HEMA instructors fighting with the Polish saber - Lee Smith vs. Richard Marsden
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This was recorded on June 12 2016 at the end of a seminar that Richard Marsden gave on the use of the Polish saber on foot at the Blood & Iron HEMA school (Historical European Martial Arts) in Burnaby, BC, Canada.
Lee Smith (Blood & Iron) and Richard Marsden (Phoenix Society of Historical Swordsmanship) are experienced instructors and the co-founders of their respective martial arts schools. HEMA sparring has little to do with sport fencing. The weapons (shape, weight, balance) and tactics are a lot different. The focus is on martially viable techniques that would disable the opponent in historical combat with sharp blades, while trying to avoid getting hit at the same time or shortly after.
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The first-person view was recorded with a Gopro Hero3+ head camera strapped to Marsden's fencing mask.
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Whoever made this picture of Richard at the beginning, deserves a fucking award.
PS: Wish I was able to train saber sparring...
She did: facebook.com/kseniakozart
+Skallagrim how much does it cost to train at that school?
+Skallagrim Quick question, would any of the Jedi saber forms be viable for bastard swords?
Not without breaking your hand ankle, would be my guess. I dont think the Jedi forms were designed do keep a blade (or edge in that matter) in a certain direction as there is none. Also (my guess) you can swing a lightsaber a lot easier and faster. With the weight of a real sword, I am pretty sure you can easily break your ankle. Probably save to say that Ataru would never work...
Grimnir1989 I was just talking about the forms themselves, not the intended weapon or user. It should be quite easy to maintain edge alignment if you have rudimentary sword training.
This is WAY more entertaining than any choreographed fight on a movie, which makes me question what the hell Hollywood is doing. Also, Marsden is such a stylish bastard, while Lee is a no-bullshit kind of fighter ;)
Which would make it look even more entertaining :D
+Legitymacyjne Zwiastuny and finding excellent actors have training in swords
Actually, I think the general opinion is that serious fencing arts, the way people used to fight in those days, are not "flashy" enough for modern cinematography.
To be honest, one of the basic tenets of any respectable martial art is to use as little energy as possible to defeat your opponent. Preserve your strength and stamina. Do not shoot pidgeons with a cannon, basically.
Taking that into account, there is no reason to sommersault over the battlefield, constantly spinning, while holding a two-handed axe in each hand - and that is what Hollywood finds cool and amusing.
I assume that seeing two competent fencers fighting would actually be considered quite boring by today's entertainment industry standards... To some degree, realism excludes "flashiness", "coolness" and "excitement" :)
Piotr Piotrowski Dont you think though that people by now though think that all that flashy effects just look ridiculous though? I mean why cant it be a mix of both? Flashy and competent. I mean even the average movie goer has got to think that a guy in leather biker gear spinning like a beyblade look plain stupid.
Well, Hollywood makes movies with katanas which are really crappy swords.
why must bee keepers fight?
Beecause.
+Skallagrim they can
Beecause it keeps them buzzy! :D
@@ModernBladesmith no no no noooooooooooo
yes, yes, yes!
Richard fights like a swashbuckling pirate and Lee fights like a Navy Captain who's pissed that he must draw his saber one more time.
5:26 that's the moment where it hit me just how effective these guys are. Both basically statues, then struck out like vipers hitting at exactly the same time.
That "whoosh" tho. Amazing
In a real deul that moment might have mortality wounded both of them. Probably happened a lot in history.
doesnt mean shit if he had waited for his opponent or fainted him into a parry that would've gave him the point and it would've shown he was the better swordsman whoever had better timing
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@@yeeyee3513 what
I feel so dumb. Until the end of the video I thought that they were polished sabers not Polish sabers.
omg :D
hahaha
well, u have good feeling i guess ;)
Because your are stupid as fuck
Maybe they were polished Polish sabers? :P
I love that these masters are willing to let you film their demonstration and put it on youtube. And having one of them wear a helmet cam to provide the first person view is just awesome. Big thanks to Richard Marsden and Lee Smith for their contributions!
I'm writing a sword fighting scene, and this has been invaluable in helping me visualise what would actually happen in a saber fight. Thank you for this...and I WISH I could be in a place to learn how to do this. Amazing, guys!!!
6 years still no one gives a shit about you or your boring ass writing
Is been 6 years now, how’s the writing going
An animator could use this as a reference to create a realistic and not at all boring fight scene. PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
Guess what, Hellish Quart is a thing.
You are in luck, someone did!
@@D990990990 who?
@@Alissa_21 hellish quart
I am learning anamation
on my android notification it said "HEMA instructors fighting with the Poli..."
I was like oh shit they gonna fight the police
Nice lol
The downfall of the dread Lord Skullcrotch.
Skullcrotch sounds like nasty villain.
I'm not sure about who I was rooting for anymore after this comment
@@gamgam_MeruFOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR SKULLCROTCH!
"Would you wait, sir, for to dribble to subside?"
Yeah, I couldn't resist.
Olgierd von Everec???
+Andrei Alex yep
@@AlexanderDragneel No, it was Michał Wolodyjowski from "Deluge". Olgierd was a copy from one character and mixed with another from that book.
"może chcesz waść zaczekać aż siąpić przestanie"
I see you are a man of culture as well.
I've seen a few Polish Sabers fight and I find it to be a very elegant and flowing style of fighting. It really deserves to be called a martial art. I also really like those continuous fight rather than tournament style very short engagements. I hope to see more of this.
Thumbs up from Poland! : )
Hang in there and keep on doing such great stuff, man!
Dziekuje bardzo!
For the people that can't understand Richard marsden he is saying thank you loads or thank you very much
Depends on you think bardzo (how you are meant to say it) means
@@dariuszsliz1597 more "thank you very much"
The title makes it seems like they're having an argument and then decided to sort it out with fighting. What a true gentlemen
I love Marsden's graceful movements, but Lee seems like a better overall fighter. It may be just an impression, though, but he's very very quick at his initiatives.
PS: The polish saber videos are the best fencing videos on the channel, IMO.
EDIT: I think Lee would handle a real dangerous fight better, since the enemies would not have the chance and time to analyse his technique.
He is better than me, but by just a hair. We've crossed paths in, saber, single-stick, longsword, rapier and rapier and dagger. I come out ahead sometimes, but not as much as he does.
I have to say, the two of you are both incredible at what you do. But I can definitely respect that you're able to admit he's a touch better. A lot of people wouldn't be able to admit that without some kind of excuse. Cheers, man.
I did wonder if that was merely my uninformed impression. I -do- know that I would not want to face either of you with a sword in your hands. Not even if I was 2km away with a rifle and scope ;-]
really, at the top level of any competition, the difference between the best and the very very very good is often very small. either way, always love watching you guys exchange swords.
If I have to be honest, Richard has not reached a level that could be considered sufficient in Poland. He did not use too many techniques, and his opponent had no problem keeping him at a distance. I dare to affirm that he would not keep the field against the Polish passion.
You never really realise how fast & varied those attacks are until you seem them 1st Person; extremely impressive!
Always fun watching two sword experts fight.
I've come back to thus video multiple times. The throat strike at 2:39 is always astonishing how fast it happens. From a momentary pause to lethal contact in one move. Amazing.
I just thought the same. Every now and then I come back to this. Thanks not only to the fighters but to everyone who helped capture it in a way that is both engaging and clear enough that a layman can follow what happens.
What's the difference between the Polish saber and other types of saber? Does it just shout "Kurwa!" when it's drawn from its scabbard?
My book covers that. In the 17th century the Polish people had sabers fairly unique to them (and nearby neighbors) and a style that was unique to them for sure and even called out by other sources. My book delves into what we know of that lost system, which was an art entirely separate from the Italian notions which creeped into just about every other saber system.
a little more curved (but less then Tatar saber so it was usable on foot as well), slightly longer and whole specific fighting style dedicated to saber alone which was deadly and effective (let's call it cross-cut style). Also, Polish winged hussars used specific type of saber which is treated as an epitome of saber making, the perfect saber.
How different/similar is it to the Hungarian style?
are you among the best hemp's fighter with polish saber ?
Laughed so hard when read this XD
That was just so freaking satisfying to watch. It's so beautiful when these two clash. Their moves are so fluid, so entertaining to watch. Bravo, I must have watched their previous sabre duel at least 15 times already and I'm most likely going to watch this one just as many times, if not more (and I admit I'm personally more into watching longswords and sword & buckler much more than sabres or rapiers, yet this and their other sabre duel are probably my favourite HEMA sparring videos thus far).
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Mordhau my gamer
@@awildtomappeared5925 shut up gil
aWildTomAppeared mordhau has a severe lack of sabres
I just saw Lee win a 2 v 1 by far, seeing richard fight evenly with him is a testament to his skill
I just love Richard's stance. It's almost like he's just constantly taunting his opponent.
This reminds me so much of what my brother and friends would do when we were teenagers with wooden swords. To get the sparring going, we would typically begin that back and fourth, and then move outside that to attempt to land a strike. We always had rules about strikes. If you got hit in a limb, you couldn't use it. If you got hit in the torso or hip, you were done. No head blows allowed. We had no safety gear whatsoever. Not sure who that guy is in the red, but he moves like some kind of pirate. Love that!
...then the Winged Hussars arrived.
Yes! Thank you. I literally laughed out loud when I pictured 20k hussars riding through the room and trampling everyone. Haha
Coming down the mountain side
@@lav1106 COMING DOWN THEY TURNED THE TIDE!
Sabaton one hundred
My last name is polish so I decided to investigate my historical heritage a little bit and, dude, polish warfare hostory is super cool!!
That hop back and slash maneuver at 1:42 was almost hollywood. Much respect to both of these guys.
Not in any text book
After all these years this is still the best sword fight that I've ever watched!
From watching this video I'm guessing a real duel back in the day must have been bad for both dudes.
Idk if back in the day, people fought that well. Most of fighters weren't professionnal. The both guys are master in sword fight, so...
@@jean-pierrepolnareff7334 you're probably right. There's few people now who are proficient with modern weapons. Probably had the same portion of skilled practitioners back then.
Also, fights like this rarely took place without armor. You'd have to be a fool.
@@w12ath040211 In places like the US, there are quite a few good professional shooters out there.
@@user-ld4qt6ci7b Yes, but learning how to fight with a sword is way harder than shooting.
I found this a lot more intense than any movie fight scene. Specifically I was impressed by how Lee's sword seems to never go anywhere. Richards definitely has a different style. This is like watching a pirate (Richard) fight a noble (Lee). Just lovely. Have fun, stay safe!
Some longsword sparring would be awesome!
Maybe next year!
Wow watching youtube while your general goes around helping settlements what a committed minuteman
Or sword shield sparring!
wait... prestons not marking a settlement on my map IMPOSTER
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Kończ waść, wstydu oszczędź!
Greetings from Poland ;)
waść machasz jak cepem
Ależ piękna ta nasza polszczyzna, panowie 👏👏👏
@@pttzielsky3670 Piękna.
@@d4n737 zaiste
Bardzo piękna
its impressive how they use the recoil of the blade to their advantage without losing control of such a thin blade. respect
Stealing momentum, using the impact of the opponent's swords to power your own cut, is a pretty useful skill to gain with just about any weapon.
If only Mordhau players displayed this level of elegance and nobility during duels.
They throwing rocks at me 😭
As a technical note on the way this was filmed, I just want to say thank you for filming this at 60 fps. The extra frames really helps see some of the really fast movements that would otherwise just be a blur at 30 frames per second.
I've been looking at a lot of sword fighting videos and maybe it is due to the age of the videos, but 60fps is surprisingly rare for a domain where it would be very useful.
There needs to be more of this available to view. Far more interesting and exciting than what gets broadcast these days.
Lee Smith seems to be unstoppable. I love how he seems to make minimum effort and achieving great results!
Before I even watch the fight, I'm giving Richard one point for that bad ass portrait.
I'm still mad there are no HEMA studios ANYWHERE in Indiana. Sabers look more and more fun.
If you're near the Ohio side, I know of a couple near Dayton/Englewood
Im disappointed by the lack of come at me bro poses this time.
The come at me bro its in the other vid the one with 22M right where is it i searched the video to see the come at me bro
i don't have any type of educated opinion when it comes to actual sword fighting. but judging by this footage getting into a real sword fight in the past meant that you would do so knowing you'd likely get injured regardless of the outcome as opposed to cinematic sword fights where victorious fighters usually come out on top unscathed.
it might be a little far fetched, but this sparring actually reminded me of a educational video (invovling sparring with only a marker) on how to defend as an umarmed individual against a knife wielder, which basically boiled down to "run. if that's not an option, understand that you WILL get cut -", it went on after that, but i suppose my point got across.
A bog part of HEMA is hit and not be hit. And it's always a challenge!
they are both balanced builds, but one has invested more in evasion skill, while the other increased his critical hit chance.
350 years ago these guys would have been chads.
They are right now
Man, this is so impressive! Thanks for this amazing vid! This video really gives us something to aim for. I feel like Mr. Smith excels at being strategic and surprising and Mr. Marsden at being fast and responsive. Thanks for showing us how far one can go, and how experience makes a man with a saber both frightening and efficient.
Surprising to see realistic combat can also look this great on camera. This pretty much proves that shows don't have to make their fights so silly and over-the-top to make them look cool!
Also, this last bunch of videos can single-handedly disprove most misconceptions and popular tropes that people often believe actually apply in real melee combat.
From 2:30 to 2:40 Is worth watching a dozen times in my opinion, just to understand how quickly a swordfight could turn fatal.
I love the part(7:05) when the music changed into more dramatic music when they fight, and the opponent just did a really aesthetic threat pose there(7:07)
Watching pros in their skill out matches any choreographed movie scene. Thank you!
Fencing is, in my opinion, the most fun I've ever had playing a sport. I fence épée, and I've never felt as focused and alive as when I'm fencing.
This is the video that got me into HEMA four years ago (been working all of the forms of rapier), and my first saber came today!
I just cannot grow tired of watching this sparring, i think i watched like 20 times already.
I love your content Skallagrim, youre one of the most inteligent people iver ever seen on youtube and ever, keep making these videos for us and never change, because youtube without you would be really emptier :) Thank you for making this channel and sharing this content with us. :)
Man i wish there was a game where fighting looks as epic as it does here :(
Real life my brother
kingdome come deliverance comes pretty close
MORDHAU my dude. Mordhau
2020. Hellish Quart. It looks amazing as every other fencing video
Watching videos of these two facing off is always entertaining. I love how it can go from cautious to aggressive so quickly, another fantastic video. Quite jealous that you're close enough to attend these seminars lol.
Two instructors from any historical martial arts school is a sight to see.
Man Richard Marsden is the coolest.
Also I'm amazed by the fact that that camera is still intact.
This was amazing! Please put more duel videos like this up in the future. :) Thoroughly enjoyed it, and it was something a bit different. Thanks!
That's a fancy crotch protector thing
Keeps me safe. Amuses you-tube.
Richard Marsden Fair enough
A Cod Piece.
The codpiece of unholy manhood protection.
It's made from the skull of a fallen enemy
Omg! I'm so used to vikinger sword, that szabla is lightning quick! Amazing saber use 😍🏴☠️🇺🇸
I don't understand why movies don't have fights like this, it's way more dramatic and fun to watch
@Get Ass Good point but I wasn't saying it had to be at this skill level, obviously it would be hard to find actors with skill like this, but even so the swordfighting in most fantasy movies could be much better than it currently is if the producers actually out some thought into the fight scenes
@Get Ass I'm not saying movies can be better than this, I'm saying that overrall fantasy fights could be better, I don't mean better than this duel, just better than the standard for fantasy fights. the duels in fantasy should be more like this, but I get what you mean too.
I know absolutely nothing about fencing or swords, but I do enjoy the clips on this channel a lot.
Saber fights are the most action-packed though, joy to watch
I honestly love this. It's so flowy and beautiful.
I’ve never been in a trained sword fight before, npbut I have done martial arts combat. Let me tell you, everything is in slow motion during the fight. It’s a really awesome feeling, but you only realize that after the fight.
You feel it in a blurry slow motion because your pumped on adrenaline the human body is a weird thing
@@sebby324 a fantastic weird thing!
@@sebby324 I guess that means increased reflexes which makes everything slower.
Man, This is really impressive. I'm super glad i found this channel. I have really been enjoying all the videos.
i love how graceful saber sparring looks.
*EVERYBODY GANGSTA UNTIL SOMEONE STARTS CONTROLLING THEIR BREATH*
👺
*PLUCK OVERDURIVUUU!!*
**gurenge intensifies**
*Water breathing* Fo--- WAIT I CANT BREATH UNDERWATER, IM DROWNING.
Goddamn it there's always a Jojo reference.
I really like the idea of doing HEMA I already take jiu jitsu lessons and kick boxing lessons but I think sword fighting would be a cool addition
I am going to look for places near me
now this is awesome. i'd love to try HEMA one day
The feints in this video are really well done. I can hardly tell they changed the angle on their strike before the slowmo replay.
I love the simultaneous high/low hits they get on each other. Taking advantage of their different body types.
This was so amazing. Just like that last saber spar vid you posted ages ago. I would love to see more.
can you imagine if the background music was being played live as they sparred?
The skull crotch protector, is that just to psych your opponent out so you can finish him rightly with your pommel ?
Clearly it's so that you can perform a pelvic thrust finisher when they're staggered.
This music gives it a very good sense of tension, on top of the tension inherent in watching two individuals duel it out.
probably the best exhibition of polish saber style fighting i've ever seen, deceptively deadly and well executed... bravo... i'm getting the book because i see the understanding, and mastery of, and respect for, the very subject and am doubly impressed that the author and instructor isn't even of polish descent...
Kończ waść, wstydu oszczędź!
Machasz waść jak cepem, nie pozwalam!
2prize
u jelly? polan stronk!
hahahaha Tak to sobie Pan możesz trawę kosić
What does it all mean dammit?!
It's too badass of a talk for you puny englishmen/americans/whatever to understand.
The sound is incredible, the twang of the clashing metal is awesome!
Skall could you do a video on blade maintenance? Like how to sharpen them properly and polish/clean them etc.
Good idea.
I think he has already and not too long ago, at least for the sharpening I think.
yes please! I have a growing collection of swords, axes and polearms that I train and spar with and I would like to make sure I am taking care of them properly
He already did one
He did for both sharpening and blade maintenance.
The fact Marsden is my History teacher now is so awesome.
Hard to beliefe that we will reach the extend of skill of the great masters from the past ever again. Their whole life consisted of nothing but training and nowadays thats just not possible anymore. Still amazing to see these trained fighters going at each others. Their reflexes are super fast and you really can see how their movements are a result of countless of hours of training and sparring.
I always admire polish saber fighting as a logical way to do the classic, Parry Fest of cinematic sword fighting. always enchanting to watch.
Two friends forever locked in an epic struggle to make references to memes while dueling.
I had to fight my father with sabers to win my first sword I treasure that thing and I only won on one wrist strike he's got 20 years on me but he's so bloody fast
Dude you just earned a Subscriber i cant believe theres more of this! im gonna be watching all of em binge watching tonight babyyy!
This is for sure harder than it looks. Good moves.
Started looking into this awesome technique ever since I fought Olgierd von Everec.
That was fascinating to watch, thanks for posting it :)
I find sabre fencing the most theatrical of historical meele combat forms.
One of my fav vids on youtube. Thanks man.
As someone who has no prior knowledge of this style, this is what I observed: polish fencing involves a rotational style of striking and parrying stemming from frequently changing stances. Each strike is fluidly administered and then immediately rotated into a parry in a single movement. Stances also must be positioned to defend against and penetrate through each other and two fencers rarely assume the same stance. Each strike has its own resting point in which it returns the sword's position to where the strike ends. In terms of weight distribution, weight appears to be directed forwards to add distance to strikes yet easily retreat from attacks.
i know this guy is great and all, but anyone with a skull for a croch protector i can't quite take seriously xD
And that's the trick...
That's ok. So long as you are amused and entertained, we've done our job! Skull piece and all.
yea it wasa cool fight
Or it is extremely intimidating
and I can tell you I would be terrified if I had to go up against any of these two
This and the last first person sparring video you posted with these gentlemen are pretty much objectively the best saber sparring videos on RUclips.
how long until this one gets a million plus views? definitely deserves it!
I'd rather watch paint dry!
Took 3 years, but there you go
I love your uploads of saber fights
truely amazing swordsmanship from both. wish i could have been there in person!
Love polish sabers, I own a nice one. :)
Dobrze chłopaki walczą. Widać że mają o tym pojęcie.💪👍
Well, I think that polish president should give the Order of the White Eagle to Richard already. Who's with me?
Nah, he's too busy being useless and doing what the ex-prime minister is telling him to.
All polish presidents were useless so far...
Kamil Szadkowski Deeeeeeetails.
TheLastShogun heh
Kamil Szadkowski Also, I'd call one of them at least somewhat useful. Thing is, he got killed by a titanium birch halfway through his cadency.
Me and the boys when we find long sticks on the playground
I really enjoy watching these people fighting. It's exciting. It would be awesome if you uploaded some more fights.