What if Kaliningrad/Königsberg WASN'T Owned by Russia (Alternate History)
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- [DISCLAIMER: This video contains speculative fiction and whilst based on historical events for reference, this is not a 100% accurate re-telling of history. This video was meant to Entertain, never to offend]
So, aside from being an Artist, I'm also a big History Nerd. I decided to make a video in the Alternate History Genre so I could have an excuse to talk about my hyper-fixation!
Also, the Water Country ad doesn't appear in this video because the subject matter is just a little too serious for that Gag. I apologize for breaking my track Record.
Independent Kaliningrad would be so weird. I wonder what type of relationship it would have with it's neighbors.
As someone with East German/Prussian and konigsberg heritage I for one would love to see the return of konigsberg to Germany and or some other Baltic country.
Fun fact. Poland in 2023 has borders similar to 1000 years earlier, at the beginning of its statehood. In Poland, the western lands are called "Recovered Lands".
Wasn’t expecting a history lesson but this was still interesting
Some more alternate Kaliningrad scenarios to consider:
1. East Prussia is divided between Lithuania (SSR) and Poland, along the Pregolya river (with islands in the river being assigned to one country or the other). The city of Königsberg is thus divided between Królewiec, Poland and Karaliaučius, Lithuania.
2. Independent Kaliningrad, version 1. In 1945, the Königsberg region is annexed and repopulated by the USSR as in our timeline, BUT instead of being incorporated into the Russian SFSR, it is made an SSR in its own right. Thus, it becomes an independent country in 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolves.
3. Independent Kaliningrad, version 2. Same as our timeline except that at some point (possibly still in the future), Russia fights a war against NATO and loses. As part of the peace treaty, the victors insist that Russia give up Kaliningrad Oblast. Russia must withdraw its armed forces from the region, but the Russian-majority civilian population is permitted to stay. The oblast is placed under a temporary NATO occupation government, which aggressively seeks to de-Sovietize the region. Kaliningrad is renamed back to Königsberg (Кёнигсбер), Sovietsk is renamed to Tilsit (Тильзит), etc. The region itself is renamed Yantaria (= Amberia, but in Russian), due to being the world's largest source of amber. Yantaria eventually gains sovereignty, on the condition that it is permanently banned from ever reuniting with or allying with the Russian Federation.
4. Czech Kaliningrad. Other countries actually take Czechia's 2022 annexation of "Královec" seriously, because why the hell not?
Kaliningrad 51st US state?
what if kaliningrad oblast became part of US State 51st? What if Königsberg (East Prussia) was given to America instead of USSR after World War 2, and later turned into the 51st US state? My idea?
Can you Edit your comment Kaliningrad 51st US state? sorry for Asking you
I liked your comment Interesting
YESSSSSS, KRÁLOVEC! Also, i would love independent Kaliningrad, because if it was, there wouldnt be any problem with ethnicity. Also it would be interesting seeing it join NATO and EU. And if the video would be right, it would be interesting to see Belarus AND Ukraine join NATO and EU. Just a big wall against russia.
I need more alternative history from you!
I want to make more Althists, hopefully after my Next Big Video!
@@fi-fithedestroyer5871 ok
I don't know much about the topic but you made it very interesting I'm always happy to see new videos from you so good job excited to see more
This video is non ironically awesome, keep up the great work
I love the content, but one tip correction when it came to East Prussia (Ostpreussen). It was technically an exclave much earlier than WW2. While under the first Hohenzollern rulers and a puppet state of the PLC it was an exclave to Brandenburg-Prussia as they unified into a single state before the Poles were kicked out as their puppet master.
true. some maps for the curious:
early prussian expansion:
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Brandenburg-Prussia during vassal/exclave Prussia:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Map_of_Brandenburg-Preussen.jpg/220px-Map_of_Brandenburg-Preussen.jpg
Everyone knows that kaliningrad belongs to Chzekia 💪🇨🇿💪
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Nahh 💀💀💀 Kaliningrad is Paraguay 🇵🇾🇵🇾🇵🇾
Lol
Back off, all of you, Kaliningrad belongs rightfully to México 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽💪
@luiscastaneda4583 No. It belongs to Germany. It was German, It should be German, and WILL be German.
You show Poland with a cross. Remember that Poland has never been Purtyan. It did not go to extremes like Western countries.
Underrated video, nice!
Oh well. Imagine if former east germans, lithuanians or us (poles) got that land after thesecond world war. If poland owned that land, then the kaliningrad oblast could've been a 17th voidodeship (in polish województwo), it being called probably east prussian or könisberg voidodeship
as a lithuanian, i do forgive you for doing that. even tho russian really isn't a big part of my life, it's a pain and a stain in our history that i would rather not relive... i would've been the happiest child in the world if we (alongside the other occupied nations within the soviet union) were free at the end of ww2, but that would've likely meant an even worse fate, so... either way, we'd lose. we'd lose klaipėda (memel), we'd probably have to give over the rest of our sea access to latvia... there's no way for us to be free at the end of ww2. i wouldn't want to have been born in a soviet regime, nor a nationalist german regime where i would immediatly be supressed and be made into a russian (or german) citizen. i want to be a lithuanian citizen.
again, i do forgive you for making that flag.
I think in this timeline where Russia doesn't own Kaliningrad and Germany owns it instead, China could easily dominate Siberia if they wanted to. Or in fact, maybe Siberia itself becomes independent from the Russian Federation and becomes their own nation. But I highly doubt how long their nation can last. Since China is on their borders.
Prussia was actually in two before Poland got partitioned.
This was really really good.
sorry to be annoying but you got a lot of things like timelines wrong, like you said that germany got rid of konigsberg as its capital after forming the german empire but it had done that a long time ago sometime in the 16 or 1700s.
If Poland owned it then Poland would a more liberal state due to the impact preWW1 borders have to this day
i like to think that in a combination of my own alternate history and your german kaliningrad scenario, the creation of nordstream is the difference between if world war 3 happens or not :/
Ingnoring any setbacks the nations would have experienced i would have given it to Germany or Lithuania (or maybe independent if possible)
I wonder what happens if it became independent
I also wondered that, however I didn't include anything about that in the video because that strayed a little to far into the "Me making something up" category.
I would’ve help the Soviet Union not to collapse by warning Gorbachev about traitors within his inner circle and even keep him safe and guarded until some traitors are rooted out. Then he would propose his new Union treaty and allow some Soviet republics freedom and many others staying with Moscow. Kaliningrad would definitely be renamed Koenigsberg. Or Prussia to be more culturally correct. And let some German roots return to this land. This would make Moscow friendly with Germany. Even allow visa free trips to west Europe and vice versa. Only in Europe alone.
"Wow, he’s so dumb"
I have no interest in history that it’s my least favorite subject, and you made it interesting. How do i sub a 2nd time, i must sub twice.
But now i really wonder, what if it was independent?
are you Pepsi man?
Yes :)
great entertaining video
What if Kaliningrad Become A Us State? 🇺🇸 great video new sub
Thanks man you're the most based subscriber I have so far.
the germans would also have been expelled from polish kaliningrad, like all other germans in previous german territories
good stuff
I wish Germany has Kaliungrad
Same me too
I wish US and Germany has kaliningrad 🇺🇸🇩🇪
I'm Polish. Personally, I prefer that Kaliningrad now belongs to Russia. Many people say that Kaliningrad is a threat, but 1 million Russians live in Kaliningrad, in a small area, surrounded by other countries. If Russia attacked Poland, Kaliningrad would be destroyed first. Kaliningrad can be a hostage... Russia is a strong country, so Germany has nothing to look for in Kaliningrad.
For me, the annexation of Kaliningrad to Poland could take place only if Russia lost it and could fall into the hands of Germany. Kaliningrad is in the east and Germany is in the west, and in between is Poland... Germany attacked Poland from Kaliningrad during the Second World War.
independent kaliningrad
Kaliningrad is Czech of course! 🇨🇿 Královec je Česko 🇨🇿
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what's that music at 23:00
*i wish prussia never come back again.*
Yellow russia Yellow russia
Królewiec🇵🇱
Königsberg🇩🇪
@@Wheninrome6042 Królewiec 🇵🇱 i chuj
Dude, Germany was renaming the cities , like gdansk or wroclaw were Polish way before Germans took those lands and renamed them to danzig or breslau so stop facking
@@AbodaSebah. U mean gdansk and Wrocław lol? They were Polish from beginning anyways
Even the german capital- Berlin was named by Polabian slavs and they named it... swamp.
@@Dominx17 Yep. Veleti
Jesus, this again. Yes, but the whole of Poland was Germanic before that. And the poles owned most of the regions for about 300 years, whereas Germany owned them for about 700 years.
It belongs to Germany. #prussia4life
W based real
L Prussia simp
История пруссии закончена и город навсегда русский. Любой агрессор будет уничтожен а вот присоединить Польшу и Прибалтику мы можем
Funny ruSSian
Поезда с немцами шли на запад, на родину Германию. Есть большая вероятность, что поезда с россиянами пойдут на восток, в Россию-матушку. Еще не вечер)))
Annex Poland and Baltic States? What claims do you have on them, you can't just annex them like nothing +NATO exists, so i think a more realistic scenario is Poland annexing Russia😂
What about we annex russia instead
You know, the city was German and nothin but German for 750 years. I would be bloody careful with words like “forever”