All-Mediocre | Fiat G.50 Freccia
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- During the thirties, Fiat Aviazione was one of the most advanced aircraft manufacturers in Europe. With the advent of new technology at the time, it was obvious that the next stage in the development of the aircraft industry, especially in military aviation, would be centered around all-metal monoplanes. Fiat’s Chief Designer, Ing. C. Rosatelli, had been designing mixed-construction biplanes and even an all-metal bomber. As the demand for a modern, all-metal fighter plane was high, Fiat officials made a decision to hire a young aircraft engineer named Giuseppe Gabrielli, who would later design the Freccia, the first operational Italian all-metal fighter.
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An article by Marko P
Narrated by Ashley Shannon
Edited by Mace
Sound edited by Ashley Shannon
My great-uncle flew a G.50 in the 20th gruppo, 353a squadriglia, formed part of the CAI in Belgium and saw action in North Africa against the British. He claimed 2 victories in that model. Tullio Covre.
My relative allso flew G.50 and had several victories agains soviets.
Brave man
Very interesting. What is his name?@@juhopuhakka2351
Molto interessante, allora non è vero che i G.50 del CAI non avrebbero mai incontrato aerei inglesi?
@@GianpieroMilanettino, penso che sia vero che non hanno incontrato caccia inglesi nel CAI. Le 2 vittorie contro gli inglesi Covre l'ha fatte in Africa.
The G.55 was what Italy needed in 1941. Centauri were actually good planes when available. The Luftwaffe even liked them.
The Luftwaffe thoroughly tested the G.55 and pilots really liked it for handling. But by that time, it wasn't any superior to the Me 109G, at least not good enough to justify retooling German assembly lines. In fact, it would have made more sense to produce 109s and 190s in Italy from the start.
Nevertheless, G.55, MC202/205 and Re2005 are probably the best looking aircraft of WW2 - against tough competition.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 the problems for the Italians were the engine underpowered..this Is why Italians use bomber with three engines .. give Italians a Better engines,and they could hade a chance
@@alessandrogini5283 Which sounds "stupido" in the first place; Italy usually has and always has had plenty of wonderful engines. Isotta Frascini (hope I wrote this correctly) comes to my mind. But then, high performance aircraft engines (as in high altitude) are a different pair of shoes.
From a strategic point of view however, it would have been easier to produce the until 1942/43 still excellent 109 in Italy. Also, 109 was laid out for mass production already. Don't get me wrong; I blame the Germans, not the Italians !
@@ottovonbismarck2443 the problem wasn't the aircraft,but the engine..with good engine for example,re2005 could be produced earlier ,same for the others reggiane,as well g55.. they could had a decent bomber without try to kill enemy ships with bombs of 50kg .. the original program of the g50 refereed to 2 cannon and 2 machineguns,It was the lack of horsepower that under mine italian planes
@@alessandrogini5283 It was also a lack of mass production capabilities !
My father passed away in 1922 at 98 yrs of age.
He was from a very small town in Umbria, Italy.
The only way the town would get it’s news was to
go to the town piazza (square) , where the news
was projected against the wall of the municipal building.
The whole town was present that evening and were
excited to here Mussolini speak. Whenever he spoke
the whole crowd would cheer ‘ Viva Il Duce’ !
When Mussolini announced that Italy was joining the
war , the whole crowd fell silent in stunned disbelief.
Everyone knew it would end badly for Italy , but no one
could do anything to prevent it.
My dad did his duty and served in North Africa, where he was captured
during the battle of El-Alamein.
Franco of Spain remained neutral.
Franco was smart , Mussolini was not.
Your dad died in 1922 ??? How old are you ? How did he serve in WW 2 ?? Did I read this correctly??
Who knew an ‘all-mediocre’ label could hide such intriguing history? This is a must-watch for aviation geeks craving lesser-known WWII aircraft tales.
REGIA AERONAUTICA:The Italian Air Force had in 1940: 1300 medium bomber ,1160 fighter aircaftt, 500 recoinassence aircraft .It had very good warfighters like Macchi 202 and Macchi 205,Fiat G 55 and the Reggiane RE 2005 (maybe the most beautiful airplane of the WW2) .Italy built from (1940 to 1943) 11508 airplanes(always less in comparison with the othern nations). Only the fourth squadron destroyed 585 airplanes plus 215 probably .The SM 79 was an amazing medium bomber ,very effcient as torpedo bomber ,infact sinked a lot of military ships (Fearless ,Bedouin ,Nestor ,Foresight,Pozarica ecc).The sum of the official ranking of the(only) flying aces is of 1225 shooting down aircrafts.(The highest is Franco Lucchini with 26).
@@lucaorlandi289 occasione sprecata quella degli aerosiluranti...si sarebbe potuto avere molti sm79 come aerosiluranti almeno dal 1937
I have a soft spot for this underdog. It looks evil and Grim. Nice vid PE, just one note: the sleek, beautiful plane at 10.38 is a 202, not a G55: keep up the hard work Pal, much appreciated!👍
For me the Freccia is a very beautyful plane 👍🏼
@@MangoTroubles-007 Re. 2005 was sexy.
The Finns made good use of these and Re. 2000s. When your average opponent is a post-Purge Ruskie in an I-15, I-153, or I-16, it's nearly impossible to lose during the Winter War.
There were no reggianes in finland
Finns only had Fiat G50s nothing else. At the start of winter war November 1939, Finland had 10 Fiats ready, out of 35 ordered. It was longest serving fighter in Finnish Air Force, from 1939 to 1946.
@@Bob-b7x6v Gladiator gauntlets fokkers buffalos
@ - yes you’re right. I know we had number of other fighters and felt I didn’t need to mention that. I just took what wiki said to refresh my senior memory. Finnish Fiats shot down 11 (according to wiki.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.50_Freccia) between February and March 1940.
@@Titus_2_11-12If memory serves, in the continuation war they shot down 82 planes while two were lost to enemy aircraft, which would make them the plane with the highest victory ratio of all aircraft on Finnish side. Several of them were written off because of damage from accidents or other causes, which would make the de facto k/d ratio somewhat less.
Man, the Fiat archives run deep.
Nice analysis of this plane. Clear with enough both technical and historical details. Subscribed.
Great video on the G.50 and well presented too. Thanks for sharing 👍😊
Italian fighters are the acid test of airbrushing skills.
Italy liked high manoeuvrability over speed and firepower, hence a large number of of biplane fighters fielded even in 1940. Until they encountered an airforce deploying state-of-the-art aircraft it had served them well until 1940. The G50 was still plenty good enough in the mid 1930s just not in the same class as Spitfire IIs and Me109s nor with their development potential of these platforms.
I dig the Halo OST as a background.
The G.50 almost had a cranked-forward wing like a Ki-43 Hayabusa, which is basically it's less-chonky Japanese cousin.
No that's completely false
The Ki-43 Oscar had the Butterfly Wings and was one of the most maneuverable monoplanes of all time
Itaiians have beautifull nature design on cars and G50 was a handsome airplane.
Like the well known saying goes: "If it looks good it'll probably fly good and YE GAWDS that Italian thing hurts my bloody eyes!"
I like the Halo background music.
It would have been hard on Italy's anemic industry but a 1000 hp engine (Piaggio radial or Frascini inline) and an additional 2x 12.7s in the wings would have kept the plane competitive with Hurricane. Bizarre that it was not designed for desert conditions considering most of the Italian colonies were in Africa.
They didn't gave too much effort to devolped engines..the main issues were the lack of coordination,lack of rare materials like nichel ,lack of High octane fuel
Italian industry had already designed and built in 1929 a 1000 hp inline aircraft engine , the Fiat AS.5. In the early 1930s, the Italian Ministry of Aviation decided to abandon the design of linear aircraft engines in favor of radial engines, which were considered more robust. A mistake that would have to be remedied by producing the Fiat 1050 RC.58I, the Italian version built under license of the Daimler-Benz DB 605.
@67claudius do you have facebook?i want see you something about the matter italian engine
@@67claudius yes,too Little to late . however, regia aeronautica had 14 different engines for their Planes when german air force had only two,the Damlier benz and the jumo
The last thing Nigel Cullen saw was a G.50.
Both sides had good and bad aircraft. No one could call Italian pilots cowards, but like most of Italy's armed forces, they were poorly trained, armed, and equipped.
More iconic than Macchi C.200 and exported for $$$ because it was not as good!
Nice use of the Halo 3 soundtrack :)
Okay, so I wasn't the only one that noticed? Haha
I find the repetitive fake film scratch effects on the computer game clips to be very distracting. It'd be better not to pretend that's footage of real aircraft. Between that and the distorted aspect ratios on a lot of the historical footage, this was a nice video to listen to, less so to watch.
Pictures @ 12:12 and @16:21 are the same planes. One picture has been "colourised" but the markings on the G50, and ID (JU-CS) and ordnance on the 110 are the same.
I doubt one picture shows the Battle of Britain while the other shows Nth Africa
@13:34 Italian Ju 87 Stuka
And then they put a Daimler-Benz engine on it.
4:50 Why didn’t he just pin his hat to the side of his head?
Qualcuno sa dirmi perchè era cabriolet?
Given how limited Italy's industrial capacity was, it was not a good idea to produce many different types of aircraft for the same mission at the same time. Fiat had the CR.32 in production when the G.50 prototype first flew. There was no economic need to artificially keep Fiat in business by ordering another low performing aircraft. It would have been a much better choice to order Fiat to immediatelly start developing a DB600/601 powered variant instead of putting the radial powered type into production.
Exactly..Maybe the re2005 could be deployed earlier ,and the same could be done with the tanks
@@alessandrogini5283 Italy's radial engined fighters of the late 30s were unable to compete with other fighters of the time. The main reason wasn't even the drag of the radial engine. Italy's radials simply weren't strong enough. They fell 200hp short and they didn't have any high altitude performance.
The most intelligent solution would have been to produce one type of fighter with the underpowered engine, to provide the air force with an instant stop gap solution. The MC.200 performed better than the G.50 and it was cheaper and easier to mass produce than the Re.2000. That's why standardising on the MC.200 would have made sense.
At the same time, they should have negotiated for getting a DB600/601 licence asap and the Italian air force should have issued a specification for a more powerful domestic engine to the industry.
@@Itsjustme-Justme db600/601 licence was a game changer, and It Will put italian air force to the same level of the others players, Maybe slightly Better in some cases.. Personally,for fighters i think they could use re2000/vizzola f5,and later g55/re2005 with further development..interesting, originally the db600 was built only by alfa romeo and build only in the factory of Pomigliano d'arco.. minister of air could muster 5/600 aircraft engines for month only due not use Fiat and the others Companyes to build the engine..same could be said for the Maybach..with other coordinations and stealing some german licens,Easy Italy could had a decent tank and eccellent fighters..and Imagine if Italy had built the infrastruccture to make High quality benzine octane from 100 to 130 unlike the 87/90 that were used to have..also Italians High command avoied to devolped radio and torpedo bombers due lack of intelligence
@@alessandrogini5283 The Re2000/2005 had excellent performance, but the design was expensive to build. Not ideal for a small industry.
The Vizzola F.6 /F.7 was maneuverable but slow. In fact the F.7M was the slowest DB605 equipped single seat fighter. It was a good decision to drop that developement in favor of the MC.205 and G.55.
@@Itsjustme-Justme in 1940, f5 vizzola and re2000 could be chosen instead of the fiat50 and the macchi200
I enjoy the G.50 and the C.200 in war thunder, they are reliably mediocre if that makes sense 😅
They're actually some of the better options at their BR...
Italian pilots have the right to freeze solid on an open cockpit
G50 in finnish use score a win loss ratio of 33/1.
Looks like it's missing its upper wing.
Here awe go again with the Italian jokes about their arm race
The air ministry should’ve rejected it at least so I wouldn’t have to look at probably one of the ugliest planes of ww2
😀
The pilot had a thing about open cockpits , don’t know why perhaps they thought it was manly
Just like Japanese fighter pilots in the 1930's.
Many features of WW2 fighters such as retractable undercarriages, low wings and enclosed cockpits were not liked by airmen who favoured features more suitable to WW1. This was not unique to Italy but was a worldwide thing. Air to air fighting still emphasised tight manouvering in one on one battles at low or medium heights whereas WW2 combat took place at high altitudes favouring raw speed and diving attacks from an advantage of height, things made possible by radar and early warning systems first done by the British in 1940.
Open cockpits were favoured because early fighters had short range and frequently landed on improvised fields fro refuelling and rearming and the practice even with fighters with enclosed cockpits was to open the canopy for landing. This was often done with early Spitfires and Hurricanes but was not possible with ME109's due to their sideways swung canopies. ME109's suffered high losses on landing in rough airfields so that the preference for open cockpits at the early war years may have had some merit.
All mediocre. Beats the Italian tanks
Same Company, Fiat,that didn't devolop something risky or buy new tools without statal Money..for example, read the 1933 scand of Ansaldo for plates of the battleshipes