practicing it on Ascended until you can beat it multiple times in a row on Ascended. 2) If you feel like you need practice on a boss, because it's messing you up for the next boss in the line? See advice 1. 3) My final charm build for the Pantheon of Hallownest was Quick Slash, Shaman Stone, Unbreakable Strength, and Unbreakable Heart. One of the 3-costs can be swapped for Quick Focus if you need, and Carefree Melody would work even better for the 2-cost (I just didn't have it on the save I did the Pantheon on.)
If you want deep dives into the lore with sources I suggest looking into his other videos, this video is is just a general recap of the main storyline. He has lots of other videos that go into deep into different segments of lore
Game Maker's Toolkit (GMTK - Mark Brown) also made a very good and in-depth video, not on the lore but on the world design of Hollow Knight (title: The World Design of Hollow Knight). I'd be interested in seeing you react to it, but even if you don't, I strongly recommend you watch it. It's a brilliant analysis on what makes the game work so well (as far as exploration/progression is concerned anyway). It focuses on the main game so it doesn't contain any spoiler for GodHome.
There is a ton of videos that you can dive into now! I don't expect you to record them or anything, but I hope you can find yourself enjoying those on your own time. HK is a game that keeps on giving. Thanks for your Hollow Knight journey Mapo!
Yeah this is mostly an overview of the main story of Hollow Knight, mossbag's other videos are more focused on specific topics and take time to cite specific dialogue boxes (or even cut content) since they have smaller scopes.
Ooh, this should be fun to watch you watch! You should know, while this video is more of a general overview, Mossbag also has a whole bunch more videos going in-depth about specific topics, where he'll actually directly reference the ingame sources he's using to draw his conclusions. I never really thought about it until watching you here, but this video only barely does that, or doesn't actually say when it is (like he'll include a snippet from a lore tablet here or there. but not say it's from there, but the in-depth videos will generally show the full text onscreen and where it is ingame). It sees like his humor isn't really your style, though, so I'd understand not wanting to look into his content any more than this. Even if it wasn't quite what you were hoping for, I'm glad you were able to get something out of it! Ooh, you finally learned the purpose of the rancid eggs! I made pretty much the same mistaken assumption about Jiji's gameplay purpose when I first played, equating "regrets" to missable things in the game. A means of summoning back your shade is far more useful overall, at least for the situations where it would come in handy.
A lot of the stuff he talks about here is put together from visual cues not actual text, and he shows a lot of that information in the video as he talks about it without directly saying it. For example, when he mentions there being evidence of common bugs knowing about kingsmolds he shows the nailsmith making a toy of a kingsmold.
The humor is a large part of the reason why the video was recommended, I think. I love it, I think it's hilarious. Sorry some of the jokes didn't land for you. As others in the comments have said, his other videos do tend to go a bit 'deeper' into specific topics and have more explicit sourcing and what not. This video does intend to present a high-level overview of the most straightforward interpretation of the lore narratively. It also doesn't surprise me that you didn't gain any 'major revelations' from this, yours is one of the most thorough and thoughtful playthroughs I've seen, so it stands to reason that you picked up on a lot of this. You might be surprised to know how many people play the game and DON'T pick up on this stuff.
Would love for you to do a few more Mossbag videos on topics you're curious about! I totally understand the criticism about the humor, but the other videos do share a deeper dive in some specific parts of the lore, so if not for a reaction: check Mossbag out regardless! :)
Good reaction video. I personally like the humour. I do understand expecting a more serious approach, though. It's essentially a summary of all his previous videos, which are more in debt and also state the sources more clearly. ( It's still the same kind of humour though )
Mossbag literally said in the video that he recommends going through the lore section of the HK wiki & FanGamer's Wanderer's Journal which you skipped because it was right after he talked about metroidvania & Super Metroid so if you want sources, go tf there. And reminder, the title of the video is called "The *(Mostly)* Complete Lore..." Even mossbag admits that this video is not going to have everything but you skipped that as well. As others have said, mossbag has made other videos about specific HK topics, so you can check those out too if you like. Shouldn't have skipped the entire introduction, and should've just skipped the Metroid part. 29:50 That is not an interpretation of the Hunter. You can see his full form when you visit him right after you complete his journal.
Regarding the lore, there's the Hollow Knight wiki, which is amazing. It provides a much deeper dive into the lore and with explanations when in the game a certain thing was mentioned.
i think the Pale King didn't just "delayed the inevitable", i think he saw the future, even the little knight killing the radiance, and i think that's why he did everything
Thank you; your reaction has validated my general indifference towards this video haha. I also couldn't stand his "humour" and, as you pointed out, the scarcity of sources cited. It's a fun video for people who just want to be told a story, I guess, but certainly not the Bible of Hollow Knight lore that a large portion of the community seem to have deemed it.
Mossbag isn't my favorite in terms of delivery and humor, but he does a good job at unpacking the lore. You might enjoy some of his other vids a bit more, since they focus more on detailed lore. You did a good job of exploring the lore yourself so many things that could have been revelations for you from the vid, were things you already knew. This vid is like 101 of Hollow Knight lore, it's most rewarding for people who played the game without paying much attention to things. There are other vids that explore more detailed topics that I enjoyed more. Overall, much like FromSoft, it's fun to explore, interpret, and discuss the lore of HK.
if you are looking for the specific stories of npc's. mossbag has some videos going into more detail on specific subjects like the grimm troupe or the colloseum
Honestly, probably the reason why you weren't as excited about this is unless you've read the entire wiki, or played the game multiple times trying different ways to beat the game, or just read literally every journal, lore tablet, and spent time pondering it (which is the path you, mapocolops, took), there were things mentioned in this video that you probably wouldn't have come across, and just filled in the general knowledge of the game. Also, this is like the cliff's notes version of previous videos mossbag's done.
I watched his video after a bunch of people recommended it and came away from it with the same feelings as you. It serves as a vehicle for his humour first and as an informative storytelling video second. A shame really.
Yep this is pretty much how I felt when I saw the video after seeing it recomended from everyone and highly praised. Their attempt at humour did not land with me at all and kind of ruined the experience as a whole, making it difficult to take the rest of the video seriously, plus yeah, the lack of sources isn't very great.
An interesting tidbit about our player character knight possibly being a true, Pure Vessel - you can actually choose to see him as pure, or just as flawed as the Hollow Knight The Hollow Knight shared a moment with the Pale King, and thus had emotions, making him flawed. We're given the option to share a moment with Quirrell, at the Blue Lake. By our own choices we can either retain that the knight is a pure vessel, or just as flawed. Simple and beautiful storytelling, and it all happens with a single button press when you choose to sit down with him.
What is pretty fun is how much you actually did yourself so you didn't get too much from the recap video. Most people ive seen beat the game rush through a lot of it so you definitely had major dedication to the lore yourself. But anyways the only thing i was disappointed with on your own playthrough was you reloaded to see one critical dialogue thing from hornet, but you didn't reload the part before you beat herrah the beast so you missed the revelation that hornet is her daughter, and the fact she believes you can change the fate of hollow nest that she allows you to kill her. Plus with a video like this the sources come from him doing lore videos for quite a long time, culminated by this one. A lot of the lore in this game is not directly explained so there isn't really a way to give sources on screen in some cases.
I believe pale king deemed hollow knight as truly hollow just because they assumed every vessel should be hollow but taken out the only one that skilled or focused enough to escape while others try to escape instinctively. But that capability comes with higher risk of being tainted with idea or mind
I know there isn't an order in the events of the game BUT my theory is that when you first banished Radiance in the "Dream no more" ending she actually takes shelter in the mind of the Godseeker and its dream, not dying at all. Then, when you defeat her in Godhome, its for real, 'cause The Void is finally with a purpouse and a form, and its unified, acquiring the power needed to defeat such a threat. I'm saying this based on how the essence particules appeared when you defeat her: in the first ending the essense extends like a hand reaching for help, while in the Godhome one it just explode and then fade away. Ofc you can do the Godhome ending first, but gameplay wise it doesen't seem right, if yall know what I mean, so if you see it this way it could make sense.
I've seen the lore video recommended a lot and had decided to save it as some sort of mark of achievement for completing the game. A celebration of sorts. But the humor reaaally didn't land with me, and I just couldn't watch it all the way through because it annoyed me. Bummer, the lore parts were interesting.
I for one appreciate your honesty when not liking a vid. Makes the things you like more worthwhile. Oh and I never spent a rancid egg either. Those hints were way too vague for me.
Yeah for the record, the Land of Storms, and the location which the godseeker is ‘making’ the god tuner, are both rather difficult areas to find. To which one is rarely accessible when ENTERING godhome. It just has a random chance to take you there. Easiest to just enter and exit continuously to see if you enter. The other, the Land of storms, is probably the hardest since you need to beat every pantheon with every binding.
Hi ! I discovered you through your Ocarina of Time playthrough and then, since I love Hollow Knight, I just watched your entire playthrough of this game as well. Since this is the end of it, I thought I'd share some thoughts ! Firstly, I really enjoy your personality and the way you play through games. Getting to re-experience a "first-time" playthrough with you is a delight. Secondly, I am sooo happy that you realized the use of rancid eggs by the very end of it lol, I was wondering if you would ever get the answer to that mystery. Finally, I am really looking forward to your Majora's Mask playthrough and since I'm here, maybe I can throw in some games that I would love to see you experience ? Hades and the Ori games are the ones that come to mind. I know you've considered them before, so I just hope you'll be able to find the time to play them sometime, if you want ! Cheers !
Thank you so much for this playthrough. It really is my favorite one ever. The way you express your thoughts with us is really cool. Metroid Dread would be a good next metroid vania to try. I also suggest Undertale and Celeste for your next indie games. Looking forward to your next playthroughs as they really brighten my days!
In the intro you skipped over, Mossbag detailed what the sources are, as well as the links to examine the sources for yourself. I highly recommend looking over that if you truly feel like he didn't cite his sources, also, there are no spoilers on Super Metroid in the intro. It only brings up one of the narrative devices that the original Super Metroid used to convey its worldbuilding. Skipping the intro to a video can be helpful sometimes if you want to save time, but it can lead you to miss out on some very important information that you otherwise would have missed. Worst comes to worst, you could read the transcript if you feel like that is too much of a spoiler.
Honestly i don’t like that everyone now watches this video at the end of their play through. It’s a nice little tradition but… I feel like it makes the discussion around hollow knight lore much more stagnant.
Don't worry about not being able to do POH. It's draining to get to the later stages only to die and restart another hour long run. I've got close but have yet to beat it myself.
I don't really vibe with the humour either, and the lack of sources is really annoying. Regarding Steel Soul Jinn, in the regular game Confessor Jiji will teleport your shade to you, in exchange for a rancid egg, that is what the "regrets" are, and the only use for rancid eggs, and as dying in steel soul mode is a game over, Jiji is useless, so Jinn replaces her.
i think you'll enjoy mossbag's other lore videos more, because here he has to put a lot of information into a single video, so a lot is left out. I totally agree with you, i wish this video did point to where all of the information comes from, unfortunately that's not the case, but, at least, having all the information now yourself, when playing the game again it will be much easier to see things and go "aaaaaahhhh, so that's where this comes from/ so this is what this thing means"
This video is mostly recommended for people to confirm their views on the Hollow Knight lore and his other videos are the more in-depth ones that dives into specific topics in Hollow Knight. Also, people just have different senses of humor and personally I've grown to appreciate most of them.
yeah it's a good video, probably the best lore video when it comes to general hollow knight lore, but it does tend to get overhyped for sure. the lack of citations and the attempts at humour detract from it. still glad to see your reactions to some of this stuff. of course ideally it would have been better to see you find more of this stuff in game yourself but realistically there are going to be things that you'll just never see over the course of a youtube playthrough, as well as some things you've already missed. it's worth mentioning that this video didn't cover a lot of stuff. as mossbag said, he basically skipped over all the characters and interactions that weren't directly related to the game's central plot. characters like quirrel, cloth and the nailsmith spring to mind. that said there are basically infinite wells of lore in this game (mask maker has videos all to himself iirc) so it's up to you if you actually feel like it's worth pursuing any further.
I would love if he would remake this video to match the times, and make it less about humor and more about the lore itself with sources and all that. Maybe even going a little deeper past surface level, doing more theory crafting and whatnot
I mean, i agree with you, but he has separate videos on dlc's and certain moments of lore, and despite them going much deeper then surface level, humor is still there. I guess it is just his style, and question if you vibe with it or not. I cant say i love his humour too much, but in the same way vaati seems tooo boring and dramatic for me sometimes
The RUclips channel 8-Bit Music Theory did a trilogy of videos about the Hollow Knight soundtrack that shows how the music helps make lore connections in the game. It's fascinating and definitely worth a look.
I hope you mean what you said about Metroid. That series is very near and dear to me, and I'd absolutely love to see it captivate you the way it did me, from Super to Dread (1 and 2 omitted for obvious reasons LMAO) Also, maybe skip Other M too xD
You can actually send the flowers to several NPCs from the grave of the traitor’s daughter (I remember there are Oro, the white lady, and the elder bug available) you can try. There are some details worth savoring, and I found Oro is so cute when receiving the flower. He seems to have done something wrong to Mato and then he imprisoned himself in the Kingdom’s Edge, much far away from the Mato’s room. But heartwarmingly in the heaven they fight together as brothers.❤
Ah, the rite of passage :) . Thanks for this. I'm glad you've enjoyed Hollow knight and thank you for sharing it with us. (Most people can't get half as far as you have. I'd just look up the 2 final ending. Certainly don't try the pantheon twice.)
The issue with Hollow Knight Lore is that we have very little facts. You have to piece things together from names, locations looks and multiple conversations. The lore in this video is what we know for "sure" meaning we have strong evidence for it. The details you were looking for (unfortunately) do not exist. Mossbags other videos are focused on smaller topics, which still contain a lot of speculation but in those he gives you all the evidence you were looking for.
Ah, you forgot to return the journal. You're in for a heck of a trial. Also, the king's workshops are in the palace, under a ledge and off-screen, after a leap of faith.
When talking about the contradictions regarding what makes the Knight *hollow* despite it having a will: I like to think that the term hollow is in regards to not having a religion or an ideology. All of the bugs worship either the pale king, the radiant moth, or some type of God. If the knight is an atheist, then it can resist the power of the Radiance because it doesn't believe. This is backed up by the fact that the Radiance got her power from believers and the pale King got his power from believers. By not believing, the God had no power to infect the *hollow* knight's mind. This theory also works with the Godmaster stuff because the Knight can defeat the attuned gods because it doesn't believe in them. The danger is that by defeating all of the gods, the Knight becomes a God himself. The God of gods, the Lord Shade, the Devourer, the Void Entity. The 'God' of *hollow* atheists (the shade, the void): "Inspired or mad, those ancient bugs. They devoted their worship to *no* lord, or power, or strength, but to the very darkness itself."
If you complete the pantheons with bindings that remove upgrades, it unlocks the blue door, which I think unlocks the knight statue in the hall and also gives you lifeblood for the pantheons. (No way I could do it.)
![Becoming The One True Fool - Hollow Knight | Blind Playthrough [Part 19]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VRbQZsBjVHo/mqdefault.jpg)
And we cap off the Hollow Knight adventure (for now!) with a highly requested video. I would like to state that a lot of this video does not give me any major revelations of "wow so cool I am learning so much!" because we did take in a lot of this information during my playthrough itself!
If this video brought you here, and you'd like to see my first time reactions, thoughts, theories and feelings to the big stuff in this lovely world and story we've experienced, my full playthrough can be found here!
ruclips.net/p/PLhnazjUB_WkKZmlbbZyLYF4b7k3UlzJAu
Yeah you did a pretty good job piecing things together by the end yourself, so the video wasn't too important for you, but there were some neat details he mentioned in passing like the 4th destroyed throne he mentioned which belonged to the Traitor lord :D
This has been a spacial playthrough for me. Thank you for shearing it. Cant wait for silksong (*sniffs copium*)
If you complete just some of the bindings in easier patheons, it will give you something helpful for P5. Not too mention, it gives you practice without having to practice in the Hall of Gods.
Doing this allowed me to beat P5 in 3 attempts, only dying to Markoth and Radiance. Give it a shot, you got this!
Please play Blasphemous on the channel you will love it
Yes, I thought you were very thorough in puzzling out the lore in your play-through ^_^ Also: agree with your comment on the distracting jokes.
The mender bug thing wasn't a joke, they're in the game but you just haven't encountered one yet.
It's a shame Mossbag made it seem like an inserted joke segment of the video so I didn't think it was real at all.
@Mapocolops I actually killed a menderbug by mistake on my first ever playthrough of hollow knight (when the game first came out). I think encountering menderbug is a 1 in 100 chance (?) everytime you go to dirtmouth.
@@Mapocolops yeah understandable. As a huge FromSoft fan, I was used to Vaati's more serious style of videos, and some jokes just weren't in my taste. But as far as I know, this video is the closest we have to the complete story of the game. Anyway thanks for doing a reaction, and good luck with the Pantheon of Hallownest!
@@ahassani Yeah it probably happened to some players by accident, I think most found it online and searched up how to do it.
@Mapocolops I didn't feel like it was a joke segment, but instead a more lively segment in otherwise quite "dull" 1½ hour lore video. It's all in the eyes of beholder.
Let it be known that mossbag is “the” lore guy but nobody can be certain of anything and it is absolutely okay and maybe even encouraged to disagree with some points. The lore video serves as a general path that one could follow. It creates a sort of time line and you yourself can see what fits In that time line.
As Mossbag said in the beginning if you want only the objective facts we know for certain go read the wiki
You also have to understand that this *is* mostly a recap video. Basically a collection of the most broadly important topics. For deep dives into specific topics mossbag has separate videos where he goes really deep into just one topic and also provides all the sources for them. But for this one, since this video is supposed to act as like a summary of the lore, he didn't wanna make the video too long by going deep into every topic. Which is why it is just surface level.
I think this is the most important point. This video is a recap to make things about Hollow knight cohesive. The other videos go in detail and explore the topics more, so it would be interesting to watch those.
Though the humour is still there, so it might be annoying for people who can't get over it. :D
I mean it’s called the Mostly Complete Lore, one would expect him to be much more thorough than just surface level.
@@Angarl AND THERE WE GO A SIX HOURS VIDEO
@@Angarl there's a big emphasis on the (mostly). Noone wants to watch a 12 hour video with every detail
@@adityaflashraj Well...nobody except Quinton Reviews fans, but even then his 8hr long nickolodeon show deep dives are pretty well segmented to split up into multiple sittings.
The name "Hornet" comes from her initial, pretty much unconfirmed lore. Hornet was said to be the child of three queens, one birthed, one raised, and one trained. The old (possibly still relevant) lore states that she was born to Herrah, raised by the White Lady, and trained in combat by Hive Queen Vespa. Whether this lore is still true, is unconfirmed, but Team Cherry has explicitly said that that is certainly where her name comes from.
Hornet and the Hive Knight both have a move in combat that are similar to the other, the ones with the spike balls they summon. Hornet makes her own spin on the move by incorporating suspending the balls on silk threads. So that makes sense if she was taught to fight by the bees.
I really hope Silksong doesn't deconfirms this concept, because I like it a lot.
@@McBackstabber When will she turn into a fucking drill
The menderbug journal wasn't a joke, it's literally in the game.
I love at the beginning how the knight is just laying on the floor traumatised by the pantheons while you talk 😄
36:59 This exists as a hollow knight mod, its called Tribe of Battle. You can look it up.
Well geez. Just to balance out the comment section here, I’d just like to let everyone know that it’s totally okay to think this video is funny, I couldn’t stop laughing the first time I watched it. It’s a very particular sense of humor that lots of people don’t vibe with, but plenty of other people do, and that’s part of why this video was so highly recommended. It’s also completely fine not to like it, I’m just saying this because 95% of comments so far are just talking about how unfunny it is.
Also, about the lack of sources. It’s unfortunate how few sources there are in such a comprehensive video like this, but at this point mossbag had already made MANY lore videos, including another complete lore video that this one replaced. Those go much more in depth with specific subjects, and they are much better about citing sources. This video really just serves as a general story recap in case you failed to notice, missed, or misinterpreted certain important lore throughout the game.
I do highly recommend watching his other videos if you want more info about certain topics, but if the humor irks you too much, don’t bother.
True and fair
Yeah I didn't laugh but kinda get the jokes and it's refreshing in between when the video is long
Yeah, it’s not my style of humor but I feel like it’s sort of pointed at a younger crowd which is totally fine. Not everything has to resonate with everyone and every generation has their own humor that they vibe with. Otherwise, I still enjoyed the video. Not like the jokes ruined anything for me, and not everything has to be super serious all the time.
I love his dry delivery personally. Then again, millions of people find loud obnoxious streamers absolutely hilarious, so there's no accounting for taste.
Totally this. Idk why ppl are coming down so hard in these comments lol.
About the lifeblood stuff. When you encounter Joni to pick up Joni's blessing, her "title" is Joni the heretic.
I was generally underwhelmed the first time too, and remain so, despite secondhand feelings caught from other reactors. Though, I think you may have been misled by hype. The video is what it says it is; a (mostly) complete summary of the lore. Any kind of “God-Tier” deep dive with full references would take at least three hours.
As he says himself, the best way to get that information is to go to some exhaustive encyclopedia like the wiki, which has full references on every page.
Or just watch every single one of mossbag’s other videos.
@beef business I didn’t say that.
@@beefbusiness52well of course not but Mossbag has a lot of lore videos where he deep dives on different topics that he made even before this video featured here was all this person was saying.
Actually I was making a joke because Mapocolops clearly does not care for mossbag’s style of video. Thus, a sarcastic recommendation that he watch all of them.
I thought maybe adding the sheepish face emoji wasn’t necessary, but I reckoned wrong.
No, the video is not a “(mostly) complete summary”. It isn’t even close. This is an incredibly shallow, broad-strokes “So hey, this stuff happened hee hee funni joke” video.
Nothing about it is mostly complete,
@@SnailHatan Good job making a claim. You’re halfway to a complete argument.
Regarding mister mushroom that you talked about, you can find him in different places throughout hallownest and if you find him at every spot something happens...
19:40 Mossbag usually formats his videos in that format. He highlights one subject, presents all the information in the game and extended media addressing that subject, and presents a theory that connects them, before discussing any pros and cons in how his theory connects to the established lore.
Along with the Metroid bit at the beginning, the other thing you skipped was a disclaimer that the material in this particular video is his own conclusions about the general story, and not all of the points are universally agreed upon by the HK community, though they are widely accepted by most.
> skips the intro, which explains the sources of the information in the video
> complains about lack of sources
> makes sense to me...
Yeah, the Menderbug thing is actually legit, the diary is genuinly real, you just haven't found it
As to the lack of sources, his other videos are a lot better about that. I think since this is meant to be more of an overview he's left it out. He has videos which talk about these and other subjects in more depth where he does discuss sources. Totally get your take on the comedy though, it's pretty hit or miss for me.
Mapo trying not to die when a couple of the jokes fall flat is both hilarious and relatable
This video doesn't go as in-depth as you wished on a lot of topics, it's not one of those 8 hour long souls lore essays but rather a general introduction to the HK lore, but you should complete the journey by checking his other videos for specific lore dumps (this time with more ingame proof and concept/cut content), especially videos like the ancient civilization/void lore video, the fate of the pale king, the grimm and nightmare heart, the godmaster lore and implications, and the hornet video (despite being mostly hornet-is-not-void memes, it explains more about her origins and the possible origin of her name, as you pointed out being unfitting for a spider).
This lore video is definitely told in a very narrative way, but it's also a summary of a lot of discussion about the lore. Mossbag does provide a lot more references and discussion in his other videos, which together build into this one. I haven't paid attention to this before, so I'm not sure how thorough the citations are, but those are at least more frank with the sources used.
Your point about his lack of sources is definitely fair, I think most everything does have sources but maybe he assumed most people watching wouldn't care if he always listed them.
It's unfortunate you don't like his style of humor and delivery but after your explanation at the end of the video I understand where you're coming from. I do agree it's not on the "godly" level of lore video that people probably made it seem. It's likely a more effective video for those who didn't pay as much attention to the lore during their playthrough rather than those who were very attentive and wanted an extra deep-dive into things without fluff.
Thanks for the great content as always!
No shit he's an aussie, thats just american "humour". Aint no aussie gonna vibe with that wack shit. Also this video was hyped way too much to mapo, so many comments it was kinda ridiculous saying you must react to this, but instead it ends up being a recap video for mapo with quintessential american humour.
@@ArcTV.dude, chill
And also I think this is more of a storytelling style video. Many of other mossbag's analyzis videos on spesific topics do show the sources of information very claerly. If he is interested to check out other videos, I think he would love it(apart from the humour).
@@ArcTV.Chill mate, even I enjoy mossbag's humour dispite not being an american. It's true that people kinda hype it too much but it's still great, accurate (to some extend) and did a good job covering most of the main lore
About Hornet's name, (if I remember correctly) developers once said that Hornet is daughter of three queens, born from Herrah, raised by white lady, and trained by Hive queen Vespa, and she got the name Hornet to honor Vespa. Later the developers said that it isn't canon since there isn't any in game lore to confirm it, and that is just their theory about her name
I didn't aware some people *really* mind the humour in Mossbag video until now. While I didn't laugh to most of his joke, I didn't find it annoying or cringe to the point I became upset when watching. The 1st time I've played HK I didn't pay close attention to in-game dialogue because I wanted to experience the combat. So putting off the game to read text that's not relevant to gameplay mechanics will break the flow of the game for me. It's also hard for me to connect every bit of in-game information into a cohesive narrative because you discover everything "out-of-order" basically. In combination of wanting to play, I didn't spend too much effort on connecting the dots. So it's nice for me to have someone organizes those information in case I want to understand what I'm experiencing. I suggest you checking out his other videos in your own time as he will dive deeper into more specific topics like the Grimm, the Shaman, the Godseeker and those vids are generally shorter as well
I haven’t heard of him until mapos playthrough as I just got done with the game also so this is the first video I’ve watched. 50 minutes into this video I think the humor and jokes is bit much and doesn’t do anything but make me not want to watch him. So I’m sure if people start with this video and aren’t a kid that like this kind of humor they would get turned off by it
I didn't mind the humour.
Gosh some people in the comment section are way too serious.
I share your opinion at the end about the video. And I believe a lot of the story points revealed here weren't surprising to you, because you did a great job on mapping the lore yourself, and what was missed was either due to sequencing or not using dream nail on dead bugs.
Regardless, thank you for the Hollow Knight journey. :)
If you want "the sources" you should look at his other vid where he takes a deeper look at most of the topics he covers here, he couldn't put it in cuz the vid would be like 4 hours long.
Ladies and Gentlemen, once again convene to watch Mossbags (Mostly) Complete Lore video off Hollow Knight. For some, this is the first, but for most you'll be nearing your dozenth. This is truly one of the lore videos of all time.
2nd part is so true. I've pretty much memorized the video at this point.
Speaking as someone who had seen the Godhome endings a bunch of times on RUclips, seeing it for myself last month when I beat the Pantheon of Hallownest for the first time, it was one of the most amazing experiences of my gaming life. I'm still flying high, even though I haven't been able to do it again yet. But soon I'll have seen both Godhome endings myself, then I will have officially done everything in Hollow Knight except for finishing Godseeker Mode.
Playing Silksong when it comes out? I'll probably just stare at the start screen for hours, in disbelief.
The introduction part of the video that you skipped explains where all the information comes from. Also I think the telling of lore through story is the most common way to learn lore.
A lot of the humor is in reference to certain in-jokes and memes from the then budding community of HK lore (Hornet is Void?!?) so it's a bit more "personalized" towards somewhat of an in-group audience. As more people get into HK and approach the community's old silly lore ideas, the more it seems niche and awkward. Mossbag's still fantastic, but he clearly made this for a specific set of hyper-unique souls that have been die-hard since the beginning.
Yeah if you truly wanted deep dives and videos where he shows the sources of his claims, you would like his other videos, as this one is basically a mix of his other videos where he goes more deep into this stuff, this one is basically a recap. And about the humor, I personally find most of it funny, and its in every video of him lol. So if you don't like it, youll have a better time reading the lore section of the games wiki yourself.
Also, in the end you wanted a lore video which explained some npc and dlc lore, and he has those too if you want, but you're probably gonna know some of the stuff he says since you 112% the game. Also would love to see some gameplay from other games that i like from you now that youve completed hollow knight, like Celeste, undertale, shovel knight, hades and enter the gungeon
Potentially you could check out mossbags playlist of lore videos and see if it contains any videos you would be interested in since he talks about some more stuff in some of those videos that isnt in this video. There is also the Hollow Knight lore wiki which is linked to in the video description. It might contain sources and more detail on npc's.
I actually prefer when the lore videos aren't trying hard to be tear-jerkers, cough cough looking at your dark souls lore guy, and instead have some level of levity to them.
It's possible that you will get more out of the other single topic lore videos he has. Far as I remember those videos has fewer Mossbag jokes as well. ;)
mossbag just has a humorous personality and there's nothing wrong with that, it's not for everyone i know and i understand you; but for me it works a lot (it's more appealing to younger people who really like irony and shitpost). and he did other videos more in depth about the lore, this is the general perspective for those who didn't understand much during the game, if you watch more videos of him you will understand that he really does his research. (sorry for the poor english im not american)
19:27 Mossbag tries to give off the "basic but also hard to put together" lore segments within a short (I know the video is over 1 hour but yes, it is short for a hollow knight video that aims to give a complete lore) timespan. If you want to gain WAY more lore about the game, he has a channel full of videos that go into actual details, pointing out the subjects that are both in this "Mostly complete lore" video and those that are not included in the video (which may interest you a lot more in my opinion).
I've watched Mossbag's video multiple times and while I think it does a decent job explaining the lore I don't like how it's structured. Like you said early on, the video tries and fails too hard trying to be funny and lacks the in-game source for a lot of info. The "comedic" way this video is done makes it feel less reputable. For example, the Menderbug is a real character in-game and the journal Mossbag is reading from is real. But because of the way he does it many people I have seen watch this video just think it's a joke.
I don't know if there is a better lore video to watch and I don't want to insult Mossbag but I really wish Vaati would play this game and make a video himself
Mossbags video feels more like a recap for experienced players, instead of a in depth explanation. For example I wish he'd talk more about why The Hollow Knight tries unliving himself in his fight, because that along with others things highlights the tragedy of that character.
I prefer this video instead of a 4 hour video where he says the sources he has already said in his other 100 lore videos lmao, but ok. The video is what the title says, the main story of the game through his interpretation.
I think there's a mod that adds yhe Traitor lord to the Sisters Of Battle fight, the mod is Tribe Of Battle I think
I heard Hornet was meant to be related to the hive queen in some way and it was scrapped, but het name didn't change
Below is a hint to something that you havent yet (and most likely wont on your own) discover that is quite unique and fun:
There is a hidden room in the hall of gods. In the top right corner of the room you can see that the ceiling has nobs, between the second and third you can go up to access the hidden room.
I do hope he finds this! Its a nice little thing~!
This video is indeed meant as a story and even though it gives some sources, most of it was meant to be watched without having to read, as stated at the beginning of the video. Even so, the informations presented are widely accepted community theories and wiki lore pulled from various in-game text, be it tablets, dialogues, dream nail lines, item descriptions, journal entries.
Now as he says a lot of the hollow knight lore is vague and people have interpreted it from these sources to create their theories, so different interpretations lead to different theories.
Edit : you may know there is a modding app for hollow knight called scarab that allows you TONS of shit like QOL improvments, randomizers, new content like charms, benches, even skins for your characters, and there are also custom boss fights playable in godhome. And yes, there is a fight called tribe of battle which is just sisters of battle + traitor lord. Enjoy.
The strategy that i use to beat Markoth is to keep using DashSlash on him. When he enters his second phase I just spam spells on him
If you ever decide to go back to the Pantheon of Hallownest, here are a few pieces of advice that massively helped me with completing it:
1) If you lose to a boss AT ANY POINT DURING THE PANTHEON, NO MATTER WHICH BOSS IT IS, go to the Hall of Gods and practice it until you can beat it on Ascended. Bonus points for practicing it on Ascended until you can beat it multiple times in a row on Ascended.
2) If you feel like you need practice on a boss, because it's messing you up for the next boss in the line? See advice 1.
3) My final charm build for the Pantheon of Hallownest was Quick Slash, Shaman Stone, Unbreakable Strength, and Unbreakable Heart. One of the 3-costs can be swapped for Quick Focus if you need, and Carefree Melody would work even better for the 2-cost (I just didn't have it on the save I did the Pantheon on.)
If you want deep dives into the lore with sources I suggest looking into his other videos, this video is is just a general recap of the main storyline. He has lots of other videos that go into deep into different segments of lore
Game Maker's Toolkit (GMTK - Mark Brown) also made a very good and in-depth video, not on the lore but on the world design of Hollow Knight (title: The World Design of Hollow Knight). I'd be interested in seeing you react to it, but even if you don't, I strongly recommend you watch it. It's a brilliant analysis on what makes the game work so well (as far as exploration/progression is concerned anyway). It focuses on the main game so it doesn't contain any spoiler for GodHome.
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There is a ton of videos that you can dive into now! I don't expect you to record them or anything, but I hope you can find yourself enjoying those on your own time. HK is a game that keeps on giving. Thanks for your Hollow Knight journey Mapo!
Yeah this is mostly an overview of the main story of Hollow Knight, mossbag's other videos are more focused on specific topics and take time to cite specific dialogue boxes (or even cut content) since they have smaller scopes.
Ooh, this should be fun to watch you watch!
You should know, while this video is more of a general overview, Mossbag also has a whole bunch more videos going in-depth about specific topics, where he'll actually directly reference the ingame sources he's using to draw his conclusions. I never really thought about it until watching you here, but this video only barely does that, or doesn't actually say when it is (like he'll include a snippet from a lore tablet here or there. but not say it's from there, but the in-depth videos will generally show the full text onscreen and where it is ingame). It sees like his humor isn't really your style, though, so I'd understand not wanting to look into his content any more than this.
Even if it wasn't quite what you were hoping for, I'm glad you were able to get something out of it!
Ooh, you finally learned the purpose of the rancid eggs! I made pretty much the same mistaken assumption about Jiji's gameplay purpose when I first played, equating "regrets" to missable things in the game. A means of summoning back your shade is far more useful overall, at least for the situations where it would come in handy.
A lot of the stuff he talks about here is put together from visual cues not actual text, and he shows a lot of that information in the video as he talks about it without directly saying it.
For example, when he mentions there being evidence of common bugs knowing about kingsmolds he shows the nailsmith making a toy of a kingsmold.
The humor is a large part of the reason why the video was recommended, I think. I love it, I think it's hilarious. Sorry some of the jokes didn't land for you. As others in the comments have said, his other videos do tend to go a bit 'deeper' into specific topics and have more explicit sourcing and what not. This video does intend to present a high-level overview of the most straightforward interpretation of the lore narratively. It also doesn't surprise me that you didn't gain any 'major revelations' from this, yours is one of the most thorough and thoughtful playthroughs I've seen, so it stands to reason that you picked up on a lot of this. You might be surprised to know how many people play the game and DON'T pick up on this stuff.
There’s a good video by mossbag about hornet that gives some more possibilities on her past.if I recall it’s not too long~25 I think
Would love for you to do a few more Mossbag videos on topics you're curious about! I totally understand the criticism about the humor, but the other videos do share a deeper dive in some specific parts of the lore, so if not for a reaction: check Mossbag out regardless! :)
Good reaction video.
I personally like the humour. I do understand expecting a more serious approach, though.
It's essentially a summary of all his previous videos, which are more in debt and also state the sources more clearly. ( It's still the same kind of humour though )
Mossbag literally said in the video that he recommends going through the lore section of the HK wiki & FanGamer's Wanderer's Journal which you skipped because it was right after he talked about metroidvania & Super Metroid so if you want sources, go tf there.
And reminder, the title of the video is called "The *(Mostly)* Complete Lore..." Even mossbag admits that this video is not going to have everything but you skipped that as well. As others have said, mossbag has made other videos about specific HK topics, so you can check those out too if you like. Shouldn't have skipped the entire introduction, and should've just skipped the Metroid part.
29:50 That is not an interpretation of the Hunter. You can see his full form when you visit him right after you complete his journal.
Thanks for the reaction video! Glad you were able to learn some new things! Still hoping for that Randomizer playthrough at some point down the line 🤞
Regarding the lore, there's the Hollow Knight wiki, which is amazing. It provides a much deeper dive into the lore and with explanations when in the game a certain thing was mentioned.
Hey Mapo, have you thought about reacting to a speedrun next? That would be great.
i think the Pale King didn't just "delayed the inevitable", i think he saw the future, even the little knight killing the radiance, and i think that's why he did everything
Thank you; your reaction has validated my general indifference towards this video haha. I also couldn't stand his "humour" and, as you pointed out, the scarcity of sources cited. It's a fun video for people who just want to be told a story, I guess, but certainly not the Bible of Hollow Knight lore that a large portion of the community seem to have deemed it.
I personally think the White Lady is based on the white mold that grows under the bark on rotting logs.
Mossbag isn't my favorite in terms of delivery and humor, but he does a good job at unpacking the lore. You might enjoy some of his other vids a bit more, since they focus more on detailed lore. You did a good job of exploring the lore yourself so many things that could have been revelations for you from the vid, were things you already knew. This vid is like 101 of Hollow Knight lore, it's most rewarding for people who played the game without paying much attention to things. There are other vids that explore more detailed topics that I enjoyed more. Overall, much like FromSoft, it's fun to explore, interpret, and discuss the lore of HK.
If you get the King's Brand before killing Herah, Hornet will be sitting by her bed
if you are looking for the specific stories of npc's. mossbag has some videos going into more detail on specific subjects like the grimm troupe or the colloseum
Honestly, probably the reason why you weren't as excited about this is unless you've read the entire wiki, or played the game multiple times trying different ways to beat the game, or just read literally every journal, lore tablet, and spent time pondering it (which is the path you, mapocolops, took), there were things mentioned in this video that you probably wouldn't have come across, and just filled in the general knowledge of the game. Also, this is like the cliff's notes version of previous videos mossbag's done.
I watched his video after a bunch of people recommended it and came away from it with the same feelings as you. It serves as a vehicle for his humour first and as an informative storytelling video second. A shame really.
OMG cannot wait for a Super Metroid playthrought on SNES !!!
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Yep this is pretty much how I felt when I saw the video after seeing it recomended from everyone and highly praised. Their attempt at humour did not land with me at all and kind of ruined the experience as a whole, making it difficult to take the rest of the video seriously, plus yeah, the lack of sources isn't very great.
Mossbag is like matpat for hollow knight since even matpat got it wrong. Almost every fandom has someone like him being specialist for specific topics
An interesting tidbit about our player character knight possibly being a true, Pure Vessel - you can actually choose to see him as pure, or just as flawed as the Hollow Knight
The Hollow Knight shared a moment with the Pale King, and thus had emotions, making him flawed.
We're given the option to share a moment with Quirrell, at the Blue Lake. By our own choices we can either retain that the knight is a pure vessel, or just as flawed. Simple and beautiful storytelling, and it all happens with a single button press when you choose to sit down with him.
What is pretty fun is how much you actually did yourself so you didn't get too much from the recap video. Most people ive seen beat the game rush through a lot of it so you definitely had major dedication to the lore yourself.
But anyways the only thing i was disappointed with on your own playthrough was you reloaded to see one critical dialogue thing from hornet, but you didn't reload the part before you beat herrah the beast so you missed the revelation that hornet is her daughter, and the fact she believes you can change the fate of hollow nest that she allows you to kill her.
Plus with a video like this the sources come from him doing lore videos for quite a long time, culminated by this one. A lot of the lore in this game is not directly explained so there isn't really a way to give sources on screen in some cases.
I believe pale king deemed hollow knight as truly hollow just because they assumed every vessel should be hollow but taken out the only one that skilled or focused enough to escape while others try to escape instinctively. But that capability comes with higher risk of being tainted with idea or mind
I know there isn't an order in the events of the game BUT my theory is that when you first banished Radiance in the "Dream no more" ending she actually takes shelter in the mind of the Godseeker and its dream, not dying at all. Then, when you defeat her in Godhome, its for real, 'cause The Void is finally with a purpouse and a form, and its unified, acquiring the power needed to defeat such a threat. I'm saying this based on how the essence particules appeared when you defeat her: in the first ending the essense extends like a hand reaching for help, while in the Godhome one it just explode and then fade away.
Ofc you can do the Godhome ending first, but gameplay wise it doesen't seem right, if yall know what I mean, so if you see it this way it could make sense.
I've seen the lore video recommended a lot and had decided to save it as some sort of mark of achievement for completing the game. A celebration of sorts. But the humor reaaally didn't land with me, and I just couldn't watch it all the way through because it annoyed me. Bummer, the lore parts were interesting.
I for one appreciate your honesty when not liking a vid. Makes the things you like more worthwhile. Oh and I never spent a rancid egg either. Those hints were way too vague for me.
Yeah for the record, the Land of Storms, and the location which the godseeker is ‘making’ the god tuner, are both rather difficult areas to find.
To which one is rarely accessible when ENTERING godhome. It just has a random chance to take you there. Easiest to just enter and exit continuously to see if you enter.
The other, the Land of storms, is probably the hardest since you need to beat every pantheon with every binding.
hornets and wasps are related more to ants. not bees
Hi ! I discovered you through your Ocarina of Time playthrough and then, since I love Hollow Knight, I just watched your entire playthrough of this game as well. Since this is the end of it, I thought I'd share some thoughts !
Firstly, I really enjoy your personality and the way you play through games. Getting to re-experience a "first-time" playthrough with you is a delight.
Secondly, I am sooo happy that you realized the use of rancid eggs by the very end of it lol, I was wondering if you would ever get the answer to that mystery.
Finally, I am really looking forward to your Majora's Mask playthrough and since I'm here, maybe I can throw in some games that I would love to see you experience ? Hades and the Ori games are the ones that come to mind. I know you've considered them before, so I just hope you'll be able to find the time to play them sometime, if you want !
Cheers !
Thank you so much for this playthrough. It really is my favorite one ever. The way you express your thoughts with us is really cool. Metroid Dread would be a good next metroid vania to try. I also suggest Undertale and Celeste for your next indie games. Looking forward to your next playthroughs as they really brighten my days!
The Land of Storms is something a select few will ever see. To get there, you have to beat the Pantheon of Hallownest with all 4 bindings 😓
In the intro you skipped over, Mossbag detailed what the sources are, as well as the links to examine the sources for yourself. I highly recommend looking over that if you truly feel like he didn't cite his sources, also, there are no spoilers on Super Metroid in the intro. It only brings up one of the narrative devices that the original Super Metroid used to convey its worldbuilding. Skipping the intro to a video can be helpful sometimes if you want to save time, but it can lead you to miss out on some very important information that you otherwise would have missed. Worst comes to worst, you could read the transcript if you feel like that is too much of a spoiler.
Honestly i don’t like that everyone now watches this video at the end of their play through. It’s a nice little tradition but… I feel like it makes the discussion around hollow knight lore much more stagnant.
Don't worry about not being able to do POH. It's draining to get to the later stages only to die and restart another hour long run. I've got close but have yet to beat it myself.
I don't really vibe with the humour either, and the lack of sources is really annoying. Regarding Steel Soul Jinn, in the regular game Confessor Jiji will teleport your shade to you, in exchange for a rancid egg, that is what the "regrets" are, and the only use for rancid eggs, and as dying in steel soul mode is a game over, Jiji is useless, so Jinn replaces her.
i think you'll enjoy mossbag's other lore videos more, because here he has to put a lot of information into a single video, so a lot is left out.
I totally agree with you, i wish this video did point to where all of the information comes from, unfortunately that's not the case, but, at least, having all the information now yourself, when playing the game again it will be much easier to see things and go "aaaaaahhhh, so that's where this comes from/ so this is what this thing means"
This video is mostly recommended for people to confirm their views on the Hollow Knight lore and his other videos are the more in-depth ones that dives into specific topics in Hollow Knight. Also, people just have different senses of humor and personally I've grown to appreciate most of them.
Mossbag is the right man for Hollow Knight lore, most ppl would say "oh yeah the HK Lore guy".
yeah it's a good video, probably the best lore video when it comes to general hollow knight lore, but it does tend to get overhyped for sure. the lack of citations and the attempts at humour detract from it. still glad to see your reactions to some of this stuff. of course ideally it would have been better to see you find more of this stuff in game yourself but realistically there are going to be things that you'll just never see over the course of a youtube playthrough, as well as some things you've already missed.
it's worth mentioning that this video didn't cover a lot of stuff. as mossbag said, he basically skipped over all the characters and interactions that weren't directly related to the game's central plot. characters like quirrel, cloth and the nailsmith spring to mind. that said there are basically infinite wells of lore in this game (mask maker has videos all to himself iirc) so it's up to you if you actually feel like it's worth pursuing any further.
I would love if he would remake this video to match the times, and make it less about humor and more about the lore itself with sources and all that. Maybe even going a little deeper past surface level, doing more theory crafting and whatnot
I mean, i agree with you, but he has separate videos on dlc's and certain moments of lore, and despite them going much deeper then surface level, humor is still there. I guess it is just his style, and question if you vibe with it or not. I cant say i love his humour too much, but in the same way vaati seems tooo boring and dramatic for me sometimes
i dont agree. the humor is great.
22:35 at best, I snuffled a bit at this joke when I first watched it, but seeing your reaction to it cracked me up 😂
The RUclips channel 8-Bit Music Theory did a trilogy of videos about the Hollow Knight soundtrack that shows how the music helps make lore connections in the game. It's fascinating and definitely worth a look.
I hope you mean what you said about Metroid. That series is very near and dear to me, and I'd absolutely love to see it captivate you the way it did me, from Super to Dread (1 and 2 omitted for obvious reasons LMAO) Also, maybe skip Other M too xD
You can actually send the flowers to several NPCs from the grave of the traitor’s daughter (I remember there are Oro, the white lady, and the elder bug available) you can try. There are some details worth savoring, and I found Oro is so cute when receiving the flower. He seems to have done something wrong to Mato and then he imprisoned himself in the Kingdom’s Edge, much far away from the Mato’s room. But heartwarmingly in the heaven they fight together as brothers.❤
Ah, the rite of passage :) .
Thanks for this. I'm glad you've enjoyed Hollow knight and thank you for sharing it with us.
(Most people can't get half as far as you have. I'd just look up the 2 final ending. Certainly don't try the pantheon twice.)
The issue with Hollow Knight Lore is that we have very little facts. You have to piece things together from names, locations looks and multiple conversations. The lore in this video is what we know for "sure" meaning we have strong evidence for it. The details you were looking for (unfortunately) do not exist. Mossbags other videos are focused on smaller topics, which still contain a lot of speculation but in those he gives you all the evidence you were looking for.
Damn, is that introduction skip a bit of a teaser that you might play the Metroid series on the channel?
I mean he literally said it, open your eyes😂
Ah, you forgot to return the journal.
You're in for a heck of a trial.
Also, the king's workshops are in the palace, under a ledge and off-screen, after a leap of faith.
When talking about the contradictions regarding what makes the Knight *hollow* despite it having a will: I like to think that the term hollow is in regards to not having a religion or an ideology. All of the bugs worship either the pale king, the radiant moth, or some type of God. If the knight is an atheist, then it can resist the power of the Radiance because it doesn't believe. This is backed up by the fact that the Radiance got her power from believers and the pale King got his power from believers. By not believing, the God had no power to infect the *hollow* knight's mind. This theory also works with the Godmaster stuff because the Knight can defeat the attuned gods because it doesn't believe in them. The danger is that by defeating all of the gods, the Knight becomes a God himself. The God of gods, the Lord Shade, the Devourer, the Void Entity. The 'God' of *hollow* atheists (the shade, the void):
"Inspired or mad, those ancient bugs.
They devoted their worship to *no* lord, or power, or strength, but to the very darkness itself."
If you complete the pantheons with bindings that remove upgrades, it unlocks the blue door, which I think unlocks the knight statue in the hall and also gives you lifeblood for the pantheons.
(No way I could do it.)
37:00 ACTUALLY, there's already a mod for that, check "tribe of battle" for the entre mantis clan fight