So if the holy spirit is god, the fathers spirit is holy? So now see what people do now we got 2 holy spirits or 3 if you count jesus it's 1 god not 3 calling it one wake up people !!!
@@Henry-f1y John 4:24 “God is spirit [the Source of life, yet invisible to mankind], and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 1 Corinthians 15:45 “So it is written [in Scripture], "The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);" the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].” The first chapter of the book of Revelation speaks of the spirits of God. There is one God; he is three persons in one. He does not have human limitations.
@@Henry-f1y “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24, KJV) In revelation chapter 1, it tells that God has seven spirits.
@@Henry-f1y God is a spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth; in the last book of the Bible, it relates that God has seven spirits.
Leave your emotions behind & speak only truth with confidence. If you're not certain or are confused, it's OK, seek & ask The Father for His Wisdom. Your emotions don't make your statements any more or less truthful; it only shows your fear, possibly of being wrong in a challenge, rather let it be you're seeking truth in relationship w The Father.
@@josiepens4480 can you make sense of the fact that light is both a part of the electromagnetic spectrum but also discrete particles known as photons? Does it make sense to you that it may change from the state of being a particle to being a wave under observation? Can you make sense of superposition, a subatomic particle that is in two places at one time? That it does not make sense to you does not equate to being nonsense. Isaiah 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts higher than your thoughts.”
@@josiepens4480 does it make sense to you? That light is both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and also photons? Does it make sense to you that under observation, a particle turns into a wave? Does superposition, a particle being in two places at one time, makes sense to you? if it does not, it does not automatically make it nonsense. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:9, KJV)
Thank you brother very good explanation, the trinity brings chaos, confusion and walking in the Light, walking with the Messiah means no confusion, thank you and God bless you,.
The trinity is demonic , it is idolatry , it is heresy , it is as you mention , confusion , it is contradiction to Gods own word ... honestly , its a stupid doctrine , but it has unfortunately worked to deceive so many ... we need to lift up our voice against this sinful teaching , because sadly , the trinity will land us in hell for heresy and idolatry , Jesus made it clear as day , if ye believe not , IAM HE , ye shall die in your sins ... The HE in the old testament revealed is Father God , which is the holy spirit , God is holy , God is a spirit , all in scripture , i can go on forever , the trinity is a lie from hell and if we study the word ourself , are willing to repent of these doctrines when God corrects us , we will be fine , but if we let youtubers or pastors , family or any one else replace the revelation God gives to those who diligently seek him because we are lazy and we prefer someone else to lead our path ... we will lead ourself to hell with them.
The study of scripture demonstrates the triune nature of God: as God, the father, he is eternal and unchanging. as God, the son, he reveals himself to human beings in human form and who experienced the suffering of mankind, ultimately suffering, death on the lacrosse to pay for the sins of humanity. You cannot accuse God of not understanding what it is like to be less than eternal, less than all powerful and less than all knowing; Jesus Christ and his earthly ministry learned the scriptures, learned obedience by the things he suffered and tasted death for every man. Jesus knew he would not remain on the Earth, that is why he sent God in the person of the Holy Spirit to teach us and guide us in the way of righteousness. Unenlightened human nature wants to make of the triune nature of God as three different gods. Enlightenment of the Scriptures by the spirit of God shows us the nature of God revealed in Jesus. Christ: God, the father, God, the son God, the Holy Spirit. It is human nature to want to reduce everything to our level of comprehension. It is the revelation of the nature of God through scripture as enlightened by his Holy Spirit that takes us beyond understanding. If you can reduce God to a religious philosophy, then you have philosophy apart from God. I am not a spouting irrationality, I’m talking about understanding that comes from God, not from our own minds.
You got it! It was God speaking in Jn 1:1. He spoke creation into being. At least that is what the Bible says. Gal: 4:4 :But when the time had fully come God SENT his son born of a woman: . If Jesus is God according to Jn 1;1, did he send himself as his fictional son? Was God born of the third person of the Trinity.... the Holy Spirit? Hmmmm?
I;ll be darm, I thought God said Jesus was his SON and Jesus always prayed to the father,,,,,IN HEAVEN. God;s holy spirit dwelled in Jesus in full measure, just as Scriptures stated the fullness of God dwells in us, but that doesn't make us God.!
I can't but admire the passion with which Bonevac discusses philosophical questions of crucial relevance to the humanity of the 21st-century. I can't wait for the video that will finally disclose how many angels can dance on a pinhead!.
@@timothys4864The trinity is nowhere to be seen in the bible. It was concocted by a committee of bishops in Nicea three centuries later and then interpolated in an epistle by "John" in the middle ages (one forgery on top of the original one).
@@cpolychreona You must not read the Bible. It is all over the bible. Also you should do better research on nicea and not get you false info from you tube videos.
any words added or removed from Scripture brings a curse Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV): “Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.” Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV): “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”
I myself am one person. If I astral project like yogis and S American shamans on DMT I'm still me in a different dimension When I go to heaven I'm still me. God is capable of all things, that would include existing on 3 planes.
The problem is that it defies logic, common sense, and reasoning. Yes, god is the true only god. But for the spirit and jesus to be FULLY god, yet separate beings, is just psychotic. Furthermore, you cant find a single verse to support the doctrine. This is another example of people playing a game of spiritual "connect the dots". It goes like this: you cant understand something. So you fill in the blanks with whatever senseless, mindless, conclusion you can dream up.
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God]. Col 2:10 And in Him you have been made complete [achieving spiritual stature through Christ], and He is the head over all rule and authority [of every angelic and earthly power]. Perhaps it doesn’t make sense to you that light is both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and yet also particles (photons). Perhaps at the quantum level superposition doesn’t make sense to you: particles that are in two places at the same time. That it doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t make it invalid. God says in Isaiah 55:9 “poor as the heavens are higher than the Earth, so are my ways than your ways and my thoughts and your thoughts.” The principle of God‘s triune nature is evident in the scriptures: John chapter 1, describes Jesus as being with God and being God, and that by Jesus, the universe was made. Genesis chapter 1 describes God, creating the heavens in the Earth, therefore Jesus is God the Holy Spirit is demonstrated as a part of the creative process:all three aspects of the Godhead are demonstrated. @@williamwalker-bm5mz
@william mwalker Your premise is based entirely on your logic, your common sense, and your understanding, not the understanding of God, who said in Isaiah 55:9 “for as high as the heavens are above the Earth, so are my ways and your ways and my thoughts in your thoughts.” It is the limitation of your logic as you place limitations on it that you do not/cannot understand the Trinity; God has no such problem. And deciding that God cannot be three persons you reduce him to the scale of a human being; true, you and I are single individuals, no more. in the complexity that is God there is no contradiction and being more than one person. as it says in genesis “let us make man in our image.” God is speaking to other aspects of himself: God, the father, speaking to God, the son and God, the Holy Spirit, If you’ve tried to define “us” otherwise this presents she with insoluble problems.
No, you cannot separate God from his name, Yahweh. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
Titus 2:13 CSB [13] while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Complicated doesn't mean wrong. I urge you to dive deeper. Jesus is the only way to heaven and part of your faith in him is the trinity. Look up Sam Shamoun trinity explained. He does absolutely amazing detailed explanations on it backed up by scripture.
@@St3ewit’s unnecessary actually. Scripture doesn’t demand for all this philosophical semantics to have a relationship with the “ONLY TRUE GOD” [AND] “the one whom he sent Jesus Christ”(John 17:3)
@@alonsogalindo1428 So, if youre using John as your indication as to what the Bible teaches, then I will also use John to refute you. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became Flesh" John 14:9-10 "Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work." John 20:27-28 "Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”"
@@alonsogalindo1428 So, if youre using John as your indication as to what the Bible teaches, then I will also use John to refute you. John 1:1 John 10:30 John 14:9-10 John 20:27-28
Matthew 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
So is the virgin birth, Christ's divinity, resurrection from death, healing of the sick without medicine, walking on water, the feeding of the multitude etc etc etc. You read an entire 2000 paged book on God doing the impossible and confounding human wisdom. This is a nonsense argument in and of itself. Even if you were to take "Jewish and Muslim critics" seriously, it isn't as if they have any ground to stand on when it comes to logical coherence either The Muslim problem of how Allah can be both Just and purposefully NOT punish the sin of those whom, even confessing belief and being observers of the law in its entirety, have self-admittedly broken said law (ie. sinned), is to me, a far greater and more disastrous an issue than the trinity. Either Allah is unjust or paradise is unattainable to everyone other than Jesus who never sinned
@@theeternalslayer Jesus said you must drink his blood and eat his body to have eternal salvation. As that has caused confusion, it must not be true, According to your logic. But reading the text, clarifies the matter; when ask further about it, Jesus clarified: the flesh prophets nothing, it is a spirit that gives life. He spoke prophetically that the shedding of his own blood, and the breaking of his body was the payment of the price for sin we could have eternal life. The issue of the Trinity is made clear by reading John 1:1-3 and Genesis one: 1-3. Jesus is with God, Jesus is God and created the heavens and the Earth; hello him created the heavens in the Earth, therefore Jesus is Elohim, both God, the father and God, the son. The Holy Spirit took part in the creation, therefore the Holy Spirit is also Elohim: God, the father, God, the son, God, the Holy Spirit. The word “Trinity“ is not in the Bible, on the other hand, neither is the word “gravity“, sir Isaac Newton did not invent gravity, he coined the neology from the Latin word gravitâtes, meaning, weight, heaviness. I doubt you would say because the word gravity is not in the older New Testament that there was no such phenomenon.
As a student of the Hebrew Bible related in another thread in this video, scripture relates Yahweh as the center dispatches Yahweh as the messenger, thereby establishing two parts of the Trinity, well you’re another part gives the name Yahweh to the Holy Spirit. The Trinity was known to the Jews. As for the Muslims, they have decided that the Trinity is father, son and the holy mother and they argue against the Trinity on the basis of this strawman argument. Here are the references: Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
*Acts 20:29, 30* - *Paul warned:* (29) I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. (30) Even from your own number *[the Christian Cong.] men will arise and distort the truth* in order to draw away disciples after them. 🚩 After Jesus' *faithful Apostles* died off... The Clergy of Christendom *apostatized* and fulfilled *Paul's prophetic warning* by adopting the man-made Trinity as doctrine.
The first Christians were Jews, and they understood from the Old Testament, the triune nature of God. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
@@denvan3143 The holy spirit is also called an 'it' (Num 11:17,25 (Rom 8:16,26.) The holy spirit is an impersonal force or extension of Yahweh. It works along side the angels and allows God to influence and take credit for certain outcomes by his design, while still residing on his heavenly throne. Thus the 'two Yahweh's'. Quite a simple concept really. Ask yourself, did Jacob really wrestle with God, or was it an angel? Are angels also part of the God-head then? Gabriel the angel proclaimed his name saying 'I am' Ego eimi, does that make him God like Jesus too?? It's all self defeating nonesense. Here is what is not nonesense. Deu 6:4 Shema Yisrael, Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh echad. There's one Yahweh. That is not a hint, that is black on white. And no, [echad] cannot be a compound unity. And no Gen 2:24 the marriage covenant does not prove that it can. I can dismantle that notion quite easily also, but to cut it short I'll end it here.
Shalom, Have you ever considered asking Christ rather than Turtullian regarding the trinity and it's authenticity? You migth be greatly suprised. Shalom..
Titus 2:13 CSB [13] while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Complicated doesn't mean wrong. I urge you to dive deeper. Jesus is the only way to heaven and part of your faith in him is the trinity. Look up Sam Shamoun trinity explained. He does absolutely amazing detailed explanations on it backed up by scripture.
Just ask a trinitarian how they can decipher between talking to Jesus, or the Holy Spirit or the Father and how do they know the difference and to give scripture for this understanding.
Acts 7:59 Stephen prayed to Jesus. Acts 5:3-4 If you lie to Holy Spirit then you lie to God. Rev 22:20 Jesus is prayed to. The Lord’s Prayer we address the Father. Anything we ask in the name of Jesus we will get. Is this enough?
@@nosuchthing8 Put not your trust in Princes nor a Son of Man in whom there is NO SALVATION Psalm 146:3. If Jesus put his truth in Peter then he was breaking the Fathers command.
@@timothys4864 For in him [Christ] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Colossians 2:9-10, KJV) I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:30,31 33, KJV)
@@timothys4864 My thumb is distinct from my index finger, they both are part of my hand. Jesus is distinct from God and that he is God in human flesh, but he stated repeatedly that he and God are one, that he himself is God that when you have seen Jesus Christ, you have seen God. R😂
Philippians 2:6 , Isaiah 9:6 , If you have a son , is he a person or a non person ? God's son , Jesus is the spittin image of his OLD MAN : Colossians 1 : 15-17 . Jesus is creator of everything
@@gokartbob6478 READ THE BIBLE " For unto us a child is born , unto us a Son is given , and thee government shall be upon his shoulder . and his name shall be called Wonderful , Counsellor , THE MIGHTY GOD , THE EVERLASTING FATHER < THE PRINCE OF PEACE . Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 7:14 A virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son , and his name shall be called Emmanuel which means God with us " Talkin about my Jesus
@@gokartbob6478 he was teaching us how to worship God . The thing is , Jesus is also God , Ho theos .The Holy Spirit is also God , Ho theos . Jesus said if you blaspheme him you might be forgiven , but if you blaspheme The Holy Ghost , you will never be forgiven , never ever . You can’t blaspheme anyone or anything except God
Jesus is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit is God’s spirit and not a separate person from himself. It’s that simple. Jesus is divine because he is begotten of the Father and not created like men or angels and therefore has a divine nature. In that sense and also in the fact that he represents God and is his image is Jesus called God even though he is another individual than God himself. He is the angel of the Lord or angel of the presence from the Old Testament. He is the one Moses talked to in the Bush and the commander of the Lords army who Joshua met. Strictly speaking though, only the father is the true God and Jesus is his son. Jesus himself said “this is life eternal that they might know thee the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent” John 17:3.
That depends on your definition of binitarian. I would say no because I believe that the Father is the only true God as Jesus said in John 17:3. God is a similar person not two or three. That would make me a Unitarian technically, but I hate that term because most of the modern day Unitarians deny the divinity and pre-existence of Christ. My view would be more in line with the pre Nicene fathers and also some of the restorationists of the 19th century. I believe that there are two divine persons but only one of them is God. Jesus is the word of and God and the son of God. He shares the same nature but is distinctly different from God and has his own identity. Sorry to ramble I just like to clarify my view because a lot of people don’t understand it. What is your view brother?
You don’t find the office of Messiah? It’s the next-door down from the office of God, the father. The next one after that is the office of the comforter, the Holy Spirit. You can’t miss them; they are all in a wing of heaven: the Trinity.
GOD IS love. The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of God the Father, and yet He is a distinct consciousness - imagine if your spirit had its own consciousness. It would still be as much YOU and YOU. It's consciousness would always want the same things you did. Man is body, soul, and spirit. JESUS is body, soul, and HOLY SPIRIT, therefore everything GOD the Father is, so is JESUS.
The Trinity is Fase believe If it is confused it is not of God. Period. God never says he is a 3 persons, NOWHERE. God says he is a Spirit John 4:24. God says I AM THAT I AM Exodus 3:14, not I AM 3 PERSONS THAT I ARE. NO. During Jesus on earth, God manifested in Jesus. Jesus is a puppet - meaning the Father speaks, Jesus move his mouth, whatever the Father does Jesus does also etc... At the cross Jesus cried out twice. Cry out 1 the Father left him. Cry out 2 his own spirit left him. All is left is Jesus' body on the cross and in the tomb. At the resurrection, God raise the dead body, took on the body, turn it into a glorify body, God took the shapes, forms and the characteristic of the body. God took back his name which is Jesus (Jesus is God's name or God himself before given to the created and temporary body for the fulfillment, the only begotten Son of God). So the Jesus you know today is actually God himself known by many titles, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Alpha & Omega, I AM, Almighty...etc. but God real name is Jesus Christ Acts 2:38 That is why Jesus commanded his disciples to baptised everybody in the (name - no s) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Matthew28:19. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names, they are titles. So, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit has a name and that name is Jesus Christ. What about Stephan saw Jesus stands at the right hand of God in Acts 7:55 and God says Let "US" elsewhere in the Bible then? These are not difficult to answer. Msg me if you need to understand more.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
It's not what I believe, it's what I know. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. ~ 1 Corinthians 13:12
*Against Praxeas, Chapter 10* _"So it is either the Father or the Son, and the day is not the same as the night; nor is the Father the same as the Son, in such a way that Both of them should be One, and One or the Other should be Both - an opinion which _*_the most conceited 'Monarchians'_*_ maintain. HE HIMSELF, _*_they say,_*_ MADE HIMSELF A SON TO HIMSELF."_
Philippians 2:6 - 8 “who, [Christ] although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes-the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
@@driatrogenesis”However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.”(1 Timothy 4:1-3) “However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.”(2 Peter 2:1) “For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”(2 Timothy 4:3,4) “‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”(Matthew 15:8,9) “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;”(Colossians 2:8) THE WARNINGS WERE THERE☝️
So God begetted himself and blessed himself with himself ? And then asked himself for help against the Children of Israel ? And then took himself up to heaven ? Doesn't sound very monotheistic or biblical to me. Sounds like Rome got their hands on the faith very very early.
@@jwsanders1214 he was asking a rhetorical question to point out the absurdity. The comment section is meant for discussion and to share our critiques amongst each other. No need to go banning free speech just because you got triggered.
@@jwsanders1214 It's nice that you're convinced of your position. I am not triggered by that, regardless of how different my conclusions are. I would never want to forbid you from stating your position or opinions. I want you to feel completely welcomed to speak whatever it is that's on your mind. That is the beauty of free speech, AMEN? 🙂
It appears that IF Jesus created everything for himself, then he created his own throne, thus had to prove himself worthy to sit on it. And if he created everything, then he must have created the first man ADAM. If this be the case WHY is Jesus called the second/Last Adam. God created everything with Jesus in mind and for him. God is the Father of Creation. Don't let anyone tell ypi otherwise. Even Jesus stated in Mark that God created male and female!!
@@priscillajervey8345: John 1: 1-3 states that Jesus was coexistent with God, that Jesus created everything and without any exceptions. There is no contradiction in Jesus sang that God created everything, including Man as male and female. Jesus stated repeatedly in the gospels that he is himself God; that is why the Jews on at least two occasions tried to kill Jesus.
Because Christ is the Word, it is most appropriate to use a linguistic paradigm to describe the Trinity. The word "word" derives from the Latin "verbum". It is this fact, in conjunction with the fact that the Son demonstrates the Father exhaustively, that the morpheme "verb" can be employed to mean "to voice" (as in "I told him verbally") or as a grammatical category denoting action/doing. Christ then is the 'verb' of God, and because He proceeded from and demonstrates the Father in both word and action, the Father is necessarily the 'noun'. And so inasmuch as state is primary and action secondary, the Faither being the 'noun' and thus state, is greater than the Son who is the action of that state. Commensurately, we are told in scripture that at the end of all things the Son shall hand the kingdom back to the Father, "that God may be all in all". And yet notwithstanding such ontologically-implied inequivalence, the Son is (nevertheless) equal with the Father inasmuch as He is the exhaustive expression of the Father. To exemplify, we may use the substantive: In the clause "I am", the Father is "I (am)" where the noun "I' is primary and the verb "am" implied and the Son is "(I) am" where the verb "am" is primary and the noun "I" implied. So they are both "I am" and thus both God: the Father implies the Son, and the Son implies the Father, as is (also) to be expected from the sheer (familial) meaning of the words "father" and "son".
@@gerryquinn5578 Gerry, Gerry, Gerry. I have already told you that without consistent exegesis and the willingness to truthfully look at what all the bible says you will never get it. Sorry that you are unwilling to do that.
@@timothys4864 : In your comment you say : " Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father." Not only did you fail to answer my question about how one who has been begotten, lived and died be 'eternal', but you even claim that Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father. This makes two Gods.
How then does the father send the Spirit of his Son into our hearts crying out abba father, because I thought jesus said ( Yahshua ) the holy spirit will be with you and in you who is wrong the father or the son ? Can't you figure it out it is one god not 3 persons the holy spirit is jesus spirit, the word became flesh not flesh became the word and the word is god, god manifest himself into the flesh so the father's word is not separate from himself it's still him, just like your word isn't another person either it is still you the problem people have is that they read backwards don't start from new testament and read your own doctrine I to the text read from genesis to the new testament but trinitarians like to start from the new testament and work backwards to the old, dangerous thing to do.
There is no 'problem' with the trinity. It is, pure and simple, a post -Apostolic teaching, introduced by later Greek educated 'Church Fathers' . It developed and evolved over time before taking its current shape at the end of the fourth century. It is anachronistic to read it into scripture. The God od the OT is/was a single person God. Jesus and his Jewish disciples worshipped this God. The scriptures quoted not only show a clear distinction between Father and Son but there are many more that show a clear distiction between the Lord Messiah and God. There were no scriptures to which Tertullian could refer that showed that the one God existed as three persons. There were none that suggested that they were co-eternal ; co-equal etc. Indeed, the opposite was true. Tertullian would have done well to follow his own maxim"whatever is first is true." His arguments certainly did not represent those that were first or true.
Bravo for you. You got some smarts and obviously know the history of Christianity. Why would I want to believe anything the church fathers believed OVER the words of God and Jesus? I"m not that dumb.
@@priscillajervey8345 : You may not be but many others apparently are. They have been told that is is the original, the biblical, the 'orthodox' view and that all other views are heretical . If only they would read the gospels and the NT for themselves and let the texts speak and guide their views rather than force their views on the text. I'm still waiting for someone to show me the text that God exists as one essence but three 'persons'.
The trinity is totally misunderstood. It is intended to be a simplified explanation of what makes Christianity the truth. You have to say "You CAN DENY" the father, and the son, but you CAN'T deny the holy ghost. If you understand why you CAN deny the father and son, but CAN'T deny the Holy Ghost, then you know what Christianity is all about.
And why did the Jews take up stones to kill Jesus when he said he was God? Because of the father of confusion. Why didn’t people understand Jesus when he said he was the source of “living waters”? Because of the father of confusion. Jesus identified himself as both God, the father and the source of the Holy Spirit, concerning Jesus it is said he has the Holy Spirit without limit. The Holy Spirit is defined as a person” when he, the Holy Spirit come, he will teach you all things.” Jesus, describe the Holy Spirit as powers of discernment and discretion: “he will not speak of his own authority” - John 17. The Holy Spirit is described as being able to experience emotion: “and grieve not the Holy Spirit.“ the Holy Spirit is described as being present during an part of the process of creation: “the Holy Spirit covered over the waters.” As a part of the three part nature of God, he, the Holy Spirit is described as a fully functional being. The episode ascribed to the Trinity as “pagan” is at best misdirection: do you seriously think anyone and Christianity has three alters? That they pray to three separate gods? Of course not. Using the word “pagan” is a scare tactic, emotional manipulation. “God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and of a sound mind [Self-discipline, self-control, emotional and mental balance]. 2 Timothy 1:7. I see far too much expression of personal opinion on the subject as opposed to consulting the scripture and speaking from its authority, not their own.
Are we a Theophany? Are we not made on Gods image? What does Paul say a man is? A body a soul and a spirit, yet one man. God placed this one man all alone in the garden, and said it is not good that man dwell. Showing all creation God is alone, in Job God says their was no one to his left or his right when he made all creation. Jesus according to the scriptures is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Just as a man/woman are the fullness of themselves bodily. Now we shouldn’t put limits on God’s spirit can a single vessel contain him? I’d say no but in Christ dwelt all the power and knowledge of God bodily in this saying in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead. Can one’s body do anything without the spirit saying move? In saying Jesus can say not even the son knows when the end will be until the spirit moves him. The father is spirit and we must worship him in spirit and truth. We can all agree sometimes we don’t know when we are ready to do something till our spirit moves us. Some things we may premeditate on other things are spirit moves us to action.
I believe the bible is clear in the new and old testaments. The Father is not the Son and the Son and Father are not the Spirit. Lot of scriptural gymnastics being done here against God.
Yes I can see here one might ask this question. I think he speaks in forked tongue. Does he really even know what he believes?? Why so many references to the church fathers - Great balls of Fire, they didn't even agree. Why did it take centuries to work out the Trinity, a three-in-one God or a God-man [Chalcedon 451 AD.] Don't God tell us who he is and also who Jesus the Messiah is? But yet we are told by man there is a Three in One God, , not three persons, yet all distinct, but equal, etc etc etc goes the incomprehensible and redundant rhetoric that Trinitarians can't themselves explain that is why they MUST retort that it is a mystery.
Excellent video - this really helped me put a finger on where I have been struggling with the role God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I was raised as a trinitarian but could never get on board with the concept that there were basically 3 Gods! This to me is just a very weak attempt at explaining the unexplainable. God is all, God is ONE. Jesus was attempting to bring in people to a monotheistic religion where polytheism was running amok. What a better way to ease people into a new system of belief by creating 3 “persons” but under the cloud of one God? it makes total sense. This is how the masses have been indoctrinated into many different systems/religions throughout history. Even 2000 years ago it was about marketing and branding 😂
Careful now, Tertullian invented the trinity based on ideas he took from paganism, not revelation from God. None of the features of tertullian's theory are mentioned in the bible. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean tertullian was right. Isaac Newton didn't believe in the trinity, in his book Daniel and the Revelation he points a massive problem with this theory
Still waiting for the next part of this explanation. When God says "... and my glory will I not give to another..." (Isaiah 42:8) does that "another" include the Son and the Holy Spirit? Can we worship the Son and worship the Holy Spirit?
@@mudonguanamatusse846 As I understand it. God gave "of" his holy spirit in full measure to Jesus at his baptism. The holy spirit can be quantified, water, wind , fire and power! The holy spirit is God's spirit and he gives to all who ask and who he choses. It is God's life force. Jesus Never worshiped the holy spirit per sa.
Do you believe there are two complete, separate and distinct phenomenon called “light”? One that is discrete particles or photons, and the other being waves in the electromagnetic spectrum, specifically between 400 nm and 700 nm? They are not too separate phenomenon, they are one and the same thing, those seemingly separate in their nature; the duality of light was established with the split experiment in the 1800s. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. The triune nature of God may be in decipherable to the human intellect; that does not relegated to the realm of irrationality, nor, because we cannot decipher it intellectually does not make it false.
In the Old Testament we have the Great Psalm on the Messiah, Who is The Lord Jesus Christ in Psalm 110, verse 1, we read: "Yehôvâh Says to Adoni...". The Father here addresses Jesus Christ. In the Gospels in the New Testament, Matthew 22:41-46; Mark 12:35-37; Luke 20:41-44, it is clear that Jesus uses this Psalm for Himself, which is also clear from Acts 2:34-36, that Jesus Christ is the Person addressed as "Adoni" Some have supposed that the Name "Adoni" is a "lesser" One than "Yahweh", and is only used for inferior humans. This is WRONG, as its Hebrew root, “’sḏōn”, is also used for God, Yahweh, in the Old Testament, for example: Exodus 23:17, “Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord (’āḏōn) God (Yehôvâh)” Exodus 34:23, “Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord (’āḏōn) God (Yehôvâh), the God ('Elôhı̂ym) of Israel” Deuteronomy 10:17, “For the LORD (Yehôvâh) your God ('Elôhı̂ym), he is God of gods and Lord of lords (’ăḏōn, ’ăḏōn), the Great (gâdôl) God (’ēl), the Mighty (hagibōr), and the Awesome (yârê'), who doesn’t respect persons or take bribes” Joshua 3:11, 13, “Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord (’ăḏōn) of all the earth passeth over before you into Jordan...And it shall come to pass, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests that bear the ark of the LORD (Yehôvâh), the Lord (’ăḏōn) of all the earth” Nehemiah 8:10, “for this day is holy to our Lord (’ăḏōn). And do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength” Nehemiah 10:29, “do all the commandments of the LORD (Yehôvâh) our Lord (’ăḏōn) and His rules and His statutes” Also very interesting is the reading of verse 5, in Psalm 110 Instead of the reading “The Lord at Your Right Hand”, Who is the same “’āḏōn”, in verse 1, is here called, “’Aḏōnāy”. In fact, there are a number (about 20) of Hebrew manuscripts, that actually read “Yehôvâh”. These Hebrew manuscripts are Jewish, and nothing to do with the Christian Church. It is clear that verse 5 was corrupted by the Jews, by replacing “Yehôvâh”, with “’Aḏōnāy”. There is also one Hebrew manuscript, of the Jews, that Reads in verse 1, "Yehôvâh said to Yehôvâh"! In the Old Testament Book of the Prophet Zechariah, in chapter 2, we have TWO distinct Persons, Who are called "Yehôvâh". the One Who says that He is SENT, is known as "The Messenger of Yehôvâh". In verses 6 and 10, the Speaker is "Yehôvâh". and He says that ANOTHER Person, Who is, ""Yehôvâh" of the Armies", has SENT Me. One "Yehôvâh" is SENT, and the Other "Yehôvâh", is the SENDER! Then we have a clear Teaching that the Holy Spirit is also "Yehôvâh" 2 Samuel 23:2 "The Spirit of the LORD speaks by me (heb. verb, ‘dibber’, is masculine); His word (heb. noun, ‘millah’, feminine) is on my tongue. The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me” (ESV Hebrew-English Old Testament) This is very interesting in the Hebrew text. The subject is “The Spirit of the LORD”, which is used for the One Person. Here “Spirit” is the Hebrew “rauch”, which is a feminine word. (grammatical gender, and nothing to do with the “sex” of the object). However, we would have expected the Hebrew to then use the feminine, “doberot” (speaks); which would grammatically agree with the feminine “rauch”. But, this is not the case. Instead, it reads, “dibber”, which is masculine. This is because the construct-phrase, “The Spirit of the LORD”, is a “Person”, and not just “wind or force”. Here we have very clear testimony to the Deity of the Holy Spirit, and further evidence that He is “uncreated and eternal”, which is the Name YAHWEH, used for the Holy Spirit. Even though there is the use of the feminine Hebrew noun, “millah”, translated “His word”, for grammatical purposes (“rauch”), this does not affect the meaning in any way. The Holy Spirit is here called "Yehôvâh", "The God of Israel", and "the Rock of Israel" It is very clear that we have THREE distinct Persons in the Old Testament, Who are equally GOD.
Thank you for your in-depth comment. I have taken some notes and will give this matter further study. It would appear from what you related the record of the Trinity predates the New Testament and is certainly not” invention” of the early Greek church. God bless you and have a good day.
The Trinity doctrine is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine. No Trinity exists. The simple reason is that Jesus - the divine Person directly concerned - FOUR GOSPELS LONG states to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, never with TWO other Persons!!! YOU MUST ACCEPT THE DIRECT TESTIMONY OF JESUS, NO INVENTIONS PLEASE!!!!!! Thus, of course only TWO BLASPHEMIES are possible: either against the Son or the Father. From the Jesus' speech about those TWO blasphemies, you can learn that the Father is called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus. This means that the FATHER IS A SPIRIT. You get confirmation of that from verses Jn. 4:23,24. To recap, the Father is either called "Holy Father" or "Holy Spirit" according to circumstances. "Holy Spirit" is just a "spirit-name" used to identify that Spirit.
I'm presenting this as someone earnestly searching for truth, so please don't take this as an attack, but I feel like your whole argument is debunked by this: Mark 3:29 ESV but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" Jesus says you can blaspheme Me and the Father, but to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. If there are not separate entities within the unified being of of God, how does blaspheming one send you to hell while blaspheming the other two do not? Is the Trinity not more akin to "mind, body and spirit" yet one human? My body performs functions, my spirit performs functions, and my mind performs functions.
DAVID THERES NO PROBLEM WITH THE TRINITY! JESUS SET THIS UP IN MATTHEW 28: 18-20! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE GOD THE FATHER& JESUS THE SON OF GOD JEHOVAH& THE HOLY GHOST! MAN HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE TRINITY BECAUSE THAY ARE LOST! THAY HAVE NOT BEEN SAVED&FILLED WITH HOLY GHOST! THATS THE PROBLEM! SO TO UNDERSTAND U HAVE TO BE SAVED&FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST! I WAS LIKE THIS GUY WHEN I WAS LOST I DID NOT UNDERSTAND! UNTIL I GOT SAVED& GOT FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST! HE'S REAL! YALL OUT THERE TRY HIM JESUS WILL MAKE UR DAY! THERE IS NO DAY UNTIL U GET SAVED! BOY WHAT A DAY I WILL NEVER FORGET! UNTIL YALL DO THAT YALL WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT! GOD BLESS YALL OUT THERE!🙂
@@priscillajervey8345 It does "work" for me, but it is not the only interpretation that I like. To me, the three-part God-System seems one attempt to contemplate and understand certain baffling paradoxes that we humans struggle with. We conceptualize God as being both One and Many, innate to all and beyond all.
For more indepth info on this topic watch RUclips video's, 'THE TRINITY- A WARNING TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST PART 1, 2 and 3 -PIONEERING AGAIN' and 'The Future of Unity and the Trail of the Serpent - Judgement Hour'.
[GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.) The Father, Son and Spirit are called God. FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4) All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages. 1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17). 2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16). 3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20). 4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14). 5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6). The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead. 1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23) 2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25) 3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11) 4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14) 5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]
The Bible says the 2nd beast (America) makes an image to the first beast (Catholic Church) and causes all, both great and small to worship the first beast. Satans best deception was convincing people that they are worshiping God when believing in the trinity and worshiping on Sunday, but in reality they are giving worship to satan by idolatry and by disregarding Gods Sabbath. Which is why Yahawashi(Jesus) says "many will come saying Lord Lord... and I will say I never knew you." 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies the Father and the Son. And what does the trinity teach? That there is no actual Father and Son, but that God plays the role of the Father and Son which is a pagan doctrine. The shift to Sunday began in the second century during the reign of emperor Hadrian who "promulgated the most anti-jewish anti Sabbath laws" after Jewish revolts in Palestine. To avoid repressive laws Christians move their celebrations to the first day of creation the day of the Sun. Sunday worship is a mark of obedience to the trinity. Not to the one true God. The Sabbath is a sign between God and Men. Ezekiel 20:20 and hallow my Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God. 1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
The FATHER is everywhere. The SON is everywhere. The HOLY SPIRIT is also everywhere. The SON proceeded from the FATHER. The HOLY SPIRIT also (now ) proceeded from tbe FATHER. The HOLY SPIRIT interceedes for us to the FATHER. JESUS also interceeds for us to the FATHER. The FATHER does not interceed. Thw church has ONE LORD who is JESUS. HE is King of Kings and LORD of lords. HE is the Alpha and the Omega. Those who deny the TRINITY deny the scriptures.
Trinitarians seem to twist things to stay within the concept of monotheism. We have over 8 billion people on earth who are Man. We have 3 persons in heaven that are God. We have one person in heaven that is the God of Gods...the Father.
A GOD WHERE THE CONFUSION OF THE DIVINE NATURE OR ESSENCE WITH ONLY ONE PERSON NOT EXISTS THIS IS AN PHILOSOPHICAL IDEA OF ARISTOTELISM CALLED IN GREEK NOYΣ.THE PROOF OF TRINITY IS THAT THE 3 PERSONS ARE LOVE THE CHRISTIAN LOVE IS ETERNAL BECAUSE IT S GOD S LIFE.
The trinity is not Christianity, it is a doctrine to which many, but not all, subscribe. However, the common explanation of that doctrine is so convoluted and contradictory that no rational thinker can understand it. To simultaneously believe that God is three persons but one God sounds like Hinduism. The so-called Christian trinity is never mentioned in the Bible with the explanation that many modern day theologians give it. One of many contradictions of that explanation includes the belief that a man (Jesus) can be God in the flesh, clearly a departure from God as Spirit, a departure of God as infinite. After all, if Jesus were God walking the earth, what happens to all the people elsewhere on the earth, what happens to the planets and the stars and the rest of the universe? Saying that it's a mystery is not an explanation, nor is it rational to explain it away by saying nothing is impossible to God. God operates by principle, by His own law. He cannot make 2X2=10. He cannot make contradictory laws.
MICHAYAH who is like Yehovah MICHAEL who is like God YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING GOD WHO HAS DECLARED THAT HE ALONE IS YEHOVAH HE ALONE IS GOD THERE IS NO OTHER HOD BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE HIM, WITH HIM OR AFTER HIM AND THERE IS NO GOD LIKE HIM, EQUAL TO HIM OR COMPARED TO HIM Any other form of Godship that this contradict that declared by the Almighty God Yehobah the most high is ungodly and idolatrous and forbidden by Lord God Yehovah for his holy sanctified godly People who as his sons are gods but not his kind of God who in their godships must acknowledge , fear, sacrifice to, worship and serve only him Yehovah as their God
I would argue that the Trinity, or at least the significance of the number three and, geometrically the triangle, begins with Pythagoras and his mysticism of mathematics, music and geometry. Of course he is famous for his Pythagorean Theorem and, to a lesser degree, his Pythagorean Tuning on a 3:1 ratio to develop harmonic scales with. Again, there is that number three even in his conceptualization of music. So obviously the three and triangles were deeply important to Pythagoras' Philosophy and idealism. He himself believed in reincarnation and the metempsychosis of the soul into a different form. And along comes Plato and the forms, his idea and concept of objectivity and design, providing the templates necessary that form the matter in the Universe, including biological life, inanimate objects, and even virtues. Exactly how the Pythagorean Theorem describes the form of a right triangle. So for every table there is a perfect, objective form of "tableness". And for every dog there was an objective form of "dogness" And the forms were eternal and existed in an alternate dimension only accessible by the mind, such as geometric forms or musical notes and harmony. As such, the mind itself must also be in this realm and therefore man had an eternal soul as well, almost by default. The mind, like the form, dictated the matter and this is the essence of idealism as a philosophy as opposed to materialism: Idealism = Mind Over Matter Materialism = Matter Over Mind So the sacred three and triangle carried onward into neo-platonism, but the many forms became one, the neo-platonic one, which became the objective form responsible for all things. And this monistic concept of the objective form in which all matter originates later became the monotheistic concept of a single God. And the Trinity became God, the "One" or objectivity, the Son, or the subjectivity of the One, and then the Holy Spirit which is the realm of forms in which the objectivity, subjectivity and the human soul exist together. Bear in mind a lot of this was explained to me by someone else, but sounded reasonable from a layman's point of view, someone like me initially getting into philosophy. But I have had no theological education at all so correction and clarification is always appreciated! Thanks and enjoyed the video! P.S. And not to mention the whole argument with the Sophists, like Protagoras who said "Man is the measure of all things" and that objectivity didn't exist at all. Everything was subjective, even virtues, and basically were moral relativists. More like lawyers who defended murderers they knew were guilty for money instead of seeking justice! Sophists were generally despised by the general public and even Socrates had to defend himself of being a sophist, accused of being one by Meletus during his trial, as recorded in Plato's "Apology"! So the forms, combined with geometry, were meant to be the objectivity that the sophists rejected. And even over the entrance to Plato's school "The Academy" were carved the words "Let None But Geometers Enter Here"! I can't stress enough how important math and geometry was to not only Platonic Idealism, but Neo-Platonism and Christian Theology as well.
it’s interesting to look at the history of geometry and philosophy. both Pythagoras and Plato used this concept, But it seems to be a mystery as to the relationship. For example what does it mean to have three parts as one? If the triangle or trinity is symbolic of this than what is there relative values to each other?
Very interesting, albeit complicated. Let me try and simplify. The breath of life is what God breathed into Adam. Thus breath [oxygen] is carried thrroughout the body to feed the vital organs. If oxygen is cut off from the brain [the spirit] which is what we think with, create with, our personality ability to make decisions and is deprived of oxygen we die or are considered brain dead. Out outer skin is basically out 'visible' tent, which allows us to be seen and see others. You annot see another person's mind [brain], When one dies the whole person dies and goes back to the groun d/ from which it came. We do not have a soul, WE ARE A SOUL just as Adam became.
When some one is down in the spirit, we mean they are sad. When I ride a horse I don't want a high-spirited horse, 'highly energinzed. When people die in a plan crash we generally say x- number of souls perished, never spirits! See what folly it would make if you exchanged the termology/reference. Just somthing more simple to think about. Sometimes less is more.
Trinitarians fail to differentiate between a compound unity and a union of purpose. They don't understand the hebrew word Echad in Deu 6:4 and Gen 2:24.
@@maxprescott9371 Jesus is divine yes but not sovereign. Only YHWH is sovereign. Show me a verse that says Jesus is God. John 1:1 is a piece of cake to dismantle, anything else? John 8:58? lol. Too easy. I've heard them all, thing is I've studied the ancient languages koine greek, hebrew, and sahidic coptic. In the end it all leads to the same thing. Unitarianism
@@maciiol2 Show me a verse that says He isn’t,,,, He talks like God, He walks like God , He acts like God… because He is God ! The Sacred Scriptures give to the LORD ( YHWH ) Jesus the Highest place that only belongs to God,,, as the True Church has always taught 💒
@@JimmieZaccai Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one [the only God]!” These are the words that Jesus spoke when he was asked by an expert in the Mosaic law which was the most important of those laws. At one point, the Jews took up stones to kill Jesus because he made himself equal to God. Jesus said to his disciples that when they had seen him, they had seen God the father. Jesus was identified by John the Baptist as the source of the Holy Spirit, Jesus also identified himself as the source of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said when he left the Earth, he would not abandoned us, but he would send the Holy Spirit in his place to teach us and remind us of everything Jesus said. This is not polytheism, this is not worship of three gods, this is one God in three persons, God, the father, God, the son and God, the Holy Spirit. Those who believe in Jesus Christ were baptized in the name of of the father, son and Holy Spirit. “You are in error, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.” - Jesus, Mark 12:24
Helinisation of the gospel of God Yehovah created a hybrid gospel that is not the pure gospel of God Yehovah. God gave the word in Hebrew, discarding the Hebrew Davar to embrace Greek logos is core in the antikawism confusion of pagan christianity
Trinity is false doctrine. Roman Empire Catholic lies. The father is the spirit. There is one holy spirit: the Father. Jesus is his HUMAN son. Jesus is not "god" too. Word hijackers! Jesus is human, born just like us. Is anything to hard for the Father?
Justin Martyr lived his life in the first half of the second century , he was born in the year 100 AD , just a few years after the Apostle John died in 92 AD . And he writes that the understanding of The Trinity was already well established in the early church . This was before the Catholic Church existed or the New Testament came together .
@@jwsanders1214 Drop names from the past all you can, and try to convince weak and ignorant people that it's been there all along, That's just paperwork. You cannot deceive me because the Father has lifted that reprobate minded deception and kept it off of me. Is anything to hard for the LORD? Trinity doctrine is spread by Evil deceived people back then just like now. True Christians know GOD is one person: the Father alone. And that Jesus isn't GOD. You are either for the Father or against him. If you hijack the word "GOD" and redefine it to mean three persons, that is evil, deception, idolatry, blasphemy, and polytheism. An elaborate lie is still a wrapped turd. Only the truth is pure. GOD, he is truth. The Father alone. It is written on our foreheads and on our gates and everywhere in our lives.
@@jwsanders1214 You are correct and a student of the Hebrew language related in another thread in this video the following information: Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
Let me set the record straight as God's endtime watchman, called, appointed and anointed by God. It is written,get wisdom and knowledge,but in all thy getting,get understanding. Trinity doctrine believers just don't understand. God is not 3 persons,he is only one person,revealed, manifested and operating in various titles. Just like you may be someone's husband,father,son, brother,uncle,nephew and cousin,yet all are you,one person operating in various titles,yet you are not even omnipresent as God is. I will use the scriptures to disprove the erroneous Trinity doctrines. Let the scriptures be true,and everyone else a liar. First let's establish common ground. I believe that we both agree that there is only one God. So let's move on from there. It is written in (1Cor.8:6) and (Eph.4:5) that there is only one Lord,Jesus Christ. Now see (Ex.4:10)(Ex.5:22) (Ps.8:1,9)(Ps.110:1) and (Deu.10:17). Notice the spelling difference between LORD with every letter in caps,and Lord with only the 'L' in caps. LORD with all letters in caps is Yahweh/Jehovah. Lord with only the 'L' in caps is Yeshua/Jesus. I have already established that Jesus is the only Lord in (1Cor.8:6) and (Eph.4:5). The title lord with no letters in caps is mankind, just as Sarah called Abraham lord in (1Pet.3:6). So in(Ex4:10)(Ex.5:22)(Ps.8:1,9)(Ps.110:1)and (Deu.10:17) they clearly reveal that LORD Yahweh is also Lord Yeshua. It is written in (Ps.110:1) the LORD Yahweh, said unto my Lord Yeshua,sit on my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool. The key word is UNTIL, meaning temporarily UNTIL Satan and all who followed Satan are cast into the lake of fire,then the Lord Yeshua is no longer sitting on the right hand of LORD Yahweh. The Son of God was only manifested to destroy the works of the devil and to reconcile the earth back to himself,see (1John 3:8) and (2Cor.5:18,19). In (Rev.21:22,23) LORD Yahweh and Lord Yeshua are the same Temple and the same Light. In (Isa.9:6) the child born who we know is Jesus, is also called the Everlasting Father. In (John 14:9) Jesus tells Phillip the he is the Father. In (Matt.28:19) it says to baptize in the name(singular), not names(plural)of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. That one single name is Jesus. That's why Peter and Paul baptized in the name of Jesus, not Father,Son and Holy Ghost, because understood that Jesus was the Father as (Isa.9:6)and(John 14:9) says, and Jesus is also the Holy Spirit as (2Cor.3:17) reveals. Moreover, Jesus the Mighty God of (Isa.9:6) is also the same Mighty God of (Jer.32:18) who is called the LORD of host. This same LORD of host, who is Jesus, is called LORD Yahweh in (Ps.24:7-10). We know that a prince is the son of a king. Jesus is called the Prince 5 times in the scriptures,yet he is called the King in 3 scriptures. He is the Prince according to his humanity as the 2nd Adam, the Lord from heaven,(1Cor.15:45-47) but he is the King according to his deity as LORD Yahweh. It is written,thy King cometh riding on a colt,(Matt.21:5) and (Zec.9:9). For he is KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS,(Rev.19:16). Some scriptures say that the Father raised Jesus from the dead,while other scriptures say that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. Yet in (John 2:19) Jesus said, destroy this temple,meaning his body,and in 3 days I will raise it up from the dead, because he is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Some scriptures say that the Father created everything, while other scriptures say that the Holy Spirit created everything. Yet in (Col.15-17) Jesus is the creator of all things. It is written, the fullness of the Godhead dwelleth in Christ bodily,(Col.2:9). In (Ex.23:21) LORD Yahweh said my name is in him, alluding to Yeshua. That name is YEHOSHUA. It is Yahweh and Yeshua combined. It means Yahweh is Salvation. The name Yeshua means Yahweh saves. Yehoshua is the same name that brought the children of Israel into the Promise Land. It was Joshua who brought the children of Israel into the Promise Land. The name Joshua in the Hebrew is YEHOSHUA. Joshua was a type Christ. This same name YEHOSHUA will bring the church into the Eternal Promise. In (Rev.3:12) Jesus said, that he will write upon us his Father's name and his new name. How many names are going to be upon us? Just one name and it is YEHOSHUA, which is Yahweh and Yeshua combined. Trinity believers try to justify the Trinity doctrines by using scripture verse (Gen.1:26) which says let us make man. However as you see the scriptures reveal progressive revelations going forward to the book of Revelation. You will discern that Jesus was always Yahweh incarnate. So in essence,Yahweh was sitting on his throne in heaven, and simultaneously in Mary's womb as Yeshua/Jesus. In(Gen.3:15) the seed of the woman, who was Jesus, would crush the serpent's head. That was done on the cross. It is written, what the enemy meant for evil,God meant for good so that he could save many. It was Adam who ate from the forbidden tree,and brought death to every man and lost dominion of the earth to Satan. So reconcile the world back to himself and reverse the curse of eternal death,Jesus was crucified on a tree. It is written,cursed is he that hangeth on a tree(Gal.3:13). On the cross made from a tree, Jesus became a curse,taking all of mankind's sins on his body nailing them to the cross, see(Col.2:14). Then took the sins to hell and took the keys of hell from Satan and resurrected himself from hell,because he knew no sin,so death and hell could not hold him(Acts 2:24). Neither the Father nor the Son are God without the Holy Spirit.Both are Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient by the Holy Spirit. You can't be a natural father unless you have offspring,so before Lucifer and the angels were created,there was no title of the Father. The Holy Spirit became the Father when he created Lucifer and the angels,then the Father became the Son for the redemption of mankind. The Holy Spirit is the creator of all things,(Gen.1:2)(Job 26:13) (Job 33::4) and (Ps.33:6). The Holy Spirit glorifies the Father and the Son,because they are literally him in another form. Jesus is the Advocate, Mediator yet the Judge. He is the Son of God according to his deity,yet the Son of Man,because of his mother Mary. He was also the Angel of the LORD. Jesus had every title and office. In conclusion,it is written in (Deu.6:4)(John.10:30) and (1John.5:7) that Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one.
When I hear trinitarians try to explain the trinity I don't know wether to cry or laugh. They have zero understanding of the context of the New Testament.... Jesus and the apostles were monotheists! not multi theists! when you read the Bible in that context it is clear that Jesus is God.... Revelation clearly says that Jesus is the final and full revelation of who and what God is. There is not three persons. There is only ONE and His name is Jesus.... the Bible is a progressive revelation of that truth. The Father Son analogy was just that... analogy used as a tool to reveal to us who He is in bite sized truths. Jesus is God. Ask Him for yourself.
there is no problem You are not a Christian, somwho are you to tell thek what to believe you are a deceiver 1. Matthew 3:16 “After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.” 2. Matthew 12:28 “But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” 3. Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .” 4. Luke 3:22 “And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” 5. John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.” 6. John 15:26 “When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .” 7. Acts 1:4 “Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .” 8. Acts 2:33 “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.” 9. Acts 10:38 “You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.” 10. Romans 1:4 “Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .” 11. Romans 8:9 “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.” 12. 1 Corinthians 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 13. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. 14. Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 15. Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 16. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 17. Ephesians 2:22 In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. 18. Titus 3:6 Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior. 19. Hebrews 9:14 How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 20. 1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Christ is the logos. Christ had to became flesh to live amongst us to take away our sins. God the father could never walk among us because we are not able to approach him. Christ asks his father for the "comforter" to be sent and so to exist in our lives, but only if you know Christ as the son of God. God the father sent his son to be among us in order to make the holy spirit to the reality in our life. God is made real through the most intangible manifest of God: the Holy Spirit. Christ Himself cannot be in our world anymore as he ascended into heaven seated on the right hand of the Father. "Therefore the Holy spirit is there on earth right here right now ... The comforter is our conduit to God the father. It has to be that way in that order for us to enter eternal life. The logic is there and is without any dispute.
The Scriptures don't teach that Christ is the logos. You just take John 1 out of context and then reinterpret the entirety of Scripture to fit your false teaching. Christ did not preexist. You teach as doctrine the traditions of men.
MICHAYAH who is like Yehovah MICHAEL who is like God YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING GOD WHO HAS DECLARED THAT HE ALONE IS YEHOVAH HE ALONE IS GOD THERE IS NO OTHER HOD BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE HIM, WITH HIM OR AFTER HIM AND THERE IS NO GOD LIKE HIM, EQUAL TO HIM OR COMPARED TO HIM Any other form of Godship that this contradict that declared by the Almighty God Yehobah the most high is ungodly and idolatrous and forbidden by Lord God Yehovah for his holy sanctified godly People who as his sons are gods but not his kind of God who in their godships must acknowledge , fear, sacrifice to, worship and serve only him Yehovah as their God Deuteronomy 6:4 ASV Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: Isaiah 45:5-6,22-23 ASV I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me; [6] that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. [22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else. [23] By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isaiah 43:10 ASV Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Deuteronomy 32:39-40 ASV See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand. [40] For I lift up my hand to heaven, And say, As I live for ever, Isaiah 40:8,10,18,25,28 ASV The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever. [10] Behold, the Lord Jehovah will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him: Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. [18] To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? [25] To whom then will ye liken me, that I should be equal to him? saith the Holy One. [28] Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard? The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary; there is no searching of his understanding. Isaiah 46:5,9-10 ASV To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? [9] Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; [10] declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure; Isaiah 43:11 ASV I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour. Isaiah 44:6 ASV Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. Isaiah 48:12,17-18 ASV Hearken unto me, O Jacob, and Israel my called: I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. [17] Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am Jehovah thy God, who teacheth thee to profit, who leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. [18] Oh that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: 1 Samuel 2:2 ASV There is none holy as Jehovah; For there is none besides thee, Neither is there any rock like our God.
THE ****FATHER*** AND THE*** HOLY SPIRIT***( ARE THE SAME), ***IF THE FATHER IS SAID TO BE JESUS FATHER**** ,BY JESUS HIMSELF, THEN (LUKE,1,35)THE"""" HOLY GHOST"""" SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE ,SO THEN WHO BROUGHT FORTH THE BIRTH OF THE SON THE ****FATHER ****AND ***THE HOLY SPIRIT*** ARE THE (SAME),( ONLY )THE SON HAS A DIFFERENT NATURE,,(GALATIANS 4:4)(GOD) SENT FORTH*** HIS SON ****(MADE) OF A (WOMAN,) THE FATHER (DIVINE), THE SON (HUMAN), THE FATHER WAS IN THAT HUMAN BODY, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF (2CORINTHIANS 5:19)THAT WHY (1JOHN 1:3) SAY OUR FELLOWSHIP IS WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON, GOD IS NOT THREE PERSON, NOR DOES HE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PERSONALITY, IT WAS THE FATHER THAT ORCHESTRATED REDEMPTION, THE SON GETS NO CREDIT FOR CREATION, (NOT THAT HUMAN BODY) MARY IS NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD, THE TRINITY DOCTRINE WAS NOT TAUGHT IN THE EARLY CHURCH THAT STARTED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, THE TRINITY DOCTRINE, FIRST STARTED WITH THEOPHILUS OF ANTIOCH, THEN TERTTULLIAN, ALL OF THEM WERE PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CONSTANTINE, THE COUNCILS OF NICAEA AND ALL THE COUNCILS AND CREEDS BROUGHT FOR MY ROME ,CONSTANTINE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
Jesus was not created by trinity. Jesus could not be both a son ad have existed all the time with god.the notion of sons signifies birth ad in the animal life mode for living things mostly means efforts by two sexual opposites If God cold have a son where d8d he kaern that method or ingenuity?did he see it ad where?was he a,son also?why was the significance of fatherhood in divine commu nicotine? In a way or the other son inferior to father in authority among other things ad to the fathers partner.or God was,a divorcee as Satan is actually a female if God is a,male but apart from the biblical authors we don't hear from God on his sensuality ad what purpose it plays
There are some mentally, spiritually twisted people commenting on this video,, Trinity is all thru Scripture ! that’s how the doctrine got started in the first place,,, it’s in the BUBLE 📖👈 👀? READ
To believe Christian scripture literally means one does not comprehend the concept of allegory. To interpret the writings as allegorical storytelling of the astrotheological myths is not bad. However, to recognize the fractal nature of the concept or its application in other scales as esoteric knowledge is profound. To look at the Holy Trinity as being a part of oneself can provide insight. Father = thought, Holy Spirit (the sacred feminine) = emotion, The Son = action. To be whole, holy, or enlightened in its application means: to act as one, to feel, and think, hopefully in accordance with the natural law of morality.
Matthew 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
I doubt you’ll find anyone nearly as impressed with your vocabulary as you. Having spent a lifetime reading and dividing my time between reading my Bible and reading the dictionary, my vocabulary is quite likely in excess of yours, but I find the Daisy chain of Redrick. You have constructed to be more full of high octane, verbs, and nouns then of any actual information. But you are entertaining. 😋
@@denvan3143Yes, I took the time to correct it. I hope it's better like this. To my defense, it's my second language, but I'm glad you're having fun even at my expense.
@@manuricher4370 yes, my entertainment is certainly on your account. I spent 20 years in the technical publication industry; the unvarying guiding principle was to make matters as plainly understandable as possible. In the course of my career, I encountered those who were incapable of expressing themselves, simply and clearly. It pointed to two possibilities: either they did not really understand the subject matter, or they did not want to communicate things properly, preferring to remain mysterious. While somethings are irreducible, in general, if you can’t explain something in simple words, there is the distinct possibility you don’t understand the subject. It’s curious to me people will pass off portions of scripture “poetry“ and/or “allegory“ while ignoring the fact, the function of poetry is to reflect reality at allegory illustrates an underlying reality. Neither one is an exception to reality. I will leave you with this: Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
How right you are. I don't know why they want Jesus to be God!! Why do they want to push God off his throne and place Jesus upon it. Jesus sits at the right hand of God . SO SAYS SCRIPTURES NUMEROUS TIMES. Go figure!
@@priscillajervey8345 I think its all Satans Games. Satan creates false doctrines and then traditions established on its lies. Common church goers are to ignorant to see through it or to fearful to admit it.
God is spirit and it's not the spirit BUT THE FLESH who been crucify and die. Learn your bible texts. Jesus was GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH 1Tim.3:16 this is why Jesus is the visible image (flesh) of the invisible God (spirit) .....not another person of a triune pagan gods being three and NOT ONE !!!! And what about the Holy Spirit ? Another God in a trinity of three distinct gods??? God is spirit and he is saint , and he dwell in all is elects. God do not have three heads and six arms this is the Hindu trinity.
@@priscillajervey8345 God became a man sir , the words BECAME FLESH , not a second gods but a man made of flesh for to crucify is flesh and reconcile us with him.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. And him were all things created without him was not anything that was made. John 1:1-3 So yes, Jesus is God and he is also the son of God. The Godhead is three persons in one; there is conversation that takes place between the members of the godh ood. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the the one who was sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. No one is suggesting God has three heads; that is ridicule, not righteousness. I’m not sure there is a Hindu god with three heads in addition to six arms, but perhaps you would know more about them than me; I don’t pay attention to Hinduism.
@@denvan3143 John 1 the WORD wad GOD and the WORD BECAME FLESH !! this WORD was in the beginning creating all things Gen.1:3 And God SAY let there be light !!!! God WORD here he is expressing himself trough WORD ''let there be light'' .......... tell me WHERE ARE THE THREE PERSOND HERE ??) The word is NOT another person BUT the expression of God !!!!!!!!!! When I talk , I talk with WORD this is how I express myself and It's not another person :) the trinitarians are dangerous they always lies concerning the God of he bible like the Roman Catholic they call their gods MY TRIUNE GOD but nobody ever call, God my triune God our God like Jesus God is THE FATHER.
Here are the three persons: Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.@@michelhaineault6654
You've identified just a few of the many problems with the Trinity - historically, Biblically, and philosophically. The way to sort the mess out is to dispense with the unbiblical notion of the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. Once you realize the Bible is true - "there is one God, the Father" - everything falls into place. Instead of saying "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God" you can stick to Scripture and affirm "the Father is God." Then the fact that the Father is not the Son, and the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, all makes perfect sense. It also perfectly protects the unity between the Father and the Son because it's not about substance. This is where the Nicene Creed, unfortunately, ingrained in the psyche of Christians ever since, was so far astray from Bible truth with its embracing of the homoousion idea (a thoroughly unbiblical notion) and the eternal begettal of the Son (nonsensical, and based on a now realized mistake in understanding what monogenes means.) God and Jesus are united by virtue of spiritual things like character and purpose, not substance. Furthermore, language in John elsewhere which is misused by Trinitarians to support their idea is used for believers' unity with God and his Son in John 17. Have you come across "Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology?"? It does not support the form of Monarchianism you deal with in the video. Instead, it looks at another form of Monarchianism that states biblically that there is one God, the Father, Jesus is the Son of God born of the virgin Mary and having no prior existence (except in the mind of his Father) before his conception, and the Holy Spirit is the power of God. By the way, the Apostles' Creed does not teach the Trinity. It is perfectly acceptable to read it in light of what the Bible teaches (which is most certainly not the Trinity.) There is a multitude of other things you could highlight that show the problems with the Trinity. The one you highlight I summarize as the "God race" problem. The Trinity does sound like there are three gods. I still think that's what it teaches and therefore is just another form of polytheism. However, if we assume for a moment that your point about their unity overcomes that problem then what you have is a God race. There are three distinct persons in the Godhead, but they only describe one God. Therefore if I went to the equivalent of Mount Olympus to talk to these persons I would knock on the front door and it might be God the Son answering it. But I want to talk to God the Father, and since God the Son is not God the Father then he would have to call to another part of the house for God to the Father to come to the front door. Therefore, while you might describe them as being one God it's like saying the 7 billion people on earth are one Man. Distinct persons but members of the united human race. To me, that still means there are three gods in the Trinity heresy. One of the main philosophical problems with the Trinity is the death and resurrection of Christ, which, as it happens to be right at the core of the gospel message, would seem to be something important to figure out. If Jesus is God then who died on the cross? God cannot die, so it was not God the Son who died on the cross. Then who was it? I am told by Trinitarians that it was the human aspect of Jesus that died on the cross because he was "fully God and fully man." I am told he had to die as a substitute (another unbiblical notion, by the way, but orthodox atonement theology is necessarily informed by the Trinity) because only the death of Jesus could atone for the sins of the whole world. But it was only the human aspect of Jesus who died, so how on earth is the robe of human flesh a satisfactory sacrifice? It would require God dying (according to penal substitution) to atone for the sins of the whole world. But God cannot die; Jesus as God the Son did not die. Furthermore, when "Jesus" died what happened? What was God the Son doing? He cannot die so when his human aspect died God the Son must have been living and, for some reason, waiting for three days to be united with his resurrected self. The whole thing makes zero sense. What does make sense is that Jesus is not God, he is the son of God, and he died on the cross and stayed dead before being raised after three days because he is a man. A man specially created by God by using his power, the Holy Spirit, to cause him to be born in the womb of the virgin Mary. A man who depended totally on his Father and was strengthened by God to overcome sin and death. It all makes sense and is majestic, unlike the complete mess of the Trinity. Thankfully people who study the Bible independently of Christian thought and creedal dogma never come up with the Trinity. Why? Because it doesn't make any sense and isn't found anywhere in the Bible.
I find myself repeating this: the Trinity is biblical and historical. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Hebrews 1:1-2, KJV) Or if you prefer it in the Amplified Bible: Heb 1:1 God, having spoken to the fathers long ago in [the voices and writings of] the prophets in many separate revelations [each of which set forth a portion of the truth], and in many ways, Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken [with finality] to us in [the person of One who is by His character and nature] His Son [namely Jesus], whom He appointed heir and lawful owner of all things, through whom also He created the universe [that is, the universe as a space-time-matter continuum]. Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance and only expression of the glory of [our awesome] God [reflecting God's Shekinah glory, the Light-being, the brilliant light of the divine], and the exact representation and perfect imprint of His [Father's] essence, and upholding and maintaining and propelling all things [the entire physical and spiritual universe] by His powerful word [carrying the universe along to its predetermined goal]. When He [Himself and no other] had [by offering Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for sin] accomplished purification from sins and established our freedom from guilt, He sat down [revealing His completed work] at the right hand of the Majesty on high [revealing His Divine authority],
@@denvan3143 It is intriguing you try to prove the Trinity from the Old Testament. Somehow it was missed for centuries until you figured it out in 2024. If I were you I would try to understand the Hebrew concept of agency which will answer all your questions and help you read passages like Zechariah 2 in a more Biblical light rather than through the lens of your clearly biased Trinitarianism. To summarize, agents of God (e.g., angels, people with authority in the community of God like Moses) can be given the names and titles of Yahweh without being Yahweh himself. It is an extremely simple concept. The Holy Spirit is not called Yahweh in 2 Sam. 23:2. It says "the spirit of the LORD" (ESV) or "The LORD's spirit" (NET), that is, the spirit which belongs to Yahweh. If the spirit here was Yahweh himself it would say something like "the spirit the LORD" or "the spirit which is the LORD." Furthermore, the spirit is a thing, not a person.
@@denvan3143 The Trinity is not Biblical. It is only historical insofar as it was invented by men steeped in classical philosophy and astray from what the Bible teaches. in Zechariah, as in multiple OT instances, angels speak with the name Yahweh because they are his agents. Look up the principle of agency. It will answer a lot of your questions and is utterly simple, unlike the nonsensical Trinity idea. Yahweh is most assuredly not three persons in the OT. There is only one God. There are not three gods. If Yahweh was three persons there would be three gods. Don't try and wriggle out of that with Trinitarian nonsense. It is very simple: three persons = three separate beings, three gods. If you follow Trinitarian logic, however, there are many more than three persons who have the name Yahweh or Elohim. Moses, the judges of Israel, to name some. The Godhead ends up being a multiplicity of persons in one which includes normal human beings. Utter nonsense of course, but that is where Trinitarian logic always leads - down rabbit holes of impossible-to-defend illogical nonsensical ideas. It is intriguing you use Hebrews 1. Hebrews is about proving Jesus is better than the things connected with the Law of Moses and Levitical priesthood. Instead of chapters 1 and 2 being written the author could simply have said "Jesus is better than the angels because he's God." But it doesn't say that. The Trinity is so far astray from Bible truth it's bizarre.
@@driatrogenesis I follow Christ so I beg to differ. But coming from a Trinitarian (which I assume you are) it is not surprising. The nonsensical Trinity idea, made up by men steeped in classical philosophy and rubber-stamped by the pseudo-Christian Constantine for political purposes, has become so ingrained into mainstream Christianity that it leads people down this path you're on. What gives you the right to call anyone who professes Christ "not a Christian"? Where do you get this authority from? I believe you are misinformed and astray from Bible truth but I would never dare say you are anything but what you profess to be, a Christian. By the way, you should talk to ex-Trinitarians who have found Bible truth (biblical Unitarianism) - it is like the fog has lifted and they can see clearly.
And non trinitarians are not Christians Can you name a single Christian denomination that is not trinitarian and is also NOT freemasonic or mysticism/theosophy in origin? I dare you to
it says God was manifested in the flesh 1 Timothy 3:16, also Jesus says he has all power in heaven and in Earth Matt. 28 Verses 18 to 20, says so if God is manifested in the flesh and his Name is Jesus and Jesus says he has all Power wouldnt that mean he is the Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 in the King James Version reads: "God was manifest in the flesh," referring to Jesus Christ. But most newer translations omit any reference to God and read, "He was manifest in the flesh" or "He who was revealed in the flesh." The discovery of older Greek manuscripts showed that the word "God" did not originally appear in this verse. The American Standard Version has a footnote that reads: “The word _God,_ in place of _He who,_ rests on no sufficient ancient evidence.” Apparently, this corruption of the text was introduced to support the Trinity doctrine. Who was it that gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth? On the night before he was killed, Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in John chapter 17. In verse 2, he prayed, “You granted him authority over all people.” So God the Father granted Jesus authority, including the authority to forgive sins. Then in verse 3 Jesus prayed, “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Instead of claiming to be God, Jesus recognized that his Father is the only true God.
@jollyrancher521 like you said newer translations, He's the same yesterday today and forever, and if you have ALL power period you can not be co equal with anyone else, that means when Jesus says he is Alpha and Omega in Revelation, he is the First and the Last
The Jewish Trinity is what I believe in (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). 3 Gods, not 1. 3 distinct divine persons/beings, not 1 divine being with 3 divine persons crammed inside, all jockeying for position to be seen and heard. The Jewish earthly tabernacle is a copy of that which exists in heaven. The Outer courtyard and its sacred objects represent God the Holy Spirit. The Holy Place and its sacred objects represent God the Son. The Holy of Holies (Most Holy Place) and its sacred objects represent God the Father. 3 Gods, all occupying their own private rooms in the heavenly tabernacle. If this were not the case, then there would be only 1 room in the heavenly and earthly tabernacle and all the Gods, and all the sacred objects, would be crammed tightly inside of the Most Holy Place (Holy of Holies) with its: Altar of Burnt Offerings, Laver, Table of Shewbread, Lampstand, Altar of Incense, and Ark of the Covenant. A tight fit indeed. However, this is exactly what Christianity has done because they have cut themselves off from their Jewish roots and fallen deeply into apostasy and grave error.
Hello Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. -
John 10:30-33 "I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
@@treesquirrel3722 Hello So why do you stop at the argument of unbelieving hostile Jews? Why would you want to use their argument Jesus corrected them in the next verses John 10 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? He says he’s the SON of God He doesn’t say “you’re right I’m God don’t stone me” Why use the argument of unbelieving hostile Jews as your argument? The context is sheep Jesus takes care of the sheep The Father takes care of the sheep John 10 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; 28 and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” Sheep! Nothing about multiple person God Jesus also prayed for believers to be one in him and the Father, are you going to argue believers are God too?? Jesus has a God Who is Jesus’s God? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4 John: "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." (John 1:18) Paul: "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13) Peter: "Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have received a faith equal to ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:1) Luke: "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28) Thomas: "Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Don’t be faithless, but believe." Thomas responded to him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:27-28)
@@treesquirrel3722 Hello Are you able to answer the question? Who is Jesus’s God? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, - Most of your verses are dependent upon which translation you use All your argument leads to is Jesus is “God who has a God”…? Who is Jesus’s God?
@@jimmyray5524 Hello Jimmy Most translations now have “He who” was manifest in the flesh Not “God” Even if it does say “God was manifest in the flesh” that is fine with me and doesn’t mean Jesus is God Jesus reveals God to us He is the perfect image of God Similar to Jesus saying if you see him you see the Father Obviously that doesn’t mean Jesus IS the Father It’s more that he is the perfect representative and manifestion of the Father Yet he’s not the Father Jesus has a God Who is Jesus’s God? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, - Jesus is God argument leads to Jesus is “God who has a God”…? Who is Jesus’s God?
Not better with science; the examples of paradoxes like Schrodinger's Cat in QM, Twin Paradox in Einstein's Relativity (A. Einstein died in darkness and rejected his own argument from 1918 in 3 years before he died, in 1952 in talk to R.Schlegel). On this topic: the problem of Pastor's ignorance on logic and the Bible's hermeneutics despite the discoveries like the definition of description by B.Russell in 1905,1910 formally written in Principia Mathematica and esp. scientific semantics by A.Tarski in AD 1936, the author of formal definition of truth in AD 1933 (of classical Aristotle). You see how ...Satan, a liar(John 8:44) rules this dumb world (Luke 4:6) with Rev.Grete Thunberg, and "expert" in CNN panel, and UN IPCC science lunatics on "AGW".ps. in an individual makes a mistake it is only a human cause but if few generations do it then it must be a supernatural cause of such Idiocy.
There are only 3 real denominations. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox. All others are less than 500 years old and heresies. The 3 are Apostolic and disagree on "small" things and have same sacraments/mysteries and so on
That is the result of man misinterpreting the word of god. There were no "denominations", in the first century. None at all...amazing huh? They came along much later, after the dark ages , after the "reformers", hit the scene...and boy....did they reform it ..into the mess we have today
Do you know what the first two Christian congregations were? Did Jewish Christians and after them the non-Jewish Christians, who were tested to by the apostle Peter . He witnessed the gospel of Jesus Christ to them, they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in other tongues. Did Jewish elders of the Christian Church confer together and applied to the non-Jewish Christians not the 613 laws of Moses, but only three: don’t drink the blood of anything, don’t eat anything that was strangled, don’t eat anything that was sacrificed to fall gods and Tube abstain from sexual immorality. They did not impose the Hebrew culture on the non-Jewish Christians. The apostles written to the early church by the various apostles, recognized and respected the various cultures of the non-Jewish Christians. Denominations are cultural, the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal. But perhaps diversity does not appeal to you.
There is no problem with the Trinity as long as you understand that it is a post-apostolic teaching created by Greek educated theologians and one that did not take its final shape until the fourth century.
not so little buddy , The Trinity is foundational to the scriptures , both old and new . Have you never read John 17:5 or Philippians 2:6 ? OR Colossians 1: 16 ? Do your home work , Justin Martyr documented that fact by the 2nd century , hundreds of years before the Catholic Church . The entire New testament was written in Greek .
@@jwsanders1214 : With the greatest of respect, The doctrine of the Trinity was unknown to Bible writers as it is post-apostolic as standard reference works admit. ( Do you want me to quote some of them ?) None of the verses you cite mention a trinity of three persons. You begin with John 17 : 5. However, the context of the prayer is from verse 1, where Jesus is in prayer to his Father. In verse 3, Jesus clearly differentiates himself from the one true God, acknowledging that he is the one sent by the one true God. . In verses 4 and 6, Jesus states that he has glorified God and made his name(reputation) known. In verse 5, Jesus does ask his heavenly Father to glorify him with the glory that he had before the world. The fact that the only -begotten Son may have pre-existed in no way supports a Trinity. In Philip 2 , Paul again differentiates between God and his Son. The Son did not seek equality with God (v6); the Son died (an immortal God cannot die ); (v8); God exalts his Son, the messianic King, to God's glory.(v11). Please note the differentiation and the lack of a third 'person'. Finally, you cite Col 1 :16. However, in v 15, Paul has already described the Son as the "image of God", the first born of all creation. An image is just that, it is NOT the real thing (God), but a representation. Furthermore, the Son is described as the 'firstborn'. He is begotten or birthed.
No, the Trinity was understood by the Jews in the Old Testament. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. The Trinity wasn’t created in the fourth century A.D.; your belief and that was manufactured many centuries later.
@@ewankerr3011 Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. I have checked the Hebrew text; it is a parent you have not. Wouldn’t it be better to research the scriptures rather than place your belief in critics long after the fact?
@@denvan3143 : As John Mac used to say : " You can't be serious!" The foundation of Judaism was the Shema. YHWH is one. (Deut 6 :4). Jesus himself restated the Shema. There are not two YHWH's. If you understood the Law of agency, you would know that angels and prophets spoke as if they were YHWH. The agent speaks the words of the source(YHWH). 2 Sam 23 :2, according to my ASV reads : " The Spirit of Jehovah spake by me, And his word was upon my tongue." Is Jehovah's spirit the same or a different 'person ' to Jehovah ? In the OT, God's spirit is more of a power/force/ thing than a person. Many standard refernce works trace the origins of the Trinity and agree that it is post-apostolic. Even at Nicea, they did not develp a Trinity doctrine, adding "We beloieve in the Holy Spirit.". Nicea said nothing about the Spirit being a co-equal, co -eternal person.
false teaching Jesus is not another person but as teach in 1 Tim.3:16 and John 1:14 He is God the Father who came among us ( as teach in Isaiah 35) IN THE FLESH and this is a GREAT MYSTERY 1Tim.3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. The flesh is what deference the son (of man) from the Spirit ( God) Jesus is God in bodily form , he was the visible image of the invisible God and God NEVER BEEN THREE ( It's an heresy)
@@gerryquinn5578 OH NO here is the original text in Geek from textus receptus and it say exactly the same thing as the kjv 1tim.3:16 καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ Change your bible to a better translation.
@@michelhaineault6654 : With respect, we do not have "the original text in Greek", only copies of copies. The number of copies available to scholars today is far greater than was the case back at the time of the KJV. Having checked all the translations on Biblehub, only the KJV has theos./God All the rest have He who /who. Indeed, having checked Interlinears, theos is missing in the Greek. Even the context is clearly talkig about Jesus and not God. There are countless explanations of how this verse was corripted in books and online.However, I suspect you know all this already.
@@gerryquinn5578 Textus recepus have THEOS so the other bibles you mention are manifestly not translated from textus receptus who are the trustable ones. The context is truly about the GREAT MYSTERY of God who came manifested in the flesh and this is the teaching of John1:14 and Isaiah 35 .
@@michelhaineault6654 : I appreciate you taking time to reply and stating your opinion. Most modern Bibles are based on the best up to date Greek text which is far more reliable than he one available in the 15 and 1600s.Those who have studied textual criticism understand how and why texts get corrupted. I invite you to research this verse. The context is clearly about Jesus, It is Jesus who was manifest in the flesh; seen by angels; preached about and received up into glory. In John 1 :14, it is the "word" that was made flesh(not God). We behold the glory of one who is the only begotten of the Father. He is begotten, unlike God who is not begotten. This idea is repeated again in verse 18 where we are told that no man has seen God AT ANY TIME, but of course, thousands saw Jesus. Verse 18 continues that it is the only begotten Son/god who has declared him/ . Again we have the contrast between one is begotten (Son or god) and one who is not begotten.
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I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:30-31, 33, KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3, KJV)
@@denvan3143 God bless this channel is full of anti christians these people are not Christian Alll forms of Christinity say Jesus was God of they say otherwise asl what denomination teaches he isnt
God died in the person of the Son. Thereby carrying out what he asked Abraham to do and taking responsibility of his creation. Then raised himself on the third day. To use a pop culture reference..the Vorlon race in Babylon5.
The trinitarian concept is absurd. How can Christ be at the right if ha is the father? When Stephen was being stone heaven opened & he saw the Father & Christ next to him? Since Yahweh created all things he certainly wouldn't need Satan to tempt him? Jesus constantly spoke to his father. Yahweh said this is my son whom I'm well pleased. It's all Roman, Egyptian & Greek influence totally wrong... 👹
No, the Trinity is demonstrated in the Old Testament. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. The universe is not subject to your definition of what is observed. Superposition is a phenomenon in physics were a particle can be in more than one place at one time. it may seem absurd to you, but it is an observed affect. For that matter, light can be both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and also particles, “photons“. Electromagnetic waves and particles have two entirely different natures and yet in life, we have both natures exhibited. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are imagined in your philosophy. - Shakespeare. Forest high as the heavens are above the Earth, so are my waves in your ways and my thoughts and your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:9.
Y'all dig to rationalize one or two verses here or there yet Jesus spoke 1685 times in the new testament never said he was God. Deuteronomy says Yahweh Jesus said to Mary don't touch me I have not yet ascended to my God & your God. Stephen being stoned & full of the "Holy Spirit" looked up & saw Jesus standing next to the God the father. Over & over Jesus says I can do nothing without the father! The words I speak are not my own! David said my lord said to the Lord. Heir O Israel the Lord God is One! Read about the How Nimrod was worshipped after his death. When God the Father destroyed the temple every religion of the world split up & worshipped the same way. All of them worshipped Triune God's. The Christian concept started Plato then the Hermitic Christians, Gnostics, Greek, Romans, Egyptians etc ran with it. The Trinity is a Roman Catholic Doctrine that evolved over 4 centuries. The Holy Spirit wasn't added until the 3-finally 451 AD. Read the early history of it's origins. Read Justin Martin, Origin, Filo, Tertullian, Athenaues Creed during the council of Nicea under Constantine. Read it I'm trying to help y'all you've been duped by none other than 👹💯🙏🏼😇
Why do you say so? From the Catholic Catechism, Titles of the Holy Spirit, 692: "When he proclaims and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit, Jesus calls him the 'Paraclete,' literally, 'he who is called to one's side,' ad-vocatus." (Note: See John 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7.)
@@PhiloofAlexandria I don’t care what Catholics say, and I’m no Catholic, I belong to no man made religion. Jesus never promised the coming of any holy spirit, show me chapter and verse.
I'm not Catholic either. But I wonder what your argument is. Is it just the lack of anything definitive in favor? I'm sincerely interested. I don't mean to be argumentative. I've never been quite sure what to make of this question.
@@ElParacletoPodcast Acts 1:6-8 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
John 14:26 "But the Counselor [Greek: parakletos], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you."
The Greek word “theotetos” in Colossians 2:9 is translated “fullness of the Godhead” in the King James Version. However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, “theotetos” means “divinity” or “divine nature.” The fact that Christ possesses “divine nature” or the quality of “divinity” does not mean that Christ is God himself. It means that all of the excelling qualities that God the Father possesses also dwell in Christ. If Jesus is God, why does Colossians 3:1 say that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God”?
You are either a Christian or not. Trinity is fundamental to our belief.. if you dont beliebe in trinity Then you are NOT a Christian Peroid END of story
@@edwardj3070 And yet as I said there is NOT one single Christian denomination that denies the trinity I told you to prove mr wrong and you responded with Joseph Smith the Freemason You just negated your entire opinion in this topic. Mormonism is Not Christianity. The founder was a Freemason, who made his own religion from "egyptian" tablets, he had no witnesses...and was a knowj Freemason Dont play games with me. Either prove me wrong or stop spewing lies about what Christians believe, Period end of story!
@@driatrogenesis who doesn't at the end of the day. No one can really figure out what Christianity means which is why debating about it is Christians' favorite pass time
Penny-wise logic, and Pound-sterling nonsense! When you go back to basics -- *_Christ, himself_* -- he NEVER said that he is God. Never! And while there are a few verses which mention all 3 in a single verse, NONE of those verses claim the three are part of a godhead. None of them! Every verse which CAN be interpreted to mean that Christ is God, *_can also_* be interpreted to mean that Christ is NOT God. Thus, the entire basis for Christ's existence as God is ambiguous, at best. *_But worse than this,_* there are numerous examples where it is made clear that Christ is NOT God, without any ambiguity. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
A typical - classical confusion both by Tertulia and Mr.Daniel - a "better" still classical resolution by Fr J.M.Bochenski OP, logician, from famous Warsaw-Lviv School of Logic(he focuses on the meaning of "is"(or to be) in Logic of Religion,1965, NY Univ. although he does not know a lot of Bible's hermeneutics and he advises such knowledge is the starting point of any discourse! The main argument: that "Son is God" is a theological BS! See for example Mark 10:18@other Synoptics. In NT God/"theos" Gr always refers to FAther and not to Son! (in just a few instances there are translation problems like in Rom 9:5 or 1John 5:20 but it is a text from 6th cent.CE. The formula in Creed "God from God" is the sign of philosophical and logical ignorance of Church's fathers and at the same time, their opponents although the term "God-man"(and St.Augustine's metaphors) for a sinful man, Jesus from Nazareth (Mk 1:5.9) has only a poetic or metaphorical meaning and sense. Yet, a similar interpretation still idiocy exists in physics regarding so-called paradoxes like the Twin paradox in GR of A.Einstein and Schrodinger's Cat in QM. It is proof how a lie (from Satan-John 8:44, indirectly already in Rev Aristotle on evil- as the privation of good then also being/truth/one). Nothing mysterious in the term "Trinity" that is a description (B.Russell,PM/Principia Mathematica#14.02, like any theoretical term (known by reduction or deduction or analogy and the mixture of them) in all science!
@@priscillajervey8345 Both Jesus and St.Paul have not been educated on Bible's hermeneutics (like You- a Fool).We,gods- accord. to Jesus and St.Faustina Kowalska prophecy (1732) finally have descended from Heaven to sent you, Morons to ...Hell!
God was known to the Hebrews in scripture as being triune. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament. The truth of the Scripture Does not accommodate itself to your theology, it is simply the truth.
The problem isn’t with the Trinity, the problem you have is your understanding . The first sentence of The Gospel of John makes it very clear that Jesus is the Almighty Creator of everything that exists
@@jwsanders1214Sahidic coptic John 1:1. Read it. Koine greek grammar doesn't use indefinite articles. Basing a doctrine on a language flawed in grammatical expression is quite weak.
@@maciiol2 There is a web site " Bible Hub " that will take you verse by verse through any verse of the Bible in Greek , it would behoove you to use it to check your Knowledge of Greek before you speak foolishness . Shalom
@@maciiol2 When I want to know what a particular verse like John 1:1 says in Greek I use Bible Hub , it gives an exact translation in Greek . John 1:1 clearly says that Jesus , The Lagos is The Creator of everything that exists . Jesus is Ton theos , the same essence as Ho theos , God Almighty
No, he's not. And you would know that if you read the Scriptures, but you don't care enough to do that, do you? In John 17:3 Jesus literally says the opposite of what you just said. Jesus has a God. God doesn't have a god.
@@timothys4864 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. And him were all things created without him was not anything that was made. John 1:1-3 So yes, Jesus is God and he is also the son of God. The Godhead is three persons in one; there is conversation that takes place between the members of the godh ood. Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the the one who was sent. In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”. Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The problem with the trinity is a huge problem, and the problem with what you are saying, is just as huge, it is the same problem. You xtians must stop saying that The Parakletos is the holy spirit, cause that is absurd.
John 14:26 "But the Counselor [Greek: parakletos], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you."
@@treesquirrel3722 It is also clear from the veré that JESUS is not speaking about the holy spirit, as JESUS himself was The ‘Parakletos, so Parakletos doesn’t mean holy spirit, and if JESUS is saying that the father will send another Parakletos, and Parakletos doesn’t mean hs, then JESUS could only be speaking of sending another man like him, that’s why the verse says; ALLOS PARAKLETOS, another Advocate like me. Christianity is a lie.
The Paraclete is the Holy Spirit every time Jesus talks about it. "Parakletos" (advocate/counselor) is in the Bible 5 times. Four of them are in the same monologue where Jesus calls The Advocate "The Spirit", "The Spirit of Truth", and "the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father" (John 14:16-17, 14:26, 15:26) and says it won't come until Jesus leaves (John 16:7). In a completely different letter, on a completely different subject matter, Jesus was called "an" advocate, not "the advocate" (1 John 2:1).
@@treesquirrel3722 Wrong again, and I explained, the only time the word holy is used is in John 14:26, and like I said, the word is not in the oldest manuscripts, it was forced in there. Now, even, even if that word was there, it doesn’t matter, because it can be used of JESUS too, and I repeat, the verse is not saying, The Paraclete, the holy spirit, no, that’s what you are reading in English, It would read, The Paraclete, THIS SET APART PERSON/PERSONA. You need to understand, and you need to focus, JESUS is not taking about any spirits, JESUS is talking about The Parakletos. The word holy means set apart, JESUS was set apart by God. Jesus is The Parakletos, this spirit/persona of the truth.
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God is A SPIRIT, The Holy is the Spirit of God ( only God is Holy ) God can dwell in us because the body is the temple of God.
So if the holy spirit is god, the fathers spirit is holy? So now see what people do now we got 2 holy spirits or 3 if you count jesus it's 1 god not 3 calling it one wake up people !!!
@@Henry-f1y John 4:24 “God is spirit [the Source of life, yet invisible to mankind], and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
1 Corinthians 15:45 “So it is written [in Scripture], "The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);" the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].”
The first chapter of the book of Revelation speaks of the spirits of God.
There is one God; he is three persons in one. He does not have human limitations.
@@Henry-f1y “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24, KJV)
In revelation chapter 1, it tells that God has seven spirits.
@@Henry-f1y God is a spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth; in the last book of the Bible, it relates that God has seven spirits.
Leave your emotions behind & speak only truth with confidence. If you're not certain or are confused, it's OK, seek & ask The Father for His Wisdom. Your emotions don't make your statements any more or less truthful; it only shows your fear, possibly of being wrong in a challenge, rather let it be you're seeking truth in relationship w The Father.
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Thanks! Note the three on one shirt....
Oh dear, do you need a dictionarry, there are more appropiate words to make your point other than s....!
I still can't wrap my head around it. The concept is mathematically impossible. It does not make sense. And what doesn't make sense is NONSENSE.
@@josiepens4480 can you make sense of the fact that light is both a part of the electromagnetic spectrum but also discrete particles known as photons? Does it make sense to you that it may change from the state of being a particle to being a wave under observation? Can you make sense of superposition, a subatomic particle that is in two places at one time? That it does not make sense to you does not equate to being nonsense.
Isaiah 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts higher than your thoughts.”
@@josiepens4480 does it make sense to you? That light is both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and also photons? Does it make sense to you that under observation, a particle turns into a wave? Does superposition, a particle being in two places at one time, makes sense to you? if it does not, it does not automatically make it nonsense.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:9, KJV)
Thank you brother very good explanation, the trinity brings chaos, confusion and walking in the Light, walking with the Messiah means no confusion, thank you and God bless you,.
You are very welcome.
And thank you for using the good mind Gave gave you.
Your welcome. God Bless!
The trinity is demonic , it is idolatry , it is heresy , it is as you mention , confusion , it is contradiction to Gods own word ... honestly , its a stupid doctrine , but it has unfortunately worked to deceive so many ... we need to lift up our voice against this sinful teaching , because sadly , the trinity will land us in hell for heresy and idolatry , Jesus made it clear as day , if ye believe not , IAM HE , ye shall die in your sins ... The HE in the old testament revealed is Father God , which is the holy spirit , God is holy , God is a spirit , all in scripture , i can go on forever , the trinity is a lie from hell and if we study the word ourself , are willing to repent of these doctrines when God corrects us , we will be fine , but if we let youtubers or pastors , family or any one else replace the revelation God gives to those who diligently seek him because we are lazy and we prefer someone else to lead our path ... we will lead ourself to hell with them.
The study of scripture demonstrates the triune nature of God: as God, the father, he is eternal and unchanging. as God, the son, he reveals himself to human beings in human form and who experienced the suffering of mankind, ultimately suffering, death on the lacrosse to pay for the sins of humanity. You cannot accuse God of not understanding what it is like to be less than eternal, less than all powerful and less than all knowing; Jesus Christ and his earthly ministry learned the scriptures, learned obedience by the things he suffered and tasted death for every man. Jesus knew he would not remain on the Earth, that is why he sent God in the person of the Holy Spirit to teach us and guide us in the way of righteousness.
Unenlightened human nature wants to make of the triune nature of God as three different gods. Enlightenment of the Scriptures by the spirit of God shows us the nature of God revealed in Jesus. Christ: God, the father, God, the son God, the Holy Spirit.
It is human nature to want to reduce everything to our level of comprehension. It is the revelation of the nature of God through scripture as enlightened by his Holy Spirit that takes us beyond understanding.
If you can reduce God to a religious philosophy, then you have philosophy apart from God. I am not a spouting irrationality, I’m talking about understanding that comes from God, not from our own minds.
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You can't separate yourself from your word. The Word was (is) with God and simultaneously the Word was (is) God
The Word 1
Right on!!
You got it! It was God speaking in Jn 1:1. He spoke creation into being. At least that is what the Bible says. Gal: 4:4 :But when the time had fully come God SENT his son born of a woman: . If Jesus is God according to Jn 1;1, did he send himself as his fictional son? Was God born of the third person of the Trinity.... the Holy Spirit? Hmmmm?
I might add, God had said in the past he spoke thru the prophets, but in these last days SPEAKS THRU HIS SON.
I;ll be darm, I thought God said Jesus was his SON and Jesus always prayed to the father,,,,,IN HEAVEN. God;s holy spirit dwelled in Jesus in full measure, just as Scriptures stated the fullness of God dwells in us, but that doesn't make us God.!
I can't but admire the passion with which Bonevac discusses philosophical questions of crucial relevance to the humanity of the 21st-century. I can't wait for the video that will finally disclose how many angels can dance on a pinhead!.
Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father.
@@timothys4864The trinity is nowhere to be seen in the bible. It was concocted by a committee of bishops in Nicea three centuries later and then interpolated in an epistle by "John" in the middle ages (one forgery on top of the original one).
@@cpolychreona You must not read the Bible. It is all over the bible. Also you should do better research on nicea and not get you false info from you tube videos.
Do you know the answer to your quesion??
@@timothys4864 Ha! Ha! Did God have a father? Seriously?!
any words added or removed from Scripture brings a curse
Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV):
“Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”
Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV):
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”
I myself am one person.
If I astral project like yogis and S American shamans on DMT I'm still me in a different dimension
When I go to heaven I'm still me.
God is capable of all things, that would include existing on 3 planes.
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The problem with the trinity, according to the design created depicting the trinity, is that we may not separate the Father from his name...... God.
The problem is that it defies logic, common sense, and reasoning. Yes, god is the true only god. But for the spirit and jesus to be FULLY god, yet separate beings, is just psychotic. Furthermore, you cant find a single verse to support the doctrine. This is another example of people playing a game of spiritual "connect the dots". It goes like this: you cant understand something. So you fill in the blanks with whatever senseless, mindless, conclusion you can dream up.
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
Col 2:10 And in Him you have been made complete [achieving spiritual stature through Christ], and He is the head over all rule and authority [of every angelic and earthly power].
Perhaps it doesn’t make sense to you that light is both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and yet also particles (photons). Perhaps at the quantum level superposition doesn’t make sense to you: particles that are in two places at the same time.
That it doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t make it invalid.
God says in Isaiah 55:9 “poor as the heavens are higher than the Earth, so are my ways than your ways and my thoughts and your thoughts.”
The principle of God‘s triune nature is evident in the scriptures: John chapter 1, describes Jesus as being with God and being God, and that by Jesus, the universe was made. Genesis chapter 1 describes God, creating the heavens in the Earth, therefore Jesus is God the Holy Spirit is demonstrated as a part of the creative process:all three aspects of the Godhead are demonstrated. @@williamwalker-bm5mz
@william mwalker
Your premise is based entirely on your logic, your common sense, and your understanding, not the understanding of God, who said in Isaiah 55:9 “for as high as the heavens are above the Earth, so are my ways and your ways and my thoughts in your thoughts.”
It is the limitation of your logic as you place limitations on it that you do not/cannot understand the Trinity; God has no such problem. And deciding that God cannot be three persons you reduce him to the scale of a human being; true, you and I are single individuals, no more. in the complexity that is God there is no contradiction and being more than one person. as it says in genesis “let us make man in our image.” God is speaking to other aspects of himself: God, the father, speaking to God, the son and God, the Holy Spirit, If you’ve tried to define “us” otherwise this presents she with insoluble problems.
No, you cannot separate God from his name, Yahweh.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
@@denvan3143God’s Name… is …. JESUS ✝️❤️
The problem with the trinity is that it is Idolatry.
Nope
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Titus 2:13 CSB
[13] while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Complicated doesn't mean wrong. I urge you to dive deeper. Jesus is the only way to heaven and part of your faith in him is the trinity. Look up Sam Shamoun trinity explained. He does absolutely amazing detailed explanations on it backed up by scripture.
@@St3ewit’s unnecessary actually. Scripture doesn’t demand for all this philosophical semantics to have a relationship with the “ONLY TRUE GOD” [AND] “the one whom he sent Jesus Christ”(John 17:3)
@@alonsogalindo1428 So, if youre using John as your indication as to what the Bible teaches, then I will also use John to refute you.
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became Flesh"
John 14:9-10
"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."
John 20:27-28
"Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”"
@@alonsogalindo1428 So, if youre using John as your indication as to what the Bible teaches, then I will also use John to refute you.
John 1:1
John 10:30
John 14:9-10
John 20:27-28
Yeah I’m thinking the Jewish and Muslim critics were correct; the Trinity is a logical mess.
Matthew 11:
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
So is the virgin birth, Christ's divinity, resurrection from death, healing of the sick without medicine, walking on water, the feeding of the multitude etc etc etc. You read an entire 2000 paged book on God doing the impossible and confounding human wisdom. This is a nonsense argument in and of itself. Even if you were to take "Jewish and Muslim critics" seriously, it isn't as if they have any ground to stand on when it comes to logical coherence either
The Muslim problem of how Allah can be both Just and purposefully NOT punish the sin of those whom, even confessing belief and being observers of the law in its entirety, have self-admittedly broken said law (ie. sinned), is to me, a far greater and more disastrous an issue than the trinity. Either Allah is unjust or paradise is unattainable to everyone other than Jesus who never sinned
God isnt the author of confusion. If it causes uncertainty and division its probably not true.
@@theeternalslayer Jesus said you must drink his blood and eat his body to have eternal salvation. As that has caused confusion, it must not be true, According to your logic.
But reading the text, clarifies the matter; when ask further about it, Jesus clarified: the flesh prophets nothing, it is a spirit that gives life. He spoke prophetically that the shedding of his own blood, and the breaking of his body was the payment of the price for sin we could have eternal life.
The issue of the Trinity is made clear by reading John 1:1-3 and Genesis one: 1-3. Jesus is with God, Jesus is God and created the heavens and the Earth; hello him created the heavens in the Earth, therefore Jesus is Elohim, both God, the father and God, the son. The Holy Spirit took part in the creation, therefore the Holy Spirit is also Elohim: God, the father, God, the son, God, the Holy Spirit.
The word “Trinity“ is not in the Bible, on the other hand, neither is the word “gravity“, sir Isaac Newton did not invent gravity, he coined the neology from the Latin word gravitâtes, meaning, weight, heaviness.
I doubt you would say because the word gravity is not in the older New Testament that there was no such phenomenon.
As a student of the Hebrew Bible related in another thread in this video, scripture relates Yahweh as the center dispatches Yahweh as the messenger, thereby establishing two parts of the Trinity, well you’re another part gives the name Yahweh to the Holy Spirit. The Trinity was known to the Jews.
As for the Muslims, they have decided that the Trinity is father, son and the holy mother and they argue against the Trinity on the basis of this strawman argument.
Here are the references:
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
*Acts 20:29, 30* - *Paul warned:* (29) I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. (30) Even from your own number *[the Christian Cong.] men will arise and distort the truth* in order to draw away disciples after them.
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After Jesus' *faithful Apostles* died off... The Clergy of Christendom *apostatized* and fulfilled *Paul's prophetic warning* by adopting the man-made Trinity as doctrine.
The first Christians were Jews, and they understood from the Old Testament, the triune nature of God.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
@@denvan3143 The holy spirit is also called an 'it' (Num 11:17,25 (Rom 8:16,26.)
The holy spirit is an impersonal force or extension of Yahweh. It works along side the angels and allows God to influence and take credit for certain outcomes by his design, while still residing on his heavenly throne. Thus the 'two Yahweh's'.
Quite a simple concept really.
Ask yourself, did Jacob really wrestle with God, or was it an angel?
Are angels also part of the God-head then?
Gabriel the angel proclaimed his name saying 'I am' Ego eimi, does that make him God like Jesus too??
It's all self defeating nonesense.
Here is what is not nonesense.
Deu 6:4 Shema Yisrael, Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh echad.
There's one Yahweh. That is not a hint, that is black on white.
And no, [echad] cannot be a compound unity.
And no Gen 2:24 the marriage covenant does not prove that it can.
I can dismantle that notion quite easily also, but to cut it short I'll end it here.
Shalom, Have you ever considered asking Christ rather than Turtullian regarding the trinity and it's authenticity?
You migth be greatly suprised.
Shalom..
he wouldnrather feed all these anti chrsitian trolls
what a masonic stooge
thanks to GOD, I worship only one true GOD the father and following the one true Lord Jesus Christ!!
Titus 2:13 CSB
[13] while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Complicated doesn't mean wrong. I urge you to dive deeper. Jesus is the only way to heaven and part of your faith in him is the trinity. Look up Sam Shamoun trinity explained. He does absolutely amazing detailed explanations on it backed up by scripture.
Just ask a trinitarian how they can decipher between talking to Jesus, or the Holy Spirit or the Father and how do they know the difference and to give scripture for this understanding.
You mean christian
Acts 7:59 Stephen prayed to Jesus. Acts 5:3-4 If you lie to Holy Spirit then you lie to God. Rev 22:20 Jesus is prayed to. The Lord’s Prayer we address the Father. Anything we ask in the name of Jesus we will get. Is this enough?
Jesus put his faith in Peter, so that's good enough for me
@@lainie4344 Isaiah 40:3 in hebrew. Read it then answer who did John prepare the way for?
@@nosuchthing8 Put not your trust in Princes nor a Son of Man in whom there is NO SALVATION Psalm 146:3. If Jesus put his truth in Peter then he was breaking the Fathers command.
Psalms 83:18 Jehovah alone is the most high.. ALONE!!!!
Hello Professor! I’m curious! Do you believe in the trinity?
Yes, I do. I say the Apostle's Creed most Sundays in church.
Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father.
@@PhiloofAlexandria It's nice to see that some active Christian philosophers. I'm secular myself, but I've only ever seen 1 biased side of philosophy.
@Mark Park Of course Jesus has a God. All men have a God.
@Mark Park Does the God Jesus have a God?
Good video im studying this as well
Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father.
You have shown Wisdom.
@@timothys4864 For in him [Christ] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Colossians 2:9-10, KJV)
I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:30,31 33, KJV)
@@denvan3143 Yes, Jesus is God distinct from the Father. Amen.
@@timothys4864 My thumb is distinct from my index finger, they both are part of my hand. Jesus is distinct from God and that he is God in human flesh, but he stated repeatedly that he and God are one, that he himself is God that when you have seen Jesus Christ, you have seen God. R😂
How can a "Son" be God?
Philippians 2:6 , Isaiah 9:6 , If you have a son , is he a person or a non person ? God's son , Jesus is the spittin image of his OLD MAN : Colossians 1 : 15-17 . Jesus is creator of everything
@@jwsanders1214 that doesn't answer the question 🤔
@@gokartbob6478 READ THE BIBLE " For unto us a child is born , unto us a Son is given , and thee government shall be upon his shoulder .
and his name shall be called Wonderful , Counsellor , THE MIGHTY GOD , THE EVERLASTING FATHER < THE PRINCE OF PEACE . Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 7:14 A virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son , and his name shall be called Emmanuel which means God with us " Talkin about my Jesus
@@jwsanders1214 then why did Jesus say he has a God ?
Why did Jesus say, worship God (YHVH) and him ONLY shall we serve?
And read Eph 1.3 and 1.17
@@gokartbob6478 he was teaching us how to worship God . The thing is , Jesus is also God , Ho theos .The Holy Spirit is also God , Ho theos . Jesus said if you blaspheme him you might be forgiven , but if you blaspheme The Holy Ghost , you will never be forgiven , never ever . You can’t blaspheme anyone or anything except God
Praxeas was a good man of God. The Bishop of Rome took the good advice Praxeas gave him and saved the Church from the Montanists.
Jesus is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit is God’s spirit and not a separate person from himself. It’s that simple. Jesus is divine because he is begotten of the Father and not created like men or angels and therefore has a divine nature. In that sense and also in the fact that he represents God and is his image is Jesus called God even though he is another individual than God himself. He is the angel of the Lord or angel of the presence from the Old Testament. He is the one Moses talked to in the Bush and the commander of the Lords army who Joshua met. Strictly speaking though, only the father is the true God and Jesus is his son. Jesus himself said “this is life eternal that they might know thee the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent” John 17:3.
Great comment. Are you Binitarian by chance?
That depends on your definition of binitarian. I would say no because I believe that the Father is the only true God as Jesus said in John 17:3. God is a similar person not two or three. That would make me a Unitarian technically, but I hate that term because most of the modern day Unitarians deny the divinity and pre-existence of Christ. My view would be more in line with the pre Nicene fathers and also some of the restorationists of the 19th century.
I believe that there are two divine persons but only one of them is God. Jesus is the word of and God and the son of God. He shares the same nature but is distinctly different from God and has his own identity.
Sorry to ramble I just like to clarify my view because a lot of people don’t understand it. What is your view brother?
Concider this idea: In the list of names and offices of our God...we will not find the office of Messiah.
You don’t find the office of Messiah? It’s the next-door down from the office of God, the father. The next one after that is the office of the comforter, the Holy Spirit. You can’t miss them; they are all in a wing of heaven: the Trinity.
GOD IS love.
The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of God the Father, and yet He is a distinct consciousness - imagine if your spirit had its own consciousness. It would still be as much YOU and YOU. It's consciousness would always want the same things you did.
Man is body, soul, and spirit.
JESUS is body, soul, and HOLY SPIRIT, therefore everything GOD the Father is, so is JESUS.
The Trinity is Fase believe
If it is confused it is not of God. Period. God never says he is a 3 persons, NOWHERE. God says he is a Spirit John 4:24. God says I AM THAT I AM Exodus 3:14, not I AM 3 PERSONS THAT I ARE. NO.
During Jesus on earth, God manifested in Jesus. Jesus is a puppet - meaning the Father speaks, Jesus move his mouth, whatever the Father does Jesus does also etc...
At the cross Jesus cried out twice. Cry out 1 the Father left him. Cry out 2 his own spirit left him. All is left is Jesus' body on the cross and in the tomb.
At the resurrection, God raise the dead body, took on the body, turn it into a glorify body, God took the shapes, forms and the characteristic of the body. God took back his name which is Jesus (Jesus is God's name or God himself before given to the created and temporary body for the fulfillment, the only begotten Son of God). So the Jesus you know today is actually God himself known by many titles, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Alpha & Omega, I AM, Almighty...etc. but God real name is Jesus Christ Acts 2:38 That is why Jesus commanded his disciples to baptised everybody in the (name - no s) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Matthew28:19. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names, they are titles. So, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit has a name and that name is Jesus Christ.
What about Stephan saw Jesus stands at the right hand of God in Acts 7:55 and God says Let "US" elsewhere in the Bible then?
These are not difficult to answer. Msg me if you need to understand more.
Read Colossians 1:16-17 and John1:1 then tell me what you think
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
What do you believe.
It's not what I believe, it's what I know.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. ~ 1 Corinthians 13:12
*Against Praxeas, Chapter 10*
_"So it is either the Father or the Son, and the day is not the same as the night; nor is the Father the same as the Son, in such a way that Both of them should be One, and One or the Other should be Both - an opinion which _*_the most conceited 'Monarchians'_*_ maintain. HE HIMSELF, _*_they say,_*_ MADE HIMSELF A SON TO HIMSELF."_
The most conceited Monarchians were right.
OKAY!
Philippians 2:6 - 8 “who, [Christ] although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes-the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
The problem with the trinity is it is a damnable heresy lie.
nope
you are
@@driatrogenesis”However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.”(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
“However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.”(2 Peter 2:1)
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”(2 Timothy 4:3,4)
“‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”(Matthew 15:8,9)
“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;”(Colossians 2:8)
THE WARNINGS WERE THERE☝️
So God begetted himself and blessed himself with himself ? And then asked himself for help against the Children of Israel ? And then took himself up to heaven ? Doesn't sound very monotheistic or biblical to me. Sounds like Rome got their hands on the faith very very early.
Don’t criticize what you don’t understand Bob Dylan
agreed! :)
@@jwsanders1214 he was asking a rhetorical question to point out the absurdity. The comment section is meant for discussion and to share our critiques amongst each other. No need to go banning free speech just because you got triggered.
@@BubblyBibleGirl I know Jesus is God The Son based on The Holy Scriptures , Old and New
@@jwsanders1214 It's nice that you're convinced of your position. I am not triggered by that, regardless of how different my conclusions are. I would never want to forbid you from stating your position or opinions. I want you to feel completely welcomed to speak whatever it is that's on your mind. That is the beauty of free speech, AMEN? 🙂
ITS CALLED A MYSTERY THAT YOU CANT FIGURE OUT. IF ITS A MYSTERY, HOW CAN YOU PROVE OR DISPROVE THE DOCTRINE? ITS A MYSTERY....LOL
If it leaves you uncertain or confused its Gods way of telling us its false.
God isnt the author of confusion.
@@theeternalslayerof course...god, jesus and the spirit are real. The doctrine is counterfeit
All things are created by him and for him .who is the father of creation ?
It appears that IF Jesus created everything for himself, then he created his own throne, thus had to prove himself worthy to sit on it. And if he created everything, then he must have created the first man ADAM. If this be the case WHY is Jesus called the second/Last Adam. God created everything with Jesus in mind and for him. God is the Father of Creation. Don't let anyone tell ypi otherwise. Even Jesus stated in Mark that God created male and female!!
God and ONLY God the father creaated EVERYTHING! Not Jesus. Even Jesus stated in the book of Mark that God in the beginning created male and female.
@@priscillajervey8345:
John 1: 1-3 states that Jesus was coexistent with God, that Jesus created everything and without any exceptions. There is no contradiction in Jesus sang that God created everything, including Man as male and female. Jesus stated repeatedly in the gospels that he is himself God; that is why the Jews on at least two occasions tried to kill Jesus.
@@denvan3143Thank you for defending Truth ✝️❤️
Because Christ is the Word, it is most appropriate to use a linguistic paradigm to describe the Trinity.
The word "word" derives from the Latin "verbum". It is this fact, in conjunction with the fact that the Son demonstrates the Father exhaustively, that the morpheme "verb" can be employed to mean "to voice" (as in "I told him verbally") or as a grammatical category denoting action/doing.
Christ then is the 'verb' of God, and because He proceeded from and demonstrates the Father in both word and action, the Father is necessarily the 'noun'.
And so inasmuch as state is primary and action secondary, the Faither being the 'noun' and thus state, is greater than the Son who is the action of that state. Commensurately, we are told in scripture that at the end of all things the Son shall hand the kingdom back to the Father, "that God may be all in all".
And yet notwithstanding such ontologically-implied inequivalence, the Son is (nevertheless) equal with the Father inasmuch as He is the exhaustive expression of the Father.
To exemplify, we may use the substantive:
In the clause "I am", the Father is "I (am)" where the noun "I' is primary and the verb "am" implied
and
the Son is "(I) am" where the verb "am" is primary and the noun "I" implied.
So they are both "I am" and thus both God: the Father implies the Son, and the Son implies the Father, as is (also) to be expected from the sheer (familial) meaning of the words "father" and "son".
Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father.
@@timothys4864 : How can one who has been begotten, born , lived and died be eternal ?
@@gerryquinn5578 Gerry, Gerry, Gerry. I have already told you that without consistent exegesis and the willingness to truthfully look at what all the bible says you will never get it.
Sorry that you are unwilling to do that.
@@timothys4864 : In your comment you say : " Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father." Not only did you fail to answer my question about how one who has been begotten, lived and died be 'eternal', but you even claim that Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father. This makes two Gods.
@@gerryquinn5578 I have already told you several times that without being consistent in your exegesis you will never get it.
Again, sorry for you.
Where is the Son there is the Father, the Son could not exist unless it's the Father! Can a child come from no parents?
How then does the father send the Spirit of his Son into our hearts crying out abba father, because I thought jesus said ( Yahshua ) the holy spirit will be with you and in you who is wrong the father or the son ? Can't you figure it out it is one god not 3 persons the holy spirit is jesus spirit, the word became flesh not flesh became the word and the word is god, god manifest himself into the flesh so the father's word is not separate from himself it's still him, just like your word isn't another person either it is still you the problem people have is that they read backwards don't start from new testament and read your own doctrine I to the text read from genesis to the new testament but trinitarians like to start from the new testament and work backwards to the old, dangerous thing to do.
There is no 'problem' with the trinity. It is, pure and simple, a post -Apostolic teaching, introduced by later Greek educated 'Church Fathers' . It developed and evolved over time before taking its current shape at the end of the fourth century. It is anachronistic to read it into scripture. The God od the OT is/was a single person God. Jesus and his Jewish disciples worshipped this God.
The scriptures quoted not only show a clear distinction between Father and Son but there are many more that show a clear distiction between the Lord Messiah and God.
There were no scriptures to which Tertullian could refer that showed that the one God existed as three persons. There were none that suggested that they were co-eternal ; co-equal etc. Indeed, the opposite was true.
Tertullian would have done well to follow his own maxim"whatever is first is true." His arguments certainly did not represent those that were first or true.
Bravo for you. You got some smarts and obviously know the history of Christianity. Why would I want to believe anything the church fathers believed OVER the words of God and Jesus? I"m not that dumb.
@@priscillajervey8345 : You may not be but many others apparently are. They have been told that is is the original, the biblical, the 'orthodox' view and that all other views are heretical . If only they would read the gospels and the NT for themselves and let the texts speak and guide their views rather than force their views on the text.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the text that God exists as one essence but three 'persons'.
@@gerryquinn5578 Yes, me also!
@@gerryquinn5578 Read st irenaeus
Its not anarchronistic
you place limits on God
@@driatrogenesis : Sorry, I can't find his book in any of my Bibles.
The trinity is totally misunderstood. It is intended to be a simplified explanation of what
makes Christianity the truth.
You have to say "You CAN DENY" the father, and the son, but you CAN'T deny the holy ghost.
If you understand why you CAN deny the father and son, but CAN'T deny the Holy Ghost,
then you know what Christianity is all about.
Who is the author of confusion?
The Devil, the father of it. John 8:44
And why did the Jews take up stones to kill Jesus when he said he was God? Because of the father of confusion. Why didn’t people understand Jesus when he said he was the source of “living waters”? Because of the father of confusion.
Jesus identified himself as both God, the father and the source of the Holy Spirit, concerning Jesus it is said he has the Holy Spirit without limit.
The Holy Spirit is defined as a person” when he, the Holy Spirit come, he will teach you all things.” Jesus, describe the Holy Spirit as powers of discernment and discretion: “he will not speak of his own authority” - John 17. The Holy Spirit is described as being able to experience emotion: “and grieve not the Holy Spirit.“ the Holy Spirit is described as being present during an part of the process of creation: “the Holy Spirit covered over the waters.” As a part of the three part nature of God, he, the Holy Spirit is described as a fully functional being.
The episode ascribed to the Trinity as “pagan” is at best misdirection: do you seriously think anyone and Christianity has three alters? That they pray to three separate gods? Of course not. Using the word “pagan” is a scare tactic, emotional manipulation. “God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and of a sound mind [Self-discipline, self-control, emotional and mental balance]. 2 Timothy 1:7.
I see far too much expression of personal opinion on the subject as opposed to consulting the scripture and speaking from its authority, not their own.
The problem is unbief and spiritually discerned people.
Are we a Theophany? Are we not made on Gods image? What does Paul say a man is? A body a soul and a spirit, yet one man. God placed this one man all alone in the garden, and said it is not good that man dwell. Showing all creation God is alone, in Job God says their was no one to his left or his right when he made all creation. Jesus according to the scriptures is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Just as a man/woman are the fullness of themselves bodily. Now we shouldn’t put limits on God’s spirit can a single vessel contain him? I’d say no but in Christ dwelt all the power and knowledge of God bodily in this saying in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead. Can one’s body do anything without the spirit saying move? In saying Jesus can say not even the son knows when the end will be until the spirit moves him. The father is spirit and we must worship him in spirit and truth. We can all agree sometimes we don’t know when we are ready to do something till our spirit moves us. Some things we may premeditate on other things are spirit moves us to action.
I believe the bible is clear in the new and old testaments. The Father is not the Son and the Son and Father are not the Spirit. Lot of scriptural gymnastics being done here against God.
I’m explaining the puzzle, not giving my account of it.
Yes I can see here one might ask this question. I think he speaks in forked tongue. Does he really even know what he believes?? Why so many references to the church fathers - Great balls of Fire, they didn't even agree. Why did it take centuries to work out the Trinity, a three-in-one God or a God-man [Chalcedon 451 AD.] Don't God tell us who he is and also who Jesus the Messiah is? But yet we are told by man there is a Three in One God, , not three persons, yet all distinct, but equal, etc etc etc goes the incomprehensible and redundant rhetoric that Trinitarians can't themselves explain that is why they MUST retort that it is a mystery.
451 A.D.? Try the gospel of John chapter 1 verses one to rhree and Genesis wh 1:1-3.
Excellent video - this really helped me put a finger on where I have been struggling with the role God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I was raised as a trinitarian but could never get on board with the concept that there were basically 3 Gods! This to me is just a very weak attempt at explaining the unexplainable. God is all, God is ONE. Jesus was attempting to bring in people to a monotheistic religion where polytheism was running amok. What a better way to ease people into a new system of belief by creating 3 “persons” but under the cloud of one God? it makes total sense. This is how the masses have been indoctrinated into many different systems/religions throughout history. Even 2000 years ago it was about marketing and branding 😂
Well stated.
Careful now, Tertullian invented the trinity based on ideas he took from paganism, not revelation from God. None of the features of tertullian's theory are mentioned in the bible. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean tertullian was right. Isaac Newton didn't believe in the trinity, in his book Daniel and the Revelation he points a massive problem with this theory
Still waiting for the next part of this explanation. When God says "... and my glory will I not give to another..." (Isaiah 42:8) does that "another" include the Son and the Holy Spirit? Can we worship the Son and worship the Holy Spirit?
@@mudonguanamatusse846 As I understand it. God gave "of" his holy spirit in full measure to Jesus at his baptism. The holy spirit can be quantified, water, wind , fire and power! The holy spirit is God's spirit and he gives to all who ask and who he choses. It is God's life force. Jesus Never worshiped the holy spirit per sa.
Do you believe there are two complete, separate and distinct phenomenon called “light”? One that is discrete particles or photons, and the other being waves in the electromagnetic spectrum, specifically between 400 nm and 700 nm?
They are not too separate phenomenon, they are one and the same thing, those seemingly separate in their nature; the duality of light was established with the split experiment in the 1800s.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The triune nature of God may be in decipherable to the human intellect; that does not relegated to the realm of irrationality, nor, because we cannot decipher it intellectually does not make it false.
In the Old Testament we have the Great Psalm on the Messiah, Who is The Lord Jesus Christ
in Psalm 110, verse 1, we read: "Yehôvâh Says to Adoni...". The Father here addresses Jesus Christ.
In the Gospels in the New Testament, Matthew 22:41-46; Mark 12:35-37; Luke 20:41-44, it is clear that Jesus uses this Psalm for Himself, which is also clear from Acts 2:34-36, that Jesus Christ is the Person addressed as "Adoni"
Some have supposed that the Name "Adoni" is a "lesser" One than "Yahweh", and is only used for inferior humans. This is WRONG, as its Hebrew root, “’sḏōn”, is also used for God, Yahweh, in the Old Testament, for example:
Exodus 23:17, “Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord (’āḏōn) God (Yehôvâh)”
Exodus 34:23, “Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord (’āḏōn) God (Yehôvâh), the God ('Elôhı̂ym) of Israel”
Deuteronomy 10:17, “For the LORD (Yehôvâh) your God ('Elôhı̂ym), he is God of gods and Lord of lords (’ăḏōn, ’ăḏōn), the Great (gâdôl) God (’ēl), the Mighty (hagibōr), and the Awesome (yârê'), who doesn’t respect persons or take bribes”
Joshua 3:11, 13, “Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord (’ăḏōn) of all the earth passeth over before you into Jordan...And it shall come to pass, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests that bear the ark of the LORD (Yehôvâh), the Lord (’ăḏōn) of all the earth”
Nehemiah 8:10, “for this day is holy to our Lord (’ăḏōn). And do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength”
Nehemiah 10:29, “do all the commandments of the LORD (Yehôvâh) our Lord (’ăḏōn) and His rules and His statutes”
Also very interesting is the reading of verse 5, in Psalm 110
Instead of the reading “The Lord at Your Right Hand”, Who is the same “’āḏōn”, in verse 1, is here called, “’Aḏōnāy”. In fact, there are a number (about 20) of Hebrew manuscripts, that actually read “Yehôvâh”. These Hebrew manuscripts are Jewish, and nothing to do with the Christian Church. It is clear that verse 5 was corrupted by the Jews, by replacing “Yehôvâh”, with “’Aḏōnāy”. There is also one Hebrew manuscript, of the Jews, that Reads in verse 1, "Yehôvâh said to Yehôvâh"!
In the Old Testament Book of the Prophet Zechariah, in chapter 2, we have TWO distinct Persons, Who are called "Yehôvâh". the One Who says that He is SENT, is known as "The Messenger of Yehôvâh". In verses 6 and 10, the Speaker is "Yehôvâh". and He says that ANOTHER Person, Who is, ""Yehôvâh" of the Armies", has SENT Me. One "Yehôvâh" is SENT, and the Other "Yehôvâh", is the SENDER!
Then we have a clear Teaching that the Holy Spirit is also "Yehôvâh"
2 Samuel 23:2
"The Spirit of the LORD speaks by me (heb. verb, ‘dibber’, is masculine); His word (heb. noun, ‘millah’, feminine) is on my tongue. The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me” (ESV Hebrew-English Old Testament)
This is very interesting in the Hebrew text. The subject is “The Spirit of the LORD”, which is used for the One Person. Here “Spirit” is the Hebrew “rauch”, which is a feminine word. (grammatical gender, and nothing to do with the “sex” of the object). However, we would have expected the Hebrew to then use the feminine, “doberot” (speaks); which would grammatically agree with the feminine “rauch”. But, this is not the case. Instead, it reads, “dibber”, which is masculine. This is because the construct-phrase, “The Spirit of the LORD”, is a “Person”, and not just “wind or force”. Here we have very clear testimony to the Deity of the Holy Spirit, and further evidence that He is “uncreated and eternal”, which is the Name YAHWEH, used for the Holy Spirit. Even though there is the use of the feminine Hebrew noun, “millah”, translated “His word”, for grammatical purposes (“rauch”), this does not affect the meaning in any way.
The Holy Spirit is here called "Yehôvâh", "The God of Israel", and "the Rock of Israel"
It is very clear that we have THREE distinct Persons in the Old Testament, Who are equally GOD.
Thank you for your in-depth comment. I have taken some notes and will give this matter further study. It would appear from what you related the record of the Trinity predates the New Testament and is certainly not” invention” of the early Greek church. God bless you and have a good day.
The Trinity doctrine is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine. No Trinity exists. The simple reason is that Jesus - the divine Person directly concerned - FOUR GOSPELS LONG states to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, never with TWO other Persons!!! YOU MUST ACCEPT THE DIRECT TESTIMONY OF JESUS, NO INVENTIONS PLEASE!!!!!!
Thus, of course only TWO BLASPHEMIES are possible: either against the Son or the Father. From the Jesus' speech about those TWO blasphemies, you can learn that the Father is called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus. This means that the FATHER IS A SPIRIT. You get confirmation of that from verses Jn. 4:23,24. To recap, the Father is either called "Holy Father" or "Holy Spirit" according to circumstances. "Holy Spirit" is just a "spirit-name" used to identify that Spirit.
I'm presenting this as someone earnestly searching for truth, so please don't take this as an attack, but I feel like your whole argument is debunked by this: Mark 3:29 ESV but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"
Jesus says you can blaspheme Me and the Father, but to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. If there are not separate entities within the unified being of of God, how does blaspheming one send you to hell while blaspheming the other two do not?
Is the Trinity not more akin to "mind, body and spirit" yet one human? My body performs functions, my spirit performs functions, and my mind performs functions.
DAVID THERES NO PROBLEM WITH THE
TRINITY! JESUS SET THIS UP IN MATTHEW 28: 18-20! THERE IS
NOTHING WRONG WITH THE GOD
THE FATHER& JESUS THE SON OF
GOD JEHOVAH& THE HOLY GHOST!
MAN HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE
TRINITY BECAUSE THAY ARE LOST!
THAY HAVE NOT BEEN SAVED&FILLED
WITH HOLY GHOST! THATS THE PROBLEM! SO TO UNDERSTAND
U HAVE TO BE SAVED&FILLED WITH
THE HOLY GHOST! I WAS LIKE THIS
GUY WHEN I WAS LOST I DID NOT
UNDERSTAND! UNTIL I GOT SAVED&
GOT FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST!
HE'S REAL! YALL OUT THERE TRY HIM
JESUS WILL MAKE UR DAY! THERE IS
NO DAY UNTIL U GET SAVED! BOY WHAT
A DAY I WILL NEVER FORGET! UNTIL YALL DO THAT YALL WILL NOT
UNDERSTAND IT! GOD BLESS YALL
OUT THERE!🙂
Begin with 10 dollar words to try to make people forget that there is no substance to your argument.😂
Family Systems or Parts Therapy - no conflict if we look at the three as symbols for parts of self or consciousness.
Say what????? More doublr talk!
Say what. Does this theory work for you?
@@priscillajervey8345 It does "work" for me, but it is not the only interpretation that I like. To me, the three-part God-System seems one attempt to contemplate and understand certain baffling paradoxes that we humans struggle with. We conceptualize God as being both One and Many, innate to all and beyond all.
@@hilaryjacobson0 hun??? You lost me.
For more indepth info on this topic watch RUclips video's, 'THE TRINITY- A WARNING TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST PART 1, 2 and 3 -PIONEERING AGAIN' and 'The Future of Unity and the Trail of the Serpent - Judgement Hour'.
[GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.)
The Father, Son and Spirit are called God.
FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4)
All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages.
1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17).
2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16).
3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20).
4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14).
5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6).
The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead.
1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23)
2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25)
3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11)
4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14)
5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]
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The only God is the God of Jesus and his God is not a three person being. It is beyond insane to declare otherwise.
The Bible says the 2nd beast (America) makes an image to the first beast (Catholic Church) and causes all, both great and small to worship the first beast. Satans best deception was convincing people that they are worshiping God when believing in the trinity and worshiping on Sunday, but in reality they are giving worship to satan by idolatry and by disregarding Gods Sabbath. Which is why Yahawashi(Jesus) says "many will come saying Lord Lord... and I will say I never knew you."
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies the Father and the Son.
And what does the trinity teach? That there is no actual Father and Son, but that God plays the role of the Father and Son which is a pagan doctrine.
The shift to Sunday began in the second century during the reign of emperor Hadrian who "promulgated the most anti-jewish anti Sabbath laws" after Jewish revolts in Palestine. To avoid repressive laws Christians move their celebrations to the first day of creation the day of the Sun. Sunday worship is a mark of obedience to the trinity. Not to the one true God. The Sabbath is a sign between God and Men.
Ezekiel 20:20 and hallow my Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
The TRINITY.
Is like SON 1. FATHER
2. GRANDAD 3,
But One PERSON.
That what we call.
3 in ONE
God is Spirit Jn 4 24
( Not Person)
1+1+1=3 no matter what word games you want to play
@@edwardj3070 Yawn
antincrhsit
@@edwardj3070 you are not a chrisitian
Makes no sense at all
The FATHER is everywhere.
The SON is everywhere.
The HOLY SPIRIT is also everywhere.
The SON proceeded from the FATHER.
The HOLY SPIRIT also (now ) proceeded from tbe FATHER.
The HOLY SPIRIT interceedes for us to the FATHER.
JESUS also interceeds for us to the FATHER.
The FATHER does not interceed.
Thw church has ONE LORD who is JESUS. HE is King of Kings and LORD of lords. HE is the Alpha and the Omega.
Those who deny the TRINITY deny the scriptures.
Trinitarians seem to twist things to stay within the concept of monotheism. We have over 8 billion people on earth who are Man. We have 3 persons in heaven that are God. We have one person in heaven that is the God of Gods...the Father.
A GOD WHERE THE CONFUSION OF THE DIVINE NATURE OR ESSENCE WITH ONLY ONE PERSON NOT EXISTS THIS IS AN PHILOSOPHICAL IDEA OF ARISTOTELISM CALLED IN GREEK NOYΣ.THE PROOF OF TRINITY IS THAT THE 3 PERSONS ARE LOVE THE CHRISTIAN LOVE IS ETERNAL BECAUSE IT S GOD S LIFE.
The trinity is not Christianity, it is a doctrine to which many, but not all, subscribe. However, the common explanation of that doctrine is so convoluted and contradictory that no rational thinker can understand it. To simultaneously believe that God is three persons but one God sounds like Hinduism. The so-called Christian trinity is never mentioned in the Bible with the explanation that many modern day theologians give it. One of many contradictions of that explanation includes the belief that a man (Jesus) can be God in the flesh, clearly a departure from God as Spirit, a departure of God as infinite. After all, if Jesus were God walking the earth, what happens to all the people elsewhere on the earth, what happens to the planets and the stars and the rest of the universe? Saying that it's a mystery is not an explanation, nor is it rational to explain it away by saying nothing is impossible to God. God operates by principle, by His own law. He cannot make 2X2=10. He cannot make contradictory laws.
MICHAYAH who is like Yehovah
MICHAEL who is like God
YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING GOD
WHO HAS DECLARED THAT
HE ALONE IS YEHOVAH
HE ALONE IS GOD
THERE IS NO OTHER HOD BESIDES HIM
THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE HIM, WITH HIM OR AFTER HIM
AND
THERE IS NO GOD LIKE HIM, EQUAL TO HIM OR COMPARED TO HIM
Any other form of Godship that this contradict that declared by the Almighty God Yehobah the most high is ungodly and idolatrous and forbidden by Lord God Yehovah for his holy sanctified godly People who as his sons are gods but not his kind of God who in their godships must acknowledge , fear, sacrifice to, worship and serve only him Yehovah as their God
Antichrists are springing up like mushrooms
The Great Apostasy in the house.
I would argue that the Trinity, or at least the significance of the number three and, geometrically the triangle, begins with Pythagoras and his mysticism of mathematics, music and geometry. Of course he is famous for his Pythagorean Theorem and, to a lesser degree, his Pythagorean Tuning on a 3:1 ratio to develop harmonic scales with. Again, there is that number three even in his conceptualization of music. So obviously the three and triangles were deeply important to Pythagoras' Philosophy and idealism. He himself believed in reincarnation and the metempsychosis of the soul into a different form.
And along comes Plato and the forms, his idea and concept of objectivity and design, providing the templates necessary that form the matter in the Universe, including biological life, inanimate objects, and even virtues. Exactly how the Pythagorean Theorem describes the form of a right triangle. So for every table there is a perfect, objective form of "tableness". And for every dog there was an objective form of "dogness" And the forms were eternal and existed in an alternate dimension only accessible by the mind, such as geometric forms or musical notes and harmony. As such, the mind itself must also be in this realm and therefore man had an eternal soul as well, almost by default. The mind, like the form, dictated the matter and this is the essence of idealism as a philosophy as opposed to materialism:
Idealism = Mind Over Matter
Materialism = Matter Over Mind
So the sacred three and triangle carried onward into neo-platonism, but the many forms became one, the neo-platonic one, which became the objective form responsible for all things. And this monistic concept of the objective form in which all matter originates later became the monotheistic concept of a single God. And the Trinity became God, the "One" or objectivity, the Son, or the subjectivity of the One, and then the Holy Spirit which is the realm of forms in which the objectivity, subjectivity and the human soul exist together.
Bear in mind a lot of this was explained to me by someone else, but sounded reasonable from a layman's point of view, someone like me initially getting into philosophy. But I have had no theological education at all so correction and clarification is always appreciated! Thanks and enjoyed the video!
P.S. And not to mention the whole argument with the Sophists, like Protagoras who said "Man is the measure of all things" and that objectivity didn't exist at all. Everything was subjective, even virtues, and basically were moral relativists. More like lawyers who defended murderers they knew were guilty for money instead of seeking justice! Sophists were generally despised by the general public and even Socrates had to defend himself of being a sophist, accused of being one by Meletus during his trial, as recorded in Plato's "Apology"! So the forms, combined with geometry, were meant to be the objectivity that the sophists rejected. And even over the entrance to Plato's school "The Academy" were carved the words "Let None But Geometers Enter Here"! I can't stress enough how important math and geometry was to not only Platonic Idealism, but Neo-Platonism and Christian Theology as well.
it’s interesting to look at the history of geometry and philosophy. both Pythagoras and Plato used this concept, But it seems to be a mystery as to the relationship. For example what does it mean to have three parts as one? If the triangle or trinity is symbolic of this than what is there relative values to each other?
Very interesting, albeit complicated. Let me try and simplify. The breath of life is what God breathed into Adam. Thus breath [oxygen] is carried thrroughout the body to feed the vital organs. If oxygen is cut off from the brain [the spirit] which is what we think with, create with, our personality ability to make decisions and is deprived of oxygen we die or are considered brain dead. Out outer skin is basically out 'visible' tent, which allows us to be seen and see others. You annot see another person's mind [brain], When one dies the whole person dies and goes back to the groun d/ from which it came. We do not have a soul, WE ARE A SOUL just as Adam became.
When some one is down in the spirit, we mean they are sad. When I ride a horse I don't want a high-spirited horse, 'highly energinzed. When people die in a plan crash we generally say x- number of souls perished, never spirits! See what folly it would make if you exchanged the termology/reference. Just somthing more simple to think about. Sometimes less is more.
SERIOUSLY??!!
There is only one GOD and he is our father. Jesus is the son of GOD. Jesus and GOD are one just like a man and woman become one when they get married.
Trinitarians fail to differentiate between a compound unity and a union of purpose.
They don't understand the hebrew word Echad in Deu 6:4 and Gen 2:24.
@@maciiol2Nope ,, Jesus has The Devine Attributes ,,God’s Name … is ……. JESUS 👈👀❤️
Yes,, ONE God,,, and His Name is,,,, JESUS ✨☀️💫
@@maxprescott9371 Jesus is divine yes but not sovereign. Only YHWH is sovereign.
Show me a verse that says Jesus is God.
John 1:1 is a piece of cake to dismantle, anything else?
John 8:58? lol. Too easy.
I've heard them all, thing is I've studied the ancient languages koine greek, hebrew, and sahidic coptic. In the end it all leads to the same thing.
Unitarianism
@@maciiol2 Show me a verse that says He isn’t,,,, He talks like God, He walks like God , He acts like God… because He is God ! The Sacred Scriptures give to the LORD ( YHWH ) Jesus the Highest place that only belongs to God,,, as the True Church has always taught 💒
There is no problem.The Trinity is an example of Polytheism. Nothing wrong with that.
No it's not ignoгaпt liaг😂
Its polytheism. Exactly that. What the trinity is, is that of polytheism
@@JimmieZaccai No, your Salafi-Athari conglomerate-contingent god with 99 uncreated attributes attached to him is🤣👉🐙
@@JimmieZaccaiprove it
@@JimmieZaccai Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one [the only God]!”
These are the words that Jesus spoke when he was asked by an expert in the Mosaic law which was the most important of those laws.
At one point, the Jews took up stones to kill Jesus because he made himself equal to God. Jesus said to his disciples that when they had seen him, they had seen God the father. Jesus was identified by John the Baptist as the source of the Holy Spirit, Jesus also identified himself as the source of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said when he left the Earth, he would not abandoned us, but he would send the Holy Spirit in his place to teach us and remind us of everything Jesus said.
This is not polytheism, this is not worship of three gods, this is one God in three persons, God, the father, God, the son and God, the Holy Spirit. Those who believe in Jesus Christ were baptized in the name of of the father, son and Holy Spirit.
“You are in error, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.” - Jesus, Mark 12:24
Helinisation of the gospel of God Yehovah created a hybrid gospel that is not the pure gospel of God Yehovah.
God gave the word in Hebrew, discarding the Hebrew Davar to embrace Greek logos is core in the antikawism confusion of pagan christianity
Trinity is false doctrine. Roman Empire Catholic lies. The father is the spirit. There is one holy spirit: the Father. Jesus is his HUMAN son. Jesus is not "god" too. Word hijackers! Jesus is human, born just like us. Is anything to hard for the Father?
Justin Martyr lived his life in the first half of the second century , he was born in the year 100 AD , just a few years after the Apostle John died in 92 AD . And he writes that the understanding of The Trinity was already well established in the early church . This was before the Catholic Church existed or the New Testament came together .
@@jwsanders1214 Drop names from the past all you can, and try to convince weak and ignorant people that it's been there all along, That's just paperwork. You cannot deceive me because the Father has lifted that reprobate minded deception and kept it off of me. Is anything to hard for the LORD? Trinity doctrine is spread by Evil deceived people back then just like now. True Christians know GOD is one person: the Father alone. And that Jesus isn't GOD. You are either for the Father or against him. If you hijack the word "GOD" and redefine it to mean three persons, that is evil, deception, idolatry, blasphemy, and polytheism. An elaborate lie is still a wrapped turd. Only the truth is pure. GOD, he is truth. The Father alone. It is written on our foreheads and on our gates and everywhere in our lives.
@@jwsanders1214 You are correct and a student of the Hebrew language related in another thread in this video the following information:
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
Let me set the record straight as God's endtime watchman, called, appointed and anointed by God.
It is written,get wisdom and knowledge,but in all thy getting,get understanding.
Trinity doctrine believers just don't understand.
God is not 3 persons,he is only one person,revealed, manifested and operating in various titles.
Just like you may be someone's husband,father,son, brother,uncle,nephew and cousin,yet all are you,one person operating in various titles,yet you are not even omnipresent as God is.
I will use the scriptures to
disprove the erroneous Trinity doctrines.
Let the scriptures be true,and everyone else a liar.
First let's establish common ground.
I believe that we both agree that there is only one God.
So let's move on from there.
It is written in (1Cor.8:6) and
(Eph.4:5) that there is only one Lord,Jesus Christ.
Now see (Ex.4:10)(Ex.5:22)
(Ps.8:1,9)(Ps.110:1) and (Deu.10:17).
Notice the spelling difference between LORD with every letter in caps,and Lord with only the 'L' in caps.
LORD with all letters in caps is Yahweh/Jehovah.
Lord with only the 'L' in caps is
Yeshua/Jesus.
I have already established that Jesus is the only Lord in
(1Cor.8:6) and (Eph.4:5).
The title lord with no letters in caps is mankind, just as Sarah called Abraham lord in (1Pet.3:6).
So in(Ex4:10)(Ex.5:22)(Ps.8:1,9)(Ps.110:1)and
(Deu.10:17) they clearly reveal that LORD Yahweh is also Lord Yeshua.
It is written in (Ps.110:1) the LORD Yahweh, said unto my Lord Yeshua,sit on my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool.
The key word is UNTIL, meaning temporarily UNTIL Satan and all who followed Satan are cast into the lake of fire,then the Lord Yeshua is no longer sitting on the right hand of LORD Yahweh.
The Son of God was only manifested to destroy the works of the devil and to reconcile the earth back to himself,see (1John 3:8) and
(2Cor.5:18,19).
In (Rev.21:22,23) LORD Yahweh and Lord Yeshua are the same Temple and the same Light.
In (Isa.9:6) the child born who we know is Jesus, is also called the Everlasting Father.
In (John 14:9) Jesus tells Phillip the he is the Father.
In (Matt.28:19) it says to baptize in the name(singular),
not names(plural)of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. That one single name is Jesus.
That's why Peter and Paul baptized in the name of Jesus, not Father,Son and Holy Ghost,
because understood that Jesus was the Father as (Isa.9:6)and(John 14:9) says,
and Jesus is also the Holy Spirit as (2Cor.3:17) reveals.
Moreover, Jesus the Mighty God of (Isa.9:6) is also the same Mighty God of (Jer.32:18) who is called the LORD of host.
This same LORD of host, who is Jesus, is called LORD Yahweh in (Ps.24:7-10).
We know that a prince is the son of a king.
Jesus is called the Prince 5 times in the scriptures,yet he is called the King in 3 scriptures.
He is the Prince according to his humanity as the 2nd Adam, the Lord from heaven,(1Cor.15:45-47) but he is the King according to his deity as LORD Yahweh.
It is written,thy King cometh riding on a colt,(Matt.21:5) and
(Zec.9:9).
For he is KING OF KINGS and
LORD OF LORDS,(Rev.19:16).
Some scriptures say that the Father raised Jesus from the dead,while other scriptures say that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.
Yet in (John 2:19) Jesus said, destroy this temple,meaning his body,and in 3 days I will raise it up from the dead, because he is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Some scriptures say that the Father created everything, while other scriptures say that the Holy Spirit created everything. Yet in (Col.15-17) Jesus is the creator of all things.
It is written, the fullness of the
Godhead dwelleth in Christ bodily,(Col.2:9).
In (Ex.23:21) LORD Yahweh said my name is in him, alluding to Yeshua.
That name is YEHOSHUA.
It is Yahweh and Yeshua combined.
It means Yahweh is Salvation.
The name Yeshua means Yahweh saves.
Yehoshua is the same name that brought the children of Israel into the Promise Land.
It was Joshua who brought the children of Israel into the Promise Land.
The name Joshua in the Hebrew is YEHOSHUA.
Joshua was a type Christ.
This same name YEHOSHUA will bring the church into the Eternal Promise.
In (Rev.3:12) Jesus said, that he will write upon us his Father's name and his new name.
How many names are going to be upon us? Just one name and it is YEHOSHUA, which is Yahweh and Yeshua combined.
Trinity believers try to justify the Trinity doctrines by using scripture verse (Gen.1:26) which says let us make man.
However as you see the scriptures reveal progressive revelations going forward to the book of Revelation.
You will discern that Jesus was always Yahweh incarnate.
So in essence,Yahweh was sitting on his throne in heaven, and simultaneously in Mary's womb as Yeshua/Jesus.
In(Gen.3:15) the seed of the woman, who was Jesus, would crush the serpent's head.
That was done on the cross. It is written, what the enemy meant for evil,God meant for good so that he could save many.
It was Adam who ate from the forbidden tree,and brought death to every man and lost dominion of the earth to Satan. So reconcile the world back to himself and reverse the curse of eternal death,Jesus was crucified on a tree.
It is written,cursed is he that hangeth on a tree(Gal.3:13).
On the cross made from a tree,
Jesus became a curse,taking all of mankind's sins on his body nailing them to the cross,
see(Col.2:14).
Then took the sins to hell and took the keys of hell from Satan and resurrected himself from hell,because he knew no sin,so death and hell could not hold him(Acts 2:24).
Neither the Father nor the Son are God without the Holy Spirit.Both are Omnipotent,
Omnipresent and Omniscient by the Holy Spirit.
You can't be a natural father unless you have offspring,so before Lucifer and the angels were created,there was no title of the Father.
The Holy Spirit became the Father when he created Lucifer and the angels,then the Father became the Son for the redemption of mankind.
The Holy Spirit is the creator of all things,(Gen.1:2)(Job 26:13)
(Job 33::4) and (Ps.33:6).
The Holy Spirit glorifies the Father and the Son,because they are literally him in another form.
Jesus is the Advocate, Mediator yet the Judge.
He is the Son of God according to his deity,yet the Son of Man,because of his mother Mary.
He was also the Angel of the LORD.
Jesus had every title and office.
In conclusion,it is written in
(Deu.6:4)(John.10:30) and
(1John.5:7) that Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one.
When I hear trinitarians try to explain the trinity I don't know wether to cry or laugh. They have zero understanding of the context of the New Testament.... Jesus and the apostles were monotheists! not multi theists! when you read the Bible in that context it is clear that Jesus is God.... Revelation clearly says that Jesus is the final and full revelation of who and what God is. There is not three persons. There is only ONE and His name is Jesus.... the Bible is a progressive revelation of that truth. The Father Son analogy was just that... analogy used as a tool to reveal to us who He is in bite sized truths. Jesus is God. Ask Him for yourself.
Of course he is God
you are the ines sewing discord
there is no problem
You are not a Christian, somwho are you to tell thek what to believe you are a deceiver
1. Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”
2. Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
3. Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”
4. Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
5. John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
6. John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”
7. Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”
8. Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”
9. Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
10. Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”
11. Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”
12. 1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
13. 2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
14. Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
15. Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
16. Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
17. Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
18. Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.
19. Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
20. 1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Christ is the logos. Christ had to became flesh to live amongst us to take away our sins. God the father could never walk among us because we are not able to approach him. Christ asks his father for the "comforter" to be sent and so to exist in our lives, but only if you know Christ as the son of God. God the father sent his son to be among us in order to make the holy spirit to the reality in our life. God is made real through the most intangible manifest of God: the Holy Spirit. Christ Himself cannot be in our world anymore as he ascended into heaven seated on the right hand of the Father. "Therefore the Holy spirit is there on earth right here right now ... The comforter is our conduit to God the father. It has to be that way in that order for us to enter eternal life. The logic is there and is without any dispute.
The Scriptures don't teach that Christ is the logos. You just take John 1 out of context and then reinterpret the entirety of Scripture to fit your false teaching. Christ did not preexist. You teach as doctrine the traditions of men.
I agree.
@@Willie_Wahzoo You are not a Christian
MICHAYAH who is like Yehovah
MICHAEL who is like God
YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS YEHOVAH WHO ALONE IS GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING GOD
WHO HAS DECLARED THAT
HE ALONE IS YEHOVAH
HE ALONE IS GOD
THERE IS NO OTHER HOD BESIDES HIM
THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE HIM, WITH HIM OR AFTER HIM
AND
THERE IS NO GOD LIKE HIM, EQUAL TO HIM OR COMPARED TO HIM
Any other form of Godship that this contradict that declared by the Almighty God Yehobah the most high is ungodly and idolatrous and forbidden by Lord God Yehovah for his holy sanctified godly People who as his sons are gods but not his kind of God who in their godships must acknowledge , fear, sacrifice to, worship and serve only him Yehovah as their God
Deuteronomy 6:4 ASV
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:
Isaiah 45:5-6,22-23 ASV
I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me; [6] that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. [22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else. [23] By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isaiah 43:10 ASV
Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Deuteronomy 32:39-40 ASV
See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand. [40] For I lift up my hand to heaven, And say, As I live for ever,
Isaiah 40:8,10,18,25,28 ASV
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever. [10] Behold, the Lord Jehovah will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him: Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. [18] To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? [25] To whom then will ye liken me, that I should be equal to him? saith the Holy One. [28] Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard? The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary; there is no searching of his understanding.
Isaiah 46:5,9-10 ASV
To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? [9] Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; [10] declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
Isaiah 43:11 ASV
I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 44:6 ASV
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12,17-18 ASV
Hearken unto me, O Jacob, and Israel my called: I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. [17] Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am Jehovah thy God, who teacheth thee to profit, who leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. [18] Oh that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
1 Samuel 2:2 ASV
There is none holy as Jehovah; For there is none besides thee, Neither is there any rock like our God.
THE ****FATHER*** AND THE*** HOLY SPIRIT***( ARE THE SAME), ***IF THE FATHER IS SAID TO BE JESUS FATHER**** ,BY JESUS HIMSELF, THEN (LUKE,1,35)THE"""" HOLY GHOST"""" SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE ,SO THEN WHO BROUGHT FORTH THE BIRTH OF THE SON THE ****FATHER ****AND ***THE HOLY SPIRIT*** ARE THE (SAME),( ONLY )THE SON HAS A DIFFERENT NATURE,,(GALATIANS 4:4)(GOD) SENT FORTH*** HIS SON ****(MADE) OF A (WOMAN,) THE FATHER (DIVINE), THE SON (HUMAN), THE FATHER WAS IN THAT HUMAN BODY, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF (2CORINTHIANS 5:19)THAT WHY (1JOHN 1:3) SAY OUR FELLOWSHIP IS WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON, GOD IS NOT THREE PERSON, NOR DOES HE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PERSONALITY, IT WAS THE FATHER THAT ORCHESTRATED REDEMPTION, THE SON GETS NO CREDIT FOR CREATION, (NOT THAT HUMAN BODY) MARY IS NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD, THE TRINITY DOCTRINE WAS NOT TAUGHT IN THE EARLY CHURCH THAT STARTED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, THE TRINITY DOCTRINE, FIRST STARTED WITH THEOPHILUS OF ANTIOCH, THEN TERTTULLIAN, ALL OF THEM WERE PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CONSTANTINE, THE COUNCILS OF NICAEA AND ALL THE COUNCILS AND CREEDS BROUGHT FOR MY ROME ,CONSTANTINE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
Sigh.
If God is a higher dimensional being, we could be seeing three dimensional slices of God.
Hence father, son, holy spirit.
Check our Bernadette Roberts on this topic.
What is she saying?
Jesus was not created by trinity. Jesus could not be both a son ad have existed all the time with god.the notion of sons signifies birth ad in the animal life mode for living things mostly means efforts by two sexual opposites
If God cold have a son where d8d he kaern that method or ingenuity?did he see it ad where?was he a,son also?why was the significance of fatherhood in divine commu nicotine?
In a way or the other son inferior to father in authority among other things ad to the fathers partner.or God was,a divorcee as Satan is actually a female if God is a,male but apart from the biblical authors we don't hear from God on his sensuality ad what purpose it plays
There are some mentally, spiritually twisted people commenting on this video,, Trinity is all thru Scripture ! that’s how the doctrine got started in the first place,,, it’s in the BUBLE 📖👈 👀? READ
To believe Christian scripture literally means one does not comprehend the concept of allegory.
To interpret the writings as allegorical storytelling of the astrotheological myths is not bad.
However, to recognize the fractal nature of the concept or its application in other scales as esoteric knowledge is profound.
To look at the Holy Trinity as being a part of oneself can provide insight.
Father = thought, Holy Spirit (the sacred feminine) = emotion, The Son = action.
To be whole, holy, or enlightened in its application means: to act as one, to feel, and think, hopefully in accordance with the natural law of morality.
Matthew 11:
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
It is always so refreshing to have an intellectual among us, they make thing so clear,
I doubt you’ll find anyone nearly as impressed with your vocabulary as you. Having spent a lifetime reading and dividing my time between reading my Bible and reading the dictionary, my vocabulary is quite likely in excess of yours, but I find the Daisy chain of Redrick. You have constructed to be more full of high octane, verbs, and nouns then of any actual information. But you are entertaining. 😋
@@denvan3143Yes, I took the time to correct it. I hope it's better like this.
To my defense, it's my second language, but I'm glad you're having fun even at my expense.
@@manuricher4370 yes, my entertainment is certainly on your account. I spent 20 years in the technical publication industry; the unvarying guiding principle was to make matters as plainly understandable as possible. In the course of my career, I encountered those who were incapable of expressing themselves, simply and clearly. It pointed to two possibilities: either they did not really understand the subject matter, or they did not want to communicate things properly, preferring to remain mysterious.
While somethings are irreducible, in general, if you can’t explain something in simple words, there is the distinct possibility you don’t understand the subject.
It’s curious to me people will pass off portions of scripture “poetry“ and/or “allegory“ while ignoring the fact, the function of poetry is to reflect reality at allegory illustrates an underlying reality. Neither one is an exception to reality.
I will leave you with this:
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
God made it clear and simple...Man's ego has complicated it with concepts like Trinity.
You are so right!
How right you are. I don't know why they want Jesus to be God!! Why do they want to push God off his throne and place Jesus upon it. Jesus sits at the right hand of God . SO SAYS SCRIPTURES NUMEROUS TIMES. Go figure!
@@priscillajervey8345 I think its all Satans Games. Satan creates false doctrines and then traditions established on its lies. Common church goers are to ignorant to see through it or to fearful to admit it.
@@thinktankindi2664 You are so right, if they did they would probably get kicked out of church and lose their friends etc. I know from experience.
Yes and what a farce and the biggest LIE of Christendom. But it has been my experience the majority CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
God is spirit and it's not the spirit BUT THE FLESH who been crucify and die. Learn your bible texts. Jesus was GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH 1Tim.3:16 this is why Jesus is the visible image (flesh) of the invisible God (spirit) .....not another person of a triune pagan gods being three and NOT ONE !!!! And what about the Holy Spirit ? Another God in a trinity of three distinct gods??? God is spirit and he is saint , and he dwell in all is elects. God do not have three heads and six arms this is the Hindu trinity.
Brovo brother, but you will never convince the Trinities, they love love their God-man, and three-headed God.
@@priscillajervey8345 God became a man sir , the words BECAME FLESH , not a second gods but a man made of flesh for to crucify is flesh and reconcile us with him.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. And him were all things created without him was not anything that was made. John 1:1-3
So yes, Jesus is God and he is also the son of God. The Godhead is three persons in one; there is conversation that takes place between the members of the godh ood.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the the one who was sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
No one is suggesting God has three heads; that is ridicule, not righteousness.
I’m not sure there is a Hindu god with three heads in addition to six arms, but perhaps you would know more about them than me; I don’t pay attention to Hinduism.
@@denvan3143 John 1 the WORD wad GOD and the WORD BECAME FLESH !! this WORD was in the beginning creating all things Gen.1:3 And God SAY let there be light !!!! God WORD here he is expressing himself trough WORD ''let there be light'' .......... tell me WHERE ARE THE THREE PERSOND HERE ??)
The word is NOT another person BUT the expression of God !!!!!!!!!!
When I talk , I talk with WORD this is how I express myself and It's not another person :) the trinitarians are dangerous they always lies concerning the God of he bible like the Roman Catholic they call their gods MY TRIUNE GOD but nobody ever call, God my triune God our God like Jesus God is THE FATHER.
Here are the three persons:
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.@@michelhaineault6654
You've identified just a few of the many problems with the Trinity - historically, Biblically, and philosophically. The way to sort the mess out is to dispense with the unbiblical notion of the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. Once you realize the Bible is true - "there is one God, the Father" - everything falls into place. Instead of saying "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God" you can stick to Scripture and affirm "the Father is God." Then the fact that the Father is not the Son, and the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, all makes perfect sense. It also perfectly protects the unity between the Father and the Son because it's not about substance. This is where the Nicene Creed, unfortunately, ingrained in the psyche of Christians ever since, was so far astray from Bible truth with its embracing of the homoousion idea (a thoroughly unbiblical notion) and the eternal begettal of the Son (nonsensical, and based on a now realized mistake in understanding what monogenes means.) God and Jesus are united by virtue of spiritual things like character and purpose, not substance. Furthermore, language in John elsewhere which is misused by Trinitarians to support their idea is used for believers' unity with God and his Son in John 17.
Have you come across "Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology?"? It does not support the form of Monarchianism you deal with in the video. Instead, it looks at another form of Monarchianism that states biblically that there is one God, the Father, Jesus is the Son of God born of the virgin Mary and having no prior existence (except in the mind of his Father) before his conception, and the Holy Spirit is the power of God.
By the way, the Apostles' Creed does not teach the Trinity. It is perfectly acceptable to read it in light of what the Bible teaches (which is most certainly not the Trinity.)
There is a multitude of other things you could highlight that show the problems with the Trinity. The one you highlight I summarize as the "God race" problem. The Trinity does sound like there are three gods. I still think that's what it teaches and therefore is just another form of polytheism. However, if we assume for a moment that your point about their unity overcomes that problem then what you have is a God race. There are three distinct persons in the Godhead, but they only describe one God. Therefore if I went to the equivalent of Mount Olympus to talk to these persons I would knock on the front door and it might be God the Son answering it. But I want to talk to God the Father, and since God the Son is not God the Father then he would have to call to another part of the house for God to the Father to come to the front door. Therefore, while you might describe them as being one God it's like saying the 7 billion people on earth are one Man. Distinct persons but members of the united human race. To me, that still means there are three gods in the Trinity heresy.
One of the main philosophical problems with the Trinity is the death and resurrection of Christ, which, as it happens to be right at the core of the gospel message, would seem to be something important to figure out. If Jesus is God then who died on the cross? God cannot die, so it was not God the Son who died on the cross. Then who was it? I am told by Trinitarians that it was the human aspect of Jesus that died on the cross because he was "fully God and fully man." I am told he had to die as a substitute (another unbiblical notion, by the way, but orthodox atonement theology is necessarily informed by the Trinity) because only the death of Jesus could atone for the sins of the whole world. But it was only the human aspect of Jesus who died, so how on earth is the robe of human flesh a satisfactory sacrifice? It would require God dying (according to penal substitution) to atone for the sins of the whole world. But God cannot die; Jesus as God the Son did not die. Furthermore, when "Jesus" died what happened? What was God the Son doing? He cannot die so when his human aspect died God the Son must have been living and, for some reason, waiting for three days to be united with his resurrected self. The whole thing makes zero sense.
What does make sense is that Jesus is not God, he is the son of God, and he died on the cross and stayed dead before being raised after three days because he is a man. A man specially created by God by using his power, the Holy Spirit, to cause him to be born in the womb of the virgin Mary. A man who depended totally on his Father and was strengthened by God to overcome sin and death. It all makes sense and is majestic, unlike the complete mess of the Trinity.
Thankfully people who study the Bible independently of Christian thought and creedal dogma never come up with the Trinity. Why? Because it doesn't make any sense and isn't found anywhere in the Bible.
I find myself repeating this: the Trinity is biblical and historical.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Hebrews 1:1-2, KJV)
Or if you prefer it in the Amplified Bible:
Heb 1:1 God, having spoken to the fathers long ago in [the voices and writings of] the prophets in many separate revelations [each of which set forth a portion of the truth], and in many ways,
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken [with finality] to us in [the person of One who is by His character and nature] His Son [namely Jesus], whom He appointed heir and lawful owner of all things, through whom also He created the universe [that is, the universe as a space-time-matter continuum].
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance and only expression of the glory of [our awesome] God [reflecting God's Shekinah glory, the Light-being, the brilliant light of the divine], and the exact representation and perfect imprint of His [Father's] essence, and upholding and maintaining and propelling all things [the entire physical and spiritual universe] by His powerful word [carrying the universe along to its predetermined goal]. When He [Himself and no other] had [by offering Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for sin] accomplished purification from sins and established our freedom from guilt, He sat down [revealing His completed work] at the right hand of the Majesty on high [revealing His Divine authority],
@@denvan3143 It is intriguing you try to prove the Trinity from the Old Testament. Somehow it was missed for centuries until you figured it out in 2024. If I were you I would try to understand the Hebrew concept of agency which will answer all your questions and help you read passages like Zechariah 2 in a more Biblical light rather than through the lens of your clearly biased Trinitarianism. To summarize, agents of God (e.g., angels, people with authority in the community of God like Moses) can be given the names and titles of Yahweh without being Yahweh himself. It is an extremely simple concept.
The Holy Spirit is not called Yahweh in 2 Sam. 23:2. It says "the spirit of the LORD" (ESV) or "The LORD's spirit" (NET), that is, the spirit which belongs to Yahweh. If the spirit here was Yahweh himself it would say something like "the spirit the LORD" or "the spirit which is the LORD." Furthermore, the spirit is a thing, not a person.
@@denvan3143 The Trinity is not Biblical. It is only historical insofar as it was invented by men steeped in classical philosophy and astray from what the Bible teaches.
in Zechariah, as in multiple OT instances, angels speak with the name Yahweh because they are his agents. Look up the principle of agency. It will answer a lot of your questions and is utterly simple, unlike the nonsensical Trinity idea.
Yahweh is most assuredly not three persons in the OT. There is only one God. There are not three gods. If Yahweh was three persons there would be three gods. Don't try and wriggle out of that with Trinitarian nonsense. It is very simple: three persons = three separate beings, three gods.
If you follow Trinitarian logic, however, there are many more than three persons who have the name Yahweh or Elohim. Moses, the judges of Israel, to name some. The Godhead ends up being a multiplicity of persons in one which includes normal human beings. Utter nonsense of course, but that is where Trinitarian logic always leads - down rabbit holes of impossible-to-defend illogical nonsensical ideas.
It is intriguing you use Hebrews 1. Hebrews is about proving Jesus is better than the things connected with the Law of Moses and Levitical priesthood. Instead of chapters 1 and 2 being written the author could simply have said "Jesus is better than the angels because he's God." But it doesn't say that. The Trinity is so far astray from Bible truth it's bizarre.
@@richardmorgan3938 you are not a Christian
@@driatrogenesis I follow Christ so I beg to differ. But coming from a Trinitarian (which I assume you are) it is not surprising. The nonsensical Trinity idea, made up by men steeped in classical philosophy and rubber-stamped by the pseudo-Christian Constantine for political purposes, has become so ingrained into mainstream Christianity that it leads people down this path you're on. What gives you the right to call anyone who professes Christ "not a Christian"? Where do you get this authority from? I believe you are misinformed and astray from Bible truth but I would never dare say you are anything but what you profess to be, a Christian. By the way, you should talk to ex-Trinitarians who have found Bible truth (biblical Unitarianism) - it is like the fog has lifted and they can see clearly.
Tertullian was NOT a Trinitarian.
And non trinitarians are not Christians
Can you name a single Christian denomination that is not trinitarian
and is also NOT freemasonic or mysticism/theosophy in origin?
I dare you to
it says God was manifested in the flesh 1 Timothy 3:16, also Jesus says he has all power in heaven and in Earth Matt. 28 Verses 18 to 20, says so if God is manifested in the flesh and his Name is Jesus and Jesus says he has all Power wouldnt that mean he is the Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 in the King James Version reads: "God was manifest in the flesh," referring to Jesus Christ. But most newer translations omit any reference to God and read, "He was manifest in the flesh" or "He who was revealed in the flesh." The discovery of older Greek manuscripts showed that the word "God" did not originally appear in this verse. The American Standard Version has a footnote that reads: “The word _God,_ in place of _He who,_ rests on no sufficient ancient evidence.” Apparently, this corruption of the text was introduced to support the Trinity doctrine.
Who was it that gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth? On the night before he was killed, Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in John chapter 17. In verse 2, he prayed, “You granted him authority over all people.” So God the Father granted Jesus authority, including the authority to forgive sins. Then in verse 3 Jesus prayed, “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Instead of claiming to be God, Jesus recognized that his Father is the only true God.
@jollyrancher521 like you said newer translations, He's the same yesterday today and forever, and if you have ALL power period you can not be co equal with anyone else, that means when Jesus says he is Alpha and Omega in Revelation, he is the First and the Last
The Jewish Trinity is what I believe in (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). 3 Gods, not 1. 3 distinct divine persons/beings, not 1 divine being with 3 divine persons crammed inside, all jockeying for position to be seen and heard. The Jewish earthly tabernacle is a copy of that which exists in heaven. The Outer courtyard and its sacred objects represent God the Holy Spirit. The Holy Place and its sacred objects represent God the Son. The Holy of Holies (Most Holy Place) and its sacred objects represent God the Father. 3 Gods, all occupying their own private rooms in the heavenly tabernacle. If this were not the case, then there would be only 1 room in the heavenly and earthly tabernacle and all the Gods, and all the sacred objects, would be crammed tightly inside of the Most Holy Place (Holy of Holies) with its: Altar of Burnt Offerings, Laver, Table of Shewbread, Lampstand, Altar of Incense, and Ark of the Covenant. A tight fit indeed. However, this is exactly what Christianity has done because they have cut themselves off from their Jewish roots and fallen deeply into apostasy and grave error.
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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John 10:30-33
"I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
@@treesquirrel3722
Hello
So why do you stop at the argument of unbelieving hostile Jews?
Why would you want to use their argument
Jesus corrected them in the next verses
John 10
33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
He says he’s the SON of God
He doesn’t say “you’re right I’m God don’t stone me”
Why use the argument of unbelieving hostile Jews as your argument?
The context is sheep
Jesus takes care of the sheep
The Father takes care of the sheep
John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
28 and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”
Sheep!
Nothing about multiple person God
Jesus also prayed for believers to be one in him and the Father, are you going to argue believers are God too??
Jesus has a God
Who is Jesus’s God?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4
John: "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." (John 1:18)
Paul: "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)
Peter: "Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have received a faith equal to ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:1)
Luke: "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)
Thomas: "Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Don’t be faithless, but believe." Thomas responded to him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:27-28)
@@treesquirrel3722
Hello
Are you able to answer the question?
Who is Jesus’s God?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
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Most of your verses are dependent upon which translation you use
All your argument leads to is Jesus is “God who has a God”…?
Who is Jesus’s God?
@@jimmyray5524
Hello Jimmy
Most translations now have “He who” was manifest in the flesh
Not “God”
Even if it does say “God was manifest in the flesh” that is fine with me and doesn’t mean Jesus is God
Jesus reveals God to us
He is the perfect image of God
Similar to Jesus saying if you see him you see the Father
Obviously that doesn’t mean Jesus IS the Father
It’s more that he is the perfect representative and manifestion of the Father
Yet he’s not the Father
Jesus has a God
Who is Jesus’s God?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
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Jesus is God
argument leads to Jesus is “God who has a God”…?
Who is Jesus’s God?
You must mean, the problem with Christianity in general, with its 39,000 denominations and counting.
Not better with science; the examples of paradoxes like Schrodinger's Cat in QM, Twin Paradox in Einstein's Relativity (A. Einstein died in darkness and rejected his own argument from 1918 in 3 years before he died, in 1952 in talk to R.Schlegel). On this topic: the problem of Pastor's ignorance on logic and the Bible's hermeneutics despite the discoveries like the definition of description by B.Russell in 1905,1910 formally written in Principia Mathematica and esp. scientific semantics by A.Tarski in AD 1936, the author of formal definition of truth in AD 1933 (of classical Aristotle). You see how ...Satan, a liar(John 8:44) rules this dumb world (Luke 4:6) with Rev.Grete Thunberg, and "expert" in CNN panel, and UN IPCC science lunatics on "AGW".ps. in an individual makes a mistake it is only a human cause but if few generations do it then it must be a supernatural cause of such Idiocy.
Amen!
There are only 3 real denominations. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox.
All others are less than 500 years old and heresies. The 3 are Apostolic and disagree on "small" things and have same sacraments/mysteries and so on
That is the result of man misinterpreting the word of god. There were no "denominations", in the first century. None at all...amazing huh? They came along much later, after the dark ages , after the "reformers", hit the scene...and boy....did they reform it ..into the mess we have today
Do you know what the first two Christian congregations were? Did Jewish Christians and after them the non-Jewish Christians, who were tested to by the apostle Peter . He witnessed the gospel of Jesus Christ to them, they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in other tongues.
Did Jewish elders of the Christian Church confer together and applied to the non-Jewish Christians not the 613 laws of Moses, but only three: don’t drink the blood of anything, don’t eat anything that was strangled, don’t eat anything that was sacrificed to fall gods and Tube abstain from sexual immorality. They did not impose the Hebrew culture on the non-Jewish Christians.
The apostles written to the early church by the various apostles, recognized and respected the various cultures of the non-Jewish Christians. Denominations are cultural, the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal.
But perhaps diversity does not appeal to you.
At 14.38, a new Cat-echism
This guy does not know what he is talking about. He is preaching a Neoplatonic interpretation of scripture. It is,therefore, pagan!
Yup
he isnt a Christian
he is a deceiver agent
There is no problem with the Trinity as long as you understand that it is a post-apostolic teaching created by Greek educated theologians and one that did not take its final shape until the fourth century.
not so little buddy , The Trinity is foundational to the scriptures , both old and new . Have you never read John 17:5 or Philippians 2:6 ? OR Colossians 1: 16 ? Do your home work , Justin Martyr documented that fact by the 2nd century , hundreds of years before the Catholic Church . The entire New testament was written in Greek .
@@jwsanders1214 : With the greatest of respect, The doctrine of the Trinity was unknown to Bible writers as it is post-apostolic as standard reference works admit. ( Do you want me to quote some of them ?)
None of the verses you cite mention a trinity of three persons.
You begin with John 17 : 5. However, the context of the prayer is from verse 1, where Jesus is in prayer to his Father. In verse 3, Jesus clearly differentiates himself from the one true God, acknowledging that he is the one sent by the one true God. . In verses 4 and 6, Jesus states that he has glorified God and made his name(reputation) known. In verse 5, Jesus does ask his heavenly Father to glorify him with the glory that he had before the world. The fact that the only -begotten Son may have pre-existed in no way supports a Trinity.
In Philip 2 , Paul again differentiates between God and his Son. The Son did not seek equality with God (v6); the Son died (an immortal God cannot die ); (v8); God exalts his Son, the messianic King, to God's glory.(v11). Please note the differentiation and the lack of a third 'person'.
Finally, you cite Col 1 :16. However, in v 15, Paul has already described the Son as the "image of God", the first born of all creation. An image is just that, it is NOT the real thing (God), but a representation. Furthermore, the Son is described as the 'firstborn'. He is begotten or birthed.
No, the Trinity was understood by the Jews in the Old Testament.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The Trinity wasn’t created in the fourth century A.D.; your belief and that was manufactured many centuries later.
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Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
I have checked the Hebrew text; it is a parent you have not. Wouldn’t it be better to research the scriptures rather than place your belief in critics long after the fact?
@@denvan3143 : As John Mac used to say : " You can't be serious!"
The foundation of Judaism was the Shema. YHWH is one. (Deut 6 :4). Jesus himself restated the Shema. There are not two YHWH's. If you understood the Law of agency, you would know that angels and prophets spoke as if they were YHWH. The agent speaks the words of the source(YHWH).
2 Sam 23 :2, according to my ASV reads : " The Spirit of Jehovah spake by me, And his word was upon my tongue." Is Jehovah's spirit the same or a different 'person ' to Jehovah ?
In the OT, God's spirit is more of a power/force/ thing than a person.
Many standard refernce works trace the origins of the Trinity and agree that it is post-apostolic. Even at Nicea, they did not develp a Trinity doctrine, adding "We beloieve in the Holy Spirit.". Nicea said nothing about the Spirit being a co-equal, co -eternal person.
false teaching Jesus is not another person but as teach in 1 Tim.3:16 and John 1:14 He is God the Father who came among us ( as teach in Isaiah 35) IN THE FLESH and this is a GREAT MYSTERY 1Tim.3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
The flesh is what deference the son (of man) from the Spirit ( God) Jesus is God in bodily form , he was the visible image of the invisible God and God NEVER BEEN THREE ( It's an heresy)
Can I suggerst tht you read 1 Tim 3 :16 in other, more modern versions of the Bible. I think you may find it undermines your argument.
@@gerryquinn5578 OH NO here is the original text in Geek from textus receptus and it say exactly the same thing as the kjv 1tim.3:16 καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ
Change your bible to a better translation.
@@michelhaineault6654 : With respect, we do not have "the original text in Greek", only copies of copies. The number of copies available to scholars today is far greater than was the case back at the time of the KJV. Having checked all the translations on Biblehub, only the KJV has theos./God All the rest have He who /who.
Indeed, having checked Interlinears, theos is missing in the Greek. Even the context is clearly talkig about Jesus and not God. There are countless explanations of how this verse was corripted in books and online.However, I suspect you know all this already.
@@gerryquinn5578 Textus recepus have THEOS so the other bibles you mention are manifestly not translated from textus receptus who are the trustable ones. The context is truly about the GREAT MYSTERY of God who came manifested in the flesh and this is the teaching of John1:14 and Isaiah 35 .
@@michelhaineault6654 : I appreciate you taking time to reply and stating your opinion. Most modern Bibles are based on the best up to date Greek text which is far more reliable than he one available in the 15 and 1600s.Those who have studied textual criticism understand how and why texts get corrupted. I invite you to research this verse.
The context is clearly about Jesus, It is Jesus who was manifest in the flesh; seen by angels; preached about and received up into glory.
In John 1 :14, it is the "word" that was made flesh(not God). We behold the glory of one who is the only begotten of the Father. He is begotten, unlike God who is not begotten. This idea is repeated again in verse 18 where we are told that no man has seen God AT ANY TIME, but of course, thousands saw Jesus. Verse 18 continues that it is the only begotten Son/god who has declared him/ . Again we have the contrast between one is begotten (Son or god) and one who is not begotten.
Jesus our beloved never proclaimed himself ''god'' or son of ''god''...... he is sent by 💙 God 💙 to Ben-Israel to confirm what was accomplished by 🍀Moses 🍀..... suddenly, after the era of Jesus new concepts appeared.... starting with ⚽ son of god ⚽ so that the dose was acceptable, when the cattle-humans were able to swallow the concept of (2 ), they gave them another concept of (3) ... and finally a third concept Mary mother of ''god'' a madness on all the scales of the immoral 🎮🔥falso-faux-luck ⚽🔥
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:30-31, 33, KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3, KJV)
@@denvan3143 God bless
this channel is full of anti christians
these people are not Christian
Alll forms of Christinity say Jesus was God
of they say otherwise asl what denomination teaches he isnt
God died in the person of the Son.
Thereby carrying out what he asked Abraham to do and taking responsibility of his creation. Then raised himself on the third day.
To use a pop culture reference..the Vorlon race in Babylon5.
O well, one heretic attacking another in some ancient time.
The trinitarian concept is absurd. How can Christ be at the right if ha is the father? When Stephen was being stone heaven opened & he saw the Father & Christ next to him? Since Yahweh created all things he certainly wouldn't need Satan to tempt him? Jesus constantly spoke to his father. Yahweh said this is my son whom I'm well pleased. It's all Roman, Egyptian & Greek influence totally wrong... 👹
No, the Trinity is demonstrated in the Old Testament.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The universe is not subject to your definition of what is observed. Superposition is a phenomenon in physics were a particle can be in more than one place at one time. it may seem absurd to you, but it is an observed affect. For that matter, light can be both a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and also particles, “photons“. Electromagnetic waves and particles have two entirely different natures and yet in life, we have both natures exhibited.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are imagined in your philosophy. - Shakespeare.
Forest high as the heavens are above the Earth, so are my waves in your ways and my thoughts and your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:9.
Y'all dig to rationalize one or two verses here or there yet Jesus spoke 1685 times in the new testament never said he was God. Deuteronomy says Yahweh Jesus said to Mary don't touch me I have not yet ascended to my God & your God. Stephen being stoned & full of the "Holy Spirit" looked up & saw Jesus standing next to the God the father. Over & over Jesus says I can do nothing without the father! The words I speak are not my own! David said my lord said to the Lord. Heir O Israel the Lord God is One! Read about the How Nimrod was worshipped after his death. When God the Father destroyed the temple every religion of the world split up & worshipped the same way. All of them worshipped Triune God's. The Christian concept started Plato then the Hermitic Christians, Gnostics, Greek, Romans, Egyptians etc ran with it. The Trinity is a Roman Catholic Doctrine that evolved over 4 centuries. The Holy Spirit wasn't added until the 3-finally 451 AD. Read the early history of it's origins. Read Justin Martin, Origin, Filo, Tertullian, Athenaues Creed during the council of Nicea under Constantine. Read it I'm trying to help y'all you've been duped by none other than 👹💯🙏🏼😇
Again if ya stretch one or two verses here or there? It's insanity & 👹
Does your Bible say it's me whom they have pierced or him.
The original version says him not me.
@@mikeoc217 "your bible"
yeah another anti christian exposed
Begone Satan
Excuse me, but The Paraclete is not the holy spirit, The Parakletos is another man like JESUS.
Why do you say so? From the Catholic Catechism, Titles of the Holy Spirit, 692: "When he proclaims and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit, Jesus calls him the 'Paraclete,' literally, 'he who is called to one's side,' ad-vocatus." (Note: See John 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7.)
@@PhiloofAlexandria
I don’t care what Catholics say, and I’m no Catholic, I belong to no man made religion. Jesus never promised the coming of any holy spirit, show me chapter and verse.
I'm not Catholic either. But I wonder what your argument is. Is it just the lack of anything definitive in favor? I'm sincerely interested. I don't mean to be argumentative. I've never been quite sure what to make of this question.
@@ElParacletoPodcast Acts 1:6-8
So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”
He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
John 14:26 "But the Counselor [Greek: parakletos], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you."
The Father came down from heaven and dwelt among us in the man Jesus Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
The Greek word “theotetos” in Colossians 2:9 is translated “fullness of the Godhead” in the King James Version. However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, “theotetos” means “divinity” or “divine nature.” The fact that Christ possesses “divine nature” or the quality of “divinity” does not mean that Christ is God himself. It means that all of the excelling qualities that God the Father possesses also dwell in Christ. If Jesus is God, why does Colossians 3:1 say that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God”?
You are either a Christian or not.
Trinity is fundamental to our belief..
if you dont beliebe in trinity
Then you are NOT a Christian
Peroid
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Actually it took a couple centuries to settle the "Christology" issue
@@edwardj3070 And yet as I said
there is NOT one single Christian denomination that denies the trinity
I told you to prove mr wrong and you responded with Joseph Smith the Freemason
You just negated your entire opinion in this topic.
Mormonism is Not Christianity. The founder was a Freemason, who made his own religion from "egyptian" tablets, he had no witnesses...and was a knowj Freemason
Dont play games with me.
Either prove me wrong or stop spewing lies about what Christians believe,
Period end of story!
@@edwardj3070 What denomination are you?
Can you at least answer that honestly?
@@edwardj3070 You might as well be making up your own religion at this point.
I have already stated my facts.
@@driatrogenesis who doesn't at the end of the day. No one can really figure out what Christianity means which is why debating about it is Christians' favorite pass time
Penny-wise logic, and Pound-sterling nonsense! When you go back to basics -- *_Christ, himself_* -- he NEVER said that he is God. Never! And while there are a few verses which mention all 3 in a single verse, NONE of those verses claim the three are part of a godhead. None of them!
Every verse which CAN be interpreted to mean that Christ is God, *_can also_* be interpreted to mean that Christ is NOT God. Thus, the entire basis for Christ's existence as God is ambiguous, at best. *_But worse than this,_* there are numerous examples where it is made clear that Christ is NOT God, without any ambiguity.
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A typical - classical confusion both by Tertulia and Mr.Daniel - a "better" still classical resolution by Fr J.M.Bochenski OP, logician, from famous Warsaw-Lviv School of Logic(he focuses on the meaning of "is"(or to be) in Logic of Religion,1965, NY Univ. although he does not know a lot of Bible's hermeneutics and he advises such knowledge is the starting point of any discourse! The main argument: that "Son is God" is a theological BS! See for example Mark 10:18@other Synoptics. In NT God/"theos" Gr always refers to FAther and not to Son! (in just a few instances there are translation problems like in Rom 9:5 or 1John 5:20 but it is a text from 6th cent.CE. The formula in Creed "God from God" is the sign of philosophical and logical ignorance of Church's fathers and at the same time, their opponents although the term "God-man"(and St.Augustine's metaphors) for a sinful man, Jesus from Nazareth (Mk 1:5.9) has only a poetic or metaphorical meaning and sense. Yet, a similar interpretation still idiocy exists in physics regarding so-called paradoxes like the Twin paradox in GR of A.Einstein and Schrodinger's Cat in QM. It is proof how a lie (from Satan-John 8:44, indirectly already in Rev Aristotle on evil- as the privation of good then also being/truth/one). Nothing mysterious in the term "Trinity" that is a description (B.Russell,PM/Principia Mathematica#14.02, like any theoretical term (known by reduction or deduction or analogy and the mixture of them) in all science!
Showing off you "super" non-scripturl intellect?. You sure would have wowed Jesus and the disciples.
@@priscillajervey8345 Both Jesus and St.Paul have not been educated on Bible's hermeneutics (like You- a Fool).We,gods- accord. to Jesus and St.Faustina Kowalska prophecy (1732) finally have descended from Heaven to sent you, Morons to ...Hell!
God was known to the Hebrews in scripture as being triune.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons in the Old Testament.
Moron's Nonsense. Zach speaks about angels; The Spirit of Yahweh is not Yahweh itself. Follow divine logic@@denvan3143
The problem is it's not the God the non trinitarians want.
The trinity is antichrist and antigod garbage. If you'd read the Scriptures, you'd know that.
@@Willie_Wahzoo Jeff, you have sadly been deceived. By all that is Godly seek God not human reason.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the one who is sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The truth of the Scripture Does not accommodate itself to your theology, it is simply the truth.
@denvan3143 I'm not protestant solo scripture. I'm orthodox, we have revalation and tradition.
The problem isn’t with the Trinity, the problem you have is your understanding .
The first sentence of The Gospel of John makes it very clear that Jesus is the Almighty Creator of everything that exists
This guy is not a Christian
he is more intersted in pagan philosophy
@@driatrogenesis Yep , the only reason I go to channels like this is to try to shed some light in a dark place , God bless you friend
@@jwsanders1214Sahidic coptic John 1:1. Read it.
Koine greek grammar doesn't use indefinite articles. Basing a doctrine on a language flawed in grammatical expression is quite weak.
@@maciiol2 There is a web site " Bible Hub " that will take you verse by verse through any verse of the Bible in Greek , it would behoove you to use it to check your Knowledge of Greek before you speak foolishness . Shalom
@@maciiol2 When I want to know what a particular verse like John 1:1 says in Greek I use Bible Hub , it gives an exact translation in Greek .
John 1:1 clearly says that Jesus , The Lagos is The Creator of everything that exists .
Jesus is Ton theos , the same essence as Ho theos , God Almighty
Jesus is the true eternal God, distinct from the Father.
No, he's not. And you would know that if you read the Scriptures, but you don't care enough to do that, do you?
In John 17:3 Jesus literally says the opposite of what you just said. Jesus has a God. God doesn't have a god.
@@Willie_Wahzoo Learn to read in context and John 17:3 will make more sense.
Anyway the bible calls Jesus God several times.
So God has a father? And Jesus is
God! Have you been hitting the bottle?
@@priscillajervey8345 You still seeking me out. Very nice. 😆
@@timothys4864
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. And him were all things created without him was not anything that was made. John 1:1-3
So yes, Jesus is God and he is also the son of God. The Godhead is three persons in one; there is conversation that takes place between the members of the godh ood.
Zechariah 2:6-10 describes two Persons called "Yehôvâh”. The first is the sender, the second is the the one who was sent.
In 2 Samuel 23:2 the Holy Spirit is called “Yahweh”.
Yahweh in three persons, in the Old Testament.
The problem with the trinity is a huge problem, and the problem with what you are saying, is just as huge, it is the same problem.
You xtians must stop saying that The Parakletos is the holy spirit, cause that is absurd.
John 14:26 "But the Counselor [Greek: parakletos], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you."
@@treesquirrel3722
It is also clear from the veré that JESUS is not speaking about the holy spirit, as JESUS himself was The ‘Parakletos, so Parakletos doesn’t mean holy spirit, and if JESUS is saying that the father will send another Parakletos, and Parakletos doesn’t mean hs, then JESUS could only be speaking of sending another man like him, that’s why the verse says; ALLOS PARAKLETOS, another Advocate like me.
Christianity is a lie.
The Paraclete is the Holy Spirit every time Jesus talks about it. "Parakletos" (advocate/counselor) is in the Bible 5 times. Four of them are in the same monologue where Jesus calls The Advocate "The Spirit", "The Spirit of Truth", and "the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father" (John 14:16-17, 14:26, 15:26) and says it won't come until Jesus leaves (John 16:7).
In a completely different letter, on a completely different subject matter, Jesus was called "an" advocate, not "the advocate" (1 John 2:1).
@@treesquirrel3722 Wrong again, and I explained, the only time the word holy is used is in John 14:26, and like I said, the word is not in the oldest manuscripts, it was forced in there.
Now, even, even if that word was there, it doesn’t matter, because it can be used of JESUS too, and I repeat, the verse is not saying, The Paraclete, the holy spirit, no, that’s what you are reading in English,
It would read, The Paraclete, THIS SET APART PERSON/PERSONA. You need to understand, and you need to focus, JESUS is not taking about any spirits, JESUS is talking about The Parakletos.
The word holy means set apart, JESUS was set apart by God. Jesus is The Parakletos, this spirit/persona of the truth.
No it isn't. The Parakletoe is the Holy spirit. You need to get a good study bible, commentay etc etc.