Serious question: If you put more points in Conceptualize does it make more relevant ideas or more outlandish ideas? Reason I ask is because I don’t know if the banter Woolie got from Conceptualize was either irrelevant because his skill was considered low or creative because his skill was considered high.
@@deadpanforlife8878 I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention across the whole play through however I have played the original release of the game, so I feel I can comment on how the traits work to a degree. There's a threshold that has to be met for some of the skill checks to turn up, though there are some that will always be present. The former are usually denoted by the relevant skill making an observation and are leveled relative to the point in the game that you are expected to encounter those conversations and events. They also tend to be easier. In some cases where the threshold is high the outcome will be negative even on a success because the impulse that the PC (don't know what name Woolie is going under at this exact point, or whether the PC has recovered his documents and knows his actual name) is acting on is irrational (prime example is yeeting the patonque ball into the river, which is basically a tutorial for this mechanic and doesn't require a lot of strength). Conceptualisation is one of the more difficult skills to pin down in terms of its material effect on the character but I think it's prone to overloading your thought cabinet with debuffs, requiring you to spend more levels on dumping bad ideas instead of boosting stats, and makes illogical connections between unrelated information; demanding that you act on them and question people about stuff that doesn't matter. Bringing it back to your question the answer is kind of both, I guess. Later game checks will require greater levels of conceptualisation for the PC to keep up with what other people are referring to but equally the things he infers can be so incredibly outlandish that they will hinder the investigation if you dwell on them too much. It's a system that can feel obtuse if you try and explain it or map it out but it works well to represent the PC's internal thought processes.
In the broad strokes, Disco Elysium’s setting is pretty similar to our real world, but too different to feel truly familiar. In short: it feels like having retrograde amnesia. Being in a world you remember wrong. It’s genius
@@gurtygee I get what you mean with the comparison, but I'd argue that almost every place in the world has a close and painful relationship with failed revolutions, a life defined by the crushing weight of being ruled by vast and abstract capitalist entities, and a fragile hope for an alternative world, one better than the one we've been given. These feelings are very strong in Latin America but they're just as relevant for Europe, Asia, Africa, the Pacific, and even the Anglosphere, no matter how much americans and western europeans try to hold onto some kind of global superiority. with this plus the mix of languages and historical parallels used, you could probably give this game to anyone in the world and somewhere in Martinaise they'd recognize their own home.
The funny thing about the petanqué checkmark is that failing it's the right thing to do. If you succeed, you grab the ball and throw it into the ocean and you have to find another ball for the two. Failing makes you actually do a perfect throw, shocking the two. And the reason knowing about the game lowers your percentage it's because it "lowers" your chances of mistaking the game.
Agree or disagree, it's VERY funny that Woolie started this session dissing on conceptualization to the grumbling of his audience, and then bumbled into a perfect example of people with too high conceptualization being blinded by their artsy instincts. (The statue rebuilders were too focused on making a *statement* to realize they were basically re-erecting a statue of an oppressor of the poor right in the middle of a poor district, and at great expense)
@@gimpscam9976The message is easily lost over time. It's more identifiable as the shitty person, the abstract "exploding" will lose meaning after years. At its core it's still just a statue of a shitty politician that made this area shittier. Maybe the funds allocated to revamping that statue could have helped in a more lasting way.
@@gimpscam9976 Because like they alluded to in the video, the irony will be forgotten and it will lead to glorifying the Oppressor. Not sure where you live but in the Southeastern U.S we often have statues of Confederate Leaders in parks and other public places(there have been strong somewhat successful attempts to remove them in the last 5-6 years) and they're often glorified or "respected" even by people who know Slavery is wrong. I could go on but that's the POV of someone who sees it happen often.
Conceptualization feeding you insights into other methods of thought: Darlington Sleeps Inland Empire saying giving cocaine to a fetus is a commendable long term investment: WOOLSWORTH AWAKENS *VIVE LA REGNUM COCANIUM*
@@Reionder look-here, a typical RUclips weirdo thinking that his opinion matters to the content creator that will never read his unpaid comments. Was this internet personality not up to your standards? booohooo better wine about it xD
In case this gets seen at a point where it'd be useful, it's a good idea to hold onto *some* skill points to re-open a white check you wanna try again sooner rather than later. That way you get multiple attempts with increasing odds. It's also technically useful for increasing the chances at succeeding a red check, although I more hold points for the former reason. Also, holding points lets you open thought cabinet slots right when you get a new thought, which is good since you wanna start internalising those early to have them kick in sooner. It isn't a bad idea to put some points in skills you want to chime in via passive rolls though, since if they're too low you'll almost never hear from them (my authority was 0 or 1 most of my runthrough, so I almost never heard it). As for the conceptualisation critique, the point where people were unironically theorising about Woolie's irl conceptualisation skills was pretty silly. But it did strike me that a lot of the dislike towards the skill from Woolie was coming from either disliking the "wacky" options, or not really seeing the relevance. For instance last episode, Kim made the joke about the next racist you find being the best one. Conceptualisation gives you the idea to build upon his joke with the "lucky racist" comment, something Kim builds upon with his own joke. It was definitely a relevant response, being a silly joke and one of the few light-hearted interactions you can have with Kim early on. It's undeniably silly, but Kim was also being silly for a brief moment. A lot of the time Conceptualisation gives your character out there responses which is, honestly, in character. It's something I try and get my friends to understand when they play this game, your character isn't normal no matter how much you try. Severe amnesia means they don't understand some basic concepts, and you're always the biggest weirdo in the room. If you can't really embrace that idea, you'll have these moments of dissonance where you don't like any of the options given. Imo you shouldn't pick what you think are the most rational options, or you'll be labelled a laughable centrist, a boring cop, and probably not enjoy a lot of the game's elements trying to play everything carefully. Figure out if you wanna just be insane, or try and be a recovering alcoholic that's doing his best... while having constant conversations with people in his head. I don't listen to conceptualisation all the time mind you, but sometimes you wanna embrace the silly concepts just to see how people reacts. It can even help you as a cop sometimes, throwing people off and playing dumb.
Woolie reaction towards conceptualization is really strong, specially compared with other even more intrusive and one note skills like Drama or Electro-chemistry, and combining that with him apparently being unable to understand from where is conceptualization dialogue is coming from, even in really simple cases like the 3rd racists one, makes the "joke" that he has really low IRL conceptualization feel that it has a lot of true in it. Is understandable not LIKING a certain mindset, but when Woolie critique sounds more like lashing at something he can't understand then some eye-rolling is to be expected, specially considering Woolie general stance against that kind of reactions.
@@JeedyJay Fun fact actually, the suggestion to internalize race theory isn't to subscribe to it (even though that's literally how it's phrased for some reason), just to consider it. After you do so, you can go back to Measurehead and like 5/6 of the response options are different attempts to refute it. So while conceptualisation says you *could* become a Semanese supremacist, it's also advocating you think about it so you can properly refute the ideas. In fact conceptualisation even acknowledges there's not much merit to the idea in the success portion of the throught cabinet.
43:10 "Gonna just rewrite history in your brain" I mean the Encyclopedia check did flat out say that the cocaine thing was tacked on 150 years after his death. It *Might* have just been revolutionary propaganda, at least that's the implication that I got Edit: ALL HAIL KING SNOWFLAME THE THIRD
Ok between the Encyclopedia entry and the later dialogue there seems to be a contradiction. I think the king who had a revolt against him did have a cocaine problem but the revolutionaries rewrote history/propagandized it to his ancestor when they sacked the museum with his body in it and threw his body into the ocean. So "Our fuck up king is junkie hooked on cocaine" became "The monarchy has always been crackheads" to serve political ends and ambitions
If you get Perception higher (which is a skill you wanted anyway) you also find more loot spots, which means more money/bottles and healing items, which also means you are less dependent on the health skills.
@@colbyboucher6391 Yeah, I searched again, to make sure I was not mistaken, but found someone on reddit writing the same - no loot nook and cranny untouched and 10+ health items on both. That's similar to my experience
"It would be really weird if we lived in a society where history's greatest monsters had effigies to their deaths as part of regular society" Yeah haha like can you imagine seeing statues of people who fought a war to keep slavery around every day? Cries in southern US
The great thing about talking to Rene is it gives you insight into just how unhinged Revachol as a country was before the attempted communist uprising, and the eventual subjugation by the Coalition. Sure it's through the rose tinted glasses of a bitter, wizened fascist, but damn if Revachol under the Suzerain doesn't sound like a wild time to be alive.
Woolie: yeah this king definitely slept on golden flowers like a dragon and snorted mountains of cocaine Also woolie: people strapping themselves to bombs? Literally would never happen And an actual communist revolution is somehow top right
@@yohohoho971 right, the revolutionaries who overthrew the king are a way more reliable source on the king and his dragons lair bed, only the old guy is biased
@@P0intxOfxImp4ct "The South were totally, definitely, absolutely not, in it for slavery. Those are nothern lies. Long live the Confederacy" I'm just ribbing ya, but you know, sometimes the winners know what's up, and the losers are sore.
@@onimaxblade8988 "the indians were savages and we brought them medicine and science" winners can be biased as well. I agree with what you're saying generally just weird where people decide to believe wholly and then not
Ah, yes, no need to make your HP better, just buy more and more medicine with that abundant amount of money you so easily come across without any difficulty.
In the UK on the 5th of November it's commonplace tradition to throw an effigy of Guy Fawkes on a bonfire, which is supposed to be irony for him attempting to blow up parliament.
*Composure, Legendary* [FAILURE]: "Oh haha wow, so a bunch of losers and weirdos are gonna make fun of me because I have literally no imagination huh? Okay, sure, whatever. And here I thought we could all be chill and civil about discussing whether abstract thought should be allowed to exist but I guess not!"
I can conceptualize why Woolie prefers the direct racism vs the subversive kind. It's like trying to deal with shit trying to hide ALL the time. Where-as you can confront direct racism.
Someone gets it. And that's basically his whole thing when dealing with it, it's so absurd and stupid that you can literally repeat what they're saying as a joke
@@TMMQuicksilver Good to see that get shut down so hard. Just because you watch a black guy make jokes on RUclips doesn't start giving you the pass to play your racist cards.
As someone from Atlanta which is right next to the enormous effigy of Stone Mountain. Yeah, it might be a little weird to see monuments and statues put up years after the fact to terrible people. Just everyday, sometimes they have plaques explaining why they're bad actually though....sometimes.
As a Louisianan, I would frown at someone going "Gweeliam". As someone who bothered to learn the jank Cajun French names like Thibideaux and Arcenaux, I would feel like knowing something more simple than what you would know as "William" is a simpler affair.
23:30 more of his character is revealed later on, but was René saying in response to this mans chronic back pain that it’s a cause for their nations downfall?
Woolie you really gotta learn from Pat to just roll with the punches and embrace them rather than patheticly try to defend yourself from youtube comments poking fun at you for jokes.
You dorks realize he doesn't read these comments right? Woolie and Pat have both said they don't read RUclips comments anymore they read twitch comments because those pay them to read them.
@@Dread_Not He doesn’t read the comments most of the time, but Woolie kinda revealed his hand by mentioning stuff people have been saying in the comments or at least in manga’s chat. Besides, half the time when you see comments like this, you’re really just seeing if anyone else agrees he’s getting frustrating to watch at points
And just what kind of woman do you think are going to sign up as police officers? I would have loved it if you could challenge Rene to a wrestling match with officer Judit Minot! You could call it a "fair fight" if he tries to play the age card!
@@hblue7176 People sign up to do thing's their not cut out for everyday. I wanted to go pro in basketball as a kid but that probably wouldn't have panned out me being 5"10. There are plenty who want to be police because of a sense of justice or desire to abuse power, but are no where near physically capable enough.
@@hblue7176 Well your point would mean anything if their bar on physical evaluation would be the same as a mans but it is lowered in almost every country in most physically demanding jobs (police, firefighters,soldiers). Also yea it would be really good to see a 80 yo war veteran wrestling a 20-30 yo supposedly fit policewoman. Sure that would prove to everyone that women are as strong as any man. Sure..... Also there is no abundant videos online where you can see women trying to do anything against men that are similarly trained (because lack of strength can be compensated by technique. So a better trained woman will have a chance against a man, depends on the gap in training between them.). So yea stop huffing western feminazi propaganda.
Kind of almost wish the Fillipe III story went even further and had the revolutionaries recreating the Cadaver Synod--that's one of those things people would never believe was a real event. Also goddamn it Kim the Paledriver's one of the most interesting rando side characters in the game!
Ah. But there's a particular reason beyond simply 'not bothering an old sleeping woman' that would prompt Kim to stop you. 'The Pale' (which I won't define here, to avoid spoilers for others) is a concept that makes Kim *DEEPLY* nervous and uncomfortable, and it's implied that he recognizes the effects that it can have on various people... Such as Mrs. Paledriver, there. Thus, he'd very much like to avoid talking to her - if possible - simply so he can avoid thinking about the subject at all.
Dear Woolie and Reggie. I hope you like my long watchtime increasing your RUclips metrics because I'm most likely going to watch this entire playthrough from start to finish. I'm loving it so far. Especially the way you take the game at such a slow pace. It means that I can play the game myself at my own pace, while watching your playthrough at the same time and I never have to be worried about spoilers. Btw, don't read this as sarcastic. I'm aware that my whole comment could sound like some huge long winded sarcastic jab at both of you, but i really do like this series.
1:20 Very interesting. I haven't read any of the accusations, but your hatred for conceptualization did strike me as odd and out of nowhere. Almost always if you find that sort of mismatch between stimulus and reaction it usually is because it's not actually what's currently going on that's causing it directly but it triggering a past negative experience which is the actual cause the person is reacting to. In other words. Whatever the accusations are, as a neutral bystander, I think they're onto something. At least in the sense that there is something going on here.
So, I’ve been making a habit of listening to the podcast at .5 speed for a laugh every now and then, and I’ve found out two things: 1. Woolie says “you know” way too often. 2. Woolie sounds abnormally drunk at that speed, meanwhile Pat to an absurd degree in the opposite direction sounds really patient and composed most of the time
The personalities chiming in with random shit is kind of the point, they're not always helpful, there's a pro and con aspect to all of them, they're meant to represent the wandering mind of a broken man, he can't alway maintain focus, so sometimes they chime in with nonsequiters or sometimes they chime in with useful information, I think woolies probmen with conceptualization is that it's always dealing with the abstract rather than factual stuff.
the game is a little weird so comments can get a little weird too. the game has a bit of a bias by the way, conceptualization contributes to that bias. the people who are plugged in know what i’m talking about
damn that's lame, literally every youtuber or streamer goes hard on the communism. I know it was dumb to think anything else would happen with woolie but oh well. I'm just glad he's having fun with it.
@@Ubersupersloth Ah, yeah, with the sunbathing in the snow. He does do a lot of "crazy white people" humour which has a whole history behind it in stand-up, which I know he's really into. If you have a problem with that whole genre of jokes, fair enough. Anything apart from that?
Am I the only one bothered at the constant french words thrown around that half of them we don't get the meaning to? Getting lost man. It's like this game was made for a french crowd and I'm sitting here like "bruh I'm American... What are yee doin to me :c "
Americans are too used to having everything attuned to them. Still boggles my mind that subtitled movies in America aren't a thing really. Meanwhile when I'm watching something foreign I always keep my phone open so I can quick translate any word I didn't know before
I don't see why Woolie's taking the time to address the complaints, just don't Conceptualize them.
Oh fuck that's good
Best comment. Everyone needs to see this. It's too good and counters anything Woolie could say in response.
Serious question: If you put more points in Conceptualize does it make more relevant ideas or more outlandish ideas?
Reason I ask is because I don’t know if the banter Woolie got from Conceptualize was either irrelevant because his skill was considered low or creative because his skill was considered high.
@@deadpanforlife8878 I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention across the whole play through however I have played the original release of the game, so I feel I can comment on how the traits work to a degree.
There's a threshold that has to be met for some of the skill checks to turn up, though there are some that will always be present.
The former are usually denoted by the relevant skill making an observation and are leveled relative to the point in the game that you are expected to encounter those conversations and events.
They also tend to be easier.
In some cases where the threshold is high the outcome will be negative even on a success because the impulse that the PC (don't know what name Woolie is going under at this exact point, or whether the PC has recovered his documents and knows his actual name) is acting on is irrational (prime example is yeeting the patonque ball into the river, which is basically a tutorial for this mechanic and doesn't require a lot of strength).
Conceptualisation is one of the more difficult skills to pin down in terms of its material effect on the character but I think it's prone to overloading your thought cabinet with debuffs, requiring you to spend more levels on dumping bad ideas instead of boosting stats, and makes illogical connections between unrelated information; demanding that you act on them and question people about stuff that doesn't matter.
Bringing it back to your question the answer is kind of both, I guess.
Later game checks will require greater levels of conceptualisation for the PC to keep up with what other people are referring to but equally the things he infers can be so incredibly outlandish that they will hinder the investigation if you dwell on them too much.
It's a system that can feel obtuse if you try and explain it or map it out but it works well to represent the PC's internal thought processes.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090
Ah I get it. Thank you.
In the broad strokes, Disco Elysium’s setting is pretty similar to our real world, but too different to feel truly familiar. In short: it feels like having retrograde amnesia. Being in a world you remember wrong. It’s genius
@@gurtygee but the designers from from northmost europe and the designs of things reflect that
@@gurtygee I'm interested in how you reached that conclusion when nearly all the characters have French accents.
@@gurtygee I get what you mean with the comparison, but I'd argue that almost every place in the world has a close and painful relationship with failed revolutions, a life defined by the crushing weight of being ruled by vast and abstract capitalist entities, and a fragile hope for an alternative world, one better than the one we've been given. These feelings are very strong in Latin America but they're just as relevant for Europe, Asia, Africa, the Pacific, and even the Anglosphere, no matter how much americans and western europeans try to hold onto some kind of global superiority. with this plus the mix of languages and historical parallels used, you could probably give this game to anyone in the world and somewhere in Martinaise they'd recognize their own home.
Mark Roper Irrelevant to what I said
Chris Anderson French accents are all over the world, wherever the French have colonized. Including South America
The funny thing about the petanqué checkmark is that failing it's the right thing to do. If you succeed, you grab the ball and throw it into the ocean and you have to find another ball for the two. Failing makes you actually do a perfect throw, shocking the two. And the reason knowing about the game lowers your percentage it's because it "lowers" your chances of mistaking the game.
Agree or disagree, it's VERY funny that Woolie started this session dissing on conceptualization to the grumbling of his audience, and then bumbled into a perfect example of people with too high conceptualization being blinded by their artsy instincts. (The statue rebuilders were too focused on making a *statement* to realize they were basically re-erecting a statue of an oppressor of the poor right in the middle of a poor district, and at great expense)
I never really understood why the statue being rebuilt was so bad. I know their statement and such but it makes sense reading it out like that.
@@gimpscam9976The message is easily lost over time. It's more identifiable as the shitty person, the abstract "exploding" will lose meaning after years. At its core it's still just a statue of a shitty politician that made this area shittier. Maybe the funds allocated to revamping that statue could have helped in a more lasting way.
@@gimpscam9976 Because like they alluded to in the video, the irony will be forgotten and it will lead to glorifying the Oppressor. Not sure where you live but in the Southeastern U.S we often have statues of Confederate Leaders in parks and other public places(there have been strong somewhat successful attempts to remove them in the last 5-6 years) and they're often glorified or "respected" even by people who know Slavery is wrong. I could go on but that's the POV of someone who sees it happen often.
Oh wow!
On Pat's stream: "I'm not gonna talk to those old guys, it's long and boring."
On Wollie's steam: "ROYAL CRACK BABY!"
The duality of man.
Hahahahaha!
Conceptualization feeding you insights into other methods of thought:
Darlington Sleeps
Inland Empire saying giving cocaine to a fetus is a commendable long term investment:
WOOLSWORTH AWAKENS
*VIVE LA REGNUM COCANIUM*
stop you're being a "youtube weirdo"!!
@@Reionder Yeah Woolie saying that was pretty fucking stupid. I like how he deflects all criticism with "youtube weirdo".
@@kinghijinx5892 typical content creator mentality. Sucks because I expected more from him
@@Reionder look-here, a typical RUclips weirdo thinking that his opinion matters to the content creator that will never read his unpaid comments. Was this internet personality not up to your standards? booohooo better wine about it xD
@@Dread_Not LOL
In case this gets seen at a point where it'd be useful, it's a good idea to hold onto *some* skill points to re-open a white check you wanna try again sooner rather than later. That way you get multiple attempts with increasing odds. It's also technically useful for increasing the chances at succeeding a red check, although I more hold points for the former reason. Also, holding points lets you open thought cabinet slots right when you get a new thought, which is good since you wanna start internalising those early to have them kick in sooner. It isn't a bad idea to put some points in skills you want to chime in via passive rolls though, since if they're too low you'll almost never hear from them (my authority was 0 or 1 most of my runthrough, so I almost never heard it).
As for the conceptualisation critique, the point where people were unironically theorising about Woolie's irl conceptualisation skills was pretty silly. But it did strike me that a lot of the dislike towards the skill from Woolie was coming from either disliking the "wacky" options, or not really seeing the relevance. For instance last episode, Kim made the joke about the next racist you find being the best one. Conceptualisation gives you the idea to build upon his joke with the "lucky racist" comment, something Kim builds upon with his own joke. It was definitely a relevant response, being a silly joke and one of the few light-hearted interactions you can have with Kim early on. It's undeniably silly, but Kim was also being silly for a brief moment.
A lot of the time Conceptualisation gives your character out there responses which is, honestly, in character. It's something I try and get my friends to understand when they play this game, your character isn't normal no matter how much you try. Severe amnesia means they don't understand some basic concepts, and you're always the biggest weirdo in the room. If you can't really embrace that idea, you'll have these moments of dissonance where you don't like any of the options given. Imo you shouldn't pick what you think are the most rational options, or you'll be labelled a laughable centrist, a boring cop, and probably not enjoy a lot of the game's elements trying to play everything carefully. Figure out if you wanna just be insane, or try and be a recovering alcoholic that's doing his best... while having constant conversations with people in his head. I don't listen to conceptualisation all the time mind you, but sometimes you wanna embrace the silly concepts just to see how people reacts. It can even help you as a cop sometimes, throwing people off and playing dumb.
Woolie reaction towards conceptualization is really strong, specially compared with other even more intrusive and one note skills like Drama or Electro-chemistry, and combining that with him apparently being unable to understand from where is conceptualization dialogue is coming from, even in really simple cases like the 3rd racists one, makes the "joke" that he has really low IRL conceptualization feel that it has a lot of true in it.
Is understandable not LIKING a certain mindset, but when Woolie critique sounds more like lashing at something he can't understand then some eye-rolling is to be expected, specially considering Woolie general stance against that kind of reactions.
I know it’s gonna be a great video. I hope conceptualization continues to piss Woolie off.
Boy, it didn't take long at all this time.
If a voice in my head was whining about my filenames and trying to make me a turboracist, I'd tell it to fuck off too.
Philistine Cop
@@JeedyJay Fun fact actually, the suggestion to internalize race theory isn't to subscribe to it (even though that's literally how it's phrased for some reason), just to consider it. After you do so, you can go back to Measurehead and like 5/6 of the response options are different attempts to refute it. So while conceptualisation says you *could* become a Semanese supremacist, it's also advocating you think about it so you can properly refute the ideas. In fact conceptualisation even acknowledges there's not much merit to the idea in the success portion of the throught cabinet.
@@TMMQuicksilver The mere concept of ~Concept~ualization pissed Woolie off at the start of the vid. This is the Best series on the channel now
43:10 "Gonna just rewrite history in your brain" I mean the Encyclopedia check did flat out say that the cocaine thing was tacked on 150 years after his death. It *Might* have just been revolutionary propaganda, at least that's the implication that I got
Edit: ALL HAIL KING SNOWFLAME THE THIRD
Ok between the Encyclopedia entry and the later dialogue there seems to be a contradiction. I think the king who had a revolt against him did have a cocaine problem but the revolutionaries rewrote history/propagandized it to his ancestor when they sacked the museum with his body in it and threw his body into the ocean. So "Our fuck up king is junkie hooked on cocaine" became "The monarchy has always been crackheads" to serve political ends and ambitions
If you get Perception higher (which is a skill you wanted anyway) you also find more loot spots, which means more money/bottles and healing items, which also means you are less dependent on the health skills.
@@colbyboucher6391 Yeah, I searched again, to make sure I was not mistaken, but found someone on reddit writing the same - no loot nook and cranny untouched and 10+ health items on both. That's similar to my experience
Is it one of the best skills?
38:39 No, I did not pronounce it as “GASKWANG”
Like that’s just nonsense. Who would say it like that?
Woolie is still hung up on it despite the *GAME ITSELF* pronouncing it the way he didn’t like
"It would be really weird if we lived in a society where history's greatest monsters had effigies to their deaths as part of regular society" Yeah haha like can you imagine seeing statues of people who fought a war to keep slavery around every day? Cries in southern US
I feel for you, I wish we would tear down those statues. Also, Woolie doesn't seem to know what an effigy is. A statue isn't an effigy.
Reddit moment
Sucks Woolie hates conceptualization so much. It was one of my favorites throughout the entire game.
Why? Honest question.
You'd better believe I FUCKING YEETED that ball when I got here
I mean...were you rewarded with gastons sandwich?
The great thing about talking to Rene is it gives you insight into just how unhinged Revachol as a country was before the attempted communist uprising, and the eventual subjugation by the Coalition. Sure it's through the rose tinted glasses of a bitter, wizened fascist, but damn if Revachol under the Suzerain doesn't sound like a wild time to be alive.
Woolie: yeah this king definitely slept on golden flowers like a dragon and snorted mountains of cocaine
Also woolie: people strapping themselves to bombs? Literally would never happen
And an actual communist revolution is somehow top right
Woolie should read more theory
I think the fact it is called Sex Cult Suicide Bombers by an old disgruntled imperialist fascist is what gives rise to skepticism.
@@yohohoho971 right, the revolutionaries who overthrew the king are a way more reliable source on the king and his dragons lair bed, only the old guy is biased
@@P0intxOfxImp4ct "The South were totally, definitely, absolutely not, in it for slavery. Those are nothern lies. Long live the Confederacy"
I'm just ribbing ya, but you know, sometimes the winners know what's up, and the losers are sore.
@@onimaxblade8988 "the indians were savages and we brought them medicine and science" winners can be biased as well. I agree with what you're saying generally just weird where people decide to believe wholly and then not
Ah, yes, no need to make your HP better, just buy more and more medicine with that abundant amount of money you so easily come across without any difficulty.
"I hate the non sequiturs" then you're gonna hate this game champ
Yeah, it's not like it's the core mechanic of this entire game or anything.
Yeah he clearly hates it so much. Why do you ppl bitch and moan so much?
That's literally not what he said.
In the UK on the 5th of November it's commonplace tradition to throw an effigy of Guy Fawkes on a bonfire, which is supposed to be irony for him attempting to blow up parliament.
It just crossed my mind that they would be enjoying the Shadowrun games as well. They should try them someday
What's your favorite of them?
Man, i didn't know that the Sheen family used to rule a country.
funny enough actual art degree is one of the better thoughts in the game, it gives you a fuck load of xp if you take it kinda early on.
Guillaume or Guillaume? “If it doesn’t rhyme with million , you’re saying it wrong “
*Composure, Legendary* [FAILURE]: "Oh haha wow, so a bunch of losers and weirdos are gonna make fun of me because I have literally no imagination huh? Okay, sure, whatever. And here I thought we could all be chill and civil about discussing whether abstract thought should be allowed to exist but I guess not!"
1. [Begin ugly crying in frustration.]
2. “THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM UNDER THE COMMUNARDS!”
3. Wait, can I back out of this?
3. Wait, can I back out of this?
No.
It's unimaginative to not like something.
I do think it was pretty rude and reductive to say that about Woolie.
I'm digging the BGM. Like, it's only because the camera is pointed at the ground, we're not seeing the BeBop flying overhead.
I can conceptualize why Woolie prefers the direct racism vs the subversive kind. It's like trying to deal with shit trying to hide ALL the time. Where-as you can confront direct racism.
Someone gets it. And that's basically his whole thing when dealing with it, it's so absurd and stupid that you can literally repeat what they're saying as a joke
The Rene/ Gaston substory is pretty great. I hope they get all the pieces for it later on.
HAMMER AND SICKLE!
THE IMMORTAL SCIENCE OF MAZOVIAN SOCIO-ECONOMICS!
Star and antlers, this is Revachol.
I can’t wait to build the biggest communism
Communist!
Green is not a creative colour.
Lime Green is nice
@@renaigh GREEN IS NOT A CREATIVE COLOUR.
Sea foam green or metallic light green is nice
@@reco5able green is not a creative colour.
@@NevetsTSmith IT'S A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE
Actual Art Degree is the best thought in the game.
Wompty-Dompty Dom Center would like to disagree.
@@Sutairu_Masuta Get both for maximum stat gains from high INT, become GODETECTIVE
Homo-Sexual Underground would like a word :^)
"woolie the actual rascist", wait where did THAT come from? is that some manga thing?
I think he means being compared to Measurehead.
@@TMMQuicksilver Good to see that get shut down so hard. Just because you watch a black guy make jokes on RUclips doesn't start giving you the pass to play your racist cards.
It's on the youtube comment, plenty say "no but woolie is racist for real though" or at least three of them and woolie find it weird
@@aleg719 Wait really?! I thought it was a reference to terrible jokes like mine.
People leaning a little too hard into the Woolie lore
As someone from Atlanta which is right next to the enormous effigy of Stone Mountain. Yeah, it might be a little weird to see monuments and statues put up years after the fact to terrible people. Just everyday, sometimes they have plaques explaining why they're bad actually though....sometimes.
thermite is cheap and easy to produce tho so as long as we have time and etch-a-sketches we can always get rid of the bigot statues
That's not what an effigy is.
"6th dimensional Elves and the Great Conciousness floating through space" Wow, what great conceptualization.
"Imagine if we had effigies to history's greatest monsters" I mean... we have statues of Confederates so close enough i guess
As a Louisianan, I would frown at someone going "Gweeliam". As someone who bothered to learn the jank Cajun French names like Thibideaux and Arcenaux, I would feel like knowing something more simple than what you would know as "William" is a simpler affair.
Rene "Make Revachol Great Again" Arnoux
MRGA!
What an amazing playthrough, great balance of commentary, jokes and deep thoughts. You two have great synergy
23:30 more of his character is revealed later on, but was René saying in response to this mans chronic back pain that it’s a cause for their nations downfall?
An insane man dosnt need sequiturs. He just says.
Kim: "When you talk... Do you listen to yourself?"
The Cop: "Eh. I drift in and out..."
Woolie chatting about the "old days of Giant Bomb" in April; he doesn't even KNOW yet
I heard "Okay René" as "Okay honey" and that would be such a fun thing to say in that moment
Woolie you really gotta learn from Pat to just roll with the punches and embrace them rather than patheticly try to defend yourself from youtube comments poking fun at you for jokes.
Minh did say woolie was sensitive.
DAMN youre an asshole
@@ash2crimson968 sensitive is putting it mildly, and it’s also very ironic considering the type of humor Woolie likes
You dorks realize he doesn't read these comments right? Woolie and Pat have both said they don't read RUclips comments anymore they read twitch comments because those pay them to read them.
@@Dread_Not He doesn’t read the comments most of the time, but Woolie kinda revealed his hand by mentioning stuff people have been saying in the comments or at least in manga’s chat. Besides, half the time when you see comments like this, you’re really just seeing if anyone else agrees he’s getting frustrating to watch at points
Regarding Guillaume, as a guy from Poland I only knew how to pronounce it because there was a character with that name in a Witcher 3 dlc.
28:05 but that's the point Woolie, the exception isn't the rule. Just because every 1/10 chicks are buff doesn't mean the average is close at at all.
And just what kind of woman do you think are going to sign up as police officers?
I would have loved it if you could challenge Rene to a wrestling match with officer Judit Minot! You could call it a "fair fight" if he tries to play the age card!
@@hblue7176 People sign up to do thing's their not cut out for everyday. I wanted to go pro in basketball as a kid but that probably wouldn't have panned out me being 5"10. There are plenty who want to be police because of a sense of justice or desire to abuse power, but are no where near physically capable enough.
@@hblue7176 Well your point would mean anything if their bar on physical evaluation would be the same as a mans but it is lowered in almost every country in most physically demanding jobs (police, firefighters,soldiers). Also yea it would be really good to see a 80 yo war veteran wrestling a 20-30 yo supposedly fit policewoman. Sure that would prove to everyone that women are as strong as any man. Sure..... Also there is no abundant videos online where you can see women trying to do anything against men that are similarly trained (because lack of strength can be compensated by technique. So a better trained woman will have a chance against a man, depends on the gap in training between them.). So yea stop huffing western feminazi propaganda.
People probably know how “Guillaume” is pronounced because the beginning is the same as “Guillotine”
Gweeloteen
You merely adopted the crack, I was born in it. Molded by it.
Kind of almost wish the Fillipe III story went even further and had the revolutionaries recreating the Cadaver Synod--that's one of those things people would never believe was a real event.
Also goddamn it Kim the Paledriver's one of the most interesting rando side characters in the game!
Ah. But there's a particular reason beyond simply 'not bothering an old sleeping woman' that would prompt Kim to stop you. 'The Pale' (which I won't define here, to avoid spoilers for others) is a concept that makes Kim *DEEPLY* nervous and uncomfortable, and it's implied that he recognizes the effects that it can have on various people... Such as Mrs. Paledriver, there. Thus, he'd very much like to avoid talking to her - if possible - simply so he can avoid thinking about the subject at all.
Monday October 30, 2023 5:09pm baking an apple pie right now
5:16pm 4:14 took trash out
7:52 “some people’s talent is bad leadership” wise words
23:53 sounds personal Woolie
30:49 …what?
31:49 because you have amnesia
Why do I picture tiny Pat just running up and stealing young woolie’s soccer ball, only to kick it as far as he can.
*because that would be the best*
Paige would probably ask if Pat was the ball.
I pronounce Guillaume 'Gass *duck noise*"
I guessed Guillaume because in Spanish we have Guillermo
Memo for friends.
My yellow stat told me the old man's cheating at that ball game every time he complains about his back 🐵
Sorry Woolie. I am not leaving.
Oh no? He'll cry as you make him more money daily? Pull your head out of your ass.
@@Dread_Not Naw he can just give him money to insult.
This is too fun to miss out.
Guillaume only really appears in french-speaking countries, so I don't think anyone familiar with it would pronounce it any other way than french.
B O U L E S
Thank you for playing this great game!!
There's gotta be an All Star joke in here somewhere I just can't find it.
This is the first time I've heard of something like cocaine being referred to as "nose candy".
Really? Where are you from? It's a pretty common old-person way to talk about it.
As Mr. T once said so fittingly:"It´s a crack baby, fool!"
Dear Woolie and Reggie. I hope you like my long watchtime increasing your RUclips metrics because I'm most likely going to watch this entire playthrough from start to finish.
I'm loving it so far. Especially the way you take the game at such a slow pace. It means that I can play the game myself at my own pace, while watching your playthrough at the same time and I never have to be worried about spoilers.
Btw, don't read this as sarcastic. I'm aware that my whole comment could sound like some huge long winded sarcastic jab at both of you, but i really do like this series.
"How many of you misread Guillaume?" Me. My dyslexia autocorrected it to Guilhelm.
Woolie, when you're playing a game full of political strawman jokes it's inevitable that someone's going to be labeled a racist.
Sooner or later.
1 - Top Left
2 - Top Right
3 - Bottom Left
4 - Bottom Right
5 - Jreg
3 is actually middle
@@ryanrobot7975 you think you're smart?
1:20 Very interesting. I haven't read any of the accusations, but your hatred for conceptualization did strike me as odd and out of nowhere. Almost always if you find that sort of mismatch between stimulus and reaction it usually is because it's not actually what's currently going on that's causing it directly but it triggering a past negative experience which is the actual cause the person is reacting to.
In other words. Whatever the accusations are, as a neutral bystander, I think they're onto something. At least in the sense that there is something going on here.
Woolie doesn't like the non sequiturs in this game? Then why the hell are you playing it? It's literally the point of the game.
Oh common comments, Woolie can't be racist, he has white and asian friends.
Sorry Woolie, just had to make that trope joke ^^
Fuck YES inject this game right into my VEINS
I dont think Woolie knows what an effigy is.
39:02 It’s also used in N’Orleans! *hiss*
yes cop is a pejorative term in many places
Here's hoping you start giving some shivers into your main stat definitely needs some improving 🙂
I'm never reading these comments again.
Why?
So, I’ve been making a habit of listening to the podcast at .5 speed for a laugh every now and then, and I’ve found out two things: 1. Woolie says “you know” way too often. 2. Woolie sounds abnormally drunk at that speed, meanwhile Pat to an absurd degree in the opposite direction sounds really patient and composed most of the time
and you're sharing this insight because?
i want you to give me back the time i spent reading this but give it back to me at .5 speed
I start to agree with the comments 😅 it really seems it is "Woolie Vs.. Conceptualization" stg 😂
I know how to say Guillaume because of the hockey player Guillaume Latendresse
Woolie doesn't enjoy conceptualization, this is something people can't conceptualize.
I can, it's just funny that he hates it because he lacks it himself
René "Uncle Ruckus" Arnoux
"...No relation."
The personalities chiming in with random shit is kind of the point, they're not always helpful, there's a pro and con aspect to all of them, they're meant to represent the wandering mind of a broken man, he can't alway maintain focus, so sometimes they chime in with nonsequiters or sometimes they chime in with useful information, I think woolies probmen with conceptualization is that it's always dealing with the abstract rather than factual stuff.
In a decades time I wonder if humanity will still have the capacity for revolution.
disco elysium ruined my fucking life
the game is a little weird so comments can get a little weird too. the game has a bit of a bias by the way, conceptualization contributes to that bias. the people who are plugged in know what i’m talking about
damn that's lame, literally every youtuber or streamer goes hard on the communism. I know it was dumb to think anything else would happen with woolie but oh well. I'm just glad he's having fun with it.
“Goes hard on”
As in goes the communism route or “hard on” as in against?
@@Abdega former
Maybe you should just play the game instead of paying Woolie with ad revenue and complaining?
@@Dread_Not I already did and also I can easily block ads for content creators I dont like if you think me supporting woolie would make me mad.
@@GameBooAdvancePlus so you're literally just salty that people pick the fun and somewhat sensible communist route?
I read it as Guilliman from Warhammer, cause I don't care for french
Rowboat Girlyman?
The Gill-Man who came to steal everyone's manhood with his Coat of Stars...
rawbooty girlyman
BEGONE CENTRIST
5:30
You can be pretty racist though, Woolie.
Like when?
@@Kreacher3 Recently on “it takes two” he said “what crazy white people shit is this?”
@@Ubersupersloth Ah, yeah, with the sunbathing in the snow. He does do a lot of "crazy white people" humour which has a whole history behind it in stand-up, which I know he's really into. If you have a problem with that whole genre of jokes, fair enough.
Anything apart from that?
@@Kreacher3 Hmm...
that’s pretty much it as far as I can recall.
Edit: Oh yeah. He also uses the “N-word”. How could I forget that?
@@Ubersupersloth I mean, he's black, so I don't know if I'd call that racist.
Am I the only one bothered at the constant french words thrown around that half of them we don't get the meaning to? Getting lost man. It's like this game was made for a french crowd and I'm sitting here like "bruh I'm American... What are yee doin to me :c "
Americans are too used to having everything attuned to them. Still boggles my mind that subtitled movies in America aren't a thing really.
Meanwhile when I'm watching something foreign I always keep my phone open so I can quick translate any word I didn't know before