PlayStation "Fans" are Actually Defending Always Online DRM in Gran Turismo 7!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Quick bit of positive news: Sony did rectify the situation regarding the internal clock/cmos battery bricking both the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 with a firmware update that prevents that from happening, ensuring that both consoles will be preserved for future generations. This is proof if any was necessary that vocal protest of anticustomer practices works and that we should absolutely keep pressuring sony to remove its artificially imposed online requirements from Gran Turismo 7!
How are people actually defending Sony for forcing internet requirements into GT7? If you have any theories as to why PlayStation fanboys and Sony ponies are taking the time out of the their day to argue in defense of online requirements that are only going to kill the game in the end, please let us know in the comments!
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"Fortunately, we have a product for people that aren't able to get some form of connectivity. It's called Gran Turismo 1-6"
Thank goodness for them.
bruh
Guess Don Mattrick got a job at Polyphony Digital.
Any defense of a reqired online connection for most of the game, and Jim Ryan's mindset regarding old games really puzzled me.
Having talked to some of the defenders, it felt like they don't even care if anyone couldn't play their favorite games anymore.
Jim Ryan definitely doesn't care about videogames, at least not any more than he needs to in order to extract money from them! As for the "hardcore playstation gamers", I don't think they even know what they think and are more than happy to let Sony do all the thinking for them!
Because they don't care about the games or the people who play them. All they care about is their favorite corporation.
@@krocialblack ironically, their favorite corporation couldn’t care less about them!
Quick bit of positive news: Sony did rectify the situation regarding the internal clock/cmos battery bricking both the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 with a firmware update that prevents that from happening, ensuring that both consoles will be preserved for future generations. This is proof if any was necessary that vocal protest of anti-customer practices works and that we should absolutely keep pressuring Sony to remove its artificially imposed online requirements from Gran Turismo 7!
I own a lot of PS4 physical media. So if I own a physical PS4 game do I need to download a PS5 version or does it install from the PS4 disc?
They tried to close down the server on ps vita and PS3 they were going to do that to PS4 as well
Safe to say Jim Ryan was the one trying to get all of that to pass
As a fan of the series, it is quite sad to see these kind of things happening to games now. It's also very annoying to deal with those requirements if your connection is fluctuating every second. Gran turismo is not gran turismo without its career mode and other features. When they pull the plug on the servers it will disappear into oblivion. What if gt7 was a good game? What would be the point of playing it when you know you can't play it anymore? Gt sport was my least favorite and it made me dislike even more with the online saving crap. Imagine doing a 24hr endurance and your internet goes off mid race. Just make the save data for internal storage! It's that simple.
Exactly! They could have easily made two separate saves (one offline on local storage for the career mode, one online on cloud storage for the multiplayer mode), so choosing to make everything dependent upon the internet is at best poor design and at worst (and more likely considering Jim Ryan's power at the company) a deliberate choice of built-in obsolescence meant to pressure players to buy the game's eventual sequel.
In 2022, I can still play my 25 year old Gran Turismo 1 on the PS1.
In 2047, I can't play my 25 year old Gran Turismo 7 on the PS5.
If you're born too late to be a part of an older generation, and want to play old games, but not too old, then that's too bad. "Come back in -25 years and you can play the game!" - Polyphony Digital, 2047
This is modern gaming post-2019 in a nutshell. It's a damn shame that Sony is doing this and especially more so when fans are unironically defending bad business pratices. To be honest, I'm glad I've started playing older pre-2015 games as of late since too many games to count since 2020 have been nearly over glorifed broken live services.
A lot of games since even the beginning of the prior gen were hamstrung by these practices, but that’s not to say there aren’t exceptions. Check out GOG to find a lot of games that aren’t hamstrung by drm. Also, for games that are no longer being made, there’s no harm in finding cracked versions of games with drm in them!
So when you pay full price for games that are locked behind a server, and if that game eventually gets shut down due to unforseen circumstances, they are ok with that? Its honestly a disgusting way of thinking about things. People like that are the reason we are going to see Online only DRM games be pushed even more aggressively going forward. 😒
The whole "who dont have internet these days?" excuse dont work here. Its about preservation and being able to play these games whenever u want to. Regardless of online or off. I am so f*cking sick of this bullsh*t!!!
Online only games are fine, whatever.. but NOT FOR FULLY PRICED GAMES! GT should just go free to play if they want to do this crap going forward.
Where's the lie?
@@dankswank9088 oh there is none here. Its all fact.🤷♂️
@@coreymckee4844 damn straight
Excellent video once again, Dank Swank. I voiced my concern in your last video. I voiced my concern on GTPlanet and even signed some petition on changedotorg knowing it wouldn't do anything. Hell I even complained before GT Sport released and I complained when NFS 2015 came out with it too. It's just about the most annoying thing to implement in a game for me, more so than MTX. And unlike Sony/PD, at least EA/Ghost Games made sure their next game (Payback) wouldn't require an always online connection; they even announced it right before they were about to officially announce the next game knowing full well of the backlash of NFS 2015.
These days I'm no longer a fan of Sony like I once was and I think it's mostly because of the current leadership. Censored Japanese games, price hike, and mixed messaging on what will appear on PC. I'm still a fan of their games and GT has always been at the top of all of Sony's franchises for me, which is why it hurts more with this DRM nonsense.
Why not create a petition against the DRM? And create a online bombardment of Anti DRM campaigns.
While that would be a good start, the successful enactment of a boycott would be far more likely to succeed in forcing Sony to disable the DRM
Was looking forward to the game but now im not buying it ever. I'll stick to GT 4 on my ps2
"Oh boo hoo Who doesn't have internet These days"
Poor people living in Brazil, Africa, Philippines, and India: Bruh wtf-
Pony fans defending "you will own nothing and you will be happy" are the joke of modern society.
Could you imagine if people were defending Xbox at E3 2013 saying "just play on 360 if you hate the future so much"?
@@dankswank9088 yeah. no wonder they compare them to the apple users.
People who constantly defend buying these shit games from these companies is complete irony
I wouldn’t be surprised if these are the same people that wouldn’t care if Sony closed the PS3 & Vita stores.
They almost certainly are: "It's not an issue for me, so who cares about you?" - same energy. If you made a venn diagram with people ok with the PS3 store shutdown in yellow and people ok with always online drm in GT7 in blue, you'd probably have a single green circle!
Gotta love that statement from Jim Ryan is now starting to backfire hard. LOL The Xbox has been backhanding Sony on backwards compatibility and game preservation so hard, that now the "we believe in generations" company are forced to implement PS1, PS2 and PS3 backwards compatibility to the PS5. AND they announced they will be continuing production on their PS4s to meet demand. THEIR LAST GEN CONSOLE. You gotta love it.
Proof that direct competition between companies is always a good thing for customers
@@dankswank9088 Can we get a follow video of this situation? Now the very same fanboys defending this are now raging about it. Some of them aren't even putting blame on Sony. "It's all Kaz and Polyphones fault for making Sony look bad."
@@krocialblack working on it
I bet these "fans" don't even play the gran turismo franchise. They're just supporting anything by sony.
We wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them fit that description
with what happened this week.
the fucking DRM in GT7 is disgusting.
That it is, and always was
What happens when Sony closed down the server 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣you won't be able to play the game anymore 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣and you paid £70 for the game
We find it pretty depressing, personally
Ever since the PS5 came out Sony have been lying alot
1. That fiasco with Miles Morales where they said this is a PS5 exclusive then they backtracked and said no it will be released on PS4 aswell I believe Jim Ryan said we believe in generations making games on PS4 would hold back the PS5 versions. To be fair he may have a point but given how much of a pain in the ass the PS5 is to get your better off putting them on PS4 aswell so that way Sony can have a larger player base and everyone will be able to play your games
2. Spider-Man PS5 remaster you can't transfer your PS4 saves it took Insomniac to correct them saying yes you can transfer your saves
3. Horizon Forbidden West free upgrade programme we did get what we wanted in the end but it does make me wonder if we didn't speak up we would have got screwed out of it
There is probably more lies Sony have said these are the three I can think of from the top of my head
Jim Sterling describes 2020 as “liars year” because of the fact it was a new console generation and publishers and executives alike tend to lie a lot during the year a new console generation is announced. And now, in 2021, we see all the chickens coming to roost.
@@dankswank9088 Personally I have no problem with Miles Morales being available to PS4 owners. I also don't believe it's massively holding back the PS5. PS5 owners still get an enhanced version of the game. I think that Sony ( and every other electronics manufacturer ) were well aware of the chip shortages in advance. Cross gen had to be done because otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money from the low next gen sales. The attempted £70 per game charge also points to this. Essentially by charging that much they are taking the equivalent of 1.5 sales for every copy of a game sold. Got to hit those sales targets some how
@@robsmall6466 we don’t have a problem with games being cross-gen. In fact, we made a video about the 8 things we don’t want in the next Forza Motorsport and we explicitly point out how we don’t want it to be next-gen exclusive!
@@dankswank9088 That's ok. My reply was to the conversation in general. It's great to be able to obtain and afford the latest consoles but why should others who are not as fortunate be left behind? Just so people can justify their purchases? They will get the best version ( outside of if the game is either an arcade port or has a PC version available ). Chances are no matter what certain developers say the game also started life on previous gen hardware ( wouldn't be surprised if this were the case with GT 7. I know they have said the opposite but still. Same with Ratchet and Clank. I think it was Travellers Tales who went on record to say it was a good game but nothing technically that couldn't be done on PS4 outside of quicker loading ). There isn't going to be a quantum leap between previous and current gen but I'm sure we will see exclusives that everyone is happy with eventually
Yeah I guess I'll skip buying a ps5 and get a used ps4 copy(maybe later a used ps5 with used ps5 copy). But not sure I honestly hope forza finally steps up their game and then I'll just play that.
Looks like Forza Motorsport 8 is following suit!
Single player career mode will require a constant internet connection.
Yep, I can totally vouch for what you are saying as I have lived in remote places and city folk can’t understand the reality of the situation. I won’t be buying GT7 unless the single player mode and arcade mode is made available to play offline forever more.
I didn't know this was a requirement until I read the servers went down and bricked the game. This rules it out for me. This game is $125 dollars or $95USD standard edition in my country, its always online and MTX laden. The hubris of Sony is really off putting, I might skip this PS gen altogether.
We can’t blame you
Third world country comment made me chuckle.
I remember when xbox one and EA came out with DRM. They got crushed. Now that pony king is doing it they are ok with it. I bet sony has major investments in ISP's in United States. In some form or fashion
We wouldn't be surprised, though we would be more suspicious of Microsoft pulling a move like that
I want in Gran Turismo 7 to add all the cars that appear in Gran Turismo Sport, which are 338 cars, plus these 50 cars, in total 388 cars:
Abarth Grande Punto '09 (2009)
Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale '67 (1967)
Aston Martin AMR1 '89 (1989)
Aston Martin DB4 GT Zagato '62 (1962)
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe '00 (2000)
Aston Martin DBS V12 '08 (2008)
Audi e-tron GT '21 (2021)
Audi S1 '15 (2015)
BMW 328 Roadster '36 (1936)
BMW 507 '57 (1957)
BMW M6 Coupe (F13) '13 (2013)
BMW Z3 Roadster '96 (1996)
BMW Z4 sDrive35is '11 (2011)
Bugatti Chiron '16 (2016)
Bugatti EB110 GT '91 (1991)
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe '11 (2011)
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 '70 (1970)
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C8) '20 (2020)
Ferrari 488 GTB '15 (2015)
Ferrari 575M Maranello '02 (2002)
Ferrari 812 Superfast '17 (2017)
Ferrari F355 Berlinetta '94 (1994)
Ferrari F8 Tributo '19 (2019)
Ferrari SF90 Stradale '19 (2019)
Ferrari Testarossa '84 (1984)
Gumpert Apollo Sport '10 (2010)
Hyundai Veloster '12 (2012)
Jaguar XJ220 '92 (1992)
Lamborghini Centenario LP770-4 '16 (2016)
Lexus LFA '10 (2010)
Maserati MC12 '04 (2004)
Maserati MC20 '20 (2020)
McLaren 570S Coupe '15 (2015)
McLaren 720S Coupe '17 (2017)
McLaren Artura '21 (2021)
McLaren P1 '13 (2013)
McLaren Senna '18 (2018)
Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupe '54 (1954)
Mitsubishi ECLIPSE GT '95 (1995)
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 '02 (2002)
Pontiac Fiero '84 (1984)
Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe '04 (2004)
Porsche 550 Spyder '54 (1954)
Porsche 911 Carrera (997) '05 (2005)
Porsche 911 Turbo (3.6) '94 (1994)
Porsche 918 Spyder '15 (2015)
Porsche 959 '86 (1986)
Porsche 9FF GT9-R '09 (2009)
Porsche Cayman S '08 (2008)
Volkswagen Jetta III '95 (1995)
Note: The Gumpert Apollo Sport '10 (2010) has a carbon spoiler, please modify the Gumpert Apollo Sport '10 (2010) via computers and replace that carbon spoiler with the original spoiler that opens and closes automatically.
This and the removal of online requirements
I mean, do you want them to remove the online requirements for Gran Turismo 7?
@@FrankHernandez-fhc that’s ... kinda what the video was about
By the way, I also want you to add these 10 more cars to GT7:
Abarth 124 Spider '17 (2017)
Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde '11 (2011)
Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '86 (1986)
Audi R8 V10 plus '16 (2016)
BMW 850CSi '95 (1995)
BMW i8 '15 (2015)
BMW M1 '81 (1981)
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat '15 (2015)
Dodge Charger 440 R/T '70 (1970)
Ferrari 599 GTO '10 (2010)
It's not just the Playstation fanboys who do this. Thanks to Ubisoft and The Crew, everyone is talking about "always online" again recently. And what you always hear when you speak out against such practices is: that's just the way it is. There's nothing you can do about it." Or my personal favourite. "Always Online is a good thing. It helps against cheaters." or "Everyone has internet anyway. What's the problem?" or "I only play online anyway." or "How long do you want to play a game? If old games are switched off that nobody plays anymore anyway, it doesn't matter"...
7:01, yeah, as if nobody is emulating any GT game at all nowadays.
4:22 based
Are there versions without online on now, 2 years later? really would like to play that game.
It's still online only 🙃
If it's any consolation, I'm not happy about it either.
It like playing mario kart and always connected to the internet
This is neat
Gt 7 for the fans 🤣🤣🤣😭
If only